The dates for the transfer of the lead Yasenya-M to the fleet have been postponed

Transfer time the fleet the head "Ash-M" was moved again. The multipurpose nuclear submarine "Kazan" of project 885M will be handed over to the customer in May-June this year.

It is reported TASS with reference to a source in the DIC.

According to the source, before the transfer, it is planned to make another checkout to the sea, after which all units and mechanisms will be revised. Then the submarine will be included in the Russian Navy. At the same time, he specified that the Kazan nuclear submarine had completed the program of launches of the Kalibr and Onyx cruise missiles, and no other launches were planned.

The transfer of "Kazan" to the fleet is expected in May-June this year

- said the source.

Earlier, a number of sources in the Ministry of Defense and in the OPK reported that the Kazan submarine had passed all the necessary tests and would be handed over to the fleet in the first quarter of this year, and the head of the USC, Alexei Rakhmanov, promised to hand over the submarine to the customer at the end of February.

Initially, the submarine was supposed to join the Navy by the end of 2019, but many problems and shortcomings were revealed during the tests, after which the Kazan was sent to Sevmash for revision. After eliminating the shortcomings, the submarine continued to undergo protracted tests, which ended only at the end of December 2020.

The Kazan nuclear submarine, the first multipurpose nuclear submarine of the improved project 885M (Yasen-M), was launched on March 31, 2017. Compared with the project "885" Ash ", the new submarine received many improvements and new systems that were not used on submarines earlier. Submarines of the" Yasen-M "project have a displacement of 13800 tons, immersion depth - 520 meters, crew - 64 people, autonomy - 100 days, submerged speed - 31 knots In service are mines, torpedoes 533 mm, cruise missiles "Caliber" and "Onyx", possibly - "hypersonic" Zircon ", since the nuclear submarine" Severodvinsk "of the" Ash "project is involved in the test program of this hypersonic missile ".

Comments

[Victor_B]

The dates for the transfer of the lead "Ash-M" to the fleet have been postponed again.

The key word is HEADShip!

How many years have Gerald Ford mattresses been finished?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Victor_B

HEAD

Wow, I read it - the cephalopod.

The dates for the transfer of the lead Yasenya-M to the fleet have been postponed

Never was this, and here again.

[Victor_B]

HEAD

Blyin!
Olepyatka!

[Artyom Karagodin]

But funny! So it was not in vain that they were confused))))

[Serg65]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Never was this, and here again.

Oh, in vain the Union was destroyed! According to Soviet laws, this Kazan would have been in the ranks for a long time and do not care what it doesn’t work there, it doesn’t shoot there ... we will endure hardships and hardships !!!!

[Artyom Karagodin]

Quote: Serg65

According to Soviet laws, this Kazan would have been in the ranks long ago and don't care what it doesn’t work there, why doesn’t shoot there

I think the USSR would have smelled of organizational conclusions, or even direct landings in this case. At least it could smell.

Quote: Serg65

Oh, in vain the Union was destroyed!

Only Bykov and Chubais (collective) argue with this.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

I think the USSR would have smelled of organizational conclusions, or even direct landings in this case. At least it could smell.

In the USSR, the "Udaloy" bpk was handed over without air defense systems. Those were the times! A ship with "temporary" radars and no air defense systems at all! And in combat service in the Mediterranean. This is about whining about the long surrender of "Kazan". The commies didn’t bother about fine-tuning the ships at all, there was a tradition to push the unavailable ship to the navy for the next party meeting.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

In the USSR, the "Udaloy" bpk was handed over without air defense systems. Those were the times!

You can also recall the lead SSBN pr. 941, which was handed over to the Navy a year before its SLBMs were adopted.
And how merrily they passed the Leningrad LD under Joseph Vissarionovich ...
The ship went to GOSy in the fall of 1936:

... it turned out that in full speed mode, the stern went under the water below the deck level (with a differential at the stern up to 1,5 m), and the nose bulged dangerously, which created an emergency and did not allow the weapons systems to operate effectively. In the middle stroke mode, the leader did not obey the steering wheel well, and at low moves he did not obey at all.
After the installation of artillery of the main caliber, control firing was carried out on one side. Tests showed that the hull turned out to be too weak, and so much so that it was impossible to operate all the artillery at the same time. Dangerous stresses that occurred in the area where the forecastle and the hull docked created a risk of the ship breaking in half if these stresses dynamically increased, caused, for example, by a mine detonation, a shell hit, or even a strong storm. The need for reinforcement of the corps was revealed. In addition, the stability of the ship was only slightly higher than critical, and the buoyancy margin was so small that any damage to the underwater part could lead to disaster.

© P.I. Kachur. Leaders like "Leningrad"
So what? But nothing: on December 5, 1936, the ship was accepted by the fleet - and immediately sent back to the plant, where it stood at the outfitting wall until July 1938.

[Serg65]

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

I think the USSR would have smelled of organizational conclusions, or even direct landings in this case

Come on? There was a smell of bonuses, and the commanders of unfinished ships were receiving organizational conclusions! A vivid example for you BOD 1155 .... for the absence of air defense systems on the first three ships, who was put?

[Grits]

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

I think the USSR would have smelled of organizational conclusions, or even direct landings in this case. At least it could smell.

Do not tell me ... I am sure that ships with imperfections were sent to the Navy in the USSR. I myself was a witness to this. While repairing one of the BDRM ships in the 90s (which, we note, went on a combat watch many times), we could not tune the electrical part of one very serious system in any way. We are faced with the fact that it is absolutely impossible to do this. After a long search, they still found the reason. It was banal and related to the structural part of the ship. Rather, not finished work on the elimination of hull work. As a result, the ship, when launching missiles in a full salvo, could simply go into the ground or not stay in the firing corridor with all the consequences. It's good that he didn't have to fight ...

[Artyom Karagodin]

Thank you and everyone else who objected for the clarifications. I didn't know these things. This means that the current "effective" teachers did have very good teachers.

[Artyom Karagodin]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Never was this, and here again.

Yes, this phrase of the late Viktor Stepanovich is no less brilliant than his more famous "they wanted the best, it turned out, as always."

But seriously, two thoughts arise about this. One is about the terrible mess in shipbuilding, the other is about the fact that, perhaps, it is not bad that the fleet rests and does not want to take the unfinished submarine into operation. Look, "Gorshkov" was tortured for so long. But all the experts unanimously say that it is not in vain.

But it's still a shame that we do it this way!

[Serg65]

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

terrible mess in shipbuilding,

My dear Artem, in order to build the same Gorshkov, you need to have at least another 300 subcontractor plants and shipbuilders in this long chain are the last!

[petrol cutter]

"My dear Artem, in order to build the same Gorshkov, you need to have at least another 300 factories of subcontractors and shipbuilders in this long chain are the last!"
Perhaps I will join this common opinion.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Victor_B

How many years have Gerald Ford mattresses been finished?

So in the middle of 2017 we finished

[orionvitt]

Quote: Victor_B

How many years have Gerald Ford mattresses been finished?

But he has long been listed in the fleet. They have a different system. They lower the ship, introduce it into the fleet, everything is done, you can report and receive bonuses. And then they already begin to test and finish, officially it is already considered a combat unit. In Russia, the military will never accept a ship with problems and has not passed the test.

[Mavrikiy]

The transfer of "Kazan" to the fleet is expected in May-June this year

It's a pity, of course, but June is also not far away ... Since 2019 it has been dragging on, so what to do. To plan? And the subcontractors are capitalists, they have "money in the morning - chairs in the evening"

[WHAT IS]

Better to finish it calmly, not to send it raw to the seas.

[Gardamir]

Better to finalize quietly

Maybe just learn to plan better? ..

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Gardamir

Maybe just learn to plan better? ..

And who are the judges? .. Do not understand who is from the mountain.

[Serg65]

Quote: Gardamir

Maybe just learn to plan better? ..

Can you plan your brains out?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Gardamir

Maybe just learn to plan better? ..

And not tryndet about the timing in advance.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Gardamir

Maybe just learn to plan better? ..

Our shipbuilding has a funny tradition of avoiding serial production by all means. Ideally, there should be no two identical ships. Each project is constantly being redone and modified, hence the new technical and other risks. Now "Kazan" will finish, and immediately new Wishlist will appear, which will try to squeeze into the next submarines.
How to plan something in such conditions - I can hardly imagine)

[petrol cutter]

"Our shipbuilding has a funny tradition - to avoid serial production by all means. Ideally, so that there are no two identical ships. Each project is constantly being reworked and modified, hence - new technical and other risks. Now" Kazan "will be finished, and immediately new wishes will appear, who will try to squeeze into the next submarines.
How to plan something in such conditions - I can hardly imagine "
Let me kiss you, my dear man!
A similar picture is on the surface ships.
True, this is not so much a problem of the shipbuilding industry as such, but of the customer. Who doesn't know what he wants.
Although, I will not lie. Our ... workers from the supply of the plant are also very good at sabotaging work. Otherwise, sorry, I can't name it.
And after all, what is typical for them does not happen for this.
And I am "loved" every day in all the cracks ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Kalmar

Our shipbuilding has a funny tradition of avoiding serial production at all costs. Ideally, there should be no two identical ships.

There is also a second long-standing tradition - to redo the project already during construction. Melnikov's "Potemkin" describes well the torment of the designer and the plant because of this "improvement".

[Kalmar]

Quote: Alexey RA

There is also a second long-standing tradition - to redo the project already during construction.

Therefore, it is extremely important to increase the rate of production. When a ship takes 7-8 years to build, the customer always comes up with something. You can't give him (the customer) so much time to think)

[ramzay21]

Americans have a good rule of thumb. The customer cannot make changes to the ship from the start of construction. It would be nice to accept it for us too.

[Alien From]

Few people know how hard this project is born.

[Serg65]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And the subcontractors are capitalists, they have "money in the morning - chairs in the evening"

And the Soviet subcontractors ... when do they have chairs?
Nothing has changed in the Navy over the past 60 years! Only the fleet stopped accepting unfinished ships ...

[Mountain shooter]

Delayed the transfer ... Well, there is not long to wait. Apparently, a great degree of novelty. And this is always fraught with unforeseen delays ... The main thing is to walk well. And she shot accurately ...

[Ros 56]

This is not a time to rush. Burned on this more than once.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Ros 56

This is not a time to rush

Reasonable haste, alas, is still needed. According to GPV-2020, it was expected that the fleet by now will have 7 such submarines, in fact there is conditionally one (the actual combat capability of Severodvinsk is estimated ambiguously). At the same time, sworn friends are already completing the construction of the "Virginias" for the second decade.

Of course, this does not mean that it is necessary to hand over the boats to the fleet without regard to quality and comments, but it is no longer possible to get carried away with shifting the deadlines to the right.

[petrol cutter]

"Of course, this does not mean that you need to hand over the boats to the fleet without regard to quality and comments, but it is no longer possible to get carried away with shifting the deadlines to the right."
It is possible / impossible, it is determined by the quality control department of the plant / military representatives.
As soon as ordered, the military.
And I think it's better to take a long time than to sink the steamer and kill people.
We also had a case - the OTK accepted everything cheerfully.
Then a new military representative arrived (a small one). And how he crawled into all the holes, how he crawled into all the cracks! Mom dear! ..
Yes, the ship is easier to rebuild!
This turn was ...

[Hermit21]

Yes you got sick

[Serg65]

Quote: Hermit21

Yes you got sick

Wash yourself!

[Stirbjorn]

I remember another such project, with a degree of novelty, etc.
B-585 "Saint Petersburg", still in trial operation since 2010 ... and no rush

[Serg65]

Quote: Stirbjorn

I remember another such project, with a degree of novelty

Think better of K-19 as a vivid example of the work of the state admissions committee and the acceptance of a ship for the Great October Revolution!

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: Stirbjorn

I remember another such project, with a degree of novelty

Think better of K-19 as a vivid example of the work of the state admissions committee and the acceptance of a ship for the Great October Revolution!

A holiday is not a holiday, but the dates must be real, as well as the responsibility for their failure. And for such talkers, nothing works, how much money and time do not give them!

[Serg65]

Quote: Stirbjorn

deadlines must be realistic

There simply cannot be any real terms with the COMBAT equipment!

[cloner]

At one time, I immediately said that not earlier than May. Firstly, the crew is on vacation until April, and secondly, ice in the White Sea until May. When our "responsible" comrades declare that the delivery in the 1st quarter we just want to attract them for the dissemination of inaccurate information. Either they are d ... s, or inadequate people. After all, now you can chat whatever you want for it, nothing will happen.

[rocket757]

The main thing is that it would work well, reliably ... you can wait a bit.

[bars1]

,, This music will be eternal ... "

[musorg]

Or more precisely, next year!

[stels_07]

To the parade in St. Petersburg and will hand over

[kit88]

Are there many nuclear-powered ships in St. Petersburg at the parade?

[stels_07]

By the Day of the Navy they will hand over, at least some reason for pride

[Wolf]

Everything is NORMAL. THE PLAN SHOULD EXIST, AND THE TIME SHOULD BE AIM! Sailors should not accept an unfinished submarine. Failure to meet the deadlines LESSON and science where everyone was WRONG and why, on such cases everything learns. There is no reason for punishment and excitement, a new type of nuclear submarine, and the culture of production rises, it is bad if the manufacturer and designer did not teach anything about the postponement of the deadline.

[Tests]

February 05, 2021 at "V.O." in the "News" section, they quoted the words of the head of the USC, Alexei Rakhmanov, from an interview with Interfax: "The Kazan nuclear submarine is at the stage of finishing and revision of mechanisms. Judge for yourself: the boat has been on 2,5 navigation trials, and we are already approaching the first service the interval when the repair of the mechanical part is usually carried out. Today we do not see questions that would require some more lengthy tests. We are preparing to finish our part by the end of February "Mr. Rakhmanov, as usual, whistled and did not blush ... Today, TASS source in the defense industry complex and the deadline for the order "in May-June of this year" ... In the comments today, many forecasts have already been written about the delivery time of the nuclear submarine. They can accept it for Victory Day, for the Day of the Northern Fleet, and for June 12 ... Well, we buy popcorn and sit comfortably in the armchairs. When will the fleet take the boat ??? Which of the commentators of the "Military Review" will be the best predictor? ... Sad ...

[Bez 310]

This is the result of all the promises and reports -
as it has long been in Russia, nothing on time
was not done.
And no one is responsible, just like that
happened...