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The project of the unmanned complex of group use "Lightning"

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The leadership of the military department gets acquainted with the new UAV. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation


The domestic defense industry is developing new concepts and solutions in the field of unmanned aviation... Recently it became known that the Kronstadt company, which has already created several unmanned systems, is working on the so-called project. complex of group use. The draft design "Lightning" proposes the use of a "swarm" of several UAVs to support the manned aircraft.

According to sources ...


On February 26, a delegation from the Ministry of Defense visited the production site of the Kronstadt company in Moscow. The management of the department was shown production facilities and serial products under construction, as well as a number of new developments. In particular, an unknown aircraft-type drone was shown for the first time and a new code - "Lightning" - was sounded.

1 March RIA News has published an interesting message about the further development of unmanned technologies. With reference to an unnamed source in the defense industry, it is argued that Kronstadt is developing an unmanned complex with the possibility of group use and interaction with manned aircraft.

The project called "Lightning" is an initiative development of the "Kronstadt" company. A draft version of the project has been prepared, and development work will begin in the near future. Within the framework of the draft design, approximate tactical and technical characteristics have been determined, which, however, can be changed and adjusted during the development work. The complex is offered for solving a wide range of tasks associated with the use of weapons or electronic equipment.

On the official resources of "Kronstadt" there is no information about the "Lightning" project yet. RIA Novosti was also unable to receive comments about this development. Probably, such a project - if it exists - has not yet reached the stages at which it can be presented to the public.

Unknown layout


It is assumed that the new unknown model, shown to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, is directly related to the "Lightning" project and shows the current views on the design of such a UAV. This is confirmed by the fact that the appearance of the product as a whole coincides with the characteristics and features disclosed by the source in the industry.

However, it could not have been the Molniya or even the UAV. In the report of Channel One, one can notice that the guidance system is mentioned on the information stand next to the model - and such a component is typical for cruise missiles, not for drones.

One way or another, the presented layout looks like a cruise missile, and its appearance speaks of the use of stealth technologies. The aircraft is built according to a normal scheme, it has a wing that can be folded in flight and a V-shaped tail. The fuselage received a curved top surface and an almost flat bottom. The design of the bow indicates the use of a radio-transparent fairing. An air intake recessed into the fuselage is provided in the central part of the product. The nozzle is flat with a V-shaped cut.


Close-up layout. Nearby is a stand with interesting information. Frame from the reportage of the "First Channel"

A promising UAV should receive advanced electronic means capable of providing autonomous or remotely controlled flight, interaction with other equipment and the fulfillment of the assigned task. At the same time, the list of on-board devices and their capabilities have not yet been specified.

According to the source of RIA Novosti, the length of the Molniya vehicle will reach 1,5 m, and the wingspan will be 1,2 m. The weight of the product has not been disclosed, but the payload is indicated at the level of 5-7 kg. UAVs of this appearance can be transported by different carrier aircraft. In particular, it will be able to fit into the internal compartments of the Su-57 fighter.

According to the same source, the Molniya's turbojet propulsion system will provide a flight at a speed of 700-800 km / h. The flight range is hundreds of kilometers. The start will be carried out from the carrier. Landing method unknown.

Group application


The Molniya project proposes to transport light drones on carrier aircraft of various types. A wide range of vehicles is considered in this capacity - from promising Su-57 fighters to converted military transport aircraft. It is also possible to use light UAVs together with the heavy S-70 "Okhotnik". Obviously, different carriers will carry a different number of light drones, and this will affect the organization of combat work.

New drones are being developed for swarm use. Several vehicles must fly and perform the task together - independently or in interaction with a manned aircraft. Such functions are the main goal of the project, towards which all efforts will be directed.

The swarm concept provides for a constant exchange of data between individual UAVs and the control aircraft. This allows you to solve any assigned tasks and respond flexibly to various factors. In the event of a change in the situation or the loss of a drone, tasks can be redistributed between active vehicles, incl. in automatic mode and without operator participation.

It is assumed that the unmanned "swarm" of the "Lightning" complex will be able to conduct reconnaissance, electronic warfare, etc. The possibility of solving combat missions is also being considered - for this, drones will be able to carry out target designation or act as loitering ammunition. Small payload will most likely prevent them from becoming carriers weapons.

Perspective direction


Group use of UAVs and manned aircraft has obvious advantages and allows you to flexibly solve a wide range of tasks. As a result, projects of this kind are being worked out in a number of countries, and some of them have already been brought to flight tests of one kind or another. At the same time, such complexes have not yet been accepted for service.


View from a different angle, you can consider the design of the tail. Frame from the reportage of the "First Channel"

As follows from the latest news, in our country, work has also begun on an unmanned aerial complex for group use, intended for use in the troops. The draft design of the Molniya complex is already ready, and now its creators will have to carry out a full-fledged design.

It is not known how long the ROC stage will last, when the experienced Molniya UAVs will take to the air and how soon the group flights will begin. At the same time, there are reasons for both positive and negative forecasts. It should be noted that the Russian industry in general and the Kronstadt group in particular has solid experience in the creation of drones. It will contribute to the fastest solution of a number of engineering problems, which will have a positive effect on the overall timing of work on the "Lightning".

However, it must be remembered that in a group application system, the leading role is given not to components and assemblies, but to special software. It should ensure high autonomy of the UAV and its ability to interact with other combat units. As practice shows, creating software with all the necessary functions is a very difficult task and requires a lot of effort.

Given the complexity of such a project, it can be assumed that the development and testing of a combat-ready unmanned complex will take several years. The adoption of the "Lightning" in service should be expected in the middle of the decade. It will take several more years to build and supply the troops with a sufficient amount of equipment. Thus, in the second half of the twenties, a full-fledged combat-ready grouping of Su-57 aircraft and the Hunter and Molniya drones with the widest capabilities may appear as part of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

It is obvious that the Molniya project and other hypothetical developments of this class are of great interest to the armed forces. Accordingly, the order for the development and start of the design of such a complex is now exclusively a matter of time. According to the latest news, development work will begin shortly and such estimates look realistic.
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  1. bayard
    bayard 3 March 2021 05: 42
    -3
    Layouts, layouts ... layouts ...
    But you have to answer "Chamberlain" ...
    Do the competencies of the above-mentioned "Kronstadt" correspond to the declared ambitions?
    After all, he has so far only dealt with classical drones ... and not very successfully ... more with mock-ups and intentions ... And then immediately such a swing "at William of our Shakespeare."
    I would be much more happy if the shock-reconnaissance drones of the middle and heavy class went into the series and into the troops.
    If the Ministry of Defense was finally concerned about AWACS aircraft.
    Which are not.
    Apart from the six A-50Us still of Soviet construction, in terms of their characteristics, they do not reach the first versions of the American AWACS.
    I would also be glad to new PLO aircraft ... if they appeared ... and so that at the level ...
    And the tankers would be happy.
    The revival of the MPA ...
    And so ... Rogozin is out - threatening to fly to the moon ... he would also be glad ... if he flew away.
    You need to boast about your deeds, not your intentions ...
    ELECTION coming soon.
    THIS is where the dog rummaged.
    They promise. yes
    They promise to promise. yes
    And promise not to stop. yes
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 3 March 2021 07: 03
      +5
      After all, he has so far only dealt with classical drones.

      and what, there are also non-classical? laughing can you introduce us to your new aircraft classification? lol
      I would be much more happy if the shock-reconnaissance drones of the middle and heavy class went into the series and into the troops.

      we know very well what you usually enjoy. But what is the connection between this concept from Kronstadt and medium-sized UAVs? Altair occupies the UZGA, the heavy S-70 was developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau, and the Kronstadt ORION has already been adopted by the Ministry of Defense. Once again, what is the problem of Kronstadt from the point of view of the ability to design on an initiative basis?
      And so ... Rogozin is out - threatening to fly to the moon ... he would also be glad ... if he flew away.
      You need to boast about your deeds, not your intentions ...
      ELECTION coming soon.

      Well, you switched to your favorite, could not resist. Just how does this relate to the topic "Armament" in general and the topic of UAVs in particular?
      They promise. yes
      They promise to promise. yes
      And promise not to stop. yes

      who exactly promised you what? Privately, the company announced its intention to start a new UAV project, investing its own money in this. Perhaps some part of the R&D will have time to be carried out independently, which will serve as the basis for further work. It seems that everything is fine, but the all-scourge still found an excuse to squeeze out a tear ... request what is going on with you? People don't work - it's bad. People work - it's also bad. Maybe you were born in the wrong country?
      1. bayard
        bayard 3 March 2021 07: 50
        +3
        Quote: Ka-52
        and what, there are also non-classical? can you introduce us to your new aircraft classification?

        Perhaps it was incorrectly expressed. "Kronstadt" previously worked only on propeller-driven UAVs with low speed and maneuverability. "Driven" by a fighter, this is completely different - a jet engine, increased requirements for maneuverability, the use of weapons from the inner compartment. "Kronstadt" had never done anything like that before, but what it was doing was somewhat different.
        So you yourself noticed that
        Quote: Ka-52
        VZ is in the aerodynamic shadow. There will be problems with curling the flow

        and one cannot but agree with this.
        It looks just like a reaction to the first flight of the American analogue - they took off, but we are not "bastard" either. That is, everything is in advance and intentions.
        And we were told a lot of advances.
        Little has been done.
        The topic of AWACS aircraft generally went into the shadows. There is deathly silence about the A-100. And after all, it is they - AWACS aircraft that are much more important than any dreams of "swarms of unmanned aerial vehicles", without them, neither a CD at low altitude can be found, nor combat control of aviation can be organized. This is a critical weapon. And we only have uplifting promises ... the result of which is far beyond the horizon of an uncertain future.
        And with the overclocking of almost all aviation design bureaus, probably in general, complete universal happiness will come.
        I’m not “Kronstadt” in reproach, about them only doubts about their competencies and the ability to pull several projects at once, they only have Orion brought to the pre-production batch, the rest are in the works. I'm talking about fanfare of propaganda, senseless and merciless. And about our hasty "reply to Chamberlain."
        Quote: Ka-52
        People don't work - it's bad. People work - it's also bad. Maybe you were born in the wrong country?

        When they work, it's good. When they work with good results, it's great. When they work with their head and hands, they work correctly. When they work with a pen and a tongue without a head ... and this is not about "Kronstadt" ... but about talkers, "fighters" on the propaganda front.
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 3 March 2021 09: 17
          +2
          Quote: bayard
          Deathly silence about the A-100

          Last spring it was infa that the start of deliveries was planned in the 24th year.

          In parallel with the state tests of the A-100, the Taganrog airport is being modernized
          1. bayard
            bayard 3 March 2021 16: 59
            0
            Quote: Mister X
            Last spring it was infa that the start is planned in the 24th year

            That's exactly what a year ago, with the timing of the start of the series for the horizon of the presidential term ... Or coincidence?
            Or will the war wait?
            "I do not want war, which means there will be no war," said the stupid tsar on the eve of the RYAV ...
            But no one asked him.
            The modernization of the A-50 fleet to A-50U was apparently thwarted for the same reason - "there will be no war" ...?
            After all, these aircraft are not enough to be produced and delivered to the troops ... They must also be mastered by the crews and calculations, they must be included in the combat training programs, and how should combat interaction be worked out. At different theaters. Under different scenarios. The practice of operating and maintaining such equipment should appear.
            Under the Soviet Union, they did not have time to do this ... although the A-50s entered the troops, but their development, the organization of combat interaction went slowly ... and then the Great Country came to an end ... So here it is like with the fleet, like with aircraft carriers - there is little experience and time for mastering such a technique is necessary.
            And the enemy will wait until we get ready ..
            Evidence of this is RYAV, PMV, WWII.
            But in the bazaar ... sorry, with the "market" with its relations, the psychology is completely different ... people do not understand ...
            1. Mister X
              Mister X 3 March 2021 19: 03
              0
              Quote: bayard
              After all, these aircraft are not enough to produce and put into the troops ... They still need to be mastered

              I agree. Yesterday are needed.

              Quote: bayard
              Or will the war wait?

              Due to the pandemic, the deadlines for the implementation of many projects have been disrupted.
              Both in the Russian Federation and abroad.
              Do you not allow this?
              1. bayard
                bayard 3 March 2021 20: 13
                0
                All the breakdowns of this program occurred much earlier than the "pandemic".
                By the way, you used this sanitary-medical term, but does it correspond to what we have been observing for more than a year now?
                Is this a pandemic?
                When is 50% or more of the population exposed to infection?
                Or is this a reason for something completely different?
                And very bad.
                Moreover, the failure of the A-100 program does not in the least excuse, but, on the contrary, accuses the Defense Ministry and the industry of disrupting the modernization program of the existing A-50. This program began in 2008 and during this time the entire existing fleet was to be modernized - from 15 to 20 units. available at that time. But to date, only 6 units have been modernized.
                Why
                Stupidity? smile
                I don’t think so.
                And who should control all this in our country?
                In such a sensitive and critical area of ​​defense?
                And why does he not want to do this?

                I don’t want to repeat the tale about the army armed with glass swords.
                1. Mister X
                  Mister X 3 March 2021 21: 34
                  0
                  Quote: bayard
                  All the breakdowns of this program occurred much earlier than the "pandemic".

                  Today there was an article entitled "The Future of US ILC Aviation", about the new helicopter from Sikorsky.
                  The bottom line: all conceivable schedules were disrupted due to technical difficulties.
                  Development interval 2006-2021.
                  There are still no serial cars.

                  Quote: bayard
                  You have used this medical term, but does it correspond to

                  It is used by medical departments and epidemiologists.
                  You can use another one. Your right.

                  Quote: bayard
                  Is this a pandemic?

                  Prior to this situation, the owners of the iPhone and Android also argued. wink
                  Your business, as you call this situation. If only they were healthy.

                  Quote: bayard
                  I don’t want to repeat the tale about the army armed with glass swords.

                  Let me tell you an anecdote.

                  80s, stagnant.
                  A man where necessary, and not necessary, was indignant:
                  - There is not enough meat in the country, there is not enough oil, there is not enough buckwheat either ...
                  They summoned him to the KGB, and there polite people in civilian clothes chided him.
                  - I hope you remember how it was during Stalin's time?
                  - Of course I remember...
                  - So, these times may return. Do you understand us?
                  - Understood perfectly ...
                  The man returned home, thought for a long time about what he had heard, and one day he gave out to his neighbor:
                  - There is not enough meat in the country, there is not enough oil, there is not enough buckwheat either ...
                  There are not enough cartridges!
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 4 March 2021 00: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Mister X
                    КГБ

                    winked I had many friends and acquaintances from this wonderful department.
                    Quote: Mister X
                    - There is not enough meat in the country, there is not enough oil, there is not enough buckwheat either ...
                    There are not enough cartridges!

                    Just about, under the Father of Nations, everything was fine with ammunition. yes
                    And the service knew the case. bully
            2. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek April 8 2021 09: 24
              0
              there is still a question with the Il-476 itself ... ... production is only reaching serious volumes. And there are not only supplies to Taganrog ..... We need to quickly make versions of AWACS based on the Il-114 and MS-21 (or SSZH) ..... but for this they also need to be mastered.
              1. bayard
                bayard April 8 2021 16: 01
                0
                Quote: Zaurbek
                there is still a question with the Il-476 themselves.

                There is a problem with the main contractor - "Vega". And the Il-76MD90A was handed over to them for the production of the head A-100 long ago.
                ... But "Vega" is true to itself - it is the hardware part that is not ready.
                And references to sanctions and a lack of components are ridiculous. We have quite serially produced air defense systems, radars of all ranges, combat control and communication systems ...
                But if Vega had failed only this project.
                But no.
                The modernization of the Il-38 with the Novella also failed.
                Failed by the QUALITY of this upgrade.
                Trying to somehow justify themselves - they blame the aircraft manufacturers. They even started talking about replacing the very base for the A-100 (aircraft) - with the Tu-214. Say, there is enough carrying capacity / internal volumes, and the range is larger, and the calculation will be more comfortable, and it will consume 2 times less fuel per flight ...
                And again - silence.
                But budgets are being mastered regularly.
                And the Supreme will not scold No.
                Is it great sadness to leave aviation without combat control?
                Miss the cruise missile raids?
                Will cost "little green men".
                And they will beat them, so the women will give birth to new ones.
                Yes, and some kind of wrong people got caught ... and the country ...
                ... only galoshes and knew how ...

                I'm angry today ...

                Quote: Zaurbek
                .It is necessary to make faster versions of AWACS based on IL-114 and MS-21 (or SSZh) ..

                No hardware saturation for this.
                "Vega" failed.
                Or she didn't want to cope.
                If there were serious talks about a new base for the A-100 in the form of the Tu-214, and that the Tu-214 was chosen as a single base for all special-purpose aircraft, then this is not bad.
                MS-21 is not in serial production yet.
                And in the domestic configuration, and even more so it will not be soon.
                IL-114 is not suitable for AWACS due to its low carrying capacity and short loitering time.
                It is better to create at once a single AWACS aircraft for carrier-based aviation and for aerospace forces based on the Yak-44. It was specially designed for this, and you can renew it.

                But "Vega" gives less and less chance of hope ...
                And so in everything.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek April 8 2021 16: 31
                  0
                  Why not involve other developers? The country also makes radars for the Su35S and radars for air defense systems ...

                  It is better to create at once a single AWACS aircraft for carrier-based aviation and for aerospace forces based on the Yak-44. It was specially designed for this, and you can renew it.

                  Before the avian, we are still awful .... especially the Il114 at the exit with attempts. Can you imagine how many years the UAC will be able to make an analogue for takeoff from an aircraft carrier? How many pieces will there be? And will there be at least some kind of seriality? It is better to follow the An-26-An-32 route.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard April 8 2021 19: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    Why not involve other developers? The country also makes radars for the Su35S and radars for air defense systems ...

                    No one has any more experience with such systems, after all, this is not just a radar in a fairing, it is a flying command post with a combat control system, navigational positions, communication systems, reconnaissance and target designation. A complex system .
                    And the A-50 was also developed by Vega.
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    Before the avian, we are still awful .... especially the Il114 at the exit with attempts.

                    Yes, the fact of the matter is that it is better to make a single plane at once for both the Navy and the Aerospace Forces, then the serial production, and training of personnel, and service maintenance are to be organized.
                    IL-114 is still crude and has a short range \ the time of loitering has, under the "mushroom" you will have to strengthen the fuselage ... And there is no hardware saturation for such an AWACS system yet. Not even for the A-100 yet - what is there to talk about.
                    In the meantime, they will develop a system for such a carrier, but they will bring it, then you look and they will begin to build aircraft carriers (they turn out to be in the plans, but for the second half of this decade), and the A-100 will fly (at least on the Il-76MD90A, at least on the Tu-214) , and the Yak-44 during this time will be able to reanimate.
                    The Yak-44 is better in that it was originally designed for such a task, a full-size mock-up was created, but they did not have time to make a flying model due to the collapse of the USSR.
                    One problem with him is the engines. Engines with coaxial propellers, the same as on the An-70, were planned for it. And this is Zaporozhye.
                    So we need to take Ukraine, return our lands and our people, and build everything we need, not ersatz.
                    As an ersatz, we now have a side-looking container radar for suspension under the Su-34 and Su-30SM. Tactical aviation will be killed by this. But we need a full-fledged aircraft - an analogue of the Hawaiian, which was supplied to the Air Force of the US allies and partners.
                    We will need up to a hundred of these Yak-44s - for all needs. And this is a very good series for the industry. And this will have an export potential.
                    Need to do .
                    But the most important thing is to understand whether today we have the opportunity to do this AT ALL.
                    Is Vega capable of such labor and engineering feats?
                    if I could put these funny guys in a sharashka, I think, very soon they would have coped with everything.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 3 March 2021 09: 49
      +1
      Quote: bayard
      But one must answer "Chamberlain"

      We will answer ......
      1. dSK
        dSK 3 March 2021 10: 50
        0
        New drones are being developed for use as a "swarm"
        Better title "Flock" ...
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 3 March 2021 11: 43
          +2
          Quote: dsk
          The name "Flock" is better suited.

          And here's a fix for you! What is called drones sometimes? Drones! Hu from the drone? Drone (insect)! So, sho? Roy! Iron logic ! tongue
        2. boni592807
          boni592807 8 March 2021 18: 06
          0
          dsk (Sergey), March 3, 2021 10:50
          New drones are being developed for use as a "swarm"
          The name "Flock" is better ...

          Question to the experts, more under the sunset "manufacturer of galoshes" -USSR, there was a missile system (possibly KR) that was supposed to work with aircraft carriers and the US Navy's ANG. By the way -
          according to the principle of a flock, with a constant exchange of information among themselves and determining at each moment the most dangerous (optimal) target and the option of approaching the target. Another CD at the optimum and so on until the "partner" is covered ...Experience would be helpful ... hi
    3. m.voron
      m.voron 3 March 2021 16: 40
      -2
      "Layouts, layouts ... layouts" - not quite so, rather dreams - dreams. There is no support for the Su57, but layouts have already been developed for them.
    4. alexmach
      alexmach 4 March 2021 00: 26
      +2
      After all, he has so far only dealt with classical drones ... and not very successfully.

      Well, how to say, the UAVs have been made, they are being supplied to the army, they have been tested in Syria, and they are preparing mass production. The first domestic UAV MALE class by the way. In my opinion, they are just the most successful today.
      1. bayard
        bayard 4 March 2021 01: 20
        0
        If Orion really goes into production, and there will be no engine problems with its and other UAVs, then yes. And only wish good luck.
        But it is precisely this apparatus that is completely different - reactive, must be maneuverable, carry weapons in the internal compartments. Moreover, it is not clear with the dimension, if such as in the picture, then this is only intelligence - small.
        I am against the chatter of fighters on the propaganda front - senseless and merciless ... and absolutely technically illiterate.
        I still have doubts about the competencies of "Kronstadt" and the sufficiency of design personnel to carry on SO MANY projects at once. The Illyushinsky won - they choked, swung at once at the Il-76MD90A, Il-112, Il-114, Il-96-400, the technical support of the An-124 ... it's even inconvenient to remember the hypothetical Il-276.
        And now, look, they will disperse all the aviation design bureaus and there will be a complete, absolute bummer ... and if he is not stopped, Serdyukov will HANDLE.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 4 March 2021 09: 56
          +1
          But it is precisely this apparatus that is completely different - reactive, must be maneuverable, carry weapons in the internal compartments. Moreover, it is not clear with the dimension, if such as in the picture, then this is only intelligence - small.

          Reactive - yes, weapons in internal compartments - no. This is a "kamikaze", it has a small payload and in which case he himself can plan for the target. Such a small subsonic, probably a cheap CD, or rather even a decoy target with a cunning flight profile and possibly reusable.
          And with the dimension - yes, as in the photo
          , the length of the "Molniya" vehicle will reach 1,5 m, and the wingspan will be 1,2 m

          I am against the chatter of fighters on the propaganda front - senseless and merciless ... and absolutely technically illiterate.

          Yes, it is terribly annoying. I agree. In general, in addition to Orion, Kronstadt showed a whole line of UAV concepts in models. To what extent he is able to produce them is a topical question. But at least at the level of models, the design idea is in full swing and they are clearly trying to get orders for other products. But I don’t see why they shouldn’t be able to.
          And now that look, all aviation design bureaus will be dispersed

          And there will be someone to go to work in offices like Kronstadt :). In general, KB overclocking is some kind of crazy initiative.
  2. Hagen
    Hagen 3 March 2021 06: 40
    +2
    The article can be called "chicken in the nest ...". It's too early to cook pans ...
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 3 March 2021 07: 11
      0
      Quote: Hagen
      The article can be called "chicken in the nest ...". It's too early to cook pans ...

      it's still not clear whether a chicken, or a duck, or a goose
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 3 March 2021 14: 10
        0
        Quote: Flood
        it's still not clear whether it is a chicken or a duck

        The general meaning is clearer with the "chicken" laughing The appearance of the representative does not change the essence when understanding the place of the testicle ...
  3. Ka-52
    Ka-52 3 March 2021 06: 41
    +3
    VZ is in the aerodynamic shadow. There will be problems with curling the flow
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 3 March 2021 08: 18
      0
      Quote: Ka-52
      VZ is in the aerodynamic shadow. There will be problems with curling the flow

      But this is still a mock-up demonstrator. Blowdowns in the pipe will indicate possible design flaws.

      A little time and money will not be required to straighten the "hump" of the fuselage in order to remove the air intake from the problem zone you expect.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 3 March 2021 09: 14
        +3
        A little time and money will not be required to straighten the "hump" of the fuselage in order to remove the air intake from the problem zone you expect.

        I guess this is not a mistake (oversight). just in this way they wanted to hide the gate of the air intake from irradiation into the front hemisphere. OT is short, constructively only straight. In this case, it will play the role of an ideal waveguide, which will not save even KRR and RPP. So they tried to "hide" it) But the vortices coming from the fairing will destroy the structure of the flow on the air intake, causing shock waves. That will negatively affect the work of the OT. But this is my guess.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 3 March 2021 09: 18
          +1
          Quote: Ka-52
          But this is my guess.
          I, and all of us, until the appearance of a real, adopted for service and mass-produced sample, can only assume request what
  4. Radikal
    Radikal 3 March 2021 09: 31
    -1
    The leadership of the military department gets acquainted with the new UAV. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
    This is how you looked at the models and cartoons - and calmly for the Motherland? sad
  5. Radikal
    Radikal 3 March 2021 09: 45
    -4
    Quote: Ka-52
    After all, he has so far only dealt with classical drones.

    and what, there are also non-classical? laughing can you introduce us to your new aircraft classification? lol
    I would be much more happy if the shock-reconnaissance drones of the middle and heavy class went into the series and into the troops.

    we know very well what you usually enjoy. But what is the connection between this concept from Kronstadt and medium-sized UAVs? Altair occupies the UZGA, the heavy S-70 was developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau, and the Kronstadt ORION has already been adopted by the Ministry of Defense. Once again, what is the problem of Kronstadt from the point of view of the ability to design on an initiative basis?
    And so ... Rogozin is out - threatening to fly to the moon ... he would also be glad ... if he flew away.
    You need to boast about your deeds, not your intentions ...
    ELECTION coming soon.

    Well, you switched to your favorite, could not resist. Just how does this relate to the topic "Armament" in general and the topic of UAVs in particular?
    They promise. yes
    They promise to promise. yes
    And promise not to stop. yes

    who exactly promised you what? Privately, the company announced its intention to start a new UAV project, investing its own money in this. Perhaps some part of the R&D will have time to be carried out independently, which will serve as the basis for further work. It seems that everything is fine, but the all-scourge still found an excuse to squeeze out a tear ... request what is going on with you? People don't work - it's bad. People work - it's also bad. Maybe you were born in the wrong country?

    Are you from "Kronstadt"? (please do not associate yourself with the heroes of the famous film. wassat) Judging by the scraps of "the vest is very similar to you .... In general, this company affiliated with someone, that is, the LLC has an authorized capital of 100000 rubles, which in our time can only buy a good electric bike, or something like that. I would not be surprised if after some time she suddenly "disappears" and becomes a defendant in a criminal case. lol hi
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 3 March 2021 10: 18
      +3
      Judging by the scraps of "the vest on you - very similar

      Where did you see the vest on me? Have you gone over with barbituras?
      In general, this company affiliated with someone, that is, the LLC has an authorized capital of 100000 rubles, for which in our time you can buy only a good electric bike, or something like that. I would not be surprised if after some time she suddenly "disappears" and becomes a defendant in a criminal case.

      your attempts to investigate the "terrible scam of the century" are better written in the "Opinions" section. While we are looking at the facts: "Kronstadt" issued the development of the "Orion" UAV, already adopted by the Ministry of Defense.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 3 March 2021 10: 58
      +2
      And nothing that the Kronstadt group of companies belongs to AFK Sistema. If you, MTS, like me, a couple of rubles from the monthly fee falls to Kronstadt.
  6. Radikal
    Radikal 3 March 2021 10: 29
    -5
    Quote: Ka-52
    Judging by the scraps of "the vest on you - very similar

    Where did you see the vest on me? Have you gone over with barbituras?
    In general, this company affiliated with someone, that is, the LLC has an authorized capital of 100000 rubles, for which in our time you can buy only a good electric bike, or something like that. I would not be surprised if after some time she suddenly "disappears" and becomes a defendant in a criminal case.

    your attempts to investigate the "terrible scam of the century" are better written in the "Opinions" section. While we are looking at the facts: "Kronstadt" issued the development of the "Orion" UAV, already adopted by the Ministry of Defense.

    Are there problems with associative thinking? That's right, because you don't use "barbituras". wassat As for the rest - chickens are counted in the fall. In addition to official releases on the adoption of certain types of weapons, there is no reliable / open information.
    Best regards, until new exciting meetings! hi lol wassat
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 3 March 2021 10: 47
    +2
    I just wondered where the Kronstadt group of companies (AFK Sistema) came from. Their legs grow from the 90s. In the early 90s, a dozen of St. Petersburg residents connected with the sea organized a company to promote modern technologies in navigation. And very successfully, in 98, they were the first to receive in the world there is a certificate of conformity to international standards. The fact that their simulators and the Eknis system are used all over the world will not say anything to all the fighters. But the fact that the ECDIS system is used by one partner, which is constantly put to us as an example! use the ECDIS system with 100% Russian roots. And you say we only sell oil and gas! We only need to look. According to Kronstadt, he develops the entire line of UAVs, except for strategic ones, from nano to shock. hi
  8. Radikal
    Radikal 3 March 2021 11: 41
    0
    Quote: Intruder
    nano to drums
    can one of the serial models in the "nano" line !? Into the studio, plizz laughing wink
    You just need to look. According to Kronstadt, he develops the entire line of UAVs.
    maybe they are doing large-unit assembly !? Those. The set of their foreign ones is obvious ..., plus shamans with software in avionics ???

    So. laughing
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 3 March 2021 11: 56
      +2
      There is not a word about this on their website. Only it is written that at their production facilities they can fulfill any order from scratch to flying sample. Before rejoicing in comments about SKD based on imported (from foreign ports) components, please provide the facts! laughing
    2. spravochnik
      spravochnik 3 March 2021 15: 02
      0
      Here you can see about "Kronstadt".

      [media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j00693-sC5s&feature=emb_err_woyt&ab_channel=%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F24]

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j00693-sC5s&feature=emb_err_woyt&ab_channel=%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F24
  9. sannyhome
    sannyhome 3 March 2021 16: 37
    0
    If you use such UAVs instead of long-range missiles ... It should turn out very well.
  10. Dmitry Izmalkov
    Dmitry Izmalkov 3 March 2021 17: 49
    -1
    You first put at least 100 Orions, and leave the hunters and so on for later
  11. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 3 March 2021 19: 14
    -1
    Congratulate the slegonets! Yesterday the layout was needed! And today there is a swarm of (layouts) "!
  12. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 3 March 2021 20: 21
    0
    "development work will begin soon"
    When they do something, then we will discuss it, but for now there is nothing to talk about.
  13. Radikal
    Radikal 3 March 2021 22: 21
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    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    "development work will begin soon"
    When they do something, then we will discuss it, but for now there is nothing to talk about.

    Indeed - what is the bazaar about .... hi
  14. Radikal
    Radikal 3 March 2021 23: 04
    +1
    Quote: Ka-52
    Judging by the scraps of "the vest on you - very similar

    Where did you see the vest on me? Have you gone over with barbituras?
    In general, this company affiliated with someone, that is, the LLC has an authorized capital of 100000 rubles, for which in our time you can buy only a good electric bike, or something like that. I would not be surprised if after some time she suddenly "disappears" and becomes a defendant in a criminal case.

    your attempts to investigate the "terrible scam of the century" are better written in the "Opinions" section. While we are looking at the facts: "Kronstadt" issued the development of the "Orion" UAV, already adopted by the Ministry of Defense.

    Judging by the minuses I have, you complained to "mom" and "dad", asked for the support of the sect - if you please. The results of activities, or rather, inactivity, are obvious, you can say "halva" as much as you want, but the agents (you are one of them) of the State Department, liberals, sorosets, bulk, well, if higher, then the CIA, MI6 are harming, s-in_ol_chi, And the most interesting thing is that TASS does not report anything about it. Remember how in the USSR - once a year or two, in the Pravda newspaper, on the last page. downstairs there was a small "basement" - in the State Security Committee - "today an employee of the US embassy was detained during an operation to communicate with his agent. Both were detained ... in connection with these facts, TASS is authorized to declare ...." This is how these messages looked. By the way, the newspaper and archival activist Shpakovsky could lay out the proof! wassat
    Over the past 30 years, have we read such messages? The CIA was probably optimized? The brother of either Bakatin or Serdyukov probably works there (not to be confused with the commander of the Airborne Forces). If even now my allegory is not clear, then alas, alas ... wassat
  15. Dmitry K
    Dmitry K 3 March 2021 23: 34
    -5
    Very sorry. We buy a ticket for the "train that left yesterday". The Yankees created such a project and it is already called Gremlin in metal. Moreover, they conduct constant exercises (competitions) between the Navy teams and the students of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. A "swarm" of pilots on the principle of "who will win" take part in these competitions. The skills of management, defense, attack in real conditions, team on team are being practiced. In Soviet times, we were second
    And they were catching up with the United States. Now we are ONLY planning on the initiative of the KB. Where should the initiative come from? Isn't this a requirement in this situation? The Yankees created the structure after the USSR's first space flight in the world. The structure is called "DARPA". Read what kind of structure it is, on what principle does it work and for what? That is why they are doing well. And we have layouts.
    1. Soho
      Soho 4 March 2021 05: 02
      0
      Don't cry, or the wrinkles will come out. We believe, we believe that America is the strongest lol
  16. czes
    czes 4 March 2021 00: 13
    -3
    "News" like "can be done". Enough disgrace, editors!
    1. Soho
      Soho 4 March 2021 05: 05
      +1
      Something when there was news about the intention of the Americans to start creating a new hypersonic missile, your yelling "enough is disgraceful" was not visible there. Or can only the Russian Federation be dishonored by hamsters with the intention of designing combat systems?
  17. Earnest
    Earnest 4 March 2021 17: 30
    0
    Quote: Dmitry K
    Very sorry. We buy a ticket for the "train that left yesterday". "Yankees" created such a project and it is already called "Gremlin" in metal ... In Soviet times, we were the second
    And they were catching up with the United States. Now we are ONLY planning on the initiative of the KB .... That's why they are doing well. And we have layouts.

    And who told you that the Yankees were the first to come up with? Do you know anything about the P-1975 "Granit" anti-ship missile complex P-500 "adopted by the USSR Navy in 8?" That its combat use is part of a fully functional swarm with the exchange of information between XNUMX missiles, one of which already in flight takes over control of the swarm, distributes targets within the swarm, carries out additional reconnaissance of targets and target designation for the rest, each of which is also capable of performing the role of a "command paragraph "in case of failure of the previous one? That this swarm is equipped, among other things, with electronic warfare equipment for air defense jamming? Half a century ago, a rocket (read - unmanned!) Swarm was adopted, and suddenly "the Yankees are the first again."
  18. Alexey Zigalov
    Alexey Zigalov 5 March 2021 17: 38
    +1
    Kirill and why does Kronstadt not report LA's take-off weight, range, he returns, etc. ????? How it differs from cruise missiles launched in salvo of the 70s. Armies are fighting by charters in our aviation charters there is no concept of flight in a flock or in a swarm. Consider a flock of UAVs with a grenade on board attacking enemy air defenses or a column of tanks. Cool. When the United States has been making autonomous flying Combat Complexes for ten years that can conduct air combat with enemy aircraft and helicopters. By the way, they fly in pairs, links, etc. Kronstadt is a laundress. Our concept of waging war with drones is ... nonsense.
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  20. nikolai55soot
    nikolai55soot April 15 2021 11: 33
    +1
    Half a century ago, when he served in 11 Air Defense Forces, in 1973 -75, 530 IAP, Chuguevka, MiG-25 P (fighter-interceptor); after takeoff at 50 m, the pilot turned on the autopilot and could not take the helm until landing at the Sokolovka airfield, and he could fly the entire Primorsky Territory on autopilot at an altitude of 50 meters along all mountain gorges above the Earth - on tube electronics. Today I think this swarm is not a problem ....
  21. Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 30 May 2021 17: 02
    0
    On the photo, Shoigu's face reads directly: "How did you get it with your mock-ups ... When will you show your samples ??"