"It's getting harder to get into the air": the US Air Force calls for the replacement of the AWACS fleet

The head of the Pacific Air Force calls for the replacement of the early warning aircraft fleet, without which the United States will not be able to maintain air superiority.

According to General Kenneth S. Wilsbach, the Air Force urgently needs to purchase a new E-7 Wedgetail AWACS aircraft, which was created on the basis of the Boeing 737 and is already being operated by a number of foreign operators.

The point is, we really need something relatively fast due to the unreliability of the E-3. It's getting harder and harder to get up in the air

- said Wilsbach, commenting on the state of the American fleet aircraft AWACS E-3 Sentry.

The E-3 was created on the basis of the old modification of the Boeing 707, the production of which was discontinued back in 1978, which makes it increasingly difficult to find spare parts for aircraft with a radio detection and guidance complex. In recent years, there have been aircraft upgrades that are expected to allow the AWACS fleet to fly in the 2030s. But, according to Wilsbach, "it is currently in doubt because of how old he is."

As the general explains, the enemy created access restriction zones in the Pacific theater of operations [the so-called A2AD, which do not allow breaking through the enemy's defenses without incurring unacceptable losses]. Under these conditions, increased awareness of the combat situation is necessary, which can only be provided by the new E-7 AWACS aircraft. The strikes directed by them should be delivered by the "new advanced fighter".

In this regard, Wilsbach said that he was in favor of the next generation fighter with modern weapons, "so that we can remain at the proper level in the conditions of further [technical] advancement of our opponents."

Because if you do not have air superiority, then the execution of all your military plans will be in jeopardy.

- noted the general.

Comments

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Another open lobby amid Boeing's problems.

[halpat]

Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

Another open lobby amid Boeing's problems.

"... it is getting harder and harder to <find> spare parts for airplanes ..."
imagined how American military supplies travel to Asian and African flea markets and report to the leadership on a daily basis on the results of their missions ...
the most heroic even in Iran are joking, probably ...

[yehat2]

this question is more complicated.
it is worth recalling that not so long ago an officer from the aviation patrol service was appointed to one of the highest posts of the Pentagon, i.e. the weight of this kind of troops is now growing rapidly and the renewal of the AWAC fleet looks more than logical, if we remember that Orion was recently updated, and in China, Europe and we are actively working on the creation of new AWACS vehicles and countermeasures.
Personally, in the place of our Ministry of Defense, I would immediately start a project in cooperation with China to create a new machine based on the MS-21 (but converted for a higher engine layout and other military requirements)

[Dodikson]

we seem to be finishing the A-100.

[yehat2]

the a-100 has an outdated filling and an even more outdated IL-76 platform, which is going to be replaced. It would not be very far-sighted to put such machines into production.
The only real way out, I see, is to continue debugging the new filling based on the a-100 and then, when it becomes clear on which platform this will all be installed, create a completely new device. Only the will is needed to ensure a green road for these works, otherwise everything will again drag on for no good for 20 years.

[Dodikson]

with what fright is there an outdated filling?
on the A-50U it is still quite at the level, and on the A-100 it is a generation newer

[yehat2]

Quote: Dodikson

on the A-100 it is a generation newer

okstis, on the a-100 there is a filling at best 6-7 years old, and I think even older.
a50y is even older.
in addition, the ANCIENT Aegis radar, being at sea level, has been able to detect the A-100 from 800 km for more than 20 years, and the A-100 sees an aircraft from an altitude only at a distance of 650 km.
do not you find this not only strange, but also simply inappropriate to reality?

[Dodikson]

Monsieur pull up the materiel.
equipment 6-7 years old is modern iron.
This is for gamers whose viduha has not been playing for 6 years, but in the military (even foreign) the main technological process is still 130nm, this is if the pentium3 is 20 years old.
you can read what is in the raptors (the plane was put into service in 2006, but the processors were there at the end of the 80s) and on the fu-35.
By the way, on the latest models of hokai and sentry, the iron is generally of the early-mid-5s, although they got up in the series about XNUMX years ago.
Aegis cannot see a target at 800 km, except that one that flies at an altitude of 40-50 km, it's too lazy to watch how much radio horizon there will be for heights.

[yehat2]

you do not hear me.
he has the MOST modern equipment for 6-7 years
and most of them are 10+ and yes, they are already old.
the only thing that keeps the a100 in terms of its characteristics is the software and the mathematical apparatus, and not hardware at all. Antenna also with questions

[Dodikson]

Damn, some even have a stake on their heads.
now the most common technical process not only in the military, but even in civilian life is a 20 year old 130nm.
all these NEW 5G, base stations of mobile networks, radars, other telecommunication equipment are the same 130nm, the same 130nm which are already 20 years old.
all these 5-7, but at least 10+ years, this is NEW equipment.
https://3dnews.ru/975972/?past-link
on the raptors there is equipment from the 80s, on the fu-35 from the mid-XNUMXs.
they do not have Zen2 risers or blue AlderLake, they do not have Geforce Ampere, they have military electronics, which were ALWAYS made using thick technical processes.
I will explain again that without a mat - WAR IS NOT TOYS, THERE DOES NOT NEED TOP VIDEOORTS OF THE LAST GENERATION
there we need electronics that perform their functions and our electronics perform them.

[yehat2]

enough for me to talk about processors
this is 5% of the equipment that costs.
you constantly communicate with me as with a stupid shkolota.
the first thing to be questioned is energy efficiency.
on a-100 insufficient power reserves for the antenna
and insufficient, first of all, because there is a lot of old or not very high-quality rubbish.
the second point is the inefficiency of the command section of the aircraft. It takes too many people there. Lots of ballast.

[Dodikson]

and what exactly is missing in our electronics? because energy efficiency is just in time for the process technology, the thinner it is, the less it eats and less heats up.
and by what parameters is the old worse than the new? I'm not talking about power and so on, but why, for example, the same power for a new one is weaker? that is, why is new better?
for example, in AFAR, the transition to gallium arsenide gave a solid boost, but this is not electronics in the literal sense, because electronics is silicon.
PS I will answer in the evening.

[yehat2]

electronics is not silicon, but everything that is done through PN junctions.
there may be no silicon at all.

[Dodikson]

Well, if we take ferite and vacuum tubes into account, then yes, but with this logic, everything that has at least some kind of circuitry is considered electronics and is connected to an outlet or battery
but the essence remains the same.
Russia, yes, significantly lags behind the West in terms of electronics, but no, much of what some consider outdated is not obsolete

[yehat2]

the problem is not only in the microcircuits themselves
before the USSR produced unique lamps, transistors and other things, which now simply do not exist, and there is nothing to replace.
Because of this, some of what could have been done before is now impossible to recreate and you have to look for workarounds, which are not always successful.
So along with the development of technologies, there is also the degradation of a part of the kit.
I'm not even talking about the banal shortage of even high-quality resistors and capacitors, it would seem that could be simpler? And this is aggravated by the original terms of tenders and government contracts, where it is unrealistic to agree and buy quality instead of cheap.

[Dodikson]

this is another topic and here I agree about tenders. it comes to the point that it is cheaper to buy Chinese meat, and then they whine that the Protons are falling.
but the military commissar is beginning to correct it.
lamps also began to be made, at the expense of the xs condensers, but at the forums at least they wrote that some types of condenders began to be produced (which I don't remember anymore, it's not an electronics engineer).
and now, after the sanctions even squeezed composites at the top, glory to the eggs, they paid attention to electronics and kind of introduced it to the priority list.
in the next 10 years I hope that something will change

[Pessimist22]

Yesterday I read an article in Vzglyad: "The US Air Force resigned itself to failure in the creation of the F-35, which for a whole decade have been trying to replace the main American fighter F-16, write the American media." Now Avaks will also make new ones.

[Lech from Android.]

In this regard, Wilsbach said that he was in favor of the next generation fighter with modern weapons, "so that we can remain at the proper level in the conditions of further [technical] advancement of our opponents."

The F-35 has not been finished yet ... where you hurry, the bag won't break from the strain.

[mvg]

Until the end of serial production in 1992, 68 aircraft were built.

[KCA]

When the A2AD breaks out, AWACS pilots turn into suicide bombers, as soon as the first missiles and gliding bombs detach from the bombers and strikers, the general is not thinking about that.

[rocket757]

"It's getting harder to get into the air": the US Air Force calls for the replacement of the AWACS fleet

Don't cry ... Yaroslavna, that's for sure! Crocodile shed a tear, ah, ah, ah.

[Alf]

Quote: rocket757

"It's getting harder to get into the air": the US Air Force calls for the replacement of the AWACS fleet

Don't cry ... Yaroslavna, that's for sure! Crocodile shed a tear, ah, ah, ah.

The budget needs to be cut not so much, you see, and the planes will remain ..

[rocket757]

You sho, want to prevent professionals from working ... making money?
This envy haunts you.

[Alf]

Quote: rocket757

You sho, want to prevent professionals from working ... making money?
This envy haunts you.

"Why do you go into thought, want to prevent you from embezzling the budget?
No, I want to participate in this. "

[rocket757]

Quote: Alf

"Why do you go into thought, want to prevent you from embezzling the budget?
No, I want to participate in this. "

About "servants of the people" ... better not. I can’t answer normally, but they won’t give it anymore ... pi pi pi

[Alf]

Quote: rocket757

but as you want they will not give .... pi pi pi

Don't even think the Tuman moderator is in charge. Our service is both dangerous and difficult, and at first glance does not seem to be visible ...

[rocket757]

I don’t want to ... and so they hung the "awards" at the limit.

[rotmistr60]

we really need something relatively fast due to the unreliability of the E-3. It's getting harder and harder to get up in the air

It is clear that criticizing Russia and putting pressure on it is much easier than solving one's own problems. Doubt about air superiority, it's so wonderful.

the enemy created access restriction zones in the Pacific theater of operations ...

The enemy, as I understand it, is Russia and China. It would be strange if the "enemy" sat idly by and silently watched the American Wishlist in this region.

[maksbazhin]

I wonder how this type of aircraft is covered. They keep a distance of 300 km or constant cover-escort, but there are, in principle, UAVs ready to take the blow.

[Mavrikiy]

in connection with which it becomes more and more difficult spare parts for aircraft with a radio detection system

it's getting harder, what?

[Poetry]

".. it's getting harder and harder to get up in the air .."
Didn't the crews of these planes try to eat smaller ones? I can imagine what kind of fat bosses are sitting there - puffing.

[Prisoner]

The work is nervous, and from the nerves the appetite sometimes becomes terrible.

[Poetry]

Don't tell me, my nerves have gone to hell.

[Bshkaus]

Who's arguing? It is high time. Only in the article there are inaccuracies: this is not the C-130 and its modifications are made on the basis of the Boeing 707, but on the contrary - a civil version of the Boeing 130 was developed on the basis of the C-707 airframe. The latter even increased the width of the fuselage. And the Boeing 737 can be considered a young guy made on the basis of the Boeing 717. Not only in the USSR there were "smart guys" who converted bomb bays into passenger salons)))))

[Prisoner]

"The head of the Pacific Air Force calls for the replacement of the early warning aircraft fleet, without which the United States cannot maintain air superiority"(c) And they have superiority in the air? And how long ago?

[Old26]

Quote: Bshkaus

It is high time. Only in the article there are inaccuracies: this is not the C-130 and its modifications were made on the basis of the Boeing 707, but on the contrary - a civil version of the Boeing 130 was developed on the basis of the C-707 airframe.

I heard everything, but this ..... Discovery at the level of the Nobel Prize, no less. That is, you want to say that on the basis of a glider

a civil version of the Boeing-707 was developed

Masterpiece !!!!!
• And nothing that these are planes of two different companies. Is the 707 Boeing and the 130 Lockheed?
• Is it okay that one of them is a turboprop and the other is a turbojet?
• Is it okay that one is high-wing and the other is low-wing?
• Is it okay that Boeing took off a month earlier than the C-130?

And after that, you continue to assert that the Boeing-707 was developed on the basis of the C-130 airframe ???

[Alf]

that he is in favor of the next generation fighter with modern weapons, "so that we can remain up to par with the further [technical] advancement of our adversaries."

Misters, you have a super-super-fighter F-35, which is even more modern for you, this one does not really fly yet. You, gentlemen, have been building a Penguin for 20 years, how many years are you going to build the next generation of an airplane? Or the budget does not give rest?