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The Armed Forces of Ukraine got rid of the "Prussian" step

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The Armed Forces of Ukraine got rid of the "Prussian" step

The Ukrainian army seeks to get away from everything Soviet and come to NATO standards as soon as possible. In light of the ongoing reform, the Armed Forces of Ukraine took another step towards the West - they got rid of the "Prussian step".


According to the public relations service of the Land Forces Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as part of the reform, Ukrainian servicemen were allowed to raise their legs by only 10-15 cm during a combat step, and not 15-20, as it was earlier according to the charter of the Soviet army.

It is noted that the new combat step will be demonstrated already during the military parade on the occasion of the 30th anniversary of Ukraine's independence, which will be held on August 24, 2021 in Kiev. In this regard, the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began training in a new combat step, and in a separate presidential regiment named after Hetman Bogdan Khmelnitsky, they conducted a demonstration lesson on the methodology of training personnel for this event, taking into account innovations.

Those present were shown the movement of the old and the new combat step individually and as part of the ranks, the ceremonial crew. The servicemen moved at a speed of 110 steps per minute, and the stride length was 70-80 cm.The main difference was that now the servicemen, who are moving in a combat step, raise their legs 10-15 cm from the ground, instead of the previously determined 15-20 cm

- said in a statement by the Ukrainian military.

Recall that the marching step, called in the West the "Prussian step", came to the Soviet army as a legacy of the tsarist army. As you know, the Prussian step was led by the imperial decree of Paul I, who was an ardent admirer of everything Prussian and considered the Prussian army a model worthy of imitation.

To date, the Estonian and Kazakh armies have abandoned the Prussian step, and now Ukraine has joined them. However, in many post-Soviet republics, the pace of the marching stride remained the same - 110-120 steps per minute, while the leg rises by 15-20 cm, and the stride length is 70-80 cm.
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  1. bars1
    bars1 1 March 2021 12: 33
    +37
    As the saying goes: "Envy, cotton wool!"
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 1 March 2021 12: 37
      +23
      reform, after reform ... bully
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 1 March 2021 12: 43
        +40
        Quote: Nasr
        reform, after reform ...

        The next step is to cut army rations with the motivation to reduce energy costs. hi
        1. Temples
          Temples 1 March 2021 12: 55
          +36
          The Ukrainian army seeks to get away from everything Soviet

          They get rid not of the Soviet, but of the Russian.

          The printing step was approved by Paul 1.

          But the Soviet Ukraine wants to return. Crimea is the Soviet legacy of Ukraine. As well as Ukraine itself.

          Russophobes Anglo-Saxons are grown on the borders of our country.
          1. mssp
            mssp 1 March 2021 13: 06
            -37%
            Quote: Temples
            The printing step was approved by Paul 1.
            Who deeply despised the Russians and was an admirer of the Prussians.
            What side are the Russians in general?
            Quote: Temples
            Russophobes Anglo-Saxons are grown on the borders of our country.
            Germanophobes, that's right.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 1 March 2021 13: 33
              +46
              A. I. Turgenev, assessing the activities of the emperor, wrote: “The people were delighted, were delighted, honored His orders with a blessing sent from heaven ... I allow myself to boldly and fearlessly say that in the first year of Paul's reign the people were blissful, found judgment and punishment without covetousness, no one dared to rob, oppress him ... ”However, he was nicknamed the“ villain ”because he fired negligent dignitaries, bosses and even sent several hundred people from the capital (!) to other cities of the European part of Russia (this is a villain!) ...
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 1 March 2021 14: 32
                +35
                And he also limited serfdom and in general could move towards its abolition ... but he could not, he started too abruptly ..

                And so you look and the revolution in 100 years could have been avoided.
                1. Edvagan
                  Edvagan 1 March 2021 15: 52
                  +32
                  I must say that it was necessary to justify the murder of Tsar Paul 1 and to whitewash the son who supported the murder of his father (Alexander 1), therefore, as much dirt as on Paul 1 was not poured on any Russian tsar.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 1 March 2021 16: 00
                    +13
                    It seems to me that everything was clear to everyone. He stepped on the interests of a very broad and significant strata of the nobility. Well, after all, he was not the first tsar to be killed, after all, they did the same with his father, and during the reign of Catherine the Great, the nobility raised their heads very, very much.

                    And as a result - and partly the refusal of Constantine from the kingdom, and the refusal of Nicholas the First to touch serfdom, with all his reformist fervor, and the abolition of serfdom, which is very mild in relation to the landowners ...
                2. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 1 March 2021 16: 15
                  +5
                  Under him, in my opinion, there were no executions.
                  1. Black lotos
                    Black lotos 2 March 2021 00: 14
                    +3
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    Under him, in my opinion, there were no executions.

                    Don't confuse official sentences with real deaths.
                    Nicholas 1 is also credited with only 40 !!! official executions.
                    He is also credited with the phrase of Paul that there are no death sentences.
                    The little casket just opens. Punishment was imposed in the form of stick strikes in hundreds of pieces. And the fact that they died, well, they did not execute, but could not stand it. Starved to death, but not executed.
                    They exiled and died on the road or because of the climate - but not executed.
                    They began to liberalize with executions under Elizabeth, then Catherine wanted to be liberal in front of Europe and Voltaire. But that hypocrisy did not always work out.
                    Alexander was also credited with only 24 deaths. And now one of the most cruel emperors, Nicholas 1, was credited with only forty.
                    What kind of kings we had. Not executed ... just people could not stand punishment in the form of sticks and other things. And so they did not execute.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 2 March 2021 10: 02
                      +2
                      What kind of kings we had. Not executed ... just people could not stand punishment in the form of sticks and other things

                      And yet, yes, they really weren't executed. And corporal punishment with beating to death, I suspect, was not invented by Paul or Catherine. This is the era.
                      Nicholas 1 is also credited with only 40 !!! official executions.

                      40? Not 6? Tough? oh well, even torture was not used under him.
                3. Hagalaz
                  Hagalaz 2 March 2021 09: 17
                  +5
                  From this it follows that history shows that not only kings cannot marry for love, that they are far from being omnipotent.
                  In this light, the attitude of many to the present is surprising as to the tsar. Moreover, he is omnipotent and capable of any, including radical actions, which is naturally not the case. This, in turn, gives rise to deliberately unrealized expectations and anger when they are not realized.
                  Such analogies inspired smile hi
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 2 March 2021 10: 18
                    +2
                    Very practical remark.
                  2. Mikhalych 70
                    Mikhalych 70 2 March 2021 20: 51
                    0
                    hi It seems they say that the king is made by his retinue.
          2. Installer
            Installer 2 March 2021 15: 58
            +1
            Yes, let them not raise their legs at all! The entire military budget for footwear is allowed.
        2. Destiny
          Destiny 1 March 2021 12: 58
          +17
          In vain they refused. But the troops are marrying at the parades with a "Prussian step"!
          1. figwam
            figwam 1 March 2021 13: 25
            +20
            Quote: Destiny
            In vain they refused

            Soon they will walk like the Americans, just a crowd

          2. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 1 March 2021 13: 39
            +13
            Quote: Destiny
            In vain they refused. But the troops are marrying at the parades with a "Prussian step"!

            As the country is, so are the troops.
          3. Avior
            Avior 1 March 2021 13: 47
            +14
            Reminded an anecdote about elephants smile
            Didn't you get into the parade crew? Hanger just smile
            Someone is beautiful, and who is shagistic from morning till night on the parade ground ...
            1. crambol
              crambol 1 March 2021 18: 11
              +5
              Finally, a clever word sounded. Excellent Sergey! Worse than the Prussian step is the attack on bellies.
            2. ANB
              ANB 1 March 2021 18: 54
              +3
              ... and who should die with shagistics from morning till night on the parade ground ...

              At the Tushino airfield. And the stripes there are long. And after them the paving stones of Red Square. After the rain. And chrome boots with leather soles.
            3. Gato
              Gato 1 March 2021 19: 29
              +7
              Didn't you get into the parade crew?

              They did, yes. A horse at a wedding is the softest comparison.
            4. Black lotos
              Black lotos 2 March 2021 00: 17
              -3
              Quote: Avior
              step by step from morning till night on the parade ground die

              shagistika in the Russian army led to the Crimean, and then to the RYAV. And she taught nothing ...
              two brutal lessons and two teachers.
              1. Avior
                Avior 2 March 2021 00: 54
                +1
                During the war, they did not practice very much. And everyone knows the result.
                It is not surprising that it is not practiced in Israel either, they seem to have drawn conclusions.
            5. Hagalaz
              Hagalaz 2 March 2021 09: 27
              +1
              In in! When my son was serving, he got to prepare in the "box" by May 9th. This is exactly the hanger.
              And when he served himself, especially not squeamish persons preferred cleaning the toilet to drill laughing
              1. ammunition
                ammunition 2 March 2021 17: 49
                +2
                Quote: Hagalaz
                This is exactly the hanger.
                And when he served himself, especially not squeamish persons preferred cleaning the toilet to drill

                1985 year. 73rd Guards. SME .. spring. Militant from morning to dinner. 10 minutes of every hour - a smoke break.
                For us it was recreation ... The beauty!! freebie! and a legal 8 hours of sleep in a warm barracks on clean sheets. And ... finally, decent food in the dining room.
                ( cleaning grade. nobody preferred )
                -----------------
                I'm not kidding a single gram.
                1. Hagalaz
                  Hagalaz 2 March 2021 19: 09
                  +2
                  T e, you mean that everything is learned in comparison? And at other times you were screwed at other events)? Your duty station doesn't tell me anything request
                  1. ammunition
                    ammunition 2 March 2021 19: 30
                    +2
                    Quote: Hagalaz
                    that everything is known in comparison?

                    Well yes ! yes When you do not need to wind 70 km in the snow .. clean weapons until 3 am .. fast from 2 to 3, etc. Then the drill all day long is a beauty! lol
                    1. Hagalaz
                      Hagalaz 2 March 2021 22: 55
                      +1
                      In this context, I agree. We then sat at the point. Tired us in other ways ...
          4. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 1 March 2021 15: 15
            +5
            And it is already hard for them to walk with a Prussian step. Trousers get in the way.
          5. Quadro
            Quadro 1 March 2021 21: 43
            -2
            Quote: Destiny
            In vain they refused. But the troops are marrying at the parades with a "Prussian step"!

            But the DPRK army went over to the Prussian step.
        3. Gato
          Gato 1 March 2021 15: 57
          +7
          Следующий шаг

          The next step is to give permission to put your hand on the empty head when giving the greeting. Or something else wassat
          And also keep your right hand in your pocket while drinking "Not yet vmerly"
          1. Andrey1903
            Andrey1903 3 March 2021 05: 49
            -2
            I don't understand what the problem is, giving a military salute without a headdress, invented cretinism.
        4. BecmepH
          BecmepH 1 March 2021 16: 32
          +16
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          Quote: Nasr
          reform, after reform ...

          The next step is to cut army rations with the motivation to reduce energy costs. hi

          This is how we keep up. How many times has the uniform changed under the new minister? Just have time to change. Like roosters (birds, if I mean), decorated walk. And the stripes? And the emblems? With each innovation in uniform, our army becomes stronger, more united and more dangerous to the enemy. Throw hats over me, but I will remain unconvinced.
        5. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 1 March 2021 22: 09
          +3
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          Quote: Nasr
          reform, after reform ...

          The next step is to cut army rations with the motivation to reduce energy costs

          Are you an optimist laughing I think the next step will be to legalize transgender people in the army, like the “big brother” of the 404 country ...
      2. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 1 March 2021 13: 14
        +10
        Yes, the whole main meaning of their reforms is understandable: "Everything is not like the klyatikh Muscovites"
      3. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 1 March 2021 19: 18
        +2
        Quote: Nasr
        reform, after reform ... bully
        Have forgotten how to march ...
        Soon and structure in the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be canceled, the "Soviet legacy" - tea can be walk in the crowd at the "parade" soldier
    2. nnm
      nnm 1 March 2021 13: 03
      +7
      Reminded:
      1. Artyom Karagodin
        Artyom Karagodin 1 March 2021 13: 21
        +5
        Yes, yes, no one is at war in single-breasted ones))))
    3. credo
      credo 1 March 2021 13: 16
      +6
      Quote: bars1
      As the saying goes: "Envy, cotton wool!"

      And if they had cut their forelocks to everyone in the army, grew a mustache to their chin, put on wide trousers, and other distinctive attributes of "ancient ukrov", all the armies of the world would have envied them.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 1 March 2021 15: 17
        +3
        Yes. And the casseroles! Pans on the head. To the generals, goofs! Only then will we believe that we have left everything "Russian and Soviet")
    4. RealPilot
      RealPilot 1 March 2021 16: 06
      +5
      The parades are getting smaller and the step is scaled ... request

      Of course, when they walk on Red Square in full view of the vast Country and the whole World, from a great distance a "high" step seems more effective!

      And there the shtetl now everything goes away, at the same time it is possible to feed the soldiers more economically, because less effort is needed ...
    5. RealPilot
      RealPilot 1 March 2021 16: 10
      +4
      What if someone has a bad hearing, and he did not hear the letter "P" in the word "Prussian"? belay
    6. kebzuref
      kebzuref 1 March 2021 17: 04
      0
      ukrbrazg head disease ...
    7. antivirus
      antivirus 1 March 2021 17: 43
      0
      they are preparing to run up the stairs of the spacecraft (another step was introduced) .... they will fly to Mars and Jupiter, the landing party-Ukrians. ours are all on the garbage dumps and deserts of the earth ... and crawl. .... well done kokhly.
    8. Terenin
      Terenin 1 March 2021 20: 33
      0
      Not understood, what and when the Ukrainians founded Troy and the hopak became the ancestor of kung fu, then they did not invent their own marching step?
    9. EDWARD
      EDWARD 1 March 2021 22: 06
      +12
      combat efficiency is growing by leaps and bounds ... but by the hour)



      but in general, there is something to strive for.
    10. Vyacheslav01
      Vyacheslav01 3 March 2021 18: 15
      +1
      laughing Now marching like the Bundeswehr
  2. Gardamir
    Gardamir 1 March 2021 12: 35
    -13%
    The Ukrainian army seeks to get away from everything Soviet
    Like Russia
    https://topwar.ru/180431-minoborony-utverdilo-novuju-jemblemu-i-flag-morskoj-pehoty.html
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 1 March 2021 12: 40
      -2
      Quote: Gardamir
      Like Russia

      Jump-jump, throw-re-roll. wink laughing
    2. Runway
      Runway 1 March 2021 12: 41
      +2
      Alas, yes. Everything is natural.
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 1 March 2021 12: 45
      +2
      I would suggest everyone to go to the parade run of the Italian bersagliers ... laughing
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 1 March 2021 12: 48
        +8
        to the parade run of the Italian bersagliers


        1. Bacha
          Bacha 1 March 2021 13: 36
          +2
          I wonder if they are so training to run to the front line? Or back?
        2. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 1 March 2021 16: 49
          +2
          hats are super laughing
        3. Kapkan
          Kapkan 1 March 2021 16: 59
          +1
          Better than the Americans.
  3. Horon
    Horon 1 March 2021 12: 35
    +4
    For these ... you can even keep your feet on the ground! laughing
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 March 2021 12: 48
      0
      Quote: Horon
      For these ... you can even keep your feet on the ground!

      Soon they will only crawl.
  4. RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 1 March 2021 12: 35
    0
    No matter what the child was amused ... The pans were completely crazy
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 March 2021 12: 49
      -3
      Quote: RVAPatriot
      The pans were completely crazy

      You can cook only borscht in a saucepan, but a saucepan cannot think.
      1. ksv36
        ksv36 1 March 2021 17: 37
        0
        It's just that the borscht fermented in these pans. You can try to drive out the vodka. Know how, tszat.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 1 March 2021 19: 15
          -2
          Quote: ksv36
          You can try to drive out the vodka. Know how, tszat.

          A pressure cooker won't fit on your head.
  5. Prisoner
    Prisoner 1 March 2021 12: 37
    +4
    laughing Looks like they were completely starved. There is not enough strength to lift the leg.
  6. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 1 March 2021 12: 39
    +16
    And sho us with this news? Let them walk at least with an Indian step! Does it somehow affect morale and combat capabilities?
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 1 March 2021 13: 15
      0
      Quote: Vladimir61
      And sho us with this news? Let them walk at least with an Indian step! Does it somehow affect morale and combat capabilities?

      On the outskirts - definitely affects! How it affects! The main thing is that it increases self-esteem. "We are now like THEM! We are now O-GO-GO !!!"

      What is the main thing here? Not like in Russia. At least to walk backwards - if only not like in Russia.

      Reminded ...

      - I assumed ... that the fee would probably remain, as under Mr. Temple? ..
      Alexey glanced sideways at Khramov.
      “No,” he said just in case.
      - What do you want?
      - Another, not like under Khramov ...
      1. RMT
        RMT 2 March 2021 15: 49
        +1
        But the new head of Chukotka is right, the duty was different under Khramov.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 2 March 2021 19: 15
          0
          Quote: RMT
          But the new head of Chukotka is right, the duty was different under Khramov.

          The whole point for the Outskirts (and this applies to EVERYTHING, not only the combat step) - don't give a damn what. Inside out, no, funny. "If only not like in the Temple." Without thinking, just the opposite. Under the "Soviet occupation" of the outskirts, the grass was green - so let's call this color red. Under the communists, the day began with dawn, ended with sunset - which means that now it will be the other way around. Apples will now be pears and pears will be tomatoes. The list is endless and the further you go, the funnier the modern Outskirts ...

          J. Orwell would be pleased. On the Outskirts, his 1984 was not just read like the rest of the world. There this book was perceived as a textbook and they live by it.
  7. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 1 March 2021 12: 39
    +10
    And to hell with them, let them refuse anything.
    They refuse their ancestors, from relatives and a step is so-so, a wretched aspiration.
  8. ccsr
    ccsr 1 March 2021 12: 40
    +1
    Whatever the child is amused, if only he does not fight, let the Ukrainian Armed Forces do this better than expand hostilities in the Donbass. There they will really need such a step when they will surrender ...
  9. Sovpadenie
    Sovpadenie 1 March 2021 12: 44
    -1
    But what about non-Muscovite high jumps and frogs? How high do they reach from the surface of the earth?
  10. iouris
    iouris 1 March 2021 12: 50
    +3
    Again "promoting the image", i.e. enemy propaganda. Are they enemies? By the way, why hasn't the property in Crimea been confiscated?
    1. Olkhovsky
      Olkhovsky 1 March 2021 15: 52
      +1
      By the way, why hasn't the property in Crimea been confiscated?

      It's simple. There is more Russian property in Ukraine than Ukrainian property in Crimea. If we start confiscating, we will lose even more in the end.
      1. iouris
        iouris 1 March 2021 15: 57
        +1
        You may lose. Or maybe you need to surrender in order to save?
        1. Olkhovsky
          Olkhovsky 1 March 2021 19: 38
          +2
          Or maybe you need to surrender in order to save?

          And to whom are you going to surrender?
          Personally, I have no property either in Crimea or Ukraine. I have nothing to lose in this regard
  11. dzvero
    dzvero 1 March 2021 12: 51
    +11
    It is convenient to train such a step on skis in the summer. And in pursuit - why didn't they switch to drill jumps with a dance? Angolans look cool ...
  12. Dimide
    Dimide 1 March 2021 12: 54
    0
    Well, that's right, because you don't need it.
    As I remember the drill: -pull the sock, pull ... laughing
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 1 March 2021 13: 01
      +8
      That's for sure ... We also had a standard-bearer officer of the school in our company. The best gunman. Oh, he was killing us in training! And especially for the height of the legs!
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 1 March 2021 13: 13
        +2
        Before the army I looked at the "Kremlin commendation" with admiration, after - with pity belay
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 March 2021 19: 19
        +1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Oh, he was killing us in training! And especially for the height of the leg!

        And how the Germans from the GDR went, it was nice to see. (Ours also went no worse, but in / on are no longer ours).
  13. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 1 March 2021 12: 58
    +9
    In the army, they said about such a short step: like in pants on ... ali ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 1 March 2021 13: 08
      +13
      In the IDF, there is no marching step at all.
      And it is not necessary to walk in leg.
      1. Horon
        Horon 1 March 2021 13: 21
        +5
        You also need to write an article about this and even present it as a struggle with your past? What does it matter to us how who is marching? Let them even crawl, even walk like a hopak there. To present this as a struggle with the Soviet past is somehow shallow, it is better to let them destroy everything that was built under Russia and the Soviet regime, and on these ruins they really build their purely state, without any connection with this past. That would be a great deed, and so ..., do not give a damn, not news.
        1. Avior
          Avior 1 March 2021 18: 34
          +2
          And who passes this off as a struggle against the Soviet past?
          1. Horon
            Horon 5 March 2021 13: 39
            0
            Apparently they did not read the article, they immediately went to the comments!
            The Ukrainian army seeks to get away from everything Soviet and come to NATO standards as soon as possible.

            Journalists, probably, whose interpretation ?!
            1. Avior
              Avior 5 March 2021 14: 31
              0
              Read
              but it does not say who interprets the departure from the Prussian step in this way
              On VO, it has become a bad tradition for some authors to mix quotes and other people's statements with their own, so you don't understand whether the author wrote it himself or someone else. :(
      2. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 1 March 2021 13: 50
        -4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        In the IDF, there is no marching step at all.
        And it is not necessary to walk in leg.


        Is this a peasant militia or what?
        What is the difficulty in teaching a colorful go..to shoot at the target and keep up?
        You look, he will become a man.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 1 March 2021 14: 12
          +9
          Is this a peasant militia or what?
          This is called blurt out without thinking.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 1 March 2021 14: 13
          +11
          The marching step was born precisely because the recruits were illiterate or semi-literate. They had to be taught elementary things with stick discipline.
          Israel has no problem with this. Civilized people are smart. wink
          They teach only what is required in battle.
          1. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 1 March 2021 15: 07
            +4
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The marching step was born precisely because the recruits were illiterate or semi-literate. They had to be taught elementary things with stick discipline.
            Israel has no problem with this. Civilized people are smart.
            They teach only what is required in battle.


            The Prussian army was one of the strongest in Europe.
            In the German Empire, the Prussian army formed the core of the German army (according to the constitution of 1871).
            And who drove them to Berlin in 1945 - they also understood a lot about military affairs, how to make a soldier out of a peasant.

            It is not necessary to be "smart" in the army - the army differs from the civilians by joint actions and spirit, which a "smart" person has to be educated, and drill is the first step in educating the spirit.

            In this regard, perhaps, a good example is Desmond Doss - a conscientious objector (he forbade himself, for religious reasons, to carry weapons and use them in relation to people), was appointed an orderly of the 307th Infantry Regiment of the 77th SD.
            He carried 75 wounded from the battlefield to a safe place on the Hakso ridge. He took part in the battle for Fr. Leite, Liberation of the Philippines and Battle of Okinawa - awarded the Bronze Star and the Medal of Honor. Based on real events from the life of Doss, the film "For reasons of conscience" (2016) was filmed.
            1. old man
              old man 1 March 2021 16: 10
              -2
              Why should they take them, let them think so and fight in the future? laughing
            2. Avior
              Avior 1 March 2021 18: 37
              +3
              And who drove them to Berlin in 1945

              they just didn’t do shagistiki on the parade ground.
              1. Dmitry V.
                Dmitry V. 2 March 2021 10: 52
                +1
                Quote: Avior
                they just didn’t do shagistiki on the parade ground.

                Are you serious? What country were you born in? Have you heard anything about the TRP?

                In the USSR, from school, military-patriotic education was established even before the war, most of the schoolchildren skillfully shoot and were proud of the "Voroshilovsky shooter" badges



                They knew how to perform bayonet fighting techniques and walk in formation. And this was not considered a drill - this is the beginning of the path to military unity (military rallying).
                What distinguishes a well-trained army is pre-army training.

                1. Avior
                  Avior 2 March 2021 11: 02
                  +3
                  And where did you see the shagistika in the photo?
                  Have you heard anything about the TRP?

                  I had a gold badge, if you know what I mean.
                  Have you heard about the TRP yourself? Drill training was not included in it.
            3. Marine engineer
              Marine engineer 1 March 2021 18: 59
              +1
              "And who drove them to Berlin in 1945 ..."

              The winners showed their marching step on June 24, 1945 in Moscow, and it differs from what is shown to us on Red Square every year.
          2. 113262a
            113262a 1 March 2021 17: 54
            +6
            The marching step was invented in ancient times, since the formation of infantry was necessary to protect against cavalry. First, a wedge, a pig. And so on until the invention of rapid-fire weapons. Now this is not relevant, but drill training unites the unit, makes it manageable, and a feeling of elbowing arises. Yes, and it is beautiful! Remember the CHINESE!
          3. Victor Churikov
            Victor Churikov 2 March 2021 12: 39
            +1
            Smart guy is the worst thing in battle! (for the commander)
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 March 2021 19: 20
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        In the IDF, there is no marching step at all.

        And they will not succeed.
      4. Black lotos
        Black lotos 2 March 2021 00: 22
        -1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        In the IDF, there is no marching step at all.
        And it is not necessary to walk in leg.

        a modern army is not needed for the parade. Moreover, in a country at war, there is no time for parades.
        This is a relic of the past. And someone did not play enough of the soldiers.
        In addition to tribute to tradition (and this is not necessary), this makes no sense for modern databases.
        you just got lucky initially.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 1 March 2021 13: 27
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      In the army, they said about such a short step: like in pants on ... ali ...

      The Master taught the ropes ...

      I remember the funniest parade in Latvia (walks on the Internet). He laughed as the Americans walked in that parade. We in the army did not even go to the cafeteria in such a herd ... But we must understand - though a stranger, but a parade. Although ... They just showed their "respect" and attitude. Now the skippers will also waddle around.

      The video showed that there are two in the second rank out of step. Although, I will not argue.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 March 2021 13: 45
        +11
        The Israeli army does not want to keep up and there is no combat step.
        What for? In war, this will save you from a bullet or a shrapnel?
        You need to learn how to run sparingly, how to run bent over 90 degrees, how to crawl and how to lie with your cheek to the ground. And hollow out a hundred rounds a day, for a hundred days in a row. And these classes take ALL the preparation time. Not a minute to march.
        1. Dimide
          Dimide 1 March 2021 14: 10
          +5
          And this is the right approach.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 1 March 2021 19: 23
            +2
            Quote: Dimid
            And this is the right approach.

            Does this mean the right approach in Ukraine, or what?
            1. Dimide
              Dimide 1 March 2021 19: 59
              -2
              Until the senior command staff is changed, it will be the same as your "army" ...
        2. Dmitry V.
          Dmitry V. 1 March 2021 14: 23
          -2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          What for? In war, this will save you from a bullet or a shrapnel?


          Then that the guy who is next to you keeps up and you go to reconnaissance with him and pull the wounded man out of the fire and the confidence that he will do the same to you if he hooks you.
          And that dunce who hasn’t learned to walk, how will he show himself under fire?

          All those in the army I came across with coordination problems (they did not get in the leg), or the nets or their weapons should not be trusted in any case.
          And to shoot 100 rounds a day, it was our custom since school - by the age of 14 I had a third adult rifle category (and four more from 2 classes of our stream).
          Yes, guys came from the villages with zero military training - after half a year they are quite a soldier.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 1 March 2021 14: 49
            +8
            There is not the SMALLEST connection between drill and combat training.
            Rather, the connection is inverse. The more time is wasted on useless steps,
            the less time is left for useful combat skills.
            With us, when, on the course of a young fighter, someone began to march on the march,
            the sergeant ran up: "Are you crazy? You need to walk silently. If you hear from a distance, they will kill you."
            1. Dmitry V.
              Dmitry V. 1 March 2021 15: 22
              +3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              There is not the SMALLEST connection between drill and combat training.
              Rather, the connection is inverse. The more time is wasted on useless steps,
              the less time is left for useful combat skills.


              The month of KMB is devoted to shagistics.
              If a fighter is not able to overcome a slight pain and "keep his leg" - how will he endure "hardships and hardships"? Wound? How can he carry out an order?
              You underestimate the psychology of a soldier who went through the stages of becoming a soldier.
              The Germans said so - "the spirit of the Prussian army."
              The spirit of the Russian army turned out to be stronger.

              Do you want to make a soldier out of a colorful one and so that he would not overcome such a light load as a shagistika?
              And they won't bring you food - will they scratch from the position?

              Fighting spirit is just beginning to form with shagistika. Further, an obstacle course and a march of throws on the rise - all this forms the fighting spirit.
              1. Avior
                Avior 1 March 2021 18: 56
                +2
                Lomonosov rightly wrote
                All changes occurring in nature occur in such a way that if something is added to something, then it is taken away from something else.

                the time taken by shagistika is the time taken from combat training.
                It was not those who reached Berlin who practiced drill and pulled their toes on the parade ground.
            2. Dmitry V.
              Dmitry V. 1 March 2021 15: 51
              -2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              There is not the SMALLEST connection between drill and combat training.

              The soldiers tried to persuade the officers not to remove their comrade from office, promising to "help him cope with the problem", but when the commanders did not go to meet them, they called a taxi and drove to the nearest Druze village of Majd al-Shams. From there, some went to Beit HaChayal, and some just returned home.

              A spokesman for the IDF said that the "culprit of the riot" was dismissed for systematic disobedience to the commander.

              The deserters are threatened by a trial and an army prison. The commanders of the 51st battalion are "negotiating with them." It is possible that the battalion commander or divisional commander Rasan Aliyan will remove them from their combat posts.
              Army sources emphasize that this is a very gross violation, since the unit was carrying out a combat mission on the border. At the same time, they emphasize that the fortified point did not remain bare - in addition to 14 deserters, dozens of soldiers are serving there.


              Herd.
            3. kit88
              kit88 1 March 2021 16: 16
              +15
              No guys. Today we will cancel the drill, and tomorrow we will ask ourselves a question - why do we need military uniforms? Leave the field for military operations, cancel the rest. Let everyone in civilian service go to work. This is especially true of the headquarters.
              And the military greeting? Rituals? Cancel as an anachronism! wassat
              In short, so we will quickly lose (s).
              Something must distinguish the military from the civilian. And the combat step is one of the attributes of military service.
              1. Avior
                Avior 1 March 2021 18: 44
                +1
                today he wears Adidas, and tomorrow he will sell his homeland.
                Passed it already.
                the military from the civilian is not distinguished by the Prussian marching step.
            4. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 1 March 2021 19: 27
              +1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              There is not the SMALLEST connection between drill and combat training.

              There is always a connection. Only who looks at her. Your army began in 1948, you are forgiven. And in Russia, the marching step has been a tradition since Peter the Great. And Prussia had the same tradition.
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 1 March 2021 23: 03
                -1
                The Egyptians marched dashingly in the 70s. How did it help them in the attack on Israel?
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 2 March 2021 09: 06
                  -1
                  Quote: 3danimal
                  The Egyptians marched dashingly in the 70s. How did it help them in the attack on Israel?

                  Almost, which is true, with one difference - "who in the world wanted Egypt to win this war? And who in the world wanted Israel to win?"
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal 2 March 2021 09: 27
                    +1
                    who wanted in the world for Egypt to win this war

                    USSR and all Arab countries. More than a thousand T-55 tanks and 100 newest T-62 tanks (with 115mm cannon). But the Israelites fought to the death, they had something to lose. With good preparation.
                    And they won.
                    The United States began to build a close relationship after the Yom Kippur War. IMHO, we saw a strong player in the region, and a secular state.
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                    2. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 09: 40
                      -2
                      Quote: 3danimal
                      USSR and all Arab countries.
                      Arab countries, yes, but the USSR did not want to. How much Stalin did to create you.
                      1. 3danimal
                        3danimal 2 March 2021 18: 26
                        -1
                        You know, this is very one-sided: Stalin's policy and later were somewhat different. It was the USSR that pumped up Syria and Egypt with weapons and advisers.
                        I am also an ethnic Russian and a citizen of Russia. Which does not interfere with objectivity.
                      2. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 3 March 2021 09: 55
                        0
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        It was the USSR that pumped up Syria and Egypt with weapons and advisers.

                        Yes, everything here rested on the Suez Canal, to which the Israelis reached. Then Israel realized (or who prompted), and they returned these lands to Egypt.
                      3. 3danimal
                        3danimal 3 March 2021 13: 13
                        0
                        Changing the subject: So did the Union contribute to the attack on Israel? smile
                        Then Israel realized (or who prompted), and they returned these lands to Egypt.

                        By the way, Israel quite legally appropriated these lands. Like us - the Kaliningrad region.
                        The United States offered very favorable terms and signed a peace treaty with Egypt.
                      4. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 3 March 2021 13: 50
                        0
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        The United States offered very favorable terms and signed a peace treaty with Egypt.

                        This is where it was necessary to start. Neither the USA nor the USSR wanted Suez to change hands.
      2. strannik1985
        strannik1985 1 March 2021 19: 50
        +3
        There is not the SMALLEST connection between drill

        Of course not, this is a way to quickly transport 100-200-500-1000 people on foot from point A to point B, for example, from the barracks to the canteen or to the bathhouse / club / to work. And more traditions, how can we do without them.
      3. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 2 March 2021 11: 24
        -1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        There is not the SMALLEST connection between drill and combat training.
        Rather, the connection is inverse. The more time is wasted on useless steps,
        the less time is left for useful combat skills.


        There is a direct connection in the education of the fighting spirit of the soldier and the unity of the fighting unit.
        It starts from school - most schoolchildren of our age knew how to shoot and disassemble and assemble a machine gun by the age of 14-15. They knew how to march in a 10x10 box and the best stood in the guard of honor at the Eternal Flame.
        In the army - these skills are consolidated and shagistika - this is the smallest part of the difficulties to be overcome, which will have to temper the spirit of a fighter. The first stage of military rallying.
        If you do not teach a soldier to withstand small difficulties, then what can we say about the stability of the unit as a whole.
        When I was in the USSR army, we had 2 demarches to command:
        one, when they removed from the unit a military officer whom they loved and respected for his directness and professionalism - our company commander, almost all the soldiers wrote a demand to send them to Afghanistan - they did not want to stay in the unit where the authorities were looking for their own benefit and removing unwanted professionals;
        the second is when our platoon was unjustly punished by the warrant officer io platoon com - and the platoon was typing a step on the parade ground and singing revolutionary songs contrary to the order of the immediate commander, until the unit commander figured out the issue, we didn’t take a taxi to our homes - like the brave "polished" Israeli soldiers.
        We understood what the threat of insubordination in the USSR and that only stand as one, that our platoon is a close-knit unit where everyone stands for each other.

        It is your luck that your opponents are Arabs, where they know even less about fighting spirit and fighting cohesion than the IDF.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 2 March 2021 18: 29
          -1
          It starts from school - most schoolchildren of our age knew how to shoot and disassemble and assemble a machine gun by the age of 14-15. They knew how to march in a 10x10 box and the best stood in the guard of honor at the Eternal Flame.

          Such skills are not in demand now: this makes you only an excellent target for aircraft, artillery or RPGs.
          And not everyone knew how to shoot by the age of 14-15 and generally did shoot. Here's to disassemble the machine - yes, taught.
          1. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 3 March 2021 09: 14
            +1
            Quote: 3danimal
            And not everyone knew how to shoot by the age of 14-15 and generally did shoot.


            Almost every school in the USSR had a gunsmith and a shooting gallery in the basement (we had both in our village school).
            Shooting sections at every home of the pioneers - in general, whoever had a desire, he knew how to shoot, and drive, and jump with a parachute.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 3 March 2021 13: 07
              -2
              In my city, where I studied, there was no shooting range in any school and no one was shooting. At least two more (where the parents studied) - as well. It looks like you are extrapolating personal experience to the whole world around you.
              Father, an infantry sergeant, during his entire service (around 1970) shot about 5 stores. Saving...
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 1 March 2021 17: 07
      +1
      According to your logic, the most combat units are the companies of the guard of honor? belay
      Well, they pull the socks and lift the leg up to the waist of the marching man!
      1. Raven 95
        Raven 95 1 March 2021 22: 08
        +9
        Why exaggerate too much. Translating into "modern" language - the best manager in the company is not the one with whiter shirt and cleaner shoes. However, everyone must adhere to the dress code.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 March 2021 09: 15
        0
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        According to your logic, the most combat units are the companies of the guard of honor?

        It is impossible, of course, to compare the company of the guard of honor to be compared with the battalion or combat units. Each has its own purpose. But I remember Peter when, I was already studying as a sailor, they took us in formation to the bathhouse, and it was a couple of kilometers, and a vocational school was taken there. The difference was, of course, unusual.
    4. 3danimal
      3danimal 1 March 2021 22: 28
      0
      Many for the entire service shot 2-5 shops in total.
      Then, that the guy who is next to you keeps pace and you go to reconnaissance with him and pull the wounded out of the fire and confidence

      What's the use if he shoots badly and will substitute himself under the bullets?
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 3 March 2021 10: 11
        0
        Quote: 3danimal
        What's the use if he shoots badly and will substitute himself under the bullets?


        Excuse me - the IDF is taught to clean up from the barmaley - the vast majority of the current tactical commanders of the IDF participated exclusively in clean-up operations or border skirmishes (i.e., they have combat experience against irregulars armed with small arms and grenade launchers.
        Some of the IDF fighters remember 1973 and what is the art of shelling?
        Who remembers, for a long time in "positions" they do not teach the tactical link.
        Building a fighting spirit starts small.
        Step-by-step - the first stage, marches, obstacle course, tactical exercises - incrementally.

        As you do not train a fighter - when the artillery will cover him. All his skills of "cleaning" quarters with barmaley will fly out of his head.
        The Battle of Sultan Yakub 10-11 June 1982 - an episode of the early stage of the Lebanese War. The battle was the result of the accidental infiltration of an Israeli tank unit into the Syrian deployment area. The encircled Israeli tanks could not break through for a long time, and the reserve units thrown to the rescue, in turn, could not break through the encirclement from the outside. The Syrians were in no hurry to engage in a tank battle with the Israelis and continued to fire at them from a distance and attack with infantry armed with anti-tank missiles.
        In the end, the Israeli artillery managed to form fire cover, under which most of the equipment was removed from the encirclement, but eight Israeli tanks were knocked out or abandoned by the crews and went to the Syrians. According to unofficial data, from 25 to 35 Israelis were killed, three tankers were missing. ... According to Avigdor Ben-Gal, several dozen Israeli tanks and armored personnel carriers were disabled.


        Yes, some much more "combat-ready" units - in Mosul skidded against irregular units armed with small arms, so half of the city had to be demolished. Artillery has not yet worked on them.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 3 March 2021 13: 17
          0
          Excuse me - the IDF is taught how to clean the barmaley

          You can also say about our Armed Forces - they fought only with the barmaley for the last 30 years for sure.
          Wrong.
  14. figwam
    figwam 1 March 2021 14: 27
    +3
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Israeli army does not want to keep up and there is no combat step.
    What for?

    So that the soldiers do not go in a herd! The system disciplines and develops the cohesion and collective responsibility of the military unit, "one for all - all for one."
    1. Dimide
      Dimide 1 March 2021 14: 57
      +15
      Cohesion and collective responsibility are better developed on a march across rough terrain with a "full load" for a time, where the standard is defended by the last fighter laughing
      1. figwam
        figwam 1 March 2021 16: 55
        +1
        Quote: Dimid
        produced at marsh-throws

        And you throw a march and go to the dining room?)))
        1. Dimide
          Dimide 1 March 2021 17: 46
          +1
          Are you a typing step, such as to improve digestion?
          1. figwam
            figwam 1 March 2021 19: 34
            +4
            Quote: Dimid
            Are you a typing step, such as to improve digestion?

            Yes, imagine the drill makes it easier for the commander to manage the military unit.
            1. Dimide
              Dimide 1 March 2021 19: 46
              +1
              Imagine. I think that the combatant is needed at the KMB and then for general education. So what is the use of the soldiers going to the cafeteria, walking in step or not?
              1. strannik1985
                strannik1985 1 March 2021 19: 52
                +1
                Walking faster or slower. The tempo can be set.
                1. Dimide
                  Dimide 1 March 2021 20: 05
                  -1
                  Do you need war professionals or beautiful tin soldiers?
                2. strannik1985
                  strannik1985 1 March 2021 20: 11
                  +4
                  I need to lead the battalion to the cafeteria. 300-500 people, sometimes briskly or jogging. To the bathhouse, for divorce or evening verification.
            2. figwam
              figwam 1 March 2021 20: 39
              +3
              Quote: Dimid
              What good is it to you when the soldiers walk into the dining room, stepping in step or not?

              I have already explained to you, drill is a discipline with which everything begins and without which a military unit from a single whole turns into an uncontrollable herd that does not carry out commands and where everyone is for himself.
              1. Dimide
                Dimide 1 March 2021 20: 50
                -2
                Discipline does not equal drill
              2. figwam
                figwam 1 March 2021 21: 40
                +2
                Quote: Dimid
                Discipline does not equal drill

                Your right to think so, but my opinion is the opposite.
  • three
    three 1 March 2021 16: 55
    +6
    The Israeli army? Now let's take an example from her? Servicemen, what are you talking about? With whom to take an example ?? It has been said - in formation, it means - in step, if necessary - in combatant, period. And combat training (which the comrade is so worried about above is a separate article, but even here it is not the Israelis to teach us. Maybe they will teach us to fight? "
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 1 March 2021 15: 15
    +4
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Israeli army does not want to keep up and there is no combat step.
    What for? In war, this will save you from a bullet or a shrapnel?

    You know, Alexey ( hi ) ... It is necessary to somehow distinguish between hostilities and the parade. You can, of course, boast about the absence of the Military Regulations as such, I myself served where they were more taught to move covertly through enemy territory or under fire, if I didn’t learn to move covertly well. Yes, we looked a little like the PKK in the Kremlin. Compared to them - the ragamuffin collective farmers. But on the Oath, a solemn march had to be passed. And they went to the dining room in about a formation.

    I'm not one of those warrant officers
    If you, civilians, are so smart, why don't you march in formation?
    But, being a senior sergeant himself, he was used to commanding a formation, not a herd.
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    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 March 2021 19: 41
      +4
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      But, being a senior sergeant himself, he was used to commanding a formation, not a herd.

      When a herd walks, then you look at it like a herd of cows, here no one cares about combat (as well as political preparation). And when a column of soldiers is marching at a front step, you can immediately see not a chantrop, but soldiers, soldiers who are nice to look at. And I personally do not care from the bell tower, how the soldiers of Israel walk, they have their own attitude there as armies. I often watch the 1945 Victory Parade, and I understand who made the Victory - a Soviet soldier, but not .....
      And on a good wave, a verse from a familiar song -
      There is a soldier in the city, on an unfamiliar street,
      And from the girlish smiles the whole street is bright.
      Do not be offended, girls, but the main thing for a soldier is
      So that his distant, beloved waited.

      And there are no such songs in the world, about a soldier.
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 March 2021 20: 54
    +3
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Israeli army does not want to keep up and there is no combat step.

    Let's be honest, you have no history and tradition of these attributes! We have it, as well as the countries of Europe.
    We can be proud of the parades of our ancestors in Berlin and Paris, on Red Square in 1941 and 1945. You are not, you have other reasons and reasons.
    Let me remind you that your military soldier is recommended to roll out everything he knows, for ours - this is unacceptable. I can sprinkle with examples - a shovel! We are different - this is not good and not bad. Only peoples with a "long military tradition" do not honor your approaches. However, they have always been "Jews, Jews", which, incidentally, did not prevent the same "Jews, Jews" in the armies of these states to reach certain heights and fight well.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 1 March 2021 22: 05
      +2
      Armies are full of atavisms of the past. Which lead to defeat in subsequent wars.
      Example: bright uniforms, military uniform. For centuries proud of red, blue, white
      uniforms.
      While the Boers, who cannot walk, do not have any age-old traditions and do not distinguish
      the right foot from the left did not smash the professional army of the British with their age-old traditions.
      With beautiful red uniforms, beautiful bearing, excellent shagistika.
      The British scratched their heads and spat on their famous red jackets.
      We switched to ugly khaki.
      And at the same time they remembered about machine guns.
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 2 March 2021 00: 18
      +1
      You do not have a history and tradition of these attributes
      Have you ever wondered why? And what does the captured soldier have to do with the march?
    3. Black lotos
      Black lotos 2 March 2021 00: 39
      0
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      We can be proud of the parades of our ancestors in Berlin and Paris, on Red Square in 1941 and 1945

      definitely. But it wasn't shagistics that led us to victories.
      There were many defeats, where there are also many factors. And all this was a long time ago, when there were no rapid-fire weapons (except for the Second World War). And during the Second World War, it was not the military army of 1941, with its parades and shagistika, that reached it. And a new one that was born in the crucible of this cruel war. And the armies prepared for parades and shagistika perished in the cauldrons of 1941/42 ...
      We must pay tribute to tradition and look ahead. There is no reason to arrange parades for the modern army.
      Parades during the DB end badly.
      The soldier needs to be in step with the times. And the tradition is to be where you need it, in the museum and in books.
  • Black lotos
    Black lotos 2 March 2021 00: 31
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Israeli army does not want to keep up and there is no combat step.
    What for? In war, this will save you from a bullet or a shrapnel?
    You need to learn how to run sparingly, how to run bent over 90 degrees, how to crawl and how to lie with your cheek to the ground. And hollow out a hundred rounds a day, for a hundred days in a row. And these classes take ALL the preparation time. Not a minute to march.

    even during the Crimean / Eastern War there was such a unit as scouts. So they were the most prepared unit for that war. And they did not do any shagistics and moved waddly. For which the infantry were not contemptuously perceived. But they fired and moved the best.
    Likewise, in the Crimean and RYaV sailors, too, were not particularly engaged in shagistics. But they fought well as infantry, because they were more individually trained. Educated and tech-savvy. Not bound by all sorts of infantry loads in the form of a formation, a step, and so on.
    The need for a dense formation then transformed this formation into a parade. Tradition-since
    Oh, how, because of the traditions, the English flew in ... those are still snobs and lovers of traditions. Cleaner than Russian.
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  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 1 March 2021 13: 02
    +1
    Here are funny little people ... "As musicians did not sit down, but they were not suitable for orchestra" ©. Let them adopt the style of the guard on the India-Pakistan border. Though funny to the audience ...
  • cniza
    cniza 1 March 2021 13: 18
    +4
    To date, the Estonian and Kazakh armies have abandoned the Prussian step, and now Ukraine has joined them.


    So on health, you can walk on tiptoe ...
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 1 March 2021 20: 51
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      you can walk on tiptoe ...

      Tiptoeing is ballet winked

      Welcome hi
      1. cniza
        cniza 1 March 2021 21: 08
        +2
        Good time! hi

        If it’s fast, then it’s ballet, but since they’re this cowardly retreat ... lol
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 1 March 2021 21: 11
          +2
          I repent.
          I acknowledge my guilt, measure, degree, depth.
          and ask me to send to the next war.
          no war?
          I’ll accept everything, exile, hard labor, prison.
          but preferably in July, and preferably in the Crimea. crying
  • izGOI
    izGOI 1 March 2021 13: 19
    +2
    They will start pacing like the Greeks in front of their parliament.
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 1 March 2021 13: 21
    +2
    Steel is five centimeters closer to Europe! Tse peremoga!
  • Freeman
    Freeman 1 March 2021 13: 24
    0
    It is noted that the new combat step will be demonstrated already during the military parade on the occasion of the 30th anniversary of Ukraine's independence, which will be held on August 24, 2021 in Kiev. In this regard, the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began training in a new combat step, and in a separate presidential regiment "named after hetman Bohdan Khmelnitsky" held a demonstration lesson according to the methodology for preparing personnel for this event, taking into account innovations.

    "Presidential regiment", they have been marching with such a step at least since 2010.
    Now the whole army is being transferred.
    To the background
  • svp67
    svp67 1 March 2021 13: 33
    +3
    Well, they refuse and let them refuse ... Still, now all Soviet weapons were written off and it would be good for everyone
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 1 March 2021 13: 40
    +1
    during the marching step, raise the leg by only 10-15 cm, and not 15-20, as it was before
    well now the military power of Sumeria will take off
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 1 March 2021 13: 54
    0
    Here is one more step towards the "fighting hopak" .. It remains only in three steps to introduce a turn of 360 degrees and they will be happy ..
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 1 March 2021 20: 58
      +2
      Quote: Angry 55
      Here's another step towards the "fighting hopak" ..

      We will also invent a combat lezginka, a combat "lady" or a combat "Komarinsky" with a combat "round dance" and lambada laughing
    2. Black lotos
      Black lotos 2 March 2021 00: 42
      0
      Quote: Angry 55
      "fighting hopak".

      so this is a dance.
      There is true horting, saved and belt fight.
      It's better to cosplay with dancing laughing true without elephants.
  • Growlers
    Growlers 1 March 2021 13: 57
    +1
    I remember a joke about a brothel that does not give profit and a bed
  • pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru 1 March 2021 14: 27
    +1
    In fact, the "Prussian step" is a ceremonial one, the presidential regiment is marching with it, the leg is raised to a right angle with the body. And the step that we marched in the army (15 ... 20 cm) is ours, not Prussian.
  • Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 1 March 2021 14: 48
    +1
    Just think: the "Ukrainian" army has abandoned the "Prussian step" used in the "Russian" army.
    The soldier must learn the military business, bringing to mastery and automatism the skills necessary in real tactical combat. The officers should be responsible for the strategy, and for the beautiful walk of the model. The Prussian step is an anachronism, the beginning of which comes from "pathetic" regiments and ends with the transition from the use of columns to loose combat.
    A friend's son participated in the victory parade on Red Square, from the year of service 5 months drill on the parade ground and training in the drill step. As a result, pride in the guy, a beautiful parade and zero unit value in a real battle.
    The second is a similar story with the employee's grandson: instead of a first year at a military academy and an increase in intelligence, which is necessary for a future officer, six months are the same drills - but pride to tears and memory for a lifetime. I would also refuse. You can leave them in the adjustable shelves for show to tourists, but HOW does this affect the real combat readiness of a soldier?
  • Gregory Charnota
    Gregory Charnota 1 March 2021 15: 10
    +1
    and which one did they adopt as in African countries with waving their hands in different directions?
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 1 March 2021 15: 11
    +1
    And let them leave the step. The further all, Ukraine leaves us, the better. Tired of the backbone.
  • Ascold1901
    Ascold1901 1 March 2021 16: 07
    0
    Well .... Now - the complete and unconditional surrender of Russia!)))
    They are rehearsing a parade on Red Square!))) Someone has already somehow also prepared for such a parade ....))))
  • Andrey1966
    Andrey1966 1 March 2021 17: 06
    +1
    They are going to receive the anticoid vaccine from India. Maybe they will take a step?
  • Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 1 March 2021 17: 08
    0
    Without any doubt, THIS will adequately strengthen and significantly strengthen the defenses of the independent ... laughing With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 1 March 2021 17: 16
    +1
    Is this the same problem with the APU? Greeks do not care about the height of the rise of the naga
    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 2 March 2021 13: 19
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Is this the same problem with the APU? Greeks do not care about the height of the rise of the naga

      It is warm in Greece, there you can change the guard and do it for days, to the delight of tourists and onlookers ... laughing
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 2 March 2021 17: 56
        0
        Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
        It is warm in Greece, there you can change the guard and do it for days, to the delight of tourists and onlookers ..

        Did they take an example from this scalded robot? C 6,05 laughing laughing lol
  • Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 1 March 2021 17: 35
    +4
    Yes, and take off the dog! What news ...
  • tochila
    tochila 1 March 2021 17: 52
    0
    And you, friends, no matter how you sit down - all are not suitable for musicians !!!! (Krylov is a fabulist)
  • kimlykvp
    kimlykvp 1 March 2021 18: 06
    0
    Another peremoga over the Muscovites!
  • mark1969
    mark1969 1 March 2021 19: 26
    +1
    Our army has made such a step across Germany more than once!
  • mark1969
    mark1969 1 March 2021 19: 30
    +1
    And I also went to Europe, they began to forget.
  • mark1969
    mark1969 1 March 2021 19: 32
    +2
    And our people walked around Berlin more than once ...
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 1 March 2021 21: 07
    +1
    Well ... the ceremonial step ... everyone happens! There are plenty to choose from! For example, this ... very garnishing for the country!
  • garik77
    garik77 1 March 2021 21: 27
    0
    When the cat has nothing to do, well, then you yourself know ... laughing
  • Bauer
    Bauer 1 March 2021 22: 56
    +1
    Great news, against the backdrop of other disastrously successful reforms.
  • Torpedo driver
    Torpedo driver 2 March 2021 03: 25
    0
    pan-heads are in shock, look sick at this shit !!! am
  • Vdi73
    Vdi73 2 March 2021 07: 55
    +1
    Yes, let the pan-heads walk at a goose-step, imbitsils and jesters.
  • thinking
    thinking 2 March 2021 10: 08
    0
    It's high time, like Americans - to walk like a duck! wink
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 2 March 2021 10: 28
    -1
    Well, now they are invincible!
  • certero
    certero 2 March 2021 12: 34
    -1
    Probably, this is the only thing that I would support as reforms in our army.
  • wow
    wow 2 March 2021 16: 48
    0
    And instead of "cotton" stew, condoms, a set of women's underwear and an intimate lubricant should be put in the NZ for ukrovoinov. Those. will come close to NATO "standards".
  • smihko
    smihko 3 March 2021 05: 25
    0
    This should be understood as zrada or something else?
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 3 March 2021 06: 32
    -2
    The Prussian step seems beautiful because it depersonalizes the soldier. This is not a human gait, but an imitation of robots when there are hinges instead of joints. A person in normal life does not stretch his socks and does not raise his legs by 20 cm. Therefore, it takes so much time to retrain a soldier from a normal step to this inhuman walk. rejection of the Prussian heritage is completely natural, a soldier must shoot accurately, be strong and enduring, and the ability to walk with a Prussian step will be useful to him in a real battle like an umbrella to a fish.
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 3 March 2021 07: 06
    +1
    Abandoned the Prussian stride and replaced it with a star-striped stride laughing soldier
  • K-50
    K-50 3 March 2021 08: 31
    +1
    Soon "pregnant cuttlefish" will crawl. fellow