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NATO is looking for the reason for the rapid defeat of the Polish army from the "mock enemy" at the headquarters exercises

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NATO continues to analyze the largest headquarters exercises since 1989, unsuccessful for the Polish army, in this country and look for the reason for the rapid defeat.


Recall that in the course of these exercises, Polish generals had to create an effective defense system against a mock enemy, hold him back, and then, by taking into account the forces of the allies in Poland, launch a counteroffensive and inflict defeat on this very “mock enemy”.

In total, the Polish troops, with the support of the allies, had to carry out the "defeat of the enemy" on the 22nd day from the beginning of the operation. However, the matter never came to support from the allies. The authors of the script of the Polish headquarters exercises drove the conditionally fighting Polish troops into a situation in which the enemy went to the capital of the country - Warsaw on the fifth day, taking it into the ring. At the same time, the "conditional enemy" took control of almost all the key ports of the country, effectively blocking the very possibility for the arrival of NATO reinforcements by sea, as reported by the Polish press.

Following the results of the exercises, Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak, who watched their progress, allowed himself a streamlined phrase, which, nevertheless, says a lot: "We need to train more ..." Polish officials from the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff did not give other comments to journalists , traditionally referring to the "secret component of the headquarters exercises."

Now there is information that the outright failure of the Polish generals is being discussed in NATO structures. The alliance is trying to determine the key moment, after which the exercises went according to an "unplanned scenario", which ultimately led to "the defeat of the Polish army from a conventional enemy."

The opinion was expressed that the strategic mistake of the Polish command, involved in the exercises, was "the transfer of an excessive number of troops to the Suwalki corridor."


Marked the approximate area of ​​the greatest concentration of Polish troops according to the plans of the headquarters exercises

In Poland and the Baltic countries, they constantly say that it is in this direction that the threat from Russia and Belarus looks the most obvious. At the same time, "the rear and flanks were stripped," where the Polish command "was awaiting the arrival of reinforcements in the form of an amphibious assault by NATO partners." We are talking about the ports - Gdansk and Gdynia.

The only thing that we managed to "keep" was the port of Swinoujscie (Swinoujscie), where a large terminal for receiving liquefied natural gas is located.

The "conditional enemy" simply did not engage in clashes with the Polish forces in the area of ​​the cities of Augustow and Suwalki, and, having concentrated his forces in his northern and southwestern directions, achieved success with a quick dash.

In other words, they lost to the “conditional adversary” even on paper, which served as barbs from the Polish military experts: “If it had been for real, it would have turned out even worse than in September 1939”.

In such a situation, the Polish command is expected to reorganize "defensive logistics", achieve a more coordinated transfer of troops, and ensure close interaction between the branches of the armed forces and subunits.

Apparently, Poland will now be unable to do without another increase in military spending in order to "meet the expectations of NATO partners," who were not impressed by the military prowess of Polish generals.
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Polish Ministry of Defense
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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR 28 February 2021 14: 05
    +15
    The diapers of the wrong system were delivered ... wassat
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 28 February 2021 14: 09
      +11
      "We need to train more ..." or grenades from the wrong system. The Abrams and Leopards did not give a ride. Somehow it became sad to the warriors from NATO. Apparently the army in Poland is now commercial. Only the gas terminal was protected.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 28 February 2021 14: 14
        +12
        In total, the Polish troops, with the support of the allies, had to carry out the "defeat of the enemy" on the 22nd day from the beginning of the operation. However, the matter never came to support from the allies. The authors of the script of the Polish headquarters exercises drove the conditionally fighting Polish troops into a situation in which the enemy went to the capital of the country - Warsaw on the fifth day, taking it into the ring. At the same time, the "conditional enemy" took control of almost all the key ports of the country, effectively blocking the very possibility for the arrival of NATO reinforcements by sea, as reported by the Polish press.

        It's okay. They are Poles. laughing
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 28 February 2021 14: 50
          +6
          The reason is simple: just zholnezhs, generals and the army as a whole have a "wrong system"! laughing
          1. aleks neym_2
            aleks neym_2 28 February 2021 18: 19
            +2
            What are you all thinking: "the wrong system"! They have a gray matter "of the wrong caliber" - they break away from the Union, but to Geyrope through ... it is impossible to climb on a fool ...
          2. Temples
            Temples 28 February 2021 18: 20
            +8
            The fact that the Poles will lie down within five days is a fact that does not raise doubts even among the Poles. wassat

            It remains to understand who will put them on cancer this time.

            Since anti-missile missiles are installed in Poland against Iran and the DPRK, the Persians or Koreans will bend the Poles. wassat

            The Anglo-Saxons know how the Persians and Koreans will get to Poland. After all, it was the English-speakers who set up a missile defense system in Poland against Iran and the DPRK. wink laughing
        2. hirurg
          hirurg 28 February 2021 15: 15
          +8
          In total, the Polish troops, with the support of the allies, had to carry out the "defeat of the enemy" on the 22nd day from the beginning of the operation.
          Their history teaches nothing. They jump and jump on a rake.
          1. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 28 February 2021 18: 03
            +6
            Now they dreamed of sharing the world with the German fascists with the American fascists that then they ended up in the occupation that now, no one takes this bug as an equal, everyone uses it as a G.N.D.O.N. and throws it away.
        3. alexmach
          alexmach 28 February 2021 19: 59
          +5
          It's okay. They are Poles. laughing

          This is actually a workout. training is recognized to give experience, and they got it.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 28 February 2021 14: 40
        +12
        Actually - what did they expect? Judging by the map, the logs were voluntarily concocted for themselves the classic Cannes .. The mass of troops in the center and the weak flanks. What else could be the result, if of course the opponent is not a full down ??
        1. figwam
          figwam 28 February 2021 17: 06
          +3
          This means that NATO will strengthen the flank in the Polish direction, because they will not have time to transfer the troops within 5 days, we will soon hear news about the transfer of another unit to Poland.
          1. Romario_Argo
            Romario_Argo 28 February 2021 18: 25
            +1
            because the troops will not have time to redeploy within 5 days

            not so, everything is more difficult, you need to be able to transfer at least a battalion in 2 hours for 50 km., on its own at an average speed of 35 km / h. - do not know how (!)
            And they need police escort, approvals, the resource of roads and equipment is kept standing idle while waiting for platforms
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 28 February 2021 21: 19
          +3
          Mass of troops in the center and weak flanks. What else could have been the result ...
          belay Pancake! Yes, they still have "linear" tactics !!! In give !!!! Maybe they haven’t heard anything about a mobile war without a continuous front line !?
          Where are the mobile army groups, reserves, aviation and other gadgets? am
          Why weren't you able to parry flank attacks? Where is the fire interaction ... angry
          Oh, you hoped for allies ... And 1939 was not enough for you? fool
          There's England and Storage ... already ... uh! how menacingly they deigned to speak in the loudspeaker ... They even declared war on Adik ... This is the second question why they themselves did not go to it ... stop
          And how menacing it was !!!! They already called the war STRANGE ... This is not for you khukhry-khukhry, you know ... But solid Mukhry-khukhry, in kind ... with a view of Dunkirk! further ... so .... train ... bye. surrender ... bully
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 28 February 2021 23: 34
            +1
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            What else could have been the result ...

            If we proceed from the military "successes" of Poland over the past few centuries, the result is logical. I don’t understand at all what they were hoping for, even if a computer model wrote out defeat on all fronts.
        3. Eroma
          Eroma 2 March 2021 23: 51
          0
          I think it's not only about the disposition of the troops hi they are stupidly lacking in strength, they wanted to meet us in the most expected place from their point of view, with the whole mass of troops, and they were bypassed along the flanks lol but if they stretch along the border with a ruler, we stupidly pierce them where we need angry they are weak and that's all, and our army from the Baltic to the eastern seas is the strongest soldier
      3. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 28 February 2021 15: 35
        +3
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Only the gas terminal was protected.

        So in fact the gas is amersky and apparently has not yet been paid for.
        So they defended the master's good laughing
      4. PSih2097
        PSih2097 28 February 2021 20: 07
        +5
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Abrams and Leopards didn't give a ride

        they have already been told to buy abrams, because it is expensive to bring back ...
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 28 February 2021 14: 09
      +9
      where the Polish command "was expecting the approach of reinforcements in the form of amphibious assault by NATO partners"

      So where were the faithful NATO partners? So it is their fault that the Poles lost! wassat
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 28 February 2021 14: 16
        +25
        Quote: Egoza
        So where were the faithful NATO partners? So it is their fault that the Poles lost!

        Conducted "shadow boxing" ... Shadow won by knockout! laughing
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 28 February 2021 15: 18
          +6
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: Egoza
          So where were the faithful NATO partners? So it is their fault that the Poles lost!

          Conducted a "shadow boxing" ... Shadow won by knockout! laughing

          The best comment !!! good drinks hi
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 28 February 2021 15: 37
          +5
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Shadow won by knockout!

          In the first round laughing
        3. Ercog
          Ercog 1 March 2021 05: 18
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          So where were the faithful NATO partners? So it is their fault that the Poles lost!
          Conducted "shadow boxing" ... Shadow won by knockout! laughing

          This is yes. It was only in the role of a "shadow" that there were "loyal (more correctly, the main) partners in NATO" - the States. American officers "played" for Russia in the exercises. And they are certainly "to blame" for the Polish loss. By knockout.
        4. Runway
          Runway 1 March 2021 06: 41
          +1
          The question is who "fought" for the "shadow". The command post was carried out by the Poles themselves - they "held" the Kaliningrad direction, and received it from the side of Belarus. Belarusians need to think about the results of these CSUs.
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    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 28 February 2021 14: 32
      +4
      Yes, the barking of the meadows at Russia will come out through the fifth point. I understand that they conditionally fought against us for these 22 days? More precisely, they planned it at their headquarters? But what about the Vukrii army, did not help the neighbors, did not take on part of the blow to the genitals, lol that is, did you not breastfeed in defense of "European values"?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 28 February 2021 15: 40
        +3
        Quote: Thrifty
        that is, did you not breastfeed in defense of "European values"?

        These breasts did not fit "European values" lol
    4. EDWARD
      EDWARD 28 February 2021 16: 52
      +10
      I think the whole thing is in mentality .. not warriors, and not fighters these paths .. but windbags!
  2. frruc
    frruc 28 February 2021 14: 05
    +4
    The conclusions were drawn from the prompting of American generals - they spend not enough money on weapons, more is needed.
  3. Destiny
    Destiny 28 February 2021 14: 07
    +12
    The only thing that we managed to "keep" was the port of Swinoujscie (Swinoujscie), where a large terminal for receiving liquefied natural gas is located.

    O. this is the most important thing. You can say we defended it. Victory. The capital with the "Suvalka corridor" is the little things of life, the main thing is that the Americans will be able to bring liquefied gas.
    1. SaLaR
      SaLaR 28 February 2021 14: 12
      +10
      They just forgot about the Iskander ... Boo-boo ... and there is no terminal ... good
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 28 February 2021 14: 13
      +5
      Why take it if you can hit the terminal. I wonder if LNG explodes immediately or burns out gradually?
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 28 February 2021 14: 19
        +7
        Quote: sergey32
        Why take it if you can hit the terminal. I wonder if LNG explodes immediately or burns out gradually?

        Logically, first, the first Iskander makes a gap in the terminal, then the gas "creeps" - and then it will be enough to launch a Chinese firecracker there, so that it would blow so much that there would be no dust left from the port wassat tongue laughing
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 28 February 2021 14: 25
          +4
          I hope the GSh has accurate calculations on how to effectively strike the tanks first, and then the well-spread gas.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 28 February 2021 14: 32
            +4
            Quote: sergey32
            I hope the GSh has accurate calculations on how to effectively strike the tanks first, and then the well-spread gas.

            As for the containers, I think there are already plans drinks
            And "for a well-spread gas" a spark is enough fellow If the flour explodes at the mill so that nothing remains of the village ... repeat then from the terminal ...))))))))))) together with the city and the suburbs wassat
            1. sergey32
              sergey32 28 February 2021 14: 46
              +3
              Don't tell me. Any motorist will confirm to you that the spark should be on time, when the mixture is neither rich nor poor.
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 28 February 2021 14: 57
                +4
                Quote: sergey32
                Don't tell me. Any motorist will confirm to you that the spark should be on time, when the mixture is neither rich nor poor.

                On the one hand, you are right good I confirm as a repeated winner of all kinds of chemical Olympiads. repeat

                On the other hand, here is just for you a DOUBLE explosion of just caked saltpeter in Beirut:



                On the fingers - at first the first "bag" of saltpeter was banged, then the suspension of saltpeter "spread" through the air - and then there was such a gasp ... crying
                1. sergey32
                  sergey32 28 February 2021 15: 04
                  +3
                  Yes, convincingly ...
                2. sergey32
                  sergey32 28 February 2021 16: 26
                  +3
                  Specifically asked:
                  "The danger of ignition of methane-air mixtures in confined spaces is well known from the consequences of accidents in coal mines. Explosions of methane mixtures in confined spaces lead to a sevenfold increase in pressure. There were no methane explosions in free space. It has been experimentally established that even highly heated bodies are not able to ignite the methane-air mixture ..... Cryogenic storage temperatures of LNG impede the combustion reaction processes. The constructive solution of cryogenic equipment - insulation of tanks, pipelines, fittings, etc. - is protection in emergency situations accompanied by fire. This is the indisputable advantage of LNG over CNG and petroleum fuels. "Https://tesiaes.ru/?p=7956
                  So we hope in vain.
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 28 February 2021 17: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: sergey32
                    Specifically asked:
                    ...
                    So we hope in vain.

                    Once again - "on the fingers" good
                    1. The missile / bomb / projectile penetrates the protective shell of the terminal
                    2. Gas begins to boil and leave the tank
                    3. When a certain concentration of gas is created in the air, nothing will remain from the city with the suburbs. wassat

                    Well, if the simplest example - look at YouTube how gas cylinders explode - the same impressive action)))
                    1. sergey32
                      sergey32 28 February 2021 17: 34
                      +3
                      Read the site to which I gave the link above. "There were no cases of methane explosions in free space. It has been experimentally established that even highly heated bodies are not able to ignite a methane-air mixture.."
                      Propane tanks and LNG tanks are two different things. And methane is lighter than air, it evaporates when it evaporates, while propane spreads below.
                      Yours faithfully, hi
                      1. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 28 February 2021 18: 07
                        +2
                        Quote: sergey32
                        Read the site to which I gave the link above. "There were no cases of methane explosions in free space. It has been experimentally established that even highly heated bodies are not able to ignite a methane-air mixture.."
                        Propane tanks and LNG tanks are two different things. And methane is lighter than air, it evaporates when it evaporates, while propane spreads below.
                        Yours faithfully, hi

                        Let's go soooo! hi drinks
                        If you know how to write, let's act as Co-Authors of an article on what will happen to the LNG terminal if only 1 (Adyn) shell / bomb / rocket hits it and "knocks down" the cooling system - I will give you scientifically proven facts, and You yourself write an article (with my consultation) how many Hiroshima and Nagasaki are there together in this city? If it's just stupid to turn off the cooling system ... You don't even need a spark belay repeat

                        Yours faithfully, hi
                      2. sergey32
                        sergey32 28 February 2021 18: 27
                        +1
                        Appreciated your offer hi But I'm afraid my preparation in this matter is not enough. But given "[iMixed methane with air in open space will not detonate. Low temperatures of LNG existence impose increased safety requirements when handling it. It is necessary to remember this in order to exclude frostbite and other negative consequences. "I believe that initially the surrounding area will freeze properly, and if you add a light, then there will be something similar to a fire at a tank farm, but without explosions.
                        PS I’ll probably think about purchasing an LNG car in the future, when we have the appropriate infrastructure.
                      3. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 28 February 2021 19: 11
                        0
                        Quote: sergey32
                        Appreciated your offer hi But I'm afraid my preparation in this matter is not enough. But given "[iMixed methane with air in open space will not detonate. Low temperatures of LNG existence impose increased safety requirements when handling it. It is necessary to remember this in order to exclude frostbite and other negative consequences. "I believe that initially the surrounding area will freeze properly, and if you add a light, then there will be something similar to a fire at a tank farm, but without explosions.
                        PS I’ll probably think about purchasing an LNG car in the future, when we have the appropriate infrastructure.

                        Okay))) just google what will happen to a hundred thousand tons of liquefied gas under a pressure of 600 atmospheres if the container explodes;) when there is no cooling)))
                      4. sergey32
                        sergey32 28 February 2021 19: 29
                        +1
                        "In the tanks filled with LNG, an overpressure of up to 1,0 MPa is maintained, which excludes the penetration of air into them and the formation of fire-hazardous mixtures ... To reduce the pressure in emergency situations, safety valves and bursting discs must be installed on the equipment."
                        It seems to me that Hiroshima on the terminal itself is hardly guaranteed to happen. It will be necessary to strike again.
                      5. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 28 February 2021 19: 31
                        +1
                        Let's go further in PM if there is a desire wink Otherwise we will be banned for spam)))
                      6. sergey32
                        sergey32 28 February 2021 19: 57
                        +1
                        Yes, actually, why should they ban us? We are having a discussion about the sufficiency of the order of forces and means to destroy the enemy object, which is discussed in the article, if necessary. I am for keeping in mind the likelihood of a second strike by Iskander, Caliber, aircraft missile ...
                        PS it's good that my daughters don't read this. They already consider me a complete militarist.
                      7. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 28 February 2021 20: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: sergey32
                        Yes, actually, why should they ban us? We are having a discussion about the sufficiency of the order of forces and means to destroy the enemy object, which is discussed in the article, if necessary. I am for keeping in mind the likelihood of a second strike by Iskander, Caliber, aircraft missile ...
                        PS it's good that my daughters don't read this. They already consider me a complete militarist.

                        Ha!!! )))
                        1. If you carefully "taste" the Rules - we have already earned an easy one by 1 warning)))) Advice - re-read the Rules repeat tongue drinks
                        2. Unfortunately, I have only two shortcomings in life (some believe that a million - but you DO NOT !!! believe it !!! laughing )
                        2.1. I was born in the wrong place, and at the wrong time;)
                        2.2. I have an "excellent student's complex" - I do not "drive hack" repeat Specifically, if according to the article - and according to the terminal - just believe that everything that I have said, "is the truth, only the truth and nothing but the truth." good soldier

                        Oh yeah ... I have problems with the Russian language and the literature since birth))) I can't get it right from the FIRST time to convey my thought ... crying
          2. Alexander Seklitsky
            Alexander Seklitsky 28 February 2021 18: 45
            +1
            Quote: sergey32
            Read the site to which I gave the link above. “There have been no methane explosions in free space.

            Google about the methane explosion in the USSR when two trains were scattered from
            gas explosion, which accumulated as a result of a gas pipeline break.
            Propane tanks and LNG tanks are two different things.
            Propane is liquefied natural gas, and methane is just natural volatile gas
  • Constanty
    Constanty 28 February 2021 14: 51
    +4
    This terminal is so illuminated at night that a blind man would hit him, ideal target recourse
  • rocket757
    rocket757 28 February 2021 14: 15
    0
    To discuss this ... no, no, it makes no sense!
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 28 February 2021 14: 22
    +1
    Shlyakhtichs - they are such gentry ... repeat even when thunder breaks out, they do not cross)))
    "Studying, studying and studying ..." (c) V. I. Lenin needs them ... and not communism, but "thinking"))) and moderate their ambitions, but think more with their heads good
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 28 February 2021 14: 24
    +2
    Prankish Monkey, Donkey, Yes, Clubfoot Bear
    They started to play the Quartet.
    We got notes, bass, viola, two violins
    And sat on a meadow under sticky -
    Captivate your art light.
    Hit in the bows, tear, but no sense.
    “Wait, brothers, wait!” The Monkey shouts. “Wait a minute!”
    How do the music go? After all, you are not sitting like that.
    You with the bass, Misha, sit down against the viola,
    I, prima, will sit against the second;
    Then the music will not be the same:
    We will dance the forest and mountains! "
    Settled, started the Quartet;
    He is still in tune with her.
    "Wait, I found a secret, -
    Donkey screams, - we really get along,
    If we sit next to him. "
    They obeyed the Donkey: sat down decorously in a row,
    Still, the Quartet neydet fret.
    Here more than ever they went to the analysis
    And the debate about who and how to sit.
    Nightingale happened to fly their noise.
    Here, asking everything to him, so that they can be solved by doubt:
    "Perhaps, they say, take patience for an hour,
    To Quartet in order our lead:
    And we have notes, and we have instruments;
    Just tell us how to sit down! "-
    "To be a musician, skill is needed
    And your ears are poorer,
    The Nightingale answers them. -
    And you, friends, no matter how you sit down,
    Everybody's not good at musicians. "

    Moral Fables Quartet
    And you, friends, no matter how you sit down,
    Everyone is not good at musicians.
    1. Cockroach Zee
      Cockroach Zee 28 February 2021 14: 35
      +4
      Prankish Monkey, Donkey, Yes, Clubfoot Bear
      They started to play the Quartet.

      The quartet does not work without the Kozel)
  • Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 28 February 2021 14: 27
    +2
    American hawks, continue to whip up anti-Soviet hysteria for the sake of the military-industrial complex! And at the expense of Polish taxpayers, the military budget will be increased! How old and cute!
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 28 February 2021 14: 41
      +1
      American hawks continue to whip up anti-Soviet hysteria for the sake of the military-industrial complex!

      What kind of military-industrial complex? What are you talking about? Failures in command and control of troops. The task formulated at NATO headquarters clearly indicates that the LDP is being modeled without the main NATO members, i.e. with the hands of pshek and dill.
    2. Viktor Afanasev
      Viktor Afanasev 28 February 2021 16: 20
      0
      Quite right, but not only that. It is also important that the countries of Europe "realize" that they cannot live without the US "big brother", otherwise the "huge bear" Russia will tear them apart ...
      We are like a scarecrow for the United States - to scare Europe. There is both political and economic benefit to Uncle Sam ...
      Although any adequately thinking person understands that it is simply unrealistic for us to seize Poland. To defeat the army, yes, but to occupy and hold it has no sense ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 28 February 2021 20: 06
        +1
        Quote: Viktor Afanasev
        Although any adequately thinking person understands that it is simply unrealistic for us to seize Poland.

        Not "unreal", but "unprofitable". The difference is dramatic.
        1. Viktor Afanasev
          Viktor Afanasev 28 February 2021 21: 20
          +1
          I wrote further what exactly I meant. Not to WIN (which is real) but to occupy and hold by force. It would take much more resources than defeating 3-5 divisions ... Controlling a large territory with> 90% of the population against and 100% of the World community against is very costly in all aspects.
          And it makes no sense. Read the entire text yes
          1. Alf
            Alf 28 February 2021 21: 23
            +2
            Quote: Viktor Afanasev
            And it makes no sense.

            Absolutely agree !
            Quote: Viktor Afanasev
            100% of the world community against -

            And when was this very "community" FOR Russia? The question is rhetorical ...
            1. Viktor Afanasev
              Viktor Afanasev 28 February 2021 21: 33
              +1
              Russia has only two allies, the Army and the Navy drinks soldier
              1. Alf
                Alf 28 February 2021 21: 46
                +3
                Quote: Viktor Afanasev
                Russia has only two allies, the Army and the Navy drinks soldier

                The country's long history proves that this is the only way.
  • Ugochaves
    Ugochaves 28 February 2021 14: 35
    +1
    The Poles would have sat on the p. Ne exactly and did not shine. And on the cards, let them fight, you look like this and win someone, and it doesn't hurt so much to lose fool
    1. Alf
      Alf 28 February 2021 20: 09
      +3
      Quote: UgoChaves
      And on the maps, let them fight, you look so someone and win,

  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 28 February 2021 14: 38
    +1
    Because psheki repeat
  • Constanty
    Constanty 28 February 2021 14: 47
    +2
    Promotion not for competence and merit, but for loyalty to the ruling party, suppression of people with initiative and determination - these are the reasons for the fall of the Polish army.

    We are again "Silni, Zwarci i Gotowi", again parades, loud statements, and after all, no one is preparing for war.

    Maybe it's better - the war will be fast and there will be fewer casualties before we surrender.
  • cniza
    cniza 28 February 2021 14: 57
    +2
    The only thing that we managed to "keep" was the port of Swinoujscie (Swinoujscie), where a large terminal for receiving liquefied natural gas is located.


    Oh yes, the USA amused themselves with this ...
    1. Viktor Afanasev
      Viktor Afanasev 28 February 2021 15: 54
      -1
      The motto of the Polish army is "We will surrender our homeland, the American terminal will never be! Let's turn on the gas!"
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 28 February 2021 15: 03
    +1
    Were they not deliberately lost .. For the increase in expenses must be justified by something ..
    1. Viktor Afanasev
      Viktor Afanasev 28 February 2021 15: 52
      +2
      What would they have done if not for Russia ... Probably, the army would not have grown more than a company ... laughing
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 February 2021 18: 56
      +4
      I think no. But the teachings were useful, real.
      Not cap-like.
      Based on their results, a different deployment of troops will be adopted,
      more careful.
      1. Metallurg_2
        Metallurg_2 28 February 2021 19: 58
        +1
        Closer to the border, so that you can screw over the cordon, as in 1939.
      2. Quadro
        Quadro 28 February 2021 20: 17
        -5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        I think no. But the teachings were useful, real.
        Not cap-like.
        Based on their results, a different deployment of troops will be adopted,
        more careful.

        Well, from Israel, you know better where the capo exercises are and where they are not. I look with logic, everything is sad, because the teachings are not held for victory slogans, but the guest and Israel have their own universe
  • bar
    bar 28 February 2021 15: 07
    0
    Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak ... allowed himself a streamlined phrase, which nevertheless says a lot: "We need to train more ..."

    Yeah, first, let them practice on cats a little more. laughing
  • realist
    realist 28 February 2021 15: 08
    +2
    lose the war on your soil in your command post exercises! it's a fiasco. although from the point of view of the military, this is probably a good reason to tell the government "give money"
    1. Dude
      Dude 1 March 2021 00: 17
      0
      What to do? This has happened in history. Pavlov lost to Zhukov, for example. That's what teachings are for learning.
  • kit88
    kit88 28 February 2021 15: 20
    +8
    Still I do not understand, with whom were they "at war" there?
    And who were going to "defeat on day 22"?
    As I understand it, with Batka, because the second option is to defeat the Russian Federation, it looks somehow frivolous, I would say just ridiculous.
    1. Viktor Afanasev
      Viktor Afanasev 28 February 2021 15: 51
      -1
      With Old Man, it's also funny. Polish troops will be led by panochka T (tse) Ikhanovskaya on a white horse laughing
  • Pereira
    Pereira 28 February 2021 15: 22
    +2
    The Poles are in vain.
    First, the reason for the defeat is a software error. The comma in the odds was put in the wrong place.
    Secondly, defeat can always be challenged in an international court. I have not the slightest doubt that the court will award the victory to Poland and the payment of the indemnity to Russia.
  • Viktor Afanasev
    Viktor Afanasev 28 February 2021 15: 48
    -1
    The whole essence of these "teachings" and secret unclassified results in
    Apparently Poland is now cannot do without another increase in military spendingto "meet the expectations of NATO partners" who were not impressed by the military prowess of the Polish generals.

    It is clear to everyone that Poland cannot in any way resist a "conditional enemy" without "Western partners" no matter how cool it is, the center, the flanks, corridors.... It's better in the hall White House to stand in a low bow, there will be more sense ...
  • engineer74
    engineer74 28 February 2021 16: 02
    +1
    Out of order: 5 days to Warsaw ... Before 10 to the English Channel was sad
    Either the Poles feel sorry for themselves, or we have something to strive for wink
    Yes, and the MRBM at such exercises would look very good ...
    1. Viktor Afanasev
      Viktor Afanasev 28 February 2021 16: 23
      0
      5 days, probably because it was a weekend (-2 days = 3) laughing laughing
    2. HaByxoDaBHocep
      HaByxoDaBHocep 1 March 2021 06: 54
      +1
      Do not compare, before the doctrine was calculated taking into account the ZGV, but now there is only one NATO in Europe
  • rusich
    rusich 28 February 2021 16: 04
    -1
    In a word, Poland is PIG. laughing laughing laughing
    1. Viktor Afanasev
      Viktor Afanasev 28 February 2021 16: 24
      0
      By the way, there are good beaches there! bully
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 28 February 2021 16: 23
    0
    It’s not a shame, it’s a shame when a land general in the command post sank the entire American fleet in the Persian Gulf. It was not bad that he played for Iran.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 28 February 2021 16: 58
    +2
    What are we happy about? They not only lost, they also won from themselves. That is, they have sensible generals who played on our side in these exercises. And if it starts "not in the teachings"?
  • Alf
    Alf 28 February 2021 19: 56
    +3
    the Polish command "was awaiting the approach of reinforcements in the form of an amphibious assault of NATO partners."

    This very command and in the 39th was expecting the allies' approach ... Once again, a reason to make sure that there is no hope for SUCH "allies".
  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 28 February 2021 19: 56
    0
    The reason is the same as always - Poland always found itself in the role of an all-European terpily, as soon as Poles were at the head of Poland.
  • iouris
    iouris 28 February 2021 20: 33
    -1
    Like this: you can do nothing, and Poland fell.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 28 February 2021 21: 31
    0
    The optimal choice of Poles, should be neutrality. Since you sided with the Americans, then get ready to fight for their interests!
  • Rostislav Prokopenko
    Rostislav Prokopenko 28 February 2021 21: 42
    0
    "... must reorganize 'defensive logistics'"
    so we need to sell them tanks that don’t fit on the bridge, don’t go under the bridge, and roads and iron kills nafig laughing
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 28 February 2021 21: 53
    0
    Pshek's muscle memory worked about 39th year.
  • Der Spiegel
    Der Spiegel 28 February 2021 22: 15
    -1
    The reason for the rapid defeat of the Polish army from the "mock enemy" at the headquarters exercises is the same - Poland sees a mock enemy in all its neighbors ...
  • Torpedo driver
    Torpedo driver 1 March 2021 07: 29
    0
    Poles once again crap their thighs !!! laughing
  • mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 1 March 2021 07: 38
    0
    Most likely, tk. Poland is unconditionally on the side of the United States and, even against the EU, if the United States needs it that way, then soon the United States or the head of NAPTO, with their submission, will declare: there was a mistake in planning and, after checking the progress and results of the exercises, US experts found out that the Polish army defeated the Russian army with a devastating result for the latter. Or: the Polish army in the conducted exercises achieved the assigned tasks and delayed the offensive of the Russian troops until the NATO forces approached, inflicting unacceptable losses on the Russian Federation ...
    We can hear something like that, after Trump's mess, Bidon needs to sweeten the bitterness of the results to the Poles ... And show the Russians that NATO is ... this is ... this is ... "Wow, what a Powerful Organization"!
  • unhappy
    unhappy 1 March 2021 08: 25
    0
    I just looked at the composition of the Polish army, I heard about armored units before, but I did not know about the presence of an air cavalry brigade. belay
  • Garist Pavel
    Garist Pavel 1 March 2021 09: 03
    0
    Friends, this is the national tradition of the Polish elite - to grease the heels with lard and skedaddle from the enemy. You shouldn't underestimate them though. From the Germans, they skedaddle and from the "advice", as they like to express themselves. But who knows, maybe they will fight fiercely and with fierceness against us. Or maybe this is bait, they say, relax the Russians, you will tear everyone. In no case should you lose your vigilance!
  • alstr
    alstr 1 March 2021 11: 13
    0
    Interestingly, the Poles will understand that we do not need the Suvali corridor. That there are much more comfortable and most importantly more meaningful directions for strikes. Or will they always sing like a mantra about the corridor?
  • Potomac
    Potomac 1 March 2021 11: 25
    0
    One thing is good, they understand and recognize mistakes. Learn. And when we ourselves, the countries of the former USSR, did not go according to plan ?! They always defeated, defeated, and reported everyone. And how will it actually be ?!
  • Mikhalych 70
    Mikhalych 70 1 March 2021 17: 31
    0
    And the officers who played against Poland will be invited to the St. George Hall ?! )))
  • MrFox
    MrFox 1 March 2021 19: 04
    0
    Laughing at this is like laughing at a baby who learns to walk and constantly falls. Meanwhile, the baby will grow up, start walking, running, and then - and shooting ...

    They learn and learn from their mistakes.

    To the toothbrushes on a note
  • d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir 2 March 2021 19: 12
    0
    Quote: SaLaR
    The diapers of the wrong system were delivered ... wassat

    yes no, it is more likely that the military professionals who have retained their adequacy have dunked politicians into very unpleasant facts for the general sobering up of the political organism