The ballad about "Winchester": a weapon for the Terminator and not only ...

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The ballad about "Winchester": a weapon for the Terminator and not only ...
Here it is: "Winchester" M1887 - one of the iconic examples of the American rifle weapons in the hands of the Terminator ...

At first sight and sight
It seems not difficult thing -
Luxurious this plain
Cross the horse slowly.
But we, unfortunately, know
Like hawks are torn from the chain
How crowded it can be to death
And in the most endless steppe.
("The Man from the Boulevard des Capucines", Julius Kim)

Weapons and firms. This is the third part of our ballad, and in it we will tell about what happened after the famous "Winchester" of 1873 was created. What happened is that in 1878, John Moses Browning, who by that time already owned a family arms company, received a patent for his single-shot rifle with a vertical bolt, controlled by a lever, which turned out to be very good. After that, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company drew attention to it (and to its creator), and that's how it all began. Winchester bought the rights to it for $ 8000 and began to produce it as the Model 1885, while Browning, since 1883, began to work closely with this company. And although these rifles were produced less than 200, they were in production from 000 to 1885.


The large-caliber double-barreled gun was a very popular weapon in the Wild West. Scene from the movie "Stagecoach" (1986)

But it was not with this rifle that he glorified himself and the company for which he worked, but above all with the Winchester lever-type shotgun Model 1887. It is with him in his hands that the "cutie" Arnold acts in the second episode of The Terminator, and the fact that he was armed with this particular gun is not at all surprising.



Weapon for marksmanship



The Browning M1885 rifle had an original reloading bracket combined with a pistol grip!

The fact is that all "Winchesters" before him were, in fact, cavalry carbines and were only copies of Henry's rifle. Apparently, this dependence to a certain extent weighed down the owners of the company, and they decided to release something completely new and not connected with it in any way. And most importantly, it was supposed to be a large-caliber shotgun - at that time a popular weapon among hunters, travelers, police officers and sheriffs.


And this is how it leaned back down to reload!

And the M1887 just became such a weapon, and it was truly the first successful large-caliber multi-charge shotgun, produced for such a long time. At the same time, at first, John Browning intended to equip the new shotgun with a pump-action reloading mechanism, in his opinion, more suitable for such a multiple-shot rifle, but the vice president of the company T. Bennett said that Winchester is known as a "company that produces weapons with a lever mechanism", and therefore a new gun must also be "lever-operated" to be easily recognizable. They say that a recognizable brand will have the best sales, and in part he was right. It was only later, after the introduction of smokeless powder, that Winchester adopted the Model 1893 Browning pump-action shotgun (an early version of the Model 1897) and began producing it.

The very first shot - on the spot!



Model 1887

Well, the M1887 shotgun with Henry's reloading bracket, as before, fired 12-gauge cartridges with black powder. Moreover, Browning came up with a completely unique design that did not exist before him. True, Browning himself did not really believe in the promise of a shotgun with Henry's staple, but there is an order, and it turned out that it was just such an option that people were waiting for at that time. Shotguns began to be bought by hunters, postal workers, policemen, but, however, still not in such quantity as rifled models. Moreover, as Browning suggested, as soon as guns with reloading using a moving forend appeared, sales of the 1887 model went down sharply.


M1887. The shutter is closed. The trigger is pulled

The M1901 shotgun lasted a little longer, most likely due to its unusual caliber - the 10th. But even these guns from 1901 to 1920 were produced only 14,5 thousand. And the M1887 was produced from 1887 to 1901 and made a total of 65 copies in the "plain" ($ 000) and "fancy" ($ 30) versions.

It is interesting that outwardly the M1887 is similar only with its lever, but in general this gun is unusual both in appearance and in design. Moreover, it is the device of this gun that causes admiration for both its functionality and simplicity.


And this is how Arnold shot him ...


The reloading lever travel was, of course, very large, but the locking mechanism turned out to be quite light and durable. Everything according to Newton: you win in strength, you lose in distance!

To begin with, for a 12-gauge rifle, it has a very short bolt box, and there is no window for loading the magazine, as well as for ejecting spent cartridges. There are no large moving parts in the design, and the shutter itself is small and does not move back and forth, as in a classic "hard drive", but in an arc. And when it opens in this way, the cartridge case is removed from the chamber, and it is not thrown back, not in the shooter's face, but ... up, and even twirling ...


M1887 semi-pistol grip and its butt

The shape of the rifle's stock is, in general, traditional for American rifles with a Henry bracket, but, on the other hand, it is unusual in that it creates a "humped silhouette" at the rifle. In working with a gun, this form turned out to be convenient and ergonomic, although due to the high line of the barrel, the M1887 gives an increased toss of the barrel when fired.

The weapon is unusual in many ways ...


It is also charged in an unusual way, namely through the shutter. To do this, the bracket is lowered down, the bolt is opened and ... ammunition is inserted into the opened opening of the store. That is, it is charged directly through the top of the receiver. In this case, you can insert one cartridge into the chamber, and the other five into the tubular magazine.


The scheme of action of the gun М1887

The designer also provided protection against accidental shots: a small protrusion was made on the trigger, so that until the shutter was closed, it would not be possible to press the hook to the end.

An interesting design feature was the following: the cartridge from the store could not get onto the feed tray until the shooter pulled the trigger. It turns out that by closing the bolt and pulling the bracket, it was impossible to send the cartridge into the chamber. It was also necessary to pull the trigger. That is, an idle descent is required. And again, it is important to remember that the mechanism requires a clear and sharp development of all the movements necessary for recharging. And the lever must be withdrawn all the way!


M1887. The shutter is open (two extractor teeth and the feeder lever are clearly visible at once). But the reloading lever is not fully pulled down ...

By the way, the trigger on it was traditionally open, and it could be gently pulled down and then put on half cocking. Thus, the gun can be safely carried with a cartridge in the chamber, and just "cocking" the trigger before firing. The hammer itself (both when cocked and in the deflated position) practically does not protrude from the bolt box, which, together with its original shape, does not allow it to catch on to anything, and at the same time cocking and safely releasing it, holding it with just one finger.


And here the lever is already retracted to the end, the pusher of the store is visible, which presses on the feeder tray

As noted above, the active production period for the M1887 was relatively short. The advent of pump-action shotguns made Henry's staple shotguns a second-rate weapon. But be that as it may, it was this "Winchester" also left in stories track. Well, in our country, he became known after the demonstration of the film "Terminator 2", in which he becomes almost a constant companion of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Well, it is clear that there were immediately found companies that began to produce it years after its production was discontinued.


М1887 of the Italian company Chiappa. Price: $ 1,539.00 (Photo from the company's website)

Currently, the 1901 reproductions are produced by the Australian company ADI ltd and the Chinese company NORINCO (12 gauge). The Italian company "Chiappa", specializing in the production of copies of antique weapons, also took care of its production. The company produces weapons of the highest quality and at the same time ... considerable cost. In addition, you can shoot from it, that is, feel like the Sheriff of the Wild West, and even Arnold himself. By the way, the famous Bonnie and Clyde also used this gun.


But this gun is just from "Terminator 2". Also "Chiappa" and price: $ 1,449.00 (Photo from the company's website)

Well, the creative collaboration between Winchester and John Browning did not end there. He then made the Model 1897 pump action shotgun and modifications to the traditional M1886, M1892, M1894, and M1895 hard drives, as well as a Model 8 semi-automatic rifle for the Remington company. Many of these are still in production in one form or another, even today. But we will tell you about all these "hard drives" next time ...

PS Photos courtesy of Alain Daubresse, website owner littlegun

To be continued ...
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  1. +17
    1 March 2021 18: 09
    So they waited) thanks Vyacheslav Olegovich! We will study your work hi
    1. +11
      1 March 2021 19: 56
      Definitely - a plus for the Author and all Forum users! The article and comments are read in one go.
      1. +11
        1 March 2021 20: 11
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        comments are read

        Yes, the comments are interesting. It would be nice always. And then "grandfather is a Polish general", "grandmother helped" ... I just want to say, have mercy on God, probably a whole research institute writes articles to me ...
        1. +10
          1 March 2021 20: 21
          Quote: kalibr
          Yes, the comments are interesting. It would be nice always. And then "grandfather is a Polish general", "grandmother helped" ... I just want to say, have mercy on God, probably a whole research institute writes articles to me ...

          Vyacheslav Olegovich do not wake up "dashingly"!
          1. +11
            1 March 2021 20: 45
            Yes, laaad! If before I was considered a clone of Shpakovsky, now they ask how much he pays me for each "thank you". And these mercantile personalities consider themselves romantics of the revolution ?! Boredom!
            1. +6
              1 March 2021 21: 11
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Yes, laaad! If before I was considered a clone of Shpakovsky, now they ask how much he pays me for each "thank you". And these mercantile personalities consider themselves romantics of the revolution ?! Boredom!

              Introduced a bearded Shpakovsky with a trowel laying tiles!
              Even hiccupped!
              Regarding the payment for thanks, I know the rent as a plus. In recent years, I have been holding back - I do not take advantage of the temporary advantage of the Urals time zone. So instead of my one kind word - Vyacheslav Olegovich began to receive five or six positive comments from members of the forum!
              As for the "romantics of the revolution" yesterday I read the version about the involvement of the Old Believers in the revolution of 1905-1907. Including the Morozovs. And today I listened to a program on the participation of Japanese intelligence in this matter. So Denikin's words that our victory in the Russo-Japanese War was stolen by the revolution began to play with different colors.
              1. +10
                1 March 2021 21: 28
                "Coming soon! In all cinemas of the country! Historical blockbuster" With a feather and a trowel "! Based on the works of Samsonov and Kharaluzhny! Under the patronage of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation. Advance booking of tickets via the" hot "telephone line 112"
              2. -3
                2 March 2021 09: 30
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                As for the "romantics of the revolution" yesterday I read the version about the involvement of the Old Believers in the revolution of 1905-1907. Including the Morozovs. And today I listened to a program on the participation of Japanese intelligence in this matter. So Denikin's words that our victory in the Russo-Japanese War was stolen by the revolution began to play with different colors.

                Hand face. What's next? Reptilians from Nibiru?
              3. +4
                2 March 2021 23: 02
                Would shorten the working day for the workers and give guaranteed days off and vacations - no "Frosty Japanese Old Believers" would help the motley revolutionaries against the monarchy.
                Economic reforms must be carried out in time fellow
            2. +4
              2 March 2021 10: 42
              If before I was considered a clone of Shpakovsky

              They thought wrong. You are a clone of Krasnodar. laughing Joke.
            3. +4
              2 March 2021 15: 47
              "Shpakovsky's clone" no, it's not about you.
              "Marcantile individuals consider themselves romantics of the revolution" so with "whom you will behave." Now is the time that you want to be a romantic, but cash is everywhere. Captively you will be mercantile
        2. +5
          2 March 2021 00: 25
          Vyacheslav, thanks for the delicious article. good Only now I could get to my computer and read it with pleasure. smile
          Below I added a little bit about the weapon in "Terminator 2", I didn't do anything else, because I realized that there would be a continuation, and there was no need to run ahead of the "steam locomotive". laughing drinks
        3. +1
          2 March 2021 15: 20
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, "the grandfather of a Polish general" if you remember history, you can write a historical adventure story: here is both drama and sentimental tears. We would read a similar book, but there are 2 conditions: 1) the dynamism of the plot; 2) lively dialogue.
          R.
          S
          I did not see this in: "People and Weapons". I'm picky
          1. +2
            2 March 2021 16: 47
            Quote: Astra wild2
            to write a historical adventure story: there is both drama and sentimental tears.

            So it is written: "Three from Ensk" (As many as three books). One friend of mine cried when she read the first book. As for fastidiousness ... And how do you like the books by Liselotte Welskopch Heinrich "Harka - the son of the leader", "Top and Harry! And" Toki-Ito "?
            1. 0
              3 March 2021 11: 32
              I have not read them
              1. 0
                3 March 2021 11: 35
                You see! But everything is learned in comparison.
                How do you like the books of Bernard Schultz, Emilio Salgari and Karl May?
                1. +2
                  3 March 2021 13: 39
                  I haven't read Schultz, Salgari has a dynamism of the plot
                  1. 0
                    3 March 2021 14: 41
                    No wonder he was nicknamed the Italian Jules Verne.
                2. 0
                  3 March 2021 13: 41
                  Would it be better if it were numbers?
      2. +8
        1 March 2021 21: 37
        The article also put "+".
        As always interesting and informative. The author is well done - he does not skimp on illustrations
    2. +11
      1 March 2021 19: 57
      Studying is best when the topic is complete. Download all the articles and read them slowly, without haste and without distraction.
  2. +14
    1 March 2021 18: 12
    If I had the opportunity, I would definitely buy it. It is the version from the Terminator.
    1. +12
      1 March 2021 20: 26
      I'd rather buy a Terminator, in the T-1000 version laughing
      1. +4
        1 March 2021 23: 14
    2. +8
      2 March 2021 00: 19
      There were several "versions" of this system made especially for the film.

      Winchester sample of 1887. On the set, three copies of this weapon were used. The first is a shotgun, in which the barrel was shortened and the butt and the protective guard around the trigger were removed. With him, the T-800 went through most of the film and it was he who was used in the scene with roses.


      The second was created specifically for the truck chase scene. A special trigger guard was installed in it, thanks to which the gun could be effectively reloaded with one hand. Arnold Schwarzenegger once confused the guns and nearly broke three of his fingers while trying to pull off a reloading trick on a regular model.


      The third instance was a sham rubber version.

      The choice is yours. smile
      1. +9
        2 March 2021 07: 46
        I can only afford the rubber version.
        1. +5
          2 March 2021 10: 10
          I appreciate your sense of humor. good smile drinks
  3. +16
    1 March 2021 18: 22
    Thank you, as always interestingly presented and clearly illustrated!
  4. +15
    1 March 2021 18: 35
    We can add that Norinco NR87, the Chinese version of the hard drive, is being imported to Russia. There is a whole topic on guns.ru on it.
  5. +13
    1 March 2021 18: 38
    I wonder if it is possible to easily recharge it in such a turn as Arnie did in the movie or the arm will fall off?
    1. +4
      2 March 2021 10: 34
      I wonder if it is possible to easily recharge it in such a turn as Arnie did in the movie or the arm will fall off?

      By the way, I also thought about it ...
      1. +1
        4 March 2021 20: 27
        Already answered you above
        Quote: Klingon
        I wonder if it is possible to easily recharge it in such a turn as Arnie did in the movie or the arm will fall off?

        Quote: Sea Cat
        The second was created specifically for the truck chase scene. A special trigger guard was installed in it, thanks to which the gun could be effectively reloaded with one hand. Arnold Schwarzenegger once confused the guns and nearly broke three of his fingers while trying to pull off a reloading trick on a regular model.
  6. +15
    1 March 2021 18: 49
    I probably would not dare to shoot with one hand
  7. +16
    1 March 2021 19: 01
    An interesting overview, things that seem simple at first glance are difficult to create
    1. +13
      1 March 2021 19: 06
      Quote: MrFox
      things that seem simple at first glance are difficult to create

      It has been said: To do is difficult - very simple, but to do is simple - very difficult.
      1. +11
        1 March 2021 19: 22
        I never tire of thanking you, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Fascinating and interesting.
        1. +10
          1 March 2021 19: 53
          Glad you liked it. I myself learned a lot of interesting things while working on this topic.
  8. +21
    1 March 2021 19: 29
    If we take smoothbore guns, then the truly legendary Browning shotgun is the Browning Auto-5.

    Produced from 1902 to 1998.
    1. +13
      1 March 2021 19: 55
      Yes, but there were other legendary models, say M1894 - 7,4 million copies. About him will be in the next article, but about Auto, too, will be like without him. It's just that everything should go on as usual.
      1. +9
        1 March 2021 20: 04
        Hopefully, the M97 will also be discussed separately ...
        Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        1. +7
          1 March 2021 20: 07
          Of course, this is included in the topic. You just can't write about one thing all the time ...
          1. +6
            1 March 2021 20: 17
            Excellent!
            You just can't write about one thing all the time ...
            I haven't read something about the Decembrists for a long time ...
            1. +5
              2 March 2021 06: 40
              Anton! To be honest, I just sorted out all the photos yesterday.
              1. +5
                2 March 2021 06: 44
                Everything is all right, Vyacheslav Olegovich! This is me making a mistake, you can't get out of the role, envious people and fans will not understand.
    2. +10
      1 March 2021 19: 57
      There is also a pneumatic version of this gun from Ulmarex.
      1. +8
        1 March 2021 20: 08
        Rossi makes a pneumo copy of M1892.
    3. +11
      1 March 2021 20: 37
      Yes ... Auto-5 is a mess! Developed and produced as a weapon for hunting, this "semi-automatic" has had time to make war! For the first time he began military service in WW1 in the American army, as a "trench broom", "simulator" in aviation, a fighter ... carrier pigeons!

      He fought in the civil war in Russia ... After WW2, Browning Auto 5 was adopted by the British armed forces under the name L32A1 and was used in the armed conflict in Malaya (Malaysia), in 1960. Then this weapon was used in the impenetrable jungles of Southeast Asia by British airmobile groups and special forces. The next conflict where Browning Auto 5 was used was Rhodesia (Zimbabwe). The local specificity of the fighting in the bush also required the use, in some cases, of shotguns. Taking into account the sanctions under which Rhodesia was then, the choice was not very large and a batch of Browning Auto 5-8 so-called. police model - with an extended magazine for 7 or 8 rounds.

      Used a semi-automatic shotgun and the American Marines in Vietnam!
      Based on Browning Auto-5, the MTs-21-12 gun was produced in the USSR ...
    4. +8
      1 March 2021 21: 10
      The best modern weapon with reloading staple Henry in the USA is recognized as the "doomsday survival rifle" - Henry .410


      Interestingly, this model, according to the NFA classification, is not considered a gun, but is classified as a firearm that does not require a license to acquire. Don't think that this is something unique. Mossberg Shockwave and Remington TAC-14 are classified in the same way.
      1. +8
        1 March 2021 21: 21
        ".410?" - someone will ask and add that the choice of caliber is at least strange. I will not argue, I will only allow myself to quote the words of Robert Ruark, who said that “the caliber of a weapon serves as an accurate indicator of the maturity of a hunter: if he shoots accurately from a 12-gauge rifle, then he is not a good shooter, from a 16-gauge he is a good shooter, 20 gauge is a great shooter, and if he shoots well with a .410 shotgun, he is unmatched. "
        On my own behalf, I will add that the owner of such a gun will at least twice save on weight (with the same amount of 12-gauge cartridges taken with him).
        1. +13
          1 March 2021 21: 27
          By the way, speaking of Tepminator, Henry Repeating Arms, following the popular "survival rifle" "Mares Leg, has released a new Lever Action Ax .410 model, which, according to the NFA-34 classification (National Firearm Act 1934), is formally is simply a "firearm" that does not require special licenses or additional registration fees to acquire.
          The Mares Leg pistol in .357 Mag. by Henry Repeating Arms

          The Henry .410 Ax gets its name from the ax-shaped pistol grip engraved with the company's logo. By design, the weapon is a smoothbore shotgun in .410 caliber with a lever-type reloading scheme.

          The new Lever Action Ax .410 caliber 410 smoothbore shotgun in an unusual form factor, similar to the classic "sawn-off". According to US law, this is a "pistol"
          The model has an underbarrel tubular magazine that can hold five cartridges with a length of 63,5 mm, which is loaded through a side window in a steel receiver.
          The gun is quite compact: barrel length 384 mm with a total length of 670 mm, weight - 2,6 kg. The blued cylindrical steel barrel has a brass bead front sight and a thread for fitting Invector style muzzles (Full Invector Style Choke is standard). The wooden parts are made of American walnut.

          In the US, the new Lever Action Ax .410 starts at $ 970
          1. +8
            1 March 2021 22: 02
            "Shooting accurately" from a smooth-bore in Russia, at the present time, is not a cheap pleasure, I think there are not many people who spend ammunition in our country on "marksmanship training". You can still afford to shoot at targets 2000 rubles a week, more, already "bites" ... Plus, where to shoot? Shooting range is also not cheap.
            1. +3
              2 March 2021 09: 05
              Snail, go to the rural outback and train there. How many rounds is enough
              1. 0
                4 March 2021 20: 31
                Quote: vladcub
                Snail, go to the rural outback and train there. How many rounds is enough

                Until the district policeman is handed over, if the area is even slightly populated ..
          2. +4
            2 March 2021 07: 57
            According to US law, this is a pistol. I wish I had such a "pistol". Externally to look - a bleed, but no
          3. +2
            2 March 2021 23: 08
            Well, this is probably a hell of a recoil with such a caliber?
            How to get without a stock?
        2. +8
          1 March 2021 22: 08
          Let me cite the words of Robert Ruark, who said that "the caliber of a weapon serves as an accurate indicator of the maturity of a hunter:
          This is probably why Robert Ruark himself hunted with a Winchester Model 12 12 gauge.

          As for the .410 caliber, it is not suitable for shooting with shot while hunting.
          In general, Ruark did not understand the technical aspects of weapons and was not interested in them. Harry Selby prepared all the weapons for him.
      2. +4
        2 March 2021 09: 01
        Mosberg is a good car. In the 90s I chatted with one guy. He had a pump-action Mosberg. Shot great and comfortable.
        1. +1
          2 March 2021 19: 23
          This is not Mossberg, this is Browning.
          1. 0
            3 March 2021 09: 10
            Production: Mosberg, but development? ..
            1. +2
              3 March 2021 09: 14
              Developed by OF Mossberg & Sons, 1961. Designer - Karl Benson.
              1. 0
                3 March 2021 09: 32
                Thank . I'll know
    5. +2
      2 March 2021 19: 05
      John Browning ended his collaboration with Winchester because of this gun. the company bought up Browning models for a specific price and did not put everything into production (44 models in total). for Auto-5 Browning asked for a price for each produced sample and the firm refused. Then Browning offered the gun to the Factory National in Belgium. From there, its production began.
  9. +4
    1 March 2021 21: 13
    Well, in our country, he became known after the demonstration of the film "Terminator 2", in which he becomes almost a constant companion of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    In my country, rifles with staples have been known at least since August 1974 in the film "Oklahoma As It Is" / "Oklahoma Crude" (1973), (USA), - (voice acting by Soyuzmultfilm)

    1. +5
      2 March 2021 06: 55
      Everyone in the photo has an M1892 rifle. It is written about it ... And in the article we are talking about M1887. This makes a big difference! And so the Winchesters were in the film Stagecoach, and Winnetu ... and Sons of the Big Dipper (1964). A lot of where...
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  10. +3
    2 March 2021 07: 49
    THE CURSE: again the Samsonovs dragged me. Yesterday I went to the site several times, but nothing besides the Samsonovs. At 18 00 I forgot to stop by and did something else.
    From now on I will remember
  11. +2
    2 March 2021 09: 33
    Winchester bought 44 rifle models from John Browning. And not only for production, but in order to remove competitors.
  12. +4
    2 March 2021 12: 06
    And so there are not many interesting articles on the site, but now the most interesting for me editors got into the habit of releasing at six o'clock ...
    And in the evening, as a rule, I am no longer capable of serious comments, only to grumble, and even then without a soul and a spark. smile
    Well, well, you will have to finally move from the category of writers to the category of readers and observe colleagues not in real time, but with a twelve-hour delay. smile
  13. 0
    2 March 2021 14: 48
    Good day. I took the time to comment.
    1) until recently believed that Browning specialized in pistols, but I was told that he also created rifles.
    2) colleagues, 12 gauge - how many are in millimeters? And what's the difference between 10 and 410 calibers?
    1. +5
      2 March 2021 15: 30
      1) For smooth-bore hunting rifles, calibers are measured differently: the caliber number refers to the whole number of spherical bullets that can be cast from 1 British pound of lead (453,592 g). In this case, the bullets must be spherical, of the same mass and diameter, which is equal to the inner diameter of the barrel in its middle part. The smaller the barrel diameter, the more bullets are made from a pound of lead. Thus, the twentieth caliber is less than the tenth, and the sixteenth is less than the twelfth.
      2). The 12th caliber of modern rifles varies from 18.3 to 18.5mm., The 410th is around 11mm.
      Therefore, the difference between .10 and .410 follows from the answer to the first question.
      I have not seen 10-gauge cases in nature for a long time, in the course of the 12th and 410th sounded by you. If you want for yourself, it is better to look in the direction of .410, or .20 caliber, nevertheless, the return is more democratic for female hands.
      1. +2
        2 March 2021 16: 08
        It's too hard for me.
        "16 gauge" as a child of a future father-in-law, I saw a single-barreled 16 gauge shotgun. I scattered the cartridges, and then I had to climb on the floor and "scratch" from under the sofa
    2. 0
      2 March 2021 15: 36
      According to Browning, it is better to read it on the internet, the classic semi-automatic BAR is popular on driven hunting, if I may say so, looking at its price. "Toy" for people with income.
  14. 0
    4 March 2021 15: 19
    Est u nas okhotnikov takaya pogovorka.
    Kal.16 dla strelcov i kal.12 dla slepcov. :)
    1. 0
      4 March 2021 20: 35
      Quote: CastroRuiz
      Est u nas okhotnikov takaya pogovorka.
      Kal.16 dla strelcov i kal.12 dla slepcov. :)

      And then wounded animals run across the steppe ... After such "shooters" ...
  15. 0
    24 March 2021 05: 54
    Even in Soviet times, the Chukchi and the Eskimos made an exchange, bash for bash, one Mosin carbine for two winchesters.