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Gorbachev called on Putin and Biden to meet and "not be bullied at each other"

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The press publishes a statement made by the first and last president of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev. According to a man who at one time actually brought a huge country to collapse, today it is necessary to reduce the threat of nuclear war.


Gorbachev made this statement for the correspondent Interfax Information Agency.

According to the ex-general secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, the president of Russia and the United States must meet for de-escalation to take place. Mikhail Gorbachev added that Vladimir Putin and Joseph Biden need to come to an agreement, and "not be bullied against each other."
Gorbachev noted that global problems cannot be resolved alone, and that is why the personal meeting of Vladimir Putin with his American counterpart is so important.

At the same time, the ex-leader of the state, which ceased to exist, recalled how he met with Ronald Reagan and discussed disarmament issues. According to Mikhail Gorbachev, although Reagan was known as an inveterate conservative, he willingly responded to the proposal to meet and discuss global challenges.

Gorbachev added that Russia and the United States have experience in discussing "where to go."

It should be recalled that these days the world is remembering the 30th anniversary of the end of the Warsaw Pact Organization. Then the actual dismantling of this military-political organization caused bewilderment even among opponents. The bewilderment was expressed in one phrase that sounded in the West: "They didn't even demand anything in return for this." There has been no internal affairs department for 30 years, and NATO not only continues to exist, but also actively promotes military infrastructure to the borders of the Russian Federation. This is perhaps the main thing that needs to be understood from the "dialogue with Western partners." Or does Gorbachev have a different opinion? ..
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Russian President's website, Facebook / Joe Biden
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  1. rusich
    rusich 27 February 2021 17: 15
    +82
    Judas gave a voice
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 27 February 2021 17: 19
      +62
      Still alive ... Ebn has been waiting for him already, but this one is giving out all the advice to everyone, he will not calm down in any way. interesting..
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 27 February 2021 17: 22
        -14%
        all three ... leave the stage ...
        1. oleg-gr
          oleg-gr 27 February 2021 17: 28
          +48
          The tagged one raised his voice. I would be silent for the rest of my days. The collapse of the Union will never be forgiven him.
          1. Labrador
            Labrador 27 February 2021 19: 46
            +11
            I would be silent for the rest of my days.

            This child of lice cannot be published at all on Russian-language resources! It is necessary that he died on the media earlier than physically.
            1. hirurg
              hirurg 27 February 2021 19: 53
              +13
              Let him come, go out to the people, say ...
              And he will be de-escalated.) Moreover, with the entry in ..
          2. frruc
            frruc 27 February 2021 21: 36
            0
            This statement Gorbachev made for the correspondent of IA "Interfax".
            I don’t understand whether the Interfax correspondent decided to troll his readers or make fun of them with this nonsense. Not funny.
          3. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 28 February 2021 00: 35
            +6
            Quote: oleg-gr
            The marked man raised his voice.

            Gorbachev added that Russia and the United States have experience in discussing "where to go."

            In Russia, there is almost unanimity on the question of where Gorbachev should go.
        2. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 27 February 2021 17: 41
          -13%
          Quote: Aerodrome
          all three ... leave the stage ...

          and what, minusers, do not agree with what? that the "grandson of" eltsen "further drives the country into the abyss?
          1. nils
            nils 27 February 2021 18: 07
            +28
            DECREE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
            For his great personal contribution to the strengthening of peace and friendship between peoples and many years of fruitful public activity, to award the Order of the HOLY APOSTLE ANDREY THE FIRST-CALLED Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev.
            Moscow, the Kremlin March 2, 2011 No. 257.
            The Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called - the highest order of the Russian Federation.
            In addition to him, this order was awarded to Heydar Aliyev, his wife Fazu Alieva, Rasul Gamzatov, Irina Arkhipova - an opera singer, Yuri Grigorovich - a ballet master, Nursultan Nazarbayev, Xi Jinping, Valentina Matvienko (Tyutina), Alexandra Pakhmutova, Sergei Mikhalkov. A total of 21 people.
            Complete profanation of the statute of the order in the award of the Russian bacchanalia, as a consequence continuation of the EBN policy... Hence, Gorbachev, the EBN family, and all their immediate entourage, who are living well. Oligarchic capitalism of the family clans of Russia in action, with which I congratulate all supporters of Putin.
          2. Dodikson
            Dodikson 27 February 2021 18: 12
            -19%
            before reposting another person's comment, I want to remind you that when the price of oil was 15-25 bucks per barrel, Saudi Arabia for some reason did not live in hunger, there were no salary delays in six months (by the way, residents there hardly work, but they were paid at $ 5 per barrel), did not stand in front of the IMF with an outstretched hand and did not beg for loans
            and now the song (co-operat by zhirinovsky)
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan


            Scratch .. Hey, local admirers of the sun - tell us again about the colossal successes of capitalist Russia over 20 years of his wise rule ..



            I will now tell you about Putin's successes.

            In 1998, Putin took the country in ruins, Russia only suffered a default, the reserves in the country were at 14-16 billion dollars, and this despite the fact that both the USSR and Russia of the 90s sold resources of oil, gas, metals, including gold with platinum, but in the end were left with debt at 145% of GDP !!!

            Russia began to pay off debts in goods, where with weapons, where with resources, a little more and territory would have been given. The decision to sell the Kuril Islands to Yeltsin was discussed and quite seriously.

            By the end of the 90s nothing was being produced in Russia, everything on the shelves of stores and markets was imported, from the "Rama" margarine and chicken legs to clothes !!!

            Industry and agriculture of our country by the end of the 90s was destroyed !!!

            Strikes of miners, teachers were the norm !!! The norm was that in collective farms and other enterprises, wages were paid with goods that they also produced.

            In Russia at the end of the 90s, the average salary was 1000 rubles with a dollar of 25 and it was paid with a delay of six months, and pensions were about 600 rubles and they were also delayed !!!

            Inflation was simply prohibitive.

            The country was a complete mess in law enforcement and a rampant crime !!!

            Everyone from a trader in the market to large enterprises paid tribute to the bandits and the cops turned a blind eye to it !!! In every collective farm, every tent, every trader in the market paid the bandits, they did what they wanted !!!

            And to all this, a war began again in the country, a real one, with thousands of our citizens killed in terrorist attacks across the country from the Caucasus to Moscow !!!

            And now Putin took it all out !!! He brought Russia to the leaders of world economies, paid off debts, accumulated reserves of 600 billion dollars (this is the proceeds for 4 whole years of oil trading), won the war in the Caucasus.

            For people under Putin in Russia it has become the usual norm - housing on a mortgage, trips abroad, several cars for a family !!!

            And who are you to have your mouth on
            Opening Putin ?! Who are you ?!

            List your merits / have time, I just want to understand, by what right do you speak with such disdain about him?

            And China in the 90s already showed excellent economic growth rates and already possessed huge resources to develop for longer.

            At the same time, I buy up technologies all over the world, including in the former republics of the USSR !!!

            With all this, the Chinese corvette is much inferior to the Russian one even at 20380, and there is nothing to say about 20385 !!! And in the range of the weapon used and in all other parameters.

            And of course 1,5 billion people in China will make more ships than Russia with 147 million and neither Putin nor God will change anything here !!!
            1. Israel
              Israel 27 February 2021 18: 29
              -6
              before reposting another person's comment, I want to remind you that when the price of oil was 15-25 bucks per barrel, Saudi Arabia for some reason did not live in hunger, there were no salary delays in six months (by the way, residents there hardly work, but they were paid at $ 5 per barrel), did not stand in front of the IMF with an outstretched hand and did not beg for loans


              So the population and territory there is much less than in Russia. If Russia had 30 million people, then in terms of GDP per capita, Russia would be in the top.

              But this is certainly not an excuse for Russia, which is for the most part a “gas station” or, as it is now fashionable, an “energy power”.
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 27 February 2021 18: 36
                -10%
                so from that population (30 million) and God forbid that there would be a half a lam, and a half a lama there will be only at the expense of the military and the police.
                and sold only oil to the CA. while Russia and a bunch of other bunches. from timber and ore, to TFELs and military equipment. and then nothing from this Russia did not get better.
                Moreover, if you rummage about Sakhalin, then Exoil there not only did not deduct to the budget of the Russian Federation, but even received loot for taking care of the environment.
                and if you rummage about Yukos' account, you will see that they paid taxes exactly as much as the hodorok considered it necessary to pay, that is, a penny.
                in general, if grandfather Pu did not take Yukos and a bunch of other sharags and did not introduce a tax on subsurface resources, then it would not matter how much oil would cost, even $ 1000 per liter, the budget would still be empty
              2. frruc
                frruc 27 February 2021 21: 27
                +5
                In general, you need to twist the ventel. And no longer rely on raw materials from the bowels.
                1. Viktor Afanasev
                  Viktor Afanasev 27 February 2021 23: 40
                  +3
                  To prohibit the export of ANY minerals in their pure form. Only after processing (boards, oil, fuel, products) Then the industry will rise and it will be possible to earn more and it will be more difficult to steal ...
          3. Stas157
            Stas157 27 February 2021 19: 45
            +5
            Quote: Aerodrome
            and what, minusers, do not agree with what? that the "grandson of" eltsen "further drives the country into the abyss?

            You encroached on the sacred, on the inviolable. What is never forgiven to others (liberals) is always forgiven to the liberal king. Although now the robbery of the people is no less going on. There is no rational explanation for this. But there are illustrative examples from religion. When criticism of an adored subject is taboo. And you inadvertently offended the feelings of believers.
          4. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
            tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 28 February 2021 00: 36
            +2
            the people support you. Cons, really.
      2. Private89
        Private89 27 February 2021 17: 57
        +29
        As someone joked that Satan is not taking Gorbatov away, because in hell, perestroika, glasnost, "democracy" will immediately begin.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 27 February 2021 17: 23
      +27
      Quote: rusich
      Judas gave a voice

      Looks like not all the pieces of silver worked! The owners hinted that it would be nice to hint at the GDP, but they can't take the first step .... so he went to croak b / y ... well, where is the stork that will bite this toad? !!!
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 27 February 2021 17: 36
        +8
        Quote: Egoza
        Looks like not all the pieces of silver worked! The hosts hinted

        I completely agree with you: the owners, it seems, ordered the old naphthalene toad - the USSR foreign agent-grave digger "Marked" - to croak about the meeting old man Joe so needed in order to try to screw up Putin's brains, bargain more preferences, set Russia on China and drive a wedge between them.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 27 February 2021 17: 43
          -4
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          Quote: Egoza
          Looks like not all the pieces of silver worked! The hosts hinted

          I completely agree with you: the owners, it seems, ordered the old naphthalene toad - the USSR foreign agent-grave digger "Marked" - to croak about the meeting old man Joe so needed in order to try to screw up Putin's brains, bargain more preferences, set Russia on China and drive a wedge between them.

          laughing laughing laughing to whom to "powder"? HE knows what he's doing ... it's a shame YOU don't realize it. Zombie generation.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 27 February 2021 17: 46
            +3
            Quote: Aerodrome
            sorry YOU don't realize it. zombie generation.

            What generation are you?
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 28 February 2021 02: 27
              -3
              Quote: Flood
              What generation are you?

              b. 1963.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 28 February 2021 06: 21
                +3
                Quote: Aerodrome
                b. 1963

                this is not an answer given the reason for the question
          2. Snail N9
            Snail N9 27 February 2021 17: 50
            -16%
            Here is Putin:

            And in the photo at the beginning of the article, "Who"? request
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 27 February 2021 18: 04
              -4
              Quote: Snail N9
              And in the photo at the beginning of the article, "Who"?

              In both photos, Putin, only 20 years apart. Don't you know that people get older over the years? smile
              1. Snail N9
                Snail N9 28 February 2021 00: 20
                -1
                In both photos, Putin, only 20 years apart.

                AND! Got it ... thanks for reminding me. I forgot that with age, the skull swells and the face becomes chubby from an oblong one. Thanks again for reminding me. hi
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 28 February 2021 11: 24
                  +2
                  Once they called me a conspiracy theorist. I guess that man was looking for conspiracy theorists in the wrong place! laughing hi
          3. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 27 February 2021 17: 55
            +1
            Quote: Aerodrome
            sorry YOU don't realize it. zombie generation.

            One of the wisest and most witty living (according to experts) Duke François de La Rochefoucauld once said: "There is no more stupid people than those who consider themselves smarter than everyone." How right he was: many fools still confirm this! laughing
            And some blind people still do not understand what is written and do not see the words. to attempt. laughing
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 27 February 2021 18: 06
              +5
              like they wrote smart quotes .. I’m probably stupider than you (by the way, what does La Rochefoucauld think of my words? laughing ) did not understand anything - how is this connected with the replica of the Aerodrome ..
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 27 February 2021 18: 10
                -4
                I answered the Aerodrome, and why YOU are answering me I DO NOT understand. I have you just now appeared! Maybe this is something the site is odd?smile
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 27 February 2021 18: 12
                  +3
                  well, we do not have a private chat, my friend .. he did not turn to you personally either wink
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 27 February 2021 18: 17
                    -4
                    I understood about you: you rushed into battle for the Aerodromny. Corporate mutual assistance. And Aerodromny just turned to me and Egoza, calling it "the zombie generation". Or do you regard his comments differently?
                    1. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor 27 February 2021 18: 32
                      +1
                      I don’t know him at all, and I don’t enter the corporation - neither on the site, nor in life (perhaps unfortunately laughing ) .. I'm interested in the logic of your answer laughing he understood his words in such a way that he means that Putin and EBN with Labeled are one lads in fact (with which I only partially agree, by the way) so I wrote to you ... and at the same time, what is a zombie generation or (Z- generation) you know? who was born after 2000 - I don’t think it’s about you and not about me)
                      Vladimir, do not look for a black cat in a dark room - especially when she is not there .. this is how I interpreted his comment .. with respect hi
              2. Flooding
                Flooding 27 February 2021 19: 33
                +3
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                how is this related to the replica of the Aerodrome

                not everyone dares to call a whole generation "zombies"
                all the more by doing this on the forum in relation to an unfamiliar interlocutor
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 27 February 2021 19: 41
                  -3
                  so I'm not talking about that this is fair-unfair of course .. it's just why Vladimir was offended for Z and La Rochefoucauld responded to Putin's accusations of ties with Gorby from the Aerodromnoye - I became interested in this, it was the logic of the connection - I have other questions that was not .. about this and asked directly, and he sent me to a corporation of some kind laughing
                  P.S. It seemed to me - Vladimir did not understand about the generation - Z (like a zombie) .. no offense to anyone, he found out six months ago ..
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 27 February 2021 19: 43
                    +3
                    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                    just why Vladimir was offended by something for Z

                    once again - not for Z, but for "zombies"
                    these are different things
                    just like if you call Generation Y the generation of idiots. consonant after all.
                    and generation X - generation xy ...
                    the logic is the same
                    1. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor 27 February 2021 19: 45
                      -2
                      I can't argue here, I have already corrected the comment hi
                      1. Aerodrome
                        Aerodrome 28 February 2021 02: 22
                        -3
                        Quote: 2 level advisor
                        I can't argue here, I have already corrected the comment hi

                        Thank you, for the comments of a colleague, it was interesting and unexpectedly pleasant that someone was thinking and analyzing while reading. and to dot Yo ... yes, I believe that Putin is continuing Elzen's line, and yes, I believe that generation z is a reality. hi
                      2. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 28 February 2021 02: 51
                        -1
                        if someone doubts the line of Putin, or does not doubt .. this is his right .. but what about generation Z then to do? Well they are pure navalnist-revolutionaries .. it’s not good .. although the fact that corruption has no place in Russia, I’m entirely FOR .. I’m afraid for the country of the guys (sorry, I’m young here) .. I’m still retired in it .. probably .. if I live .. and if the pension is .. although honestly, I do not expect ..
                      3. Aerodrome
                        Aerodrome 28 February 2021 03: 15
                        -1
                        Quote: 2 level advisor
                        if someone doubts the line of Putin, or does not doubt .. this is his right .. but what about generation Z then to do? Well they are pure navalnist-revolutionaries .. it’s not good .. although the fact that corruption has no place in Russia, I’m entirely FOR .. I’m afraid for the country of the guys (sorry, I’m young here) .. I’m still retired in it .. probably .. if I live .. and if the pension is .. although honestly, I do not expect ..

                        I am not sleeping, this is senile, why the hell are you not sleeping at this time? anyway...
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        if someone doubts Putin's line, or does not doubt it .. that is his right ..

                        here yes .. you can't argue,
                        as "Makar" said in our time: Everyone, right, has the right to what is on the left and what is on the right. To the black field, to the white field To free will and bondage. In this world there are no accidents, Every step leaves a trace, And there is no miracle, and coincidences are extremely rare. And the course of time will not change, But often the rise becomes a fall, And I saw how the fall becomes a rise.
                        I’m retired, very good, and very small ... 11275, and you would live to see her, (I work to survive, it’s hard, the bosses see, I’m afraid they’ll kick it out then - noose) maybe. for everything - about everything for "live" I pay about 11 tons. ural. in general, if I woke up in the morning, work. otherwise ...
              3. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 28 February 2021 11: 48
                +2
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                It seemed to me that Vladimir did not understand about the generation - Z (like a zombie).

                I understood EVERYTHING well! And what is there to understand? Zombie - Generation is the zombie generation. Receive a in response to a completely normal comment - an insult. normal people at least think it over and apologize. Arrogants and fools - never. The airfield just ran over rudely and did not apologize, but you just shield it.
                Or do you think differently, Mr. demagogue-lawyer?
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 28 February 2021 12: 15
                  -3
                  Vladimir, why are you so aggressive towards other people's opinions, I kind of tried to respect yours? Well, I, like the Aerodrome, do not like Putin, whether to shoot me?
                  And in general, I am not Aerodromny, and I asked you the question, or should I not ask you? you need to be calmer - nerves are life ... moreover, I wrote that about the presence of generation Z for half a year as I myself found out .. When did you find out?
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 28 February 2021 12: 40
                    +1
                    Yes, some aggressive and nervous people went around! Do not spit at anyone, do not offend anyone - immediately aggressive and nervous are offended, do not respect my a wish! laughing laughing laughing

                    All that was needed was to apologize for my rudeness ...
                  2. The comment was deleted.
                2. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 28 February 2021 15: 47
                  +1
                  Moreover, I am not of the zombie generation, but much older than both the Aerodrome and you, Nikolai: I remember the funeral of I.V. Stalin. And not so arrogant.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 28 February 2021 05: 18
    0
    Quote: Egoza
    Well, where is the stork that will peck this toad? !!!

    Now there is no such hungry stork that would want to stain its beak about "this"!
  • Alien From
    Alien From 27 February 2021 18: 14
    +7
    McCain and Bzezhinsky are tired of the tagged one am
  • 210ox
    210ox 27 February 2021 18: 27
    +5
    I am interested in something else. Will this villain be buried in a Russian piece of land?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 February 2021 03: 33
      -3
      Quote: 210ox
      I am interested in something else. Will this villain be buried in a Russian piece of land?

      yes, and Putin will wear flowers.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 28 February 2021 10: 34
        +2
        Despite the fact that he is a marked state criminal, even he has admirers. Especially in two capitals.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 27 February 2021 18: 29
    +4
    For me, only one piece of news about the Gorbachet is interesting - when he dies!
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 27 February 2021 19: 54
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      For me, only one piece of news about the Gorbachet is interesting - when he dies!

      Only Gorbachev?
  • Richard
    Richard 27 February 2021 19: 00
    +5
    Judas gave a voice

    The very fact of the participation of Judas in the betrayal of Christ both in Orthodoxy and in the Vatican is being called into serious doubt. But the activity (inaction) of Gorbachev in relation to his country and his people does not cause any double interpretations. - traitor
  • Baloo
    Baloo 27 February 2021 19: 55
    +2
    Quote: rusich
    Judas gave a voice

    The political corpse is still showing signs of life. angry
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 27 February 2021 20: 24
    +5
    I urge the tagged to meet with another Judas EBN in hell.
  • Nemchinov Vl
    Nemchinov Vl 27 February 2021 21: 27
    +1
    Quote: rusich
    Judas gave a voice
    well yes...
    ..Mikhail Gorbachev added that Vladimir Putin and Joseph Biden need to come to an agreement, and "not be bullied against each other."
    it would be better if he financed from his fund the construction of 2x-3x frigates 22350 (!), for the fleet, country which I sold not only for the Nobel Prize ... bitch !!!
  • venik
    venik 27 February 2021 22: 08
    +1
    Quote: rusich
    Judas gave a voice

    ======
    He doesn't have everything! Tries to make the face of a "significant figure".
    "...Gorbachev added that Russia and the United States have experience in discussing issues such as “where Need to go"...."
    Once I have already shown "where to go" .... Now I would explain with great pleasure "where him you need to go "and would even indicate the exact" address " am angry .... I don’t do this just because the moderators will be "banned" to hell for the rest of my life!
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 27 February 2021 22: 09
    +2
    and "don't be bullied at each other"

    This Judas had to break off his horns even before the collapse of the Country ... In his old age he worried on a hairdryer, completely out of his mind he survived!

    And as he negotiated, the "bull" obediently bowed his head and went to the stall ... Until now, we cannot finally escape from the lasso of the "cowboys" am
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 27 February 2021 23: 38
    +2
    Quote: rusich
    Judas gave a voice

    True, it’s wild to hear from a traitor.
  • Vend
    Vend 1 March 2021 11: 54
    +1
    Quote: rusich
    Judas gave a voice

    They already did Gorbachev's style in the 90s, no thanks, we'll figure it out without traitors.
  • Pereira
    Pereira 27 February 2021 17: 16
    +13
    A hunchback can only call on an old woman with a blunt scythe. For yourself.
    1. Installer
      Installer 27 February 2021 17: 33
      +6
      Even the grave will not fix this hunchback!
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 27 February 2021 18: 56
        0
        A hunchback will ruin the grave.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 27 February 2021 17: 17
    +6
    Senile insanity.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 27 February 2021 17: 35
      +3
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Senile insanity.

      Right. It would be better to be silent ... the leader who destroyed POWER! What can he advise? How to destroy the rest?
  • Alexga
    Alexga 27 February 2021 17: 17
    +5
    With the current balance of power, you just need to enter flight missions into the heads of the missiles and Biden will immediately make his voice quieter. And then they overseas are used to listening to the next "concern".
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 27 February 2021 18: 21
      -5
      We already told them once that we would go to heaven as martyrs, but they still don’t believe that we are so crazy.
      1. AlexG83
        AlexG83 27 February 2021 21: 57
        +4
        Quote: military_cat
        We already told them once that we would go to heaven as martyrs, but they still don’t believe that we are so crazy.

        They are the ones who are insane.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 28 February 2021 15: 03
          0
          Okay, I'll go to heaven then.
    2. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 27 February 2021 19: 03
      0
      Quote: AlexGa
      you just need to enter flight tasks into the heads of the missiles and Biden will immediately make his voice quieter

      Allow me to ask, as a specialist, which of the available PZs should be inserted into the heads of the missiles? And how to bring this undoubtedly important information to Biden?
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 27 February 2021 17: 18
    +5
    And what should our side and the US side get out of this dialogue? We kind of already know that the United States wants complete submission and resources, and is not ready to negotiate on an equal footing. So what's the point in this chatter?
  • Cron
    Cron 27 February 2021 17: 18
    +16
    Gorbachev urged not to be bullied, to surrender everything without a fight and receive the Nobel Peace Prize for this
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 27 February 2021 17: 28
      +16
      And he cannot offer anything else, he is not trained to other than how to destroy great countries, here he is a great specialist, already awarded a medal by an American cavalier.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 27 February 2021 17: 18
    +12
    Gorbachev called on Putin and Biden to meet and "not be bullied at each other"

    The head is completely bad, very sick ...
    The striped people need VICTORY, they don't need anything else ...
    Nothing depends on the meeting of the leaders, because they have the whole SYSTEM on its hind legs, burned out completely and now, otherwise, it cannot sit still.
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 February 2021 17: 46
      +6
      There is no point in negotiating with cheaters, they will never comply with their signed obligations ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 February 2021 18: 26
        +3
        There now nothing depends on the person sitting opposite ... behind him there are many, many are standing and ...
        you need to look / build options for how to fight off that tangle and it's worth it, then stand aside or, more correctly, do something specific, the right thing ... clean the "TT", lubricate, sharpen the saber ...
  • 1536
    1536 27 February 2021 17: 20
    +10
    If he hadn't ruined the country and the party, he would still be sitting in the Kremlin now, and would have met with whoever he wanted. Why push others into the abyss? Better to be silent in a red cloth.
  • Poetry
    Poetry 27 February 2021 17: 23
    +11
    As this bastard Gorbachev Earth still wears. He has already determined his Country for a long time.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 27 February 2021 17: 25
    +9
    Gorbachev added that Russia and the United States have experience in discussing "where to go."

    Naturally, he has a colossal experience of Russia in hell .. he sent it, having ruined the USSR .. and he advertised pizza .. I handed over everything and everyone with giblets .. I should have a gulp and not give advice.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 27 February 2021 17: 26
    +6
    All that the tagged offers is not worth attention. amThere will be no more applicants for the Nobel Prize for the collapse of the state. Give the BLM Nobel Prize!
  • senima56
    senima56 27 February 2021 17: 27
    +7
    MikhUil Sergeevich would sit quietly and atone for sins, and not give advice! fool negative hi
  • Constanty
    Constanty 27 February 2021 17: 28
    -13%
    "They didn't even demand anything in return for it"



    This is not entirely true.

    First, the collapse of the USSR and the collapse of the Warsaw Pact are not the result of a "deal" with NATO - they are the result of the collapse of the USSR, unable to continue to compete with the United States, mainly in the economic field. Contrary to popular belief, this is also not Gorbachev's fault - he weakened the censorship and the regime itself, but the end of the USSR was decided by those who overthrew him.
    And they overthrew him not in order to save the USSR, but in order to get themselves - and this as the president of Russia, and then Ukraine, and then Belarus - Yeltsin, Kuchma, Shushkevich.
    And what is surprising, in fact, despite the oath, no one wanted to defend the USSR - neither the army, nor the citizens - and without being Western agents - no! - they just didn't want to.

    Secondly, despite the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, there was something like the Berlin Agreements that made Poland, the Czech Republic, etc. Only seeming members of NATO - disarmed and doomed to plunder by the West.
    1. Constanty
      Constanty 27 February 2021 17: 40
      -2
      For those who put a minus.

      It's so sad - a fact, and you may not like it, but it's true.
      If I am mistaken, then I ask, in addition to the minuses, also the arguments against.
      1. tatra
        tatra 27 February 2021 18: 13
        +7
        None of those who excuse Gorbachev and carry such nonsense are NOT able to prove how, WITHOUT Gorbachev, the enemies of the USSR could seize the USSR, divide it among themselves, impose on the country and people themselves into a power beneficial for enrichment System, economy, and their ideology - evil anti-Sovietism.
        1. Constanty
          Constanty 27 February 2021 18: 20
          +2
          Even if Gorbachev weakened the USSR (which, however, would mean that the entire state resisted censorship, hiding the truth and threatening the rest of the world), why after his overthrow nothing was done to save the USSR? Why did they not remove the traitor and correct the mistakes, while they themselves impatiently sifted through the Belovezhsk treaties and ended the existence of the USSR?
          Moreover, despite this, Yeltsin again became president of Russia in 1996.
          But in reality - it's more convenient to throw everything at Gorbachev - but what empire can be defeated by a weak person?
          1. tatra
            tatra 27 February 2021 18: 22
            +2
            There is no need for cowardly verbiage. You only confirmed my words that WITHOUT Gorbachev, the enemies of the USSR could not have captured the USSR.
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 27 February 2021 19: 22
            +2
            Quote: Constanty
            But in reality - it's more convenient to throw everything at Gorbachev - but what empire can be defeated by a weak person?

            Reflect on the role of personality in history.
            examples of the mass.
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 27 February 2021 20: 32
          +1
          In a normal Soviet country, in principle, there should have been no Judas in power, these parasites were destroyed, the fact that they were allowed there, that they were allowed to commit, ALREADY suggests that the late Union was already rotting from the Khrushchev, possibly before it.
          1. tatra
            tatra 27 February 2021 20: 38
            +1
            Well, of course, the fact that the enemies of the communists have always, both under the USSR and after the capture of the USSR, pretending and pretending to be those who are beneficial to you at the moment, including "great philanthropists" in slandering those from whom you took the country, always others are to blame, but not yourself. There is such, unfortunately, a concept inaccessible to the intellect of the enemies of the USSR, as logic, and according to this logic, if people, unlike you, seize their country for good purposes, they will never cowardly blame others for it.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 27 February 2021 17: 45
      +5
      Quote: Constanty
      this is the result of the collapse of the USSR, unable to continue to compete with the United States, mainly in the field of economics

      Yes, yes, yes, and to solve these problems it was necessary to hand over everything and everyone. I am not a fan of the USSR (there were really a lot of problems, and the construction of communism / utopia had reached a dead end), but the collapse of the country is a betrayal.
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 27 February 2021 17: 56
        +1
        I agree - however, Gorbachev did not sign the agreement on the collapse of the USSR.

        And not for the benefit of him, as intended.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 27 February 2021 18: 36
          +3
          Quote: Constanty
          however, Gorbachev did not sign the agreement on the collapse of the USSR.

          Of course, he was not the only traitor (betrayed by the entire elite), but that does not mean that he was not.
      2. military_cat
        military_cat 27 February 2021 18: 37
        -7
        Quote: Dart2027
        I am not a fan of the USSR (there were really a lot of problems, and the construction of communism / utopia had reached a dead end), but the collapse of the country is a betrayal.

        Do you think the sea of ​​problems and the dead end were on their own, and the collapse on its own? And could they be put independently or not to taste?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 27 February 2021 19: 28
          +6
          Quote: military_cat
          the sea of ​​problems and the dead end were in themselves, and the collapse in itself

          A sea of ​​problems means that these problems need to be addressed. The collapse of the country is not a solution.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 28 February 2021 12: 18
            -1
            Nobody solved these problems, and even before that someone created them with their own solutions. It would be primitive to hang all the blame only on the one at whom the safety margin is over.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 28 February 2021 19: 38
              +1
              Quote: military_cat
              Nobody solved these problems, and even before that someone created them with their own solutions.

              This is so.
              Quote: military_cat
              hang all the blame on that one

              Quote: Dart2027
              Of course, he was not the only traitor (betrayed by the entire elite), but that does not mean that he was not.
    3. Volodin
      Volodin 27 February 2021 17: 57
      +1
      Quote: Constanty
      Firstly, the collapse of the USSR and the collapse of the Warsaw Pact are not the result of a "deal" with NATO - they are the result of the collapse of the USSR, unable to continue to compete with the United States, mainly in the economic field.

      The collapse of the USSR is ... the result of the collapse of the USSR. How is it in general?

      And yes - I wonder, when did the USSR compete with the United States in the field of economics? Well, Gorbachev, of course, is "non-sentient" ... in nothing ...
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 27 February 2021 18: 02
        +1
        The USSR simply could not stand the arms race.
        Military spending destroyed the economy of the USSR, and the USSR collapsed under the weight of its own economic and social problems.

        In the end, Gorbachev's perestroika only opens our eyes to what happened before.
        If the state could not stand it, then it was weak.

        And no one wanted to save him, I repeat.
        And those who overthrew Gorbachev did not do it to save the USSR - did they?
        1. tatra
          tatra 27 February 2021 18: 19
          +1
          You, enemies of the USSR, do not even understand the meaning of your malicious and cowardly anti-Soviet methodical books, you seriously assert that which has not yet been in world history and cannot be.
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 27 February 2021 18: 25
            +2
            I am not a mindless enemy of the USSR - I believe that the world has not become better without him.

            And for the people - "Yeltsin's sadness" was worse - Putin's example shows that, despite Gorbachev, one can act differently than handing over the state to enemies and a handful of oligarchs - although the latter are still doing well.
            1. tatra
              tatra 27 February 2021 18: 39
              +1
              So we should also thank the benefactor of the enemies of the USSR, Putin, that he did not surrender Russia and the Russian people to their external enemies, like your other benefactors Gorbachev and Yeltsin? Well, you impose power on your country and people.
        2. Volodin
          Volodin 27 February 2021 18: 28
          +3
          Quote: Constanty
          The USSR collapsed under the weight of its own economic and social problems.

          The world is full of countries where economic and social problems are three orders of magnitude greater than those of the USSR, but for some reason they do not disintegrate. It's strange, isn't it ... Betrayal, the struggle of the elites and external "support" of these processes would be stupid not to admit, as well as the fact that Gorbachev was involved in all this (either out of stupidity, or ...).
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 27 February 2021 18: 33
            -3
            Other states, for example, are united on a national basis - the USSR was a special state, in which various peoples and states were often forcibly included - the events in Tbilisi, Vilnius and other countries show that they were held together by fear and strength. When this was not done, the state disintegrated - just like Austria-Hungary, and later Yugoslavia.

            And here, perhaps, Gorbachev is to blame - he gave people to stop being afraid.
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 18: 26
      +3
      Quote: Constanty
      And what is surprising, in fact, despite the oath, no one wanted to defend the USSR - neither the army, nor the citizens - and without being Western agents - no! - they just didn't want to.

      If I had known what our country would turn into, I would have gone to Moscow to beat the faces of the defenders of democracy and Yeltsin, even though I was a stupid student.
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 27 February 2021 18: 29
        +1
        The army vowed to defend the USSR - after the signing of the treaty in Bialowieza, no one reacted!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 18: 34
          +4
          Quote: Constanty
          The army vowed to defend the USSR - after the signing of the treaty in Bialowieza, no one reacted!

          Army - protection from external enemies! Nefig roll a barrel on them, all questions to the KGB workers.
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 27 February 2021 20: 19
            +5
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Army - protection from the external enemy!

            I may not know why, but since when did the 4th Guards Tank Kantemirovskaya Order of Lenin, the Red Banner Division named after Yu.V. Andropov - a tactical formation of the Land Forces of the Soviet Army of the Armed Forces of the USSR and the Russian Federation, whose tanks were hitting the Supreme Soviet, and not on the US Embassy in Moscow in 1993 became not an army unit?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 20: 35
              +3
              Quote: Sovetskiy
              whose tanks were hitting the Supreme Soviet, and not the US Embassy in Moscow in 1993, became not an army unit?

              Ah, these ... So they were promised a sack of money there. We barely found three carriages. And in front of Pasha-Mercedes flooded.
              1. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 27 February 2021 20: 43
                +2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And, these ... So they promised them a sack of money. We barely found three carriages.

                Judging by the photos of those years, there are not three crews.
                Second, what does it look like? Came this to a military unit, poured a bag of dollars and pointed out the target that needs to be wetted? So easy, without an order? And if by order, then excuse me, it turns out that the Army participated in the defeat of the Constitutional system, arranged, among other things, with the help of an external enemy. At the same time, those who gave the order have not yet been punished ...
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 20: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Sovetskiy
                  Judging by the photos of those years, there are not three crews.
                  Secondly, what does it look like in general? Did such a person come to a military unit, poured a bag of dollars and indicated the target to be wetted? So easy, without an order?

                  Four, damn it, forgot.
                  In October, our company arrived from the state farm - they helped to harvest. The foreman led the soldiers to the bathhouse, and the officers went home. I got into the shower, lathered myself, and then my wife shouted through the door: "Alarm!" I, of course, a mother to grind, but a propeller in the regiment. And there - serious vanity. The commander of our company, Grishin, said that there was a mess in Moscow, people were buzzing, we were going to put things in order. I also remember asking: what has the army to do with it, if there is a militia? Grishin said: "They are no longer enough ..."


                  - How did you go?

                  - We crawled out onto the Minskoe highway and along the side, spared the asphalt. Some kind of "Volga" began to slow us down. In the headphones, the commander swears at the mechanic: “Don't stop! Fuck her! Or throw it into a ditch! "

                  The Volga stopped us all the same. Grishin was shouting something into the very ear of the peasant from the "Volzhanka". Then - into the tank, and went on. And Grishin shouts to me: "This man said:" Son, get a bag of money, just save Yeltsin from enemies! "

                  The imaginary bag of money was inspiring. Early in the morning we approached the hotel "Ukraine" along Kutuza. Two of our tanks were already at the White House. Then two more came up.

                  - What ammunition did you have?

                  - Different. There were both educational blanks and cumulative ones ... That's when I realized that the case smelled like kerosene. And there were also cartridges for machine guns ... Colonel-General Kondratyev approached. Said, "If somebody is afraid, they can leave." Nobody left. I was hoping that maybe I didn't have to shoot ...

                  - Did you understand what was happening?

                  - Grishin told me that our task is to "demonstrate strength." At first there was no talk of firing seriously.

                  Read on WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/24174/385092/
                  1. Sotskiy
                    Sotskiy 27 February 2021 20: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Colonel-General Kondratyev came up. Said, "If somebody is afraid, they can leave." Nobody left.

                    This is just a confirmation of what I wrote above. hi
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 21: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: Sovetskiy
                      This is just a confirmation of what I wrote above.

                      Heh, from the same place:
                      Anyone who performed the task at the "White House", after 93, lived uncomfortably in a military town. The officers, who clearly kept their membership cards, called us "traitors" and "murderers." Then leaflets appeared on the fences - with a death sentence and a list of our names. At night, stones were thrown at the windows ... I had to ask to go to other districts. But even there the crap rumor went. Moreover, in the personal file of each there were written down gratitude from Yeltsin. And everyone has the same date - October ... And it's clear to the fool ...



                      Read on WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/24174/385092/
                      1. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 27 February 2021 21: 13
                        +2
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        But even there the crap rumor went.

                        So what? Here, the one who is marked with a "kind" word is also remembered, and at least spit in his eyes, God's dew will say. Officially, the work started by Gorby & Yeltsin continues.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 21: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Officially, the work started by Gorby & Yeltsin continues.

                        But there is no need to roll a barrel for one army. Everyone is fucking guilty. In 91 I accompanied my brother to the Urals, there were about 15 people in the square with a poster: "Down with the Emergency Committee!"
                        And among them a former classmate noticed. Now he works in security for 15 thousand. Ugh! And he studied to be a machinist. Now we have electric trains and there is no nichrome.
                      3. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 27 February 2021 21: 38
                        +3
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        But there is no need to roll a barrel for one army.

                        And I don't, but the fact that the army took part is a fact.
                        It so happened, I got to Moscow in transit at the moment when the first McDonald's opened there. And against the background of the kilometer-long queue that migrated from the Lenin Mausoleum to the McDonald's queue, it was very clearly seen that the conquests of the ancestors and their ideals even then did not fucking need the generation of "Soviet" citizens, from the word at all. We needed imported "minibuses", on which the whole country was put on a needle. It was sad to look at this, realizing that you cannot change this herd madness.
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 22: 10
                        +3
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        It was sad to look at this, realizing that you cannot change this herd madness.

                        In general, I was fucking crazy when I saw this line. It would be why, otherwise ... request
                      5. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 27 February 2021 22: 26
                        -1
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        It was sad to look at this, realizing that you cannot change this herd madness.

                        In general, I was fucking crazy when I saw this line. It would be why, otherwise ... request

                        To do this, the marked and arranged a "dry" law with the cutting down of vineyards, and then a shortage of all socially significant goods, so that the American "refrigerator" in the form of Bush's legs would defeat the Soviet "TV". About these sabotages, Nevzorov filmed videos in "600 seconds", when cars of frozen domestic chicken were dumped directly into the forest, just not to deliver them to stores. Apparently they followed the path of the "bread riot" as in February 1917, which was again justified. Now Putin has started talking about food ration cards .... Why would that be? wink
                      6. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 22: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        when carriages of frozen chicken were dumped directly into the forest, just do not deliver them to stores

                        Yes, somehow they stumbled upon a huge pile of empty boxes of washing powder in the 90th year. Lotus, and what else, I don't remember. They did not understand what it actually meant. The powder was still in short supply, Proctol Gamble had not yet taken over our enterprise completely ... Well, it remained an incomprehensible secret.
                      7. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 27 February 2021 22: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Well, it remained an incomprehensible secret.

                        Yes, everything was clear there. According to "perestroika" it was called price liberalization, when the goods were kept at state prices, and after the "price tag liberalization" they sold the same goods in the tridorog or stupidly destroyed, so that some people would not be hindered from "competing." We were prepared for the European market prices. wink
                      8. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 22: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Yes, everything was clear there.

                        They were empty boxes. Newbies, packed in large boxes, I don't remember how many there were.
                      9. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 27 February 2021 22: 49
                        +2
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        They were empty boxes. Newbies, packed in large boxes, I don't remember how many there were.

                        Along the way, already then someone "threw" someone on the goods. lol
                      10. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 22: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Along the way, already then someone "threw" someone on the goods.

                        At that time, too, we had a thought, to fill it with sand and drive it to the co-operators. wink
                      11. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 27 February 2021 22: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Along the way, already then someone "threw" someone on the goods.

                        At that time, too, we had a thought, to fill it with sand and drive it to the co-operators. wink

                        Here it is "entrepreneurial" vein! laughing good
                      12. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 22: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Here it is "entrepreneurial" vein!

                        There was not enough arrogance, age and base. Well, it’s not like calling customers into the forest for this powder. We were 16 years old.
                      13. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 27 February 2021 23: 01
                        +2
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Here it is "entrepreneurial" vein!

                        There was not enough arrogance, age and base. Well, it’s not like calling customers into the forest for this powder. We were 16 years old.

                        And I remember how the people "loved" these cooperators for their "entrepreneurial spirit", when the raw materials were taken at state prices, and the goods were brought in at market prices. So it was not a big sin to throw such "entrepreneurs". laughing
                      14. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 23: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        And I remember how the people "loved" these cooperators for their "entrepreneurial spirit", when the raw materials were taken at state prices, and the goods were brought in at market prices.

                        Yeah, the shops are empty, but they have sausages in the cafe at a price ten times more than the state.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 27 February 2021 23: 06
    +4
    Addendum about the army. There was also a squad of sailors under the command of Senior Lieutenant Igor Ostapenko, who from the naval communications point near Noginsk at night with weapons went to the defense of the Supreme Soviet. They were ambushed by the Ministry of Internal Affairs on the Gorkovskoye Highway and realizing that it was not possible to break through, he ordered the sailors to surrender, and he himself shot himself. Army General Varennikov gave his Star of Hero to the parents of I. Ostapenko,
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 27 February 2021 23: 15
    +1
    Quote: Aviator_
    Addendum about the army. There was also a squad of sailors under the command of Senior Lieutenant Igor Ostapenko, who from the naval communications point near Noginsk at night with weapons went to the defense of the Supreme Soviet. They were ambushed by the Ministry of Internal Affairs on the Gorkovskoye Highway and realizing that it was not possible to break through, he ordered the sailors to surrender, and he himself shot himself. Army General Varennikov gave his Star of Hero to the parents of I. Ostapenko,

    This only confirms that coups are being made in capitals in high offices. Unfortunately, there were only a few people like General Varennikov at that time.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 27 February 2021 22: 20
    +3
    One of those tank commanders in the fall of 1994 participated in the unsuccessful overthrow of Dudayev, was caught by the Chechens and was shown on TV. There was a photo in Anpil's "Lightning". Like Captain Rudoy. Well, it's not with the unarmed defenders of the House of Soviets to fight.
  • Pilot
    Pilot 27 February 2021 19: 17
    0
    Quote: Constanty
    The army vowed to defend the USSR - after the signing of the treaty in Bialowieza, no one reacted!
    Was there an armed invasion by an adversary? Or at that moment and in front of him all the KGB officers were imprisoned and shot? .. and after? Don't talk nonsense!
  • bober1982
    bober1982 27 February 2021 20: 41
    -1
    Quote: Constanty
    The army vowed to defend the USSR - after the signing of the treaty in Bialowieza, no one reacted!

    At the time of the signing of the Belovezhskaya agreements, no Soviet Army existed, it was taken away to the former republics.
    For example, in Ukraine, all military formations came under local jurisdiction in August 1991, all three military districts.
    There is no one and nothing
    was to defend.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 27 February 2021 21: 32
      +2
      Quote: bober1982
      For example, in Ukraine, all military formations came under local jurisdiction in August 1991, all three military districts.

      Just after the putsch, they began to move.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 28 February 2021 08: 02
        -2
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Just after the putsch, they began to move.

        Yes, on August 24, and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine was created and in fact the Soviet Army disbanded itself. They began to react not about the collapse of the Union, but solely among themselves, on the basis of personal hostility.
        The USSR itself, like the SA, was of no use to anyone, even before the Treaty of Belovezhsk.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 28 February 2021 17: 31
    0
    Quote: Constanty
    And they overthrew him not in order to save the USSR, but in order to get themselves - and this as the president of Russia, and then Ukraine, and then Belarus - Yeltsin, Kuchma, Shushkevich.
    Why is there "then"? If this is the degree of involvement and readiness for the collapse of the USSR, then the sequence here is probably different: Shushkevich, Yeltsin, Kuchma.
    Quote: Constanty
    no one wanted to defend the USSR - neither the army, nor the citizens - and without being Western agents - no! - they just didn't want
    Indifference was fostered in schools by vows and solemn promises in the face of comrades. If the pioneer did not try to be like Pavlik Morozov, did not denounce classmates who were lying and spoiling school property at meetings, he became either indifferent to ideology, or a "bully", or a Komsomol organizer aimed at using communist phraseology for his personal career. Here you do not know who to be more afraid of: hooligans, indifferent or careerists. And the "area of ​​economics" is the second, stage of collapse, politics is the third.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 27 February 2021 17: 35
    +4
    Once we have already agreed with the cheaters of the United States, the second time such a trick will not work ... Gorbachev is a traitor and a renegade ... this becomes quite obvious.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 27 February 2021 17: 37
    +2
    Grandpa began to fall into insanity.
    Just like my father-in-law.
    Our meetings (with my father-in-law, about the same age) do not carry any constructiveness. From the word, absolutely.
    Therefore, I finished communicating with him.
    And he betrayed him to Anathema. Figuratively speaking.
    As on the site I already have a lot of warnings.
    1. Nikolay1987
      Nikolay1987 27 February 2021 17: 40
      +1
      Grandfathers are everywhere grandfathers)
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 27 February 2021 18: 58
        0
        No.
        Grandfathers are such grandfathers! ...
        Although I myself have been like a grandfather for ten years. Well then, such ...
  • Nikolay1987
    Nikolay1987 27 February 2021 17: 40
    +1
    That's right, there is nothing to talk about on the phone, you have to personally, eye to eye.
  • cniza
    cniza 27 February 2021 17: 44
    +6
    Gorbachev called on Putin and Biden to meet and "not be bullied at each other"


    And this one there, you already wrote that Russia is now surrounded ...
    1. Kisa
      Kisa 27 February 2021 20: 21
      0
      I remember it was small then, but the memories are vivid - the first teleconference with the Americans - they saw each other live in the USSR, there was no sex, and so on))). but it would be interesting in the age of the Internet of globalization to bypass the pumping Skabeevu Solovyov and arrange something like that. I would learn a lot about each other
      1. cniza
        cniza 27 February 2021 20: 44
        +4
        And who is stopping you from communicating with them directly? The Internet age is no problem ...
  • venik
    venik 27 February 2021 17: 48
    +3
    "... Mikhail Gorbachev added that Vladimir Putin and Joseph Biden need to come to an agreement, and “not be bullied at each other"..."
    ======
    Pancake! Only this "humpbacked monster" together with his "maxims" was just not enough!
    It’s not good to say that, but, so that he with ..... x, hurry up, together with all his "cleverness"! Ur-r-r-r-od! am
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 27 February 2021 17: 58
    +4
    "Your opinion is extremely valuable to you. Please stay on line" - and Zero's song "Drive the cockroaches"
  • seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 27 February 2021 17: 59
    0
    Aftopy- called, a fait accompli. Maybe more modestly, just called?
  • iouris
    iouris 27 February 2021 18: 18
    +4
    Who is Gorbachev? Is that Gorby? What's his Bavarian business?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 February 2021 18: 18
    +7
    Sitting spotted bald and not blather. Raika has been longing for you ghoul.
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 27 February 2021 19: 00
      +5
      He puts on truancy?! .. crying
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 27 February 2021 18: 20
    0
    It would be better if this pa.lo told what his pseudonym is for the mattress makers.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 February 2021 18: 21
    +1
    Gorbachev called on Putin and Biden to meet and "not be bullied at each other"
    belay KOZEL teaches buffalo and bison good manners. request
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 February 2021 18: 25
    +5
    Misha, we'll forgive everything, only the collapse of the United States laughing
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 27 February 2021 19: 47
      +1
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Misha, we'll forgive everything, only the collapse of the United States laughing

      The ass is not the same ... request
  • comradChe
    comradChe 27 February 2021 18: 48
    +8
    Nits! But not so much Gorbachev, as those who do not give a course to the trial over him. From one "forest" wolf berries.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 27 February 2021 18: 52
    +2
    This is where this one climbs ?! Everything that he could ruin, where he could screw up everywhere and there. Counselor, EPRST!
  • Tagan
    Tagan 27 February 2021 18: 55
    0
    Quote: Israel

    But this is certainly not an excuse for Russia, which is for the most part a “gas station” or, as it is now fashionable, an “energy power”.

    So for the most part?
    Have you come up with?
  • potap6509
    potap6509 27 February 2021 19: 00
    +4
    I want to write a lot, but these are obscene words, so the administrator of the baths, I will survive, Gorbach K_O_Z_L_I_N_A.
  • opuonmed
    opuonmed 27 February 2021 19: 48
    +3
    we do not ask Judas!
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 27 February 2021 19: 52
    +1
    Gorbachev made a statement ...

    They have forgotten the marked, and there is nothing worse than oblivion for such "personalities". They don't even call for pizza ads anymore, so through the "statement" he simply reminded that he had not yet died on the lawn of his villa Das Hubertus Schlössl in Rottach-Egern.
  • north 2
    north 2 27 February 2021 20: 04
    +2
    People didn’t stick an aspen stake on Yeltsin’s mogu just because he left Putin the heir to power and Putin saved Russia. I can imagine what kind of aspen picket fence will grow on the grave of Judas Misha the Labeled. He left the Soviet people only that he deceived and betrayed our Motherland. But life must be lived so that, first of all, not to spoil his obituary and epitaph ... And the more often this Judas reminds of himself, the thicker the aspen palisade on his grave will be. Although I, as a Christian, do not even wish death to Judas. But I am sure that Dante is right that betrayal and treason to the Motherland is the most terrible sin, and it is Judas, Brutus and Cassius who are waiting for their accomplice Misha Marked in the ninth circle of hell and all three mouths to gnaw the traitor of our Motherland with them, Lucifer has already gaped in hell there.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 February 2021 20: 24
    0
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Misha, we'll forgive everything, only the collapse of the United States laughing

    The ass is not the same ... request

    Until he promises to lie on the rails, you can not pay attention. laughing
  • tTshka
    tTshka 27 February 2021 20: 25
    +1
    Put to sleep the spotted one !!!
  • Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 27 February 2021 20: 37
    -1
    It's high time to unite
    and crush enemies together.
  • north 2
    north 2 27 February 2021 20: 43
    +3
    Quote: comradChe
    Nits! But not so much Gorbachev, as those who do not give a course to the trial over him. From one "forest" wolf berries.

    that's how Biden will react to this statement by Gorbachev, we are not interested. And it is quite another matter how Putin will react to such a statement by Gorbachev. In fact, Gorbachev told Putin ... why are you there in front of Biden ...
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 27 February 2021 21: 03
    +2
    Pancake! Someone's "cow" would hum; and Gorbachevskaya ... it would be better if she were silent! He spoiled the country in the most talentless way, and now he "advises"!
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 27 February 2021 21: 34
    +2
    The "terminology" shows that the vocabulary is at the "six" level. In general, is anyone interested in the opinion of a bastard who betrayed and sold the country, who, in fact, became the cause of the death of millions of people on the territory of the "former USSR"? It is not necessary to quote him, but to drown him in the toilet.
  • zenion
    zenion 27 February 2021 21: 41
    0
    It is surprising that he is not taken either to Purgatory or to Hell.
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 27 February 2021 22: 33
      +1
      it was said long ago, they are afraid that it will ruin ...
  • Dikson
    Dikson 27 February 2021 21: 42
    +1
    What, Mikhail Sergeyich began to fear for his Germany? Afraid that a rocket will arrive at the house where he writes his memoirs about the betrayal of the Empire? Let him be afraid, Judas is clumsy .. Is he like Putin persuading him to follow his path, to play with the Americans in his arms, to sell his homeland for some Nobel Prize? Enough talking to them already ... And there is nothing to listen to this old worm either ..
  • Nick rex
    Nick rex 27 February 2021 21: 57
    -4
    ..NATO continues to exist ..
    Why not? They strive to join this military alliance, but there are no willing ones to leave. In turn, Russia has no allies and cannot organize a bloc, remaining a loner. Draw your own conclusions.
    Natural selection, tax heh
  • Fat
    Fat 27 February 2021 21: 57
    0
    If in Hawaii - the norm.
    It is Biden who is very unhappy.
    Putin seems to care
    Biden come ... and go
    And everything else
    "Zeroing"
  • YURI N.
    YURI N. 27 February 2021 22: 17
    +2
    Mikhail Sergeevich! You have already done so much for Russia that it is better for you to shut up ...
    Isn't that why the earth does not accept you?
    And will the Russian people allow you to be buried in Russia when the time comes? ..........
  • vadimab
    vadimab 27 February 2021 22: 28
    0
    Mr. Gorbachev, the former first and only president of a great country, has no faith. For he, so peace-loving, was happily tricked by his NATO ... partners. Probably the leader of a great country has no right to be so naive ...
    1. rjpthju
      rjpthju 27 February 2021 23: 19
      +2
      Nobody circled him. He knew what he was doing. You don't need to make a deceived saint out of him.
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 27 February 2021 22: 31
    0
    sigh and think without loving,
    when the devil takes you ...
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd 27 February 2021 22: 59
    0
    Who is covering the statements of this traitor? The best punishment is oblivion.
  • rjpthju
    rjpthju 27 February 2021 23: 17
    +1
    The traitor ... calls, was silent in a rag and would pray to be remembered less often. Although .. Putin may listen. One betrays, the other falls apart. They are doing one thing, using different methods - they are destroying Russia and the people.
  • rjpthju
    rjpthju 27 February 2021 23: 22
    +1
    Bad relations with the West are now badly needed by Putin. A reason not to invite Western observers to the Duma elections.
  • Viktor Afanasev
    Viktor Afanasev 27 February 2021 23: 45
    0
    It seems that Humpback found the elixir of life, became immortal wink laughing
    Or he hasn't finished fulfilling his mission here yet ... what
  • Viktor Afanasev
    Viktor Afanasev 28 February 2021 00: 03
    0
    Interestingly, will Baybiden listen to Uncle Misha ??? what laughing
    Maybe Humpback will officially move to Washington? Replace PSAKI lol