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"Selling Rare Earth Metals to Opponents": Chinese Readers' Reaction to Japan's F-35 Fighter Jets

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In Japan, at the facilities of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, the first F-2021A fighter in 35 was produced under an American license. Recall that Japan is among the countries of the world that are implementing a joint program with the Americans to create fifth generation fighters.


From a Japanese press report:

It is a good day for Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' southern site in Komaki. On this day, the 23rd F-35A aircraft was launched in Japan. It was immediately handed over to the Japanese Air Self-Defense Force. And this is the first F-35A fighter launched in our country in 2021.

This information generated a lot of interest in China. The fact is that materials from the USA are supplied to Japan for the production of F-35 fighters. Among other things - products from rare earth metals and the rare earth metals themselves, which (metals) the United States purchases from China. It was this fact that caused outrage from Chinese users.

Here are a few comments of Chinese readers to the material of the Sina Military publication, where they talked about the use of rare earth metals mined in the PRC for the construction of fighters in Japan. The reaction is mostly negative.

It worries me that Mitsubishi is making high-tech military products based on Chinese raw materials, giving it an additional opportunity to invade China. But many of our officials were in favor of opening representative offices of the Japanese Mitsubishi in China, arguing this with issues of economic cooperation. As a result, they use our metals, withdraw money from China to create military equipment aimed at China.

Surprisingly, we export rare earth metals to our opponents, they build aircraft based on our raw materials. At the same time, we ourselves cannot create an engine for the J-20 fighter.

Japan is a US ally, and this is understandable. But why are we still selling critical raw materials to the United States, who call us their main enemies?

We need to develop our industrial potential. Militarily, it's time to bring the creation of the J-31 to its logical conclusion. Then he can be based on our aircraft carriers. And Japan will have problems.

Earlier in Japan, information was announced about the discovery of huge deposits of rare earth metals. We are talking about a field located in the Pacific Ocean near the island of Minamitori. It was found that the deposit is rich in yttrium, europium, terbium and dysprosium. However, Japan has not really started the development of this field yet.
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  1. YOUR
    YOUR 27 February 2021 13: 45
    +7
    I am concerned that Mitsubishi is making high-tech military products based on Chinese raw materials, giving it an additional opportunity to invade China.

    That's how it worries them. And we have sold all the titanium for 20 years in advance and they think that this is a great achievement. So for every fireman, without our titanium, the Americans pulled their hyper weapons program in a row and problems arose with aviation.
    But in gratitude to Sergei Kulikov for making such a deal, he sold 20 billion titanium, which is about 20% lower than the prevailing world ones, he was appointed head of Rusnano instead of Chubais.
    1. figwam
      figwam 27 February 2021 13: 56
      +1
      Quote: YOUR
      So for every fireman, without our titanium

      Titanium can be bought in many countries around the world, including on the outskirts.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 February 2021 15: 06
        +1
        Quote: figvam
        Titanium can be bought in many countries around the world, including on the outskirts.

        I understand everything, but why do some of the VOs care about this ???
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 27 February 2021 14: 00
      -1
      Quote: YOUR
      so it worries them.

      What has been sold, is being sold and, most likely, will continue to be sold.
    3. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 27 February 2021 14: 42
      +4
      Yes, and some who sell the RD-180 to a potential enemy. And it is not a fact that with the help of them reconnaissance satellites are not displayed. So let's say frankly from someone who does not see a log in his own eye.
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 27 February 2021 15: 00
      +1
      Quote: YOUR
      And we have sold all the titanium for 20 years in advance and they think that this is a great achievement.

      And not only ! In the 90s it was written that they sold to the Americans 500 tons of uranium, for a penny, and was considered a "great" achievement!
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 27 February 2021 15: 45
        +1
        A bit wrong. Sold 1993 tons of enriched weapons-grade plutonium as fuel for American nuclear power plants in 500 under the Gora-Chernomyrdin agreement. At the same time, within the framework of the same agreement, our country over the next years gave the United States another 14446 tons of low-enriched uranium. For which they received as much as 17 billion dollars. On the market, it cost $ 8 trillion.
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 27 February 2021 15: 49
          -1
          Quote: YOUR
          For which they received as much as 17 billion dollars. It cost $ 8 trillion on the market.

          And how can you react to this in literary Russian ?! Just keep quiet, to us.
          And let comrade "Kalashnikov" have his say!
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          1. YOUR
            YOUR 28 February 2021 03: 24
            0
            Find yourself the Gore-Chernomyrdin agreement. And follow the words
            1. standan
              standan 28 February 2021 17: 04
              0
              https://matveychev-oleg.livejournal.com/3578869.html
            2. standan
              standan 28 February 2021 19: 42
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              https://yurasumy.livejournal.com/1044118.html
            3. standan
              standan 28 February 2021 20: 24
              0
              In 1985, the US government stopped funding the American Centrifuge (hereinafter - AC) program at the stage of butting the iPhone conquerors with a 12-meter fool, which the Americans called SET III. You can giggle at all sorts of symbolists, but Set is the god of death in Ancient Egypt ... What was the United States left with after the end of this project? 104 NPP reactors across the country - times. Two - a considerable stock of nuclear warheads, in which there is no way without uranium-235. But uranium-235 enriched to 90% + is not eternal. Uranium-235 is decaying, because it is radioactive. His concentration is falling, which is obvious. What is less obvious is that during the decay, all sorts of ugly chemical elements appear, which degrade the quality of the warhead. The conclusion is that weapons-grade uranium must be produced constantly, warheads must be designed constantly in order to replace those that are slowly failing with "fresh" ones. Therefore, in that very 1985, the United States had to enrich uranium both for peaceful nuclear power plants and for the non-peaceful Pentagon. And after the iPhone with the AC, the United States has exactly 1 (one) enrichment plant - a "grid" in the town of Paducah. Devouring a frantic amount of energy, requiring incredible efforts to remove heat (there were freon leaks and all sorts of other minor accidents). One plant for 104 reactors and for warheads.

              Let's think purely logically. It is impossible to stop a nuclear power plant from the word "in any way" - air conditioners in America are obliged to hum, televisions - to work, iPhones - to charge. The Paducah plant had a capacity of 8.5 million SWU / year, the needs of the nuclear power plant alone in that 1985 were from 11 to 12 million SWU. That is, only for a peaceful atom, enriched uranium-235 had to be bought on the side. And then there's the warheads! But the United States did not spend the warheads, unlike fuel uranium, - well, there was no nuclear war. Logic dictates: in order not to become completely dependent on imports of fuel uranium, first it was necessary to stop the production of weapons-grade uranium. So? So. Moreover, by 1985, the United States had accumulated 32 nuclear warheads. To be honest, for the planet the earth is "zamny".

              At this time, the future best German, Mikhail Gorbachev, came to power in distant Mordor. Remember this one? And what did we hear from the TV? You give an international detente, you give a decrease in the number of edren-loaves !!! Peacefulness of the USA? Shchazzz! 8.5 mln SWU - opportunity, 11-12 mln SWU - need. Nothing personal just business. But it was not at all necessary to talk about it - it was possible to shout much louder cries about peacefulness and attacks of pacifism. Negotiations began between the USSR and the USA on the preparation of a START Treaty - on the Reduction of Offensive Armaments. Beautiful, is not it? Shoving your technological problems somewhere in a secret place and telling how you loved the whole planet and humanity to boot is a masterful trick!

              Well, why was the reaction of the USSR "approved, sir"? 1) The best German. 2) 4 enrichment plants with a capacity of 20+ million SWU with a need for nuclear power plants in the USSR and CMEA about 9 million. Got it? We will both reduce the number of vigorous loaves and restore their number if something goes wrong. Let me remind you that in 1987 our Techsnabexport began supplying fuel uranium to the United States. Who tells what stories about "the technological backwardness of the socialist economy against the background of an incredibly advanced capitalist"? Huh? ... There was a third reason why the USSR went to these same strategic offensive arms. In 1985, the USSR had 44 vigorous loaves with 000 carriers. 24 edren-loaves - either spare or extra. Remember this figure, please. 000 conventional nuclear warhead is 20 kg of weapons-grade uranium. 000 nuclear warheads = 1 tons, check on a calculator.

              Then I recitative a little, pay attention to the dates. July 30, 1991 - START-1 is signed. According to it, the United States reduced the number of nuclear warheads to 8, the USSR - to 500. Other clauses of this treaty, according to which they reduced the number of carriers, that is, missiles, are not the subject of the Needle. October 6, 500 - The New York Times published an article by the atomic scientist Thomas Neff "The Great Uranium Deal", in which the idea was first announced to turn Soviet weapons-grade uranium into fuel uranium, bring it to the United States, where it would be burned in "furnaces" NUCLEAR PLANT. We also remember the date December 24, 1991 - the USSR died, the Russian Federation became the heir. One more logical question: what will the 22 Needles do in the USSR if they do not need to be distracted by weapons-grade uranium, with the prices of fuel uranium? Provided that the European "Igla" gives the cost of fuel uranium 1991 times higher than the Soviet one, and the American cost on the "grid" is 4 times higher? That's right - to bring down the market in order to get a monopoly. But the Americans know a lot about "market competition", and in the summer of 2,5 they introduced an export duty on fuel uranium from Russia - 12%. Market. Competitive. Not only that: just a month later, the United States ... is suspending the imposition of a duty on Russian LEU (low enriched uranium) produced from HEU. Took natural ore, enrich it - get a duty. He took a warhead, diluted uranium to fuel - Welcome.
              1. standan
                standan 28 February 2021 20: 24
                +1
                The carrot and stick made in USA is understandable, now let's recall what happened in Russia in 1992. Do you remember? That's right - no one had any money, and Rosatom never dreamed of any increase in electricity tariffs from its nuclear power plant. Moreover, the main uranium deposits in the same year became foreign - Kazakh, Uzbek, Ukrainian. All that was available on the territory of Russia itself was the Priargunskoye deposit, which produced 2 tons of ore with an annual demand for Russia's own needs of 500. And what could be done in such a wonderful environment? To slow down centrifuges, to preserve or privatize factories? .. I am not the most zealous Christian, but remembering. that Minatom (the predecessor of the current Rosatom) avoided both of these options - no, no, and I will cross myself. Chernomyrdin, who came to the post of prime minister, gave the go-ahead to the beginning of negotiations of the Gore-Chernomyrdin commission according to the scheme proposed by Neff: converting highly enriched uranium into low-enriched uranium and supplying the latter to the United States. Yes, let's introduce a term that is understandable to atomic scientists: they call this transformation of HEU into LEU "dilution". Not a word about any alcohol, moonshine, home brew!)

                On February 14, 1993, an intergovernmental agreement was signed "On the Use of HEU Recovered from Nuclear Weapons." A total figure of 500 tons of HEU appeared in the Agreement. Exactly as much as there was "extra / spare". I don’t know what efforts it cost Chernomyrdin not to allow this volume to be increased, but he did it.

                The main idea that the Americans hammered into the Agreement is that the budget of their state will not be involved in paying a single cent. LEU received from Russia entered the market - nuclear power plants in the United States are privately owned. They took LEU from Russia, brought it, sold it to a private nuclear power plant - paid off. In order to turn the Agreement into a Contract, both parties transferred all further negotiations into the hands of professionals: TENEX on the part of Russia and USEC on the American side. In 1993, the US Enrichment Company - American Enrichment Company - was a structural unit of the US Department of Energy. In order not to write out such long phrases every time, I will use the abbreviation: TSE, USEC and DOE (US Department of Energy)

                TSE and USEC have been negotiating for almost a year - the HEU-LEU contract was signed only on January 14, 1994. When someone invites you to look at HEU-LEU as a one-time agreement a la "hit the seals and rush" - slap the head of such a storyteller. If I want to hammer the entire text of the Contract into the hametka, then I will have to place its "integral parts" - 20 (twenty - in words) changes to it ... Initially, everything was kind of simple: TSE supplies, USEC sells and pays to TSE , and pays separately for the natural component of LEU ("initial" uranium ore), separately for the dilution work .. But TSE has been working in foreign markets for so many years - the Contract immediately provided for a price change depending on what is happening on the market. Trifle? Of course! In 1994, the amount of the Contract was $ 10 billion, and when the actual payment was summed up in 2014, it turned out that Russia had received $ 17 billion. To understand my puppy delight that Minatom avoided the privatization of its structural units: of these 17 billion, 13 became tax deductions. In the 90s - taxes, and in foreign currency ...

                Yes, to finish with the political part of HEU-LEU, I will dwell on one more point. This moment is called "Ukraine". No, I was not mistaken, it was "Ukraine". Keeping 2014 in mind and reading about the events of 1994, okay? On the same day when the HEU-LEU Contract was signed, January 14, 1994, another document was signed: a trilateral statement by the presidents of the United States, Russia and Ukraine, which settled the remaining controversial issues regarding Ukraine's acquisition of nuclear-free status. Ukraine wanted to receive compensation for 1 (one thousand nine hundred) strategic warheads transferred to Russia. I wanted it - $ 900 billion. In 2. Yeltsin's RF did not have such money in the budget from the word "absolutely". But thanks to the Contract - there was, but not money: Ukraine received compensation with fuel for its nuclear power plants. In May 1994, a Russian-Ukrainian intergovernmental agreement was signed providing for the supply of 1994 fuel assemblies (FAs) to Ukraine in the amount of $ 1 million as compensation for the same 800 warheads. And the exchange took place, by 160 Russia remained the only post-Soviet state with a nuclear arsenal of weapons. Yes, the figure of 1 million is also quite sly: 900 fuel assemblies were enough to keep all Ukrainian NPPs running smoothly for 1996 years. After that, Ukraine received fuel assemblies already at commercial prices - in the amount of about $ 160 million a year. That 1 million x 800 is the real amount of compensation received by Ukraine for its nuclear-free status, practically the same 3 billion.

                Now I’ll ask: are there still those who are unhappy with the fact that Russia went to HEU-LEU? The full operation of all our centrifuges, the preservation of the most valuable thing in the atomic project - People, taxes for the budget and a nuclear-free Ukraine - are one side of the scale. What you want to offer to the second bowl will not outweigh. Well, in my opinion, of course.
      2. Quadro
        Quadro 28 February 2021 01: 01
        +1
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Quote: YOUR
        And we have sold all the titanium for 20 years in advance and they think that this is a great achievement.

        And not only ! In the 90s it was written that they sold to the Americans 500 tons of uranium, for a penny, and was considered a "great" achievement!

        AND? Now look at the state of the American nuclear power industry - they cannot enrich to the required condition, they have lost their competence in the construction of nuclear power plants. And if they hadn't sold it, hell knows, maybe there would have been competitors from there, and so relaxed.
    5. ironic
      ironic 28 February 2021 16: 41
      -1
      Check out:
      https://www.metalresearch.ru/titanium_market.html
      8.3%?
  2. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 27 February 2021 13: 45
    -1
    "Selling Rare Earth Metals to Opponents": Chinese Readers' Reaction to Japan's F-35 Fighter Jets


    Well, if this is for the production of such a g as the F-35, then it can be sold, it will pass for subversive activities, lowering the defense capability of the US Air Force, since it is expensive and long they do not fly even new ones as a rule.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 27 February 2021 14: 00
    +2
    "Selling Rare Earth Metals to Opponents": Chinese Readers' Reaction to Japan's F-35 Fighter Jets

    Well, yes, just business!
    The analogy, as it were, is the same as before, when more developed peoples sold weapons to barbarians ... to their own perdition!?!?
    To converge or not?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 27 February 2021 21: 07
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      more advanced peoples sold weapons to barbarians ... to their own destruction

      Are the Chinese more developed people? Yes, they clutched at the status of a third world country with their teeth, you can't pull it out. This status allows them to spit on the environment and working conditions, which is why they have such cheap rare earths. In any civilized country where it would be necessary to capture and store hazardous waste somewhere, and provide safe working conditions, these rare earths would cost many times more, and there are many deposits where, including in America itself.
      And in fact, China is exactly what the third world is. Yes, a couple hundred million have settled down badly and are skimming off globalization, but more than a billion still live under socialism at about the same standard of living as it was under Mao, on a bowl of rice a day. And for good reason. If you try to make all of them consume the same level as in the West, the rest of the world will have to go on a diet of one bowl of rice a day, well, or go to bread and water, because in the whole world they do not produce so much food.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 February 2021 21: 30
        0
        Verbal ... the flow could have been smaller, nothing new was expressed for me ...
        An analogy was offered, as it was expressed, when then it is not necessary for it to completely coincide with the texture ...
        It can also be translated so that those who HAVE are sold to those who need it ...
        The question is, are they doing it in vain or not in vain?
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 27 February 2021 23: 23
        -1
        Quote: Nagan

        And in fact, China is exactly what the third world is. Yes, a couple hundred million have settled down not well and are skimming off globalization, but more than a billion still live under socialism at about the same standard of living that they had under Mao, on a bowl of rice a day. ...
        On February 25, 2021, Chairman of the Communist Party of the People's Republic of China Xi Jinping announced "Victory over extreme poverty in China."
        According to the Chinese themselves - "poverty in the PRC is BEATED" ... So - only rich Chinese live in China bully and NOT RICH Chinese sad ... and poor Chinese NO.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 27 February 2021 23: 32
          +2
          Quote: cat Rusich
          poor Chinese NO

          According to the statements of Soviet university textbooks, either a political scientist or scientific communism, the USSR held complete and final victory of socialism and built developed socialism as the first phase of communismand that was in the mid-1980s. So where is socialism now? I'm not asking about communism anymore.
          The Chinese, too, can juggle words as they want, but in fact over a billion live in conditions that in most other countries would be considered below the poverty line.
      3. Quadro
        Quadro 28 February 2021 01: 09
        -1
        Quote: Nagan
        Quote: rocket757
        more advanced peoples sold weapons to barbarians ... to their own destruction

        Are the Chinese more developed people? Yes, they clutched at the status of a third world country with their teeth, you can't pull it out. This status allows them to spit on the environment and working conditions, which is why they have such cheap rare earths. In any civilized country where it would be necessary to capture and store hazardous waste somewhere, and provide safe working conditions, these rare earths would cost many times more, and there are many deposits where, including in America itself.
        And in fact, China is exactly what the third world is. Yes, a couple hundred million have settled down badly and are skimming off globalization, but more than a billion still live under socialism at about the same standard of living as it was under Mao, on a bowl of rice a day. And for good reason. If you try to make all of them consume the same level as in the West, the rest of the world will have to go on a diet of one bowl of rice a day, well, or go to bread and water, because in the whole world they do not produce so much food.

        Some kind of stream of thoughts. First, learn what the "third world" is. Secondly, China is a civilized country with a culture of a couple of thousand years, if not more, it is Europe and the United States, unwashed barbarians who roam everywhere to rob. Thirdly, it is not China that eats little, but the United States is eating three throats with the EU and will not calm down in any way, in China already the salary is higher than ours, they are actively settling from poor villages in comfortable cities (for them an anthill is the norm), giving people work ... And we are trying to shove everyone in the ass of the world, as with a Far Eastern hectare, where there is no infrastructure, no amenities, and even the standard of living is so-so and the climate is shit.
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 28 February 2021 14: 15
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          Quote: Quadro
          Quote: Nagan
          Quote: rocket757
          more advanced peoples sold weapons to barbarians ... to their own destruction

          Are the Chinese more developed people? Yes, they clutched at the status of a third world country with their teeth, you can't pull it out. This status allows them to spit on the environment and working conditions, which is why they have such cheap rare earths. In any civilized country where it would be necessary to capture and store hazardous waste somewhere, and provide safe working conditions, these rare earths would cost many times more, and there are many deposits where, including in America itself.
          And in fact, China is exactly what the third world is. Yes, a couple hundred million have settled down badly and are skimming off globalization, but more than a billion still live under socialism at about the same standard of living as it was under Mao, on a bowl of rice a day. And for good reason. If you try to make all of them consume the same level as in the West, the rest of the world will have to go on a diet of one bowl of rice a day, well, or go to bread and water, because in the whole world they do not produce so much food.

          Some kind of stream of thoughts. First, learn what the "third world" is. Secondly, China is a civilized country with a culture of a couple of thousand years, if not more, it is Europe and the United States, unwashed barbarians who roam everywhere to rob. Thirdly, it is not China that eats little, but the United States is eating three throats with the EU and will not calm down in any way, in China already the salary is higher than ours, they are actively settling from poor villages in comfortable cities (for them an anthill is the norm), giving people work ... And we are trying to shove everyone in the ass of the world, as with a Far Eastern hectare, where there is no infrastructure, no amenities, and even the standard of living is so-so and the climate is shit.

          About a hectare of the Far East is true ....... Not a single Muscovite-like a citizen, a deputy-did not take a free piece of land ....... But in the Crimea, a one-ship in Dzhankoy lives = all the convenient land Muscovites bought. ...... and they sell to the Crimeans ......... Brother of the sea, - I answer, - in Krasnoyarsk MOSKOVITS bought the entire green zone ... Phone ..... Let the journalists call, and the seller in Moscow .....
  4. Destiny
    Destiny 27 February 2021 14: 02
    +8
    But why are we still selling critical raw materials to the United States, who call us their main enemies?

    Here with the Chinese we have similar questions about such "cooperation" with "partners."
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  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 27 February 2021 14: 12
    -2
    Apparently, the bulk is not only about Russia. For those in the tank, China has already tightened the nuts for the supply of rare earths. As a result, they began to develop less promising deposits in the world, as a result - production in the West did not stop nifiga, but China lost money and leverage.
    so hello to all bulky. The head is needed not only to eat in it.
    PiSi, and as you have already noticed
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Well, if this is for the production of such a city as the F-35, then it can be sold, it will pass for subversive activities
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 27 February 2021 14: 20
      -4
      Quote: Cowbra
      Bulk is not only about Russia


      Quote: Cowbra
      hello to all bulky


      Are you worried about Navalny? Do you want to talk about it? smile
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 February 2021 15: 18
        +2
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Are you worried about Navalny? Do you want to talk about it?

        You know about him and there should be no question. But when I wrote an article about the "Fisherman's Day", I received the answer that this Day is of interest only to 16% of the participants, but the "rare earth"
        I see Chinese for the second time in a week. Maybe I'm not the one, but I'm sorry.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 27 February 2021 15: 20
          -5
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Are you worried about Navalny? Do you want to talk about it?

          You know about him and there should be no talk


          It is at least strange to mention him in the topic of selling Chinese rare earth elements, but there are also concerned smile
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 27 February 2021 16: 46
            +2
            It's not for you, chocolate, to reproach me for this, because you yourself never talk about the topic. And now - I got in only to speak about the personality of the commentator. And without any reason.
            I have reason to say what I said - this is a classic mantra to pile up - to scream "they are selling folk raw materials, bastards"! And I explained further why this is nonsense - i.e. wrote on the topic. And here you are - again dung the branch with the transition to personalities.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 27 February 2021 18: 06
              -4
              Quote: Cowbra
              chocolatey


              Get away with your affection, I'm not on these matters.

              Quote: Cowbra
              And now - I got in only to speak about the personality of the commentator.


              I pointed out a cool feature of your personality - constantly thinking about Navalny. I wonder what caused it.
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 27 February 2021 14: 42
      +3
      Quote: Cowbra
      but China lost money and leverage.

      Taking into account the "warm" relations between these countries, the states are preparing to eliminate the risks for themselves in case of their further "warming" - head to head, but the states are unlikely to change their position on China ...
      US President Joe Biden signed an executive order on Wednesday aimed at securing the supply of critical products to the public and the economy ... "There will be a 100-day survey in four industries. These are semiconductors, key materials, including rare earths [metals] used in aircraft construction. These are pharmaceuticals and advanced batteries "https://tass.ru/ekonomika/10776235
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 27 February 2021 15: 09
        +4
        Spit. Rare earth metals, semiconductors. Fuck that's all! Have you ever heard who exactly wrote the letters to Trump at the beginning of the war with China? 5 of the largest retail chains - and explicitly warned Trump that if he imposes sanctions on the import of knitwear from China, they will simply have nothing to trade. It is possible to live without semiconductors, and even easier - to build one plant with shock - it will meet the needs for semiconductors. But factories for sewing trousers for 250 million people cannot be built in a year. Add to this that more than half of the US agricultural products - the same soybeans with corn - are bought by China, if it clicks, then half of the country of unemployed farmers with bare meripopins (there are no pants) - They will cover the can with a lid, squeeze a semiconductor - and bury it in very rare earth ...
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 27 February 2021 16: 04
          +1
          But factories for sewing trousers for 250 million people cannot be built in a year.
          There are already such factories in Indonesia, Bangladesh, India. They will work an extra couple of hours / shift and everything will be as usual.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 27 February 2021 16: 22
            +3
            In theory. But in fact, production must be postponed. If Nike has a factory in China, but not in India, it doesn't care much that there is a factory that spanks a local brand, which in theory could then replace the Chinese one. Pants are needed today, and not in 2 years, when it will be possible to train seamstresses and other storekeepers - and also to debug the logistics.
            The transfer of production from China has already begun, but this is a very long process. And again - this does not remove another problem - the Chinese market. If the Chinese stop buying soybeans, that's all, 50% of the agricultural sector at once, and rather more - without work. Everything, this is immediately a war in the United States - civil
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 27 February 2021 18: 21
              0
              Quote: Cowbra
              If the Chinese stop buying soybeans, that's all, 50% of the agricultural sector at once, and rather more - without work.


              When it happened under Trump, they were simply given subsidies. Not many people work in the US agricultural sector.

              Quote: Cowbra
              Everything, this is immediately a war in the United States - civil


              What now? The previous civil war and kapets America were set for November last year.
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 27 February 2021 18: 27
                +1
                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                they were simply given subsidies.

                Well, yes, it's simple - they gave subsidies - and the problem disappeared! Or not? Subsidies will help you live for 1 year. Then the next one will begin - and again there is nowhere to sell soybeans with corn. Well, nothing, we will give more subsidies. And further. Why is there, you can endlessly print pieces of paper, nothing will happen?
                This also includes the problem with the fact that the trade balance is already negative, Trump gave as a victory - an increase in the supply of soybeans by 20, it seems, percent - you do not think that he is better aware of the value of trade in soybeans with China, if he rang about it at all corners how about winning?
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 27 February 2021 18: 49
                  -3
                  Quote: Cowbra
                  Well, yes, it's simple - they gave subsidies - and the problem disappeared!


                  Exactly.

                  Quote: Cowbra
                  Subsidies will help you live for 1 year.


                  Next year they will give the next one, find a new buyer, or agree with the previous one. Lots of possibilities.

                  Quote: Cowbra
                  Trump gave as a victory - an increase in soybean supply by 20, it seems, percent - you don't think he is better aware of the value of the soybean trade with China


                  At first, he drove this trade into the ground and had to give out subsidies, so he hardly realized anything there. Chances are he's just dumb.

                  Quote: Cowbra
                  if it rang about it at all corners as a victory?


                  Trump was constantly ringing about his victories. He even won the elections, but for some reason the US president was replaced. But, as they say, "a goof is not a mammoth."
                  1. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 27 February 2021 23: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    Quote: Cowbra
                    Well, yes, it's simple - they gave subsidies - and the problem disappeared!


                    Exactly.

                    Quote: Cowbra
                    Subsidies will help you live for 1 year.


                    Next year they will give the next one, find a new buyer, or agree with the previous one. Lots of possibilities ..
                    1) About subsidies - then why bother with industry and agriculture - as an example of blacks in the us - for several generations of blacks in the usa (not all blacks) have been living on unemployment benefits (communism ??? in the usa ...)
                    2) About "buyers of soybeans" - to find a buyer for the product SOYBEAN - it's simple ... in Africa, even all the soybeans grown in the USA will be eaten ... only there is nothing to pay with (the bowels of Africa have already been divided and plundered by the USA themselves). The only hope for US farmers is UKRAINE, so Ukraine will gladly "buy" at least the entire soybean crop in the US for 10 years in advance (only first they will pay off the "Pennsylvania coal" and start buying soybeans from the US for the next loan from the IMF).
                    1. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 28 February 2021 00: 59
                      -1
                      Quote: cat Rusich
                      "buyers of soybeans" - to find a buyer for the product Soybeans - just ... in Africa, at least all the soybeans grown in the USA will be eaten ... only there is nothing to pay


                      Are you sure you understand the meaning of the word "customer"?

                      Quote: cat Rusich
                      The one hope for us farmers is UKRAINE,


                      Someone is concerned about Navalny, someone - UKRAINE smile
                      1. cat Rusich
                        cat Rusich 28 February 2021 01: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Eye of the Crying


                        Are you sure you understand the meaning of the word "customer"? smile
                        Then explain the meaning of such a scheme ...
                        The "buyer" takes credit from the seller to buy the item from the seller. hi
                      2. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 28 February 2021 01: 12
                        -1
                        The meaning of the scheme is exactly the same as in the case when the buyer takes a loan from not the seller.
                      3. cat Rusich
                        cat Rusich 28 February 2021 01: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: Eye of the Crying
                        The meaning of the scheme is exactly the same as in the case when the buyer takes a loan from not the seller.
                        When a "buyer" takes a loan from a "bank" - this is the usual scheme ...
                        I am talking about the scheme - the "buyer" takes a loan from the "seller of the goods" - as an example of interstate trade, when the "state-buyer" takes a loan from the "state-seller" to buy goods produced by the "state-seller". hi
                      4. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 28 February 2021 01: 23
                        -1
                        No difference.
  • Avior
    Avior 27 February 2021 14: 17
    -1
    Rare earth metals are bought from China because it sells them cheap
    But they are on the market not only from China.
    Even if China prohibits the supply of nothing to the United States, nothing will happen, the price in the United States will rise slightly and Chinese supplies will be replaced by supplies from other countries. Sales markets will simply be redistributed
    Not to mention the fact that the States themselves have large reserves of rare earth metals, and more recently it was the States that were their main supplier to the market.
    1. for
      for 27 February 2021 14: 33
      +9
      Quote: Avior
      Not to mention the fact that the States themselves have large reserves of rare earth metals, and more recently it was the States that were their main supplier to the market.

      Do it right.
      "First we'll eat yours, then each his own."
  • farrux_2606
    farrux_2606 27 February 2021 15: 03
    +3
    nekotoriye rossiyane je prodayut svoyu stranu, novalniy i takiye kak eti, Putin - samiy normalniy prezident iz vsex prezidentov, mojet kradet u kazni no on stoit takix deneg, takiye kak novalniy i prisomINPINNIKI eto IZMENUT uvajayu PUTINA
    1. dSK
      dSK 27 February 2021 16: 21
      +1
      In Uzbekistan, as well as in Kazakhstan, there is no keyboard with a Russian font?
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 28 February 2021 01: 16
        -2
        Quote: dsk
        In Uzbekistan, as well as in Kazakhstan, there is no keyboard with a Russian font?

        And what's the problem with downloading the bukva zu program? Translates transliteration. Easier to endure the brains of the readers.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 February 2021 15: 25
    +3
    "Selling Rare Earth Metals to Opponents": Chinese Readers' Reaction to Japan's F-35 Fighter Jets
    Or loot, or security. request Look to whom you sell, what it is used for. In general, this is a matter of state regulation. what
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 February 2021 18: 14
    +1
    Earlier in Japan, information was announced about the discovery of huge deposits of rare earth metals. We are talking about a field located in the Pacific Ocean near the island of Minamitori. It was found that the deposit is rich in yttrium, europium, terbium and dysprosium. However, Japan has not really started the development of this field yet. laughing They already shouted that they would extract gas from the seabed and that the Russian monopoly would come to an end ..

    The same is with metals - they are to hell, but there is no way to mine at a depth of 6 km .. In any case, it is definitely more expensive than shipping from China ..

    PS And somewhere else there is a project on the extraction of helium on the Moon .. laughing
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 February 2021 21: 54
      -2
      There, an underwater volcano itself washes these metals out of the bottom. We need to put in filters and magnets. But at depth, due to pressure, it is technically very difficult.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 27 February 2021 23: 55
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        There, an underwater volcano washes these metals out of the bottom by itself ..
        Oh, and the United States hastened to return about. Minamitori of Japan in 1968. recourse
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 27 February 2021 21: 52
    -1
    The Japanese, on the sly, slowly collected as many as 23 pieces of F-35 for their Air Force ...
    The Italians at their plant are going to produce 90 pieces of F-35. For myself and additionally for other NATO countries.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 February 2021 22: 01
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Japanese, on the sly, slowly collected as many as 23 pieces of F-35 for their Air Force ...
    The Italians at their plant are going to produce 90 pieces of F-35. For myself and additionally for other NATO countries.

    Well, we'll take a look at the "successes" laughing And when you want to share something with a smart look, please laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 February 2021 22: 44
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    There, an underwater volcano itself washes these metals out of the bottom. We need to put in filters and magnets. But at depth, due to pressure, it is technically very difficult.

    Well done Japanese: methane hydrates have already been mined from the depths of the sea, now they are digging out cobalt in incredible quantities. If only they did not overdo it: their place is restless - they will fail, fuck, underground. laughing Vaughn, Israel also found a "super field" of gas. And where? laughing
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 February 2021 02: 11
      0
      "Look, Israel also found a" super field "of gas. And where?" ////
      ----
      It (Leviathan 3.5 trillion m3) has not gone anywhere.
      But for Israel, gas is a small supplement to the economy.
      Therefore, they are in no hurry to develop it for export.
      And for our own thermal power plants it is more than enough.
      Most likely, the pipeline will be pulled into Egypt under water.
      Egypt has built a large LNG plant. But he is underutilized.
      Egypt's own offshore fields are small. Therefore, he
      Israeli gas will come in handy. And we need friendship with Egypt and a little extra
      money out of the water smile
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 28 February 2021 07: 25
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "Look, Israel also found a" super field "of gas. And where?" ////
    ----
    It (Leviathan 3.5 trillion m3) has not gone anywhere.
    But for Israel, gas is a small supplement to the economy.
    Therefore, they are in no hurry to develop it for export.
    And for our own thermal power plants it is more than enough.
    Most likely, the pipeline will be pulled into Egypt under water.
    Egypt has built a large LNG plant. But he is underutilized.
    Egypt's own offshore fields are small. Therefore, he
    Israeli gas will come in handy. And we need friendship with Egypt and a little extra
    money out of the water smile

    Does Hezbollah accidentally have divers? There will be. laughing
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 28 February 2021 18: 18
      0
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Does Hezbollah accidentally have divers?


      There is. Extremely dumb, judging by at least one operation.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 February 2021 18: 47
      +1
      "Does Hezbollah have any underwater swimmers by chance?" ///
      ----
      Accidentally - yes laughing And Hamas does.
      But Israel also "accidentally" bought 4 new submarines.
      With especially large torpedo tubes for the release of their underwater
      swimmers (except for torpedoes and cruise missiles).
  • Fat
    Fat 28 February 2021 18: 18
    +1
    Sorry ..... I just read the title. China possesses a large number of refractory materials and technology for exchanging goods.
    Is there a reason for joy? For envy?
  • standan
    standan 28 February 2021 20: 41
    0
    Quote: YOUR
    At the same time, within the framework of the same agreement, our country over the next years gave the United States another 14446 tons of low-enriched uranium.

    In order to comprehend the details of everything that was associated with HEU-LEU, you will have to tell a few purely technical details. No, no, everything is fine, there will be no formulas)

    There is a technical term - "dilution", that is, a decrease in the concentration of the element we need. What does it mean in the case of HEU, highly enriched uranium? The HEU in a nuclear warhead is metal. How, excuse me, to stuff uranium-238 into it so that the concentration of uranium-235 falls from 90% to 5%? Agree - not the most trivial task, and therefore the question arises: what angel Russia with such ease went to sign first the Agreement, and then the HEU-LEU Contract. The answer, as is customary in Mordor, is simple: "but we had it with us." Under terrible socialism, when we were born on the orders of the party and the government, and thought only in chorus and only on the orders of the Central Committee, strange people in nuclear cities invented a technology "in reserve" - ​​such are the "atomic mind games". In the post-Soviet era, these games quickly turned into patents, although the names of the inventors, out of habit, did not appear in the public domain.

    Initially, the dilution scheme looked like this. Kind people at the Mayak plant and at the Northern Chemical Combine (SKhK) took vigorous loaves into their own hands and literally ... planed them to get metal shavings. I don’t know what this "plane" looked like, but the desired result was. These shavings were converted at three of our four centrifugal plants (SKhK, the Ural Electrolysis Chemical Plant and the Electrochemical Plant) - that is, combined with fluorine. The centrifuges received not only "planed" weapon-grade uranium, but also the so-called diluent, which was produced at the Angarsk Electrolysis Chemical Plant. The centrifuges hummed, roughly speaking, "in the opposite direction", the fuel uranium obtained at the output went to St. Petersburg, to the "SPb Isotop", where it was loaded onto ships and sent to the States.

    But, if you think that this is the end of the technical part, you are in a hurry. What is this "thinner"? We rewind: we remember how uranium is enriched. The first centrifuge of the cascade receives 99.3% of uranium-238 and 0,07% of the uranium-235 we need. Some of the uranium-238 remained "in place", and the second centrifuge is already supplied - roughly - 99,2% of uranium-238 and 0,08% of uranium-235 - and so on. Each time there is more uranium-235 until we reach the required concentration. Now the question is - where does the uranium that remained in the very first centrifuge that was depleted go? Where does the uranium that remained in the depleted centrifuge # 2 go? You can't throw it into the trash bin - it's radioactive. Problem? Yes, and also what! This depleted uranium contains only 0,2-0,3% uranium-235. Such is the "tail" from enrichment. Atomic scientists were not smart - "tail" has become a common technical term. And these "tails" have been accumulated near each enrichment plant - the sea is bottled, the count goes to hundreds of thousands of tons around the world. If you believe Greenpeace, then in 1996 the number of "tailings" in some countries was as follows: France - 190 thousand tons, Russia - 500 thousand tons. USA - 740 thousand tons. Well, what to do with such wealth, one wonders? The United States, if you recall, loved to play with bombs and shells with this most depleted uranium, therefore, until 2005, they considered the "tails" to be quite a valuable raw material. The Europeans figured out how to replace fluorine with oxygen in the "tails" - it is more convenient to store them in this form. Since 2005, the United States has been repeating the maneuver - uranium fluoride is converted into oxide and stored. And why do they keep it - they themselves do not understand ... What is a "tail" if it is on the fingers? Yes, almost 100% uranium-238! Well, nobody needs it. It would seem, but there is also a terrible Mordor - cotton-wool-stupid and backward. Since there are already a lot of technical details, I’ll tell you in more detail at a convenient opportunity, but now it’s short: we need it, and only we. Because the second fast breeder reactor is operating only in the gas station country. And in this reactor, uranium-238 burns, gives heat and electricity. Therefore, we don’t give our "tails" to anyone, we don’t bury it anywhere, we don’t destroy it.

    Our "tails" lay for themselves and lay - until the signing of HEU-LEU. And here it was required. What for? Due to American Reactor Fuel Standard ASTM C996-96. This standard has strict requirements for the content of uranium isotopes, of which there is a microscopic amount (thousandths of a percent) in the ore: uranium-232, uranium-234 and uranium-236. They are really harmful, here the Americans never lie. Uranium-232 is outrageously radioactive, like its decay products, and this spoils the fuel pellets. Uranium-234 emits alpha particles - you can't find enough staff, I'm sorry. Uranium-236 sucks up the neutrons produced by the fission of uranium-235 and suppresses the chain reaction. Where does this "happiness" come from? Yes from highly enriched uranium! All of these isotopes are lighter than basic uranium-238 - have you noticed? This means that while the centrifuges enrich uranium-235 to 90%, the concentration of this trinity 232/234/236 is also growing. In the edren-loaf, the trinity does not bother anyone - the radioactivity there is already above their heads, and with a nuclear explosion, no attempts to slow down the chain reaction are simply triggered. But, if the concentration of uranium-235 decreases in the "tails", then the concentration of 232/234/236 in them is also lower than in natural uranium. There is only one conclusion - it is possible to dilute HEU only with "tails". Signed a Contract, which means "tails" - to the battle!

    I have a suspicion that you all know that the most terrible beast on the planet is the toad: it strangles so many people ... She also strangled our atomic lobbyists - they did not raise a hand to take and destroy our "tails". After all, there were a lot of them: from 1 ton of HEU fuel uranium is obtained as much as 30 tons. It was necessary to dilute 500 tons of HEU, therefore, it was necessary to chop up 14 tons of "tailings" - and this is at a minimum. Why "at a minimum"? Our atomic scientists, who played with their minds about the conversion of HEU into LEU, have experimentally found out that dilution requires a concentration of uranium-500 of 235%. And in our "tails" it is only 1,5%. Consequently, the "tail" must first be enriched up to this 0,3%, and only then it must be bodied with HEU. In the course of these calculations, the toad's weight increased significantly: it was necessary to cut the "tails" almost at the root ...

    I don't know what and how Albert Shishkin (the head of TENEX from 1988 to 1998) told the Americans. Maybe he danced a square dance or sang songs, hung on a pole - this is clearly the most important state secret. But the result exceeded expectations: the Americans were ready to give us their "tails", since they believed by 146% that we "finally do not have them." They would have given it - but for this it would have to change a dozen US laws, which prohibited any supply of uranium to Russia. Shishkin, dressed in a blouse, resentfully spread the accordion fur, and even a bear over his shoulder made a reproachful face: "Well, uh, but we thought you were serious people ...". I also don’t know what and how the Americans did with their European partners - they used jiu-jitsu, wrestling, or the Kamasutra at once. But in 1996, the French "Cogema", the French "Eurodiff" and the Anglo-Dutch-German URENCO signed a string of agreements with "Techsnabexport" to stop their "tails" - for 105 tons. The price of 000 kg of the "tail" was mind-boggling - 1 cents, while the average price of natural uranium at that time was $ 62 per kilo. Once again - $ 85 and $ 0,62. Apparently, on the part of the Americans, the Kamasutra was used, after all ...