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The wisdom of the people of Armenia must defeat Pashinyan's lust for power

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Once upon a time, our ancestors went to the battle "For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland." This motto was clear to anyone. Anyone, not just soldiers and officers of the Russian army. It is not for nothing that this motto was cast on the cross that was awarded to the militia - the Militia Cross. How deeply our ancestors understood their own soul. How clearly prioritized.


I remembered this motto not so much to remind about our ancestors, but to think about modernity. About what is happening in the souls of people today, what pushes us to act.

Have you ever thought about the fact that each of us, with a few exceptions, feels involved in everything that happens in the country and with the country? Everyone is proud of the exploits of fellow citizens - "we are like this" ... Everyone becomes a part of the head of state when he defends the honor of the country at some summit, each was Sergei Lavrov, who recently "cleared the brains" of our partners ...

Accordingly, any leader of the country must understand his responsibility to the people in this regard. If he is a real leader, and not foam brought up by circumstances. People feel themselves not only as pieces of victories, but also as pieces of defeats, pieces of failures and falls.

Look at the fans in the stadium, at their genuine happiness or despondency from whether their idols won or lost. Look into the eyes of the soldiers when they learn of the victory won by a neighboring unit ...

Armenia ... think, calm down


It is very difficult to give advice to angry people. Anger is a bad advisor in general, but in those cases when it appears in the hands weapon, also bloody. The political crisis in Armenia continues. Two days of confrontation. So far, there is a peaceful confrontation between Prime Minister Pashinyan and the General Staff of the Armenian Army.

True, from my point of view, Pashinyan is already crossing the "red lines", calling the opposition "a coup attempt." But the military, realizing that the use of weapons will inevitably lead to civil war, is limited to words. Society is hot. On Saturday, it will become known about the decision of the President regarding the dismissal of the Chief of the General Staff Onik Gasparyan.

General Gasparyan, Chief of the General Staff, announced on February 25 is the opinion of the army of the Republic of Armenia. It is enough to look at the signatures under this statement. Chief of the General Staff, all his deputies, heads of departments and corps! Accordingly, in the event of Gasparyan's dismissal, it is necessary to dismiss practically the entire command of the army, about 40 generals and senior officers!

In my opinion, Prime Minister Pashinyan should have resigned immediately after the wave of indignation over the defeat in the war subsided. When society began to calm down. When society came to terms with the fact that Nagorno-Karabakh was returned to Azerbaijan, and Baku guaranteed a peaceful life for the Karabakh Armenians. But that did not happen.

Instead, the prime minister began to look for an explanation for the defeat in the lack of weapons, in the actions of individual commanders, in the tactics and strategy of Azerbaijan's actions. What for? I really want to be prime minister.

It is not clear to me why everyone was so outraged by the statements of the Armenian prime minister about the Iskander's malfunctions. Although it is worth citing Pashinyan's arguments verbatim in his correspondence reply to President Serzh Sargsyan on the statement about the possibility of using Iskander:

“I think he should have answers to many questions and not ask questions, the answers to which he knows. Or maybe he will answer why the fired Iskander missiles didn’t explode or only exploded by 10%. ”

"I don't know ... Maybe a weapon from the 80s."

Even people who are not experienced in military affairs, after such statements, it becomes clear that the Armenian Prime Minister is a complete ignoramus in matters of armament. And it looks a little ... silly. Why couldn't you ask the military? The Armenian army is quite well prepared and trained, and the Armenian officers are well educated.

But back to the incomprehensible for me. Was the "faulty Iskander" the first "disgusting weaponry from bastard Russia"? Why did everyone forget the statement by Prime Minister Pashinyan of November 17 last year about the ineffectiveness of Russian air defense systems? Or a delusional statement about non-operational Russian electronic warfare systems made in December last year?

Today, as never before, the Armenian people must understand that the current Prime Minister is not the people of Armenia. Not part of the Armenian people. He is on his own. And what he creates and says is done not in the name of fulfilling the desire of the people, but in spite of this desire.

The Armenian people are those who, betrayed by their own government and prime minister, joined the militia in Karabakh, those who today help the affected people return a peaceful, calm life. Those very ordinary people who share the latter with their neighbors, not because they regret it, but because they want to see their happy faces.

You can't earn authority on lies


"Iskander" from the 80s of the last century "actually appeared in Armenia in 2016. Armenia became the second country in the world where they were adopted. Moreover, the Iskander complexes themselves appeared in the Russian army only in 2006. This means that the Armenians received the complexes released at about the same time. So Pashinyan's lies are simply striking in their cynicism.

Not without reason even the Armenian Defense Ministry refused to comment on this statement. The military could not stoop to this. Here is what Gevorg Altunyan, head of the information and public relations department of the Armenian Defense Ministry, said:

"Employees of the Department of Information and Public Relations cannot interpret the statements of the Prime Minister."

But the Russian Defense Ministry posted its comment on February 26 from Major General Igor Konashenkov:

"Armenia did not use its Iskander during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, all the missile ammunition was in the warehouses of the country's armed forces."

"... with bewilderment and surprise I got acquainted with Pashinyan's statement that the Iskander missiles used in Nagorno-Karabakh by the Armenian armed forces" did not explode or only exploded by 10%. "

“According to the objective and reliable information we have, confirmed, among other things, by the objective control system, none of the missile systems of this type were used during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. All missile ammunition is in the warehouses of the armed forces of the Republic of Armenia. "

Even a recent opponent, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, spoke at a press conference for foreign media on February 26 about Pashinyan's statement:

“We have not seen the launch of the Iskander missile. Therefore, when the statement was announced yesterday, we asked again, but no - we did not see it. This is just another blunder, of which there were already a lot in public. "

"I would not want to be ironic on this topic, there were enough comments among Russian officials, members of the Russian parliament and experts that the rocket had to try very hard to explode by 10%."

Instead of conclusions


It is clearly advantageous for the anti-Armenian forces to sway the situation in Yerevan today. Stable and prosperous Armenia was and will be for a long time a bone in the throat of those who have plans to create a “great caliphate”, “great Turan” and other similar state associations in their heads.

It is quite understandable for me why the position of, for example, Turkish President Erdogan has changed so dramatically. Most recently, he announced the need for the resignation of the Armenian government headed by Pashinyan, and today he opposes the change of power in Armenia.

To make a state dependent on other countries, to do something similar to Georgia, Ukraine, the Baltic states is the task set by the enemies of Armenia. Better yet, if a people with a millennium history, who has withstood many dangers, will generally lose his statehood, disappear from the face of the Earth, and will do it with his own hands.

I really hope for the centuries-old wisdom of the Armenians. To the love of Armenians for their country and their people. People were able to come to terms with the defeat in Nagorno-Karabakh. They were able to understand not only themselves, but also other people. Yes, not all yet, but we could. This means that they will be able to understand the perniciousness of the civil war for the country ...
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  1. Destiny
    Destiny 28 February 2021 15: 05
    +9
    I really hope for the centuries-old wisdom of the Armenians.

    Pashinyan to retire. All that can and can not be a magpie about fukal.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 28 February 2021 15: 09
      +9
      And I think that all this is an internal affair of Armenia, and we have our own problems.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 28 February 2021 15: 28
        +15
        There is a topical cartoon about the situation in Armenia
        1. grad2308
          grad2308 28 February 2021 15: 49
          +8
          Alas, the cartoon is the same everywhere in the post-Soviet space, not only in individual states .... One question ... is sewing production and equipment for it produced .... or is all China ..... like the answer ... everything is unfortunate ...
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 28 February 2021 16: 43
            +2
            Alexander touched upon an important topic.

            Is Pashinyan to blame for the defeat of Armenia in the confrontation with Azerbaijan? Certainly. Although not alone: ​​there are many reasons and culprits. But he, the Prime Minister and the Commander-in-Chief - the most important the culprit. And not only in this, but in everything that happens and not happens. And - by the amount of "achievements" - should was, as Alexander correctly writes, to calm the situation after the defeat and surrender power through early elections, having resigned. But he doesn't. Why? Alexander sees the reason in "I really want to be prime minister." But this, I suppose, is not so. I think that the American curators associated with Soros simply do not allow him. Even when he just became prime minister as a result of the "Armenian Maidan", I said that I thought the Armenians were much smarter (this is necessary: ​​repeat the Ukrainian Maidan in 2018, when its consequences are already clearly visible !!!), and Armenia is waiting for a repetition of the path of Ukraine and once a collapse under the leadership of the "Soros" and under the American supervision. The collapse approached sharply in early 2021.

            But this is not bad. The bad news is that (I am closely watching Armenia) there are no intelligent forces visible there: either they are hiding, or they are very weak. The current active opposition to Pashinyan is his former comrades-in-arms and the same "sorosets" ... It is sad and alarming.

            ONLY the way to save Armenia is to elect pro-Russian leaders and turn public consciousness towards close honest without cunning and a stone in the bosom of an alliance with Russia. But this is precisely what is not visible.
            1. Temples
              Temples 28 February 2021 17: 52
              -8
              I hope for the centuries-old wisdom of the Armenians.


              Armenians were wise when they entered the Russian Empire.

              Then the cunning Lenin approved the borders of the Republic of Armenia and at the same time threw the Armenians by giving Mount Ararat to his Turkish friend Ataturk, who then sent the Bolsheviks to hell.
              And then the hunchback drove our country to disintegration.
              The formation of an independent country Armenia is not Armenian wisdom, but the stupidity of the main hunchbacked communist.

              Armenian wisdom brought Pashinyan to power in Armenia.
              And this same wisdom sent Armenians to live in Russia.

              So understand who is really wise Armenians - the one who lives with the Russians again, or the one who is about the Armenian lands (yells.
              winked
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 28 February 2021 18: 45
                +7
                Then the cunning Lenin approved the borders of the Republic of Armenia and at the same time threw the Armenians by giving Mount Ararat to his Turkish friend Ataturk

                Dear, you would at least glance at history. Turkey, after the defeat in WWI, was divided into a number of states under external control, even Kurdistan was created there. And Armenia was enormous. But a decisive man was found - Mustafa Kemal (later he would become Ataturk), dispersed all these pseudo-states, pinched his clergymen, and since Armenia was then ruled like the current rulers, they, in a battle and Ataturk, prodiare all their territories, cut by the Entente along with the mountain Ararat. Lenin, after the Dashnaks were kicked out by Soviet troops from Yerevan, only fixed the borders of Armenia that had developed by that time. Do you really think that then we should have fought for the former Armenian territories, if the Armenians themselves lost them ineptly?
                1. Temples
                  Temples 28 February 2021 19: 00
                  -10%
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  Dear, you would at least glance at history.

                  What and you want.
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  Turkey after the defeat in WWI was divided into a number of states under external control, there even Kurdistan was created. And Armenia was enormous.

                  What kind of vocabulary rubbish? Open your eyes and ears, ventilate your brains.

                  Mount Ararat located on the territory of the Surmalinsky district, which was part of the Erivan province Russian Empire.

                  The borders of Soviet Armenia were approved by Vladimir Lenin in 1921.

                  Until October 1917, the mountain was on the territory of the Russian Empire.

                  Lenin approved the border with Turkey.

                  So see?

                  The rest is husk.

                  Only on the borders approved by the Bolsheviks is the sovereignty of the republics of the USSR held.

                  If you do not understand this, then there is no point in studying history.
                  You can, foaming at the mouth, along with the "civilized world" prove that Crimea is Ukraine.

                  Ararat is Turkey as well as Crimea is Ukraine. Both the first and the second were made by the Bolsheviks.
                  The Bolsheviks invented Kazakhstan. And only by a miracle Orenburg is now a Russian city.

                  Lenin signed a treaty with the Germans and agreed with the emergence of Ukraine on Russian lands.
                  Then the Ukrainian communist kukuriznik annexed the Crimea to the Leninist-German Ukraine by his decree.

                  Such a story is probably not in your suit. The party does not allow it. wassat
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 28 February 2021 19: 30
                    +3
                    Until October 1917, the mountain was on the territory of the Russian Empire.

                    And what happened after, you don't know?
                    On March 12, 1922, in Tiflis, a conference of representatives of the Central Executive Committee of the Azerbaijan SSR, the Central Executive Committee of the Armenian SSR and the Central Executive Committee of the Georgian SSR approved an agreement on the establishment of the Federal Union of Socialist Soviet Republics of Transcaucasia (FSSSRZ).

                    That is when the border of Armenia within the USSR was approved. And Mount Ararat was prodigious by the Dashnaks, Lenin has nothing to do with it.
                    The rest is husk.
        2. Ros 56
          Ros 56 28 February 2021 16: 02
          +4
          A chic cartoon, and not necessarily about Armenia, it is about all of us, when they approach business without a head.
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 28 February 2021 15: 30
        +4
        It's like that. But what's the matter, they constantly become ours. Ukraine decided to suubitsya-overlooked. The Armenians lost the war, the Russians did not fit in. In the Republic of Belarus, Russian protests have entered. Zadolbali!
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 28 February 2021 16: 05
          0
          Quote: carstorm 11
          It's like that. But what's the matter, they constantly become ours. Ukraine decided to suubitsya-overlooked. The Armenians lost the war, the Russians did not fit in. In the Republic of Belarus, Russian protests have entered. Zadolbali!

          Agree laughing
      3. Cron
        Cron 28 February 2021 15: 33
        0
        Quote: Krasnodar
        And I think that all this is an internal affair of Armenia, and we have our own problems.

        This is not you think, this nonsense has been instilled in you by various garbage dumps. They say you don't need to go anywhere, but you need to solve only your own problems. Almost all the leading countries are doing this, and we are shown strictly on their borders. Russia is not a country that can afford it. And all the former republics are zones of our vital interests. And none of them there - these are their internal affairs can not be. The Union has invested gigantic funds there for years. And before that RI. And this is all we have to take and just give it away? Is this what happened in Ukraine in 2013-2014, their internal affairs? Now they are actively destroying the economy, production, etc. So that Russia does not even think about restoring all this later. And this is done to weaken us as much as possible. There would be no "Crimea ours", the Black Sea Fleet has not been there for a long time.
        Huge funds have been invested in Belarus. That only the nuclear power plant is worth. All this needs to be left to chance or what? When our protesters shout "Long live Belarus", do they realize that if this opposition wins, they will cause great damage to Russia? And I will answer you, of course not, they have solid pink ponies in their heads.

        We will not do it, others will do it. And for a long time they have been doing it through various NGOs and foundations. Buying the elite and brainwashing fools
        1. pyagomail.ru
          pyagomail.ru 28 February 2021 15: 56
          +3
          Quote: Cron
          They say you don't need to go anywhere, but you need to solve only your own problems.

          Russia needs to decide their problems, but not only within their borders. Having returned Crimea, we solved our problem. Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova cannot be members of NATO, since their territorial problems have not been resolved - this is also Russia's merit. And so, to climb into each hole with a plug - you don't need much mind.
          1. Cron
            Cron 28 February 2021 16: 10
            -1
            Quote: pyagomail.ru
            Having returned Crimea, we solved our problem.

            Having returned Crimea, on the scale of what happened in Ukraine, we solved only one small problem.
            And so, to climb into each hole with a plug - you don't need much mind.

            You don’t need much mind - it’s playing about someone’s internal problems, doing nothing, when our Western partners are in full swing there. The same "internal" problems within the EU, they would quickly run to solve and climb, as you put it, into every hole with a plug. And they would have done the right thing.
            1. pyagomail.ru
              pyagomail.ru 28 February 2021 17: 00
              +7
              Quote: Cron
              You don't need a lot of mind - this is playing around about someone's internal problems, doing nothing when our western partners are in full swing there.

              Russia has two big pluses: 1. We are a self-sufficient country; 2. We have a strong army. But in order to act by "soft power", to arrange "color revolutions", to put "our people" at the head of the countries, it is necessary that the standard of living in our country be no lower than in old Europe, otherwise we have nothing to motivate (Ukraine was beckoned by the European association - "salaries and pensions, like in Europe, children will study at the best universities in Europe, go to Vienna on weekends to drink "savory cava" "- they bought it). Therefore, you need to develop your country, but, as mentioned above, solve your problems, but not only within your borders.
              1. Cron
                Cron 28 February 2021 17: 36
                -6
                Quote: pyagomail.ru
                But in order to act by "soft power", to arrange "color revolutions", to put "our people" at the head of the countries, it is necessary that the standard of living in our country be no lower than in old Europe, otherwise we have nothing to motivate (Ukraine was beckoned by the European association - "salaries and pensions, like in Europe, children will study in the best universities in Europe, go to Vienna on weekends to drink "savory cava" "- they bought it). Therefore, you need to develop your country, but, as mentioned above, solve your problems, but not only within your borders.

                This is a big misconception. The point is not a pretty picture, but that someone allowed the coup to be staged. All this nonsense can only work at the very beginning, with the pumping of protest movements and the use of color technologies, but the reality then quickly becomes sober. And here there is no one to help with the organization, and those who arranged it with all their might will jam all these moods in the bud
                1. pyagomail.ru
                  pyagomail.ru 28 February 2021 17: 45
                  +2
                  [quote = Cron]This is a big misconception. It's not a pretty picture, but the fact that someone allowed the coup to be staged.t. [/ quote]
                  The coup is motivated by: "We will sweep away the old corrupt government and live like in Europe" (unfortunately, not "like in Russia"). Therefore, it is necessary to develop Russia.
                  [quote = Cron]And here there is already no one to help with the organization [/quote]
                  I hope we are helping quietly and unnoticed - we don’t know everything, do we?
                  1. Cron
                    Cron 28 February 2021 17: 58
                    -3
                    Quote: pyagomail.ru
                    The coup is motivated by: "sweep away the old corrupt government and live like in Europe"

                    Yes, no matter what motivates him, people are the same everywhere and everyone wants even better than they have at the moment. They do not know what is worse than it is now, many, even after going through difficult times and gaining a lot, begin to take it for granted and they can easily be pushed into reckless actions. You can also motivate in France, but who will allow you to do this?
                    Therefore, it is necessary to develop Russia.

                    Of course, no one will argue with this.
                    I hope we are helping quietly and unnoticed - we don’t know everything, do we?

                    Something is definitely being done, but now they are completely jammed in lawlessness in Ukraine, without any courts and everyone is silent
          2. Kronos
            Kronos 28 February 2021 16: 23
            +4
            They can still deploy bases on their territory without being a NATO member.
          3. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 28 February 2021 16: 57
            +3
            Quote: pyagomail.ru
            Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova cannot be members of NATO, since their territorial problems have not been resolved

            In NATO's statutory documents, not a word about it ...
            territorial problems - this is also the merit of Russia.

            What is such a merit, the Russian Federation occupied their lands or what?
            1. pyagomail.ru
              pyagomail.ru 28 February 2021 18: 24
              -1
              Quote: Lara Croft
              What is such a merit, the Russian Federation occupied their lands or what?

              No, they took advantage of their recklessness, saved the population (Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, LDNR), made it impossible (at least very difficult) to join NATO.
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 28 February 2021 18: 43
                -2
                Quote: pyagomail.ru
                No, they took advantage of their recklessness, saved the population (Transnistria,

                As far as I remember, the conflict in Transnistria began under the still existing USSR ..., then they tried to extinguish the conflict even by the "vovans" of the Union ...
                At the moment, the peacekeeping mission of the Russian Federation in the PMR (one peacekeeping battalion from the Russian Federation, PMR and Moldova and military observers from Ukraine) may end with Moldova's withdrawal from the Agreement ...
                Since the signing of the Istanbul Agreements by the Russian Federation in 99, OGRV are now on the territory of Moldova (we did not recognize the PMR) illegally ...
                Abkhazia, South. Ossetia

                Militarily, their territories can hardly be overestimated ...
                LDNR
                everything is more complicated, their fate and the creation of Novorossia on their basis depends on the clumsy actions of Ukraine ... and the economic development of the LPNR (at the expense of the Russian Federation, of course) ...
                I think that large-scale hostilities will not start in Ukraine as long as at least one of the 15 nuclear reactors remains operating on the territory of Ukraine ...
                made it impossible (at least very difficult) to join NATO

                If NATO is impatient, they will accept it .... the main thing is that all countries vote unanimously (this is where difficulties may arise) .... and not because of the LPNR (for the sake of joining NATO, Ukraine can recognize them), questions may arise from Hungary, Romania, Poland, with regards to territorial disputes and the fate of the nat. minorities in Ukraine ....
                Germany may require the closure of nuclear power plants (at least two located in the West of Ukraine) ...
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 28 February 2021 16: 10
          +2
          1) Ukraine - what do we care about the destruction of the Ukrainian economy? laughing Our Crimea is security, and in humanitarian terms, saving the lives of at least thousands of people from the post-Maidan lawlessness, but the level of well-being of Ukrainians - sorry, but they are adults, they understand what they are doing and what they are doing.
          2) Here in the Russian Federation itself, we must deal with NGOs, funds and other
          1. Cron
            Cron 28 February 2021 16: 24
            -3
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Ukraine - what do we care about the destruction of the Ukrainian economy?

            Are you serious?
            Let's say America would collapse instead of the USSR. And the communists would continue to begin to destroy the economies of the newly formed states. Isn't this a further weakening of the United States? Considering that ties cannot be broken just like that and they would inevitably influence each other. These would be just one more nails in the coffin of a weakening state. To whom it would be harder and harder to recover again.
            Our Crimea is security

            And anti-Russian Ukraine - what is it then?
            sorry, but they are adults, they understand what they are doing and what they are doing.

            You overestimate them. The authorities, yes, they understand, but they only care about their own welfare.
            2) Here in the Russian Federation itself, we must deal with NGOs, funds and other

            We must do both. It doesn't take much effort. At the very least, this is not comparable to the possible damage.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 28 February 2021 16: 45
              0
              And anti-Russian Ukraine - what is it then?

              Anti-Russian Baltics, Georgia - the same thing. We will become attractive to all these countries only with a successful economy and a high standard of living. Then it will already be possible to talk about zones and spheres of influence. For now peoples these countries, we can only offer the absence of gay pride parades.))
              You overestimate them. The authorities, yes, they understand, but they only care about their own welfare.

              Not at all - they have role models in Western Europe, but how this is achieved is equally incomprehensible for all people who do not have an economic education, and a high quality one.
              1. Cron
                Cron 28 February 2021 17: 23
                -4
                Anti-Russian Baltics, Georgia - the same thing.

                Are you comparing Ukraine with the Baltic states and Georgia? Seriously?
                Then it will already be possible to talk about zones and spheres of influence.

                I tell you, you should watch the various garbage dumps less. Spheres of influence should be talked about when we need to. We, I stress. And the fact that they told you there that we must first become attractive, bullshit. How can you become attractive if only one scorched earth is left around you? Almost all wars have always been fought over sales markets and resources. Are you renting them out just in the hope of a mythical attraction in the future? Competitors have already taken over the Ukrainian market, offering pitiful quotas in return.
                We will become attractive to all these countries only with a successful economy and a high standard of living.

                The attraction is to show a beautiful picture, to bring the herd to the square and to ravage these countries? You are again trapped in the beliefs imposed on you.
                So far, we can only offer the peoples of these countries the absence of gay pride parades.))

                For example, in cases with Ukraine, Russia offered orders to Ukrainian enterprises for $ 50 billion. And these are jobs, salaries, taxes, etc. Your own market and the EAEU market. And this is again jobs, salaries, taxes, etc. A loan of 15 billion without additional conditions. And many more goodies related to gas, transit, Black Sea Fleet, etc.
                And what did Europe offer besides the presence of gay pride parades? That's what? What if you specifically take these documents about the association and read? Destruction of production, higher tariffs, visa-free a la suction of labor resources? That's what? For which it would be worth jumping.
                Don't give a damn about this pretty picture, you need specifics. If some one-celled one there, having looked at different bloggers about the beautiful life in Europe, has inspired something there, it's his problems. What does this have to do with his country? It’s not about offering a better life; it’s about the intelligence of the individual.
                Sits, probably, in front of the monitor, life is getting worse from this movement to full Europe, but he sees that the conditional Germans are getting even better and thinks that he made the right choice. Not grasping that he now pays for this beautiful life.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 28 February 2021 17: 53
                  0
                  1) How do I compare? In terms of importance for the Russian Federation - no. By the proximity that previously existed between the peoples, Georgia is comparable.
                  2) laughing I don't look at the garbage - that's just the point. With all due respect to the people of Ukraine, this is a third world country, the economy of which served the Russian Federation by a third (minimum), then its own domestic market, and the rest, such as wheat, was exported to the rest of the world (and all sorts of things to the countries of the former USSR, such as food products). This is about the "Market of Ukraine".
                  How can you become attractive if there are cheto around? laughing
                  Change tax legislation in terms of taxation of employers, ensure business safety, both legally and by opening special units of the IC (for example) - to produce in the current Russian Federation is already cheaper than in China, to make Off-shores for foreign entrepreneurs, subject to mandatory employment of at least 80% of Russians in production, etc.
                  In terms of the quality of life - to overestimate the requirements for admission to teaching professions, to increase salaries for teachers, to create subdivisions under the UK to counter bribery in universities, to switch to the Soviet school curriculum.
                  Medicine - the certification of doctors should take place according to Western programs and abroad (even remotely, but randomly in the developed countries of the West).
                  I can continue, but it takes a long time laughing
                  3) Attractive in terms of income and quality of life of the population. Then we will be taken seriously.
                  4) Once again - the beautiful life of the Germans is paid for by German legislation and its strict observance. Not Ukrainian at all at the monitor laughing
                  1. Cron
                    Cron 28 February 2021 18: 24
                    -1
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    1) How do I compare? In terms of importance for the Russian Federation - no. By the proximity that previously existed between the peoples, Georgia is comparable.

                    The fact that as an anti-Russia is a much bigger problem than some kind of Georgia.
                    With all due respect to the people of Ukraine, this is a third world country

                    Yes, even the tenth. Our trade turnover in 2013 with them was under $ 40 billion. With the same France, for example, a little more than 20. What does a third world country have to do with it?
                    How can you become attractive if there are cheto around? laughing

                    In my opinion, you yourself do not understand what you are writing about. I asked what exactly the EU proposed to Ukraine? In addition to gay parades and beautiful pictures.
                    Your suggestions are good in themselves, well, apart from idolatry to the West, but the question was different.
                    Attractive in terms of income and quality of life of the population. Then we will be taken seriously.

                    You write the same thing again.
                    4) Once again - the beautiful life of the Germans is paid for by German legislation and its strict observance. Not a Ukrainian behind the monitor laughing

                    You laugh too much and think too little. A beautiful life has many components, including sales markets for their products and the absence of competition from outside for them. According to the idea, the goods were supposed to get to our market through Ukraine, but we quickly turned up the tap
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 28 February 2021 19: 14
                      -1
                      1) That's the problem - I agree)).
                      2) We have nothing to provide France and we don’t have so much money to consume French goods at the proper level. Trade turnover - and who bought more from whom - are we from Ukraine or is it from us? laughing In my opinion, the answer is obvious hi
                      3) The West shows high incomes of the population, and such a duration and quality of life. What does idolatry mean? How many people travel from Russia to Germany for treatment? And from Germany to Russia? All in fact
                      4) Sales markets for German products are the whole world, including Russia.
                      Competition: Mercedes with BMW - Lexus and Infinity, Hugo Boss - Armani and Trusardi, etc.
                      Are there not enough German goods in Russia? Does the port of Novorossiysk belong to Ukraine? laughing
                      1. Cron
                        Cron 28 February 2021 19: 50
                        -1
                        We have nothing to provide France and there is not enough money to consume French goods at the proper level.

                        At what other appropriate level? You already give up this worship of yours.
                        There is always something to provide, but who will let you into this market to the detriment of their producers? They will tighten the conditional emission standards for cars and now the weaker one has to invest additionally in production, with limited finances, but in fact they simply leave the market. It's the same with us, it's not a problem to launch a better product, only this will kill its own manufacturer.
                        Trade turnover - and who bought more from whom - are we from Ukraine or is it from us? laughing In my opinion, the answer is obvious hi

                        Well, we sold them more. The balance was positive. Was it obvious that you needed to drain this market?
                        The West shows high incomes of the population, and such a duration and quality of life. What does idolatry mean? How many people travel from Russia to Germany for treatment? And from Germany to Russia? All in fact

                        You either do not understand, or you are playing the fool on purpose. I said what exactly did the West offer to Ukraine? In fact, to improve your life? No blah blah blah. I don't care how they live there and that everyone is going to them. This has nothing to do with what was prepared specifically for your country.
                        Sales markets for German products are the whole world, including Russia.
                        Competition: Mercedes with BMW - Lexus and Infinity, Hugo Boss - Armani and Trusardi, etc.
                        Are there not enough German goods in Russia? Does the port of Novorossiysk belong to Ukraine? laughing

                        Have you ever studied anything in your life? Or just crush your lyba endlessly? The sales market is the whole world ... It's one thing when you just trade, having the ability to set duties, restrict the import of certain goods, etc. And another thing is when you open the market, removing all restrictions and launch goods that are initially more competitive than you put in the difficult situation of your producers and, moreover, you deprive them of the opportunity to sell their products in the markets where their products are in demand.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 28 February 2021 20: 16
                        -2
                        1) What kind of worship? laughing The bulk of the population can afford French perfumes, clothes ... even dishes and household chemicals?
                        Lada was presented to Europe. Only our geniuses set the price, as for a similar Suzuki. And for this money, the Frenchman will buy a famous Japanese brand, and not a dark horse.
                        The problem is with us, not with them.
                        The success of the Soviet-era Niva in Australia was due to the correct price-quality ratio - Australian youth preferred the cheap all-round Niva to Japanese and American brands.
                        2) Can you link to the balance of trade with Ukraine?
                        It seems to me that everything was filled with Ukrainian food products, in addition, we bought aircraft engines and other things from them, which we subsequently began to produce ourselves.
                        3) West Ukraine - nothing laughing
                        However, Western life is more attractive for the average Ukrainian than Russian hi
                        4) I did not learn anything - I learned to read and write, already well lol
                        To crush a lyba is what the slang of convicts is? what
                        Are you talking about protectionism?
                        There is such a thing as a marketing segment.
                        Opel's marketing segment is the middle bar of the middle class. Competitor - Honda (say). And Lada. Lada is cheaper.
                        Nobody will buy a Lada in Japan instead of a similar Honda.
                        They will prefer to buy a used Honda and even Opel juice of a new Lada, even if it is in that price range.
                        Mercedes and Lexus in Russia - run duty free. The segment of people able to buy these cars will remain the same - 3-5% of the population. The local manufacturer cannot offer anything stupid in this class of car.
                      3. Cron
                        Cron 28 February 2021 21: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The bulk of the population can afford French perfumes, clothes ... even dishes and household chemicals?

                        I read a book, I see a fig. What does this have to do with it?
                        Only our geniuses set the price, as for a similar Suzuki.

                        I don't think it's about geniuses. It's about trivial duties.
                        Lada was presented to Europe.

                        As they were presented, they left almost immediately, new standards arrived there. And this is again a large investment in production. Competing with those who initially have a much larger resource is a difficult business.
                        2) Can you link to the balance of trade with Ukraine?

                        Is it hard for you to google yourself? For that year, from memory, I will say that the balance was somewhere plus 8 billion.
                        It seems to me that everything was filled with Ukrainian food products.

                        Machinery, equipment, metals and metal products. More than a half. Food products are slightly more than 10 percent.
                        Than to build a fortune-teller from himself it would be better studied more.
                        West Ukraine - nothing laughing

                        So what is the conversation about then? Amuse yourself with a beautiful and unrealizable picture?
                        However, Western life is more attractive for the average Ukrainian than Russian hi

                        The average Ukrainian is attracted by his wallet, refrigerator, utility bills, food prices, availability of medicine, etc. And not a mythical Western life. Well, this is if we are talking about the majority, not a bunch of degenerates. It's one thing to be attracted through the monitor, and it's another to feel someone's rash actions on yourself.
                        Are you talking about protectionism?

                        I'm talking about common sense
                        To crush a lyba is what the slang of convicts is? what

                        I have no idea
                        Mercedes and Lexus in Russia - run duty free. The segment of people able to buy these cars will remain the same - 3-5% of the population. The local manufacturer cannot offer anything stupid in this class of car.

                        Well, if the segment of people remains the same, and this segment is quite solvent, why then remove duties? To deprive yourself of income? Is there any logic at all?
                        Well, duties are set not only in order to milk someone. And in order to force manufacturers to open production within the country. Providing their citizens with jobs, receiving additional taxes, some technologies, forcing them to localize production more and more through various programs, thereby loading hundreds of more enterprises inside the country with work.
                        Do you think they are opening all this out of great desire in Russia?
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 28 February 2021 22: 19
                        -2
                        1) I explain - for the turnover you need to buy something and sell something. laughing
                        2) Not at all - I talked with people, I know
                        3) You are not aware of the new standards, perhaps you are right, but about hard to compete - it's always hard laughing
                        4) We are talking about the attractiveness of the country for foreigners
                        5) The war between the refrigerator and the TV is going on not only in / in Ukraine)).
                        6) You are talking about duties, how much in vain. They have no relation to the subject of the dispute. I know what protectionism is in the economy. However, no one bends our products with additional monetary levies. In addition to raw materials and weapons, it is for the most part not competitive in the market of developed countries.
                      5. Cron
                        Cron 28 February 2021 22: 59
                        -2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) I explain - for the turnover you need to buy something and sell something.

                        You yourself make up something, and then you yourself laugh. Is this your habit? Where did I claim the opposite in terms of turnover? I just wrote that the balance was positive.
                        Not at all - communicated with people, I know

                        Well, only you and your people know this, apparently.
                        You are not aware of the new standards, perhaps you are right,

                        Not possible, but it is. Because of this, Lada left the EU market, and was selling off the rest
                        We are talking about the attractiveness of the country for foreigners

                        And I'm talking about the association. In order to dump into Europe, you do not need to drive your country into a profit
                        You are talking about duties, how much in vain. They have no relation to the subject of the dispute. I know what protectionism is in the economy. However, no one bends down our products with additional monetary levies.

                        What are you? Even within the WTO, there are always disputes about protective duties. And everything that is bad is subsidized. You at least take your head out of one place from time to time, it will feel better.
                        In addition to raw materials and weapons, it is for the most part not competitive in the market of developed countries.

                        Here you need to disassemble in detail what and how. And it's not yours in the bulk. Many companies can argue with you. For consumer goods, probably yes. It is clear that there are completely different standards and investments too.
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 28 February 2021 23: 36
                        -2
                        1) This is me about the Russian Federation and France,
                        We have nothing to provide France and there is not enough money to consume French goods at the proper level.

                        At what other appropriate level? You already give up this worship of yours.
                        There is always something to provide, but who will let you into this market to the detriment of their producers?

                        2) Yes, only Lada distributors laughing
                        3) In order to go to Europe, you do not need to drive your country up the ass - I agree. An even bigger ass, did you mean
                        4)
                        What are you? Even within the WTO, there are always disputes about protective duties. And everything that is bad is subsidized. You at least take your head out of one place from time to time, it will feel better.
                        It's easy and good for me - I'm not rude to anyone, as you can see laughing
                        Once again, what kind of Russian products will any Germans make uncompetitive with duties? An example is it possible?
                        5)
                        Here you need to disassemble in detail what and how. And it's not yours in the bulk. Many companies can argue with you.

                        Just one example ..?
                      7. musketon64
                        musketon64 1 March 2021 19: 40
                        +1
                        Once again, what kind of Russian products will any Germans make uncompetitive with duties? An example is it possible?

                        The same as for Ukraine. Agricultural products (pork (probably Miratorg would be very glad of this opportunity), sunflower oil, grain (yes, although fodder, but for the production of fodder it is the most), etc., what Russia exports to other markets Metals, I think, would also find their buyer.

                        But the Germans do complex operations at home, while the Russians do it in Germany.

                        The percentage of such Russians is even less than that of BMW and Mercedes buyers.
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 March 2021 19: 51
                        0
                        1) Quotas for agricultural products are caused by internal problems of the EU - there is subsidized agricultural
                        2) After 2014 - of course, but we are still talking about tens of thousands
                      9. musketon64
                        musketon64 1 March 2021 20: 18
                        +1
                        1) Quotas for agricultural products are caused by internal problems of the EU - there is subsidized agricultural

                        Ukraine was allocated a quota "for .... and fuck off," within the framework of a political association. The rest they can supply as much as they can, but already through duties and sanitary barriers. Practically defensive. I will say more. I recently watched a video from a chat roulette with a Lithuanian living in the Netherlands, so he said that the EU practically killed the agricultural there, paying certain amounts of compensation to Lithuanian farmers so that they would stop planting crops and raising livestock. Everything is abandoned. Products they have in stores are mainly from Western Europe.
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 March 2021 20: 29
                        +2
                        This is not only in agriculture
                        The Greek textile industry was also quickly merged)).
    2. Olddetractor
      Olddetractor 1 March 2021 10: 59
      +1
      Not everything is so simple. Many "Russian" Germans from Germany treat teeth in Russia. There are fewer and fewer German products in the world, China rules
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 March 2021 11: 06
      +1
      Quote: Olddetractor
      Not everything is so simple. Many "Russian" Germans from Germany treat teeth in Russia. There are fewer and fewer German products in the world, China rules

      The teeth are understandable. But the Germans do complex operations at home, while the Russians do it in Germany.
      The Germans have their own segment of buyers. If on cheap cars they lost to the Japanese and Koreans, then on expensive cars they hold their positions.
      As well as for clothes - sports (Adidas, Puma, Beckinberg) and medium-expensive (Lagerfeld, Escada, Hugo Boss). Their positions in household appliances are pretty good too.
  • musketon64
    musketon64 28 February 2021 20: 12
    +2
    I asked what the EU specifically proposed to Ukraine? In addition to gay parades and beautiful pictures.

    "WITHOUT VISA". And this turned out to be enough for them to break ties with Russia and the "Rusian world" (as they deign to express themselves), ruin their own economy, and even blame us for all their troubles. am
    You all the time mention about looking at some kind of various garbage dumps (presumably informational), in fact, no different from the same Sumerians who constantly present Russians as "zombie victims of Kremlin propaganda." But here THEY understand everything. A-ha. At one time I looked on U-Tube videos posted by our bloggers about their communication with Ukrami in chat roulette. This is something with something !!! That's where the dump is! The most popular comments under the video: "And we considered these brothers ....?!" Or: "And these ur ... we lived in the same country ....!?" This is about the "Ukrainian behind the monitor". See for yourself as something at your leisure, maybe you will understand how everything is running there.

    A beautiful life has many components, including sales markets for their products and the absence of competition from outside for them. According to the idea, the goods were supposed to get to our market through Ukraine, but our tap was quickly turned on.

    This is what they tried to convey to the Ukrainians, but they were bred like suckers, and for some reason we (Russia) are to blame, according to your version. They did not save, did not enlighten the "brothers". No, dear Cron, now let yourself get out of this shit. There is absolutely no desire to get in there, so that they can be pulled out of there again.
    1. Cron
      Cron 28 February 2021 21: 56
      -2
      "WITHOUT VISA". And this turned out to be enough for them to break ties with Russia and the "Rusian world" (as they deign to express themselves), ruin their own economy, and even blame us for all their troubles. am

      Well, they said it loudly. Without a referendum, I can freely call them a bunch of degenerates.
      At one time I looked on U-Tube videos posted by our bloggers about their communication with Ukrami in chat roulette.

      I don't see that. There is one srach, for the sake of srach and incitement to hatred. Except for Alexander from the "Fourth Dimension". A very smart guy.
      No, dear Cron, now let yourself get out of this shit. There is absolutely no desire to get in there, so that they can be pulled out of there again.

      I didn’t suggest getting them out of there. The rescue of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves. I was just opposed to letting it go. It costs almost nothing to strangle this bacchanalia in the very bud, than to disentangle it all later.
    2. musketon64
      musketon64 1 March 2021 09: 54
      0
      I was just opposed to letting it go. It costs almost nothing to strangle this bacchanalia in the very bud, than to disentangle it all later.

      If Ukraine was part of the Russian Federation, then yes - this is how it should be done. But Ukraine is no longer Russia and not with Russia. And how do you imagine strangling this orgy there in the bud? Send troops, or what? This is the worst option. And you know that. Maybe you have other better suggestions on this score? Share with us. Now another Russophobic wave is rising in Kazakhstan. Essentially no different from the Ukrainian one. Just now, the main reference point for them is not so much the West, but rather the "Turkic world" led by Turkey. Cho to do that?

      Without a referendum, I can freely call them a bunch of degenerates.

      This handful makes up about 80% of the population of Ukraine, if not more. I judge this from the words of the same residents of Ukraine who come out with closed (retouched) faces to our bloggers in the aforementioned chat roulette. And those still sane Ukrainians who leave their comments under the video. Moreover, the former Russian territories - Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava, Kherson, Nikolaev and other regions - are most Russophobic. And it is no secret that it is the inhabitants of these regions that make up the backbone of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The so-called "zapadentsy" (ragulie) occupied the former Russians Kiev and Odessa, or left to work in Europe and Russia. As they say: the war in Donbas is not their war, but they support it.
  • ironic
    ironic 28 February 2021 18: 09
    -1
    1) And the remaining problem is de jure.
  • grad2308
    grad2308 28 February 2021 16: 29
    +5
    The so-called "elite" is ours or not ours .... Let us recall the times of the Second World War, from young to old (children of peasants and workers, the party nomenklatura) - all stood up to defend the Fatherland !!! Those who emigrated after the revolution, in the bulk, also tried to provide assistance to their long-suffering homeland. So, one question ... who sells and sells ... for the notorious "thirty pieces of silver" .... Where is the protection of geopolitical interests ??? Not in words, but in action !!!!
  • Flooding
    Flooding 28 February 2021 16: 31
    0
    Quote: Cron
    This is not you think, this nonsense has been instilled in you by various garbage dumps. They say you don't need to go anywhere, but you need to solve only your own problems.

    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 February 2021 15: 52
    +4
    And she will become our problem if this Pashinyan continues to mumble like a shitty bell.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 28 February 2021 16: 14
      -1
      Quote: Ros 56
      And she will become our problem if this Pashinyan continues to mumble like a shitty bell.

      Where will it become our problem? Want to withdraw Russian troops from Armenia and NKR? laughing
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 28 February 2021 17: 02
        0
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Want to withdraw Russian troops from Armenia and NKR? laughing

        Well, the NKR has nothing to do with Armenia, which has been confirmed by recent events ... it itself is unnecessary for Armenia ...
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 28 February 2021 17: 07
          -1
          The NKR, along with the recognition of the genocide by Turkey, is the consensus of the Armenian national identity. As for the rest, the RA is not even the hearth of the Armenian people. No repatriation policy, etc.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 28 February 2021 17: 39
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            The NKR, along with the recognition of the genocide by Turkey, is the consensus of the Armenian national identity.

            Apparently, this self-awareness is weak, if they allowed the capture of Shushi ... maybe because Krabakh, when it won the Republic of Ingushetia (and not the Armenians) from the Persians ...
            As for the rest, the RA is not even the hearth of the Armenian people.

            The territory inherited by the Armenians for free ...
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 28 February 2021 18: 02
              -1
              1) They were outplayed. They showed a massive attack on Lachina, which could cut off the NKR from Armenia, pushed in the direction of Stepanakert, which led to the dispersion of forces and a lack of them for the protection of Shushi. Consider also the constant pressure in the North and the impossibility of withdrawing troops from there to other directions.
              2) I agree hi
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 28 February 2021 18: 24
                -1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                1) They were outplayed. They showed a massive attack on Lachina, which could cut off the NKR from Armenia, pushed in the direction of Stepanakert, which led to the dispersion of forces and a lack of them for the protection of Shushi. Consider also the constant pressure in the North and the impossibility of withdrawing troops from there to other directions.

                If you look at the map of the combat actions of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, you will understand that the latter acted in a predictable and straightforward manner (everything was agreed in advance), did not climb into the mountains, beat on communications (disrupting communications and logistics) and seizing urbanized areas on the flat terrain of the NKR and the occupied regions of the surrounding his....
                1) Threat of disruption to the supply of NKR V and VT by marching units from Armenia;
                2) reducing the length of the border between Armenia and Iran (due to the de-occupation of the former districts of Azerbaijan), from where military and military equipment could be supplied;
                3) Dissection of the NKR itself, into several Armenian enclaves and creating a threat to the capital of the NKR;
                4) avoidance of guerrilla warfare in the mountainous regions of the NKR in the conditions of the coming winter.
                Azerbaijan achieved all military goals in this war, incl. with the help of Turkey and the Russian Federation ... all the regions of Azerbaijan previously occupied by the RA around the NKR and part of the NKR itself were liberated ...
                Further. On the day the nationalists came to power in the RA, the WB of Turkey appears in Nakhichevan ...
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 28 February 2021 19: 18
                  -1
                  I followed closely - the Azerbaijanis acted according to the win-win scheme. The advance to the south was predictable, but pressure remained in the North.
                  In general, I agree. And what could the Armenians oppose to this?
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 28 February 2021 19: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    In general, I agree. And what could the Armenians oppose to this?

                    Well, at least use tank and artillery ambushes, sectoral air defense zones, minefield systems, camouflage by smoke and false targets ... the use of electronic warfare and electronic warfare systems, counter-battery warfare ...
                    Even in peacetime, the entire territory of the NKR and 7 occupied territories should have been divided into defense sectors and prepared in military-engineering terms ...
                  2. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 28 February 2021 19: 59
                    +2
                    Here. good Pre-war preparation. But she was not there. There was a cut of the defense budget and the telling of tales about the great national fighting spirit!
        2. ironic
          ironic 28 February 2021 18: 11
          -3
          But there was a war crime, but there was no genocide, hence the problem with self-awareness.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 28 February 2021 19: 19
            +2
            Quote: ironic
            But there was a war crime, but there was no genocide, hence the problem with self-awareness.

            How was it not genocide? Armenians were massacred along ethnic lines.
            1. ironic
              ironic 28 February 2021 19: 26
              -2
              Not. They were sold on a military basis. If there were Papuans of New Guinea instead, they would have carved out the same way. And this is a war crime, but not genocide. By the way, there were a significant number of Kurds who had cut them, and not Turks at all.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 28 February 2021 19: 57
                +1
                They cut the citizens of their country on a tonic basis. Dot.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 28 February 2021 20: 26
                  -2
                  No, everything happened stepwise and was accompanied by uprisings and not every time the authorities were cut and in the end it turned into actions against the background of WWI. Comma. And the same actions subsequently took place against the Russian Transcaucasia according to a similar scenario, which the Armenians themselves write about in their historical view of events. Total, crimes - yes, of course. The military - yes, absolutely. Aimed only against unarmed Armenians who did not conduct any military operations? Not. It means not genocide.
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 28 February 2021 22: 22
                  +2
                  I apologize wildly, but the forced displacement of the population along ethnic lines, during which a significant part of it was killed in one way or another, is genocide.
                3. ironic
                  ironic 28 February 2021 22: 28
                  -3
                  If it moved and was destroyed being only Armenian and for the sake of extermination of only Armenians, then yes, but if it is because a war crime is being committed and they do the same with another nation, then no.
                4. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 28 February 2021 22: 41
                  +1
                  More specifically?
                5. ironic
                  ironic 28 February 2021 23: 35
                  -2
                  Specifically, in the 15th year the same did the same with the peoples of the Russian Transcaucasia, in spite of even their Muslim origin. The Kurds took part in the massacre of the Armenians and they did not have the goal of destroying the Armenians as an ethnos, it was just robbery, collection of debts and just clashes with resistance. Some of the cases of the annihilation of Armenians took place as a consequence of the Armenian uprisings and political strife, which indicates a war crime, not genocide. Genocide has the goal of destroying an ethnos for no reason, just for belonging.
                6. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 28 February 2021 23: 37
                  0
                  Ok, now I understand what you mean
                7. ironic
                  ironic 28 February 2021 23: 48
                  0
                  And they immediately received a minus, because they did not express immediate condemnation of my explanation. smile
  • EDWARD
    EDWARD 28 February 2021 16: 39
    +6


    what can you expect from him .. and his associates, who brought him to power. Armenia has long been proverbial. "a suitcase without a handle" and inconvenient to carry, and a pity to throw.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 28 February 2021 19: 56
    +1
    Thanks to such views, the state of Israel is still solving the Palestinian problem and will be solving it for another hundred years and not the fact that it will.
  • sergey32
    sergey32 28 February 2021 15: 25
    +4
    Let the Armenians figure it out themselves, say it themselves, do it themselves. Their nationalism, an unfounded sense of superiority over others (including Russians) is already nauseous. There is no reason to expect that they will get better until they normalize relations with their neighbors. There is still a logistical and political dead end.
  • 210ox
    210ox 28 February 2021 16: 35
    0
    Who will take it away. He ... Didn't fully work out the investment.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 28 February 2021 17: 05
      +1
      Armenia is under external control. There, the USA practically, the whole city was built under the name "US Embassy", with a staff of .... 2000 people! Plus a bunch of American-European "advisers" from various "official" and "off-budget funds" and "organizations". Armenia at this stage is not a treaty country on the part of its "ruling elite". Another thing is curious. I spoke here with my acquaintances Armenians (traders) - they all unanimously repeat about the "European choice", "let Russia not poke its nose at us", "we will figure it out ourselves", "we have many friends in the west and they help us in everything "," nothing terrible happened, our western friends will help us to solve everything by legislative means "," we do not need Russia. " request
      1. 210ox
        210ox 28 February 2021 17: 45
        +2
        Something I like from our homegrown. Krasnodar Armenians. Didn't hear. And count a million of them here, lives
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 28 February 2021 17: 50
          -3
          And you "try" them. How to "split", you will learn a lot of interesting things (just kidding) ... laughing
          1. 210ox
            210ox 28 February 2021 18: 13
            +2
            So I talked to them over the drunkenness. Heart-to-heart, so to speak. Everyone spits on the Armenian leadership.
            1. Snail N9
              Snail N9 28 February 2021 18: 19
              +1
              In St. Petersburg, it's different. Here "angry at Russia", probably - "European-oriented" ... laughing Although, it's not for nothing that they are called Caucasian Jews ... Fig knows what they have in mind, it looks like nothing but money ...
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 28 February 2021 22: 43
          +1
          It seems to be smaller. Is every fifth inhabitant of the region an Armenian?
          1. 210ox
            210ox 1 March 2021 08: 37
            0
            Consider it this way. Some of them really say that they are Greek. Those still, from the time of the Bosporus kingdom laughing But this cannot be trusted.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 1 March 2021 14: 57
              0
              A significant part of them have been living on the territory of the modern Krasnodar Territory since the 19th century, some seem to have settled even earlier, during the times of the Crimean Khanate, many have never been to Armenia and (or) have no relatives there. Natives of Soviet and post-Soviet Armenia 40% of them. According to official data, there are about 300 thousand of them. According to unofficial data of Armenian organizations, from 600000 to 700000. I agree, there are many, but still much less than a million. And so, in your region there is such a huge influx (especially to Krasnodar) of Russians from Central Russia, the Urals, Siberia, the North and the Far East that nothing threatens the absolute predominance of Russians.
              1. 210ox
                210ox 1 March 2021 15: 42
                +1
                And who says that something threatens the Russians in the region? By the way, the neighbors in the Stavropol Territory have the opposite. Russians are slowly being squeezed out. Especially in the Kavminvod area. As for Krasnodar, I don’t know why people are bringing them there? This is a hell of a hell. The region is full of places where you can live well, but they climb into this anthill.
  • Vend
    Vend 1 March 2021 11: 52
    0
    I remember Pashinyan vowed to leave at the first demand of the people laughing This is what happens when ignoramuses make their way to power.
  • Clear
    Clear 1 March 2021 21: 53
    +2
    The wisdom of the people of Armenia should defeat Pashinyan's lust for power

    That's right - it should, but it slips request
  • sergey32
    sergey32 28 February 2021 15: 13
    +5
    "...that Nagorno-Karabakh was returned to Azerbaijan ... " (quote from the author)
    I apologize that apart from Shushi they returned from Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan? As I understand it, Azerbaijan conquered the areas of field Karabakh that had never been part of Nagorny.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 28 February 2021 16: 11
      +1
      Hadrut and others
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 28 February 2021 17: 05
      0
      Quote: sergey32
      "...that Nagorno-Karabakh was returned to Azerbaijan ... " (quote from the author)
      I apologize that apart from Shushi they returned from Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan? As I understand it, Azerbaijan conquered the areas of field Karabakh that had never been part of Nagorny.

      He made a mistake....
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 1 March 2021 14: 59
      0
      On the other hand, Shusha appeared in late Soviet times, before the beginning of the sad events of the late 90s, the most non-Armenian settlement of the NKAO, where the majority were Azerbaijanis.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 28 February 2021 15: 16
    +4
    Strategically, for decades, the track is clear for Armenia: the continuation of emigration from the country. Since 1991, according to the most conservative estimates, 1,1 million people, or 32% of the population, have left Armenia. A third left. And another third will leave in the next 15-20 years.

    It is surprising that the Armenian diaspora, which with their enormous capital, does not want to raise their historical homeland.
    1. Clear
      Clear 1 March 2021 21: 57
      +3
      Quote: Deniska999
      It is surprising that the Armenian diaspora, which with their enormous capital, does not want to raise their historical homeland.

      Means satisfyingly integrated at the places of stay. It turns out there is such a meaning of life, where there is satisfying there and the homeland request
  • HAM
    HAM 28 February 2021 15: 19
    +3
    The military in the General Staff of Armenia turned out to be much smarter than Pashinyan and did not go to the escalation of the conflict, thereby saving many hotheads.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 28 February 2021 17: 09
      -2
      Quote: HAM
      The military in the General Staff of Armenia turned out to be much smarter than Pashinyan and did not go to the escalation of the conflict.

      After the nationalists came to power, there will be other military men in the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the RA AF ...
      Thus, many hotheads have been saved.

      The military-political leadership of the Republic of Armenia did nothing to prevent the seizure of a part of the NKR lands by Azerbaijan ...
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 28 February 2021 15: 23
    +3
    Sorosyonok dumped on his head! The best option for him is resignation. If he does not wish the people of Armenia harm, does not want the military to throw him out of his chair for his sins, then he must, having asked the people for forgiveness, leave his post. And I advise the Armenians to be smarter, letting in power the one who promotes it to them, the people, and the West, or the same America. One "Trojan horse" should be enough for Armenians for a long time not to repeat their mistakes, choosing a henchman from foreigners.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 28 February 2021 17: 19
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      And I advise the Armenians to be smarter, letting in power the one who promotes it to them, the people, and the West, or the same America.

      So it seems that the Armenian people voted for Pashinyan, and not the American, everyone was happy and happy, in between burning Russian flags and calling the Russians invaders .... for Armenians we are comparable to the Ottomans ...
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 28 February 2021 15: 28
    +2
    He is on his own. And what he creates and says is done not in the name of fulfilling the desire of the people, but in spite of this desire.

    Well, this is not only in Armenia ..
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 28 February 2021 15: 58
    +1
    Thirst for what kind of power can be. if he is a US puppet? What is a slave?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 28 February 2021 16: 25
    0
    The wisdom of the people of Armenia must defeat Pashinyan's lust for power

    On this, what must be said, will it be expressed ???
  • Professor
    Professor 28 February 2021 16: 34
    +4
    In my opinion, Prime Minister Pashinyan should have resigned immediately after the wave of indignation over the defeat in the war subsided.

    If the military does not agree with the political line of the government, then it is the military who must resign, and demand the dismissal of their superiors (government). Otherwise the junta.

    But back to the incomprehensible for me. Was the "faulty Iskander" the first "disgusting weaponry from bastard Russia"? Why did everyone forget the statement by Prime Minister Pashinyan of November 17 last year about the ineffectiveness of Russian air defense systems? Or a delusional statement about non-operational Russian electronic warfare systems made in December last year?

    It is foolish to argue with the fact that the air defense of Armenia was not effective. The whole world watched it.

    "Iskander" from the 80s of the last century "actually appeared in Armenia in 2016. Armenia became the second country in the world where they were adopted. Moreover, the Iskander complexes themselves appeared in the Russian army only in 2006. This means that the Armenians received the complexes released at about the same time. So Pashinyan's lies are simply striking in their cynicism.

    Did he talk about the fact that the weapon was produced in the 1980s? They were really developed in the 80s of the last century. The development of the Iskander OTRK was started in accordance with the decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR from 21.12.1988 No. 1452-294.

    But the Russian Defense Ministry posted its comment on February 26 from Major General Igor Konashenkov:

    Well, the reputation of this commentator is known to everyone. It would be better if he was silent.

    To make a state dependent on other countries, to do something similar to Georgia, Ukraine, the Baltic states is the task set by the enemies of Armenia.

    Enemies everywhere, damn it. Armenia is much more dependent on "another country" than Ukraine or Georgia. The Armenian border is protected by foreign border guards. Where else is there?

    Even a recent opponent, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, spoke at a press conference for foreign media on February 26 about Pashinyan's statement:

    This is the only statement worth listening to. Although it was the Azerbaijani side that previously reported about Iskander's mistakes.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 28 February 2021 16: 37
    0
    Armenia will be destroyed sooner or later. Pashinyan is just the beginning. The population is incapable of building a state, an unfavorable location. They will push Russia away and die out like mammoths.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 28 February 2021 16: 44
    -1
    Stable and prosperous Armenia was
    only as part of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR ...
    Armenia was the first of the Caucasian republics, at the head of its Dashnaks, to strive to leave the Union, so in the place of the author it would not count on
    centuries-old wisdom of Armenians

    The RA, both under the old regime and under the current one, has consistently pursued rapprochement with the West, and at the same time (like other republics of the former USSR) it was not afraid of losing its territory and deteriorating relations with the Russian Federation
    So far the RA has lost only part of the NKR, the last is a territorial loss of the RA or not, time will tell .... it is clear, only that the RA military have set themselves up, that after Pashinyan nationalists will be in power who want revenge for the NKR ... and will strive to do it with their hands RF .....
    So, it turns out that neither Pashinyan, who was put in power by the Empireists, nor those from the NKR who were previously in power, is not beneficial to the Russian Federation, and some (like the President of the Republic of Armenia) did not leave this power anywhere ...
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 28 February 2021 16: 48
    -1
    Let's not be like America. This is a plug in every barrel, although at any moment "on the back lawn" of the White House it can blaze. We must use the moment, grow ourselves. And then China alone will become the winner.
  • asua164
    asua164 28 February 2021 16: 50
    +1
    Pashinyan has already gone down in history ...
    Like "No count 10%"
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 February 2021 16: 54
    +2
    The worst thing in our time is cynicism and hypocrisy. It is these qualities that ruined a large state. Recently I watched a program whose name I did not remember. It all boiled down to whether urgent military service was needed in our country. And when they showed those who dodged the draft into the Army, I just felt sad. But many of them are engaged in patriotic education. This picture makes me uneasy.
  • apro
    apro 28 February 2021 16: 57
    +2
    Absolutely parallel ... what ... who and why ... the Armenians themselves chose their path ... so they are seven feet under the keel.
  • seacap
    seacap 28 February 2021 17: 10
    +2
    Something we have the "wisdom" of the people heaped up, destroying the state and surrendering to the enemy, 30 years on the territory of the once great power and the victorious people, some personalities are raging, depicting the New Noble ruling class, fooled by permissiveness, impunity and dough from their pockets and at the expense of the same "wise" people, which they despise.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 28 February 2021 17: 12
    +1
    And where was the wisdom of the Armenian people when this Soros rat was brought to power? "Wisdom of the People", EPRST! The "wisdom" of the peoples is enough only for rebellion or submission. Depending on what goal is set by the most cunning and eloquent representatives of the peoples and who can more convincingly promise mountains of gold to these "wise men".
  • mssp
    mssp 28 February 2021 18: 25
    +1
    No wisdom will save the Armenians.
    The forces are completely incomparable, "wisdom" cannot equalize them.
    And Russia will merge, will not help, for the simple reason that from Armenia, the dwarf bantustan, neither theoretically nor practically it is impossible to get even a small part of the benefits that the alliance with Azerbaijan and Turkey promises.
    Armenia has neither oil, nor any significant industrial potential, or any other potential.
    Why does Russia need it?
    Of course, it is not completely useless, but the same Turkey outweighs by orders of magnitude.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 28 February 2021 19: 46
    -2
    In short, Soros is to blame for everything, and the great poo wets everything in the toilet. It's purple to me who won who.
  • iouris
    iouris 28 February 2021 20: 28
    0
    Wisdom has emigrated.
    Pashinyan has neither thirst nor choice: he is an instrument (like a piano that stands in the garden).
  • kriten
    kriten 28 February 2021 20: 39
    +2
    Where do these "wise Armenians" live? Go to the USA, together with Soros, lead the country to happiness? In Armenia itself, you will not find the wise, the clever. And those few who remained are also dreaming of leaving.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 1 March 2021 01: 50
      -1
      And what prevents the Armenians from making a military platform for the United States out of their country? Invite American military bases to your location? Isn't it a solution to the problem? Guidance will be a good podkomka from the United States, and the people on the one hand will be under the protection of "the most democratic state", and on the other, let them feed as they want. winked
  • Radikal
    Radikal 28 February 2021 21: 01
    +1
    Everyone becomes a part of the head of state when he defends the honor of the country at some summit, each was Sergei Lavrov, who recently "cleared the brains" of our

    What-O-Ot !!! good lol wassat
  • APASUS
    APASUS 28 February 2021 21: 41
    +1
    The wisdom of the people of Armenia must defeat Pashinyan's lust for power

    I hope this is a mistake or just an inappropriate expression from the author
    How can wisdom defeat a person greedy for power, and even a traitor to his people. How much did Gobachev promise us?
  • Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 28 February 2021 23: 51
    +2
    Quote: kriten
    Where do these "wise Armenians" live? Go to the USA, together with Soros, lead the country to happiness? In Armenia itself, you will not find the wise, the clever. And those few who remained are also dreaming of leaving.

    Where do wise Armenians live? In Sochi. And in Moscow. And from there they call on the citizens of Russia to protect the interests of Armenia. Let the Russian guys die, but not themselves. That's all the "wisdom".
  • high
    high 1 March 2021 00: 31
    0
    Alas, the collapse of the Army and the economy in 30 years of independent Armenia, Pashanyan could not restore it in 2 years.
    Therefore, the people removed the old, corrupt leadership ...
    The paradox is that during the wars of Israel, the Israelis strove to Israel to defend the country ... it was not visible that the Armenians were striving to go home, to defend their country ...
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 1 March 2021 01: 38
    +2
    Imperceptibly something of the wisdom of the people. Neither in the attempts to conclude peace with Azerbaijan earlier, nor in the election of Pashinyan, etc.
    And the weapon .. Heh. So the "protege of the people" dismissed those military men who had studied in Russia.
  • Pardus22
    Pardus22 1 March 2021 03: 53
    +1
    The wisdom of the people of Armenia did not prevent their choice to lead the country. Now they have what they have.
  • Pardus22
    Pardus22 1 March 2021 04: 08
    +1
    I read somewhere that more Armenians live in Russia than in
    Armenia. If so, why did they not defend their homeland in Karabakh? The most they had was enough to organize riots in Russia in fights with Azerbaijanis! A SHAME! And our government, it is necessary to approach the selection of the diasporas living in Russia more strictly. Those noticed in the unrest in Russia, ruthlessly expel, without the right to return to Russia.
    1. Pardus22
      Pardus22 1 March 2021 04: 24
      0
      The reason?
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 1 March 2021 04: 20
    0
    ON THE PACK OF Pashinyan! western henchman!
  • Pardus22
    Pardus22 1 March 2021 04: 35
    0
    The ban on comments, is that a joke? If so, what is the point for inoffensive comments to deprive them of the possibility of expressing them, then why bother with your application !?
  • Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 1 March 2021 14: 45
    +1
    Make a state dependent on other countries, do something similar to Georgia, Ukraine, the Baltics

    You know Alexander, there is such a very old aphorism
    90% of the mind of foxes is due to the stupidity of chickens.

    You can argue endlessly about the fact that "bad enemies act meanly and bribe everyone around," or you can already start bribing "friends of enemies" and act on your own.
  • high
    high 2 March 2021 16: 36
    0
    Major General Konashenkov:
    “Armenia did not use its Iskander during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, all the missile ammunition was in the warehouses of the country's armed forces».
    However:
    During the war in Nagorno-Karabakh, the Artsakh Defense Army struck with a ballistic missile from the Iskander complex ...... the missile was shot down by the Azerbaijani army with the help of Israeli air defense, Barak-8.
    Earlier, the former Chief of the General Staff of the Armenian Armed Forces Movses Hakobyan confirmed that the Artsakh Defense Army used Iskander OTRK, .....

    https://news-r.ru/news/politics/502508/