The Kronstadt company will supply the Ministry of Defense with 7 sets of Orion attack drones

The Russian company "Kronstadt" will supply the Ministry of Defense with about 20 shock drones "Orion". This was stated by the general director of "Kronstadt" Sergei Bogatikov.

On Friday, the Minister of Defense visited the Moscow enterprise for the production of drones "Kronstadt", where he got acquainted with the progress of the implementation of the state defense order. During the visit, he asked a question about the number of percussion drones, which the enterprise can supply this year.

(...) 6-7 sets. Each kit includes three drones

- Bogatikov told the minister, adding that the company plans to launch a serial production of UAVs this year.

The minister demanded to increase the number of attack drones supplied to the Russian army.

Shoigu also got acquainted with other products of the company. The Minister was shown the Thunder high-speed strike UAV, the Helios-RLD radar patrol apparatus and the Inokhodets-RU reconnaissance drone.

Note that Orion is the only Russian attack drone for the supply of which a contract has been signed with the Ministry of Defense. The drone was created by the Kronstadt company within the framework of the Inokhodets ROC under a contract with the military department. The UAV is capable of staying in the air at maximum load for up to 24 hours. Flight altitude - 7,5 thousand meters. The drone has a maximum payload of 450 kg and is capable of carrying four missiles on board.

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[askort154]

With a start! The first "serious drummer" went into series - any path begins with the first step. Good luck!

[venik]

Quote: askort154

With a start! The first "serious drummer" went into series - any path begins with the first step. Good luck!

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Okay ( ), but little! (Sell me pills for greed. Yes more, more, more!!! )

[Snail N9]

Minister demanded to increase the number of attack drones supplied to the Russian army.

"One-Two! Well, increase in number!" "I demand!" Interestingly, and from whom he "demanded"? For those who produce? Or those who have to plan and pay for this production? How about paying for the expansion of production (if you need more)? Something, I did not find in the article about this ...

[Destiny]

shock drone "Orion", attack high-speed UAV "Thunder", radar surveillance apparatus "Helios-RLD", reconnaissance and strike drone "Inokhodets-RU"
it makes me happy that work is underway, just need

to increase the number of attack drones supplied to the Russian army.

, otherwise 20 Orion attack drones a year is not so much ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Destiny

, otherwise 20 Orion attack drones a year is not so much ...

Today YES, and tomorrow there will be more.

[venik]

Quote: Destiny

and then 20 Orion attack drones a year is not so much ...

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Down and Out trouble started!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Destiny

20 Orion attack drones a year is not that much ...

This is just the beginning.

the company plans to launch a plant for serial production of UAVs this year.

[9PA]

And the range of weapons to expand due to high-precision missiles

[alexmach]

, otherwise 20 Orion attack drones a year is not so much ...

Well, in the article they said the same

adding that the company plans to launch a plant for serial production of UAVs this year.

So there will be more of them

[Ovsigovets]

Well, a firm contract has appeared - you can increase production capacity

[Herman 4223]

Before that, they said that there will be four sets. But this is clearly better. And also the first set of Alytus, also this year.

[mark1]

7 sets will not be enough, hopefully this year alone. So, for medium-intensity combat operations, 50-100 sets are needed per year, with the possibility of reaching a peak - 300 sets. Those. in peacetime, the pace is 20-30 sets

[venik]

Quote: mark1

7 sets will not be enough, hopefully this year alone. So, for medium-intensity combat operations, 50-100 sets are needed per year, with the possibility of reaching a peak - 300 sets. Those. in peacetime, the pace is 20-30 sets

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Doubt the Orions will be built lots of: given the absolutely staggering pace of development of robotics (in general) and unmanned aircraft (in particular), I would not be surprised if, in a couple of years, the same "Kronstadt" (not to mention other firms), "will reveal to the astonished audience"something like that, in comparison, even" Orion "will seem like a" child's toy ".......

[mark1]

The basis will not change - the wings, the engine, the fuselage .. (Liquid metal is still oh, how not soon). And everything else is modified like any other technique.

[venik]

Quote: mark1

The basis will not change - the wings, the engine, the fuselage .. (Liquid metal is still oh, how not soon). And everything else is modified like any other technique.

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All this and so and not so (at the same time).
15 years ago, drums drones were exotic, available mainly to the United States and Israel ... And today? This is already the norm, even for countries that are difficult to suspect of the highest level of technological development ...

[mark1]

And how does all this correlate with the modernization potential of technology? Even the "Bee" can be brought to a perfectly acceptable level.

[swan49]

Have tried it. We replaced the electronics, abandoned the reservation, but the state did not pass. Samara could not only improve the engine, but could not repeat the Soviet version. After that, the people crawled to the UZGA, some to Kronstadt, and some had already died. The same Dolzhenkov in his youth worked on Yakovlev "Bee".

[Rubi0]

So they have already churned out and are experiencing thunder and helius, against which Orion is really a fake from an airplane circle.

[tralflot1832]

The Minister of Defense demanded to increase the production of UAVs. And Stalin was inspired by the words from the telegram to the management of factories 1 and 18 of 23 .12, IL 41 planes are needed by the front like air, and today's production is a mockery of the party. We change words and everything is in the subject. They will build a plant, they will build UAVs, as if they are "baking pies"! To the evil of all spiteful critics!

[SSR]

Quote: tralflot1832

They will build a plant, they will build UAVs, as if they are "baking pies"!

The plant already exists, with experience, they will recruit personnel, master the production cycle, then the production capacity will become clear.
And all the comments about - this is not enough! This is not enough! From the crafty and stupid.

[tralflot1832]

I just drew a parallel. Any machine needs a turner, not a baker. They recruit, train, and the subcontractors must move.

[Pilot]

Anyone who even sharpens motorchecks, otherwise I am completely unaware and the article is empty.

[tralflot1832]

Unfortunately, I don’t collect them. There are few motor plants in Rybinsk. But it’s definitely not the country that smuggles them.

[donavi49]

Rotax. But there is an APD to cover it - but it will complete the state at the end of 21st and beginning of 22nd. However, a prototype flew with it. APD is a Chinese (well, Russian, without docks and license) variation of Rotax on the possibility of issuing Russian cooperation.

- Continuing to move upward in increasing the dimension of the UAV, let's move on to the MALE-class. How did the APD-115T engine turn out for the Orion UAV? What can you tell about it?
- Base APD-115T for UAV "Orion" is an imported analogue, modified by domestic turbocharging installations and an engine management system.

The first engine was made on the basis of a foreign aircraft internal combustion engine with a capacity of 100 hp. By itself, this is a good engine with a decent resource. But according to the terms of reference, it is not suitable for our tasks. First of all, because of the element base (sensors, actuators, connectors) used on the engine.

When we were just connected to work, at CIAM he stood at the stand with the turbine already installed, but did not give the required parameters. The engine control unit (ECU - engine control unit) made in the USA did not allow the engine to operate in turbocharging mode: the control system did not understand that there was an increased air consumption, and got up to self-locking. The adjustment tables were closed..

When the bench tests of the KO-2 variant began, problems with sensors, actuators, ignition coils, electrical wiring, including connectors began to appear.

The main problem was the transition to 27V power supply. The motor is originally designed for a nominal voltage of 12V, which, according to our regulatory framework, is unacceptable.

And so, after about 50 hours of engine operation in bench conditions, disadvantages begin to appear. Of the most critical - piston rings sink, the edge of the piston burns, and so on..

But I repeat, there is no emphasis on engines at all. Iran smuggles about 100 of them a year and produces its own UAVs on the Austrians. The export card of the company includes up to 400 private customers from more than 80 countries of the world. It is simply impossible to make such a motor sanctioned.

[D16]

Rotax. But there is an APD to cover - but it will complete the state at the end of 21st and beginning of 22nd.

That is, "here we play and here we wrapped the fish" (c)
You prefer to "wrap the fish" in that piece of the article where they write to Russians in white about the fact that all Orions are equipped with engines made in Rybinsk.

[mark1]

In general, factories are being built for a certain production capacity, and then they go to it.

Quote from S.S.R.

From the crafty and stupid.

Well, well ... you probably wear a beaver hat with a visor ...

[Destiny]

He wears a crown, over a hat, and there are plenty of such Dartanians.

[Konnick]

One Moscow firm of 50 people is looking for a design engineer, there are probably only managers, and they won the tender for the construction of the UAV. Now looking for someone to build it

I don't know what the other 50 people will do.

[Konnick]

And these are the requirements for a prodigy

Also the requirement to have a higher technical education ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: tralflot1832

It was inspired by And In Stalin the words from the telegram to the management of factories 1 and 18 of 23, IL 12 aircraft are needed by the front as air, and today's production is a mockery of the side.

Maybe it's enough to compare the incomparable. Then there was a completely different country and different people.

[Konnick]

Quote: donavi49

- The base of the APD-115T for the Orion UAV is an imported analogue, modified by domestic turbocharging units and an engine management system.

Domestic? Name the plant that produces these turbines. Judging by the picture, there is a Garret with a zero. It's just that these turbines of the American concern are installed on half of the car brands, they are very affordable. Even car services put such on the Niva.
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[D16]

Judging by the picture, there is a Garret with a zero.

APD-115T is shown on the right side of the picture. Where did you see the turbine there?

[Konnick]

And on the left what? On the right, without turbocharging, but it says domestic turbocharging. On the right, APD-110/120, on the left "Agat-B1", showed a turbine shyly covered with an arrow. (PD-1400)

[D16]

And on the left is another motor. ADF boxer.

[Konnick]

And on the right is an air-cooled boxer. We have a problem with such small-sized but powerful engines.

[D16]

And on the right is an air-cooled boxer.

Rotax 914, like the APD115, is an air-cooled boxer. So where did you see TC Garrett on it?

[Konnick]

Look at the arrow, I am not saying that this is Garrett, but it says "domestic turbocharging is applied"

[D16]

Your arrow points to a different engine. And I gave a link to the manufacturer of domestic TC. I can repeat:
https://www.kamturbo.ru/turbocharger

[Konnick]

The arrow points to a turbine, and by reference these are turbines for tractor and truck diesel engines. And this is completely different, the temperature of the exhaust gases of a highly accelerated gasoline engine is much higher and the materials for the manufacture and components are different.

[D16]

The arrow points to a turbine installed on a different engine. And you know that very well.

under the link these are turbines for tractor and truck diesel engines.

Do you know the fundamental technological differences between transport and aviation TCs?

[Konnick]

Do you know the fundamental technological differences between transport and aviation TCs?

He studied this at the institute. But at work, I only encountered a turbine on a D12, this is a civilian version of a B-2 tank with an increased resource, a little lightweight.

[D16]

And I am with the ship's TK-18N on the M-401. At the service.

[D16]

We have a problem with such small-sized but powerful engines.

It looks like no longer.

[zloybond]

the main question: how much is it a domestic unmanned aircraft? Or then vague conversations about engines, wheels, electronics will suddenly begin?

[donavi49]

There is nothing domestic in the global world.

From large units, the engine - but this is not a problem at all. Even Iran illegally buys them in commercial quantities. Plus, by the 22nd there will be its own unlicensed variation of the Austrian.

Optical station. The Argos2 set from South Africa arrives at NPK SPP, where an optical station with drives and a housing is assembled from it. In theory, this can be banned, but there is a domestic demonstrator, which is stupidly heavier, significantly (well, optics are worse). That is, by reducing the combat load, import substitution can be made.

The rest is generally variable. Well, they will ban the supply of microcircuits from Taiwan and Malaysia, you can roll over to others from fraternal China.

[zloybond]

that's what I'm talking about - it's stupid to call domestic twisted from everywhere.

[D16]

silly to call domestic twisted from everywhere.

Turks call Bayraktar Turkish and do not soar. Do you think you are wrong, and will be blown away after the imposition of sanctions? Hardly. It's just that some component manufacturers will lose a large client, while others will acquire .

[D16]

The main question is: how much is it a domestic unmanned aircraft?

Everybody does it. You can't make a promising product out of shitty cubes. They are made from good imported ones, but then, as the manufacturers of the components rush, their products are replaced by others, including domestic ones.

[Konnick]

Quote: Konnick

Quote: donavi49

- The base of the APD-115T for the Orion UAV is an imported analogue, modified by domestic turbocharging units and an engine management system.

Domestic? Name the plant that produces these turbines. Judging by the picture, there is a Garret with a zero. It's just that these turbines of the American concern are installed on half of the car brands, they are very affordable. Even car services put such on the Niva.
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Again, someone quietly minuses. Minus if you know the domestic manufacturer of these miniturbines.

[D16]

Minus if you know the domestic manufacturer of these miniturbines.

You were definitely banned from Google Please:
https://www.kamturbo.ru

[Konnick]

https://www.kamturbo.ru
This is all for diesel tractors and trucks, I'm talking about a small one for gasoline.

[Dva parovoza]

"The company plans to launch a serial production of UAVs this year ..." News from the category: "Don't say hop until you've jumped. We need not 6-7 sets, but 6-7 thousand. In fact, everything is in the plans. ..

[Vadim237]

"And 6-7 thousand". Where there are so many of them, you will spread on bread - 100 sets of Orions will be just right, this is 300 drones, and also Thunders Altiusa and the Hunters are waiting for orders.

[noname1117]

Don't be bullshit, there are 200 "rippers" in the whole of America, despite the fact that they have several times more Air Force than ours. There are only 40 "bayraktars" in Turkey. UAVs were, are and will be a weapon of local conflicts, not a single country is going to rivet them in thousands.

[senima56]

"The minister demanded to increase the number of attack drones supplied to the Russian army." And then for more than 10 years everything is "developed and tested", and then 20 pieces a year for the entire Army? !!!
"More careful, guys!"