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Rostec returns to sale the MTs-255 revolving hunting rifle

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Rostec returns to sale the MTs-255 revolving hunting rifle

Rostec plans to return on sale the domestic hunting smooth-bore revolving gun MTs-255, developed at the Central Design Research Bureau of the Sports and Hunting weapons... This was reported by the press service of the state corporation.


As noted, the MTs-255 gun was produced in Tula in the early 2000s in small quantities, but due to the high cost it was discontinued. The issue of resuming the production of this gun and going on sale is currently being considered.

The MTs-255 revolving gun, which has no analogues on the market, was mass-produced by the enterprise and gained great popularity among hunters. It is planned to resume production of this product.

- leads TASS message Rostec.


On the website of the Instrument Design Bureau named after Shipunov (KBP), it is indicated that the MTs-225 gun is intended for commercial and amateur hunting. Produced in three versions: MTs255-12 for a 12-gauge hunting cartridge, MTs255-20 for a 20 caliber cartridge and MTs255-.410 for an American .410 cartridge. The last two models were produced with both long and short barrels. 12 gauge with long only.

Drum for five rounds, for charging leans to the left. Single-piece loading, simultaneous cartridge extraction. The barrel is chrome plated.
Photos used:
http://www.kbptula.ru
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 26 February 2021 11: 04
    -1
    How expensive is it in numbers? It was possible to make a massive, simpler, and cheaper version, the same weapon!
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 26 February 2021 11: 07
      +8
      Sotka about now))) Somewhat inhumane
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 26 February 2021 11: 10
        +5
        A lot of weaving, Taurus 410 39tyr.
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 26 February 2021 11: 18
          +6
          No, this revolver is something like this, if in excellent condition. Rougeau is excellent, but the price ... I'll find it.
          https://veproruzhie.ru/komissionnoe-oruzhie/ruzhyo-mc-255-12-70/
          Guessed it))) Exactly weaving
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 26 February 2021 11: 26
            +3
            And yet YES !!! On Gunsbroker from 60 to 160 tyr. New will be like Beretta
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 February 2021 11: 11
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      How expensive is it in numbers?

      saw the price tag 85550 rubles.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 26 February 2021 11: 28
        +12
        Quote: Aerodrome
        saw the price tag 85550 rubles.

        A thousand euros, not sickly. I will go hunting with a 1968 "tulka" bought for 45 rubles.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 26 February 2021 12: 14
          +10
          Quote: tihonmarine
          I will go hunting with a tulka

          However, the bear had two spears, and now the "tulka" will appear ...(C) fellow laughing hi
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 26 February 2021 12: 24
            +4
            Quote: Paranoid50
            However, the bear had two spears, and now the "tulka" will appear ... (c)

            Well, whoever goes to the wedmedya with a "tulka", with her from him only skedaddle on all legs.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 26 February 2021 13: 17
              +3
              Quote: tihonmarine
              with her from him only to skedaddle at all legs.

              Duc, and I'm about the same - it will still catch up. yes laughing
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 26 February 2021 14: 47
                +4
                Quote: Paranoid50
                Duc, and I'm about the same - it will still catch up.

                From fear, you can always overtake the bear.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 28 February 2021 07: 38
                  +1
                  From fear, you can always overtake the bear.
                  only if you see him first, and so at a short distance, the bear has a head start and a jerk ... wink
            2. Sergey Averchenkov
              Sergey Averchenkov 27 February 2021 18: 09
              +1
              I have something to walk with? With a howitzer? I am not talking about a small machine, but about a tos, for example, 34 - caliber 12/70. Fine, just right. And the price is reasonable.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 27 February 2021 20: 23
                +3
                Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                I have something to walk with? With a howitzer? I am not talking about a small machine, but about a tos, for example, 34 - caliber 12/70. Fine, just right. And the price is reasonable.

                With Desert Eagle laughing A shot - and you are in one direction, a bear is in the other, a pistol is in the third)))
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 28 February 2021 07: 40
                  +2
                  pistol in the third)))
                  so yes, but for the Russian Federation, there is no short-barreled, especially for hunting and self-defense !? winked
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 27 February 2021 23: 27
                +1
                Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                I have something to walk with? With a howitzer? I am not talking about a small machine, but about a tos, for example, 34 - caliber 12/70. Fine, just right. And the price is reasonable.

                For me and KO-44 is normal, but the neighbor's tenant went with the SKS.
                The dogs came, but he didn't.
                1. Sergey Averchenkov
                  Sergey Averchenkov 28 February 2021 02: 01
                  +1
                  Even a Kalash 7.62 against a bear is not a guarantee. But the 12th one with a bullet weight of more than 30 grams, with an energy of about 3000 joules ... and if there is also a steel bullet sheathed with lead - that's it. Bad dogs, usually dogs begin to bite the bear's ass, stopping him, and he brushes it off - the dog will get hit and there is no dog. Come on ... go yourself - you will find out everything.
                  1. Intruder
                    Intruder 28 February 2021 07: 42
                    0
                    Bad dogs, usually dogs begin to bite the bear's ass, stopping him, and he brushes it off - the dog will get hit and there is no dog.
                    at least they can warn that the owner does not yawn, especially when he "has already smelled" you, and you "have not" ...
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 1 March 2021 10: 21
                      0
                      Quote: Intruder
                      at least they can warn the owner not to yawn, especially when he "has already smelled" you, and you "have not" ..

                      The dogs did their job properly, and the neighbor to the bear got scared and just ran away. The dogs did not forgive, he did not leave them.
              3. Incvizitor
                Incvizitor 1 March 2021 00: 55
                0
                An acquaintance went with the group there at least 308 were.
    3. Simargl
      Simargl 26 February 2021 14: 12
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      It was possible to make a mass, simpler, and cheaper version.
      This gun is purely post-shooting! 12GA looks like a bridge, 20GA is all right, .410GA is cool, but .410GA is already dying out. It makes sense to make it in Lancaster and .22LR.
      Because of the "massiveness" it was quite expensive, now the prices are generally wild. I think, if they start production, it will cost about 50 rubles ...
      1. Kapral Alphych
        Kapral Alphych 27 February 2021 03: 36
        +1
        Yes, under Lancaster it would be interesting
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 27 February 2021 04: 14
          0
          Quote: Kapral Alphich
          under Lancaster it would be interesting
          In the long term, they will die out, like the .410GA: either by the stupidity / stupidity of the legislators, or ... (yes, not really!) By the professionalism shown ...
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 28 February 2021 07: 43
        0
        .22LR
        for little things, then why a revolving scheme, shoot at banks in nature !?
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 28 February 2021 08: 24
          +1
          Quote: Intruder
          then why a revolving scheme, shoot at banks in nature !?
          According to the new hunting rules - hazel grouse, black grouse and wood grouse can be obtained with a 5,6 mm rimfire cartridge, but the problem is that the .22 WMR has a real caliber of 5,7 mm, while the .22 LR has a 5,72 mm. ... and what about these highly intelligent legislators ?!
          And then there is the .17 HMR, also rimfire. An even more interesting cartridge.
          And what steam locomotive .22 LR will not be taken out of the rifled license - I have no idea, because the range of destruction by a bullet, even with the maximum initial speed and energy, is less than that of a smooth-bore bullet.
          To hope that the accuracy is higher is the wildest delirium (it is better to contact psychiatrists here), because the victim does not care deeply whether there was a shot at her or the "neighbor".
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 28 February 2021 12: 26
            +1
            and what about these highly intelligent legislators ?!
            and someone already doubts the intellect !? laughing
            And what steam locomotive .22 LR will not be taken out of the rifled license - I have no idea, because the range of destruction by a bullet, even with the maximum initial speed and energy, is less than that of a smooth-bore bullet.
            because the rifling in the barrel, that's what it says, and the energy and speed of the projectile (bullet) are legislators in the Russian Federation, they don't care about the word AT ALL !!! There is a rifled barrel and point, the law is the law ... wink
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 28 February 2021 13: 38
              +2
              Quote: Intruder
              for the rifling in the barrel, that's what it says
              As far as I understand, a grapeshot shot is more dangerous than shooting a .22 LR magazine, and a five-charge shot is generally a "death machine" in the hands of an inadequate ... does this also bother no one?
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 28 February 2021 15: 23
                +1
                I understand that a grapeshot shot is more dangerous than shooting a .22 LR magazine
                depending on what distance and for what bio-target !?
                and five-charge - so in general the "death machine" in the hands of an inadequate ... does this also bother no one?
                in the hands of an inadequate, or alternatively gifted, and a fork - "a weapon of mass ..." (4 holes in a series at once ... laughing ), and the stool is generally unconventional ...!
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 28 February 2021 17: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Intruder
                  depending on what distance and for what bio-target !?
                  More buckshot: 8mm more in mass than any .22 LR. The main thing here is to get there. And who gets it - will not care: on purpose or not.
  2. Looking Petrovich
    Looking Petrovich 26 February 2021 11: 05
    +23
    Drum for five rounds, for charging leans to the left. Single-piece loading, simultaneous extradition of casings.

    Extraction can still.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 February 2021 11: 12
      +2
      Quote: Looking Petrovich
      Drum for five rounds, for charging leans to the left. Single-piece loading, simultaneous extradition of casings.

      Extraction can still.

      cap ...
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 28 February 2021 15: 27
      +1
      Single-piece loading, simultaneous extradition of casings.
      Duc, the feeling - that the author recently leaned back from the "resort", and so to speak, that:
      Piece loading, extradition
      , yet:
      form of international cooperation of states in the fight against crime. It consists in the arrest and transfer by one state to another (at the request of the latter) of persons suspected or accused of committing a crime (for trial), or persons already convicted by the judicial authorities of this other state (for the execution of a sentence)
      wink
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 26 February 2021 11: 06
    +1
    I have never even heard or imagined the existence of such!
    I thought V.O.Shpakovsky wrote about the latest revolving guns!
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 26 February 2021 11: 49
      +11
      And now, except for Brazil, no one makes them. And even then only in .410 caliber.

      TAURUS CIRCUIT JUDGE.
      The 12-gauge revolving system is a dubious idea. Is that "has no analogue in the world."
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 26 February 2021 12: 18
        +5
        Welcome hi ROSSI still produces them in 28 caliber. A good manufacturer, produces a number of revolving rifles, ROSSI revolving rifles are available in calibers 22 LR and 22 WMR, 44 magnum, 45 LC.
  4. Izotovp
    Izotovp 26 February 2021 11: 09
    -2
    The barrel must be moved under the lower chamber.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 26 February 2021 11: 35
      +1
      Quote: Izotovp
      The barrel must be moved under the lower chamber.

      belay And the fly from the Kalash repeat
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 26 February 2021 12: 12
        +2
        In fact, this solution is far from a novelty. A similar scheme is used both in sports revolvers and, occasionally, in combat ones. As an example, OTs-38. This scheme allows you to reduce the recoil shoulder and place on top of the barrel, without increasing the dimensions of the weapon, a mounting plate for any, including open-type, sighting devices.
      2. zenion
        zenion 27 February 2021 22: 21
        +1
        Not only the front sight, but also the shop and everything else. My father was given a gun during the war. I don’t know what the name was, I haven’t learned to read Latin yet. It was decorated and was even attached in the closet. I began to show interest in him and kept thinking how to pull it out closer and make out or whatever. As soon as my father saw my inclinations, he immediately presented it to a friend. He once told his father - Michael, this is such a memory from the command. And dad pointed at me and said - he is growing.
  5. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 26 February 2021 11: 14
    +8
    The first MTs-255 guns were produced by TsKIB since 1993 and not from the beginning of 2000. The gun is interesting, there are both advantages and disadvantages. The advantages include a good balance of the gun, the disadvantages - the difficulty of reloading.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 26 February 2021 11: 37
      +1
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The advantages include a good balance of the gun, the disadvantages - the difficulty of reloading.
      5 shots is not enough, but reloading after each one? request
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 26 February 2021 11: 46
        +6
        Five shots is a lot. Now look, hunting for upland game (running) can be loaded into the drum, let's say 2 cartridges # 3 (for black grouse) 2 cartridges # 0, 00 (for wood grouse) 1 Cartridge # 7 (for hazel grouse) - having previously memorized their location in the drum. Further, after the shot, you have to practically pick out the spent cartridge case from the drum in a rather uncomfortable position. I have experience of successful operation of this 20-gauge shotgun, now it belongs to My Friend (begged) - he really likes it.
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 26 February 2021 11: 50
          -1
          not a hunter. And you are with a single barrel (sorry hi) go to the hog with an uncharged one, and how do you charge it up? Otherwise, the wrong cartridge ... repeat
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 26 February 2021 11: 58
            +6
            Didn't quite understand about the single-barreled gun? belay I don't have a single barrel. I hunt with a (smooth) double-barreled and self-loading five-charge, or with a combined double-barreled shotgun.

            Quote: Mavrikiy
            and how will you charge it? Otherwise, the wrong cartridge ... repeat

            Hunting for upland game - as a rule Static, especially with a dog, shooting in 90% of cases occurs at a seated target.
            1. Split
              Split 26 February 2021 17: 43
              +6
              I hope it will work out somehow on the wolves, this is not in Moscow
              They are not even static ... when I killed the first one, the men put down a glass for me, I hadn't drunk before and fell asleep .... and I wore a hat out of it for many years!
              ZY I confess, I took him off the snow leopard-1 from about 350 meters, the first went nowhere, the second hit the back collarbone ... he was crawling poor crying , 3rd in the neck .... the first is remembered forever recourse Only now the next 2 are no longer animals, although how they differed (svd)
        2. Split
          Split 26 February 2021 17: 07
          +3
          Do you go to everyone at once?
          It is clear that in ilk 27 I had an upper wolf ... for safety reasons
          The rule is always: wrong distance, wrong cartridge - don't shoot! The wounded animal will go away - what's the point? The point is to get game with a shot ... nothing will help here, even 100500 charger
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 26 February 2021 17: 15
            +3
            Let's all the same correctly on you. Borovaya Game, Capercaillie, Tetereva, Grouse and White Partridges and Hares (Animals) - live in the same forest in the same conditions. Taking a dog that works according to Borova and a hare - I meet anyone of the above. Therefore, if with a double-barreled gun - accordingly, I load a small change and larger (of course, there are Bullets in my pocket for safety). With the MC-255, I also loaded different cartridges, both small and large, respectively.
            1. Split
              Split 26 February 2021 17: 21
              +3
              I am far away right now, I was hunting as a kid in a kazakhstan near Aktobe ... THERE the main problem is mestizo, wolves with a cross between dogs ... sometimes under my window in the city! they were shooting in front of people. So that 2ka turned into essentially 1 barrel, tk. everything is possible ... yes, these creatures even ran through the flags! Maybe I haven't seen a real hunt laughing When you and hazel grouse and black grouse and partridges, I did not come across such good then ... steppe
            2. Split
              Split 26 February 2021 17: 29
              +2
              then a break for 14 years, the last time I went in 2008 .... Knowing the cartridges that were rubbed into the gentleman, who bought the license, but no ride in chain mail bought 7,62 for the saiga ... I prompted him. Of course, it's not good to accept invitations from strangers, but he had money, even for the original K96, a Mauser ... yes, the same one ... I have never experienced this with any weapon ... Not because he is a weapon of our enemy, but she's gorgeous, it's a pity from the guarantor and I didn't shoot with his clip ... OU mosinki, I think you won't be interested (c) Fascist brother 2
              1. Split
                Split 26 February 2021 18: 22
                +1
                And I still feel sorry for him crying , wrote the rest in a personal
        3. zenion
          zenion 27 February 2021 22: 23
          +1
          Hunter 2 (Alexey). And two cartridges to uncork a bottle, or a head after a bottle.
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 26 February 2021 12: 32
        +1
        As I understand it, there is shooting in a row like a semi-automatic then manual drum charging, maybe there is a reloading accelerator like this for 12 calories.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 26 February 2021 12: 41
          +1
          Quote: Incvizitor
          As I understand it, there is shooting in a row like a semi-automatic then manual drum charging, maybe there is a reloading accelerator like this for 12 calories.

          The problem is no longer charging - but emptying and retrieving spent cartridges!
          1. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 26 February 2021 15: 34
            +1
            When a friend's double-barreled gun is broken, the mechanism itself discards the sleeve only now the familiar is against it, does not break it to the end so that the sleeves do not fly away, does not want someone to find it again and do it again, well, he equips them himself, so he needs it too.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 26 February 2021 11: 51
      +3
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The advantages include a good balance of the gun, the disadvantages are the difficulty of reloading.
      I agree. Here the drum leans back to the left, which is inconvenient under the right hand, especially when the beast is wounded and intends to hit the hunter in the ears, and the time to sort the bullets from shot cartridges according to the chamber-to-barrel ratio is critically short. As for me, the "break" in reloading will be more practical and faster.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 26 February 2021 12: 01
        +4
        Quite Correct hi in Taiga, bullet cartridges must be at hand ... and quickly equipping the MC 255 with them is a difficult task!
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 26 February 2021 12: 16
          +3
          A gun for a specific hunt - either by pen or by animal. Combining the two options is difficult, and therefore not very practical.
          If, when placing cartridges in the drum, through one - bullet / shot / bullet, etc. an additional function was provided for switching the drum stroke - step by step and after a step, so that only a bullet or only a shot would be knocked out, then this gun would be more interesting, but it is structurally more complicated, and therefore the gun will come out even more expensive. In short, for an amateur, but I would not take it.
  6. Free wind
    Free wind 26 February 2021 12: 00
    -2
    Hunting is now a very expensive pleasure, for that kind of money it is easier to hire a killer.
  7. Dimide
    Dimide 26 February 2021 12: 02
    0
    I wonder if the trigger is single or self-cocking?
    Rouge - large revolver
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 26 February 2021 12: 04
      +3
      There is a self-platoon, but it is preferable to shoot by manually cocking - the trigger is very soft.
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 26 February 2021 12: 18
        0
        Question as to a hunter and a practitioner: - did you have to hunt with Anaconda or Python or an analogue? Impression?
        I read that a fairly common way of hunting
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 26 February 2021 12: 30
          -1
          Unfortunately, the short-barreled barrel is prohibited in Russia ... and I would gladly buy a Ruger Super Redhawk 44 as a "last chance" revolver, with this device in the body kit (optics) and a butt, somehow I got a small boar (up to 80 kg),
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 26 February 2021 23: 18
            +2
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Unfortunately, short-barrels are prohibited in Russia ... and I would gladly buy a Ruger Super Redhawk 44 as a "last chance" revolver,
            Maybe for "last chance" on the hunt of Howd or Lupar ...
            lupara
            Yes, it will be hard to carry another "barrel", but for a wolf who has approached the distance of an "outstretched arm" - a charge of large buckshot "point-blank" (and two charges in case of a misfire) can help ...
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 26 February 2021 23: 33
              +4
              laughing Just for the sake of laughter - I'm ready to invite you to hunt in Taiga with Lupara, with the only condition - you will carry her with you to the last ... shooting any belly - at my expense. When not only is there an extra cartridge, the "sewing needle" pulls to the ground - the lupara will apparently give strength wink
              Food for at least a week - you will carry it near Lupara bully Well, it's really interesting to watch the Terminator live! Plus you - For Humor! good
              No kidding - I'll send everything in a personal! wink
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 26 February 2021 23: 49
                +1
                Quote: Hunter 2
                and I would gladly buy a Ruger Super Redhawk 44 as a "last chance" revolver, with this unit in a body kit (optics) and a stock,
                ruder super redhawk 44 magnum
                Here is your option ... Weighing 1,5kg (empty) - 1,6kg (charged) + body kit and stock. By simply saying "last chance weapon" I mean the Ruger will be a complement to the "main caliber". hi
                1. Hunter 2
                  Hunter 2 26 February 2021 23: 53
                  +3
                  Yes, He is a handsome man! good no need for a body kit and a butt, and cartridges for one reload ... in the taiga, there are often cases - when there are no weapons nearby ... you collect water or out of need ... and here next to it on your belt.
                  1. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 27 February 2021 00: 10
                    0
                    Quote: Hunter 2
                    in the taiga, there are often cases - when there are no weapons nearby ... you collect water or out of need ... and here next to it on your belt.
                    toz-81
                    TOZ-81 - 5 charges, caliber .410, a replaceable smooth or rifled barrel to choose from, and even a "bayonet" (yes, only in one copy ...)
                    TP-82
                    TP-82
                    We have the same options in Russia ... but they are not being developed, and the laws ...
                    1. Hunter 2
                      Hunter 2 27 February 2021 00: 18
                      +3
                      I - I have always looked at the Cosmonaut Weapon with great interest, TP-82 is a hunting three-barreled pistol. Only now to buy it - no way crying This one is a great option! In the USSR, it was not in vain that they received their wages as a weapon designer.
                      1. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 27 February 2021 00: 25
                        +4
                        Here's What kind of zatrot did you minus? Open the face of Gulchatay? At least I would write - I do not agree, my head hurts ... laughing
                        I communicate with people ... rest h Mo!
                2. Baron pardus
                  Baron pardus 28 February 2021 00: 22
                  +2
                  Here in the USA there are fans of HUNTING deer, moose and bears with revolvers. In Alaska, residents of small towns practically do not go anywhere without a 357 Magnum or 44 caliber revolver. And the purpose of the revolver is easy to find out. If a revolver with OPTICS, its owner is a hunter or an amateur of target shooting. Those who carry powerful revolvers for self-defense do without optics.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 26 February 2021 14: 18
      +2
      Quote: Dimid
      Single or self-cocking trigger?
      Double acting. However, self-cocking is difficult to shoot quickly, especially if 12GA: the mass is felt.
  8. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 26 February 2021 12: 12
    +2
    A controversial commercial project, and also expensive, the Tula in the field of hunting weapons outright lose to Izhevsk, they make more budgetary weapons, and the quality has been improved recently, I myself have 27 Izh in plastic manufactured in 2006
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 February 2021 12: 22
    .
    Since when does Rostec decide something, in fact, this is the prerogative of the Duma. And it's high time to stop making potential criminals out of us.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 26 February 2021 13: 18
      +8
      Quote: Ros 56
      Since when does Rostec decide something, in fact, this is the prerogative of the Duma.

      Since when has the State Duma of the Russian Federation instructed the manufacturer what to produce and what not, if the previously specified product was not prohibited?
  10. Azimuth
    Azimuth 26 February 2021 13: 18
    -4
    Ideally, this should be a rifled carbine for survival or hunting in difficult conditions of expeditions, stations, etc.
    Many years ago, discussing him with a guru who traveled not only our country up and down, I heard his vision, with experience I myself came to the same opinion.

    Based on our realities, it should be a 5,6mm rifled carbine. For shooting both with a 5,6x39 cartridge and when replacing the drum, the possibility of firing with a 5,6mm cartridge with rimfire (side fight). Stainless steel, forend and stock are either plywood or plastic.

    The revolving scheme is advantageous here, as it gives bicaliberity by changing the drum, in addition, unlike a carbine with a longitudinally sliding bolt (bolt), it does not require the shooter to have great skills to produce several relatively aimed shots in a stressful situation.

    It is easier to carry with you (or supply) a large number of 5,6mm "small" cartridges, which are much lighter and cheaper than shot cartridges, and in difficult conditions they allow you to get all small and medium game, plus a certain amount of 5,6x39mm cartridges giving a long firing range, and having great slaughter.

    For purely amateur hunting - only if for a change. Well, maybe the fishermen will like it if it does not weigh as much as a tank.
    And the amateur - people with smooth-bore Saiga hunt, although it is clear that when you see someone with this freak in their hands instead of a RIFLE, you just want to either drive away, or break this "piece of iron" about him.
    1. minus
      minus 26 February 2021 14: 10
      +3
      Does it bother you that the actual caliber 5,6 * 39 and .22lr are different? 5,67 and 5,72 mm, respectively. And a simple replacement of the drum does not solve the issue)
      1. Alex koch
        Alex koch 26 February 2021 14: 35
        -1
        The much more powerful 7.62x53R and 7.62x54R have 7,85 and 7,92 bullets, respectively, but in practice the cartridges are quite interchangeable.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 26 February 2021 15: 39
          +5
          Quote: Alex Koch
          The much more powerful 7.62x53R and 7.62x54R have 7,85 and 7,92 bullets, respectively, but in practice the cartridges are quite interchangeable.

          Well, look at the tolerances for the accuracy of Our Civilian weapons. Having the ability to use, and the necessity and feasibility are somewhat different things.
          1. Alex koch
            Alex koch 26 February 2021 15: 45
            +1
            They quite fall into tolerances, at least 7.62x63 Lapua, when they were still produced, were quite certified for use in weapons under our cartridge, and personally, when compared with Barnaul, they flew better yes
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 26 February 2021 15: 54
              +4
              I readily believe. Only I wrote about something completely different, the quality of the manufacture of Civilian weapons (domestic rifled) and ammunition for them has already been legally lowered. Well, if you start playing + and - for ammunition, nothing good will come of it. Even manufacturers of weapons (imported) with interchangeable masks and drums 22LR and 22WMR - step from the WMR cartridge, just allowing the shooting of LR ... never claiming that the indicators will be Equal!
              Adapters and interchangeable strikers are from the same series.
              1. Alex koch
                Alex koch 26 February 2021 16: 13
                -2
                For 22LR, even from the same pack, the indicators are different) At the distance at which they are applied, this is not critical. And the barrel, designed for 5,6x39, is unlikely to blow from a "thicker" bullet 22, and when a soft lead bullet is re-crimped in a long rifle barrel, accuracy may even improve
                1. Hunter 2
                  Hunter 2 26 February 2021 16: 30
                  +3
                  Quote: Alex Koch
                  For 22LR, even from the same pack, the indicators are different) At the distance at which they are applied, this is not critical.

                  Come on belay Use Quality ammunition (the same Lapua, I use 22LR subsonic).
                  Now, on the merits of the question ... you probably know about ballistics, do you understand what external ballistics is? There is no desire to describe these processes for a long time and tediously. Study the question. I repeat once more. There is no expediency of using different-caliber cartridges in weapons, there is simply a permissible possibility, nothing more.
                  1. Alex koch
                    Alex koch 26 February 2021 16: 54
                    +2
                    You know, I even have some idea of ​​the ballistics of the internal wink
                    And about expediency ... Well, if you have the opportunity to burn hundreds of high-quality ammunition and have barrels for every caliber, I envy you with white envy. Not everyone is so lucky. And different people may have different reasons, and as the practice of using the same adapters shows, the owners are quite satisfied with them, i.e. the problem is contrived
                    1. Hunter 2
                      Hunter 2 26 February 2021 17: 00
                      +4
                      Quote: Alex Koch

                      And what about expediency ... Well, if you have the opportunity to burn hundreds of high-quality ammunition and have barrels for each caliber

                      So it turns out to be Possibilities and not Expediency. You are probably right, economically, but from the point of view of a professional shooter, no. hi
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 26 February 2021 23: 45
                        +6
                        Shooting from one barrel with .22LR and 5,6x39 cartridges is insanity. To cut under what cartridge such a barrel?
                      2. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 26 February 2021 23: 48
                        +1
                        We have already decided ... this is from despair and not for the result. The economy, unfortunately, sometimes rules a lot. hi
                      3. Undecim
                        Undecim 26 February 2021 23: 52
                        +3
                        If an individual is not able to buy two different barrels for such calibers, it is better for him to do origami, and not think about shooting.
                      4. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 26 February 2021 23: 56
                        +3
                        Unfortunately, knowing the "poachers" at close range (10-15 meters), they even bring down Elks (in the neck). For such and at such distances - this is Manna from heaven!
                      5. Undecim
                        Undecim 27 February 2021 00: 01
                        +4
                        The asocial type of weapon user is a separate category. There are other laws and criteria.
                      6. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 27 February 2021 00: 11
                        +3
                        But ... this is Bytovuha sad Unfortunately. Twice I got (the Elk and the Bear - who was ready to Kill Everything with such a wound) ... they picked berries with my Wife (about the Bear), okay, I'm a lazy person, cranberries, lingonberries, raspberries, cloudberries, it's not Mine (I know that will be) and if just Yagodnik? This is how we form "statistics" on attacks on people. stop
                      7. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 27 February 2021 09: 28
                        +4
                        Viktor hi A joke especially for you ... you know what is the most dangerous animal? Believe it or not - Beaver! laughing One officially reported assault on a person is one Corpse. The imbeciles decided to take a picture with the wounded beaver, he just bit the femoral artery before his death to the "blogger" to the hospital - they did not take it. 100% Result! One time - one Corpse. It was in the Sverdlovsk region, next to my hunting grounds.
                      8. Undecim
                        Undecim 27 February 2021 09: 35
                        +4
                        The attack was tragic, but not the only one. And everywhere the reason, as a rule, is human stupidity.
                      9. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 27 February 2021 09: 42
                        +4
                        In Russia, this is one case ... apparently, the relatives of this "blogger" lived somewhere around the world.
                        Quite right - Human Stupidity has no boundaries.
                      10. Undecim
                        Undecim 27 February 2021 11: 10
                        +4
                        A huge beaver almost killed a 24-year-old employee of one of the banks in Ryazan, Evgenia Eliseeva. On May 22.00, the girl was visiting her relatives in the Lipetsk region and at about XNUMX p.m. she left the house to call her mother (the cellular communication in the house did not work). Yevgenia did not go even two steps, when suddenly she felt something sharp stuck into her right leg.
                        https://www.mk.ru/incident/2015/05/05/napadenie-bobrasadista-v-lipeckoy-oblasti-zhertva-eshhe-legko-otdelalas.html
                      11. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 27 February 2021 12: 31
                        +2
                        It looks like a "yellow" news, it did not make it into the official statistics of attacks.
                        Actually and not the essence, the question How can you step on the Beaver ??? belay This is a 9 - 22 kg carcass (by the way, the meat is quite decent, red looks like veal, plus a delicacy for “gourmets” in the form of a tail).
                2. Incvizitor
                  Incvizitor 1 March 2021 01: 22
                  0
                  Have you got a lot of these beavers there too? Here, where they usually hunted in the Noginsk region, they ate all the trees ...
  • Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 28 February 2021 00: 19
    +1
    I apologize. But most 22LR rifles simply WILL NOT SUPPORT the 22ВМР cartridge, although such a cartridge will fit into the barrel. But rifles and revolvers under 22ВМР shoot calmly 22ЛР. Likewise, the 38 Special revolvers simply won't hold the 357 Magnum round (even if you put it in them). but revolvers and rifles on the 357 Magnum work quietly 38 Special. Even advertisements say that "Our rifle can work with cheaper 38 Special rounds, which will allow you, the buyer, to save money on training."
  • Simargl
    Simargl 26 February 2021 14: 20
    +2
    Quote: Azimuth
    , 6mm "small" cartridges, which are much lighter and cheaper than shot
    Easier - for sure, but cheaper ... I bought shot for less than they cost 5,6 ...
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 26 February 2021 14: 29
    +4
    Apart from the difference in actual caliber 5,6 / 39 - 5,67 mm and 22LR - 5,72 mm, how are you going to convert the trigger from Central to Annular firing? It is possible to have replaceable drums 22LR and 22WMR ... and even that is a dubious pleasure, even these cartridges (rimfire) differ by two hundredths of mm. Although some manufacturers make such weapons.
    1. Alex koch
      Alex koch 26 February 2021 15: 35
      +1
      Everything has already been invented before us, even TsKIB has been making adapters and replaceable strikers for a hundred years

    2. Azimuth
      Azimuth 26 February 2021 19: 19
      -1
      The solution to this "universal problem" is over 250 years old. It is a sin not to know to the Hunter ... Moreover, it is implemented more conveniently and more practical than TsKIB adapters and by the way just for a revolver.
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 27 February 2021 20: 31
      +4
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Apart from the difference in actual caliber 5,6 / 39 - 5,67 mm and 22LR - 5,72 mm, how are you going to convert the trigger from Central to Annular firing? It is possible to have replaceable drums 22LR and 22WMR ... and even that is a dubious pleasure, even these cartridges (rimfire) differ by two hundredths of mm. Although some manufacturers make such weapons.

      Is it possible to hunt with Saiga in Russia?
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 27 February 2021 20: 35
        +2
        Hi Albert hi Of course you can, who are you going to kill? Saiga is a broad concept. By the way, most of these works are bought by Americans belay
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 27 February 2021 20: 59
          +2
          Greetings, Alex! hi I don't know, depending on where I will hunt request I have never done this in my life, they offered to come hunting in the Region.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 27 February 2021 21: 07
            +3
            Let's go better to Crimea drinks For the “fight against poachers” I was given a ticket to their “small” roe deer. Weapons transport permit - I will issue quickly. You don't even need a "gun" wink you cannot transfer the trunk ... you will be a culinary specialist laughing Lunch - Dinner with you!
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 27 February 2021 21: 14
              +4
              Sure, not a problem ))
              Take the nanny with you - I will take both future stormtroopers with me laughing Better than two - each has a nanny wink
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 27 February 2021 21: 25
                +3
                Well, here's how to communicate with You? request in TYVU - I don't even call to shoot predators. Let's start traveling already.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 27 February 2021 21: 35
                  +3
                  Yes, it is already necessary - future marines (or golanchik laughing) already 4 years old - it's already possible
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 1 March 2021 01: 30
        +1
        And with a smooth and with a rifled, there are even more powerful boars, but they also weigh more, in general, they can only be carried like a machine gun on a 3-point belt.
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 26 February 2021 23: 30
    0
    Quote: Azimuth
    Ideally, this should be a rifled carbine for survival or hunting in difficult conditions of expeditions, stations, etc.
    Maybe for "survival in the wilderness" a combined gun, for example, Izh-94 ...
    Izh-94
    The point is in combining a rifled and a smooth barrel - which combination of calibers is chosen according to the "survival experience".
  • hhurik
    hhurik 26 February 2021 16: 12
    +2
    Well so so pleasure wink I would not buy for practical purposes. A classic 12x76 vertical rod (type IZH-27), always with two triggers and a disabled automatic safety device, an ejector or extractor (the master's business) is the best choice.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 26 February 2021 19: 13
    0
    Quote: Minus
    Does it bother you that the actual caliber 5,6 * 39 and .22lr are different? 5,67 and 5,72 mm, respectively. And a simple replacement of the drum does not solve the issue)

    Are you a theoretician barely sliding off the couch or a hunter and owner of, for example, IZH / MR-94 North of calibers 5,6x39 / 20 from which it is tolerable to shoot using inserts, 5,6mm rimfire cartridges, is it .22lr, and .22WMR? .. ...

    Sir, thanks to you and your kind, this site is depreciating more and more ...
    The principle "you don't know - ask / don't know - keep quiet" does not work at all, from the word at all. Moreover, this is not even a question of respect for others, but a problem of self-respect for many.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 26 February 2021 20: 23
    0
    Well, they are bought on the secondary market. And since people hawala what not?
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 27 February 2021 11: 31
    +1
    Quote: cat Rusich
    Quote: Azimuth
    Ideally, this should be a rifled carbine for survival or hunting in difficult conditions of expeditions, stations, etc.
    Maybe for "survival in the wilderness" a combined gun, for example, Izh-94 ...
    Izh-94
    The point is in combining a rifled and a smooth barrel - which combination of calibers is chosen according to the "survival experience".

    No, a combined shotgun weapon is not the best choice due to the mass of the shot cartridge.
    In the photo that you have - MP-94 Taiga, there is also a variant of the fitting, a trust with two rifled barrels. The combination of .22lr and 7,62x54 calibers would be ideal for mining and defending against everything in our country.
    It would be just as great a survivalist weapon. But here the problem of the quality of our hunting weapons intervenes. If we talk about fittings and combined weapons - put out the light ...
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 27 February 2021 21: 01
      +1
      Quote: Azimuth
      If we talk about fittings and combined weapons - put out the light ...

      Just pay attention to Germantsev, Merkel B-3. Beautiful and high quality Thing!
  • zenion
    zenion 27 February 2021 22: 15
    +2
    Excellent self-shooting rifles. In every normal middle-class home, there should be such a gun, already equipped, on the carpet. Dad for good luck, children for fun.
  • Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 28 February 2021 00: 15
    +1
    I do not understand why. So. You want a rechargeable shotgun. Okay. Let's say you don't want self-charging, since those will be more expensive. Clear. Why shotguns don't suit you - pump action (as the Americans love) or shotguns with a henry staple (which are now returning to the market). A revolver-type shotgun is initially limited in ammunition - the drum is not rubber, but pump-action shotguns are available for 10 charges (if the grenade is lengthened). At the same time, neither a pomopovik nor a "rocking chair" with a henry bracket is needed to synchronize the revolver's shotgun with such precision in machining parts. That is, you make a shotgun that is limited in ammunition, more expensive to manufacture than a pumpgun, while it does not have a self-loading rate of fire. Question - WHAT'S NAFIGA? SHOB BOOLO? Several people who have more dough than common sense will certainly buy this. But a normal hunter or an amateur shooter will buy either a self-loading, or a pump, or a lever. Moreover, there are, or rather were, bolt-action shotguns. This will also be easier and cheaper to manufacture than a "revolving shotgun". Attention is the question, but how is the manufacturer going to solve the problem when the cartridges themselves detonate from overheating and the shooter receives a buckshot charge in his left hand (and loses it)? These were the problems faced by American designers of revolving rifles and shotguns in the 19th century. Metal sleeves transfer heat very well and heat up very quickly. Pictured below is a Sears shotgun. Magazine 6 + 1 (it is possible to lengthen the magazine / grenade launcher by 3-4 rounds). Barrel length 24 inches, caliber 12. Now these have been abandoned, pump guns are the same in price, but have a higher rate of fire. Sliding rotary bolt shotguns, though, are more durable and more accurate (with slug fired).
    https://images.guns.com/prod/2021/02/26/60396f32c637f51da2e15a975014593c2c9c379df354d.jpeg?imwidth=900

    Henry staple shotguns were produced in the USA, then in China and imported into the USA until the late 80s. Now the Turkish companies Adler and Pardus produce shotguns with a henry staple. The Americans produced shotguns with a henry staple even in 10 caliber. So the henry staple is strong enough to handle the loads of heavy-duty cartridges.
    I am NOT a shotgun lover. But personally, I like Henry's staple shotguns more than pump guns. It's just more convenient. For me, the Model PW87 Norinko is more comfortable than the Mossberg pump. If the Mossberg is shaken, it makes a little noise, but Norinko does not. And when reloading, the sight is lost less.
  • Tarasios
    Tarasios 28 February 2021 01: 14
    +1
    Quote: Paranoid50
    Quote: tihonmarine
    with her from him only to skedaddle at all legs.

    Duc, and I'm about the same - it will still catch up.

    From Oster I remembered:
    "Ask them in detail, why are they upset?
    But at the same time reducing the speed is absolutely useless. "
    :)
  • Decimalegio
    Decimalegio 28 February 2021 11: 35
    0
    I was waiting for the topic of hunting weapons. Can you tell us about modern hunting rifles (semi-automatic or manual) chambered for the Russian cartridge 7,62x54 ???