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"Too heavy": The new aircraft AWACS KJ-600 was declared unable to take off from the existing aircraft carriers of the PLA Navy

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"Too heavy": The new aircraft AWACS KJ-600 was declared unable to take off from the existing aircraft carriers of the PLA Navy

The newest Chinese carrier-based early warning radar (AWACS) aircraft KJ-600, developed for the PLA Navy, is not adapted for takeoff from the Chinese fleet aircraft carriers. It is reported by Defense World with reference to China Central Television (CCTV).


The publication draws attention to the statements of Chinese military experts following the next successful flight test of the KJ-600, conducted on February 21. According to experts, the aircraft carriers Liaoning and Shandong, which are part of the PLA Navy, are equipped with a springboard for aircraft take-off, which excludes the basing of an AWACS aircraft on board these ships.

It is noted that the "flying radar" KJ-600 is "too heavy" to make an independent takeoff using the aircraft carrier's springboard, and there are no catapults on this type of ships. As an example, similar American carrier-based AWACS aircraft of the E-2 Hawkeye type based on the US Navy aircraft carriers are cited.

The deck of an aircraft carrier is too short for such a heavy aircraft to take off only with the help of a springboard and the thrust of its own engines

- said the military expert Song Jian.

According to the conclusions of experts, the new carrier-based aircraft KJ-600 can only be based on the next generation aircraft carrier, which is already under construction. According to reports, the new ship will be equipped with an electromagnetic catapult.

The program for creating a special AWACS KJ-600 aircraft was launched in the early 2000s along with the development program for the aircraft carrier fleet of China, but the aircraft made its first flight only in August 2020. According to the Chinese military, the KJ-600's "flying radar" is capable of detecting American stealth aircraft.
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  1. Flooding
    Flooding 26 February 2021 09: 13
    +6
    the aircraft is not heavy, and the existing aircraft carriers are not suitable for launching this type of aircraft.
    well, that's understandable.
    the latest aircraft and is being sharpened for the latest aircraft carrier
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 February 2021 09: 39
      0
      https://topwar.ru/174675-samolet-drlo-xian-kj-600-dlja-vms-noak.html
    2. Bradley
      Bradley 26 February 2021 13: 08
      0
      Is the glass half empty or full?
  2. prior
    prior 26 February 2021 09: 15
    -7
    Heavy, not heavy, but the Chinese have it.
    Take off empty, refuel in the air, business.
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 26 February 2021 09: 25
      +2
      From whom will he refuel in the air in the middle of the ocean?
      1. prior
        prior 26 February 2021 09: 31
        -4
        From the tanker.
        1. Eldorado
          Eldorado 26 February 2021 09: 38
          -1
          Where can you get a tanker in the middle of the ocean?
          1. prior
            prior 26 February 2021 09: 44
            -3
            In the same place as for the Russian TU-160.
            And also, in extreme cases, a fighter taking off from an aircraft carrier can be equipped with refueling equipment.
          2. yehat2
            yehat2 26 February 2021 10: 31
            +5
            will do on floats, and will carry it like that)))
            tap on the water - and let it take off.
            And if it's no joke, then after working out the equipment, the Chinese will not have difficulty making a UAV with radar functions, but it will already be much easier and will take off from any sane take-off site.
            1. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 26 February 2021 18: 43
              0
              Quote: yehat2
              it will not be difficult for the Chinese to make a UAV with radar functions

              And where will the UAV take so much energy to power these radars?)))
              If it was possible to make a compact UAV with the AWACS function, then it would have been done long ago, while no one has them)))
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 26 February 2021 20: 53
                +1
                throw out the pilots with parachutes and get the UAV
                and at the same time throw out the unnecessary volume and support systems for people.
                here is the weight gain. And the radar and its energy remained.
                What's so unreal about that?
  3. Pereira
    Pereira 26 February 2021 09: 15
    +5
    People worked for the future. Everything is correct.
  4. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 26 February 2021 09: 22
    +8
    The program for creating a special AWACS KJ-600 aircraft was launched in the early 2000s along with the development program for the aircraft carrier fleet of China, but the aircraft made its first flight only in August 2020.

    And in the Russian Federation there are no problems with AWACS, there are no operating aircraft carriers and there are no problems.
    1. A1845
      A1845 26 February 2021 13: 11
      0
      Quote: Alex2048
      And in the Russian Federation there are no problems with AWACS, there are no operating aircraft carriers and there are no problems.

      managers are temporary workers, but there are plenty, they are ready to optimize everything in their pocket
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 February 2021 09: 42
    -2
    The Chinese know better from the basement. lol
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 February 2021 09: 47
    +2
    The question is in the Catapult .... But such a device will find application. And in Russia it is necessary to do this so as not to drive the A-50
    1. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 26 February 2021 18: 47
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The question is in the Catapult .... But such a device will find application. And in Russia it is necessary to do this so as not to drive the A-50

      So they already started, but the money ran out))) Yak-44 plane
      Despite the fact that many years have passed since the termination of work on the Yak-44 aircraft, it still has not lost its relevance and remains the only RLDN aircraft in the world capable of operating from aircraft carriers equipped with take-off ramps. Therefore, the Yak-44E aircraft and its variants are still competitive in their class both on the domestic and foreign markets.
    2. bayard
      bayard 26 February 2021 19: 02
      0
      In the Russian Federation and the A-50 on the fingers to count, even Soviet-built only 50 pieces were modernized to the A-6U. ... A-100 has been quiet for several years now. They said that instead of the Il-76MD90A base they were using Tu-214 ... and again there was silence.
      Where to build deck AWACS with such handlers?
      And there is no base for it - neither the Il-114, nor the Il-112 are suitable for this. And for the renewal of the Yak-44 there are no engines ... nothing.
      And there are no aircraft carriers either.
      Although for some theaters of a similar - a lighter and cheaper aircraft AWACS would have come just in time. In the same Syria would be just right.
      Soon we will buy everything from China, both An-12 and An-2, and this KJ-600 is just an AWACS aircraft ... Serdyukov and Co. have already decided to optimize all aviation design bureaus.
  7. lucul
    lucul 26 February 2021 09: 50
    0
    Too heavy ": the new aircraft AWACS KJ-600 was declared unable to take off from the existing aircraft carriers of the PLA Navy

    And there is no way to lighten the aircraft structure using composites and expensive light alloys? After all, China can afford it. For their fleet, this plane is archival.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 February 2021 09: 57
      +9
      Quote: lucul
      And there is no way to lighten the aircraft structure using composites and expensive light alloys?

      No way. In order to take off from a springboard, the thrust-to-weight ratio must be done at the level of a high-speed fighter of the 4th generation, on AWACS it is unrealistic. That is, everything is real, but to the detriment of its own AWACS capabilities.
      The Chinese made it easier - they created an aircraft for ejection AB, which they are building. And the fact that they will not sit on the existing ones is a small loss.
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 26 February 2021 10: 25
        -2
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        In order to take off from a springboard, the thrust-to-weight ratio must be at the level of a high-speed fighter of the 4th generation, ...

        The Su-25UTG does not seem to have such a thrust-to-weight ratio, but it takes off quite confidently from Kuznetsov.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 February 2021 11: 53
          +4
          Quote: Kurare
          The Su-25UTG does not seem to have such a thrust-to-weight ratio, but it takes off quite confidently from Kuznetsov.

          I agree. But there were some peculiarities, despite the fact that the thrust-to-weight ratio of the UTG is still higher than the same Hokai.
          1. Kurare
            Kurare 26 February 2021 15: 42
            0
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            But there were some peculiarities, despite the fact that the thrust-to-weight ratio of the UTG is still higher than the same Hokai.

            This is what I meant, the thrust-to-weight ratio of the UTG is far from the 4th generation fighters. Those. not only thrust-to-weight ratio plays a role, but also aerodynamics, lift-off speed, etc.

            I'm exaggerating a little, but the same An-2, I think, could take off from Kuznetsov without any problems. Those. it depends on many factors whether it will take off or not. If memory serves, at one time the Yak-44 was very close to taking off exactly without a catapult from the Kuznetsov deck, since it was originally designed for this. I don’t know what they donated for this.
            1. bayard
              bayard 26 February 2021 19: 05
              0
              Quote: Kurare
              I don’t know what they donated for this.

              Just very powerful engines. These are on the An-70.
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 26 February 2021 11: 48
        0
        What about the good old Jet Launch Boosters?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 February 2021 11: 54
          +2
          Quote: alexmach
          What about the good old Jet Launch Boosters?

          They are unkind :)))) The ashes of the "Challenger" are knocking on our hearts :)))))
      3. lucul
        lucul 26 February 2021 11: 57
        +1
        In order to take off from a springboard, the thrust-to-weight ratio must be at the level of a high-speed fighter of the 4th generation

        I did not know that the A6M Zero had a thrust-to-weight ratio at the level of 4th generation fighters.))))
        The propeller-driven aircraft of the Second World War took off from the deck of an aircraft carrier without any problems, and they did not need the thrust of the 4th generation fighters, but it was enough to have a low specific wing loading, and that's it. )))
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 February 2021 12: 19
          +2
          Quote: lucul
          I did not know that the A6M Zero had a thrust-to-weight ratio at the level of 4th generation fighters.))))

          What, they took off from the springboard?
          Quote: lucul
          The propeller-driven aircraft of the Second World War took off from the deck of an aircraft carrier without any problems, and they did not need the thrust of the 4th generation fighters, but it was enough to have a low specific wing loading, and that's it. )))

          And why was it said? Are you going to provide AWACS with wing loading at the "Zero" level? Zero had about 104 kg per m2. To provide such an E-2C (normal takeoff is usually not indicated, but within 20-21 tons), all you need is a wing with an area of ​​191 - 205 squares, while it has 65,03. Good luck :)))
          1. lucul
            lucul 26 February 2021 12: 54
            +1
            And why was it said?

            Indeed. ))))
            Zero had about 104 kg per m2. To provide such an E-2C (normal takeoff is usually not indicated, but within 20-21 tons), all you need is a wing with an area of ​​191 - 205 squares, while it has 65,03. Good luck :)))

            Specific wing loading is the ratio of the mass of an aircraft to the area of ​​its wings. In the case of basing the aircraft on an aircraft carrier, there will be restrictions on the wing area. In this case, only the mass of the aircraft is a possible variable parameter, which I said right away.
            An AWACS propeller aircraft weighing 20 tons was initially too heavy for its tasks, and if the Americans did not bother with weight, having catapults, then for China, weight reduction is the main priority. The same Zero had a practical range of 3 km, which the same Hawkeye does not have.
            Therefore, for China, it is only a reduction in the mass of the aircraft, through the use of expensive light alloys in the design. Otherwise, the aircraft carriers "Liaoning" and "Shandong" will remain incapable of combat without their own AWACS aircraft)))
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 February 2021 13: 05
              +2
              Quote: lucul
              An AWACS propeller aircraft weighing 20 tons was initially too heavy for its tasks, and if the Americans did not bother with weight, having catapults, then for China, weight reduction is the main priority.

              The opposite is true. Propeller-driven aircraft AWACS with a mass of 20 tons is just needed in order to fully solve AWACS tasks in the air. Therefore, the main priority for the Chinese is not an attempt to cross a snake and a hedgehog, with the obvious result in the form of a meter of barbed wire, but to create a normal AWACS aircraft + ejection carriers. Which is what they do.
              Quote: lucul
              Otherwise, the aircraft carriers "Liaoning" and "Shandong" will remain incapable of combat without their own AWACS aircraft)))

              Firstly, no one bothers them to act in tandem with the ejection AV. Secondly, these two aircraft carriers can work quite effectively in the near sea zone, relying on ground-based AWACS and MRA. In general, they are not in danger of being incapacitated :)))
              1. lucul
                lucul 26 February 2021 13: 08
                0
                First, no one bothers them to act in tandem with the ejection AV. Secondly, these two aircraft carriers can work quite effectively in the near sea zone, relying on ground-based AWACS and MRA. In general, they are not in danger of being incapacitated.

                Yes ? And if tomorrow is a war, and catapul carriers will still enter service only after 5 years? ))))
                Therefore, only weight loss, there are simply no other options)))
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 February 2021 13: 17
                  -1
                  Quote: lucul
                  Yes ? And if tomorrow is a war, and catapul carriers will still enter service only after 5 years? ))))

                  And if tomorrow is a war, they will fight with what they have.
                  Quote: lucul
                  Therefore, only weight loss, there are simply no other options)))

                  Yes, because if you follow the path suggested by you, the fleet will not receive sane AWACS either tomorrow or in 5 years.
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 26 February 2021 13: 26
                    0
                    Yes, because if you follow the path suggested by you, the fleet will not receive sane AWACS either tomorrow or in 5 years.

                    Aircraft always have reserves of weight reduction - it's just a matter of the price of construction materials)))
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 February 2021 13: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: lucul
                      Aircraft always have reserves of weight reduction - it's just a matter of the price of construction materials)))

                      Uh-huh. Only now they are very limited, these reserves. And the weight of the aircraft will not be reduced by tens of percent from the word "in any way." There is equipment, there are people, there are necessary reserves of fuel, etc., which, in principle, cannot be solved by the same composites, etc.
                    2. bayard
                      bayard 26 February 2021 19: 19
                      0
                      Quote: lucul
                      Aircraft always have reserves of weight reduction

                      Do not forget that this aircraft is deck-based, which means that the requirements for the strength and reliability of the landing gear and the airframe, as well as the structural strength in general, are higher than those of the land-based counterpart.
                      And do not worry about the first two springboard aircraft carriers in China, they will not remain without AWACS - they have AWACS helicopters supplied by the Russian Federation (like India) in sufficient quantity for this.
                      In addition, these springboard aircraft carriers are not planning to be used in the oceanic zone, and in the DMZ and BMZ, among other things, they will be able to support the base AWACS aircraft (on the An-12 glider).
                      All other aircraft carriers from China will have catapults. And the KJ-600 will be ready no earlier than the first ejection AV of China will go into running gear. Everything is synchronized with them - the planned economy and the leadership of the CPC.
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 26 February 2021 10: 15
      0
      Quote: lucul
      And there is no way to lighten the aircraft structure using composites and expensive light alloys
      There, and the antenna can break off / shift, all the same, the kick will be directed upward during takeoff with a springboard.
  8. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 26 February 2021 10: 13
    +4
    "Too heavy"
    And what is so impossible?
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 26 February 2021 10: 29
      +3
      Quote: Trapp1st
      And what is so impossible?

      Can. But this option is not suitable for everyday work - it turns out very expensive! Powder boosters are expensive, disposable items.
    2. mvg
      mvg 27 February 2021 23: 00
      -1
      And what is so impossible?

      Avik has million liters of fuel ... three train trains. not the best option for space flight.
  9. YOUR
    YOUR 26 February 2021 10: 28
    +6
    This is an American AWACS aircraft E-2C Hawkeye

    This is the Xian KJ-600 AWACS aircraft

    What's the difference?
    You look quickly and you can't tell
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 26 February 2021 10: 30
      +4
      You look quickly and you can't tell
      Ctrl + C, Ctrl + V ...
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 26 February 2021 10: 45
      +1
      The Chinese have roots - An-24
      1. Toucan
        Toucan 26 February 2021 12: 00
        +1
        No, on the Chinese analogue of the An-24, they only worked out the radar. The KJ-600 itself is built from scratch.
  10. Tuzik
    Tuzik 26 February 2021 10: 40
    +1
    rocket boosters let them put
  11. Kushka
    Kushka 26 February 2021 11: 56
    +2
    Quote: El Dorado
    Where can you get a tanker in the middle of the ocean?


    Admiral on the parade ground:
    Cadet Ivanov, get out of line.
    Attack from the right on the course of two US destroyers.
    Your actions?
    Both cruisers - main battery salvo!
    And where did you get two cruisers on the parade ground?
    There are two destroyers where you are, admiral!
  12. Hog
    Hog 26 February 2021 13: 04
    0
    Solid fuel boosters.