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Pistols for clutches, shoes and ... a vest pocket!

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He was only lying in his pocket,
In the final decisive hour

You will never be deceived
He will never betray you!
Adam Lindsay Gordon

Weapon and firms. In 2013, Voennoye Obozreniye already had material about the Derringer pistol (Ageless derringer). But since a lot of time has passed since that moment, and a lot of new interesting information and photographs have appeared, I thought that it makes sense to return to this topic. Moreover, we are now running a corresponding series, and I would not like to miss this unusual type of hand firearms within its framework, which, by the way, has a very old and interesting history.


A scene from the movie Parisian Mysteries of 1962. The lady is holding a typical "clutch pistol"

To begin with, the appearance of Derringer-type pistols was due to two circumstances at once: global cooling and the fashion that arose from it. The so-called "little ice age" emerged, which lasted from 1312 to 1791. It is this climatic factor that is believed to have caused both the Hundred Years War and the Great French Revolution, because when people have nothing to eat, they immediately become cocky. However, severe frosts took place both in 1812 and in 1813, so the cold did not release Europe immediately. And since at that time people were very cold hands, there was a fashion to hide them in fur muffs - and beautiful, and rich, and warm. Moreover, both women and men wore them.

And then it turned out that it is also convenient to hide a weapon in the clutch - a small-sized pistol for self-defense. However, it was necessary that such pistols appeared, and ... they appeared, and at first even wheeled! This is how fashion influenced the design of the weapon. But that was not all!


Here they are - "derringers" of different times and different systems. We will tell you more about some of them ...

In the XNUMXth century, people more and more often had to travel, for example, in the same England, and not only men, but also women. However, this was an unsafe business, since the police did not yet exist at that time, but there were an abundance of robbers on the roads!

“Your money, your life or your big fat wife” - shouted the robbers traveling in carriages, and they had to either give or defend themselves! Therefore, people were going on the road as if they were going to fight. The gentleman, riding somewhere on horseback, took a pair of saddle pistols (preferably double-barreled) and, of course, a sword, which theoretically could protect him from five. Pockets for two pistols began to be placed on the carriage doors, and at the end of the XNUMXth century there were even four-barreled flintlock pistols “for the road”, and at the beginning of the XNUMXth century even six-barreled ones, which had one flintlock, but, accordingly, four or six powder shelves with sliding covers. Four of these pistols could theoretically protect against a whole gang, but some of them also took trombolone with them on the road, moreover, equipped with "wolf", "chopped buckshot", chopped from a lead rod, and even often with a bayonet. By the way, they began to equip pistols with a bayonet, but we have already talked about this here. They were also known as Shoe Pistols, Toby Pistols, Cuff Pistols, Pocket Pistols, and Clutch Pistols because they could be hidden in a lady's muff.

And so it turned out that when the capsule lock appeared, an American from Philadelphia Henry Deringer (1786-1868) in 1825 decided to contribute to this "pocket-clutch" variety and put on the market a small-sized single-shot pistol, of which about 15 000. All of them were single-barreled and, as a rule, .41 (10,5-mm) caliber, with a rifled barrel and a walnut grip. Barrel lengths ranged from 1,5 to 6 inches (38 to 152 mm) and were finished in a copper-nickel alloy - nickel silver, known as "German silver". The heavy barrel and comfortable grip made it possible to make an accurate shot, albeit at close range, and the large caliber provided sufficient destructive power. In addition, such a bullet usually carried dirt and debris into the wound, which in the absence of antibiotics would usually lead to death.

Pistols for clutches, shoes and ... a vest pocket!
"Philadelphia Deringer" - Booth's pistol was unusual in that the rifling twisted in it counterclockwise, and not clockwise as usual. It was made personally by Henry Deringer. Photo by the Library of Congress

They were produced from 1852 to 1868, were in demand, and it is natural that everyone who was not lazy began to copy them. And in order to get around the patent, which at the beginning did not even exist - they say, it's just an ordinary primer pistol, only less than others - someone added an extra letter "r" to the name (at least that's the legend!), Well, so "business "And off we go. The assassination of President Lincoln added to the popularity of this pistol. After all, the actor Booth shot him with just such a gun. "Philadelphia Deringer" - that's what they called him then!


Pod pistol for Allen coupling with screw-in barrel

When loading this pistol, if it was not fired from it for a long time, it was recommended to “shoot” only with primers a couple of times in order to dry out any residual moisture that might be in the hose or at the base of the barrel, and thereby prevent subsequent misfire. Then the trigger was put on a half cocking, 15 to 25 grains (1 to 2 g) of black powder were poured into the barrel and a bullet wrapped in cloth was pushed with a ramrod. It was necessary to be careful not to leave an air gap between the bullet and the powder, since in this case the pistol could break.


Classic capsule derringer

Then a new shock capsule was put on the brant tube, after which the pistol was loaded and ready to fire. Then, in order to fire the pistol, it was necessary to fully cock the trigger, aim and pull the trigger. In the event of a misfire, one could try to cock the hammer a second time and fire again, or ... grab onto the second pistol. Nobody expected special accuracy from such pistols, therefore many of them did not have front sight. And why should she, if these guns were often used by card sharpers at the poker tables?


Also capsule, 1866, but very unusual. Some Williamson's designs. Outwardly, this was not particularly evident. Unless you could see the cap for the capsule ...


And it was not visible because the tube for the primer was on the liner cylinder, which was inserted into the barrel. It was in it that the gunpowder was poured and the bullet was inserted!


Barrel with liner inserted into it

Professional players and those who regularly carried this pistol with them fired and reloaded it daily to reduce the chance of misfire. Production records of the Derringer show that these pistols were almost always sold in pairs. At the same time, the typical price ranged from $ 15 to $ 25 per pair, and the models with silver inlay and engraving, of course, were more expensive.


This is how it looked: a man was accused of cheating, and in response he snatched a small but deadly pistol. Still from the movie "Lemonade Joe"

Originally popular with Southern Army officers, the Derringer also gained popularity among the civilian population, who wanted a small and easily concealed pistol for self-defense. In the Wild West, the Derringers were called "pocket pistols," "sleeve pistols," and "boot pistols."


Colt Derringer. Produced from 1872 to 1912

The emergence of cartridges, first "side fire", and then "central battle" caused the rapid growth of models of "derringer", which began to produce even the most famous and renowned companies. So, the simplest, cheapest single-shot "derringer" began to be produced by the "Colt" company. A very popular, elegant and, moreover, a double-barreled and double-shot pistol was produced by Remington, but Smith and Wesson, which produced a five-shot Derringer Raider with an underbarrel magazine, outdid everyone!


The 8-mm pistol "Ryder" of the "Remington" company had an under-barrel magazine for five rounds, and the supply of cartridges was carried out by pressing the lever located next to the trigger

From 1866 alone until the end of their production in 1935, the Remington Arms Company produced more than 150 double-barreled derringers chambered for the .000 Model 41 rimfire cartridge. At the same time, their "derringer" retained its compact size, although due to the short barrels, the .95 Short bullet had a speed of only 41 m / s, which is about half the speed of the modern .130 ACP.


Frank Wesson's double-barreled derringer. In the middle, not the trunk, but the axle!

Nevertheless, it was the “Model 95” that gained such wide popularity that it completely overshadowed all other designs and became synonymous with the word “derringer”. The classic design of this pistol has remained popular even after the introduction of more compact and powerful smokeless powder cartridges. Interestingly, Remington Derringers are still manufactured by American Derringer, Bond Arms and Cobra Arms, each of which produces pistols in a variety of calibers ranging from .22 Long Rifle to .45 Long Colt and .410 ... Modern models are used by reenactors of cowboy shooting, as well as concealed carry weapons.


Silver-plated pistol with mother-of-pearl inlaid grip

One of the most common types of derringers was also the Sharps pistol. This is a pistol with four barrels, which slide forward for loading and a single, but rotating striker. Known "sharps" chambered for .22, .30 and .32 caliber cartridges. It was first patented in 1849 and began production in 1859 when the company was able to obtain a patent for a practical derringer design. The first models had a brass frame and fired .22 "side fire" rounds. The second model was made for the same .30 caliber cartridge. The third model "Derringer" (.32) had an iron frame, and the mechanism for shifting forward on it was moved from under the frame to its left side. The Derringer of the fourth model also had a .32 caliber chambered for "side fire" with a new "bird's head" grip and slightly shorter barrels, otherwise it was almost identical to the third model.


Four-barreled "derringer" "Maverick" company "Sharps"


A modern copy of the "derringer" of the Sharps system from the company "Uberti"

And then there was Daniel Moore's Derringer, who patented the .38 Rimfire derringer single-shot metal cartridge in 1861. These pistols had barrels that turned sideways on the frame for loading, which provided access to their breech. Moore produced them until 1865, when he sold them to the National Arms Company, which made .41 single-shot derringers until 1870, when it was acquired by Colt's Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company. Colt continued to manufacture these pistols to break into the metal gun market, but also introduced its own three single-shot Colt Derringers chambered for .41. The last model was produced only in 1912, and in the 1950s a number of these pistols were produced specifically for filming Westerns under the name "Fourth Colt Derringer Model".


Daniel Moore's first cartridge derringer 1866

Today American Derringer manufactures .38 Special Derringers under the DS22 and DA38 brands and are still popular concealed carry weapons.


"Derringer" "DA38" caliber 9 mm


COP 357 manufactured by COP. Inc., Torrance, California

The COP 357 is a .357 Magnum double-action four-barrel pistol with 2x2 barrels. It was first introduced in 1984 and is still in production today.


The appearance of the pistol of the company DoubleTap - "tactical pocket pistol" (photo from the site of the company DoubleTap)

DoubleTap's double-barreled derringers were introduced in 2012 and are still in production today in many different designs.


Diagram of the device of this pistol. The strikers of the barrels are fired in turn (photo from the website of the DoubleTap company)

These pistols have stainless steel barrels and aluminum or titanium alloy frames. And in the handle there are two additional cartridges. Moreover, its creators said that they saw this idea in the FP-45 "Liberator" pistol of the Second World War, created by the Americans specifically for European partisans! And, in fact, it was also a "derringer", only very crude, primitive and ... cheap.


FP-45 "Liberator" caliber .45-02

PS Photos courtesy of Alain Daubresse, website owner www.littlegun.be
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 28 February 2021 06: 16
    -2
    People will come up with these non-pistols, you can only shoot at point-blank range and the size is embarrassing ... You have to find such a pistol in your pocket among the little things, if a person has a large brush it is difficult to pull the trigger. But still, an interesting topic, thanks to Vyacheslav for the article.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 28 February 2021 06: 21
      +2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      you can only shoot at point-blank range
      The latter - exactly only point-blank: he doesn't even have any grooves.
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 28 February 2021 06: 23
      +14
      A last-chance weapon, one better than a knife or brass knuckles.
      Thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich !!!
      1. Richard
        Richard 28 February 2021 06: 57
        +3

        This class of weapons received the name from its progenitor - the Gunsmith Henry Derrengier, who at the beginning of the 19th century was engaged in the production of primer pistols in Philadelphia. The designer was most famous for his single-shot ultra-compact .44 caliber pistol. Abraham Lincoln was later killed with such a pistol.
      2. Alien From
        Alien From 28 February 2021 14: 51
        +1
        Small is better than very large))) thanks to the respected author, super series of articles hi
    3. Destiny
      Destiny 28 February 2021 06: 36
      +19
      You have to find such a pistol in your pocket among the little things

      But somehow Booth fumbled for it in his pocket among the little things ... Thanks to the author, a very interesting cycle about weapons turned out, I learned a lot, and the photos for the articles are simply gorgeous - I admired them, they didn't make pistols before, but a work of art!
      1. Richard
        Richard 28 February 2021 07: 12
        +8
        SwissMiniGun


        dimensions: 35x10x55 mm
        SwissMiniGun was created by a group of Swiss craftsmen of the highest class based on the mechanical functions and appearance of the Colt Python revolver in caliber .357 Magnum. The result was, surprisingly, a small working revolver that looks more like a keychain than a firearm. But this baby has a range of 112 meters and hits without a miss. The pistol was entered in the Guinness Book of Records as the smallest revolver in the world. SwissMiniGun is also available in an elite version in solid gold and inlaid with diamonds. The price of such a work of art starts at $ 50.

        1. Richard
          Richard 28 February 2021 07: 14
          +7
          Kolibri pistol

          length: 65 mm Another development of the Austrian gunsmith Franz Pfannl. Miniature automatic pistol "Kolibri" was positioned as a weapon for self-defense, but its low destructive power prevented it from becoming popular. This "minik" is only capable of piercing the striker's leather jacket. In the end, in 1938, the serial production of "Kolibri" was curtailed. The indisputable advantages of the model are its filigree processing, ease of use and small size. Nowadays, the Kolibri pistol is interesting exclusively to collectors and connoisseurs of rare weapons.
          1. Richard
            Richard 28 February 2021 07: 18
            +7
            Franz Pfannl Erika 1912

            This pistol is a very expensive and highly desirable hunting item for weapon collectors. The model was developed by gunsmith Franz Pfannl, who initially positioned it as an ideal pocket weapon. Outwardly, Franz Pfannl Erika 1912 seems very uncomfortable, but this impression is very deceiving. The small-sized pistol fits comfortably in the hand, holds securely, and all controls are easily accessible. An interesting feature of the Franz Pfannl Erika 1912 is the fuse. It is easy to remove it with a foreign object, which is a tangible disadvantage of the model. At the same time, the presence of a double-sided lever makes it one of the first pistols adapted for shooting from both the right and left hand.
            1. Richard
              Richard 28 February 2021 07: 23
              +13
              And of course, how can you not mention the NAA Guardian. 380 by Colt

              Dimensions: 90х24х121 mm NAA Guardian. 380 from Colt belongs to the category of so-called spare pistols for American policemen. The model owes its popularity to its low weight, miniature size, and, of course, reliability. The NAA Guardian.380 is especially effective at distances up to 5 meters and has, as is customary at Colt, many modifications.
              1. Destiny
                Destiny 28 February 2021 08: 47
                +12
                Thank you! The very case when in the sections "history" and "weapons" comments organically complement the material of the articles!
                1. kalibr
                  28 February 2021 09: 17
                  +10
                  Quote: Destiny
                  when in the sections "history" and "weapons" comments organically supplement the material of the articles!

                  Exactly!
                2. Astra wild2
                  Astra wild2 28 February 2021 18: 23
                  +1
                  And there is no wild hatred in the comments, otherwise there are moments that you are afraid for your life. And we are mostly in a friendly environment.
              2. Avior
                Avior 28 February 2021 10: 54
                +8
                It's not really a derringer, it's an automatic pistol
                Speaking about such, in my opinion, you need to remember the Czech Zvi Kevin and his American version - Zvi Kevin and Micro Desert Eagle and others based on it
                Magazine for 6 rounds, caliber 9 * 18, effective firing range up to 15 meters thanks to compensators.
                For self-defense - exactly what you need
        2. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 28 February 2021 15: 23
          0
          Richard, are you kidding ?! Is this baby shooting?
          I have no idea what kind of cartridges she has.
          1. Avior
            Avior 28 February 2021 18: 57
            +4

            this is from the exposition of the Tula Museum of Weapons.
            six-shot hairpin revolvers of the Lefauche system with a caliber of 1 millimeter.

            Made by schoolchildren from the factory school, 19th century.
      2. kalibr
        28 February 2021 09: 18
        +9
        Soon there will be photos of pistols made for Catherine II ... this is ... art!
        1. Destiny
          Destiny 28 February 2021 09: 26
          +11
          Thanks in advance! This mesmerizing beauty is more for contemplation and not for what it was intended for ...
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    5. Intruder
      Intruder 28 February 2021 13: 14
      +2
      Such a pistol still in your pocket must be felt among the little things, if a person has a large hand it is difficult to pull the trigger
      , yes, it’s okay .. if you don’t put in your pocket with a change, but carry it as expected, there is a compact and inexpensive model, such as: "Old Glory Handgun in .45LC / .410 Package 3", with a holster you can wear it on your shins, under jeans !!!
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 28 February 2021 07: 35
    +3
    Vyacheslav! hi Your materials are read in one go - interesting, but not enough negative Two questions for you on the topic - whether such weapons have been created in Russia, and now, after all, "ladies' pistols" are also being produced in the world - perhaps you will write about them too? ??
    1. kalibr
      28 February 2021 08: 00
      +6
      Quote: Thrifty
      now, after all, they also produce "ladies' pistols" in the world - perhaps you will write about them too? ??

      Release. I will try. But not all at once. Interesting pistols ... several hundred !!! I can't write a couple hundred articles quickly. Then I just psychologically cannot write about the same thing.
      They were not created in Russia. Why and who was it to make them and compete with well-known firms?
      1. Richard
        Richard 28 February 2021 08: 28
        +1
        Thank. It was very interesting good
        What will happen in the next issue?
        1. kalibr
          28 February 2021 08: 42
          0
          Richard! What interests you? What will happen in general, or just weapons? If at all - I don’t know, the editor puts the article on the air from the "storage". And if "about weapons", but today the material about the 1887 Winchester will be submitted for moderation. When it comes out - I will not say.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 28 February 2021 18: 13
            +2
            The main thing is that there is something to wait
    2. Fat
      Fat 1 March 2021 16: 53
      0
      Of course, there are SMEs and there is no need to go far.
      Maybe the Korovin System, although unlikely.
      Yes, and everything is heavily sucked in
  3. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 28 February 2021 08: 43
    +4
    Very interesting article! It is also interesting because it "generalizes" the "material", which is often found on the internet in a "scattered" form! Derringers are good, but I also love "roarOlvers"!



    Not only "factories", but also playful little hands are still moving!

    2-charge "keychain".

    6-round "keychain" chambered for Flaubert

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    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 February 2021 09: 12
      +3
      There is another interesting "pistol" that I like! Couldn't insert it right away ...
    2. kalibr
      28 February 2021 09: 15
      +3
      All this will, of course. It's all interesting ...
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 28 February 2021 13: 54
        +3
        And they did not remember about the Soviet double-barreled silent pistols of hidden carrying
        1. kalibr
          28 February 2021 17: 37
          +6
          Quote: SaLaR
          And they did not remember about the Soviet double-barreled silent pistols of hidden carrying

          You don’t put cutlets in borscht? Why lump everything together? The time will come, there will be a theme ...
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    4. Bormanxnumx
      Bormanxnumx 28 February 2021 12: 57
      +3
      The "Protector" keychain is not chambered for the Flaubert cartridge, but chambered for the original 6 and 8 mm central ignition cartridges.

      In caliber 6mm. the pistol was ten-round and seven-round with a caliber of 8mm.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 February 2021 16: 40
        +1
        Quote: BORMAN82
        The "Protector" keychain is not chambered for the Flaubert cartridge, but chambered for the original 6 and 8 mm central ignition cartridges.

        Flaubert's aforementioned cartridges are not for the Protector ... request
    5. Catfish
      Catfish 28 February 2021 20: 20
      +1
      Volodya, hello! hi
      Initially, it was necessary to pronounce correctly - "LevolverT", but how else can you call the structure shown below? laughing

      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 February 2021 21: 14
        +2
        Salute, Kostya! drinks I call this thing ENUI-8! There is also ENUI-2 ....
        wink
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 28 February 2021 21: 26
          0
          Decipher the abbreviation, otherwise my brain has been molten since yesterday. laughing drinks
          I found such a machine on the net, but absolutely no information. Didn't you come across?




          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 28 February 2021 22: 25
            +1
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Decipher the abbreviation

            In 1855, the English engineer Joseph Enui, on the basis of Charles Osborne's revolver Model 1845, "figured out" a "cannon" with eight 6-round drums ...!
            Quote: Sea Cat
            I found such a machine on the net, but absolutely no information. Didn't you come across?

            Came across ... as an unknown .44 caliber capsule revolver ... presumably from Europe ...
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 28 February 2021 22: 32
              +2
              ENUI reminds NIICHAVO of the Strugatskys. How was the Serpent Gorynych taken to the test site in a nalivnik. laughing
      2. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 1 March 2021 07: 37
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Initially, it was necessary to pronounce correctly - "LevolverT", but how else can you call the structure shown below?

        excuse me to insert two kopecks.
        otherwise like LevolverП , from the word animal to you all does not exceed
      3. Fat
        Fat 1 March 2021 13: 52
        +1
        Okay, both steampunk artwork.
        Thank you so much for the photo
        good
        I hope I'm sorry, I got in ...
        Just like a shock ...
    6. Fat
      Fat 1 March 2021 16: 14
      +2
      Third photo ..
      This is an incomparable thing!
      Wow, "foldable" good
      Clear. 22 maximum, but how well executed!
  4. Undecim
    Undecim 28 February 2021 09: 19
    +8
    Pistols for clutches, shoes and ... a vest pocket!
    The title of the article may well be the title of a series of articles, since, in addition to the described derringers, this category includes many interesting types of pistols, ranging from Queen Anne pistols to no less popular than Terzeroi derringers.

    1. kalibr
      28 February 2021 12: 05
      +6
      So it will be: States separately, Europe separately
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 28 February 2021 15: 54
        +4
        Zehr is here. As the Germans say
  5. Dimide
    Dimide 28 February 2021 09: 31
    +2
    Recently read about a credit card sized 22 LR LifeCard pistol
    The article is, as always, on the level.
  6. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 28 February 2021 09: 41
    +4
    wallet or life

    And here different options are possible :))
  7. Avior
    Avior 28 February 2021 11: 02
    +5
    ... since the police did not yet exist at that time

    In France, the police in the modern sense of the word appeared in the 17th century.
    Gabriel Nicolas de la Renis, first chief of police in Paris (in the position of "Lieutenant General" established by Louis XIV).
    Under the patronage of Jean-Baptiste Colbert, in 1667, he entered the first established post of Lieutenant General of Police (that is, Chief of Police) in Paris, which he held for 30 years.
    He also established the posts of police commissioner, which later included the brilliant policemen Megret and Gibert. smile
    But, of course, the police in the modern view in the 18th century did not exist everywhere, here the author is right.
    Interesting article good
  8. Van 16
    Van 16 28 February 2021 11: 08
    +2
    Very interesting, thanks!
    That seems to be such a small break, but sometimes they can play a very decisive role.
  9. mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 28 February 2021 11: 09
    +2
    Derringer derivative, Veldog.
    A pistol or revolver to protect cyclists from street dogs.
  10. Avior
    Avior 28 February 2021 11: 25
    +2
    Speaking with a weapon, in my opinion, we still need to remember that cycling had to make its way into this world with arms in hand smile
    1. kalibr
      28 February 2021 11: 45
      +6
      There will be more details about cycling dogs!
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 28 February 2021 12: 28
        +2
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, but about the shooting "curiosities" such as a cigarette case, wallet, belt buckle, etc., will there be anything?
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 28 February 2021 12: 53
          +2
          It was. Use search.
        2. kalibr
          28 February 2021 17: 24
          +4
          There will be something that was not at VO, of course. The topic of shooting curiosities is very extensive!
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 28 February 2021 18: 05
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        There will be more details about cycling dogs!

        "So they are like dogs!"
        "We will teach you how to love cats" !!! laughing
        I could not resist mocking - forgive generously! repeat
        1. kalibr
          28 February 2021 18: 27
          +3
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          I could not resist mocking - forgive generously!

          It only says that you have a developed sense of humor. We must rejoice!
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 1 March 2021 12: 12
          +1
          Kotek also shot. I had to. From a scratch made by a dirty claw of any animal, a person then died in more than 80% of cases. An adult did not go out into the street without a strong stick at all (this largely contributed to the popularity of walking sticks) and when he met some small living creature he beat it to death with a stick, not understanding what was rustling under his feet - a small dog, cat or rat (the latter was easy confuse).
          But the child did not have enough power yet! So small-bore light barrels that do not break children's bones by recoil appeared as soon as technology made it possible. Well, "velodog" is a good marketing name. I am writing this BEFORE the next delirium of inadequacies appears, which will connect bikes with pistols, and bulldogs with rhinos ...
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 March 2021 13: 19
            +3
            A cat attacking a cyclist armed with a pistol!
            Michael doesn't even smile at it.
        3. Fat
          Fat 1 March 2021 14: 15
          +2
          Ahead of International Cat Day?
          Yeah)))))
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 2 March 2021 14: 26
            0
            Andrey, it turns out yesterday was the All-Russian Day of the Cat, and I didn't even know !!!
            International in August !!!
            1. Fat
              Fat 2 March 2021 22: 25
              +1
              And I didn't know ... Friends reminded me.
              В
              2021 Cat Day in Russia - March 1. This is not an official holiday, but a spontaneous tradition. Presumably, for the first time, the Day of the Cat in Russia on March 1 was celebrated at the initiative of the Moscow Cat Museum and the editorial staff of the publications "Cat and Dog" in 2004.
              Other countries also have "cat" holidays. For example, in the United States, purring pets are celebrated on October 29, in Poland - on February 17, in Japan - on February 22.
              There is also World Cat Day, it is celebrated on August 8,

              Something like this.
  11. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 28 February 2021 12: 52
    0
    I just read this article, however, on another site. Do the site rules allow you to sell it to anyone?) I think it would be fair to duplicate my comment from that site. I will soften the expression because of the politics of this, and that's it.
    Quote
    To begin with, the appearance of derringer pistols was due to two circumstances at once: global cooling and the fashion that arose from it.

    Let's start kicking. Who invented this ?! What burdock? This delirium was clearly not born by the author of the topic, I never noticed a single gram of imagination behind him, but in order to imagine this particular madness, you need an imagination with which they go to a psychiatrist, well, or you need to be a doctor of historical sciences.
    The weight of the derringer is about 225 grams, well, about that, depending on the model. Pick up a Soviet glass full of water. Fold your arms under your chest. And be like that for a while. Find out how much you will have) In ten minutes, your hands will simply drop.
    Well, there were muffs that were attached to the clothes with a loop. We take the pistol. We hold it in our hands. We remember all the time that it is not yet our goal to shoot someone) Not. This is also some kind of garbage. So, let's move on. We attach the gun inside the sleeve. She instantly sags. Pancake! We insert a rigid frame into the coupling! At the same time, plastic has not yet been invented, we use, say, cardboard. The clutch does not hang down so much, but, as soon as you take your hands out of it, it begins to slap you on the diaphragm and twist, because it is not so easy to balance the pistol with the loops.
    Stop repeating their cretinous nonsense after historians, Yeman, think realistically! People have always, in all years and centuries, needed personal protection, moreover, only and exclusively the presence of weapons makes a person a free and independent person. So the weapon was always worn. And it was the most perfect of all that TECHNOLOGIES AND INVENTIONS ALLOWED this particular time. Clutches ... with thin legs.
    Women and children (a pistol such as a velodog was given to a child somewhere at the age of 11-12, since it was time) usually carried a stiletto or a thin knife with them. But the area of ​​their application and the radius of destruction is completely insufficient for effective self-defense, and the saddle pistol is unacceptably massive. The derringer, bicycle dog, and other similar devices appeared as soon as technology made them possible. Metal processing, necessary alloys, gunpowder, primers. That's why the derringer appeared) And of course, the men also did not neglect the novelty.
    And so the article is excellent. Is that the Liberator, who is not a derringer, but much more bicycles
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 28 February 2021 14: 19
      +5
      Quote: Mikhail3
      only the presence of weapons makes a person a free and independent person.

      A person is free and independent only by his awareness of his freedom and independence, and not by pieces of iron intended for murder. I am sincerely sorry for you if you really think the way you write. I don't even want to comment on the rest of the nonsense. Alas.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 28 February 2021 20: 00
        +3
        Good evening, Mikhail. hi
        I prefer another, rather well-known saying: "Weapons give false confidence in their abilities."
        I would add that it gives exactly to amateurs and people with an unstable psyche. Such people are simply dangerous for others, for which there are many examples from our reality.

        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 1 March 2021 09: 11
          +1
          Quote: Sea Cat
          "The weapon imparts false confidence in its abilities."

          Does it depend on the weapon? Or from a person? It is impossible to be free unarmed. Freedom is responsibility. This is knowledge, skills, a heavy burden. And as always, many cannot cope with such a burden. By the way, do you know that in unprepared hands, weapons are much more dangerous? This is money. The harm done is immeasurably worse. The sums in the hands of Mr. Kudrin cause destruction and kill people immeasurably more than a dozen divisions of the fierce enemy. Why are you not calling for the destruction of money, but on the contrary, are you calling them into your wallet?)
          1. Fat
            Fat 1 March 2021 14: 26
            +2
            Weapon?
            Just a tool!
            "The blaster is good because it can shoot both sides" (C)
            A. Azimov
            And money is a tool.
            More precisely .... a medium of exchange
            Well, let's say meat for peas and cabbage
            am
            Sincerely
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 1 March 2021 23: 26
            +1
            Why don't you call for the destruction of money,

            Did I call for the destruction of the weapon? This was not the case.
            And you, in my opinion, are somewhat carried away in your accusatory eulogy. hi
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 2 March 2021 09: 55
              0
              Truth is always inconvenient for those who do not like it)
              Well, don't destroy if it scratches you. Limit. Let's say according to the Japanese method - you can't lift a motorcycle out of the rubble - you can't buy it for any money ...
              Calling a person a dilettante with an unstable psyche, you somehow did not expect that you can easily step on an elegant tail? Ay-ay-ay ... I sympathize ...
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 2 March 2021 10: 08
                0
                And what truth do you preach? What is it? In order to dislike something, you need to "try" something, and you, forgive me, as long as you don't offer anything.

                As for the restriction on the sale of barrels, it still takes place, but this is all fiction, because any person can buy a certificate for a five if there is money. And kitchen knives are sold without any restrictions.

                As for me, there are firearms in my house and in the quantity that I consider necessary for myself.
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 1 March 2021 09: 04
        -1
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        A person is made free and independent only by his awareness of his freedom and independence,

        You own awareness. And I am the trunk. I raise the barrel and say - well, you ... conscious ... well, on your knees! And you bring your awareness to its knees. That's all your "freedom". Talking with your tongue and twisting a fig in your pocket is not freedom at all ...
        And yes. If in response you try to threaten a person with a weapon with the state, this does not confirm your freedom. It is you who threaten your roof, that is, OTHER ARMED. You yourself are a slave. And they figure out among themselves who is pulling the skin off you and in what proportion.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 1 March 2021 14: 47
          +4
          You are stupid, I have already told you this many times. Stupid and primitive like my great-grandmother's cast iron. If for you freedom is the ability to use violence at your own discretion, and the degree of freedom is determined by the quantity and quality of weapons at your disposal, then a slave is you, because there will always be a person or a group of people who have thicker guns, and their the amount is larger.
          Do not judge people by yourself, and then they will not appear to you as animals.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 2 March 2021 00: 38
            +5
            Foolish and primitive like my great-grandmother's cast iron.
            Do not insult the iron with such a comparison. The individual has obvious problems. With the head.
          2. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 2 March 2021 09: 47
            0
            I'm rude and primitive, yeah. I agree. This world is rough and primitive. So instead of a simple answer to a simple question, you diligently moved on to a primitive collision. The very same behavior of an intellectual, when the opponent cannot influence him physically. Well, you don't have an answer, so what's in the balance? Let us blab the opponent and try to offend him, hurt him so that he gets angry and forget about your complete intellectual helplessness.
            So, what will you, the "free" person, do in the proposed situation? Instead of verbal lace, let's answer! I can even tell you how people like you usually respond. They say I will get down on my knees, bend my head down and will make sure that my gaze does not meet with this rude man. But Internally I am Free! “And fearlessly they knelt at the same time,” as the great Russian writer wrote.
            The problem is that the audience on the site is unsuitable for this kind of response. The same officers come across. For them, the intelligentsia's answer is unacceptable ... what a pity! Well, answer me, dear, dear ...
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 2 March 2021 11: 07
              +1
              Quote: Mikhail3
              This world is rough and primitive

              Only for you.
              For me it is complex, diverse and therefore beautiful.
              Believe it or not, during my life I have been under the threat of physical pressure many times, being without any weapon. There are a lot of options for behavior in such situations, their variety is off scale and primitive violence in response in most cases is not the best of them, and certainly not the only one.
              It is impossible to answer your question precisely because of its abstractness. Neither the time, nor the place, nor the reasons, nor other circumstances of what is happening are known. For some reason, you want to put me on my knees with a barrel in your hand (why did you need this?), But I must find a way out how to survive and preserve my dignity. So?
              I can offer you several specific options for your abstraction.
              I send you in three letters, and at this time my friend, who was leaving to pee, beats you from behind with his fist in the temple. After this they do not survive.
              I explain to you that I am your boss's best friend and you hide your weapons and humbly apologize to me for your mistake on your knees.
              I suddenly turn off the light in the room and while you are at a loss, I lock you up and call the police.
              I rush at you, take away the weapon and escort you to the nearest police station.
              In addition, I can run, I can endear you to me, evoking personal sympathy and extinguishing the conflict, but you never know what else.
              But what will you do with your barrel if you are faced with a better armed, trained and more numerous enemy who wants to bring you to your knees?
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 2 March 2021 12: 06
                0
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                There are a lot of options for behavior in such situations, their variety is off scale and primitive violence in response in most cases is not the best of them, and certainly not the only one.
                It is impossible to answer your question precisely because of its abstractness. Neither the time, nor the place, nor the reasons, nor other circumstances of what is happening are known. For some reason, you want to put me on my knees with a barrel in your hand (why did you need this?), But I must find a way out how to survive and preserve my dignity. So?
                I can offer you several specific options for your abstraction.
                I send you in three letters, and at this time my friend, who was leaving to pee, beats you from behind with his fist in the temple. After this they do not survive.

                Q.E.D. Suddenly available your friend is a WEAPON. Do you have even a rudiment of abstract thinking? Strain with all your might! There will be a breakthrough now! You used a WEAPON in a situation! Got it? That's it, that's it.
                It's just that the weapon you use is bad. Inappropriate: You fully admit the death of the attacker from outside influence, that is, you have the determination and willingness to kill. But against a man with a gun, you and your friend are usually just meat. Since the presence of a weapon presupposes the ability to use it) Well, this is a free person, of course. The ability to use weapons includes the ability, for example, to stand correctly, so that it is impossible to approach from the back, well, much, much more.
                It's been a long time since I won an argument so unconditionally))
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 2 March 2021 13: 40
                  +1
                  Ohoho ... I don't even know what to say ... You, perhaps, in my stultorum collectio will now take one of the most honorable places - one step below the Bar, but a couple above the Operator. laughing
                  So, for information.
                  A weapon is an object or device specially designed and designed to inflict damage on something living. The rest are items used as weapons. But we were talking about weapons, weren't we? A kitchen knife, stick, fork, stone are not weapons. And neither did the friend, since he was not designed or created specifically for injury. laughing
                  I fully admit that significant harm to the attacker as a result of my defense, up to death (although the latter I will try to avoid by all means, not to my own detriment, of course), as I admit the use of improvised items for the implementation of this defense, but where does the weapon come from? smile
                  I will repeat it especially for you. If you need to hold a gun in your hands in order to feel free, I'm sorry for you. But I will feel even more sorry for all of us if you really have him. The only thing that remains to be hoped for is that this will never happen.
                  Well, about
                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  the ability, for example, to stand correctly, so that it is impossible to approach from the back

                  you tell your girlfriend, I don’t need to. laughing
                  1. Mikhail3
                    Mikhail3 3 March 2021 09: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Trilobite Master
                    A weapon is an object or device specially designed and designed to inflict damage on something living.

                    Brilliant. A weapon is a means by which you kill, and is not part of your body)) You are funny. Your intellectual verbiage is charming ...
                    1. Trilobite Master
                      Trilobite Master 3 March 2021 10: 05
                      0
                      Well then, carry a kitchen knife or a stone with you in your pocket and be free. laughing
    2. kalibr
      28 February 2021 17: 30
      +3
      I just read this article, however, on another site. You see, Mikhail, how popular my materials are. For the future, be aware that the site administration is very strict to ensure that the authors do not post the same material on two or three sites at once. The championship is always for VO. But after the publication of the article, those sites with which the VO has an agreement on the exchange of information, they, yes, with a link to the source, can publish them. So there is no crime here. You just showed your ignorance. And yet - all VO materials are checked for the level of novelty, and at the same time it is immediately clear who took what from where.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 1 March 2021 09: 07
        -2
        I do not deny their popularity. I have a complaint about their placement, just simply. To meddle with a cloth snout in a Kalashny row - first of all, look stupid. Well, there are many more other problems, but I don't think you are interested)
        1. kalibr
          1 March 2021 10: 25
          +2
          This is not for me, Mikhail, but for the site administration.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 2 March 2021 09: 51
            0
            This is yes. You are on their staff. As I understand, not being a member of the state, you cannot post articles here for a fee. But somehow I used to think that what was done at work is the property of the organization for which you work. And you daringly sell working content to your "neighbors". How strange it is ...
            1. kalibr
              2 March 2021 10: 20
              0
              Quote: Mikhail3
              And you daringly sell working content to your "neighbors". How strange it is ...

              How did you decide this? The administration controls everything. The author cannot sell the same material in 2-3 editions at the same time. But other publications can take from VO what they like. And VO takes from them ... Of course, everyone would prefer to have money from each publication of the same material in different publications. The more, the more. But what is not, that is not.
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 2 March 2021 12: 08
                0
                In this case, a link is posted on the resource where I was)
                1. kalibr
                  2 March 2021 16: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  In this case, a link is placed on the resource where I was.

                  That's exactly what the link is. If it were not for it would be possible to say at least something. And so, it means there is an agreement on the exchange of information.
    3. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 28 February 2021 19: 49
      +3
      Mikhail, and if a lady is traveling in a stagecoach, cab or some kind of carriage, and her hands, so as not to freeze, lie in the sleeve and on their knees. It is now fast and comfortable in a taxi or in your car, but it is a long and cold ride in a stagecoach.
      If my hands are on my knees, I will freely hold the Colt М1911 for 4 hours and will not get tired.
      If I'm a duchess or some other crowned person, I don't give a fuck about that with a pistol, I am accompanied by armed servants. Just in case, the gun can be on the door of the carriage, the average lady used a hired carriage.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 1 March 2021 09: 22
        -1
        You just won't believe it. When a woman is sitting, she takes a pistol out of its holster (the saddle holster is almost the first thing that was invented right after the pistol) and puts it where it is more convenient, including in the sleeve) Or covers it with a fold of a dress, a hollow coat. But it is not suitable for wearing, as I have shown.
        You are not a crowned person, there were several thousand of them all over the planet at the best times for crowns. But if there is still a crowned person ... To be honest, the role of the "discoverer of great secrets" is pretty tired. Okay. Did you know that more than 70% of thefts in the world take place ... suddenly ... by those people who are guarding the property? And security systems are primarily aimed not at third-party thieves, but at their own guards?
        And that almost 100% of the crowned heads were slapped not by other people's uncles, but by their servants and former supporters, whom they considered true to themselves until the moment when they took out the trunk, knife or snuffbox? No matter how much money and security you have, it only takes one hit to kill you. And your best guard is yourself. Whoever you hire and attract for this)
        The girl, the most noble family, was given a knife at 4-5 years old. And they taught, taught, taught ... With a cheerful laugh, very young French noblemen and noblewomen rushed along the corridors, playing bilboquet. Cool game, I also advise you (as soon as you start standing up, go straight to the movement, this is necessary). And Russian kids played siskin, there is a different specificity, but ...
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 1 March 2021 10: 11
          0
          "playing bilboke", what is this game? I have not heard of her
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 1 March 2021 11: 50
            0
            Yandex.
            In general, a broad outlook is one of the components of real freedom. Yes, you can find out a thing or two with search engines. The only question is - do you know what to ask about?)
            1. Fat
              Fat 1 March 2021 14: 52
              +2
              What do you know about Freedom, Bro?
              State the criteria for this state!
              Freedom is: ..... You can point by point ....
              And so, you are perceived as an evil anarchist.
              Sorry for the harshness
              Best regards
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 1 March 2021 16: 45
                -1
                Write an article? So they began to demand from me that I check articles on text.ru. Well, in the sense that the staff member who will appropriate the money for my article does not have to press a couple of buttons. How is this ... that ... unpleasant. I tried to offer them material, as journalists do in print media - they don’t need them! To make articles for money, you have to be on their staff! Then I went crazy ...
                In general, I will not do articles for VO in such conditions) It is very much not humanly like that. So I became popular on the net thanks to these articles. On the same text.ru I climbed into the settings by which they check me for plagiarism. And I found that my articles were actively copied! True, mostly liberals to hate fiercely. Arguments against collecting in their heads are hard, so they copy and sprinkle poison)) Neighing ...
                1. Fat
                  Fat 1 March 2021 17: 17
                  0
                  Accepted.
                  With respect. Bro.
                  And just did not try to post the open?
                  Create a blog?
                  Although...
                  I'll have to do so in the foreseeable future.
                  And you do not pass))))) hi
                  1. Mikhail3
                    Mikhail3 2 March 2021 09: 35
                    0
                    Pass? Is the mandatory publication of my articles a goal? Why should I do this?) I am smart, my brain is developed, and it was not for nothing that I got it. Why would I wave it all like a flag? Because people don't read my thoughts, I won't sleep worse. There are many ways to publish. Another question - is it worth doing at all?
            2. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 1 March 2021 16: 00
              +1
              And you can't ask on Google. Joke. I will stupidly score into the search engine "bilboque"
              1. Fat
                Fat 1 March 2021 17: 41
                0
                Vera, anyone with a knife longer than a foot will tell what kind of game it is.
                And yes, the owner is not equal to the able
                For all the impetuosity - military affairs.
                Reception is wrong
                This is how Rzhevsky happened to give out a pun.
                Did not want to offend hi
                1. Astra wild2
                  Astra wild2 1 March 2021 18: 00
                  0
                  Andrey "fat", 1) did not understand why: "the reception is not correct" 2) I do not know why to be offended?
                  1. Fat
                    Fat 1 March 2021 18: 57
                    0
                    There was never a thought.
                    I'm just a little bit rude
                    And many are offended by this.
                    I'm glad I didn't hurt you.

                    Playing bilbock is frankly not an example.
                    This is an apple tossed onto a fork to catch.
                    Well, you know.
                    Wouldn't have written it if they hadn't known.
                    Flared up and therefore asked for forgiveness
                    Forgiven?
                    1. Mikhail3
                      Mikhail3 2 March 2021 09: 31
                      0
                      Not. Catch a flat board with holes of various shapes punched in it. The board is tied to the knife with a rope, the harder the game, the shorter the rope. With a jerk of your hand with a knife, throw the board up and exactly at this moment, neither earlier nor later, your partner shouts - a triangle! And you catch a triangular hole on the edge of the knife. The option you described is for playing in a tavern, pretty drunk. In this form, it is also very useful, coping with intoxication is priceless.
                      1. Astra wild2
                        Astra wild2 2 March 2021 12: 58
                        0
                        Interesting game .. Have you tried or seen that you spoke so confidently. Joke
                      2. Mikhail3
                        Mikhail3 2 March 2021 13: 05
                        0
                        He played and did. And he played with a siskin)
                      3. Astra wild2
                        Astra wild2 2 March 2021 14: 03
                        0
                        I didn't have this in my childhood
                      4. Mikhail3
                        Mikhail3 3 March 2021 09: 12
                        0
                        Of course) Although ... if you were born in the 90s, it could be anything. Well, as a child, I came up with at least one game that "captured" my city, and if I needed some kind of adaptations, I made them, that's all.
                        But here is the question of the primary content of the built-in search engine). As a child, I didn't know anything about bilbock, so I didn't do it. Yes, they fiercely cut into the siskin, and only much later I realized that the Russian siskin was a preparation technique for working with a saber, a sword, and partly with a short blade.
                        And bilboke, this is already in his youth, when he began to read even more. Of course, I made several of these things and enjoyed practicing with pleasure. I recommend spillikins to you. You can use toothpicks. Useful at any age.
              2. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 2 March 2021 12: 34
                0
                Means politely flared up that did not notice. I do not like rudeness
  12. Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 1 March 2021 16: 14
    +1
    "almost 100% of the crowned persons" I know the history of bm.
    You didn't read my comment carefully: "the average lady used a hired carriage." In her carriage, she could have coach pistols, but in a hired carriage there are no such pistols.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 1 March 2021 16: 48
      +1
      And what should I have paid attention to? You claim that they carry pistols for the lady. Why should I go into the smallest details? Or are you planning an operation against Queen Victoria? Are you writing a book? So in this case, you need to know the history radically better than you can do so far.
      1. Fat
        Fat 2 March 2021 02: 07
        +1
        I play, I recommend 2 things for the Victorian era.
        Disonored, and especially the AU syndicate.
        A lot of people have worked hard here.
        I will note that it is much more prepared.
        Than me and you. From there and knowledge,
        I am not a writer, but a referent.
        I didn't want to hurt you.
        Will think of Opus to write, I will help, I promise a discount)))))))
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 2 March 2021 09: 26
          0
          So I can write myself) Where did you hit me and for what place ?! To hurt me, you need radically more than texts on the Internet) You, too, do not be offended. There is almost nothing alive on the network, so be puzzled here by someone's comments about me personally ?! It would be funny. I don’t play toys of this kind. Not interested. As cartoons, they are empty, as games are too stupid. I don't actually play anymore. Civilization, Blade of Darkness, last thing, King's Bounty. But when at the extreme difficulty level in the second third of the game you gain enough to immediately complete the final battle, this is not quite the same ...
  • John22
    John22 2 March 2021 19: 40
    0
    Women's hand muffs were worn on a strap through the neck. They just did not carry them in their hands: the point is free hands if necessary. And they wore everything in muffs if necessary. And the clutches in the hands are for the cinema.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 3 March 2021 09: 16
      0
      Imagine a weight of 200 grams on a strap across the neck)) You can wear anything, you just have to carry it in your hand. And yes, they wore a lot. Try to walk for a couple of hours with a pistol in hand) Wonderful pastime). You will definitely like it. Nobody wore anything in a muff, they carried it in a pocket or in a bag. When it was necessary to use it, they took it in hand and hid it in a sleeve. It has already become ridiculous to explain. As if I'm correcting a bib for kids ...
  • Intruder
    Intruder 28 February 2021 13: 11
    +2
    Modern descendants are quite good, by the way wink :
  • Intruder
    Intruder 28 February 2021 13: 12
    +3
    Modern descendants of those classics:

    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 28 February 2021 18: 09
      +6
      It is curious that in the "bad" USA, the authorities, which, according to our propaganda, such as: in "constant internal confrontation", "the people there are pressed by the federals", "there will be a civil war soon" and other propaganda bullshit trust their people, who it turns out, according to our propaganda, there will soon begin a war against the government or among themselves and allow owning a mass of small arms, but in tight-knit Russia, those in power are afraid of any indulgences in terms of possession of weapons for the population, not to mention short-handed ... On the contrary, soon kitchen knives will be referred to as "weapons" and we will keep them in the police and get paid for sausage or something else. But the rating of "someone" - "wow! What!" ... Let's rally ... So we will win ... The Englishwoman crap ...
      1. kalibr
        28 February 2021 18: 26
        +8
        Quote: Snail N9
        here in tight-knit Russia those who hold power are afraid of any indulgences in terms of possession of weapons for the population like fire, not to mention short-handedness

        Exactly! And this is the best indicator of our political culture and culture in general. And we also try to tell the whole world how to live correctly ...
        1. Fat
          Fat 1 March 2021 15: 08
          0
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, take your time.
          How and with what weapon did the sovereign peasants possess ... This is a topic for serious work.
          Well, take the Kirov region ..
          None of the latifundists had time to check in there, except the Norwegian ...
          But even here everything is complicated ((((
          Yes you are right. ...
          But culture is a profitable business, and I will defend the acquired labor to the blood, for the sake of grandchildren .... (((
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 28 February 2021 19: 53
        +4
        On the contrary, soon kitchen knives will be referred to as "weapons" and we will keep them in the police and get paid for sausage or something else.
        Have you forgotten about: axes, forks and hammers ...!? They must be brought under a compulsory license - with the delivery of TB and the rules of treatment, with a medical commission and a state duty !!! wink
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 28 February 2021 21: 10
          +1
          In my village there was a case when in marriage a man killed another with his fist. They fumbled him for some time and released him on the brakes. On the one hand, he killed, but he did not use any weapons and wrote down: "an accident" like slipped and a skull of a grunt or invisible we grumble a tyuk and: "no Cook" (c)
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 28 February 2021 21: 48
            +5
            In my village there was a case when in marriage a man killed another with his fist.
            Married? What is your advanced village, men live in marriage with each other. And who killed whom, the husband "wife" or the "wife" of the husband?
      3. vladcub
        vladcub 28 February 2021 21: 14
        +1
        Comrade Snail, for accuracy. It was the same in the Soviet Union: weapons ?! No no
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 1 March 2021 09: 44
          -1
          Try reading. Interesting occupation, I'll tell you! Look at books from the USSR of the 30-40s. Pay attention to the culture of Soviet weapons. "About how many wonderful discoveries we have ..."
      4. Fat
        Fat 1 March 2021 15: 45
        +1
        If you are talking about pistols, then yes.
        There are many weapons on hand in the Russian Federation.
        Reasonable restrictions ....)))))
        And according to your message, we will soon begin to shave with a waffle towel ...
        Interestingly, trimmers will be banned?
        There are blades and even! The wire!
        Is electricity also in the spotlight of the secret services?
        And the water supply?
        You can drown anyone!
        I honestly don't understand your harsh irony.
        That there is a desire to kiss the shoes of bandits of any color of eyes, hair, skin?
        Normal guy?
        Have you decided to become a clicker?
        But no to you!
  • iskanderzp
    iskanderzp 28 February 2021 14: 01
    +2
    Interesting article and just gorgeous comments. Special thanks for the illustrations!
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 28 February 2021 15: 48
    +2
    Still, not a very practical weapon.
    For concealed wearing, a device that shoots, for example, with needles with curare poison, is much more convenient.
    And in terms of efficiency, out of competition - a wound anywhere will be fatal, unless the carcass is quickly connected to a ventilator laughing
    By the way, damn it, the idea is a device that simultaneously shoots several dozen needles so that they overlap a sector of 180 degrees or wider. Against a gopota who attacks one in a flock.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 28 February 2021 21: 00
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      As a rule, each pack has a leader. If the leader is immediately neutralized, then the flock loses aggression.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 28 February 2021 22: 28
        +2
        As a rule, each pack has a leader. If the leader is immediately neutralized, then the flock loses aggression.
        hmm, a controversial assumption .... last year, personally "with colleagues" in their area, they dispersed a mass brawl at a bar alone, drunk youth unfortunately did not lose their aggression, after "packing" their leaders with police, several "alpha males" they started the crowd by pointing fingers at the police and other things, doing ... working for their crowd, so to speak ... despite the presence of the police and other caring citizens ... on the street, everything ended in a banal and simple way - I had to pack 11 carcasses active and alternatively gifted from the crowd, actively helping the police ... somehow, like that ...!
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 1 March 2021 08: 42
          +1
          If there are several: "alpha males" then of course. In fact, each case is individual, but it is believed that if he managed to neutralize the leader, then there is a minute respite
      2. Fat
        Fat 1 March 2021 18: 13
        +1
        Right! But not always. The position of the leader is always on the edge.
        "Akella missed" (C)
        There will be a replacement and bickering of the applicants is inevitable - this is the very "ficus"
        Which is better not to be confused in the queue for watering.)))))
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 28 February 2021 22: 31
      +1
      By the way, damn it, the idea is a device that simultaneously shoots several dozen needles so that they overlap a sector of 180 degrees or wider. Against a gopota who attacks one in a flock.
      you propose to use a fragmentation warhead with a GGE, and then sit in court with collective or multiple lawsuits against the owner of this device, from the victims of those very gopniks who will accuse you of a massive attempt on their life and health, very bad, but an option ...
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 28 February 2021 22: 33
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      For concealed wearing, a device that shoots, for example, with needles with curare poison, is much more convenient
      biological weapons right ... I'm already afraid for this resource !? laughing wink
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 28 February 2021 22: 35
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        Quote: Intruder
        biological weapons right ...

        What is biological in it? Not even a chemical one. Rather, poisoned cold.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 28 February 2021 22: 50
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          What is biological in it?
          organic poison, or rather toxin of organic origin - isn't it a biological ingredient of natural origin laughing ! ??? Plus, not cold - or rather, cold throwing !!!
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 1 March 2021 09: 41
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        Yes, let the children speak out) It's just a young man in arms who is desperately afraid of the world around him (and such are almost all teenagers) looking for safety. And you dig even deeper - power, which he does not deserve, but really wants.
        And the weapon itself cannot do anything like that. But the child is dreaming! And all these needle punchers, stun guns, tranclucators sell very well in texts and films. Nothing. The smart ones will grow up, the stupid ones will get in the teeth and will learn not to creep into the arm of those who understand weapons. And there is dropout, of course. At the moment, it is carried out mainly with kitchen knives ...
  • vladcub
    vladcub 28 February 2021 15: 50
    +3
    "however, there were severe frosts in 1812 and in 1813" and in 1954-38, in 2006 -30, 2014 -25 and in 2021 -15 (what are the temperatures in the Kuban now recalled) so what should we expect new "Direngers" in the clutch?
    V. O. THANKS for an interesting cycle.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 28 February 2021 16: 28
    +3
    "derrengers" of caliber 38 special "in 19 they were effective, but now? On the one hand, two-charging baby is a perversion: there are a great many compacts and subcompacts on the market with a magazine for 6-8 rounds.
    On the other hand, if you have as the main one: Glock, Zig-Zaur for 16 rounds, as a spare and such a baby will come in handy
    1. kalibr
      28 February 2021 17: 34
      +2
      Quote: vladcub
      as a spare and such a baby will come in handy

      You see!
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 28 February 2021 18: 05
        +1
        All the same, a two-charge baby now seems archaism, but at that time it was quite normal
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 28 February 2021 22: 39
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      "derrengers" of caliber 38 special "in 19 they were effective, but now? On the one hand, two-charging baby is a perversion: there are a great many compacts and subcompacts on the market with a magazine for 6-8 rounds.
      point-blank, or from a distance - up to 6 m, in a dark alleyway or somewhere else, for example - in a house, on an unprotected NIB - a bio-target, .45LC / .410 .., two shots to the carcass, no difference where the main thing is to quickly and confidently on the machine and call the police next, and then a quick reload and 2 more "attempts" are at your disposal, and 6-8 ammunition from subcompacts, this is for other purposes and tasks ... wink
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 1 March 2021 08: 34
        +1
        2 charges are now no one. You will be greeted by two, one neutralized with two shots, and the second say: "wait dear, I'll reload"?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 1 March 2021 12: 20
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          You will be greeted by two, one neutralized with two shots, and the second say: "wait a minute, dear, I'll reload"?
          Why spend two - on one, if there are two of them !?
          Straight classic, genre: "Speed ​​is good, but accuracy is everything."
          White Earp, (American guardian of law and gambler in Kansas and Arizona).
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 1 March 2021 12: 27
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      Glock, Zig-Zaur, 16 rounds, as a spare
      But the point is, it's easier to buy an extended store (preferably a pair) for his belt, with the second reserve - easy and simple! And the trunk of the second number should be put in another place, so that if something can reach it ... wink
  • vladcub
    vladcub 28 February 2021 17: 55
    +3
    Q. Oh, thanks for the material. I just looked at "Derringer Moore and thought: for that, such a design was the norm, but some 30 years later it was already archaic.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 28 February 2021 19: 07
      +1
      By the way, it is "Derringer" that puts the last point in the magnificent film "The Last Outcast". By the way, there is also a well-shown Sharps long-range rifle and other weapons of that era ...
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 28 February 2021 20: 49
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        Have not seen. Gotta look
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 28 February 2021 19: 07
    +4
    Colleagues, I'm looking at capsule derringers: Allen or Moore, of course the ladies carried a loaded pistol. I have such a pistol hidden in my sleeve, so I have to cock the hammer to fire, and in a hurry I will find and put on the capsule. If they had a soft descent, then good. Slightly pulled the trigger, put it on like a thimble and pulled the trigger .. Okay then.
    I have never charged and have not seen how they do it. Therefore, I am purely theoretical reasoning
    1. kalibr
      28 February 2021 19: 28
      +2
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Slightly pulled the trigger, put it on like a thimble and pulled the trigger .. Okay then.

      That is exactly what happened. Then you shoot with self-cocking ...
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 28 February 2021 22: 45
      +1
      Here I have such a pistol hidden in the muff, to shoot I need to cock the hammer, and the capsule in a hurry until I find and put on
      Well, in those days, the ladies were not timid and by the way, there were few "wear and tear", more corpses .. not very picky and impudent potential robbers and "harassers" of all stripes ... laughing , therefore, confident women did not shun the direct use of the "last chance" (and even wore small products with this on a thigh holster and in layers of outer skirts), right at the scene of the attack .., somehow I decided to add a little romance, just! winked
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 1 March 2021 09: 06
        +2
        I remember in an old French painting: "Captain" (?) The ladies attacked the carriage, and she shot back
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 1 March 2021 12: 50
          +1
          the ladies attacked the carriage, and she fired back
          this is what we have, i.e. in our time it happens, even in purely "democratic" countries, last year (summer) my wife, after a petty robbery in her car park, broke both side windows of the car, and the loss of several things, together with a wallet and credit cards, all the same made up my mind and designed a hidden wearing, and then agreed to two gifts - this is already on my part winked , in the form of: APX Compact by Beretta and Springfield Armory XD Sub-Compact (both in 9mm Para)!
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 1 March 2021 15: 56
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            You live "curly": you can buy and wear: Beretta, Springfeld. If I understand correctly, you live in Estonia.
            Allow me a question, even two,: why Beretta and not Glock, Sieg, Hechler? And Springfield - Smith and Weson?
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 1 March 2021 18: 05
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              You live "curly": you can buy and wear: Beretta, Springfeld. If I understand correctly, you live in Estonia.
              much further, madam ... laughing we have a quiet coast, 4 hours drive from home ...
              can be purchased and worn
              well, to issue a hidden wearing, that is, a license, for this business is a little difficult request , you need to spend a little more time than when wearing open and comply more stringently, according to the requirements of the law ...
              Allow me a question, even two,: why Beretta and not Glock, Sieg, Hechler? And Springfield - Smith and Weson?
              Beretta, unlike Glock (I considered the version - Glock 26 Gen 5, with a capacity of 10) in subcompact versions, does not have such "diseases" as: displacement (pull) to the left, when the barrel is thrown, which is not unimportant for a beginner; the arrow is better in terms of energy efficiency, plus personal preferences (mine and my spouses), especially after visiting the shooting gallery before buying (I had to use a little bit to choose under the palm and other parameters are strictly individual), and Springfield:
              1.polymer frame has grooves in the front for mounting a tactical flashlight or laser designator - more versatility in a subcompact solution, for hidden and open wearing in different situations, this is also present on the model: APX Compact Beretta, in contrast to: Glock 26 Gen 5;
              2. sights, fixed in grooves of the “dovetail” type, with the possibility of making corrections horizontally, have luminous tritium inserts;
              3. The handle has a large horizontal notch on the front and back surfaces. On both sides of the handle there are recesses for the thumb of the shooting hand. The angle and shape of the handle make the hand fit deep and the hold tight and stable. As a result, the pistol has excellent accuracy when firing at high speed ...
              4. The price in our "Palestinians" is more relevant than with S&W and Glock, I did not see the point in taking more expensive, for these "tools" of constant wearing, and not for "show-off" in front of friends ...
              1. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 2 March 2021 13: 55
                +2
                Wiser, but knowledge of geography, modern history. Indirect clues - American kitten, green content (?) Unlikely. The first thing remains, but the difficulties with the license. Probably local "creativity".
                Sprinfield mixed up with shield
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 2 March 2021 16: 10
                  +1
                  That's why I love smart women ... (it even has a positive effect on the physiological aspects of the male body) wink You analyze everything correctly ... !!! "Local creativity" is true laughing , the laws of our state, abhor the spirit of freedom of the Wild Smell, with a confederate vein in the soul and a republican political attitude ... fellow
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 28 February 2021 19: 24
    +3
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, colleagues. Such a question: the nipple trigger, for some time it was parallel to the trigger. How he appeared and why he disappeared. The hook is probably more comfortable?
    1. kalibr
      28 February 2021 19: 29
      +3
      Quote: Astra wild2
      The hook is probably more comfortable?

      Do not put the teat on a double action weapon! Only with a preliminary cocking of the hammer, which is not always convenient.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 28 February 2021 22: 47
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        Only with a preliminary cocking of the hammer, which is not always convenient.
        and the shooter spends more time on preliminary, by the way ...
  • Man from afar
    Man from afar 28 February 2021 19: 42
    +4
    In the "Four from Texas" western, the character of Dean Martin shows another way of keeping the "derringer" - wearing a hat, and with its help defeats the hero of Frank Sinatra. This is true, by the way. And thanks for another interesting article!
    1. kalibr
      1 March 2021 07: 04
      +1
      Good shot - I'll take it! Thank!
  • vladcub
    vladcub 2 March 2021 16: 37
    +1
    Quote: Thick
    Right! But not always. The position of the leader is always on the edge.
    "Akella missed" (C)
    There will be a replacement and bickering of the applicants is inevitable - this is the very "ficus"
    Which is better not to be confused in the queue for watering.)))))

    To avoid this, Akella must "worry ahead of time", otherwise Mowgli will not always be nearby
  • Andrey Evseev
    Andrey Evseev 27 March 2021 20: 50
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    And now they are making very good small revolvers, hidden carrying. And their aiming range is up to 10 meters, which is quite enough for self-defense, but only often the cartridge is too weak for this, like the .22LR. A friend had such a revolver, in the end he still sold it via the Internet and bought a normal one chambered for 9mm.
  • Andrey Pozdnyakov
    Andrey Pozdnyakov 30 March 2021 11: 29
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    And the Americans also came up with an anti-bear derringer. Caliber 45-70. Interesting little thing, but the recoil must be monstrous