New capabilities of the fire control system of the T-14 "Armata"

Fire Control System tank T-14 "Armata" with elements of artificial intelligence is capable of independently finding, recognizing and taking on target tracking on the battlefield. It is reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.

According to a news agency source, the T-14 Armata tank for the first time in stories tank building showed the ability to independently find targets. In this case, the command to open fire is still accepted by a person. On modern models of foreign tanks, there is only a target tracking machine, and finding and choosing a target remains with the crew.

The "Armata" fire control system has a digital catalog with signatures of typical battlefield targets, including tanks, APMs, helicopters, etc. The elements of artificial intelligence allow the on-board computing facilities of the machine to independently search for targets against the background of a complex underlying surface, recognize them, including by the part of the object visible from behind the shelter, carry out selection by priority and take them for escort

- said the source.

He stressed that the tests of the "Armata" control system were carried out not only at the stand with the help of modeling and models, but also at the test site, where Russian armored vehicles acted as the enemy. Based on the test results, the tank confirmed compliance with all the declared characteristics.

The UVZ press service confirmed the tests of the "Armata" in automatic mode, but declined to specify the details.

Recall that the T-14 "Armata" tank will be serially sent to the troops in 2022, the pilot batch will go to the troops by the end of this year. It is specified that the tanks will be supplied with new ammunition developed by Rosatom enterprises specifically for the Armata.

Comments

[Lech from Android.]

It seems to me that Armata can be introduced into a separate new class of tanks ... unmanned tanks ... which prevents the use of Armata remotely with such devices without risking the crew.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Lech from Android.

what prevents using Armata remotely with such devices without risking the crew.

Probably, the weak domestic electronics industry and the lack of ways of effective interaction of AI with the mechanics of the T-14.

[A1845]

But on the other hand, in the absence of an optical channel in the LMS and without access to the automation of the gun in an uninhabited tower, there is no big gain from the presence of the crew in the reserved volume of the tank.
In this sense, the T-14 begs to be used in an unmanned version.

[Old tanker]

Unfortunately, the unmanned version will not work. At the moment, artificial intelligence is not able to control the machine on rough terrain and maneuver on the battlefield. So far, even with unmanned vehicles moving along highways, everything is not very smooth. So we can only talk about remote control, but here the problem is in the stability of the communication line to suppression means. So there is no way without a crew. Is that barmaleyev without means of electronic warfare to drive.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Old Tankman

At the moment, artificial intelligence is not able to control the machine on rough terrain and maneuver on the battlefield. So far, even with unmanned vehicles moving along highways, everything is not very smooth. So we can only talk about remote control, but here the problem is in the stability of the communication line to suppression means. So there is no way without a crew.

As a minimum, it will be possible to get by with one tanker, and not three, as in the usual T-14. That already fully justifies these developments.

[Kart]

Quote: ROSS 42

Probably, the weak domestic electronics industry and the lack of ways of effective interaction of AI with the mechanics of the T-14.

Ага.
Probably these Russians have stolen the AI ​​somewhere, and fastened it with blue duct tape inside the tank.
The rest of their weak industry is not able to create.
How do you do it - create AI, and a weak electronics industry.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Carte

How do you do this

This is not how it works for me, the Russian electronics industry is not able to provide a wide range of electronic elements and devices in the required quantity in a short time. And there are various rare earth elements on the planet that are not found in Russia.
And there are also stores of radio goods (in different cities - a different amount). You can go there and inquire about the availability of goods from the Russian electronics industry.

[Kart]

And then there are planes, missiles, ships that shoot, float, fly.
And they are all made in Russia. And everything that they have on board, in the overwhelming majority, is of domestic production.
Probably their manufacturers do not buy goods in radio stores.
But of course, this is all a lie, the authorities are deceiving you.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Carte

And then there are planes, missiles, ships that shoot, float, fly.

And there is also:

Russian Defense Ministry is changing to Chinese SUVs

https://topwar.ru/180312-rossijskoe-minoborony-peresazhivaetsja-na-kitajskie-vnedorozhniki.html

[Kart]

So what?
This is a car for command staff and on good roads with comfort. And at a very low price.
Plus, there are still a few of them, and they are collected in Russia.
And only in the opinion of a certain portal "there can be much more of them." Or maybe not.
This is how the regime is being fought - with half-truths, blown up to an incredible lie.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Carte

And then there are planes, missiles, ships that shoot, float, fly.

Now look here (from 6:00) about submarines that do not hear the enemy:

There is no match for you - a naval officer. It is he who tells why the American submarines hear ours, and we have too developed electronics and fucking "effective managers."

[lucul]

How do you do it - create AI, and a weak electronics industry

Yes, everything is God's dew - a deeply abandoned anchor is triggered.)))

[A1845]

Quote: Carte

create AI, and a weak electronics industry

these are not related things, AI (aka AI) is still present even in games on consumer smartphones, and there are a lot of domestic developers in this area (starting with the legendary Alexei Pazhitnov)
on the contrary, the creation of a component base of the current level is a deeply non-trivial task, even China, having almost unlimited financial resources, cannot yet cope with this, and goes to the TSMC

[Kart]

Yes, let it be present anywhere, even in the toilet lid.
The fact is that it works on something, this very AI. Iron, so to speak.
And military iron is of Russian production.
And his level is enough for the AI ​​to work. And it is clear that this is an abstract thing, it works in combination with everything else.
China, despite any resources, has remained a copier country.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lech from Android.

It seems to me that Armata can be introduced into a separate new class of tanks ... unmanned tanks ... which prevents the use of Armata remotely with such devices without risking the crew.

You didn't discover America (be it wrong ), repeating the theses that the developers of the T-14 initially declared as promising areas for the development of the platform.

[Passing]

The rudimentary level of AI interferes with what we have, what is in the world. The point is that the AI ​​recognizes the typical silhouette of armored vehicles in order to fight unmanned.
, you need to recognize the entire battlefield, starting from recognizing friend or foe, even if the technique of the sides is the same, ending with recognizing the properties of objects on the ground, such as you can drive through this flimsy barn, but this house will protect you from shelling.

[Kart]

Quote: Passing by

you need to recognize the entire battlefield, starting from the recognition of friend or foe, even if the technique of the sides is the same

If it is the same, even EI will not understand.
Well, of course, the issue here is not in the power of AI, but in the ability to replace a living person, though not always.

[Ka-52]

The rudimentary level of AI interferes with what we have, what is in the world. The point is that the AI ​​recognizes the typical silhouette of armored vehicles in order to fight unmanned.

you absolutely do not understand what artificial intelligence is. What you are writing about has existed for 30 years in the form of an automatic image identification system. It can be in the form of a picture, a radar image, or a thermal contrast. Such systems are on the aircraft of the last and penultimate generation. And also many missile guidance systems in AGSN have this function.
And "Artificial Intelligence" is a system that makes nonlinear decisions in an operational-tactical situation. In simple words, this system, according to the task at hand, can transfer itself in a given theater of operations (terrain, distance, opposition, weather, climatic and man-made conditions, etc.) to the place of the task, identify the target and independently (or at the command of the operator in the presence of restraints) destroy her.

[Kart]

Quote: Ka-52

And "Artificial Intelligence" is a system that makes non-linear decisions in an operational-tactical situation.

That's it.
And by the way, they are also created. Of course, there is a question of their perfection. But. in some cases, this thing works more vigorously and more accurately than a living person.

[Passing]

Quote: Ka-52

you absolutely do not understand what artificial intelligence is ...

Of course, I am a 100% amateur who picked up the tops, but I, unlike you, at least picked up from serious articles about AI, and not from fantasy Internet murzilki and marketing ramblings of press releases.

for about 30 years it has existed in the form of an automatic image identification system. It can be in the form of a picture, a radar image, or a thermal contrast. Such systems are on the aircraft of the last and penultimate generation. And also many missile guidance systems in AGSN have this function.

Everything you have listed here is not AI. Even within the framework of old ideas about AI. This is a frail imitation of the so-called. "expert systems". Yes, within the framework of this relict concept of expert systems, several full-fledged AIs were created (within those views), for example, the IBM Deep Blue project. Full-fledged AI was not used in weapon systems. For a simple reason - the concept of expert systems implies an extremely time-consuming manual system building. Moreover, roughly speaking, the complication of the problem being solved requires an exponential increase in the complexity of "programming" and processing power. Therefore, the developers of weapons systems, having rested on the threshold for the weight of the product, used the most primitive expert systems that barely cope with the capture and tracking of the target only if there was a contrast between the target and the background, as in Javellin, or in a tank sight.
As for the modern concept of AI, it is based on neural networks, and at the same time does not require super-complicated algorithms tending to infinity, manual setting of weight coefficients, etc., it means "self-learning". (self-learning in brackets because this is not the self-learning that you imagine) Therefore, potentially, such an AI can fit into the limited weight of weapon systems.
Does Armat have AI with neural networks? I’m sure not. Firstly, they directly write that there are "elements of AI", that is, most likely the good old expert system, and secondly, on the knee, it is impossible to create such a thing in a couple of years, a task for decades to come. Therefore, there must be a traceable history of the creation of such an AI in the form of R&D, victorious press releases and other things, but this is not.

[Ka-52]

I'm of course a 100% dilettante picking up the tops,

here, after the word "tops", instead of a comma, you had to put a full stop and not write anything else. Smarter would be

Everything you have listed here is not AI.

naturally this is not AI. I clearly wrote that this is just an algorithm hardwired into the target identification system. The simplest algorithm comparing the target image received from the optical system (radar, OLS, etc.) with the images stored in the database. Have you forgotten how to read?

As for the modern concept of AI,

no need to pour the whole bucket on me "knowledge" extracts from pseudoscientific Internet articles. In fact, I did not write about the basic principle of the formation of AI, but only about its tasks. Which are not limited to a primitive identification of the target (s). Next time, think more carefully about what you read.

[Passing]

Quote: Ka-52

you absolutely do not understand what artificial intelligence is.

Quote: Ka-52

here, after the word "tops", instead of a comma, you had to put a full stop and not write anything else.

I see you adore showing people their place at your feet, familiar type, zero competence, and ambition for ten.

Quote: Ka-52

The simplest algorithm comparing the target image received from the optical system (radar, OLS, etc.) with the images stored in the database.

What, excuse me, is the simplest algorithm? Oh, yes, you are an "expert", it is immediately noticeable.

Quote: Ka-52

no need to pour out all the bucket of "knowledge" of pseudoscientific Internet articles on me.

I understand there were too many letters in a couple of paragraphs. Forgive me generously, I just wanted to open your eyes with a couple of lines of what AI really is, now I understand that this is not initially interesting to you.

Quote: Ka-52

In fact, I did not write about the basic principle of the formation of AI, but only about its tasks.

This is this?

Quote: Ka-52

And "Artificial Intelligence" is a system that makes non-linear decisions in an operational-tactical situation. In simple words, this system, according to the task at hand, can transfer itself in a given theater of operations (terrain, distance, opposition, weather, climatic and man-made conditions, etc.) to the place of the task, identify the target and independently (or at the command of the operator in the presence of limiters) destroy her.

So I already specifically wrote to you that this, in relation to ground technology, internet fantasies, dream-like internet experts, this does not correspond to the current level of AI perfection. There are still fifty years to go before that, and this is an optimistic estimate.

[Ka-52]

Forgive me generously, I just wanted to open your eyes with a couple of lines of what AI really is, now I understand that this is not initially interesting to you.

only your free presentation is not interesting. Moreover, as I indicated, the topic of discussion was not the AI ​​principle itself, but its goals and objectives.

[riwas]

Well, yes, the face recognition system in a crowd works according to this principle. Here in this article http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren/tank_21.htm for August 1999, the same was proposed that was implemented in "Armata" in terms of AI. The main gain is the speed of hitting the target before the enemy does it.

Imagine a scene from the Wild West. Two cowboys stand in front of each other. Who will draw and point the weapon faster? Who will be more accurate? Machine or man?

[lucul]

The rudimentary level of AI interferes with what we have, what is in the world.
The point is that the AI ​​recognizes the typical silhouette of armored vehicles in order to fight unmanned.

Only this one

The elements of artificial intelligence allow the on-board computing facilities of the machine to independently search for targets against the background of a complex underlying surface, recognize them, including by the part of the object visible from behind the shelter, carry out priority selection and take for escort

Will save the life of the crew more than once)))

[venik]

Quote: Lech from Android.

It seems to me that Armata can be introduced into a separate new class of tanks ... unmanned tanks ... which prevents the use of Armata remotely with such devices without risking the crew.

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So it seems like such experiments have already been carried out (I just don't know: at the stand or in the field?) ......

[Starover_Z]

The fire control system of the T-14 "Armata" tank with elements of artificial intelligence is capable of independently finding, recognizing and tracking targets on the battlefield.

I remembered the cartoon "Polygon". It was released in 1977, almost 45 years ago! Just about a tank with AI! Science fiction becomes reality.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Lech from Android.

what prevents using Armata remotely with such devices without risking the crew.

... and such a moment. The enemy is not, and as practice has shown in the 30s of the 20th century, the first thing will be to look for and destroy the command post. Where will you land the remote crew? Into the jeep? Into the truck? This is before the first OF 122 mm. The most protected is the tank. There? Will there be a control tank and a slave tank? Will two crews fit in your tank? Moreover, control and communication equipment?

[syndicalist]

It is unlikely that unmanned tanks will ever appear in this form factor. Too easy target for a UAV.

[Deniska999]

Serial production has been postponed for 8 years now.

[prior]

Why release, then immediately upgrade.
It is better not to release it right away, but to modernize, modernize, modernize ...
And every time to talk about "no one in the world"

[carstorm 11]

Better like states with a pingwig. Release and fix problems for 10 years. Eliminate. Eliminate ... or as with 64 in GSVG. How they began to fail at the very first major exercises that the command's hair stood on end.

[AlexG83]

Quote: Deniska999

Serial production has been postponed for 8 years now.

This is the tank of tomorrow, it's good that it is being perfected, there is time for that. Let's just say it's not the same tank that was first shown at the parade. And based on the news, what is it worth only the development of any software for it.

[lucul]

This is the tank of tomorrow, it is good that it is being perfected, there is time for that.

No-no-no now our Israeli "partners" will come and say that Russia has lagged behind the West in tank building forever.))))

[syndicalist]

Quote: AlexG83

This is the tank of tomorrow

Any, the most perfect tank, in any country is a weapon of yesterday. The massive use of UAVs has already rendered them useless. And this trend will undoubtedly continue.

[Vladimir_2U]

A real cruiser! There is a little bit of air defense, and there is missile defense, which is a little funny.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Excellent!
But ... And where are these "armats"? ...

[Stepan S]

But there is something to talk about. For so many years, interest has been warmed up and the intrigue remains. And so I would have acted in the troops and would have forgotten long ago.

[mark1]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And where are these "armats"? ...

Everything will be, my friend ...
"The plane will fly, the machine gun will fire,
Mighty tanks rumble
And the battleships will go, and the infantry will go,
And the dashing cars will rush "

[Castro Ruiz]

I konnica, sabelniy hurricane.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

The issue of price.
It is possible to make a complex and expensive system.
Making it cheap and efficient is more difficult. The question is in its stable work in conditions close to combat.

It was the same with astronautics, Boris Chertok (Rockets and people):

If in 1959 some futurologist predicted that the first soft landing on the Moon, having spent 12 four-stage launch vehicles, we would carry out only in 1966, we would transmit to Earth fragmentary telemetric information from the apparatus that penetrated the atmosphere of Venus, only in 1967 and deliver the Soviet Union pennant to Mars in 1971, we would consider it an incompetent pessimist or a spiteful critic.

[A1845]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

It is possible to make a complex and expensive system.
Making it cheap and effective is a more difficult task

which is typical - you have not ranked the "complex" system in the category of "effective". Indeed, there are many examples when a more complex system lost in efficiency.
And the story of "Luna-9", which is from the 12th time, yes ..

[Kart]

Quote: A1845

And the story of "Luna-9", which is from the 12th time, yes ..

Note, no one said a word about "it would be better if it was given to pensioners."

[Ka-52]

You haven't categorized a "complex" system as an "efficient" one. Indeed, there are plenty of examples when a more complex system lost in efficiency.

You will first introduce the definition of efficiency, because in many cases simple systems could not, in principle, perform the task under the current conditions.

[A1845]

Quote: Ka-52

you will first introduce the definition of efficiency.

Efficiency - (lat. Efficientia) the achievement of any specific results with the lowest possible costs

[tralflot1832]

You have noticed that Rosatom has been present everywhere lately. They are making ammunition for the Armata, they have made material for the MS 21 wing, and the chief for the Northern Sea Route will be appointed. Kirienko has done a good job.

[Skay]

Have you noticed Rosatom has been present everywhere lately

Everything is logical. All technical progress is based on the creation of new materials, the study of their properties, the creation of technologies for their processing. and this is the fiefdom of Rosatom.

[Old tanker]

Rosatom is currently the most efficient and advanced corporation in Russia. So it comes as no surprise. And Kiriyenko did a lot for this.
The main thing is not to let Serdyukov go there.

[tralflot1832]

This one seems to be in charge of helicopters.

[Old tanker]

There he has already shit and is now destroying aviation design bureaus in the entire United Aircraft Corporation.

[Ros 56]

And if we also install a friend-or-foe system on our armored vehicles, then the T-14 will fire itself.

[mark1]

And if you attach a manipulator to him, then he will refuel at the gas station. What's there to refuel - he will pick the mushrooms (or clear the field)!

[Kart]

There are others to clear mine myself. Uranus for example.

[Hey]

Just wondering. In this system, is there a "friend or foe" recognition?

[Kart]

In any such system, there is a considerable risk of being hacked and then imitated by the enemy.
Much more effective is the "kill everything that you see in the designated sector" system.

[Azimuth]

Quote: tralflot1832

You have noticed that Rosatom has been present everywhere lately. They are making ammunition for the Armata, they have made material for the MS 21 wing, and the chief for the Northern Sea Route will be appointed. Kirienko has done a good job.

Especially distinguished himself in the election campaign.
Well, if no kidding. The cores of the shells are all the same material of nuclear scientists, from mining to production, from here to bank for them.

[Professor]

According to a news agency source, the T-14 "Armata" tank for the first time in the history of tank building has shown the ability to independently find targets. In this case, the command to open fire is still accepted by a person. On modern models of foreign tanks, there is only a target tracking machine, and finding and choosing a target remains with the crew.

Let's not let the facts fool us. For the first time in history in the world so for the first time in history.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/analysis_top_15_most_modern_main_battle_tanks_mbts_in_the_world.html

[tralflot1832]

And all this electronics will withstand the balvanka, even without breaking through. Is there a manual mode?

[Konnick]

Enough fragments from a projectile intercepted by KAZ, especially a high-explosive fragmentation and the end of external electronic devices located in the superstructure around the gun. A protective casing, such as a tower, not only lacks projectile resistance, but also bullet resistance. There, the splinter armor is attached to pins with cotter pins. See the photo. Therefore, it is not accepted into service. If you make real armor, then the weight and dimensions will increase. Problem...

[Tuzik]

this is not an assault sau of the second world, now all the equipment is disposable, if the kaz has worked, it is already necessary to reel while alive, now another war, the first one discovered, the first one fired, everything else is not given, so the times of the square with the towers in scars has passed.

[Konnick]

Chief designer of Armata said-

- Ensuring high survivability of the vehicle on the battlefield is a very important task. We need a machine that will provide a long stay on the battlefield. Why do we need "matchboxes" that are pierced by 30-mm ammunition? For an impressive total combat potential? In fact, these thousands of weakly protected machines can be written off as irrecoverable losses after the first operations. It seems to me that it is better to make more tenacious machines, capable of being in combat formation for a longer time and performing combat missions. "Armata" just belongs to that category of combat vehicles, which maximally implement the principle of ensuring high survivability - the vehicle itself and the crew.

[Konnick]

I will add a description of the armor installed on pins with cotter pins:

Armor of the turret, hull and compartments.
The last barrier for an incoming projectile is armor. Introduced on the T-14 tank latest technological innovations, which can significantly increase its efficiency. The armor of the tank turret is made in the form of two layers - the main armor and the anti-splinter casing. Many instruments and sensors are located in the interlayer space... On the outside there is a casing that protects against shrapnel, bullet and high-explosive damage. At the same time, it mutes the radar signal, which reduces the effectiveness of radar and homing ATGMs. An additional function of the casing is the role of the "Faraday Cage", which is designed to protect the devices from the electromagnetic field. This element has a collapsible design for easy access to dashboards.

Source: https://voinskayachast.net/vooruzhenie/tanki/tank-t-14-armata-obzor-i-texnicheskie-xarakteristiki © VoinskayaChast.net

[Konnick]

Almost all armed conflicts in recent years have shown the increased role of sniper fire as a way to combat armored vehicles. Famous sniper rifle
Dragunov SVD with a sniper cartridge allows one bullet to hit the following
goals (for the best shooters, prone):
head - 400 meters;
• head figure - 500 meters;
• waist figure and running figure - 800 meters
.Armored vehicle designers around the world strive to optimize all
components of the combat effectiveness of machines, but it was the Soviet tank school that was characterized by a reasonable minimization of the heads of sights and observation devices. Development of optical-electronic sights of modern
foreign tanks follows a slightly different path - extremely high range values
vision is provided by the exorbitant growth of entrance windows and, as a result, head
parts of sights. This gave rise to contradictions between the directions of improving tank optics and the general trends in the development of modern sniper weapons and the skill of the snipers themselves. Just look at the dimensions of the optical heads
sights, for example, the modern Leclerc tank, and compare them with the above parameters of shooting for bullet dispersion or accuracy.

The fly was left not cut ...

[Konnick]

How to get out? Broken observation devices - loss of visibility by the crew of the environment, inability to orient and conduct aimed fire. There have been cases
when the mechanics, in order to get the cars out of the combat zone, had to lean out under the bullets, since the broken observation devices made it impossible to control the road. There have been such cases in Chechnya. On the HF it was possible to replace the periscopic devices without getting out.

[tralflot1832]

So this is a problem for all tanks, they installed sensors, video cameras outside, and then the commander will shoot at the front sight on the barrel, leaning out of the hatch.

[Kart]

"Stronghold"?
That's right, that's right. Only not on the fly on the table, but from the bow.

[Tuzik]

Still, it would be chic to make a transparent cabin, as on the merkav!

[tralflot1832]

Yes, then you will not naposhsya diapers, see how the ATU flies at you or a shot with RPG.

[Zaurbek]

In Israel, they showed tank concepts with 2 crew members ...

[123456789]

Quote: Carte

Probably these Russians somewhere stole the AI, and attached it with blue duct tape to the inside of the tank.

Well, how where? Having stolen the blueprints of the Oplot tank

[yfast]

So, since there are signatures of our equipment, is the T-14 ready to fight Russian armored vehicles? Who are we going to sell to?

[Dkuznecov]

AI is super.
It's a pity the site does not have a section "relevant articles".
Where would we consider all the options for blinding the tank,
about pouring silverware to a volley of large-scale
rifles.