Export prospects SPTP 2S25M Sprut-SDM1

At the current military-technical exhibition IDEX-2021 in the UAE, the Russian industry again demonstrates a lot of modern developments of different classes. This year, materials on the 2S25M Sprut-SDM1 self-propelled anti-tank gun were presented at the foreign site. This development could attract the attention of foreign armies and soon become the subject of new export contracts.

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A promising domestic armored vehicle is presented at the exhibition by the High-Precision Complexes holding from the Rostec State Corporation. Unfortunately for the visitors of the exhibition, it was not possible to deliver a full-fledged SPTP "Sprut-SDM1" to Abu Dhabi. Only a model of this sample and other promotional materials are displayed in the exhibition pavilion.

The developers of the combat vehicle note that the 2S25M is the only model in the world of a "modern light tank". This vehicle combines high characteristics of security, firepower and maneuverability. In addition, it has a favorable price and may be of interest to foreign customers.

The presented model of the self-propelled "Sprut-SDM1" attracts the attention of the exhibition visitors, incl. military from third countries. It is possible that such interest will develop, and in the near future there will be contracts for the supply of such equipment. The first news talks on future agreements may appear in the coming months.

Sample features

The product 2S25M Sprut-SDM1 is a light self-propelled anti-tank gun (also classified as a “light tank”) capable of striking enemy armored objects or fortifications. It is intended to support infantry or landing troops, incl. with parachute landing on the battlefield. "Sprut-SDM1" was developed on the basis of the previous SPTP 2S25 and differs in a number of key units.

In the 2S25M project, a modern chassis was used, built on the basis of the well-mastered BMP-3 and BMD-4M units, which ensures high unification with other military equipment. The aluminum body provides all-aspect bulletproof protection. The armament is installed in a fully revolving turret with a similar level of protection.

Main weapon "Spruta-SDM1" is a 125-mm 2A75-1 smooth-bore gun-launcher with an automatic loader, capable of using the entire range of domestic tank rounds, including guided missiles. Provides for the installation of two machine guns, coaxial and anti-aircraft. A modern fire control system is used, providing all-weather and all-day use of weapons. Such a complex of weapons allows you to fight protected and "soft" targets at ranges of up to 5 km.

The combat weight of the SPTP 2S25M is 18 tons, which allows the vehicle to be transported by air and parachute landing. With a 500 hp diesel engine it is capable of speeds up to 70 km / h on land and up to 10 km / h on water. High cross-country ability is provided.

Cannon or tank

Armored vehicles of the Sprut-SD series are positioned by the developer and the army as self-propelled anti-tank guns. In our country and abroad, they are also considered as light tanks. This version of the classification has the right to life. Moreover, it - as more understandable to foreign customers - can and should be used in marketing. So, Rosoboronexport refers to the 2S25M as a light amphibious tank.

It should be recalled that in recent years, there has been a revival of the light tank concept. Different countries are developing light or medium-weight armored vehicles with the maximum achievable tactical and technical characteristics and the minimum price. It is believed that such tanks are of interest to different armies and have great commercial prospects.

The class of modern light tanks includes the Turkish-Indonesian Kaplan MT / Harimau, the Chinese "Type 15", new American developments of the Mobile Protected Firepower program, etc. In the framework of future tenders, all of them may become competitors of the Russian Sprut-SDM1. It is not known which armored vehicles will emerge victorious from such a competition. However, the Russian model has a number of advantages that give great chances of winning.

Self-propelled anti-tank advantages

The main advantages of the SPTP 2S25M over potential competitors are associated with a well-developed complex of weapons and the highest firepower. Foreign "light tanks" were created to combat outdated types of armored vehicles, while the Russian "Sprut-SDM1" should effectively engage modern MBTs. Such requirements affected the composition and characteristics of weapons.

In fact, "Sprut-SDM1" carries a modified complex of weapons of modern Russian MBT. Its basis is a 125-mm 2A75-1 gun with characteristics as close as possible to the "full-fledged" 2A46 tank gun. Also provides for complete unification of ammunition. The self-propelled control system is built on the basis of developments for the T-72B3, T-90M, etc.

Foreign light tanks generally receive less powerful weapons. The most commonly used 105 mm rifled systems, which severely limit the firepower and armor penetration characteristics. However, there are exceptions. So, one of the variants of the American MPF ​​tank is proposed to be equipped with a promising 120-mm gun with characteristics no worse than those of the modern M256.

"Sprut-SDM1" was created for the Russian airborne forces, which determined its mobility. The 18-ton vehicle can be transported by major military transport aircraft, incl. foreign production. The self-propelled gun can be dropped by landing and parachute methods. She is capable of fighting on land and on water. As far as we know, no potential competitor has all of these capabilities.

SPTP 2S25M for key units is unified with other modern armored vehicles. From the point of view of the Russian army, this simplifies and cheapens the production and operation of equipment. Foreign customers can count on at least a reduction in the cost of contracts. If the buyer already has armored vehicles of the BMP-3 type, then he will be able to save on operation.

International issues

The customer's decision can be influenced not only by the favorable combination of technical characteristics and price. There are other factors, incl. reputational nature. The armored vehicle must have a favorable image that attracts the customer's attention.

Currently "Sprut-SDM1" is undergoing state tests in the interests of the Russian army. Based on the results of these measures, it is expected to be put into service and start serial deliveries. The fact of entering service in the Russian army will surely attract the attention of foreign buyers and have a positive effect on their opinion.

In October last year, it became known that India had begun negotiations on the purchase of new SPTP 2S25M. This technique is seen as a modern light tank for reinforcing troops in mountainous areas. By the end of the year, a real contract for 20 or more armored vehicles could appear. The Indian contract should show interest from a major customer of foreign military equipment - and will become a kind of recommendation for third countries.

Pending orders

Self-propelled anti-tank gun or light tank 2S25M "Sprut-SDM1" is one of the few samples in a promising and promising niche. At the same time, it is the Russian armored vehicle that is actually the best in this class, showing the highest characteristics and flexibility of use.

The foreign military could already see the Sprut-SDM1 at Russian exhibitions. Now the materials for this project have been delivered to a foreign salon. Obviously, this will result in increased interest from foreign countries, and then real contracts. Which countries and in what quantities will buy such equipment - time will tell.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

How long can the same material be mercilessly exploited? Author, are you not ashamed? All spears have long thought about the "octopus" here. She was both praised and doubted. And we all pronounce this "halva, halva"!

[Flooding]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And we all pronounce this "halva, halva"!

more of such halva for landing

[The leader of the Redskins]

You promised a year ago that I was not on VO for you!)))

[Flooding]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

You promised a year ago that I was not on VO for you!)))

I don't remember, but maybe
especially if you were rude and unrestrained
in any case, "halva" I wish not you, but the Airborne Forces
So now I can't comment on your boot opuses?
that's what memory on the last name is
have to write a blacklist
thanks for work

PS
but maybe they have grown up and grown wiser in a year then?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Your statement was remembered because it was unique in its categoricality. We disagree with you over whether there is fascism in Ukraine.
PS But the statement about the mental abilities of the opponent does no honor to anyone.

[Flooding]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Your statement was remembered because it was unique in its categoricality. We disagree with you over whether there is fascism in Ukraine.

it became interesting myself.
remind please.
I think you confused me with someone.
I have a very definite opinion about fascism and about the culture of behavior for many years.
you must understand that without confirmation, such weighty accusations not only lose their weight, but also turn against the accuser.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Here is the saying, and here is the article ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Here is the saying, and here is the article

so I immediately wrote to you that this is possible

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

We disagree with you over whether there is fascism in Ukraine.
PS But the statement about the mental abilities of the opponent does no honor to anyone.

now do you understand what I asked to confirm?
not the fact that he refused to communicate with you
Unlike you, I don’t document such things and don’t remember.
And the fact that my communication on the forum went beyond.

[Flooding]

You surprise me.
For what purpose do you continue this disassembly in the comments to a completely different article?
Yesterday I answered you and jokingly thanked you for the reminder. It's enough. No, no, no. Do you want to pull all our correspondence here? So I'm not ashamed of my words. But why?

[The leader of the Redskins]

???!

Who did you write this to today? Asked to remind? !!
Or are you trying to make a petty squabbler out of me out of the blue?

[Flooding]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Who did you write this to today? Asked to remind? !!

Yes it was. indeed, you have complied with my request.
but since you managed to mention my impartial behavior, it probably makes sense to confirm your words.
and preferably in the context of correspondence.
since "A" has been pronounced, we will hear "B"
I myself can’t pick up a year-old correspondence from my phone.

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Or are you trying to make a petty squabbler out of me out of the blue?

in no case. neither small nor large.
it was just very unexpected for me
I can hardly remember who I quarreled with two weeks ago.

[Flooding]

and you know, I admit you are right again.
if you already wrote that you will not communicate, then be so kind as to take care not to forget.
so yes, you have to fix it. without it in any way.
therefore, after the showdown, you will again sink into oblivion for me.

[The leader of the Redskins]

As you wish. But I think there will be a complete picture if you go to my page, select my article and "go through" the comments. If this is so important to you. I remembered, I repeat, only because of the categorical nature. You are the only one. Although I do not know whether it makes you cold or not.

[Flooding]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I think it will be a complete picture if you go to my page, select my article and "go through" the comments. If this is so important to you. I remembered, I repeat, only because of categoricalness.

received
and yes, in my adherence to principles I can be extremely categorical

[Flooding]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

But I think there will be a complete picture if you go to my page, select my article and "go through" the comments.

so it's not about the comments.
and in the article itself for your authorship.
article is very controversial and caused a very heated debate.
Even now, having read it fluently, I am perplexed.
it is about fascism in Ukraine.
but what does the phrase have to do with it

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

But the statement about the mental abilities of the opponent does not honor anyone.

I still don't understand what or who you are talking about
perhaps about something written to another person. well, this has nothing to do with you.
Perhaps taken out of the context of the correspondence, this phrase seemed unacceptably rude to you?
well, read in the general context
well. you will have to start a black list.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Again, you are not attentive.

Now you think that a year ago I was not smart or young.
Apparently, you throw words too easily.
PS And finish already feeding my minusers with the opportunity to minus. Otherwise, they don't care - small talk or scientific debate. They sculpt indiscriminately.

[Flooding]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Now you think that a year ago I was not smart or young.
Apparently you throw words too easily

sorry. was inattentive.
to be honest, I didn't think at the time of writing that the joking tone would hurt you so much
wrote without a second thought

after rereading, I understand that the intonation is unpleasant
for which please accept my sincere apologies
familiar mood - they sometimes go sideways

[Thrifty]

Nazariy, the author has a plan, the column must be completed You can write a review of your military equipment yourself (you don't need a Hammer mortar, we know how he "likes" to self-destruct! ).

[The leader of the Redskins]

I have technicians - several "diagnostic" tanks, gifts from people who know my tank youth, and a box of bananas with aircraft models. In my mother's closet.
And to start from the idea of ​​the state in a hostile army only on negative examples is a vicious practice.

[credo]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

How long can the same material be mercilessly exploited? Author, are you not ashamed? All spears have long thought about the "octopus" here. She was both praised and doubted. And we all pronounce this "halva, halva"!

Have you yourself decided what you like more in this article?
As far as I understand, it was decided to export "Sprut", and if so, then as a real seller Russia should focus on the most positive and exclusive positions of this product.
That's the whole story.

[psiho117]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

How long can the same material be mercilessly exploited? Author, aren't you ashamed?

Yeah, I started reading, and I also experienced a strong sense of déjà vu - recently there was an article by the same author, on the same topic, with the same words, except that paragraphs were changed, and at the beginning of the material, a mention of the exhibition was added.

[Flooding]

Chinese light tank has a mass of more than 30 tons
well, as a result, more adequate booking
whatever one may say, but these two cars are not in the same niche
modern classification needs improvement

[YOUR]

Octopus is not a tank. The booking is bulletproof, not even splinterproof. Going on the attack is not his path. Taking into account the specifics of the actions of the Airborne Forces, the Sprut complies in all respects. Octopus is a means of strengthening airborne units. That's why the weight is. How to parachute a 30-ton colossus? No way.
For the ground forces there are other equipment and weapons. Tanks with the same gun, self-propelled guns with a larger caliber.
During the Second World War, light tanks showed their low efficiency. It is not for nothing that the USSR and Germany stopped their production and subsequently removed them from service.
Currently, the saturation of troops with anti-tank weapons is off scale, almost every soldier can have a disposable grenade launcher. Which may not take the main tank but for the light by the eyes.

[max702]

This pepelats was buried a long time ago and attempts to shove it into the troops resemble a flight attendant's digging .. It is not needed because there is no point in it .. As a disposable tank destroyer. as support for the infantry is also one-time extremely expensive and ineffective, the same "Vienna" in this hypostasis is an order of magnitude steeper. right away, if BT is called a tank, then it will be used like a tank (otherwise it cannot be), the fathers of the commanders and will send it to the slaughter in the forefront.

[carstorm 11]

What surprises you? All others by weight are 30+. In them only the name is easy. In fact, he is really the only one.

[ironic]

There, the security characteristics generally do not correspond to the word tank. Even a word easy.

[bayard]

T-64 at the dawn of its youth weighed 34 tons, so now it is also LIGHTWEIGHT.
Although the weapon had (and has) - as heavy.

[3danimal]

The armor of the frontal projections of the turret and hull is reinforced with steel plates and provides the crew with protection against 12,7 mm bullets in the ± 40 ° sector, as well as all-round protection against 7,62 mm bullets and artillery shell fragments

BMP-3 has better protection than an example.

[bayard]

But it swims.
And he jumps with a parachute.
And in one IL-76MD90A, up to three of these (in terms of carrying capacity) can be loaded.
If we consider that this is a replacement for the towed Rapier, then the Sprut is perhaps ... more interesting.

[3danimal]

BMP-3 does all the same: swims, jumps.

[bayard]

Good car . But when a larger caliber is needed to hit / destroy a target, it will not cope.
It is not instead.
This is for complement and enhancement.
Both her sub-caliber projectile and ATGM are more powerful. And a high-explosive projectile.
And almost on the same base.

[3danimal]

Only when a larger caliber is needed to hit / destroy a target, it will not cope.
It is not instead.

Sure, not a problem. But to make a second car on the BMP-3 platform, changing the turret.
Unification and reasonable booking. The ability to install remote sensing.

and ATGM - more powerful

But this can be easily solved by installing the 152mm Kornet launcher.

[3danimal]

That is, in fact, it is a light SPG with a tank gun. Without KAZ and DZ it is impossible to send to the front line.

[bayard]

These are fire support for the landing forces and a self-propelled anti-tank gun with light armor. It can cross water obstacles on the move, air transportable by medium-duty aircraft. This is the replacement for the Rapier, not the MBT. Anti-tank self-propelled gun, for fire support of the landing.
It would not hurt to have at least one company in each tank division - for forcing water obstacles on the spot, capturing and holding a bridgehead, fire support for the landing forces on the bridgeheads.
In the Ground Forces, it will successfully replace the PT-76.

[3danimal]

Anti-tank self-propelled gun, for fire support of the landing.

Before the first shelling from 14,5 KPVT or 12,7 M2 (sub-caliber cartridge M903). That is, even a Humvee with an M2 is fatal for her, not to mention Bradley or Puma.
I'm not talking about infantry with LAW or cumulative grenades for the M-203 ...
IMHO, it was necessary to do it on the basis of the BMP-3, since the protection corresponds to the "rear" self-propelled guns (which do not "butt" with motorized infantry equipped with armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles).

for forcing water barriers immediately, capturing and holding a bridgehead

If they cannot force it, there will be unacceptable losses.

In the Ground Forces, it will successfully replace the PT-76

Anachronism. BMP-3 surpasses these machines in everything.
It is necessary to strive to reduce the range of equipment so that there are no duplicating samples. (Our budget is "slightly" less than the Chinese one).

[bayard]

Quote: 3danimal

for forcing water barriers immediately, capturing and holding a bridgehead

If they cannot force it, there will be unacceptable losses.

Losses are inevitable in war, but we have all the BMPs and armored personnel carriers floating, precisely because our European (and not only) theater of operations is saturated with water barriers, therefore, with the development of the success of a breakthrough with destroyed bridges, these vehicles should be able to cross water barriers on the move, capturing bridgeheads and holding them up to the establishment of pontoon bridges and the crossing of MBT and other heavy equipment.
It is to strengthen the forces of such troops who have seized the bridgehead, and fire support is needed.
INSTEAD of the towed Rapier.
This is an anti-tank self-propelled gun. And the protection of the "Octopus" is much better than that of the "Rapier", which has no protection at all.
In comparison with the BMP-3, the high-explosive power of the projectile is 125 mm. and did not stand next to 100 mm. , this is important when suppressing firing points behind cover and for destroying buildings with firing points. The Octopus can dig in and fire from a disguised position, quickly changing position during the battle. It’s not on the hands and towing.
This is not an MBT in its own right.
It is a highly mobile, protected weapon.
And don't forget about air transportability. One Il-76 can take on board two "Octopus" with everything necessary for a battle - ammo, fuel and other equipment.
For MBT you need "Ruslan" or "Antey".
The transfer of MBT to Serbia on IL-76 is not an exception from a good life. For this, they were made as easy as possible and the side screens were removed, because they barely fit into the dimensions.
And "Octopus" even An-12 will pull.
Can land with a parachute (sometimes a very useful option) and floats.
And judging by NATO standards and the weight of the Chinese "light", they will soon be equal to our MBT in weight, but never equal in combat value.
We do not need "light" tanks weighing 30 - 37 tons.
We have MBT almost the same.
And when the decision was made about the PT-76 and amphibious infantry fighting vehicles by our marshals who had gone through the War, they knew very well what it was for.
If the "Sprut" is exported, the unit cost will decrease and it will be possible to safely purchase it for the Airborne Forces, MP and separate companies for tank and motorized rifle divisions.
In the end, for the purchase of them, you can use the money from the export duty of "Sprkts" sent abroad.

And if we compare the "Sprut" in terms of armor resistance with the BMP-3, then they will be amazed with equal success. But their fire value will be much higher.
But it is, of course, a tool for a special occasion.

[3danimal]

Losses are inevitable in war

Losses are stupid and unacceptable.
Octopuses really have to be used only from shelters.

In comparison with the BMP-3, the high-explosive power of the projectile is 125 mm. and did not stand next to 100 mm.

HE shell 125mm - 23kg, HE shell 100mm of the 2A70 cannon - 15-18kg.
Plus, this is a low-pressure gun, the walls of the projectile can be made thinner, increasing the proportion of explosives. And fire with a canopy.

The Octopus can dig in and fire from a camouflaged position, quickly changing position during combat

As mentioned above, its role will be reduced to entrenching.
Remind me what happened to such equipment in Karabakh ??

One Il-76 can take on board two "Octopus" with everything necessary for the battle - ammo, fuel and other equipment

2 BMP-3 will also take. Or 2 Octopus, but on the BMP-3 platform, which has some decent armor, in contrast to an all-terrain vehicle with bulletproof protection.

We do not need "light" tanks weighing 30 - 37 tons.

BMP-3 weighs 18 tons.

And if we compare the "Sprut" in terms of armor resistance with the BMP-3, then they will be amazed with equal success.

Seriously??
Again. Octopus:

The armor of the frontal projections of the turret and hull is reinforced with steel plates and provides the crew with protection against 12,7 mm bullets in the ± 40 ° sector, as well as all-round protection against 7,62 mm bullets and artillery shell fragments

BMP-3:

The frontal armor can withstand hits from the 6 mm ZUBR30 armor-piercing tracer from a distance of 200 meters. The roof and sides withstand a B-32 bullet with a caliber of 12,7 mm from a distance of 100-200 meters

And it IS POSSIBLE to put DZ on it, in contrast to the Octopus cardboard platform.
I repeat: I have nothing against using a tank gun. But the platform is useless, only for all-terrain vehicles and self-propelled guns firing from closed and protected (other equipment) positions.

[bayard]

Quote: 3danimal

I repeat: I have nothing against using a tank gun. But the platform is useless, only for all-terrain vehicles and self-propelled guns firing from closed and protected (other equipment) positions.

So initially "Sprut" was on the BMP-3 platform - in the first versions. It was only later that the Airborne Forces requested airborne landing and to better swim. He really got better at swimming. I think the booking should be optional for the customer. For the same Arabs and Indians, swimming is not at all necessary.

[Victor Tsenin]

Well, what is not true, except that the Chinese light VT is somehow comparable.

[Thrifty]

There are really a lot of people who want to buy, but everyone is afraid of US sanctions, so they will buy Chinese, cheaper and less reliable. And when a light tank appears in the USA, the Yankees will line up all the "partners" to buy their crafts, and whoever will not take "will find oil, or the lack of democracy in the American way"!

[Alien From]

The Antimonopoly Committee is in the throat of mattresses!) And the Octopus is really one with such performance characteristics and in such a weight. Foreigners will buy, I'm only FOR.

[Revival]

"There are really a lot of people who want to buy, but everyone is afraid of US sanctions, so they will buy Chinese, cheaper and less reliable."

Gone are the days ...

Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation buys Chinese cars

[Charik]

Probably Americans were banned from buying from Russia-Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

[Viktor Sergeev]

Didn't pass. Chinese tanks are actually much less reliable than Russian ones. Don't confuse cars and tanks, different level of workmanship and difficulty. The Chinese have something with a chassis, this is shown by the biathlon, and after all, they are bringing the best, specially prepared, and it is constantly pouring in, well, purely T34 of the beginning of the war.

[Victor Tsenin]

Octopus is good for everyone, but he needs partial dynamic and active protection, he needs blood from his nose. Yes, a lot, but without the above, the age is short in any modern operations.

[psiho117]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

dynamic and active defense, he needs blood from the nose

It will not work: it has a minimum bulletproof booking, the explosion of the remote control on the armor will disable it. And active protection will raise the price so much that no one wants to take it, because for that money it will be possible to buy a normal tank, and this is not a misunderstanding.

[max702]

Quote: psiho117

Will not work: he has minimal bulletproof armor, the explosion of the remote control on the armor will disable him.

The constructors look at you as ...

[psiho117]

Quote: max702

The designers look at you as ...

Uh-huh, I compared oud to a finger. The BMP-3 is generally well armored in the hull, holds up to 14,5mm BZT from 500m - and even then, it did not work to equip the tower with the DZ.
And "Sprut" is armored to the very minimum - it holds 7,62x54 armor-piercing from 500m.
It is banal that there will be a hole in the board if several segments of the remote sensing explode at the same time (and this happens quite often), the crew will at least be concussed or injured from a numb shock wave. Plus fragments of the hull (there is no lining).
In short, it will be worse than if the godfather. the jet just pierced through the car.

[max702]

Hmm, is the hull increased by one roller with the BMP-3? Even I have doubts about 7.62 .. Proof, please ...

[psiho117]

Quote: max702

Even I have doubts about 7.62 .. Proof, please ...

Octopus was created on the basis of BMD, BMD has bulletproof armor, forehead from 12,7mm, side from 7,62mm.
If you need proof, go to the website of the Research Institute of Steel, there are characteristics of the ABT-101 aluminum alloy, and its thickness on BMD-shkakh for each element. Count it.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Dynamic protection is useless (it will not protect against a tank, and an infantry fighting vehicle will not drive up to the Octopus), an active road and the same is not very useful, since the Octopus will not perform the tasks of the tank, rather it is shooting from an ambush. AZ is useless against sub-caliber shells (well, except maybe Afghanite), and Octopus can only send abnormal ones to the infantry.

[silverwolf88]

orders of course will be ... BUT it is not necessary to position the Octopus as a "light tank" ... to buy it exactly as a self-propelled anti-tank gun 2S25M "Sprut-SDM1" and nothing more ... floating and the possibility of landing ...

[hagen]

Based on the results of these measures, it is expected to be put into service and start serial deliveries. The fact of entering service in the Russian army will definitely attract attention

Interestingly, in the Russian army, which units will be equipped with them, tank or artillery?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Hagen

and in the Russian army which units will be equipped with them

They are for the Airborne Forces.

[hagen]

Quote: Dart2027

They are for the Airborne Forces.

Enchanting !!! In the Airborne Forces, there are no differences between tank or line airborne units from artillery units? You OSHS division / brigade of the Airborne Forces look. After all, interestingly, there are command personnel with various special tactical and firepower training.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Hagen

In the Airborne Forces, there are no differences between tank or line airborne units from artillery units?

In fact, tank units have only recently been created there, and there are very few of them (3 battalions) and they are equipped with tanks.

[rocket757]

At the current military-technical exhibition IDEX-2021 in the UAE, the Russian industry again demonstrates a lot of modern developments of different classes.

In, in, just there, in the "sandy oceans" it was just not enough !!!
Although ........

[psiho117]

Quote: rocket757

Although ...

It's bad that they abandoned the option on a wheeled chassis - that's what it would definitely arouse interest among the Saudis.

[rocket757]

Design work is a cost, and the prospects are vague, if there is no such experience, it could not work out ah.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

"Octopus" is relevant for Russia with its size and the need to quickly transfer forces from one end of the country to the other. And this is more a need than some promising weapon.

We didn’t do a lot of them for ourselves.

And for other countries, either conventional tanks or wheeled tanks based on armored personnel carriers are needed to enhance the power of motorized rifle units, and tanks can be fought with ATGMs.

[whitebeard]

This Octopus is a strange car. It seems to be intended to fight the enemy's MBT, but at long distances it can only do this with ATGMs, while still remaining potentially vulnerable to defeat from the enemy's main MBT weapon, due to its weak armor. Those. even at a long distance, he will have to act from an ambush. In mountainous areas, this may be difficult due to restrictions on maneuverability and aiming range, and on the close range he will not be a tenant, even acting from an ambush - he will no longer be able to retreat and change his position.
Those. this self-propelled gun requires very sophisticated tactics and, accordingly, a fairly skilled crew, which, at the same time, does not have good protection. So, perhaps, he does not need such a weapon, a good launcher of ATGMs with auto-loading and, for example, a 57-mm twin cannon for defense in close combat with light vehicles that have broken through, for which it is a pity to waste ATGMs or large shells, will be enough. After all, anyway, in most cases, the Octopus will have to work at a great distance.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

A penny spotter drone + a few penny mortars or a couple of Grads in ambush = the end of the Octopus. Donbass showed that tanks are rarely hit by tanks, but mortar / rocket fire - once or twice. And even cardboard tanks - and even more so.

[psiho117]

Quote: whitebeard

This Octopus is a strange car. It seems to be intended to fight the enemy MBT, but ...

You are now giving it functions that it was not designed for.
It's just a self-propelled gun, that's all.
Not a tank destroyer, not a light tank, but a banal 125mm tank gun on a light chassis.
And its functions are to provide fire support to the airborne forces, and not at all a combined arms battle, or the storming of cities and fortified areas.

[Azimuth]

"Octopus" is a self-propelled gun and nothing more. Juggling terms and peremptory statements from sofa experts will not help here.

For example, the Italian self-propelled guns Palmaria also had a stern MTO location, and in general it was built on the chassis of a medium tank, a full-revolving turret with a 155mm gun, but from this it was not considered a medium tank.

"Sprut" does not have such a great export potential, these are mainly the countries that have purchased BMP-3 from us. They may well purchase for their motorized infantry units or marines as a support weapon. For other market participants, it is of little interest, especially for countries for which its amphibious capabilities are not important.

[Pavel57]

And what ammunition load does the Octopus have?

[psiho117]

Google, and you will find.

[Jacket in stock]

To advance as a tank, the Octopus must at least optionally have the option of enhancing protection. Even if it loses its buoyancy and / or airborne capabilities, not everyone needs these capabilities. For example, as a mountain tank, this is definitely superfluous. But there is no unnecessary protection.

[EvilLion]

I love it when "is considered to have commercial potential." Like video cards from ATI, for which I also danced, and for some reason the world plays mostly on GeForce.

[Castro Ruiz]

Sprut-SDM1 nemozhet borotsa s OBT iz za slabogo, skazal bi pochti nikakogo bronirovania. A bronirovania nemozhet bit na legkom i plavayushchem tanke.
Eto "contra dikcio in adjekto".
On mozhet borotsta tolko s takimi zhe legkimi tankami.

[EvilLion]

To fight tanks, you need to have a weapon capable of hitting them, the Octopus has one, and the presence of armor is secondary.

[Pavel57]

Octopus will quite find its niche. Nobody talks about the vulnerability of wheeled tanks, and there are enough of them on the market too.

[moreman78]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

How long can the same material be mercilessly exploited? Author, are you not ashamed? All spears have long thought about the "octopus" here. She was both praised and doubted. And we all pronounce this "halva, halva"!

Apparently, they are looking for potential customers through VO! Nobody wants to go to the garden, to the dacha?

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

Who needs it besides the landing! And only Russia can drop such equipment by parachute! Other countries are only light weight! And we also have a crew inside!

[Petroff]

Can still swim.
It is possible to release by swimming from the large landing ship.

[landromat]

In the Second World War, the first Shermans did not order their PTRD-41 with the BS-41 cartridge during tests, they sewed into the sides from 100 meters. In short, the dream of calculations of Browning m2 and barrets, not to mention the numerous ZUshki. And here the armor is from 7,62 and it's not a fact that it will save you from an armor-piercing rifle bullet. Although for local "blitzkriegs" ala the capture of Kiev may come in handy. But the tower will be thrown sooo far.

[max702]

Well, you are wrong, the BMP-3 base that is used in the Octopus protects from 12.7mm in a circle, and the forehead from 30mm .. Which, in principle, today is categorically unsatisfactory because the expensive MSA no less expensive weapon and ammunition is destroyed by absolutely any anti-tank equipment on the modern battlefield ..

[psiho117]

Quote: landromat

And here the armor is from 7,62 and it's not a fact that it will save you from an armor-piercing rifle bullet

holds armor-piercing 7,62x54 from 500m

[Usher]

I don’t understand why they make aluminum armor? With the same mass as steel, the resistance is lower. Not repairable

[psiho117]

Quote: Usher

With the same mass as steel

What is this nonsense? The specific gravity of aluminum is 2,69 grams per cubic centimeter, and that of steel is 7,9.
Learn physics.

[Usher]

Quote: psiho117

Quote: Usher

With the same mass as steel

What is this nonsense? The specific gravity of aluminum is 2,69 grams per cubic centimeter, and that of steel is 7,9.
Learn physics.

With the same mass !!!! Delirium in your head !!! If you don't understand, then why expensive aluminum, let's say 10mm thick, when you can use armor steel 4mm thick. The weight is the same, but the benefits are greater. Some units of percent in durability can be omitted. By leveling the cost and repairs.

[psiho117]

I didn’t understand at all, where did you get the idea that the mass would be equal.
Aluminum and titanium alloys are used precisely because of the equal security armored vehicles, the mass is 2,5 times less, and with the same mass - the armor protection will be just 2,5 times higher.
Learn math

[Usher]

Quote: psiho117

I didn’t understand at all, where did you get the idea that the mass would be equal.
Aluminum and titanium alloys are used precisely because of the equal security armored vehicles, the mass is 2,5 times less, and with the same mass - the armor protection will be just 2,5 times higher.
Learn math

How can the security be higher? Aluminum is a softer material. If there are such advantages, why don't they make MBT from ABT? Directly as much as 2,5 times the armor resistance? Sounds very attractive.

[psiho117]

Quote: Usher

How can security be higher? Aluminum is softer material

But at the same time - and more viscous.
In general - alloys, additives. Uranium is also initially soft, but come on, BOPS do ...

... Just 2,5 times more armor resistance?

No, as the steel / aluminum puff is used.
With the same level of armor protection, the weight gain is 40% - this is the official information of the Research Institute of Steel on the aluminum alloy ABT-101.

If there are such advantages, why don't they make MBT from

Of course they won't do it entirely, aluminum is too flammable.
But in the elements of combined and mounted armor - they are used.
But the prospects for titanium, albeit expensive.

[Usher]

Thanks for the clear answer. I knew about it, but superficially.

[Sancho_SP]

Curiously, are there so many places on the planet where you can drag the octopus, but not the T-62/72/90?

For parachute delivery - no questions, this is a separate and specific topic.

[DDT]

Does that mean that bullet protection is now called a tank ?! oh how kamarady ...

[psiho117]

Mark I approves

[Baron pardus]

Octopus is an extremely unsuccessful export vehicle. Why? Yes, because it is stupidly NICHE. This pepelats is needed ONLY in the Airborne Forces or where amphibiousness is needed. I mean, in BV or Africa, he is NOT NEEDED. No one has any Airborne Forces, there are not many rivers there either. From the word GENERAL. In Mongolia / Kazakhstan too. Moreover, his armor is weaker than that of Pz3E. And we have, for a second, the 21st century. Let's say someone needs a light vehicle with a powerful cannon. Immediately the question is, why is the Octopus better than the Centaur? And what is the octopus better than AMX10RC? The AMX10RC can be fitted with a 120mm cannon, at the request of the customer. I just do not see who will need this armored shed EXCEPT for the Airborne Forces. By the way, the use of this armored carriage in the Airborne Forces is also dubious. Somehow 82ya can do without light tanks. ATGMs. As Sheridan was decommissioned, nothing is used. So far, no one has complained.
I'm not saying SPRUT is a bad car. I say that this armored ship is, firstly, highly specialized, and secondly, it is absolutely not armored (because of its specialization). her heavy machine gun will turn into a sieve. Buying it, if not for the Airborne Forces, makes no sense at all. What can SPRUT do that Centauro or AMX10RC cannot do? I cite these armored vehicles as an example. AMX10RC can even float. And airborne tanks are a dubious advantage. An armored car with an ATGM is both lighter and cheaper. And in general, if you need something small, lightly armored and wildly biting, then it has already been invented (as well as a bicycle), please love and favor, German caterpillar wedge Werek (otherwise it is difficult to call a wedge). Weighs, depending on the modification, up to 5 tons. Arms with whatever you want, from a 20mm cannon, to an ATGM to an air defense missile system, to a 120mm mortar. Simply, I repeat, there are armored vehicles of a much wider profile on the market. For the landing, the ferret is better, it weighs less. Not for landing, Centaur or AMX10RC are better, they are better armored and CHEAPER. (Ferret, by the way, is also cheaper, and less). In general, as all the warriors of the 20th century have shown, amphibious tanks are NOT needed AT ALL. The Wehrmacht crossed the rivers without them. However, the Americans, the British, and the Israelis also somehow forced all the rivers without them. For the Airborne Forces, a 125mm cannon is certainly good, but when the carrier of such a cannon can be taken out of a large-caliber machine gun or rifle, or simply, banally from a grenade launcher (armor penetration of the M433 50 + mm grenade), then it’s not that much. Whether the armor of the SPRUT will withstand the detonation of its own active protection elements is also an interesting question, the EMNIP BMP-1 could not withstand.
A light armored vehicle must withstand the fire of modern or future armored vehicles. And now we have on every BMP / armored personnel carrier not 12.7, but, for a second, from 25 to 40 mm guns. Now, it seems, even 50mm have been made.

[SKVichyakow]

India needs 300 units of light armored vehicles.