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Plus or minus the chronicles of "Gazprom"

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Not a word after?



Our monthly chronicles on the construction of Nord Stream 2 are scheduled for the first days of March. But it is impossible to remain silent about the latest events. As well as the conflicting comments about them.

In April, at the latest - at the beginning of May 2021, the construction of the gas pipeline will be completed. Its commissioning, most likely, will not be very prompt. Due to organizational problems, but this is no longer so important - gas pipes do not age quickly.

But even when the very first of billions of cubic meters of blue fuel passes through them, the hype will not subside. All the forces of the world mass media will be thrown into the fact that the Russian "Gazprom" will pay for the deed.

And best of all - by launching some other pipeline project in which there will be no talk of bypassing Ukraine and Poland. It will obviously not be enough for Gazprom's opponents to establish an elementary order with the old pipes.


But even now, almost everything possible is being done so that even at the finish line of SP-2 Gazprom continues to bear exorbitant expenses. However, if this was the incentive to admit broad masses of unqualified investors to the capital of the monopoly, maybe it is for the better?

Read the entire list, please


After the sanctions against the Russian pipelayer Fortuna came into force on February 22, 18 European companies related to Nord Stream 2 announced their withdrawal from the project.

The majority on this list are insurance firms headquartered in the UK. In addition to them, the Swiss Zurich Insurance Group, the French Axa Group and the German concerns Bilfinger SE and Munich Re Syndicate also leave the race.

In parallel with this, one of its five direct participants, the German company Wintershall Dea, announced the completion of financing the project. Until the full fulfillment of its obligations to participate in the SP-2 project, there was not much left for it - 220 million euros out of the planned 950.

Plus or minus the chronicles of "Gazprom"

The missing funds are likely to be invested by Gazprom. But whether American sanctions will be sufficient justification for Wintertshall Dea in case of counterclaims from the Russian side is a big question.

But both events only confirm our estimates. Gazprom will not be left alone. But the degree of its influence, not on Europe, but on the SP-2 project itself, becomes, if I may say so, self-sufficient.

Geopolitics and simple economics


Washington has already started talking about the fact that Nord Stream 2 cannot be viewed as an obstacle to the supply of American LNG. But there they immediately brought to the fore not the economy, but geopolitics. That could not be ignored by the Russian Foreign Ministry.

It was not by chance that Deputy Minister Maria Zakharova quoted the official representative of the American State Department, who directly stated about

"Washington's concern about the possible influence of Russia on Europe thanks to SP-2."

The reasons for Washington's rejection of the project are geopolitics and the growing influence of Russia.

Meanwhile, practical Europeans, especially Germans, seem to care only about profit. They will not receive such cheap gas as Russian for a very long time.

How can one disagree with the popular publicist Anatoly Wasserman, who is convinced that to stop the construction of "SP-2", German policy

"Must go crazy."

Maria Zakharova also did not hide her bewilderment:

“The US constantly declares that the economy and energy cannot be politicized!

And now those who do not want to politicize the economy and energy will help those who benefit from the project from an economic and energy point of view, not to implement it? "

It is obvious to everyone that the closer the ambitious Gazprom project is to completion, the more there are those who want to earn extra money there, or rather just profit. And for the majority it is no longer important - just on it, or on the opposition to it.

Circulations are not off scale


It seems that now only pro-Western media are actively replicating the pseudo-political hype that the United States is raising around Nord Stream 2. From behind which "tough" statements and "latest" warnings from Poland and Ukraine are regularly heard.

It is difficult to understand what real economic interest is in whipping up passions over the SP-2 also in the Baltic states? Most likely, anti-Russian propaganda is being paid well there, and clearly not from the local pocket.

It didn't take long for Kiev and Warsaw to go to extremes, accusing Russia of using

"One of the most powerful weapons is the dependence of neighbors on energy supply."
But how much you can sign your own powerlessness, we from Russia, in general, do not understand.

But the purely mercantile interest is immediately understandable. No, no one in their right mind would think of turning off the gas to the Poles and Ukrainians. More dear to yourself. But after all, both Poland and Ukraine have been saving on the costs of maintaining their transit systems for many years.

All claims from the Near West and Southwest boil down to forcing Gazprom to fork out. Moreover, it is advisable to fork out for a complete resuscitation of the catastrophically aging GTS.

Competitors need not worry


At the same time, Warsaw is still trying to impose on Germany the supply of Norwegian gas through its own gas pipeline "Baltic Pipe". However, they cannot be compared with Gazprom's ones, both in terms of volume and price.


In addition, the Baltic Pipe project, promoted by the Poles and Norwegians, will still have to be coordinated with the SP-2 operator. Already because the pipelines intersect somewhere in the area of ​​the very disputed zone, the purity and innocence of which Denmark has defended for so long.

The latter, by the way, is now very active in its participation in the completion of the laying of the SP-2 pipes.

It is interesting that even under the most negative scenario for Gazprom, it may well be just about the construction of new gas pipelines through Poland and Ukraine. Of course, if the reconstruction of the Urengoy-Uzhgorod and Yamal-Europe highways turns out to be excessively costly.


Whether Poland and Ukraine will be able to count on any more compensation from Washington after that, this is a question that does not even require an answer.

If you want to get something out of Moscow, as the Polish and Ukrainian mass media repeat with enviable regularity, then it looks like a pipe dream.
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  1. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 1 March 2021 10: 08
    +9
    Meanwhile, Rosneft has surpassed Gazprom in capitalization.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 1 March 2021 10: 16
      +13
      Quote: forty-eighth
      Meanwhile, Rosneft has surpassed Gazprom in capitalization.

      Have you borrowed money from the state again?
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 1 March 2021 10: 27
        +25
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: forty-eighth
        Meanwhile, Rosneft has surpassed Gazprom in capitalization.

        Have you borrowed money from the state again?

        They don't seem to be in poverty anyway ...

        All the forces of the world mass media will be thrown into the fact that the Russian "Gazprom" will pay for the deed.

        Well, it will pay off ... And the bills will again raise their population.
        They laid the cherished pipe in the neighboring region, and now "Gazprom's granddaughter is crying" because this "unscrupulous" population does not want to be connected. You see, it's dear to them. Just think 200-300 thousand ... with the main salary in the region 15-20 ...
        1. Destiny
          Destiny 1 March 2021 10: 33
          +28
          They do not live in poverty. Top management set their salaries for several million rubles a day. Dreams come true. They have.
          In the first quarter of 2020, the total income of members of the Gazprom Management Committee increased 1,7 times and reached 585,1 million rubles, or 41,8 million rubles for one of the 14 members of the management board. Top management's revenues rose despite a record drop in the company's profits: according to Gazprom's report, in the first quarter of 2020, the company received a net loss of RUB 306,2 billion.
          Of the accrued payments, only a quarter fell on wages (150,9 million rubles), while the main part was provided by bonuses (346,2 million rubles) and "other types of remuneration" (87,9 million rubles), the amount of which was three times the amount for all last year.
          The company decided to reward top managers despite the fact that it ended the quarter with a net loss of RUB 306 billion and faced a sharp drop in sales in all markets.
          1. Civil
            Civil 1 March 2021 11: 37
            +7
            Plus or minus the chronicles of "Gazprom"

            The main thing here is not to fuss under the client (Germany) laughing
          2. NEOZ
            NEOZ 1 March 2021 14: 30
            -8
            Quote: Destiny
            They do not live in poverty. Top management set their salaries for several million rubles a day. Dreams come true. They have.

            the example of Gorbachev, who sold his country, his people for ...... one million dollars ... is not enough for you?
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 1 March 2021 16: 39
              +2
              The article, like the situation with SP-2, is rather confusing. But I agree with the authors that the closer the completion of construction and commissioning of SP-2, the greater the tension and intensity of passions.

              And here are hints about the repair of old and construction of new pipelines by Russia through Ukraine and Poland:
              "And best of all - the launch of some other pipeline project, in which there will be no talk of bypassing Ukraine and Poland. It will obviously not be enough for Gazprom's opponents to put in elementary order with the old pipes. "
              "All claims from the Near West and Southwest boil down to forcing Gazprom to fork out. Moreover, it is desirable to fork out for a complete resuscitation of the catastrophically aging GTS."
              “It is interesting that even under the most negative scenario for Gazprom, it may well be about building new gas pipelines through Poland and Ukraine. Of course, if the reconstruction of the Urengoy-Uzhgorod and Yamal-Europe pipelines turns out to be excessively costly.
              ",
              - seem just delusional.
        2. Woodman
          Woodman 1 March 2021 10: 35
          -9
          Quote: Doccor18
          They laid the cherished pipe in the neighboring region, and now "Gazprom's granddaughter is crying" because this "unscrupulous" population does not want to be connected. You see, it's dear to them. Just think 200-300 thousand ... with the main salary in the region 15-20 ...

          So far, it has been like that, as you said. But this news inspires hope:
          Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the gradual completion of the gasification program by 2024 and 2030. The list of instructions based on the results of checking the development of gas supply and gasification of regions is published on the Kremlin's website.

          At the same time, sources of funding for activities to connect households to gas distribution networks should be formed without attracting funds from citizens themselves. The instructions relate to the government and Gazprom, that is, the company will have to connect Russians for free. A comprehensive contract for the supply of gas, connection and maintenance of the necessary equipment can be concluded using the "single window" structures and multifunctional centers.
          Let's see what happens ...
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 1 March 2021 10: 38
            +15
            And at whose expense will the banquet be?
            Granddaughters-daughters of the same Gazprom will pay for these things ..?
            Oh, something is hard to believe. Or then the cost of cubic capacity will soar 2 times ...
            1. Destiny
              Destiny 1 March 2021 10: 43
              +21
              Already getting more expensive. Compare last year's gas receipts and this year. Gas is like gasoline becomes from an anecdote, remember, when gasoline always rises in price in our country, despite the wind rose and the price per barrel on the world market.
              1. Doccor18
                Doccor18 1 March 2021 10: 48
                +10
                Quote: Destiny
                Already getting more expensive. Compare last year's gas receipts and this year.

                I know a family that refused gas, the children wanted to pay for and spend on them themselves. They calculated that gas costs per year will exceed those for firewood by almost 1,5 times. And this is with a big brick old stove. And if you install a modern economical one, then the benefits will be even more serious ...
                1. tolancop
                  tolancop 1 March 2021 11: 22
                  +9
                  I still need to buy firewood. Bring. Saw. Prick. Fold in woodpiles to dry. And then heat the stove .... And the stove pipe with chimneys must be cleaned once a year. And how not to be careful, but in a couple of years the ceilings will be smoked ... you need to wash it. I lived in the village and stoked the stove, incl. I know the subject "from the inside". With gas heating, a completely different life begins ...
                  1. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 1 March 2021 11: 25
                    +9
                    Quote: tolancop
                    .. I know the subject "from the inside". With gas heating, a completely different life begins ...

                    Who would doubt it ...
                2. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 1 March 2021 11: 27
                  +3
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  They calculated that gas costs per year will exceed those for firewood by almost 1,5 times. And this is with a big brick old stove.

                  The main thing is that the stove is more reliable, and you can warm your back on it.
                  1. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 1 March 2021 11: 32
                    +8
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Quote: Doccor18
                    They calculated that gas costs per year will exceed those for firewood by almost 1,5 times. And this is with a big brick old stove.

                    The main thing is that the stove is more reliable, and you can warm your back on it.

                    This is already a Russian stove - a huge one, with a stove bench, and inside there is also a place for cast iron pots.
                    I remember how I ate porridge from a cast-iron pot as a toddler. Delicious. To this day, I have not tasted porridge tastier than the one from the Russian oven ...
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 1 March 2021 11: 47
                      +8
                      Quote: Doccor18
                      This is already a Russian stove - a huge one, with a stove bench, and inside there is also a place for cast iron pots.
                      I remember how I ate porridge from a cast-iron pot as a toddler. Delicious.

                      Everything that you cook, fry, bake pies and bread in it, you will find better deliciousness.
            2. Woodman
              Woodman 1 March 2021 10: 47
              -6
              Quote: Doccor18
              Or then the cost of cubic capacity will soar 2 times ...

              If only 2 is acceptable. For the sake of natural gas in my parents' house, I will survive such an increase. This will be no more expensive than buying two or three cars of firewood every winter.
              1. Doccor18
                Doccor18 1 March 2021 10: 50
                +5
                I just wrote about this above hi
                1. Woodman
                  Woodman 1 March 2021 10: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  I just wrote about this above

                  I don't know any such family. I know a lot of those who choose firewood instead of gas because of the cost of connection. I don’t know any of those who had gas and they refused. And firewood will be cheaper than gas only if you harvest them yourself. But not everyone has this opportunity.
                  1. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 1 March 2021 11: 01
                    +6
                    From the sawmills they carry cutting tractors, waste lumber, 4 carts of 3 thousand each, enough for the winter. Total 12 thousand per year. Gas is released about 18 thousand per year. There are no benefits, only convenience. You don't have to run around with firewood every day. But for retirees, who have every penny in their account, the choice is not rich ...
                    1. Woodman
                      Woodman 1 March 2021 11: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: Doccor18
                      Total 12 thousand per year. Gas is released about 18 thousand per year. There are no benefits, only convenience.

                      One question - do they cook on a wood stove or on a gas cylinder? Then these costs must be added to the costs of balloon gas. And this is about 600-700 rubles per balloon per month. And as a result, the cost is at least equalized.
                      I have two or three cars for the winter (after the winter we buy 2 or 3 cars, so in fact 2,5 cars) 7 thousand each. True, given the fact that children are there all summer and for them almost every other day they slightly heat the bathhouse in order to wash it out before going to bed).
                      1. Doccor18
                        Doccor18 1 March 2021 11: 13
                        +6
                        In winter, the stove is always hot, they cook on it. And so, an electric stove, small.
                        The price of firewood is different everywhere. I agree with this.
                    2. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 1 March 2021 11: 30
                      +3
                      Quote: Doccor18
                      From the sawmills they carry cutting tractors, waste lumber, 4 carts of 3 thousand each, enough for the winter. Total 12 thousand per year.

                      I also take 8 cubes to the dacha, scraps from boards, for 100 euros. Enough for the winter, and for the spring too.
                  2. Tatyana Pershina
                    Tatyana Pershina 1 March 2021 12: 49
                    +4
                    "I know a lot of those who choose firewood instead of gas because of the cost of connection."
                    Only summer residents can sing the praises of wood heating, since gas is not only heating, but also cooking and a shower (bath). About the price: for 2020 I paid 8434 rubles - a house of 85 square meters, the temperature was kept at least 23 degrees.
          2. BAI
            BAI 1 March 2021 11: 27
            0
            Let's see what happens ...

            Gasify. one hundred%. But before that, they will correct the criteria by which the settlement has the right to gasification. Now there must be at least 100 permanent residents. They will make, for example, 100. And all the problems will be solved at once. By themselves.
          3. Revival
            Revival 1 March 2021 11: 37
            +13
            "May decrees, while I am president, please treat with understanding" ...
          4. Tatyana Pershina
            Tatyana Pershina 1 March 2021 12: 37
            +3
            "... the company will have to connect Russians for free."
            Unfortunately, the President's order does not specify exactly (and it cannot be) who should finance the connection of gas to the household appliance. Now the officials will "pull the rubber", figuring out which budget - city, district, regional - should finance the connection, or which part of Gazprom - serving, supplying or laying the pipeline. They will wait until they receive a magic pendel after addressing the President in a straight line.
          5. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 1 March 2021 13: 41
            +5
            Quote: Lesovik
            Let's see what happens.

            None of this will work. For gasification at the top is judged not by the number of connected subscribers, but by reports on the gasification of settlements. UGT Mezhdurechensk is gasified on paper, but in fact less than half have access to gasification.
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 1 March 2021 13: 49
              -1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Mezhdurechensk is gasified on paper, but in fact less than half have access to gasification

              Because the connection of communications to the house is paid. It will be free - those who wish will stand in queues and raise a noise in case of refusal. Regarding Mezhdurechensk - in one provincial town, my friends have a house. Everyone around the house was gasified according to some kind of program many years ago (perhaps even in the 90s), and friends learned something and did not enroll in the program, and they themselves, through their own fault, and now they only have to pay for gas, and not according to them. pocket. As a result, everything around with gas, and they are with firewood.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 1 March 2021 15: 10
                +3
                Quote: Lesovik
                As a result, everything around with gas, and they with firewood.

                We have everything with firewood, gas has been promised since 2010.
                1. Woodman
                  Woodman 1 March 2021 15: 16
                  -1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  We have everything with firewood, gas has been promised since 2010.

                  So I don’t argue. I just described a funny, in my opinion, situevina. So the situation is sad, but from the outside it looks exactly funny. I have known these people since 2003, and even then things were like that.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 1 March 2021 15: 21
                    +2
                    Yes, there are kikozy. I also know one, it is still heated with electricity, at one time I squeezed 300 thousand rubles for the connection. Now waiting for freebies. from. Podstepki, G.O. Togliatti.
                    I am amazed at one point - why did the president think about the unreasonably high cost of connection and the need to gasify the population only when the main gas importer went at a loss? 20 years hands did not reach, or did not know?
            2. Ren
              Ren 2 March 2021 06: 39
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              UGT Mezhdurechensk is gasified on paper, but in fact less than half have access to gasification.

              And in Mezhdurechensk (Kuzbass) the private sector is 99,9% coal-fired. wassat
              Gasification of private traders is not welcomed in Kuzbass - only coal, only hard core wink
              The southern and European regions of the Russian Federation are gasified much higher than the regions of Siberia. what
              In the southern and European regions of the Russian Federation, probably much more gas is produced than in Siberia ... belay
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 2 March 2021 09: 25
                +2
                Quote: Ren
                And in Mezhdurechensk (Kuzbass) the private sector is 99,9% coal-fired.

                Samara region, firewood. Although we also produce gas.
        3. YOUR
          YOUR 1 March 2021 11: 49
          +8
          So already. Was at Rosneft 92nd at 45.67 became 46.20. Just think of some 53 kopecks per liter, but they warm the soul.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 1 March 2021 12: 45
            +4
            and not so much a soul - a jump pocket ...................................... but a transfer from a slide turn off and drive according to the rules - where there is a 60 -60 km sign. saves. and taking rubber from landfills - there are almost good ones. and the oil can be changed for 15 tons km without overgas and max speed. and do not put extra loads in the car-saving. and do not travel often - only on holidays.
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 1 March 2021 13: 01
              +8
              laughing
              Better yet, get credits, buy a car and put it in the garage.
              Everyone is fine, well, almost, you don't need to buy gasoline. For that, the banks will be happy.
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 1 March 2021 13: 37
          +5
          Quote: Doccor18
          granddaughter-gazpromova crying "

          Another "granddaughter", Gazprom Neft, raised the price of propane by 20%. am
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 1 March 2021 10: 19
      +12
      I remember in 2008 Lesha Miller promised that Gazprom would turn into the most expensive company in the world with a trillion dollar capitalization. But then something went wrong ... lol
      1. BAI
        BAI 1 March 2021 11: 28
        -8
        I remember in 2008 Lesha Miller promised

        Who in 2008 could have foreseen the sanctions?
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 1 March 2021 12: 09
          +10
          Russia has always been under sanctions, in 2008 there was the Jackson-Vanik amendment.
        2. frog
          frog 1 March 2021 14: 43
          +4
          Shaw, Miller wasn't Miller in 2008? If you believe those who still found the union times, working in this monster, after the arrival of this ... character, everything became clear ... The only question is how much inertia would be enough ... The campaign ends ...
      2. your1970
        your1970 1 March 2021 11: 34
        -12%
        Quote: Greenwood
        I remember in 2008 Lesha Miller promised that Gazprom would turn into the most expensive company in the world with a trillion dollar capitalization. But then something went wrong ... lol

        Musk was also a rich man ... But just now in one day he lost 14 lard
        "The fortune of the founder of SpaceX and Tesla Elon Musk dropped by almost $ 14 billion per day due to the fall in the value of Tesla shares, according to Bloomberg. According to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, in 24 hours Musk's fortune fell by $ 13,6 billion to $ 176 billion."
        And in 2008 there was also a global crisis - so it is not surprising that Gazprom did not reach a trillion
        1. Avior
          Avior 1 March 2021 17: 24
          +4
          Musk was also a rich man ...

          in 24 hours, Musk's fortune decreased by $ 13,6 billion and amounted to $ 176 billion.

          I liked your "was" about this rogue smile
          1. your1970
            your1970 1 March 2021 22: 24
            -1
            Quote: Avior
            Musk was also a rich man ...

            in 24 hours, Musk's fortune decreased by $ 13,6 billion and amounted to $ 176 billion.

            I liked your "was" about this rogue smile

            Well, if you lose 10% of your fortune in a day - a trifle, I don’t know lol lol
            You cannot be understood rich ...
            Nevertheless, the 2008 crisis strongly drank the world's economy
            1. Avior
              Avior 2 March 2021 00: 42
              +5
              Only one person can say about a man with 176 billion dollars that he "was a rich man" - a certain Bezos.
              Jeff, I am pleased that you are also a VO reader smile
      3. Revival
        Revival 1 March 2021 11: 39
        +6
        Uh-huh, and sagged in all respects, worse than it was, oh, such managers will surely entice the West if you don't pay a lot ...
  2. lucul
    lucul 1 March 2021 10: 20
    -12%
    All the forces of the world mass media will be thrown into the fact that the Russian "Gazprom" will pay for the deed.

    It reminds me of a hysterical woman who does not want to listen to any arguments. Words against them are useless - only force.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 1 March 2021 10: 35
      -11%
      Quote: lucul
      It reminds me of a hysterical woman who does not want to listen to any arguments. Words against them are useless - only force.

      And why do we need such a woman? In the Far East they are much wiser. laughing

      ps
      We must not forget that oil and gas revenues make up 30% of our budget, and these are public sector salaries, pensions, allowances, scholarships, etc. which people spend here, incl. supporting businessmen.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 1 March 2021 11: 42
        +12
        We must not forget that oil and gas revenues make up 30% of our budget, and these are public sector salaries, pensions, allowances, scholarships, etc. which people spend here, incl. supporting businessmen.

        And if you stop stealing uncontrollably, then it will come out that gas, in general, does not have to be sold for the cordon ... For they steal - everyone is not less than 30% ...
        1. frog
          frog 1 March 2021 14: 45
          +4
          And if you stop stealing uncontrollably

          How's that? And you will be able to explain THIS that it is also possible not to steal in this way? Or maybe you can teach me how to work? At least a C?
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 1 March 2021 14: 48
            +2
            Not. How to make people not steal - let us theoretically know, Felix Edmundovich will help us. But to make them WORK - I think, Even Comrade Stalin and Comrade Beria could not ... Yes, they would not, because they were realists. Other methods are needed here. See Felix Edmundovich.
            1. frog
              frog 1 March 2021 19: 28
              +3
              How to make people not steal - let's suppose I know theoretically, Felix Edmundovich will help us.

              Suppose, even with Zhelezny, the question is theoretically controversial)))
              As for everything else, I absolutely agree. With all the ambiguity of the mentioned characters wink But you can't pay them less, or they'll run away. so it seems, it was said ... That's why they keep on a good, let's say, salary, these ... ... characters ...
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 1 March 2021 19: 33
                +9
                So I imagine how, say, British Petroleum lures Sechin to the post of chairman of the board of directors for crazy money ... belay
                1. frog
                  frog 1 March 2021 20: 09
                  +6
                  A wondrous sight laughing
                  And the Qatari master steals Miller repeat
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 1 March 2021 16: 40
        +1
        public sector salaries, pensions, allowances, scholarships, etc.

        Here in Germany there is neither oil nor gas, they buy gas and oil, and salaries, pensions and benefits are higher than ours, HOW SO? We have both oil and gas, but we live worse, HOW SO?
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 1 March 2021 18: 01
          -2
          Look at labor productivity in Germany and Russia. That is why fishermen have large salaries, they work at the level of productivity of European fishermen. Others fall short.
  3. polk26l
    polk26l 1 March 2021 10: 28
    +14
    It is not necessary to trade in oil and gas, but in gasoline, diesel fuel, kerosene, machine tools, agricultural products and other products of our industry
    and agriculture! And you need to gasify your own country, so that gas and petrol for the people is worth - a penny !!! Then the price of gas and oil will rise to many hundreds of dollars per cubic meter and barrel! Then it will be possible to sell a little, keeping these enemies of Russia "in a black body"!
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 1 March 2021 10: 38
      +12
      It is not profitable for them to gasify the country, to drive gas abroad through pipes more margin. In our large villages they barely supplied gas, but no one stutters about small ones.
    2. prior
      prior 1 March 2021 10: 41
      +10
      Do you want to make our government and officials work ?!
      Well, you are a dreamer ....
      They can only steal and trade in their homeland. The rest is impotent.
      The "National Treasure" has a chronic lack of stability for a long time ...
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 1 March 2021 10: 44
      +8
      Do you want to ruin big and small Russian bourgeoisie? laughing Leave foreign manufacturers without work? laughing Who will agree to what you propose? laughing
    4. your1970
      your1970 1 March 2021 11: 56
      -13%
      Quote: polk26l
      And you need to gasify your own country, so that gas and petrol for the people is worth - a penny !!!

      Quote: Destiny
      It is not profitable for them to gasify the country, to drive gas abroad through pipes more margin. In our large villages they barely carried gas, and about small ones, no one stutters

      Wow ... it's worth the dust ...

      Let me remind you - the USSR built the first gas pipelines in Germany in 60e ..
      apparently
      Quote: Destiny
      , to drive gas abroad through pipes more margin
      ended up in the USSR ...
      В its the country for 30 years (before the collapse) - the USSR mastered the gas to carry only to cities with a population of over one million, nothing more .... About small cities (not even about villages !!!) - there was no question at all under the USSR.

      But on the radio talked about Gas-pipes, Samatlora, Urengoy-pomary-Uzhgorod and other construction sites that remove gas Past their native citizens over the hill.
      Mass gasification in our Trans-Volga region, for example, went into 1995 (!!!).


      Z. Y.
      And further- judging by the result - the collapse of the USSR- the leadership of the USSR (all up to 1 secretary of the district committee) were
      Quote: prior
      can only steal and trade in their homeland. The rest is impotent.

      They profiled the country ineptly, not for the smell of tobacco ..
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 1 March 2021 13: 54
        +7
        Quote: your1970
        Let me remind you - the USSR built the first gas pipelines in Germany in the 60s ..

        1. Not in the 60s, but in the 70s. Specifically, in 1973, gas supplies to Germany began.
        2. There was an agreement with the FRG - gas in exchange for pipes. To just pull the internal gas pipelines. And now ... And now the agreement is gas in exchange for yachts. So that the right guys have something to float to where Russian gas is sold.
        Don't you feel the difference in approaches?
        1. your1970
          your1970 1 March 2021 22: 18
          -3
          1) in 1973 they began to pump already in Germany, built in the late 60s.
          The thread Central Asia - Center through the Volga region passed to 1967 (!!!!!), but they began to gasify in 1995 ... the USSR had no time for us ...
          2) the agreement determined that they provide us with pipes for the construction of gas pipelines to Germany with payment for gas. About any Internal gas pipelines were not discussed .... exclusively export pipelines.
          3)
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          gas in exchange for yachts.
          - Well, yes, well, yes .... I know the statistics of foreign trade and the structure of the budget of the Russian Federation. For 2019, 62% of the budget of the Russian Federation was given by the FCS. In the structure of these 62%, export duty on hydrocarbons prevails ...
          And this, in turn, automatically means that calibers, pensions, salaries for teachers and doctors, and so on - either from the sale of gas / oil, or from the export of weapons, or money from the construction of a nuclear power plant.
          Somewhere there can sail and yachts - I do not argue.
          Z. Y.
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Don't you feel the difference in approaches?
          - I feel ... The problem is that to shoot the top of the generals (up to major generals inclusive) of the SA, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB of the USSR, as well as all the Central Committee of the CPSU, for treason and the USSR betrayed by them, alas, is impossible, they died mostly ... - for them now
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          the right guys had something to float to where Russian gas is sold.
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 1 March 2021 23: 21
            +4
            Quote: your1970
            The thread Central Asia - Center passed through the Volga region in 1967 (!!!!!), but gasification began in 1995 ..

            Central Federal District of the Russian Federation = Germany. Well yes. Strong statement. yes
            And so ... 60s is actually the beginning of gas production in the USSR. in 1960 - 45 billion cubic meters. Less power of the SP-2, if chu. But demanding a filing, which does not exist in nature ... This is ours, this is Uruguayan. yes
            But if you compare the results ... For 30 years, from 1960 to 1990, the USSR supplied gas to two hundred million, almost 1.5 of the population of modern Russia. Compare with the imburde organized by the rulers of Russia. yes
            Quote: your1970
            There was no talk of any internal gas pipelines .... exclusively export pipelines.

            The capacity of the gas pipeline on pipes is 1420, from 25 to 35 billion cubic meters, I mean a g / c of 60-70s. Gas supplies to Germany - 3 billion cubic meters per year. Well, try to explain what happened to the remaining 22-32 billion cubic meters. Versions - evaporated, or pumped out by the Martians, do not offer. yes
            Quote: your1970
            And this, in turn, automatically means that

            Our government, along with the guarantor, is high time to retrain as janitors. In view of complete and incurable managerial impotence. Let's take as an example - the mega-manager Mishustin, already the head of the Russian government. The Federal Tax Service, which he headed, for example, in the section on personal income tax collection, showed and shows efficiency at the level of 20%. In 2018, having collected less than 0.8 trillion, despite the fact that, according to the thoroughly official statistics, it should have collected - 3..5 trillion. And if our beloved government were to work, at least they demanded from an ordinary excavator ... We would not have to bury ourselves with oil and gas at all. Well, at least not in such volumes. And to compensate for the complete incapacity of bureaucrats, a total sale non-renewable resources ... Approach of the Papuans. Changing gold dust for a beer bottle. yes
            Quote: your1970
            alas, impossible, they mostly died ... It is because of them that now

            Aaaa ... Well, here we got to the bottom of the truth. Necromancy is to blame for everything, and the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, from the graves exchanging oil for yachts. We urgently need to order an exorcist from the Russian Orthodox Church, and life will immediately get better. And our government and the guarantor, they have nothing to do with it. Zombies from the Communist Party are to blame, but not Putin and Mishustin. laughing
            PS
            Efficiency 20% .... Just imagine. How much will a hard worker work for a private trader, completing 1 task out of 5? And for our bureaucracy - an excellent result, worthy of becoming the number 2 person in the country. This is a verdict for the country, if for me.
            1. your1970
              your1970 2 March 2021 01: 00
              0
              1) me in Feng Shui when she came to Germany. It's enough for me that our highway has passed past us much earlier - 1995 is not 1973, like a bah ... our area was completely gasified in 3 years, in 1999 the last remote village was finished off

              2)
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              But if you compare the results ... For 30 years, from 1960 to 1990, the USSR supplied gas to two hundred million, almost 1.5 of the population of modern Russia. Compare with the imburde organized by the rulers of Russia
              - where do these comrades throw tantrums then
              Quote: polk26l
              And you need to gasify your own country, so that gas and petrol for the people is worth - a penny !!!
              ?
              From the wilderness of the forest? From mountain villages?
              If your figure
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              USSR held gas two hundred million, almost 1.5 of the population of modern Russia.
              truthfully, theoretically throwing away Ukraine, Kazakhstan and other Central Asia, we have about 70-100 million
              gasified must remain on the territory of the Russian Federation.
              Well, 20 billion cubic meters of gas across the territory of the USSR should have crawled somewhere, yeah ...
              So either - or .. Or tovarischi DOESN'T that they live without gas in the European part of the Russian Federation, or your figure of 200 million gasified under the USSR, how would it be more delicate ...

              For 20% tax, I absolutely agree with you and fully support you. Physicists about 1/4 do not pay taxes on land, about 1/5 taxes on houses, and up to 1/3 do not pay taxes on transport. Individual entrepreneurs and legal entities do not know exactly the scope of non-payment, but I suspect that mnogoooooooo ...

              Quote: Lannan Shi
              Well, here we got to the bottom of the truth. Necromancy is to blame for everything, and the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, from the graves exchanging oil for yachts.
              I expressed my opinion regarding the persons who profiled the country., and at the same time
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              compensate for the complete incapacity of bureaucrats, a total sale of non-renewable resources
              just like the current ones pumped resources from the country
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 2 March 2021 02: 07
                +2
                Quote: your1970
                1995 is not 1973,

                Well, gas passed by the place where we now live in 85-86. Now 2021 is in the yard. There was no gas and there is still no gas. yes
                Quote: your1970
                - where do these comrades throw tantrums then

                Quote: your1970
                From the wilderness of the forest? From mountain villages?

                Ja, ja. For example, my mountain village, the one in the forest wilderness, is located 55 km from Red Square. yes
                Quote: your1970
                or your figure of 200 million gasified under the USSR, how would it be more delicate ...

                Council of Ministries R S F S R
                P O S T A N O V L E N I E
                6 September 1985 N 385
                The housing stock in the whole RSFSR is gasified by 65%,

                Extrapolate to the entire USSR, and add another 6 years of Soviet power. Even if the figure differs from 200 million, it does not matter. And it is far from the fact that in the smaller, not the larger side. lol
                Quote: your1970
                just like the current ones pumped resources from the country

                Nope. If in the SSR gas exports amounted to 1/8 of production, in Russia it was 1/3. Exports of oil and petroleum products to the USSR - 1/3 (and even then, 1 year, usually at a level closer to 1/4), and in Russia - 3/4 constantly. If the USSR consumed the extracted resources, and only a small part was sent for export, then in Russia there is a banal plunder of the subsoil.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 3 March 2021 20: 20
                  -1
                  1) According to this resolution - nifiga the USSR did not do - it is impossible to call the fulfillment of 17% of the plan a decent word.
                  2) your 55 km from Red Square in 1985 belonged to those percent of the countryside, which they planned to gasify someday, then ... By 2050, no closer ...
                  3) gasification because the decree is extremely interesting - 65% is formed from natural + balloon gas. Otherwise, the percentages of gasification do not converge ... 65 does not work ..
                  4) what is written in this resolution is exactly what I wrote to you right away
                  Quote: your1970
                  mastered the USSR to carry gas only to cities with a population of over one million, nothing more

                  5) no one will personally gasify you - too expensive land in the Moscow region. To shift her ransom to you, you are in a platoon, to redeem it for the state budget, it is immediately located - "ahhh, they profited the state money !!! Stole the budget !!! It would be better if they gave it to pensioners !!!!"
  4. Woodman
    Woodman 1 March 2021 10: 30
    -4
    But after all, both Poland and Ukraine have been saving on the costs of maintaining their transit systems for many years.
    If Poland and Ukraine had pursued an adequate policy towards Russia, the issue of building SP2 would not even have been raised. And now attempts to interfere with the construction of SP2 is just a hysteria of losers, greedy and inadequate losers who are left without income for transit and the opportunity to spoil Russia, using their position as transit countries.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 1 March 2021 11: 45
      +1
      They can finish building, but it will not work if the insurance companies are not found.
    2. parma
      parma 1 March 2021 13: 51
      +2
      Quote: Lesovik
      But after all, both Poland and Ukraine have been saving on the costs of maintaining their transit systems for many years.
      If Poland and Ukraine had pursued an adequate policy towards Russia, the issue of building SP2 would not even have been raised. And now attempts to interfere with the construction of SP2 is just a hysteria of losers, greedy and inadequate losers who are left without income for transit and the opportunity to spoil Russia, using their position as transit countries.

      The question is not in the behavior of the neighbors, but in the very process of construction ... construction is money that can be simply buried in nowhere ... We have built the Eastern one (well, how did we build it, the patient is more likely dead than alive) because of bad behavior in Kazakhstan? Did the leaders of neighboring countries steal (which is already recognized by the Chamber of Accounts and others)?
  5. Free wind
    Free wind 1 March 2021 11: 08
    -1
    At any moment, any of these countries can block any flow. Well, the Urengoy gas pipeline, except through Ukraine, probably has no other way, judging by the map.
  6. svoit
    svoit 1 March 2021 11: 11
    0
    They will not receive such cheap gas as Russian for a very long time.
    due to direct and indirect costs, gas will no longer be so cheap, no one has increased the payback period, this is a commercial project, so both Ukraine and America may not worry for now, but the Europeans will have to fork out a little and finance their Russophobia
  7. Andre___86
    Andre___86 1 March 2021 11: 13
    0
    I am only interested in one thing - was the pipe thrown into Kaliningrad bypassing the partners?
  8. 123456789
    123456789 1 March 2021 11: 18
    0
    Quote: prior
    The rest is impotent.

    Believe impotent persons laughing
  9. BAI
    BAI 1 March 2021 11: 22
    +5
    The majority on this list are insurance firms headquartered in the UK. In addition to them, the Swiss Zurich Insurance Group, the French Axa Group and the German concerns Bilfinger SE and Munich Re Syndicate also leave the race.

    Construction is not everything.
    For the gas pipeline to work, it must be insured and certified. This can only be done by foreign companies (we simply do not have such companies, in principle), which, due to the sanctions, will not come close to SP-2.
    Therefore, the completion of construction does not at all mean the beginning of gas pumping.
  10. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 1 March 2021 11: 29
    +5
    I suggest Gazprom analysts raise the issue of "Construction of the joint venture-3". Translate watered. arrows to the otherworldly. laughing
  11. Jarilo
    Jarilo 1 March 2021 11: 53
    +9
    Putin said that good specialists should be paid good salaries. Only I do not understand by what parameters Miller is a good specialist. It has nothing to do with the Gazprom industry. He is an economist by education, but judging by the capitalization of the organization he heads, he is not a specialist. Demonstrates "negative growth". But just like GDP is irreplaceable, even if capitalization goes deep into the red. Apparently for something else he is paid a huge salary.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 1 March 2021 12: 16
      -9
      There is no negative growth there. The efficiency of its management is the profit of the shareholders.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 1 March 2021 13: 47
        +2
        And the profit of shareholders doesn't depend on the profit of the company and its stability in the long term?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 1 March 2021 14: 06
          -7
          Is there anything wrong with that?) Yes. Profits fell and hard. But even Wanga could not predict the global fall in prices and covid), judging by this year, it will burst up again. The largest contract in the history of Gazprom was signed last year. Moreover, in the domestic market. The plant is built under it.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 1 March 2021 15: 12
            +6
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Is there anything wrong with that?) Yes. Profits fell and hard

            So this is negative growth. wink
            But even after that, the salaries of top managers did not drop.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 1 March 2021 16: 05
              -9
              Salaries are sour with contracts, but bonuses could well have been lost. Although it is unlikely, since the management simply has no fault in the fall. Prices fell then through no fault of their own, as well as volumes. Now everything has stabilized and is only growing
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 1 March 2021 16: 06
                +4
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Although it is unlikely since the management simply does not have fault for the fall

                And they are not obliged to calculate the dynamics of prices and market conditions? belay
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 1 March 2021 16: 10
                  -8
                  Ha. It is curious how this pandemic can be calculated ...
                  1. Fan-fan
                    Fan-fan 1 March 2021 16: 48
                    +5
                    Ha. How well the pandemic came about. Now everything can be attributed to her.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 1 March 2021 17: 22
                      -6
                      Why is it successful? Quite the opposite. Before that, they had excellent performance in everything. For all producing countries, this is a wild failure.
                  2. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 1 March 2021 17: 34
                    +2
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    It is curious how this pandemic can be calculated ...

                    I think the "Event 201" exercise was no secret for the management of the largest companies in the world.
                    Yes, and not a penny for those managers who cannot calculate the tension of political relations, and as a result of the sanctions.
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 1 March 2021 14: 52
          +3
          Not. Sometimes, you can earn much more from losses and ruin of a company than from dividends from income.
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 1 March 2021 12: 42
      +5
      Only I won't understand by what parameters Miller is a good specialist.


      Freidzon talks about connections with colleagues from the criminal world of the current head of Gazprom Alexei Miller, billionaire Gennady Timchenko.

      He also gives an affirmative answer to the question about Vladimir Putin's meetings with the leader of the Tambovskaya organized criminal group, Kumarin (Baruskov).

      The businessman's specialization was then the production of weapons.

      "A special program was made to create police weapons, and under this program we met several times with Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, who was then engaged in foreign economic activity. And, of course, our joint venture was registered by the department of foreign economic activity of the mayor's office, which was headed by Putin," says is he.

      "He (Putin - ed.) At that moment, among other things, was in charge of law enforcement agencies, and it was with his department in the mayor's office that we wrote together a program for the introduction of police weapons into law enforcement agencies. The program was at first regional, then it was planned to make it federal because it demanded a change in the so-called zero-first order on what kind of weapon the police could have in service. This was agreed with Vladimir Vladimirovich, with the leadership of the FSB, with the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and with the Moscow department, which was also involved in this. we worked quite productively, "said Freidzon.

      According to the businessman, he had to bribe Putin, who simply wrote the amounts during the conversation.

      "The money was always taken by Vladimir Vladimirovich's assistant Lesha Miller. And Vladimir Vladimirovich, in the manner typical of an intelligence officer, simply wrote the amount during the conversation. (...) I personally did not give him money into his hands. But Lesha Miller coped well with this pleasant function. Maybe, of course, he kept it for himself, but for some reason I doubt it, "Freidzon said.
      1. your1970
        your1970 2 March 2021 05: 51
        -1
        Quote: Roman070280
        who was then engaged in foreign economic activity. Well, of course, our joint venture was registered the department of foreign economic activity of the mayor's office, which was headed by Putin, "-

        Quote: Roman070280
        "He (Putin - ed.) At that moment, among other things, supervised law enforcement agencies, and just with his department in the mayor's office together we wrote a program to introduce police weapons into law enforcement agencies.
        - foreign economic the mayor's office oversaw law enforcement bodies ??? !!! can still coordinate the interaction?
        The heads of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB at the local level were big figures for Moscow ??
        Yes, there was such a full reception ...
        Maybe they wrote the program together, but the fact that Moscow had a carriage of those wishing to grab a piece on such a program ... And then some came in large numbers, with their own program, yeah ...
        Not even funny, by God ...
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 2 March 2021 09: 23
          +2
          Not even funny, by God ...

          So no one is funny ..
          And to pretend that "small-town" officials like Putin, under Sobchak, had nothing to turn around on, and snatch their piece is even less ridiculous ..

          can all the same coordinated the interaction?

          This does not change the "parameters" by which Miller is a "good specialist."
          1. your1970
            your1970 2 March 2021 12: 42
            -1
            Quote: Roman070280
            So no one is funny ..
            And to pretend that the "local" officials of the level

            Mestechkov officials - when trying to snatch a piece of the pie not on my level- in the 90s, the head would have been bitten off in five minutes ...
            "It's a bad omen, to go at night ... Into the forest ... In the trunk ..." (C) narodnoe- at that time was an absolute reality
            1. Roman070280
              Roman070280 2 March 2021 14: 09
              +1
              Local officials - when trying to snatch a piece of the pie that is not of their level

              This most "local" has been snatching for 30 years .. at all levels, however ..))

              PS .. I understand that the capital rules in terms of corruption .. But this does not prevent the Voronezh lads from building palaces for themselves ..
              Or maybe you think the governor in my city is somehow different from the Khabarovsk governors ?? And Putin was suddenly different .. yeah, of course ..))
  12. svoit
    svoit 1 March 2021 12: 10
    0
    Quote: Andre___86
    I am only interested in one thing - was the pipe thrown into Kaliningrad bypassing the partners?

    Were they going to? So far, it seems, they decided to carry LNG
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 1 March 2021 12: 15
      -4
      There, for this, the terminal was made.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 March 2021 18: 11
        +1
        Gas goes to the Kaliningrad region only through a gas pipe through the Baltic states. A gas cutter vessel carries gas on the Europe SEA line. The Baltic states can only chat in our direction, and when it comes to the euro, intelligence and ingenuity immediately turn on. And then there is the dad with his export to 9,8 , XNUMX million tons thrown. good
  13. Dimide
    Dimide 1 March 2021 12: 13
    +2
    Can the meeting of Gazprom shareholders at VO be considered open? laughing
  14. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 1 March 2021 12: 14
    -7
    Not immediately after 22 but only 18.
  15. Kushka
    Kushka 1 March 2021 14: 48
    -1
    4zlrlopk







    VvchvvVVA
  16. Kushka
    Kushka 1 March 2021 14: 59
    +1
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Doccor18
    This is already a Russian stove - a huge one, with a stove bench, and inside there is also a place for cast iron pots.
    I remember how I ate porridge from a cast-iron pot as a toddler. Delicious.

    Everything that you cook, fry, bake pies and bread in it, you will find better deliciousness.


    I beg your pardon, this is how I inserted a quote, it's buggy.
    I wanted to say about the oven - KOMPOT from the oven, stewed
    and seasoned with mint all my life I remember (lemonades
    in the villages in the 60s was not). You wave a scythe with your grandfather,
    and then from the cellar of cold coppotik with mint ...
    Divine taste.
  17. evgen1221
    evgen1221 1 March 2021 15: 00
    +1
    Wishlist and mogudki come with meals. We will also hear about the requirements of 100500 energy packages for the complete replacement and maintenance of gas pipelines in a polyandia with ukrandia.
  18. Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 1 March 2021 17: 08
    +1
    After reading the news of the last week about SP2, I realized that SP2 will not fulfill its main goal, i.e. he will not cancel the transit of oil through Poland and Ukraine.
  19. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 1 March 2021 18: 27
    0
    Not a damn thing is over yet! Even if the gas pipeline is completed, the Americans will respond in the Middle East! We must prepare for WAR!
    1. plumber27
      plumber27 3 March 2021 03: 40
      0
      This, of course, is monstrous (in relation to Gazprom as a whole), Miller, the campaign, therefore it is not visible, so as not to hypocrite on TV and not annoy the people, once again.
  20. Consul
    Consul 10 March 2021 13: 57
    +17
    In April, at the latest - at the beginning of May 2021, the construction of the gas pipeline will be completed

    Not a fact, oh not a fact ... Everything will depend on the German-American negotiations. But this year it will be completed.
  21. Consul
    Consul 10 March 2021 13: 58
    +14
    Russian "Gazprom" paid for the deed

    Yeah. Only Gazprom will pay out of our pocket by increasing gas prices.
  22. Consul
    Consul 10 March 2021 13: 58
    +14
    The missing funds are likely to be invested by Gazprom

    In my humble opinion, the missing funds will be invested by Russian citizens (Gazprom will invest "its" profit, which it will cover with subsidies from the Russian budget)
  23. Consul
    Consul 10 March 2021 13: 59
    +17
    Reasons for Washington's rejection of the project - geopolitics and increased influence of Russia

    The economy does not disappear anywhere, even in this case. It's just that economics and politics go together, and it's not right to divide them.
  24. Consul
    Consul 10 March 2021 13: 59
    +15
    United States. From behind which "tough" statements and "latest" warnings from Poland and Ukraine are regularly heard.

    These always howl to their master. Their fate looks like thisyes
  25. Consul
    Consul 10 March 2021 14: 00
    +15
    force Gazprom to fork out. Moreover, it is advisable to fork out for the full resuscitation of the catastrophically aging GTS

    Something tells me that it will be so