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ROC "Gremlin". Hypersonic Perspective for Tactical Aviation

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ROC "Gremlin". Hypersonic Perspective for Tactical Aviation

The Kinzhal hypersonic missile system based on the MiG-31. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation


In the interests of the Russian Aerospace Forces, fundamentally new models of hypersonic missile weapons are being developed. The first complex of this kind has already been put on alert, and another one is expected to appear in the distant future. As it became known the other day, it will increase the strike power of tactical and, probably, long-range aviation.

Gremlin cipher


Back in the early tenths, it became known that the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (KTRV) was working on promising hypersonic missile systems. Some information was known from various sources, but most of the data was not published. The other day, Izvestia revealed detailed information about the new KTRV project. Thanks to this, the approximate work schedule, part of the technical characteristics and the name of the project became known. Development work carries the code "Gremlin".

R&D "Gremlin" is carried out in accordance with the contract of the Ministry of Defense, issued in November 2018. Several organizations from the KTRV, responsible for the development of certain components, were involved in the work. As follows from the available data, part of the design work has already been completed, and the R&D participants are starting to check and test individual units.

Last year, the Soyuz Turaev Machine-Building Design Bureau manufactured a prototype of the Product 70 engine for the Gremlin rocket and conducted its firing tests. Later, checks began on the mass and size models of the new rocket on the carrier - the Su-57 fighter. The models were installed on the external and internal suspension. In addition to the weight and dimensions, the on-board electronics of the products have been tested.

In the near future, enterprises from the KTRV structure will have to carry out a lot of different measures to develop and fine-tune individual elements and the structure as a whole. In 2023, the start of state joint tests is scheduled, according to the results of which the further fate of the missile complex will be decided.


Launch of the Dagger rocket. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Thus, the Gremlin design and development project can be completed by the middle of the decade, after which the finished missile system will receive a recommendation for adoption and launch of the series. Accordingly, in the second half of the twenties such weapon will go to units and will affect the potential of fighter and bomber aircraft.

Technical puzzles


The full technical appearance of the promising rocket is still unknown, but some of its features have been announced. Even such information is of great interest and indicates the purpose of the complex, and also reveals at least part of its potential.

It is reported that the Su-57 fighter will be able to carry the Gremlin missile on an internal sling. This means that such a product is no longer than the largest domestic air-to-air missiles and its length does not exceed 4-4,5 m. Weight parameters are unknown. It is easy to see that in this case the Gremlin rocket turns out to be much more compact and lighter than the already known Dagger.

The rocket flight is provided by the "70" engine. As far as is known, under this index TMKB "Soyuz" is developing a ramjet engine for hypersonic aircraft. Such a product has already passed firing tests at the Ts-12 stand, which makes it possible to practice high-speed flight at high altitudes. The fact of using this stand allows us to understand the approximate range of flight characteristics of the "Product 70".

It is reported that for use on the "Gremlin" the Ural Design Bureau "Detal" provides a homing head "Edge K-02". Products of the Gran-K family are radar seeker with active and passive operating modes. They have already found application in X-35 anti-ship missiles and have confirmed their ability to detect and track surface targets with subsequent missile guidance.


Su-57 is the main carrier of the Gremlin missile. Photo of UAC

The question of the warhead remains open. Most likely, "Gremlin" will receive a high-explosive warhead with high penetrating ability. The possibility of creating a nuclear modification cannot be ruled out, but this can be hampered by the limited dimensions of the rocket.

According to the latest publications, the maximum speed of the new hypersonic missile can reach 5-6 M with a range of up to 1500 km. To what extent these estimates correspond to reality is unknown.

The Su-57 fighter is mentioned as the main carrier of the Gremlin. It is possible that such a weapon will be included in the ammunition load of other domestic tactical aircraft. Also, the possibility of using long-range bombers cannot be ruled out, which will make them a more flexible tool for solving combat missions.

Expected Benefits


Even on the basis of the limited information available about the Gremlin ROC, some conclusions can be drawn. So, the main features of the new missile, which distinguish it from other similar models and determine the combat qualities, are its small dimensions and high flight performance.

Reducing the size and starting weight, even at the cost of reducing flight characteristics, simplifies the construction of the strike complex. Thus, the existing Dagger missile, which is distinguished by its large dimensions, can be used only with specially equipped MiG-31 interceptors. Moreover, one plane carries only one missile. The appearance of a more compact "Gremlin" will expand the list of carriers of hypersonic missiles, as well as increase the size of the ammunition carried.


The X-38 air-to-surface missile is one of the largest ammunition compatible with the Su-57's internal bays. The Gremlin is likely to have similar dimensions. Photo by KTRV

The advantages of hypersonic air-to-surface missiles are well known. Due to their high speed, they do not leave the enemy much time for reaction, and their interception is an extremely difficult task. The appearance of a Gremlin with such advantages will seriously expand the combat capabilities of tactical aviation. In particular, fighter and bomber squadrons will be able to deliver massive strikes with a minimal chance of interception.

It should be noted that the purpose of the promising missile has not yet been specified. It is not known against what targets it is planned to be used - ground or surface. The proposed seeker "Gran K-02" is already used in modern anti-ship missiles, which may indicate the scope of "Gremlin", but does not exclude the possibility of working on ground targets.

Hypersonic future


News about ROC Gremlin reveals several basic questions. First of all, they show that in our country work continues in a promising direction, and in a few years the Aerospace Forces will receive another sample of weapons with the highest characteristics. It is important that such a weapon is created for a new niche and does not duplicate an existing model. Other advantages of a combat, operational and other nature are likely to be obtained.

Thus, the domestic hypersonic program has finally moved to the stage of systematic and constant creation of real weapons suitable for operation in the troops. The next weapon of this kind in a few years will be the aircraft-based Gremlin, and other models with different capabilities and tasks may appear after it. It is obvious that these processes will have a positive effect on the potential of the armed forces in general and the aerospace forces in particular.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 25 February 2021 04: 13
    +2
    "Gremlin" - what a wonderful Russian word! Gremlin, banshees, fairies, leprechauns, werewolves, chupacabras - how many more Russian weapons can you name. Ugh!
    1. bayard
      bayard 25 February 2021 04: 32
      +8
      The author piled up nonsense about the dimensions of the rocket. lol He goes as many as 4 pieces. such in the Su-57 perked up.
      It will be a smaller version of the "Zircon" (similar to the lightweight "Brahmos" among the Indians) and will fit into two (!) Longitudinal compartments with the partition removed. There will be 57 such missiles in the Su-2.
      And the weight of such a unit will be about three tons.

      And with the names recently, they have completely turned their brains into an infernal way. No.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 25 February 2021 12: 18
        +1
        Quote: bayard
        He goes as many as 4 pieces. such in the Su-57 perked up.

        For the Su-57, missiles are being developed in general, no more than 4,2 m long ... In the description of Gremlin, many performance characteristics are indicated from the description of the GZUR, the length of which is 6 m and was originally intended for the Tu-22M3 ... It turns out .. . what GZUR modified for the Su-57?
        1. bayard
          bayard 25 February 2021 12: 41
          +4
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          ... It turns out ... that the GZUR was modified for the Su-57?

          No, the Su-57 was modified for such missiles. And it was not difficult.
          The Su-57 has four weapon bays between the gondolas. Removing the partition between the front and rear compartments of each side, we get not 4, but 2 compartments, 8,4 m long. So there is enough length with a margin.
          But the diameter and overall cross-sectional dimensions had to be adjusted specifically for the Su-57 armament compartment.
          This was reported a few years ago.
          And about manipulations with the partitions of the compartments, and about the intention to make a more compact (under the dimensions of the Su-57) version of the Zircon air launch.
          hi
          1. ironic
            ironic 25 February 2021 14: 31
            0
            The Zircon version? Oooh ... well, we will wait a long time to see what it is. The air version of Onyx won how much they shared .... and then, in my opinion, the Indians just did it.
            1. bayard
              bayard 25 February 2021 15: 01
              +1
              Quote: ironic
              The air version of Onyx won how much they shared .... and then, in my opinion, the Indians just did it.

              The air version of "Onyx / Brahmos" was made ONLY by Indians.
              In Russia, the aerial version of the Zircon was made. And there were reports of this for a long time.
              And the throw tests of the air version on the Tu-22M3 were carried out 10 years ago.
              1. ironic
                ironic 25 February 2021 21: 30
                +1
                Zircon 10 years ago?
                1. bayard
                  bayard 26 February 2021 00: 48
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                  Quote: ironic
                  Zircon 10 years ago?

                  If memory serves, in 2010
                  Mass-sized model, throw tests.
                  They began earlier than the tests in the ship version.
                  And it was then that there was a leak, an alarm in the United States that "tests of a new GZUR for the Tu-22M3 began in Russia.
                  Then our side had to confirm this.
                  But after those tests, there seemed to be no new ones ... And the planes themselves, count, too - just after that they were collected from all regiments in Kazan for restoration and repair.
                  And the designers focused on the ship version.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 28 February 2021 13: 20
                    +1
                    As far as it was known from open sources, only the Kh-32 was tested on a Tushka from high-speed missiles. In addition, among high-speed air missiles, in reality, only Brahmos exists, and then he has a decent disadvantage in front of a ship with a modern air defense / missile defense system.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 28 February 2021 13: 28
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                      Tests of the Kh-32 began later. And this is a completely different rocket.
                      1. ironic
                        ironic 28 February 2021 16: 24
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                        Seeing is believing. I would like to see at least something specific in open sources.
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 28 February 2021 16: 42
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                        I would also like to, but it will not be shown soon.
            2. Kalmar
              Kalmar 25 February 2021 23: 47
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              Quote: bayard
              The air version of "Onyx / Brahmos" was made ONLY by Indians.

              It seems like "Yakhont" (export version of "Onyx") was offered, including in aircraft performance. It should look something like this:


              Quote: bayard
              In Russia, the aerial version of the Zircon was made. And there have been reports of this for a long time

              From "for a long time" only fragmentary information is recalled that ours and the Indians jointly tried to compose something hypersonic on the basis of "BrahMos". Perhaps, including airborne ones. Then somehow everything was quiet; to what they finished - it is not known.
              1. bayard
                bayard 26 February 2021 01: 05
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                Quote: Kalmar
                It seems like "Yakhont" (export version of "Onyx") was offered, including in aircraft performance. It should look something like this:

                In the photo, as far as I can see, "Yakhont" is lying on the lodgment near the Su-30.
                And pay attention to the dimensions of the Yakhont.
                Despite the fact that its weight is about 4000 kg.
                The Hindus were wise with the "Brahmos" on the pylon between the gondolas ... they strengthened the pylon, lifted it into the air for tests and ... abandoned such an undertaking.
                The idea of ​​using a full-size Bramos / Yakhont on a Su-30 suspension is too heavy.
                And they began to sculpt a lightweight version of it, with a smaller diameter and a weight of about 2500 kg.
                They did such a (lightweight) "Brahmos", but the range came out - 300 km. , and the warhead is seriously relieved.

                In our country, apparently, after throwing tests of the Zircon model on the Tu-22M3, we also decided to make a lightweight model.
                And statements were made about this ... But as if slipping ... And the fact that they are going to be deployed, including on the Su-57, by combining the longitudinal armament compartments, having made two out of four, was also announced.
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 26 February 2021 08: 44
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                  Quote: bayard
                  Despite the fact that its weight is about 4000 kg.

                  It seems that for the ship version, the entire rocket itself is about 3000 kg. Aviation - 2500, apparently due to the removal of the starting booster. They also played with the weight of the warhead: somewhere information came across that it had been reduced to 200 kg in order to reach the range of 500-600 km. But it is not exactly.

                  Quote: bayard
                  In our country, apparently, after throwing tests of the Zircon model on the Tu-22M3, we also decided to make a lightweight model.
                  And statements were made about this ... But as if in slippery ...

                  "Zircon" is a separate story altogether. There is very little reliable information, only rumors and statements (often based on the same rumors). That is, if it really exists in a more or less finished form, it would be logical to try to adapt it for aviation in some form, but this is also speculation.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 26 February 2021 13: 54
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                    Quote: Kalmar
                    It seems that for the ship version, the entire rocket itself is about 3000 kg.

                    And yet, about 4000 kg (plus or minus a couple of centners).
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    Aviation - 2500, apparently, due to the removal of the starting booster.

                    He can't do without an overclocking booster - he needs to overclock to at least 2M to launch a ramjet engine, so an overclocker is needed and he's serious there.
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    came across information that it was reduced to 200 kg in order to reach a range of up to 500-600 km

                    While the range is 300 km. , but they continue to work the reptile by increasing it.
                    The air "Brahmos" has had its diameter reduced and perhaps a little longer.
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    "Zircon" is a separate story altogether. There is very little reliable information, only rumors and statements

                    This is because its appearance is unknown (secreted).
                    And for good reason. In appearance, the shape of the air intake (air intakes), serious conclusions can be drawn. This can be a hint to the enemy how to repeat such an exclusive product.
                    But this rocket does exist and is completing tests. And although ordinary citizens have many questions about her, we will not see her photos soon.

                    Quote: Kalmar
                    That is, if it actually exists in a more or less finished form, it would be logical to try to adapt it for aviation in some form, but this is also speculation.

                    It would be more logical to make first the airborne version of the GZUR, and only then adapt it to the launch cells of the ship. But here, apparently, the general technical condition of the MRA aircraft of our Fleet - Tu-22M3, which at that time was simply falling apart, without timely repairs, had an effect.
                    After all, it was after those very drop tests that all Tu-22M3s were assembled to Kazan for fault detection, repair and modernization. And the conclusions about their condition were far from rosy.
                    In addition, it was desirable to make the rocket more versatile, with the possibility of using other aircraft.
                    By that time, the T-50 had also taken off.
                    Perhaps it was then that the decision was made to adapt the lightweight version of the "Zircon" for use from the internal compartments of the T-50.
                    In any case, about 5 years ago, such information passed.
                    But the range of 1500 km was announced for the first - a full-size missile, the layout of which was tested with the Tu-22M3 trosk. The actual range of the Grahamlin is likely to be shorter.
                    But if such a rocket succeeds, it will indeed be a breakthrough.
                    ... And by no means sewers.
                    hi
                    1. Kalmar
                      Kalmar 26 February 2021 14: 54
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                      Quote: bayard
                      And yet, about 4000 kg (plus or minus a couple of centners).

                      The weight of 3900 kg was mentioned in one source, but this is with a launch glass, the rocket itself is still lighter. Maybe they will bring to the next MAKS and write how much is actually))

                      Quote: bayard
                      He can't do without an overclocking booster - he needs to overclock to at least 2M to launch a ramjet engine, so an overclocker is needed and he's serious there.

                      Yes, I put it wrong. There is an accelerating stage, but clearly much smaller than that of the ship version.

                      Quote: bayard
                      This is because its appearance is unknown (secreted).
                      And for good reason. In appearance, the shape of the air intake (air intakes), serious conclusions can be drawn

                      I think all the most interesting things are still inside (seeker, engine); appearance is unlikely to be a revelation for our overseas friends. But a simple video in general plan showing the defeat of the surface target by the Zircon could have cast all doubts aside. And so, while it remains to be content with speculation.

                      Quote: bayard
                      It would be more logical to make first the airborne version of the GZUR

                      We have that with air, that with sea carriers, everything is very, very sad. On the other hand, some progress appeared in the fleet (project 22350), but the MPA, on the contrary, practically ceased to exist. So, apparently, the naval version is a priority.

                      Quote: bayard
                      But if such a rocket succeeds, it will indeed be a breakthrough.
                      ... And by no means sewers.

                      It would be great, I admit it. Of course, there would still be open questions about the state and number of carriers, issuance of control points and others, but still a significant step forward.
                    2. bayard
                      bayard 26 February 2021 15: 56
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                      Quote: Kalmar
                      The weight of 3900 kg was mentioned in one source, but this is with a launch cup, the rocket itself is still lighter.

                      I've heard about 3800 kg. but without a glass. Therefore, I wrote - 4000 kg. + \ - a couple of centners.
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      I think all the most interesting things are still inside (seeker, engine); appearance is unlikely to be a revelation for our overseas friends.

                      In fact, there is a lot to say:
                      - shape, number of air intakes,
                      - type of nose cone leading edge,
                      - location and shape of the radio-transparent fairing for airborne radar, electronic warfare antennas, and other sensors.
                      - the shape and nature of the plumage of the GZUR
                      etc.
                      No one has yet a combat GZUR, yes with a ramjet engine and such characteristics, is not yet and is not expected soon. Therefore, the appearance is interesting to everyone.
                      And that is why it is not available.
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      but the MPA, on the contrary, has practically ceased to exist. So, apparently, the naval version is a priority.

                      Attempts to marry the Kh-32 and Tu-22M3 \ M3M continue. Now there are 61 such aircraft left, 30 of them are planned to be upgraded to M3M, the rest are simply capitalized with the extension of the resource. But the planes are old and pretty worn out, so they are not planning a new rocket for them.
                      And what will become the new carrier, besides the Su-57, we'll see.
                      It can be both the updated and the rocked Su-34 (which is very desirable).
                      And the Su-30SM - one GZUR between the gondolas.
                      And even the renewable in production Tu-160M ​​\ M2 (up to 12 GZUR on board) - to defeat sea targets at a great distance, as well as the coastal infrastructure and enemy naval base overseas.
                      The promising PAK DA could also carry such missiles.
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 26 February 2021 16: 45
        +1
        Quote: bayard
        The Su-57 has four weapon bays between the gondolas.

        Between the gondolas there are 2 compartments with weapons. And they were initially indicated as two (even on presentation models)
        1. bayard
          bayard 26 February 2021 17: 40
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          In the first versions of the T-50, it was said about 4 - in order for the sash to turn out to be a cam, it is already possible not to create strong resistance (and for the sake of using weapons at supersonic). This topic was discussed at VO sometime in 2010 - 2012. , with illustrations and diagrams of supersonic operation.
          Apparently in the end they decided not to bother with excessive mechanization.
          Or for the sake of a larger internal volume of the weapons bays (six long-range explosive missiles, as in the first photo, are much better than 4).
          But without altering the weapons bays, the declared GZUR will not fit there.
          And the scheme that I described was announced somewhere in the region of 2012.
          And again later.
          Apparently, for such GZUR, you will have to make a separate modification of the shock Su-57.
          Although it would be better for the revival of the MPA, they would make an enlarged version of the Su-34, with engines (and air intakes) from the Su-57, an increased airframe, an internal fuel supply, range and combat load. Such an aircraft could carry up to 3 such missiles + 4 - 6 explosive missiles for self-defense. The best for the revived MPA, and it is impossible to come up with.
          Thanks for the photo.
          hi
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 25 February 2021 20: 45
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Quote: bayard
      He goes as many as 4 pieces. such in the Su-57 perked up.

      For the Su-57, missiles are being developed in general, no more than 4,2 m long ... In the description of Gremlin, many performance characteristics are indicated from the description of the GZUR, the length of which is 6 m and was originally intended for the Tu-22M3 ... It turns out .. . what GZUR modified for the Su-57?


      And the diameter?
      The maximum weapon accommodated in the compartment is one of the sides no more than 330mm along the edge ...
      To shorten the rocket does not mean to reduce it in the full sense of the word, but only in particular ...
      And what a 1500 km range. which the author carries - from a kind not even fiction. but simply heresies ...
      1. bayard
        bayard 25 February 2021 21: 52
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        It is impossible to read about the range without amazement.
        Such a range was indeed once called, but then (about a year in 2010) it was a question of a full-fledged airborne Zircon under the wing of a Tu-22M3. And the very fact of an air launch, at high altitude and (possibly) supersonic speed, could give an additional impulse (less energy would be spent on acceleration and climb) and, accordingly, range. Up to 1500 km.
        But now we are talking about a reduced (!) Version of "Zircon".
        If we compare, by analogy, a full-fledged "Brahmos" ground launch with a range of 550 - 600 km. (4000 kg starting weight), and a lightweight, air launch, smaller diameter and weight, with a smaller warhead, a range of 300 km ... then stated in the article the characteristics look like a uniform fantasy.
        ... If only the warhead is nuclear, weighing (like the Onyx) about 80 kg. ...
        It seems that again we are being fed with projects, which it would be better to keep silent about until the real confirmation of the characteristics.
        But even if the real range of this "Grahamlin" is 800 - 1000 km. , this will be a very good ammunition.
  2. Alex777
    Alex777 25 February 2021 18: 54
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    And with the names recently, they have completely turned their brains into an infernal way. : o:

    Duc for the sworn "partners" tried. They will immediately understand. wink
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 February 2021 04: 35
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Gremlin "- what a wonderful Russian word! Gremlin, banshees, faeries, leprechaun, werewolf, chupacabra - how many more Russian weapons can you name.

    The weapon can be called pleasant for the ear of the warrior who uses it: acacia, carnation, hyacinth ... Or it can be frightening, but frighteningly understandable for the enemy ... They still assign NATO names to the samples of our weapons ... And so is the task for them relieved, and a chill along the ridge is provided ... laughing
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 25 February 2021 04: 40
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And so the task is easier for them, and the chill along the ridge is provided.

      Gremlin is not a particularly scary character, rather dirty-comic.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 25 February 2021 04: 51
        +5
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Gremlin is not a particularly scary character, rather dirty-comic.

        Well yes
        Gremlins are known to hate technology. Since World War II, all technical failures, from bicycles to spaceships, have been attributed to gremlins.

        Only this is embarrassing smile
        They hate it and harm the people who use it in every possible way.
    2. Destiny
      Destiny 25 February 2021 04: 43
      +10
      I agree that the main thing is that the enemy understands everything for himself from one name of the weapon.
      1. arkadiyssk
        arkadiyssk 25 February 2021 08: 28
        +2
        It is a pity that the Americans rename everything in their own way and they do not care what we call the missile. So the justification for the name is so-so.
    3. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 25 February 2021 08: 22
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And so the task becomes easier for them, and a chill along the ridge is provided.

      And what a chill! laughing

  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 25 February 2021 04: 43
    +4
    Well, it's not a fact that this name will remain
    Development work is coded
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 25 February 2021 04: 45
    +8
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    wonderful Russian word!

    Water, Kikimora, Goblin, Brownie, B. Yaga, Ghoul, Ghoul, Bat, and the cherry on the cake - Chubais! wassat
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 25 February 2021 04: 52
      +11
      No, they will not understand Chubais, but rather let NATO members call their weapons so that we understand that they are terribly destructive.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 25 February 2021 05: 11
        +6
        Quote: Destiny
        so that we can understand

        You can not do it this way ! We survived one Chubais, but we will not survive the enemy weapon Chubais! Let our Chubais smash the adversaries!
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 25 February 2021 11: 30
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Water, Kikimora, Goblin, Brownie, B. Yaga, Ghoul, Ghoul, Bat, and the cherry on the cake - Chubais!

      ... Antsybal, Anchutka, Auka ... Babai, Barabashka, Buka ... Zhizh, Zyuzya ... Enough until the beginning of the 22nd century!
  • loki565
    loki565 25 February 2021 09: 52
    +3
    "Gremlin" - what a wonderful Russian word! Gremlin, banshees, fairies, leprechauns, werewolves, chupacabras - how many more Russian weapons can you name. Ugh!

    Well, why are you so indignant, you can always design your rocket and name it what you like))) Well, if you can't, then all that's left is to sit on the couch and tell the designers how to call your brainchild)))
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 25 February 2021 10: 05
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      Quote: loki565
      Well, you are so indignant, you can always design your rocket and name it what you like
      You might think the designers came up with the name.
      1. loki565
        loki565 25 February 2021 10: 25
        +2
        You might think the designers came up with the name.

        Are you from Ukraine by any chance? there, too, when there is nothing to complain about, they start to fight with Soviet and Russian names)))
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 25 February 2021 11: 19
          -1
          Quote: loki565
          Are you from Ukraine by any chance? there, too, when there is nothing to complain about, they begin to fight with Soviet and Russian names
          Not by chance. As I understand it, you think the word Gremlin is Soviet or Russian. I suppose you send out valentines, because St. Valentine is an age-old holiday.
          1. loki565
            loki565 25 February 2021 11: 35
            +2
            Not by chance. As I understand it, you think the word Gremlin is Soviet or Russian. I suppose you send out valentines, because St. Valentine is an age-old holiday.

            I believe that when there is nothing to find fault with, they begin to cling to the words of the name, etc., and between you and such Ukrainians there is no difference, you just forbid different words, but the essence is the same)))
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 25 February 2021 15: 50
              -1
              Quote: loki565
              I believe that when there is nothing to complain about, they begin to cling to the words of the name
              What a miserable score you have, for example I really do not like it when "girls-designers" on posters for Victory Day sculpt Americans and even German Nazis, is that empty nit-picking in your opinion? So here, some kind of "left" word was stuck by managers-marketers and I do not like it and the rocket itself has nothing to do with it.

              Quote: loki565
              just forbid different words
              Just a bobo head?
  • iouris
    iouris 27 February 2021 13: 12
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    "Gremlin" - what a wonderful Russian word!

    This is a state of the brain.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 25 February 2021 04: 18
    +2
    Thus, the domestic hypersonic program has finally moved to the stage of systematic and constant creation of real weapons suitable for operation in the troops.

    And these are no longer "cartoons"
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 25 February 2021 10: 35
      -1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      And these are no longer "cartoons"

      It's just about OCD, i.e. still largely "cartoons". Alas, but the result of OCD does not always turn out to be a finished product, often it can be a sad conclusion: they say, the desired performance characteristics are unattainable.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 February 2021 05: 17
    +11
    Kirill, how can the dimensions of the missile prevent the deployment of a tactical nuclear charge on it? The 152mm rounds are much smaller than this missile, and that refers to tactical nuclear weapons! And, ANY missile with a range of more than 500 km is in fact a potential carrier of a nuclear charge!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 25 February 2021 19: 27
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      Quote: Thrifty
      ANY missile with a range of over 500 km is, in fact, a potential carrier of a nuclear charge!

      Colleague, in the choice of combat equipment for the carrier, the range is not a determining criterion. The determining factor is the mass of the equipped BP. Anything that can carry a warhead heavier than 100 kg can potentially carry an SBP. So the payload weight is the criterion here.
      AHA.
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 25 February 2021 20: 49
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Kirill, how can the dimensions of the missile prevent the deployment of a tactical nuclear charge on it? The 152mm rounds are much smaller than this missile, and that refers to tactical nuclear weapons! And, ANY missile with a range of more than 500 km is in fact a potential carrier of a nuclear charge!


      Very simple.
      Any nuclear missile and any nuclear warhead must be taken into account at the stages of production, storage locations and application carriers.
      If some of the amateurs of nuclear weapons at least once revere the very same START treaties that our diplomacy so advocates for - then all the arrogance and foolishness on the issues of production and deployment. application - will decrease a hundredfold!
      And the authors of such articles, sucked not from the finger, this especially applies!

      Do not multiply entities beyond measure!
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 25 February 2021 05: 29
    +11
    I like these.
    First, they write that nothing is really known.
    Then fortune telling and fantasy.
    Then, from these fantasies, conclusions about the next victory of Russian weapons ...
    But the article is ready. The fee is secured.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 25 February 2021 10: 06
    +1
    I missed a lot on the Hunter UAV. Does it have weapons comfortably placed on external suspensions, or does it also have an internal compartment?
    If the Su-57 is being considered, does it mean that it will probably be armed with a similar missile and the Hunter, or is it a fantasy?
    In the eyes of an amateur, it would make a great tandem of the Hunter UAV and a hypersonic missile, but this is of course if there is a unification of the weapons compartment with the Su-57.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 25 February 2021 20: 52
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      Quote: Azimuth

      In the eyes of an amateur, it would make a great tandem of the Hunter UAV and a hypersonic missile, but this is of course if there is a unification of the weapons compartment with the Su-57.

      The hunter is just a cut of the budget ...
      His role is at most a tanker.
      A tanker close to the battlefield.
      But not a fighter.
      Not a participant in the "battlefield".

      And for the role of "arsenal" - the Su-30, Su-35 are much more suitable ...
  • Kalmar
    Kalmar 25 February 2021 10: 31
    +2
    It is reported that for use on the "Gremlin" the Ural Design Bureau "Detal" provides the seeker "Edge K-02". Products of the Gran-K family are radar seeker with active and passive modes of operation. They have already found application in the Kh-35 anti-ship missiles ...

    The Kh-35 is a subsonic missile, there are no questions for it. And how does this "Edge" work on hypersound through a plasma cocoon? Or is there again juggling with terms, in the sense that with hypersonic speed the rocket will fly only in some part of the trajectory, slowing down near the target?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 25 February 2021 11: 21
      +1
      The point is that the "modified" GSN "Gran" ("Edge-75") is also going to be installed on the "Gremlin" ("modified" GZUR)! On the anti-ship missile X-35 is "Gran-K"! The plasma "cocoon" creates problems, most likely, at speeds exceeding M-5,6 ... At a speed of M = 5-6, the problem of the "plasma cocoon" can be avoided by constructive solutions ...
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 25 February 2021 20: 55
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        At a speed of M = 5-6, the problem of a "plasma cocoon" can be avoided by constructive solutions ...

        Which ones?
        On a rocket 4 meters long and 230-240mm in diameter?

        There are no fairy tales in life ...
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 25 February 2021 20: 54
      +1
      Quote: Kalmar

      The Kh-35 is a subsonic missile, there are no questions for it. And how does this "Edge" work on hypersound through a plasma cocoon? Or is there again juggling with terms, in the sense that with hypersonic speed the rocket will fly only in some part of the trajectory, slowing down near the target?


      So.
      At 45 seconds of engine operation at an altitude of 60-70 thousand km, the speed will be M5, and everything else ...
      Descent-planning range.
      The work of the GOS will begin upon reaching a speed of 2-3M, when there can be no plasma at all.
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 25 February 2021 23: 30
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        Quote: SovAr238A
        At 45 seconds of engine operation at an altitude of 60-70 thousand km, the speed will be M5, and everything else ...

        We are talking about 60-70 thousand meters, I suppose? )) In general, this is no longer quite a hypersonic missile in the current understanding, but rather something aeroballistic. However, why wonder about a product that does not yet exist; will make a real sample - we'll see.
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 25 February 2021 10: 39
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    Kinzhal pseudogiperzvukovaya raketa.
    Gremlin budet nastoyashchiy giperzvuk.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 25 February 2021 19: 40
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      Quote: CastroRuiz
      Kinzhal pseudogiperzvukovaya raketa.

      And where did you get the idea that the Dagger is a "pseudo-hypersonic" missile?
      Due to the fact that the development of domestic scientists and engineers is unique and secret, the true information about the appointment and capabilities of the hypersonic airborne missile system "Dagger" is not disclosed, however, it is known that it includes a carrier aircraft and a hypersonic missile. The combat part of the rocket of the "Dagger" complex can be equipped with both conventional combat and nuclear weapons, which makes it possible to inflict enormous damage on the enemy. The maximum speed of the missile flight of the air-missile complex "Dagger" is about 12250 km / h, which means that the missile can cover a distance of 2000 kilometers in less than 10 minutes.
      Given the hypersonic speed of the missile's flight, the Dagger air missile complex makes the air defense and missile defense systems useless, which already causes concern for the US Department of Defense, as this means that there is simply no defense against modern Russian weapons.
      More details at: https://avia.pro/blog/giperzvukovoy-aviacionnyy-raketnyy-kompleks-kinzhal
      1. CastroRuiz
        CastroRuiz 25 February 2021 20: 38
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        Neimeet PRVD. Giperzvuk dostigaetsa s pomoshchiu skorosti nositela MiG-31.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 25 February 2021 22: 58
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          Quote: CastroRuiz
          Neimeet PRVD. Giperzvuk dostigaetsa s pomoshchiu skorosti nositela MiG-31.

          This is an aeroballistic rocket. Why does she need a ramjet engine? She attacks the target, diving at it from 40 km! It is flight in a rarefied atmosphere that gives it such a speed and an appropriate range. This rocket does not fly on a cruising phase in the dense layers of the atmosphere.
          Second. The MiG-31K releases the Kh-47M2 at a speed of 1,5-2M, and it picks up the remaining 8M out of 10 on its own.
          Therefore, you are wrong.
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 25 February 2021 23: 40
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            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            This is an aeroballistic rocket. Why does she need a ramjet engine?

            I think it was about the fact that the term "hypersonic missile" is usually understood as a product, whose engine allows you to stably maintain a speed exceeding 5M. Ballistic missiles have a different principle: acceleration to maximum speed in a short time and subsequent flight by inertia. Of course, you can still consider it hypersonic, since at some point the speed matches, but this is more a marketing area.
          2. CastroRuiz
            CastroRuiz 26 February 2021 10: 12
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            Sami potvrdili shto Kinzhal pseudogiperzvukovaya raketa. Ona aerobalisticheskaya.
            Ya schitayu, shto ya prav.
  • A1845
    A1845 25 February 2021 11: 27
    +1

    The rocket flight is provided by the "70" engine. As far as is known, under this index TMKB "Soyuz" is developing a ramjet engine for hypersonic aircraft.

    it is not clear what is meant: rocket-direct-flow or with supersonic combustion?
  • certero
    certero 25 February 2021 13: 22
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    And so the task is easier for them, and the chill along the ridge is provided ...

    The chill along the ridge is provided by the excellent technical characteristics of the weapon and the demonstration of its use for real targets.
    Let such a rocket be called a shuttlecock. if she scares the foe with her capabilities, then the name absolutely does not care.
  • ironic
    ironic 25 February 2021 14: 27
    0
    Well that is again it is not clear what it is and due to what such characteristics will be there.
  • Old26
    Old26 25 February 2021 14: 57
    +1
    Quote: arkadiyssk
    It is a pity that the Americans rename everything in their own way and they do not care what we call the missile. So the justification for the name is so-so.

    They will, of course. This rocket will have a name starting with a letter К

    Quote: Lipchanin
    Well, it's not a fact that this name will remain
    Development work is coded

    It may well be, Sergei. Take the same ROC under the code "Topol-MR". In the series, this product began to bear its own name. "YARS"

    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    You might think the designers came up with the name.

    Certainly not constructors. But there is a reference book with such names. Can be any name you like. Moreover, R&D can have one code, R&D - another, serial product - a third

    Quote: Kalmar
    It's just about OCD, i.e. still largely "cartoons".

    Rather, a comrade, a "cartoon" can be a draft or preliminary design, in the future research and development, but OCD is already the closest thing to "hardware"
  • Petio
    Petio 25 February 2021 17: 02
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    It can be assumed that Zircon consists of a GZUR + a powerful solid-fuel accelerator. Although for the GZUR and Gremlin, an accelerator is also needed to accelerate to the speed of switching on a hypersonic ramjet. Probably on the Zircon the same guidance head is
    1. Petio
      Petio 25 February 2021 17: 08
      0
      But in the head you can enter targets on the radar of the terrain + GLONASS and work very accurately on the ground
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 25 February 2021 20: 11
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    For the author of such missiles in the near future there will be five for strategic aviation, two air, one for the OTRK and one for the MLRS.
  • Old26
    Old26 26 February 2021 20: 24
    +3
    Quote: bayard
    In Russia, the aerial version of the Zircon was made. And there have been reports of this for a long time
    And the throw tests of the air version on the Tu-22M3 were carried out 10 years ago.

    Zircon was developed as an interspecific complex with land and sea launchers. It was never said by anyone that there is an aerial version of "Zircon"
    0 years ago there were NO throw tests. In 2011, only a group of designers was formed on this topic. Throwing tests were indeed carried out with the TU-22M3, but this does not give reason to assume that it was at the same time an air launch. By the way, the throws were launched in the fall of 2012 (not 10 years ago, to be precise.
    And the throw tests of the CD in general are carried out in most cases from the aircraft, because it is impossible to make a full-scale throw launch from a ground-based launcher ...