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The timing of the start of state tests of "smart" shells for the BMPT "Terminator"

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The timing of the start of state tests of "smart" shells for the BMPT "Terminator"

New "smart" 30mm rounds for support combat vehicles tanks (BMPT) "Terminator" will enter the stage of state tests in the spring of 2021. This was announced by Yuri Nabokov, general director of the Pribor NGO.


According to Nabokov, state tests of 30-mm shells with remote detonation for BMPT will begin in April this year, serial deliveries of ammunition are planned to begin in 2022.

The shells for the "Terminator" are going to state tests, in fact, we are starting them according to the directive from April 1 this year. I think that by the end of next year, remotely detonated ammunition will be ready, we are putting in about eight to nine months for testing, then formal paperwork will follow.

- leads RIA News the words of the general director of the developer company.

The beginning of the development of "smart" ammunition for the BMPT "Terminator" was reported in 2017. Initially, the developer promised the readiness of the shells by 2020.

At the same time, the decision on the serial production and purchase of the Terminator BMPT has not yet been made, the Ministry of Defense is waiting for the end of the test program, which will also end in 2022.

Recall that the tests of "Terminators" are underway in the 90th Panzer Division, stationed in the Chelyabinsk region. Eight BMPTs, which entered the unit at the end of November last year, are taking part in testing.
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  1. nnm
    nnm 23 February 2021 11: 46
    +21
    People, no offense (I myself am happy with such news), but for some reason, lately, more and more often I want to update my disturbing suitcase.
    Throughout my military career I wanted my children to live in peace, not knowing anything about the war ... but, it seems, I did not try well ..
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 23 February 2021 11: 50
      -6
      Quote: nnm
      I want to update my trouble suitcase.

      And you read instead of IN some thread a blog about cats, and you will be happy.
      1. nnm
        nnm 23 February 2021 11: 54
        +14
        Colleague, you will not believe, I read a lot of things. Absolutely diametrical trends, opposing founders, completely different levels and directions ... but the conclusion is one - the suitcase must be constantly updated.
        1. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 23 February 2021 12: 40
          -5
          Quote: nnm
          the case must be constantly updated.

          "use the wise motto,
          Be ready for any surprises "(c)
          Recently I watched some regular series, there a certain character was also fond of this business. I read all sorts of things "how scary to live", built a bunker, stored provisions ... etc. etc....
          In short, he was eventually taken to the durka ...
          So colleague, take care of your health, read better about cats. :)
          You can't prepare for all the surprises.
          1. nnm
            nnm 23 February 2021 13: 08
            +2
            Colleague, I will answer you with the words of K. Nepot "Si vis pacem, para bellum"
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 23 February 2021 13: 37
              -3
              As for the topic of the article - why are BMPT smart shells?
              It doesn't work for air targets, does it? request
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 23 February 2021 14: 14
                +3
                Quote: Alex777
                As for the topic of the article - why are BMPT smart shells?
                It doesn't work for air targets, does it? request

                A manpower from the trenches and from behind the shelters to smoke?
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 23 February 2021 15: 57
                  +3
                  A manpower from the trenches and from behind the shelters to smoke?

                  Clever projectiles? Is the grenade launcher not better (cheaper)?
                  1. Genry
                    Genry 23 February 2021 16: 18
                    -1
                    Quote: Alex777
                    Is the grenade launcher not better (cheaper)?

                    The gun is aimed faster and the speed of the squad is disproportionate - it is very important to react quickly.
                    And in the offensive, everything is more expensive.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 23 February 2021 16: 19
                      0
                      Maybe you are right. We'll see...
                    2. nobody75
                      nobody75 23 February 2021 16: 36
                      +1
                      The gun aims faster and the speed of the outfit is incommensurable

                      What is this cannon aiming at faster ??? It all depends on situational awareness, sight, etc. Generally, the gun along with the BM is aimed.
                      Sincerely
                      1. Genry
                        Genry 23 February 2021 17: 49
                        -2
                        Quote: nobody75
                        What is this cannon aiming at faster ???

                        Are you not a reader? Or is the context not available?
                        Quote: nobody75
                        It all depends on situational awareness, aiming, etc.

                        BMPT, in fact, is an advanced reconnaissance vehicle specifically for small objects (the dimension of the head) in the line of sight, the destruction of which does not require coordination with the headquarters (if their number does not exceed a certain maximum).
                        Therefore, it is possible to allow automatic response / destruction of these targets.
                        Quote: nobody75
                        In fact, the gun along with the BM is guided.

                        What does it change?
                        Quote: nobody75
                        Sincerely

                        Happy Holidays! soldier
                      2. nobody75
                        nobody75 23 February 2021 18: 25
                        0
                        BMPT, in fact, is an advanced reconnaissance vehicle specifically for small objects (the dimension of the head) in line of sight, the destruction of which does not require coordination with the headquarters

                        Forgive me, how do you, in a combined-arms battle, imagine coordinating with the stem the destruction of targets of the dimension of the head ?! In battle, no one will agree on anything. Either you - or you. An advanced reconnaissance vehicle on the T-90 chassis? Is it too big for line-of-sight reconnaissance?
                        And what kind of intelligence is this? "Your task is Edim to count the foreheads. So that no one goes to the circus without a ticket." Did you write about such intelligence?
                        Best regards and Happy Holidays!
                      3. Genry
                        Genry 23 February 2021 18: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: nobody75
                        How do you, in a combined-arms battle, imagine the destruction of targets of the dimension of the head with the stem ?!

                        This requires a direct / automatic response with minimal delay.
                        Quote: nobody75
                        In battle, no one will agree on anything.

                        When large or massed targets are detected, you need to transfer them to the "system" to solve their distribution or maneuver / escape.
                        Quote: nobody75
                        An advanced reconnaissance vehicle on the T-90 chassis?

                        The chassis is selected based on terrain conditions.
                        In open free spaces, with high travel speeds, "Armata" will be preferable. In conditions requiring agility, a "classic" with a shorter length will be preferable.
                        Quote: nobody75
                        Is it too big for line-of-sight reconnaissance?

                        You do not just have secret reconnaissance, but in open combat conditions.
                        And the term military intelligence refers to any detection / autopsy.
                      4. nobody75
                        nobody75 23 February 2021 18: 54
                        0
                        You do not just have secret reconnaissance, but in open combat conditions.
                        And the term military intelligence refers to any detection / autopsy.

                        A run-in infantryman, especially a trained ATGM operator, will not "open up" at the sight of a terminator. Most likely he will try to buy ...
                        Happy Holidays and Sincerely
                      5. Genry
                        Genry 23 February 2021 19: 02
                        -2
                        Quote: nobody75
                        A run-in infantryman, especially a trained ATGM operator, will not "open up" at the sight of a terminator.

                        Will it wait when it will be bypassed?
                        Then the infantry will clear the defense line ...
                        You have to stick out anyway.
                      6. nobody75
                        nobody75 23 February 2021 19: 03
                        0
                        Will it wait when it will be bypassed?

                        Exactly! It will fire on board and crawl away ...
                        Sincerely
                      7. Genry
                        Genry 23 February 2021 19: 10
                        -2
                        Quote: nobody75
                        It will fire on board and crawl away ...

                        First: the type of weapon?
                        RPG? The range is very short and will be detected before firing ...
                        Javelin? Only from a distance (and if it has time to capture) and a slow rocket can be neutralized with a machine gun.
                      8. nobody75
                        nobody75 23 February 2021 19: 11
                        0
                        Javelin makes a slide ... You can't hit it with a machine gun.
                        Sincerely
                      9. Genry
                        Genry 23 February 2021 19: 16
                        -2
                        Quote: nobody75
                        Javelin makes a slide ... You can't hit it with a machine gun.

                        The angle of fall from the slide? Machine guns and 30mm cannons after Afgan and Chechnya are designed for mountainous terrain.
                      10. nobody75
                        nobody75 23 February 2021 19: 18
                        +2
                        Excuse me, have you seen a lot of javelins shot down by a machine gun?
                        Sincerely
                      11. Genry
                        Genry 23 February 2021 19: 22
                        -3
                        Manually laughing ?
                        Missiles and even some shells are already being knocked off / deflected by the modern machine gun turret.
                      12. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 23 February 2021 19: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Genry

                        Missiles and even some shells are already being knocked off / deflected by the modern machine gun turret.

                        belay What "shooter" you are stuck in?
                      13. Genry
                        Genry 23 February 2021 19: 36
                        -3
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        What "shooter" you are stuck in?

                        Have you been stuck for a long time?
                        The world is already different!
  • Alf
    Alf 23 February 2021 20: 33
    +3
    Quote: Alex777
    It doesn't work for air targets, does it?

    And Apaches how to "please"?
  • Taltek
    Taltek 23 February 2021 12: 54
    -2
    You are 100% right !!!
  • paul3390
    paul3390 23 February 2021 12: 25
    +2
    Yeah .. For example VK "Life is not the same without a cat .." - 3 subscribers .. belay That like a bull hides a sheep all the political fights taken together .. laughing Cats took over our planet and enslaved humanity .. what
  • Alexga
    Alexga 23 February 2021 11: 59
    +6
    ... upgrade your trouble suitcase

    I understand you, my own completed field bag has been hanging in the closet for almost 19 years.
    but seems to have tried badly ..
    No, we tried not badly, we just always believed that the enemy was outside our borders, but it turned out that he was here, next to us.
    1. nnm
      nnm 23 February 2021 12: 02
      +7
      That's what I'm talking about, colleague, that's what I'm talking about hi
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 23 February 2021 12: 10
        -4
        I understand you, my own completed field bag has been hanging in the closet for almost 19 years.
        but seems to have tried badly ..
        No, we tried not badly, we just always believed that the enemy was outside our borders, but it turned out that he was here, next to us.

        That's what I'm talking about, colleague, that's what I'm talking about hi

        Are you talking about the developers of the "projectile miracle" with remote blasting? For the introduction of which tool to alter? Ordinary budget sawers were equated with the enemies of the people ...
        Sincerely
        1. loki565
          loki565 23 February 2021 12: 44
          +3
          Remote blasting has existed for a long time, they just began to reduce the caliber of its use, by the way, the United States is also experiencing this. The 30mm cannon already worked well against lightly armored targets, and with remote detonation, it could also hit manpower in trenches and behind walls.
          1. Sergey39
            Sergey39 23 February 2021 13: 06
            +1
            Quote: loki565
            Remote firing has been around for a long time

            Yes. From the end of the 19th century. It was called "shrapnel".
            1. loki565
              loki565 23 February 2021 13: 08
              +2
              Yes. From the end of the 19th century. It was called "shrapnel".

              Yes, only with modern laser rangefinders and remote blasting, the efficiency is several times higher)))
              1. Sergey39
                Sergey39 23 February 2021 13: 13
                +1
                Yes. Time moves in a spiral. While on the rise :)
          2. nobody75
            nobody75 23 February 2021 13: 11
            -5
            The 30mm armor-piercing projectile does not take the modern armor of heavy armored personnel carriers and bmp. The height of the bmpshnaya cannon to the height on which Bayraktar works is unfired. the consumption of shells during anti-aircraft firing with shell cannons with and without detonation is the same ...
            And why does the goat need a button accordion ?!
            Sincerely
            1. Jacket in stock
              Jacket in stock 23 February 2021 13: 26
              0
              Quote: nobody75
              Armor-piercing projectile 30mm does not take modern armor of heavy armored personnel carriers and bmp

              Does it take lung armor? So there are goals and there are many of them.
              Quote: nobody75
              up to the height on which Bayraktar works, it grows incomplete.

              And that, apart from Bayraktars, nothing else can fly?
              Can. There are goals.
              Quote: nobody75
              the consumption of shells during anti-aircraft firing with shell cannons with and without detonation is the same ...
              but here I doubt it.
              Where does the information come from? Who counted?
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 23 February 2021 13: 33
                0
                Where does the information come from? Who counted?

                I thought I had it down the model last year.
                Sincerely
            2. loki565
              loki565 23 February 2021 13: 28
              +1
              The 30mm armor-piercing projectile does not take the modern armor of heavy armored personnel carriers and bmp. The height of the bmpshnaya cannon to the height on which Bayraktar works is unfired. the consumption of shells during anti-aircraft firing with shell cannons with and without detonation is the same ...
              And why does the goat need a button accordion ?!
              Sincerely

              And where does the air defense? It's just that if you are sitting in a trench and an BMPT is shooting at you, an ordinary projectile will fly over your head, and with a remote detonation, it will explode and fill the entire trench with shrapnel)))
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 23 February 2021 13: 35
                -1
                If a 30mm projectile covers the entire trench with shrapnel, then the one who dug it needs to be demanded. Since such a defensive line will probably intersect with the enemy's trench.
                Sincerely
              2. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 23 February 2021 15: 37
                0
                Quote: loki565
                It's just that if you are sitting in a trench and an BMPT is shooting at you, an ordinary projectile will fly over your head, and with a remote detonation, it will explode and fill the entire trench with shrapnel)))
                We need a means of accurately determining the distance to the target (trench) and means of target detection (trench).
                My opinion is that it is necessary to use AGS in trenches, to detect trenches and other targets in an open area, use a UAV "tied" to a "specific BMPT".
            3. Piramidon
              Piramidon 23 February 2021 14: 22
              0
              Quote: nobody75
              The 30mm armor-piercing projectile does not take the modern armor of heavy armored personnel carriers and bmp.

              For this he has ATGMs. A cannon, mainly for fighting light armor and infantry.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 23 February 2021 16: 08
                -2
                So ATGMs and BMP have Chrysanthemum. Why this cross between a bulldog and a rhino?
                Sincerely
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 23 February 2021 17: 56
                  0
                  Quote: nobody75
                  So ATGMs and BMP have Chrysanthemum. Why this cross between a bulldog and a rhino?

                  Compare the armor of the BMP and the terminator (T-90)
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 23 February 2021 18: 15
                    -2
                    And the ATGMs at the terminator in the armor space? Cannons in the tower?
                    Sincerely
                    1. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 23 February 2021 20: 28
                      0
                      Quote: nobody75
                      And the ATGMs at the terminator in the armor space? Cannons in the tower?
                      Sincerely

                      And the security of the crew is the tenth thing, in your opinion?
                    2. nobody75
                      nobody75 23 February 2021 20: 30
                      -3
                      How long does a "protected" tank live on the battlefield? 4 minutes?
                      Sincerely
                    3. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 23 February 2021 21: 46
                      0
                      Quote: nobody75
                      How long does a "protected" tank live on the battlefield? 4 minutes?

                      Then why hang tons of armor on it? If you think in your opinion, then tanks can be made of plywood, and so they will burn.
                    4. nobody75
                      nobody75 23 February 2021 22: 56
                      -3
                      So that he lasted under fire for these same 4 minutes ... And how long will the BMPT exist on the battlefield in tank formations as a combat unit, and not as a means of evacuating the crew? And what will happen to the PAA antenna web, which colleagues propose to install?
                      Sincerely
                2. Konnick
                  Konnick 24 February 2021 09: 57
                  0
                  In addition to the protection of the crew, it is necessary to have the protection of weapons, it is not clear why they did not leave the full-size turret. The combat module is a rather vulnerable piece, even for an infantry unit.
      2. Old tanker
        Old tanker 23 February 2021 15: 10
        -2
        Drones do not live alone with Bayraktars. A significant number of them operate at such distances and heights at which they are quite accessible from the 2A42 cannons. Moreover, with shells with remote detonation. Good news. Not only for "Terminators", but also for infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers are an excellent addition to the ammunition. The infantry in the trenches should be kept quiet and the drones should not be allowed to fly.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 23 February 2021 16: 02
          -1
          Is PUAZO on Terminators and BMP already? Is there a ballistic computer that will program the fuse? OLS anti-aircraft or radar, to determine the range (and without it, how to program the detonation)? Don't you think that taking into account the increase in the operating height of the UAV, you need to work for the future?
          Sincerely
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 23 February 2021 16: 24
            -2
            Quote: nobody75
            Don't you think that taking into account the increase in the operating height of the UAV, you need to work for the future?

            For this, Pantsir-SM and S-350 are being created. Against the MALE class this is the minimum.
            Haropes, Heroes, Kayots, Alpagu, Skystrikers and others and other kamikaze drones are already making a significant contribution to the battlefield. Further, their role will increase. ATGMs of 3 generations have become massive solutions, in the near future they will appear en masse on the battlefield.
            Tanks and armored vehicles from them need to be covered, and this cover should be directly behind and better in their ranks.
            In the USA, for this purpose, IM-SHORAD is purchased in an emergency mode. The speed of the entire competition and supplies to the troops is closer to wartime.
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 23 February 2021 16: 32
              +1
              Harop, Hero, Kayots, Alpagu, Skystrikers and others and other kamikaze drones are already making a significant contribution to the battlefield

              Is the usual 30 mm projectile without detonation on the trajectory powerless against them?
              Who will give the terminator target designation for loitering bp? What is the reaction time for air targets?
              Sincerely
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 23 February 2021 16: 39
                -3
                Quote: nobody75
                Is the usual 30 mm projectile without detonation on the trajectory powerless against them?

                The probability of defeat is extremely small. The target is too small. The density of the shells is not enough.
                In this case, Shilka can be more useful.

                Quote: nobody75
                Who will give the terminator target designation for loitering bp? What is the reaction time for air targets?

                The Terminator himself. For this he needs a radar, an optoelectronic system and a CIUS.
                In its current form, it is relevant for the 80-90s of the last century. Then he wondered what else.
              2. nobody75
                nobody75 23 February 2021 18: 10
                -1
                BIUS is for sailors. They even call the cheese knife a dirk. You can't put a decent detection radar on an armored vehicle operating in tank formations. Dimensions will not allow, and they will quickly disable it. I myself considered the probability of defeat. For a projectile with a detonation on the trajectory and a conventional one with a contact fuse, it differs little.
                With respect.
              3. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 23 February 2021 18: 52
                -2
                Quote: nobody75
                BIUS is for sailors.

                Not. BIUS, for example, is on the Armata. Google.
                Quote: nobody75
                You can't put a decent detection radar on an armored vehicle operating in tank formations.

                It is installed without problems. (IFF antenna and MHR)
                Quote: nobody75
                I myself considered the probability of defeat.

                In many countries, they believed there was only one conclusion, a controlled subversion was needed.
              4. nobody75
                nobody75 23 February 2021 19: 10
                0
                In many countries, they believed there was only one conclusion, a controlled subversion was needed

                30 mm projectile? I doubt it ... The aviators used a node for their aircraft cannon.
                In your photo there is a car on a wheeled platform. It will not operate from tank formations.
                Sincerely
              5. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 23 February 2021 19: 31
                -3
                Quote: nobody75
                In your photo there is a car on a wheeled platform.

                What's the difference on which platform to bet on? Specifically, what is in the photo is from a car to a tank chassis. It is possible without at all. If fantasy does not allow you to transfer to a tracked platform, here you go:

                Quote: nobody75
                30 mm projectile?

                Конечно.
                In the same photo, the XM914 cannon can use remote blasting shells. The M1296 Styker Dragoon also has a Mk44 Bushmaster II with remotely detonated shells. And yes, they are already in the US Expeditionary Force in Europe.
              6. nobody75
                nobody75 23 February 2021 20: 12
                -2
                OK, is this machine here - at least one of them - does it work in MBT battle formations?
                Sincerely
            2. Thomas N.
              Thomas N. 24 February 2021 02: 32
              0
              Quote: nobody75
              In many countries, they believed there was only one conclusion, a controlled subversion was needed

              30 mm projectile? I doubt it ... Aviators used it for their aircraft cannon.

              For which aircraft gun (country, aircraft) was the controlled projectile detonation used? Except for the 30-mm multi-element ME-30 (9-A-4198), in which there is no remote fuse, but only an expelling charge with a pyrotechnic slowdown.
            3. nobody75
              nobody75 24 February 2021 20: 20
              -1
              For which aircraft gun (country, aircraft) was the controlled projectile detonation used?

              USA, AH-64 "Apache", aircraft cannon of the M230 line, LW30 PROX projectile. But, again, this topic is vague, I would say murky ...
              Sincerely
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 23 February 2021 16: 54
    -1
    PUAZO? Good joke!
    If the article says that the ammunition is being developed for the Terminator, it means that when the ammunition is put into service, all the equipment necessary for its use will be installed on the BMPT.
    And nothing prevents the installation of such a de on the BMP and armored personnel carriers during the modernization.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 23 February 2021 18: 12
      -2
      Yes, the joke is so-so ... preemption when firing at an aerial target who will issue and on what basis? Oh yeah ... based on the article ...
      Sincerely
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 23 February 2021 19: 20
        0
        The crews of the BMP (sight 1-PZ-3) and tankers from the ZPU are taught to take the lead in the training. By angle, direction and speed of the target.
        So the crews of the Terminators will be trained.
        So study the shooting manual carefully.
        Sincerely.
      2. nobody75
        nobody75 23 February 2021 19: 23
        0
        The crews of the BMP (sight 1-PZ-3) and tankers from the ZPU are taught to take the lead in the training.

        Did the tankers of the UAV get a lot of machine guns? ZPU is useless even against modern helicopters. And here the goal is low ...
        Sincerely
      3. Old tanker
        Old tanker 23 February 2021 19: 37
        +1
        The effectiveness of firing at anti-aircraft targets of any non-specialized means is inferior to anti-aircraft. It is obvious. But this does not mean that it is not possible. It is precisely to increase the effectiveness of fire from a 30mm cannon, both against ground and air targets, that remote detonation ammunition has been developed.
      4. nobody75
        nobody75 23 February 2021 20: 00
        -3
        Will she be? Efficiency? I doubt it ...
        Sincerely
      5. Old tanker
        Old tanker 23 February 2021 22: 14
        +1
        Efficiency is a relative concept.
        Bullet box of 60 rounds, of which only one will fly in your ass. So for me it is not effective, but for you, so completely.
      6. nobody75
        nobody75 23 February 2021 22: 25
        -5
        Didn't know that you were one of these .... who are in the ass. How often did you fly into it in training?
      7. Old tanker
        Old tanker 23 February 2021 22: 42
        +1
        I am glad that you have understood that the concept of efficiency is very relative. The main thing is to try it on yourself. laughing
      8. nobody75
        nobody75 23 February 2021 22: 45
        -5
        You are not going to shoot at people, but at the loitering ammunition! in a dive they accelerate to 600 km / h. How are you going to direct your tank laser rangefinder at them? How to accompany?
      9. Old tanker
        Old tanker 24 February 2021 07: 38
        0
        And that we have their UAVs only patrolling ammunition? And where did I say that I was going to shoot at them? UAVs exist in a great variety of different dimensions and characteristics. Most of them are not drums, but reconnaissance. Quite low-speed and low-altitude, used over the battlefield. Here on them just "smart projectiles" - the very thing. And for larger and faster targets, anti-aircraft weapons will work.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 23 February 2021 19: 24
    -2
    Will the programmer from the tutorial be programmed?
    Sincerely
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 23 February 2021 19: 41
    0
    All crew training is carried out in our training.
    The crews of the T-80U and T-90 are taught to use a shell with remote detonation (by the way, there is nothing complicated there) and the crews of the Terminators will teach.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 23 February 2021 20: 04
    -4
    Let's start over.
    How does a projectile with a detonation on the trajectory work?
    1 The distance to the target is determined
    2 the projectile arrival time is calculated
    3 a special inductor programs the firing time.
    When anti-aircraft fire, who and how will determine the distance ???
    By the eye?
    Sincerely
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 23 February 2021 22: 10
    +1
    Do you know about the existence of a laser rangefinder?
    Imagine, now this crap is pushed everywhere, even in the scope of hunting rifles But ... you are clearly not a hunter laughing lol
  • nobody75
    nobody75 23 February 2021 22: 26
    -2
    I know he works for ground targets. And by air? Lidar needed
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 23 February 2021 22: 44
    -1
    What difference does the laser beam reflect from what? From a hemp on the edge or from an object in the air? He, the laser, does not care.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 23 February 2021 22: 47
    -3
    The point is not in the reflection, but in the frequency of the impulses and the determination of the spherical coordinates of the target. Your rangefinder shines in one direction and you need it often and in a solid angle of at least 40 degrees.
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 24 February 2021 07: 33
    0
    The range finder determines the distance to the visually detected object by the operator. And it is not important whether he is on the ground or in the air. You aim the square at the target, press the range measurement button and the gun has worked out the aiming angle in accordance with it (on the T-72 the sight scale works out). For air targets too. Checked more than once.
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 24 February 2021 07: 41
    0
    Laser rangefinder. Visually detected the target, set the aiming mark and measured the range. Well, then follow the described algorithm.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 24 February 2021 19: 30
    -2
    In passive mode, for visual target detection without radar, you need an RLS. Active - lidar. Modern OLs have a wide viewing angle, digital and optical zoom and a pattern recognition system, which classifies SVN. Our native Ministry of Defense, without this very artificial intelligence, turns it over. Even the "Arbat Artists" realized that the commander with binoculars would not find anything in modern combat conditions. Therefore, the "Birdman" wanders for so long in the fog to replace "Arrow 10".
    But God bless him, with this enlightenment.
    You will not be able to determine the elements of movement in one impulse!
    How does a laser rangefinder work?
    1 The laser diode sends a coherent monochromatic pulse to the detected target.
    2 The interferometer receives the reflected signal and determines 2t - twice the propagation time to the target.
    3 Built-in microcomputer calculates ct - distance to target in spherical coordinates.
    But we are conducting anti-aircraft fire! The trajectory for flat and anti-aircraft shooting is slightly different, therefore, we need
    4 Convert spherical coordinates to Cartesian coordinates - x, y, z. They clearly indicate the height of the target!
    But that's not all. The projectile flies faster than sound (not always), but slower than the speed of light! Therefore, it is necessary to determine the lead, and for this to calculate the speed of the target. And to calculate the speed, you need to do all of the above one more (or better 3) times.
    Sincerely
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 23 February 2021 18: 05
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    Quote: nobody75
    Don't you think that taking into account the increase in the operating height of the UAV, you need to work for the future?

    Do you want to load BMPT with anti-missile defense functions? Can I still screw MLRS and "Caliber" on it? request
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 23 February 2021 18: 14
      -1
      I do not want. , I do not understand the purpose of the "smart" projectile. The 30 mm projectile has such a high explosiveness that it does not need a detonation on the trajectory.
      Sincerely
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 23 February 2021 19: 22
        -1
        And what has the explosiveness? Remote firing for more effective fragmentation action. Not a high-explosive
        Sincerely.
      2. nobody75
        nobody75 23 February 2021 19: 26
        0
        What is the fragmentation effect from which you are formed from ready-made or semi-ready damaging elements? And how many of them can a 30 mm projectile fit? What field will they form?
        Sincerely
      3. Old tanker
        Old tanker 23 February 2021 19: 33
        -1
        You are confusing a high-explosive action (destructive) and what affects the speed of the resulting fragments, their weight and their number. And these indicators depend not only on the amount of explosive, but also on the thickness of the walls of the ammunition and the material from which it is made.
        A striking example of this is the F-1 and RDG-5 grenades. So "the explosiveness of the RGL-5 is greater, since there is more explosive in it than in the F-1. But the fragments are less effective, fly to a shorter range and have less efficiency, since they are lighter.
      4. nobody75
        nobody75 23 February 2021 20: 09
        -2
        I, unfortunately, have long forgotten how to confuse something. You see, the fragments that are formed from the rupture of the walls of the projectile during detonation are narrow and long, and therefore fly close and quickly slow down. The most effective are prefabricated elements. But there is a problem with them - if you increase the number of submunitions, you will have to reduce the mass of explosives. The volume is one ...
        Sincerely
      5. Old tanker
        Old tanker 23 February 2021 22: 03
        -1
        Skillfully merged from the explosiveness, for which they drowned. Thoughts have moved.
        I am glad that you are interested in military topics.
      6. nobody75
        nobody75 23 February 2021 22: 29
        -2
        What do you think will happen with the speed of the fragments with decreasing explosives? And the shock wave does not depend on the explosiveness?
      7. Old tanker
        Old tanker 23 February 2021 22: 39
        -1
        I have already given an example with a low mass of explosives in an F-1 grenade and the effectiveness of its fragments, in comparison with a greater mass of explosives in an RGD-5 grenade and a lower efficiency of its fragments.
        Take a can of stew, fill it all with TNT and blow it up. High-explosive (destructive action) she will have great. But the fragmentation is practically zero. But you, apparently, will not understand this. If you do not understand this, it means that physics was poorly taught at school.
        We have nothing more to talk about.
      8. nobody75
        nobody75 24 February 2021 20: 55
        -2
        I teach it ...
  • nobody75
    nobody75 24 February 2021 20: 38
    -1
    Don't you want to remember the training? Ballistics course. Remember the Krantz-Shardeen high-speed shooting method? It was developed to investigate the lethality of a small-caliber office for aircraft cannons.
    The researchers tried to answer the question of which of the damaging factors of the off-rocket system inflicts the greatest damage on the structural elements of the aircraft:
    1 Shock wave due to high explosive off-site
    2 Kinetic energy of the fragments.
    In the course of the study, it was found that the PRESSURE AT THE FRONT OF THE SHOCK WAVE WHEN REFLECTING FROM A RIGID WALL, INCREASES SEVERAL TIMES. IN CONNECTION WITH THESE AIRCRAFT CANNON PROJECTS STEELED TO EQUIPPED WITH AN INCREASED EXPLOSIVE CONTENT AND A CONTACT EXPLOSER WITH DECELERATION. FOR THE PROJECT TO EXPLODE INSIDE THE AIRCRAFT STRUCTURE !!!!!
    I ASK ONCE AGAIN - WHY DO I NEED AN EXPLOSION ON THE TRAJECTORY AT WHICH THE EXPLOSIVE WAVE SCATTERS ???
    Sincerely
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 24 February 2021 20: 50
    -1
    You are fluent in Google search!
    Just google the defeat of an anti-aircraft missile, a shell. In order to shoot down an aircraft, a direct hit is not required. It is enough to detonate ammunition nearby. The impact of the shock wave and striking elements is quite sufficient.
    Malaysian Boeing flight MH-17 as an example for you.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 24 February 2021 20: 52
    0
    What does Google have to do with it? Should I give a lecture on this topic tomorrow? Can you indicate the site where you think I plagiarized?
    Sincerely
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  • nobody75
    nobody75 24 February 2021 21: 11
    -1
    Where is the text that I STEALED. I did not deny the authorship of Shardeen. Your link describes only the shooting method and nothing about the high-explosive action. And in my post just about him.
    Shame on you? However, you, Europeans, are no strangers. Only with the conquest of Donbas, you will not succeed this time either
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 24 February 2021 21: 16
    0
    I'm scared for Donbass when he has such a defender. No enemies are needed.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 24 February 2021 21: 17
    -1
    It will somehow fight off Bandera's people like you ...
  • nobody75
    nobody75 24 February 2021 20: 54
    -1
    Malaysian Boeing flight MH-17 as an example for you.

    Are you sure that he was shot down with a rocket, or is it your clown - President Zelensky said?
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 24 February 2021 21: 10
    -2
    The president of my country is Putin, not Zelensky.
    And the fact that Boeing was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile was experimentally proved by the specialists of the Almaz-Antey concern.
    But you do not know this, as I understand it.
    Further communication with the self-taught troll is not interesting to me.
    Take care of yourself.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 24 February 2021 21: 12
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    Don't you want to exchange calculations? Only are they capable of reprinting pedewiki?
  • nobody75
    nobody75 24 February 2021 21: 13
    0
    The president of my country is Putin, not Zelensky.

    And not Navalny?
  • nobody75
    nobody75 24 February 2021 20: 56
    -1
    This is not your authorship of the Donbas seizure plan for me to disassemble this weekend?
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 23 February 2021 22: 07
    -2
    But there is a problem with them - if you increase the number of submunitions, you will have to reduce the mass of explosives. The volume is one ...

    And?
    In F-1, the volume of explosive is quite small, and the efficiency of the formation of fragments is high and the radius of their destruction is 200 meters. Think, maybe not everything depends on the mass of the explosive?
  • nobody75
    nobody75 23 February 2021 22: 27
    -2
    How long have you knocked down f 1 f 16?
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 23 February 2021 22: 40
    -1
    What are you talking about? Are you delusional?
  • nobody75
    nobody75 23 February 2021 22: 49
    -2
    It's not me ... delirious, but the developers of the smart shell! On anti-aircraft targets, he will show the "effectiveness" of the lemon against f 16
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 24 February 2021 07: 28
    -1
    UAVs are great. From micro to strategic Global Hawks. And they all fly at different heights and ranges. And there isn't much shock. The vast majority of reconnaissance and spotters. There are also those who fly at altitudes up to 100m and 1500. And imagine them, it is also desirable to shoot them down. But it’s not the Thor to drive it to the front line, firing rockets at the kids. Yes, and "Thor" on the front line will be clearly lost. And with the F-16, just "Thor" and its older brothers will cope, as well as "eclipsed" in the eyes of the blogosphere all other drones "Bryaktari". And for small things, and just "smart" shells 30 and 57 mm - that's it. Cheap, cheerful, effective.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 24 February 2021 20: 42
    -1
    I already wrote above - the shock wave is the main frightening factor for an aircraft, if the explosion occurs INSIDE !!! Back in the 40s of the last century, research was carried out ...
    Sincerely
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 24 February 2021 20: 47
    +1
    For light UAVs, the shock wave generated by the detonation of 50 g of RDX / aluminum powder nearby. Quite enough to tip over and fall. Plus another fragmentation action. Undermining inside is absolutely not necessary.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 24 February 2021 20: 49
    -1
    Not enough. Himself personally counted in the fall. Refined Shardeen's calculations.
    Sincerely
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 24 February 2021 21: 04
    -1
    Calculations in the studio!
  • nobody75
    nobody75 24 February 2021 21: 06
    -1
    Let's post it on Sunday. And you lay out yours! Did you agree?
  • nobody75
    nobody75 23 February 2021 22: 41
    -2
    Again this efficiency ... With what average speed do they fly away and what is their density and speed at 10 m from the place of detonation?
  • Alexga
    Alexga 23 February 2021 12: 23
    0
    Happy Holidays, Dear Colleague, Happy Soviet Army and Navy Day!
  • bald
    bald 23 February 2021 12: 30
    0
    Unfortunately, the universe is so arranged - black and white, it remains for us to be on top and not to relax - never. Happy Holidays! And the tests of ammunition, they say, for a long time something, but only we have a meticulous approach to testing, we even have to change what has already been adopted during the tests, the developers are continuing to work on the topic. And only cats are fast.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 23 February 2021 13: 19
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    All my military career I wanted my children to live in peace, not knowing anything about the war ... but, it seems, did not try well

    Happy Holidays!
    Don't worry! If you do not have a laptop with a metatrader in your alarming suitcase, then you do not pose a threat to potential partners. They got everything they wanted from our monetary authorities by sanctions alone. And they wanted an agreed quantitative easing on the part of all central banks back in 2009. The question is, what did Elya achieve by maintaining a course that is convenient for kerriter traders? Since 2009, she could smoothly lower the rate to 70 and not burn reserves in 2014,2015, 2016 and XNUMX to maintain the rate, which she still could not keep. And to scatter the funds spent on bank reorganization, interventions and other corruption from a helicopter - to maintain domestic demand.
    Sincerely
  • Intruder
    Intruder 23 February 2021 16: 32
    -1
    Throughout my military career I wanted my children to live in peace, not knowing anything about the war ... but, it seems, I did not try well ..
    Maybe they tried all the same normally ... Happy Holidays !!! drinks (and the alarming one should always be kept in readiness # 1)!
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 23 February 2021 18: 27
      0
      Happy Holiday !!! drinks
  • El Chuvachino
    El Chuvachino 23 February 2021 23: 19
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    Quote: nnm
    People, no offense (I myself am happy with such news), but for some reason, lately, more and more often I want to update my disturbing suitcase.
    Throughout my military career I wanted my children to live in peace, not knowing anything about the war ... but, it seems, I did not try well ..


    Look at the film by Karen Shakhnazarov "White Tiger". There is an answer. But I'm afraid you won't like it.
  • figwam
    figwam 23 February 2021 11: 46
    +3
    state tests of 30-mm shells with remote detonation for BMPT will begin in April this year

    Lethal ammunition for manpower.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 23 February 2021 12: 00
      +1
      Quote: figvam
      Deadly ammunition for manpower

      this most likely means that they have decided on the 30mm caliber in the final appearance of the Terminator.
      1. Runway
        Runway 23 February 2021 12: 46
        +1
        This means that ALL armored vehicles with an AP of 30 mm (42/72) can receive (if the armored vehicles pass the state) programmable projectiles = increased probability of defeat + reduced ammunition consumption.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 23 February 2021 12: 52
          0
          Quote: WFP
          This means that ALL armored vehicles with an AP of 30 mm (42/72) can receive (if the armored vehicles pass the state) programmable projectiles = increased probability of defeat + reduced ammunition consumption.

          there is some difference between may receive and receive
          and the article dealt with bp for bmpt
          1. Runway
            Runway 23 February 2021 13: 39
            0
            On the fence they write one thing, and behind it there is firewood. Or the tasks of NO behi / btr differ from the tasks of NO bmpt ??
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 23 February 2021 13: 48
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              Quote: WFP
              On the fence they write one thing, and behind it there is firewood

              I'm not going to comment on your thoughts at all
              I commented on an article, from the content of which it follows that the NPO Pribor was tasked with developing a new type of power supply unit for BMPT. This is confirmed by a quote from the management of the enterprise.
              For me, this means that the epic with bmpt is coming to its logical conclusion. and the BMPT will be put into service with a 30mm gun.
              I'm not going to prove anything to you.
              let alone refute the fact that the projectile developed for the BMPT is also suitable for other vehicles armed with 30mm guns.
    2. venik
      venik 23 February 2021 12: 31
      0
      Quote: figvam
      Lethal ammunition for manpower.

      ========
      Not only! Not only! For every small flying punks (such as loitering ammunition, kamikaze drones, etc.) - also "what the doctor ordered"!
    3. nobody75
      nobody75 23 February 2021 13: 36
      -2
      It is unlikely for manpower, but for the country's budget it is deadly.
      Sincerely
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 23 February 2021 11: 47
    0
    Oh, and the crews at the test site will shoot from the bottom of their hearts, testing these shells! laughing And these shells were needed only yesterday for the 21st century. Great news.
    1. figwam
      figwam 23 February 2021 11: 54
      +1
      The Americans have the same in the test.

      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 23 February 2021 12: 23
        0
        You are wrong. For at least 2 years in the army, in the service. More precisely in Europe.
        According to the Military Balance for 2020 in the US Army, 83 pieces of M1296 Styker Dragoon
        1. figwam
          figwam 23 February 2021 13: 00
          +1
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          You are wrong. For at least 2 years in the army, in the service. More precisely in Europe.

          In December 2020, the Americans conducted test tests of such projectiles at Polish proving grounds, which the Poles were very happy with, as far as I know the certification and adoption had not yet taken place.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 23 February 2021 11: 48
    -1
    It is high time. Drones, shelters ...
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 23 February 2021 11: 49
    -2
    state tests of 30-mm shells with remote detonation for BMPT will begin in April this year, serial deliveries of ammunition are planned to begin in 2022.

    Progress is evident.
    It is interesting in what way it is controlled.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 23 February 2021 12: 02
      -1
      Inspired.
      When I first came to the research institute as a "young specialist" (as university graduates were called in those days), I heard jokes from the life of developers.
      They did something small for the artillery. Everything is as it should be, R&D, OCD, all the cases. Checking "on the table", tests at the stand, then in the antenna hall (it is an anechoic chamber).
      Everything works, everything is fine. People have already started to drill holes for medals.
      They come to the landfill - it doesn't work !!!
      More precisely, it explodes immediately after the shot.
      Again on the table, on the stand, in the hall .... no flaws. Does not work at the landfill. And so in a circle over and over again.
      Toka then someone accidentally noticed that the landfill was in line of sight from the airport. And something powerful blows towards the polygon with all its dope at the same frequency.
      And who would have known. Secrecy, damn it.
      Let's go redo everything - generator, receiver, antennas (and this is part of the case) ...
      Sometimes these "little things" intervene quite unexpectedly.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 23 February 2021 14: 48
        -2
        I imagined what it would be like if the airport and the landfill were a little further apart.
        If you would have accepted this miracle, put it into production, and then there would be surprises ...
    2. venik
      venik 23 February 2021 12: 37
      +1
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      It is interesting in what way it is controlled.

      ==========
      There was information that by radio command ..... And there - God knows it (the Swedes - like "programmable time delay", the Austrians - "rev counter") ..... request
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 23 February 2021 11: 50
    0
    Remote blasting shells + ground and air radar + advanced optoelectronic system. Then there will be a full-fledged support vehicle working against modern threats, such as ATGM crews, small UAVs, loitering ammunition.
    As it is now, it has lost its relevance. The current terminator would be a great car in the 80s and 90s but not 2021.
    1. venik
      venik 23 February 2021 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Shells with remote detonation + radar working on the ground and air + advanced optoelectronic system. Then there will be a full-fledged support machine working against modern threats.

      =========
      As for the shells, the development is nearing completion (the tests are about to begin) ....... The advanced OLS seems to be there already .... The radar is not entirely clear, but the hell is needed there, especially if they put it panoramic OLS, (as on "Birdcatcher")? .....
      So that your wishes are taken into account almost in full! hi drinks
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 23 February 2021 14: 26
      0
      The current BMPT is the T 15 with the BM very close to the Derivation module plus rockets and something for mounted shooting. Simply put, you need to start from scratch.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 23 February 2021 16: 01
        -1
        Naturally, these systems should be modular. And stand on different chassis. Wheeled, light, medium and heavy tracked. Changing the composition of weapons from the task and characteristics of the chassis.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 23 February 2021 18: 35
          +1
          Minus you notably. Is the "Fan Club" trying?
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 23 February 2021 18: 40
            -1
            Well, if you want, let them minus. Am I against what? We have a free country, you want to minus, you want to add. smile
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 23 February 2021 19: 10
              +1
              As one smart grandfather in our collective farm said: If you haven't made friends, it's sad. If I haven't made enemies, that's a shame.
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 23 February 2021 16: 35
      -1
      As it is now, it has lost its relevance. The current terminator would be a great car in the 80s and 90s but not 2021.
      better than nothing !? Moreover, the platform is optimal and worked out, you can put different DBM (s) and not only the version of the tower with weapons, which is now there ... by the way! wink
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 23 February 2021 16: 43
        -2
        Quote: Intruder
        better than nothing !?

        No, it’s not. It costs money and resources, it is better to direct them in the really necessary directions than to spend on useless products. The purchase of Boomerangs, Kurgantsov, Armat will be many times more useful.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 23 February 2021 20: 10
          -1
          It costs money and resources
          but it is not worth it, out of thin air and itself materializes by brainstorming the developers:
          The purchase of Boomerangs, Kurgantsov, Armat will be many times more useful.
          You are a colleague, are you joking so subtly !? bully comparing the chassis and armor protection of the "Terminator" with Boomerang and Kurganets !? They have different vehicles and different purposes, in the middle of '14 I saw with my own eyes in the city (for obvious reasons I will not indicate the country and city), the effectiveness in combat conditions: BMP-2 and T-64, despite the fact that in BMP-he there was a very experienced crew (blessed memory of them ..), although this box did not live long .., but in the old Soviet tank there were zheltootiks who survived, plus they supported the attack!
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 23 February 2021 20: 55
            -1
            I say you need to take the base of this (or Armata):

            And add pluses (radar, optoelectronic system, controlled detonation, BIUS) to this:

            Packed in a combat module for various chassis with different weapons, such as this:


            Then you get what you need. For BMPT tankers based on a tank, with tank protection, for motorized riflemen based on medium tracked and wheeled vehicles, for light infantry based on MRAP.




          2. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 23 February 2021 21: 17
            -3
            A very interesting radar is on SHORAD


            Competitors
  • rocket757
    rocket757 23 February 2021 12: 14
    0
    The tendency is to make ammo smarter ...
  • V.I.P.
    V.I.P. 23 February 2021 12: 41
    +1
    Such shells can be used in "shell" and "tunguska". AK-630?
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 23 February 2021 13: 41
    0
    Pora uzhe i osobenno 57mm. XXI vek.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 23 February 2021 13: 47
      0
      Quote: CastroRuiz
      57 mm

      About 57 mm was recently discussed here.
      There they even made not only controlled detonation (almost), but also trajectory control.
  • AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 23 February 2021 16: 33
    0
    And the Terminator, in general, is adopted?