The US press has suggested why the Orion UAVs flew from the T4 base in Syria

The West appreciated the use of the latest Russian drones Orion in Syria. Recall that the UAVs took off not from the Khmeimim airbase in Latakia, but from the T4 airfield located in the province of Homs, not far from Palmyra.

American observer Thomas Newdick draws attention to the fact that in this way the Russian military is expanding its presence in Syria, not only geographically, but also technically.

From the material in The Drive, where they try to explain why the T4 airfield was chosen as the base for the Orion UAV:

Previously, the air base at Et-Tiyas (T4) was used by the Russians as a helicopter base. Now they have deployed their attack drones there. This was done in the first place for the reason that drones the maximum time to complete the operation.

The author points out that if the Orion UAVs took off from the Khmeimim airbase, they would lose a large percentage of the resource for approaching the territory that was eventually attacked from the air. This is the zone of control of ISIS militants (a terrorist group banned in Russia), where they are active in the central part of Syria.

Previously, the militants made several attempts to reach Tadmor (Palmyra) and regain control of the city.

Western media also speculate about the relative number of Orions' military uses against militants in Syria. It is noted that the strikes were delivered repeatedly.

We will remind that earlier it was reported about at least 30 strikes inflicted by the Russian Aerospace Forces on ISIS militants in the mentioned zone of control. It is now assumed that the strikes were also delivered using the aforementioned Orions.

The American observer makes this conclusion, including on the basis of a frame with red stars on board the UAV with various symbols, including the designations of reconnaissance operations.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

would lose a large percentage of the resource for approaching the territory that was ultimately attacked from the air

The fact that the time of the barrage is increasing, apparently did not reach the observer.

[lwxx]

[/ quote] The fact that the time of the loitering is increasing [quote] Do not confuse loitering with loitering. These are completely different things

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: lwxx

Do not confuse loitering with loitering

That so it could mean patrolling in the air, specifically clarified.

[mitroha]

One thing is not clear, again we are stepping on the same rake. As the Turks bombarded YouTube with personnel from the UAV, what advertising they gave, many began to think that victory could be achieved only by them, although this is not true at all. And here again everything is quiet, in silence. Until now, they crawl out onto the VO personality with screams, you have nothing from the UAV. That's because of such quietness. And it's easier to offer a well-known product for export.

[figwam]

In 2017, the first videos appeared.

[Skay]

And here again everything is quiet, silent

Why do you need advertising. Are you planning to buy? Those who are in the subject know everything for a long time.

[mitroha]

And to whom YOU? I think I have revealed my idea. If you do not understand, my condolences. Instead of minuses and stupid answers to a phrase taken out of context, it would be better to explain what is your disagreement. Generation pepsi, damn
Vaughn below the comment
"Finally, we have a strike UAV. This is good news." -, and the above claim that they have been with us since 2014. Such is the information.

[Skay]

it would be better to explain what is your disagreement

I understood your idea, but you did not understand mine. If you are poorly informed, then you have a poor intelligence service. How? You have no intelligence service at all ?! Then you are basically not interesting. Be content with information in the media. Do not be sad, and treat this with understanding. And, yes, I don't have my own intelligence service either.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Skay

Why do you need advertising. Are you planning to buy? Those who are in the subject know everything for a long time.

This is at least an advertisement for our Motherland, raising the prestige of Russian weapons and the Russian Army.

[Svetlana]

Leave this movie to Hollywood

[Souchastnik]

And here again everything is quiet, in silence.

Better to quietly do your job than litter the air with messages about "no analogs" of something there.
According to the principle: they know less, it is easier to hit.

[Maz]

Great news! Now the militants in this area are kapets, only in a sandstorm and in the rain, and even then not every time it will be possible to dance in the desert, it would be necessary to have one more Orion so that they constantly hang in the air, just a few leaned out - there was a gift or to send aviation or to comb their hair or send a specialist. The main workhorse. How many lives will save! It is a pity that they had not pushed him there earlier.

[Old tanker]

And without the Orions, they can’t arrange a kapets Su-25, Su-24, Su-34? Yes, and "Calibers" can be pushed up.

[Souchastnik]

Yes, and "Calibers" can be pushed up.

Have you tried chasing hares on a tank?
Orion hangs to himself with several gifts and hangs. The operator can smoke, pee away. And why keep the pilots in readiness constant? All the more so for one, say, a jeep to send a Su-25 is like taking a TV set from a store on a KAMAZ.
There is already enough work for dryers.

[Old tanker]

And what exactly is Sushki's job in Syria? Shouldn't you bomb the barmaleev?
From the 15th year, they coped without the Orions. So Orion is not a panacea, but a nice addition to Drying.

[Souchastnik]

I do not understand the question?
Have you been coping since the age of 15 and continue without them? Or what?
I'll try at random. By analogy. The tank has a cannon for large targets, a machine gun for low-flying, light armored and infantry.
Su-25 takes 4 tons of ASP (aviation weapons) and it is economically inexpedient to chase the Shaitanarba on it. Even if he takes an ode to the 100-kilogram bomb. And the flight time is significantly less than that of a UAV. Pilots have limited flight time. 8 hours shift. Then rest is obligatory. Therefore, if you bomb a warehouse, a candle factory, a convoy on the march - these are SU-25, SU-24, SU-34. On a tip from the UAV.
And if a separately moving car, a group of dejectedly wandering Basmachi, or some other living creature, then Orion with a couple of rockets or gliding bombs will be enough.
All I can.

[Old tanker]

Of course, Orion is enough for one car. But this does not mean that before the appearance of the Orions, single machines from airplanes and helicopters were not destroyed. So Orion will not increase the combat capabilities of aviation to destroy the barmaley, but will preserve the flight resource of manned aircraft.
This is probably more correct to formulate.

[Souchastnik]

Our points of view are converging.
Of course, the tasks have been completed before. And the caliber can be zhahnut, and the Voevoda. But efficiency (although the concept is not specific) will increase significantly.
And in adverse weather conditions and in low light conditions, it is better to use UAVs than conventional aviation.

[bayard]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The fact that the time of the barrage is increasing, apparently did not reach the observer.

The drone has a low speed, therefore, to reduce the response time to a threat, the home airfield was placed closer to a possible theater of operations. And of course the loitering time increased.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: bayard

response time to threat

I didn't even mention it, of course!

[Bradley]

Finally, we have an attack UAV. This is good news.

[A. Privalov]

If the Orion UAVs took off from the Khmeimim airbase, they would lose a large percentage of their resources for approaching the territory that was ultimately attacked from the air.

What resource are you talking about?
What can you lose on approach?

[Victor_B]

Quote: A. Privalov

What resource are you talking about?
What can you lose on approach?

Time!
Their speed is nothing at all.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Victor_B

Time!
Their speed is nothing at all.

This device, even in its worst export configuration, can fly for 24 hours at a speed of 200 km / h. Apparently, there is another reason: the short range of use. Up to 300 km with all the tricks. For comparison: the old Hermes work for 1000 km.

[ccsr]

Quote: A. Privalov

This device, even in its worst export configuration, can fly for 24 hours at a speed of 200 km / h. Apparently, there is another reason: the short range of use. Up to 300 km with all the tricks. For comparison: the old Hermes work for 1000 km.

Stop fantasizing, Privalov, because you do not know the true performance characteristics of this device in terms of flight range. And it is quite possible that in this case his flight was due to only direct visibility of radio communications, tk. more expensive satellite control systems were not used. And it's a pity to waste the resource of our intelligence and communications satellites on this region.

[dzvero]

What resource are you talking about?

Possibly engine life. Why drive back and forth to Khmeimim if you can base nearby.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: dzvero

Possibly engine life. Why drive back and forth to Khmeimim if you can base nearby.

In the Syrian conditions, it is possible and closer. It will not be worse. But it's not about the engine resource. Rotax 914 is a tried and tested quality device.

The engine resource before the first overhaul, as well as the overhaul life - 2000 engine hours or 15 years of operation.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: A. Privalov

Rotax 914 is a tried and tested quality device.

There is no original Rotax. I will quote comrade Donavi49:

Quote: donavi49

You wrote it like this is a secret neutron-active engine. This is suddenly also Rotax (910-914) - only in reverse engineering and refinement for the possibility of production at a Russian enterprise and subcontractors. The Chinese version in general. However, this is a real breakthrough decision and who issued such a topic is worthy of state awards and prizes from Putin's hands.

The problem is that they have been suffering with him for 8 years. And they want to hand over the state at 21-22. But so far there are serious problems with the engine and they are being finalized - this is the head of the enterprise, if anything. And then after strengthening from CIAM and full involvement of the Itlan center (Rybinsk).

- Continuing to move upward in increasing the dimension of the UAV, let's move on to the MALE-class. How did the engine turn out APD-115T for the Orion UAV? What can you tell about it?
— The base of the APD-115T for the Orion UAV is an imported analogue, modified by domestic turbocharging units and an engine management system.

As part of preliminary tests, we worked out the initial resource before the first repair (150 hours with a factor of 1,2) on three engines and revealed a number of defects that, before the engines were presented for state bench tests need to be eliminated.

The first engine was made on the basis of a foreign aircraft internal combustion engine with a capacity of 100 hp. By itself, this is a good engine with a decent resource. But according to the terms of reference, it is not suitable for our tasks. First of all, because of the element base (sensors, actuators, connectors) used on the engine.

When we were just connected to work, at CIAM he stood at the stand with the turbine already installed, but did not give the required parameters. Engine control unit (ECU) made in the USA did not allow the engine to operate in turbocharging mode: the control system did not understand that there was an increased air consumption, and got up to self-locking... The adjustment tables were closed.

When the bench tests of the KO-2 variant began, problems with sensors, actuators, ignition coils, electrical wiring, including connectors began to appear.

The main problem was the transition to 27V power supply. The motor was originally designed for a nominal voltage of 12V, which is unacceptable according to our regulatory framework.

And so, after about 50 hours of engine operation in bench conditions, deficiencies begin to appear. Of the most critical, piston rings sink, the piston edge burns, and so on.

well, etc.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

There is no original Rotax. I will quote comrade Donavi49:

Everything is possible. The arguments are serious. I have not looked into such depths. My conclusions are more speculative. Thanks for the detailed explanation.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Thanks to Donavi49, one of the rare commentators of which I specifically read. His awareness is surprising; it feels like a couple of analysts are working for him.

[dzvero]

Then I don’t know ... Maybe the journalist screwed up about the resource to show his technical glamor (they say, look at what words I know) or just to expose Orion as an imperfection, assembled on his knee.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: dzvero

or just to expose Orion as an imperfect, assembled on his knee.

That is unlikely. The drone turned out to be quite decent, with a bunch of opportunities for upgrading, which will only benefit it over time.

[sabakina]

Quote: A. Privalov

What resource are you talking about?
What can you lose on approach?

So it says in black in Russian: RE-SURS! Even I got it!

[Zaurbek]

Engine resource, fuel, target time .....

[Kyodza]

Is Itlan extending the resource only on the basis of the operator's data, according to a memo (besides, as they wrote on the MO website, it became a Rhjyinflnf unit)? cheap and affordable gasoline B-91/115 (in comparison with 100LL). The time above the target is already up to 24 hours, much more. Moreover, when performing the shock function, this is not the main thing - there are only two suspension points, but in the video there is only one, for OFAB-100. You still have to sit down.

The reason is something else. Most likely tactical, not technical.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: A. Privalov

What resource are you talking about?
What can you lose on approach?

Good afternoon!
As I wrote before, they pull from various publications and present them. that these are the events of today. THIS IS A REVIEW OF PAST EVENTS.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39381/russia-provides-a-glimpse-of-its-orion-drone-executing-combat-trials-in-syria
https://www.jpost.com/international/video-shows-russian-armed-drones-were-used-in-syria-in-recent-years-660020
But this is new.
The Russian military in Syria are leaving the T4 base, previously due to the threat of an attack from Israel. As it became known to "Region online", the Russian part is taking out weapons, equipment and ammunition from the base. Again, preliminary, the new location of the army is an airfield on the outskirts of the city of Kamyshly.
- Israel has repeatedly attacked the T4 base, which means that the Russian military has always remained at risk. Obviously, this led to the decision to change the place of deployment, - military experts of the Russian Federation suggest.

[A. Privalov]

Take care, Vitaly, your nerves and do not waste beads. I've been here for years already they have stakes on their heads, but it's no use.

[cniza]

The author points out that if the Orion UAVs took off from the Khmeimim airbase, they would lose a large percentage of the resource for approaching the territory that was ultimately attacked from the air.

Strange conclusions and conclusions ...

[rocket757]

Welcome
Perhaps there are translation problems, but we can really hint that the engines of our UAVs have a small resource ...
So that is correct, the closer to the control zone, the faster you can influence, do your "work".

[cniza]

Maybe we are guessing on the coffee grounds, but if he is a scout, he must be in the air for a long time ...

[rocket757]

Our military knows better ... we accept it as it is.

[cniza]

Yes, we are okay, what our "partners" are shaking ...

[rocket757]

So it's business for us to do and "scratch" shakes for someone?
Pf-e on them, from a great height.

[rocket757]

The Western media also speculate about the relative number of Orions' military uses against militants in Syria. It is noted that the strikes were applied repeatedly

It is also necessary to gain experience, this is obvious.

[cniza]

Yes, we did not develop drummers for a long time, now we are catching up ...

[rocket757]

General tendencies, they should not be ignored if there are no more necessary solutions on this topic.

[cniza]

So it's not worth lagging behind, as we at one time ...

[Narak-zempo]

However, 38 stars on the fuselage - this is how much he managed to hammer there! More abruptly than any "byteractor".
Or do they just draw an asterisk for each flight?
In general, I wonder what principle is used to award drone operators?
An attack aircraft or a fighter with such a "constellation" would have long been a Hero of Russia.

[Grits]

Quote: Narak-zempo

However, 38 stars on the fuselage - this is how much he managed to hammer there!

From the video, it became clear that the letter R is a reconnaissance flight, B is a combat one. So he put in a little less than the number of stars. The letter P is not clear - is it really a "full arctic fox"?

[Kyodza]

In a combat zone, every sortie is a combat mission.
B - bombing, P - launch (= strike, because Orion not only has bombs, judging by the video).

[Petio]

P-start or backlight if illuminated for Krasnopol, for example, or Su-35 for KAB-1500

[Roma 1977]

Most of the sorties - reconnaissance and target designation, direct defeat from the UAV - a few units. In Soviet times, an attack aircraft was designated with one asterisk per 10 sorties.

[Boris63]

The "Kronstadt" company "plows" (by UAV) without days off and holidays (the son works there) ...

[Zaurbek]

A lot of them are needed ....... the size of Orion and the next standard size - workhorses .... they have the bulk of the work.

[ccsr]

We will remind that earlier it was reported about at least 30 strikes inflicted by the Russian Aerospace Forces on ISIS militants in the mentioned zone of control. It is now assumed that the strikes were also delivered using the aforementioned Orions.

Well, what will our "all-propals" say now, screaming that we have no UAVs and we are hopelessly behind the United States and Israel?

[leks]

Quote: Old Tanker

And without the Orions, they can’t arrange a kapets Su-25, Su-24, Su-34? Yes, and "Calibers" can be pushed up.

The attack aircraft is not constantly in the air, they fly out only according to confirmed intelligence data, and then they do not always have time to cover the manpower. Calibers, what do you order to use for each warehouse and group of militants? It will be a little expensive if yours.
An UAV with a weapon on board is a blow as soon as it is detected and confirmed, and they can hang around the clock over the battle zone.
They also calmly highlight the target for artillery.

[mmaxx]

They don't even really know which base the drone flew from!