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"Sports neutrality under the white flag": The network discusses footage with draped symbols of the Russian Federation at international competitions

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Big sport is finally slipping into the political plane. This is primarily due to attempts to discredit Russian athletes and prohibit them from performing under the Russian flag. For some time now, various committees (including the IOC), calling themselves "fighting for equality in sports", have adopted new decisions, within the framework of which Russian athletes at major international competitions (for example, world championships in various sports) are prohibited from not just playing under the tricolor of the Russian Federation, wear a uniform with state symbols of the Russian Federation, but even publish photos with this kind of symbols from these competitions on social networks. This is called "sports neutrality". Neutrality under the white flag ...


For obvious reasons, this is only aimed at once again delivering a kind of political blow to Russia, belittling the huge role of our sport. In such a situation, the competition itself sometimes turns into a farce. And the rewarding of Russian athletes refers to the early 1990s, when instead of the anthem, which at that time our country, which acted as the "CIS national team" after the collapse of the USSR, had not yet appeared, they played "The Love for Three Oranges" by Sergei Prokofiev, then fragments of works by P I. Tchaikovsky. Today, an indistinct (often white) flag of sports federations appears over Russian athletes.

The network is actively discussing a video filmed by Russian athletes in the German Obersdorf. The absurdity is that even the vans with the equipment of the Russian team were obliged by the organizers of the tournament to be covered with tarpaulins and glued so that neither Russian paraphernalia nor the words "Russia" could be seen.

"Sports neutrality under the white flag": The network discusses footage with draped symbols of the Russian Federation at international competitions

Where the cars could not be closed entirely, they decided to cover up the name of our country with black tape. The word "Russia" is also glued with black tape on the tracksuits of Russian athletes.



Of course, this causes obvious irritation from the fans. Many people accuse the athletes themselves that, having shown "toothlessness", they themselves decided to perform in this format - without a flag, anthem and even the name of the country. According to some fans, this can be considered at least disrespect for state symbols, and in order to show such respect, you can arrange a demarche and enter the competition in a normal form, under your own flag, or simply withdraw from the competition: “If you don't want a fair fight, compete themselves: with Norwegian "asthmatics" and other persons who are unable to do without special medications according to the "certificate from the attending physician."

However, at the moment, not a single Russian athlete has withdrawn from the competition. Usually the reasoning is as follows: we have been preparing for the competition for a long time, wasting our efforts and resources, and you can cheer for us in any case, in any form, under any flag. In this regard, it can be assumed that the Western "friends of Russia" will not stop there. Seeing that Russian sports officials are ready to swallow any insult (and what is sticking of national symbols, if not an insult?), There is almost 100% confidence that the pressure will not only continue, but also grow. Suffice it to recall how it began - with accusations from Mr. Rodchenkov, who, as it turned out, himself brought in obscure drugs from abroad and offered them to our athletes for use. 6-7 years have passed since then. The Russian anti-doping structure was placed "under the authority" of the British anti-doping structure. But nothing has changed for the athletes. Directives on the need to speak under white rags continue to come in orderly. At the same time, in the West, no one even tries to explain, but now why ... Did the British oversight really fail? And if he managed, how long will this profanation and politicization of sports last.

In fact, the answer is simple. This will last exactly as long as Russia itself is disrespectful to itself, to its citizens, as long as officials play games called "they are our reliable partners," until we ourselves have cease to hang and drape monuments stories... So it turns out, if we do not respect ourselves, it is foolish to expect respect from others - be it sports, politics, "social" or something else.
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  1. Flooding
    Flooding 22 February 2021 15: 06
    +38
    Responsible officials from sports on the soap.
    I feel sorry for the athletes.
    But the state is more pitiful.
    So look for private sponsors, but the state owes you nothing in this situation.
    1. mark1
      mark1 22 February 2021 15: 23
      +60
      Quote: Flood
      I feel sorry for the athletes.

      Why pity them then. Not with a shovel, not a paddle, they cannot be driven out of sport. I would not be surprised if they go under the rainbow flag and even demand understanding.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 22 February 2021 15: 27
        -87%
        Well, here's how to be, even the communists taught the people to love this bourgeois toy - the Olympic Games and World Championships, and now the athletes are humiliated.
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 22 February 2021 15: 45
          +66
          Again the communists are to blame? smile How is that daughter-in-law? smile
          Today's generation of athletes was born and raised after the collapse of the USSR. Don't blame the communists for the usual venality.
          1. Machito
            Machito 22 February 2021 17: 36
            +53
            Quote: Hlavaty
            Again the communists are to blame? smile How is that daughter-in-law? smile
            Today's generation of athletes was born and raised after the collapse of the USSR. Don't blame the communists for the usual venality.

            Athletes act on behalf of the country, but are ashamed of its flag and anthem for the sake of money. Maybe they are better off playing under the dollar flag?
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 22 February 2021 21: 07
              +25
              Quote: Bearded
              Maybe they are better off playing under the dollar flag?

              Moreover, when the goal of the competition is not the prestige of the country, but dollars.
              1. dauria
                dauria 23 February 2021 00: 02
                +8
                Moreover, when the goal of the competition is not the prestige of the country, but dollars.


                Do you know what came into your head? That Lyosha Navalny is a frank fool .. laughing In a topic for real discontent, the field is not plowed. And most importantly - no need to lie. Lay out the truth-womb, what, where, how much and to whom. There, after all, such money is spinning that the salaries of athletes are so small things, an artist's fee.
                If there were no money, everyone would have remembered "patriotism" in no time. From the president to Abramovich himself laughing
                At this point, half of the country would definitely have gone mad, "Well, you creatures, you are thumping for money on your knees ..."
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 23 February 2021 04: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: dauria
                  Do you know what came into your head? That Lyosha Navalny is a frank fool .. laughing In a topic for real discontent, the field is not plowed

                  So it is unnecessary, first of all, for the mistresses of Lesha N., so that patriotism in Russia would be remembered.
            2. anykin
              anykin 23 February 2021 01: 08
              -6
              Quote: Bearded
              Maybe they are better off playing under the dollar flag?

              War is like war. On enemy territory, only disguise.
            3. ANB
              ANB 23 February 2021 16: 12
              +5
              .
              Athletes act on behalf of the country

              Rather, for the money of the country.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 22 February 2021 16: 05
          -3
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          Olympic Games and World Championships,

          How is it "taught to love"?
          Can I learn more?
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 22 February 2021 16: 30
            -53%
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Can I learn more?

            On April 23, 1951, the USSR Olympic Committee was established. On May 7, 1951, at the 46th session of the IOC in Vienna, the Soviet Union was admitted to the membership of the International Olympic Committee. It was then that the communists agreed to play their game with the bourgeois sharpers. And away we go.
            1. victor50
              victor50 22 February 2021 17: 44
              +26
              Quote: Bashkirkhan
              It was then that the communists agreed to play their game with the bourgeois sharpers.

              And win! What kindred bourgeois from the Russian Federation are not able to do. laughing
            2. nikvic46
              nikvic46 23 February 2021 07: 30
              +10
              Bashkirkhan. If you do not know the history of the Olympic movement, you can write anything. At that time, professionals did not take part in the Olympic Games. Even the footballers who participated in the national and world championships could not take part in O, I, It was professionalism that broke this whole built system.
        3. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 22 February 2021 16: 22
          +49
          I am categorically against the performance of our athletes under the white flag.

          I find excuses about preparation and waste of time shameful.

          I think it's best not to play by the enemy's rules at all.

          And I am for the development of mass sports.
          1. Destiny
            Destiny 22 February 2021 16: 53
            +37
            I agree that a child could go to any sport for free in any section, and now not all parents have the money to collect him there.
            1. Rurikovich
              Rurikovich 23 February 2021 06: 48
              +10
              Uh-huh, we have built ice palaces in almost every regional center, and salaries do not allow parents to send their children to sections. And here is an example from a recent one - a fairly decent enterprise has a program for the construction of children's football grounds. Several of them are riveted in the regional centers of the country. Well, like, what would the kids play football. So, after the grand opening of such a one in one regional center, it was surrounded by a high netting, and a castle was hung. And then only bureaucrats are shown - look how we care about sports ...
              1. boni592807
                boni592807 23 February 2021 18: 41
                +2
                Ryurikovich (Andrey Nikolaevich), Today, 06:48, NEW -
                ... So, after the grand opening of such a one in one regional center, it was surrounded by a high netting, and a castle was hung. And then only bureaucrats are shown - look how we care about sports ...

                If only new, and then school stadiums, especially Soviet ones, where the entire district (md) gathered - when to play from adults to house teams. The kids walked with their mothers and strollers. The old men were walking. Now everything is packed with cars, caring for the population is the provision of parking lots. About the fact that at what distance from schools, residential buildings, playgrounds and stadiums, for example, cars should be, silence or control structures cannot be broken. Sanitary standards for .... forgotten. crying
                At first they said that it was a concern for cleanliness, then from terrorists, and now they are empty almost all year ...
                Specifically about "our" athletes, who are ready to give up the flag, anthem and the Motherland itself (if this is true with black tape - "Russia"). What else to talk about, the following on the list "sent" their old people - parents and "control" to a friend ... ie ... "Nothing personal, just business ..." bully
                I think so... hi
              2. Mikhail m
                Mikhail m 24 February 2021 11: 35
                -2
                Quote: Rurikovich
                one pretty decent company has a program

                Quote: Rurikovich
                after the grand opening in one regional center

                And like flies, here and there
                Rumors go home
                And the coarse-toothed old women carry them through the minds
                They are carried through the minds
                1. Rurikovich
                  Rurikovich 24 February 2021 14: 29
                  0
                  Uh-huh, only this enterprise is located in my city, and I made the platform financed by it with my own hands, therefore a minus wink yes
                  1. Mikhail m
                    Mikhail m 24 February 2021 18: 11
                    0

                    And I don't care about cons.
                    1. Rurikovich
                      Rurikovich 24 February 2021 20: 30
                      0
                      https://turovmilk.by/news/news/bonfesto_children_in_kokhanovo/

                      Maybe they are not everywhere, access to them is limited, but there are places where fields are locked, so as not to destroy the high-quality artificial turf with children's feet. I will not name the regional center for the sake of hidden advertising.
                      PS Cons to me, too, do not care. Sometimes you have to believe tongue
              3. kakvastam
                kakvastam 27 February 2021 14: 12
                0
                In Moscow, this is even better - Sobyanin lifted Luzhkov's ban on infinity buildings, now high-rise buildings are being stuck in place of hockey rinks.
          2. victor50
            victor50 22 February 2021 17: 48
            +15
            Quote: Ilya-spb
            I am categorically against the performance of our athletes under the white flag.

            I find excuses about preparation and waste of time shameful.

            I think it's best not to play by the enemy's rules at all.

            And I am for the development of mass sports.

            The state must abandon this humiliating show! And the athletes, if they are unbearable, can perform in private, then Russia will not have any humiliation, there will be nothing to peck. But considering how many of our sports stars live in the United States, for example, I doubt that they (many of them) are so worried about these circumstances.
        4. paul3390
          paul3390 22 February 2021 16: 47
          +38
          Well, here's how to be, even the communists taught the people to love this bourgeois toy - the Olympic Games and World Championships, and now the athletes are humiliated.

          Exactly. It was Lenin personally who planted the atomic bomb for our Olympic sport. Turning it 100 years later - into an indescribable disgrace on a national scale. And before him - the Polovtsy with the Pechenegs, which maliciously prevented the Russians from improving their sports skills .. Well - and of course the USSR, except for galoshes - which failed to provide sports with anything useful ..

          So our country, under the wise leadership of the adored guarantor - in my opinion, even in the holy 90s, they did not humiliate .. This is generally beyond all that is possible. But apparently - only we, those who pay for these types of athletes, consider this a humiliation. They themselves, as well as the top - think that everything is in order, you can safely wipe your mug from savory spitting and pretend that from the citadel of democracy - and spitting is not very shameful .. Ugh. What an abomination ..
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 22 February 2021 21: 57
            +7
            Quote: paul3390
            So our country, under the wise leadership of the adored guarantor - in my opinion, even in the holy 90s was not humiliated ..

            Humiliation is when they are deleted from the global industry, as in the 90s from the global aircraft industry or from space, for example. You just didn't see any problems behind the forest tree. Sport, in fact, is just a very financial and corruption-intensive spectacle. A certain stratum of elite athletes and the organizational and economic apparatus in the field of international competitions has formed, which makes a lot of money in this industry. Plus, the population brought up a lyrical piety for gold medals at the World Cup and Olympic Games. And as an inert and conservative entity, the people do not want to shift their interest from international competitions of professional athletes to mass sports and domestic competitions. The management, while pandering to the majority opinion, is also not inclined to make sudden movements. But I think the time has come for a strategic decision. We must stop state funding for all these international entertainment. Of course, there will be a sharp drop in interest in sports at first. But on the whole it is necessary to revive the amateurs' Olympics. No harm to the national economy from reducing the number of professional runners, jumpers, etc. will not happen. Let them go to the real economy. Any rabble should be sent there, such as bloggers and non-journalists ... That would be useful.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 23 February 2021 10: 39
              +8
              No harm to the national economy from reducing the number of professional runners, jumpers, etc. will not happen.

              Well, you give. And in the thought, then - who to recruit ??
              1. Taga
                Taga 24 February 2021 09: 54
                0
                What, we have few artists?
            2. ANB
              ANB 23 February 2021 16: 18
              +1
              ... Plus, the population brought up a lyrical piety for gold medals at the World Cup and Olympic Games. And as an inert and conservative entity, the people do not want to shift their interest from international competitions of professional athletes to mass sports and domestic competitions

              A referendum on this issue would not hurt. It may well be that the majority have already shifted their interest in mass sports. Only now it is not so easy to drive sports managers who have stuck to the budget from warm places.
              Personally, I am not interested in the sport of high achievements.
              As well as the pain with beer.
              If you like soccer or hockey, come out and play.
      2. Destiny
        Destiny 22 February 2021 15: 27
        +27
        Of course, they will demand to treat with understanding. Let them do whatever they want to pay for their own or sponsors' money, even if they act under the rainbow, really.
      3. codetalker
        codetalker 22 February 2021 15: 43
        +26
        I, too, do not understand this pity for the athletes. This is where we are all indignant about the prohibitions of the flag / anthem ... And they are fine, apparently. No one even thought to be indignant that they are personally treated (not even about patriotism) as second class. They agree, go, and get very upset when they are not invited. And those who even dared to speak out that it is impossible to take part in this, the sports community immediately begins to bite.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 22 February 2021 16: 01
          +44
          Quote: codetalker
          I, too, do not understand this pity for the athletes. This is where we are all indignant about the prohibitions of the flag / anthem ...

          What pity can there be for athletes? You read the article. The author very lucidly explained that first they choose shame, and only then they carry the ROA flags and hide the portraits of the Supreme Commander, decide to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the Victory in June and drape the Mausoleum from which the Supreme Commander of the Red Army leaves to defend Moscow. White flags, neutral uniforms, keeping foreign athletes for Russian money, exchanging gold for loyalty ...
          Someone would have died to end this shame.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 22 February 2021 16: 26
            -12%
            Look how everyone has seized on politics.
            Doesn't anyone care about the state of Russian sports itself? We will, of course, watch the races, biathlon and jumping.
            But the Biathlon World Cup in Pokljuka has just ended. The bottom line?
            The last place of Russia in the medal standings. Together with Belarus and Ukraine. If not for the bronze in the relay, then the shame of 2016 would be repeated, when the Russian team was left without any medals at all.
            So maybe we should do less politicization of sports? And more time and money to devote to the sport itself?
            Is symbolism more important to us? Or the problems of sports in Russia?
            1. Ivan Shcherbakov
              Ivan Shcherbakov 22 February 2021 19: 25
              +4
              And such a sport is needed and for what
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 22 February 2021 19: 47
              +8
              Quote: Cosm22
              Doesn't anyone care about the state of Russian sports itself?

              Interests, but only in the context of mass sports accessible to the WHOLE population, with free gyms and coaches. And the fate of millionaires, who are struggling for the sake of money all their lives to earn more money, are absolutely indifferent to me. So do not confuse the interests of millionaire athletes and the interests of all other citizens of Russia - these are antagonistic classes by definition of Marx, which means that there can be no unity.
              Quote: Cosm22
              But the Biathlon World Cup in Pokljuka has just ended. The bottom line?

              And what did the result of these competitions give you personally, or did it become easier for our citizens?
              Quote: Cosm22
              So maybe we should do less politicization of sports? And more time and money to devote to the sport itself?

              Of course, we need to devote more time to sports as a mass event for all citizens of the country, and not to use sports as a feeding trough for functionaries and a couple of hundred participants in international competitions.
              Quote: Cosm22
              Is symbolism more important to us? Or the problems of sports in Russia?

              Symbolism is more important to us, especially since it has nothing to do with the problems of sports in our country. What makes you think that the problems of sports in Russia are associated only with the participation of our athletes in international competitions? You are not looking for them there ...
          2. codetalker
            codetalker 22 February 2021 16: 41
            +11
            What pity for athletes can there be? You read the article.

            This is all clear and correct, nevertheless the opinion is still quite widely represented: "oh poor, unhappy athletes, etc., why should they take the rap for the poor work of sports officials." I do not make excuses for sports officials, but it turns out that athletes, within their capabilities, do the same thing as those officials - they betray and sell their homeland.
          3. lis-ik
            lis-ik 22 February 2021 18: 48
            +11
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Someone would have died to end this shame.

            There are too many people to die there, there is a whole clique of friends and associates, they themselves will not be honored at once.
      4. prior
        prior 22 February 2021 16: 22
        +36
        This is not a country if it allows you to mock your own anthem and coat of arms.
        These are not athletes who allow them to mock the coat of arms and anthem of their country.
        This is not a president who allows his athletes to mock the coat of arms and anthem of their country.
        This is a pack of traitors to their country.
      5. Svarog
        Svarog 22 February 2021 16: 25
        -27%
        Quote: mark1
        Why pity them then.

        Athletes are people who, from childhood, are focused on results and then achieve them. It is not their fault that this is the system. And their age is not long, then it is difficult to find yourself in life.
        1. mark1
          mark1 22 February 2021 16: 28
          +19
          Quote: Svarog
          Athletes people

          That's it. In addition to the sport of instinct, they should also have self-esteem and love for the Motherland.
          then it is difficult to find yourself in life.

          And for whom it is easy now (maybe it's the money?)
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 22 February 2021 16: 30
            -11%
            Quote: mark1
            Quote: Svarog
            Athletes people

            That's it. In addition to the sport of instinct, they should also have self-esteem and love for the Motherland.

            Not for them, but for officials, officials will have this feeling, and athletes will have this feeling, the fish rots from the head.
            1. mark1
              mark1 22 February 2021 16: 41
              +5
              Quote: Svarog
              officials will have this feeling, athletes will have it too,

              You really keep them for the cattle. But as you yourself said - "athletes are people" therefore they can establish moral principles for themselves (adult uncles and aunts) and not with the help of someone's training.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 22 February 2021 16: 46
                -13%
                Quote: mark1
                But as you yourself said - "athletes are people" therefore they can establish moral principles for themselves (adult uncles and aunts) and not with the help of someone's training.

                Athletes are addicted people. Strongly dependent on sports officials. The person was sent to sports and all his childhood and youth passed in the sweat of his brow .. he achieved results .. The athlete will not be full of moral principles, we live in capitalism, and then there is no need to remember morality at all .. and the athlete's age is very short, he cannot be in sports, to the grave, like our politicians. Therefore, one needs to look for morality in a welfare state ...
                1. mark1
                  mark1 22 February 2021 16: 53
                  +6
                  Quote: Svarog
                  The athlete will not be full of moral principles,

                  Then let him take a shovel and go to dig (you can dig a lot - in the garden, on the counter, in the cemetery, look for treasure in the end).
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 22 February 2021 16: 56
                    -7
                    Quote: mark1
                    Quote: Svarog
                    The athlete will not be full of moral principles,

                    Then let him take a shovel and go to dig (you can dig a lot - in the garden, on the counter, in the cemetery, look for treasure in the end).

                    Well, yes ... if teachers are paid little, let them go into business ... and then the same logic can be traced ..
                    1. mark1
                      mark1 22 February 2021 17: 04
                      +7
                      Quote: Svarog
                      Well, yes ... if teachers are paid little, let them go into business

                      Teachers are useful members of society (if they want business honor and respect) Athletes are like canaries. Some have the task of tweeting beautifully to the delight of the owners and for this they are fed and kept warm and bright, while others have the task of running far, jumping high for the joy of the country that feeds them and keeps them warm and bright. If you are not satisfied with this alignment, then some can fly to the pampas and others in a clear field to courtyards (or let them change the owner)
                      1. kin
                        kin 22 February 2021 18: 25
                        -6
                        Are you out of your mind? You are far from sports with your fantasies.
                      2. mark1
                        mark1 22 February 2021 18: 38
                        +11
                        Yes, I have no fantasies. My view is real and pragmatic. Sport is a business, it is a commodity whose true surplus value can only be the health of the nation and the prestige of the state. Everything else is surplus value is extremely relative and questionable and is basically just a pumping of not small money (I would say money).
                  2. Oleg Monarchist
                    Oleg Monarchist 24 February 2021 11: 36
                    +2
                    Khimki head coach Sergei Juran: If I take Zenit, Lokomotiv, Spartak, Krasnodar, there are 1,5-2 million... And if you got in "Tambov" 200 thousand rubles a month, will this salary be enough for you? If you also feed your family and pay for utilities and taxes? It turns out that it is problematic to live a month. If the Tambov footballer, who receives 200 thousand rubles, agrees to a 50% reduction, even 40%, he will receive 90 thousand, 100 thousand. With less taxes. And what should he do in such a situation? He will barely make ends meet, ”Juran said in an interview with Pravda.ru.

                    Poor and unhappy athletes ??? Are you looking!
              2. Hypertension
                Hypertension 22 February 2021 17: 17
                +8
                Quote: Svarog
                and the age of an athlete is very short, he cannot be in sports, to the grave, like our politicians.

                In fairness, athletes can then go to the deputies. The same State Duma has enough of them.
                The problem must be addressed in a comprehensive manner. And athletes should respect their country and make some career sacrifices, if anything happens. And the government must protect the honor of the country and its representatives on international platforms.
                There was a precedent in the union when they did not go to the Olympics and held their own competitions. As a result: they did not lose their face, and the athletes did not lose their skills until they returned to the Olympics.
              3. Flooding
                Flooding 22 February 2021 21: 36
                +6
                Quote: Svarog
                Athletes addicted people

                All people are addicted to something and someone.
                Quote: Svarog
                The athlete will not be full of moral principles, we live in capitalism and here we don't have to remember about morality at all

                True, no morality is needed.
                Purely businesslike approach.
                Are you playing for the country? Not?
                With what fright the country should spend money on you? Walk into your bright sports future.
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 22 February 2021 16: 39
          +13
          Quote: mark1
          In addition to sport instinct, they should also have self-esteem and love to motherland.

          yes
          Hey goalkeeper, get ready for the fight -
          Sentinel you are set at the gate!
          Imagine what is behind you
          The border line is coming!
          1. iouris
            iouris 23 February 2021 16: 44
            0
            This is what real people do when they try to humiliate the flag:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYsz7ZXeJes
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 22 February 2021 19: 59
          -10%
          Oha. Of course. From the couch, without risking anything, you can safely urge others to die for the Motherland, risk health and career. We have capitalism now, if you don't know. And nobody needs you except yourself.
          1. mark1
            mark1 22 February 2021 20: 06
            +12
            But who is calling you to die? They just tell you that you are fucking not needed in the capacity in which you now represent our country. And so please - run, jump, earn according to capitalist rates, only personally, without humiliating my country and not at my expense
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 22 February 2021 20: 09
              -2
              Well, then you must understand that it is not you who decide. And nobody cares about your opinion. In the Russian Federation capitalism, the ruling class of the bourgeoisie, as it decides it will be so. And you can be indignant as much as you want, but there will be no sense from this.
      6. Ua3qhp
        Ua3qhp 23 February 2021 08: 30
        +3
        Big sport is show business.
        I believe that it is necessary to stop funding big sports altogether, only for children.
        If you want to continue working professionally, look for sponsors without state participation and go ahead.
      7. zenion
        zenion 23 February 2021 16: 08
        +1
        Svarog (Vladimir). Once they are covering up the Mausoleum, cover the athletes.
    2. Cosm22
      Cosm22 22 February 2021 17: 20
      +1
      "Why pity them then." Yeah ...
      What would you personally do in the place of Russian athletes?
      Not arguing from the couch, but being exactly in their place?
      Today we need to prepare for international sports success even in childhood or early adolescence. Deny yourself many things. Exhaust yourself with hours of training. Completely devote yourself to sports.
      And now comes the moment for which I have been preparing for many years. For example, World Cup.
      And then it turns out that the country in which you trained and whose honor you were preparing to defend came under sanctions (we will not find out now for what reasons).
      What should an athlete do? And he has only two outputs.
      Or fly under a neutral flag.
      Or go to perform abroad, having committed a betrayal in relation to their homeland.
      No, you can, of course, spit on everything. Forget about wasted energy, years of training, rejections in your personal life. Leave the sport altogether and go to the factory to grind nuts.
      But will this be true for the athlete himself? Is it his fault that there is a specific attitude towards Russia today and in the sports sphere? His fault?
      Or is it the fault of the sportsmen and the country's political leadership?
      And so, yes ... really, why feel sorry for him, an athlete ... I knew what I was doing.
      But the fact of the matter is that I did not know. Nobody could have imagined such an outcome.
      1. mark1
        mark1 22 February 2021 17: 26
        +3
        Quote: Cosm22
        Or fly under a neutral flag.
        Or go to perform abroad, having committed a betrayal in relation to their homeland.

        What do you think is the greatest betrayal, Mr. Athlete?
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 22 February 2021 17: 40
          +5
          In this particular case, traveling abroad. This will be a betrayal.
          You apparently have a different point of view. Well, to each his own. Including opinion.
          1. mark1
            mark1 22 February 2021 18: 03
            +4
            If you love your country, Mr. Athlete, you will never allow yourself to humiliate it with a white flag and black tape.
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 22 February 2021 19: 19
              +9
              Let me ask myself a question - am I personally humiliating the country with a white flag?
              Or is it a particular athlete doing it?
              Or is it the fault of other people in what is happening?
              By the way, my attitude to earnings in today's sports is negative. I do not believe that an athlete or a pop singer needs to be paid orders of magnitude more than a laborer for a machine tool or a miner.
              But what can the athletes be accused of today regarding the current situation? They are placed in conditions from which there is no way out. Moreover, they themselves did not put themselves in them. Once again, they were installed. Other uncles and aunts. But for some reason their names are not announced.
              And all the fuss goes in the comments about the ugly behavior of athletes. By the way, people are probably very far from sports.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 February 2021 18: 02
        +6
        What would you personally do in the place of Russian athletes?
        Famously you translate arrows like you. The leaders of the country must do it personally.
      3. Siberian54
        Siberian54 22 February 2021 18: 08
        +7
        Let him go at his own expense! Why should I pay him?
      4. 72jora72
        72jora72 23 February 2021 07: 38
        +9
        And then it turns out that the country in which you trained and whose honor you were preparing to defend came under sanctions (we will not find out now for what reasons).
        What should an athlete do? And he has only two outputs.
        And then it turns out that your country was attacked by an enemy (we will not find out now for what reasons), and you have two choices, to fight the enemy (and this struggle will most likely end in your death) or go to get a job in the occupation administration ... ....
      5. Ua3qhp
        Ua3qhp 23 February 2021 08: 36
        +2
        Today we need to prepare for international sports success even in childhood or early adolescence. Deny yourself many things. Exhaust yourself with hours of training. Completely devote yourself to sports.

        Those. they wanted to earn their living by doing this.
        Earn money, but on your own, without government participation.
  2. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 15: 26
    +28
    Quote: Flood
    Responsible officials from sports on the soap.

    Officials have a boss, remember? wink This is really a shame of the state! Under the Soviet Union, this was even impossible to imagine.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 22 February 2021 15: 40
      +21
      Zyuzya offered to take Soviet flags, that would be a furious blow to foreign spiteful critics. Well, at the same time, a savory slap in the face of toothless hucksters behind a high wall.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 15: 44
        +18
        And the anthem of the USSR! good But for this you need kokoshkas. request
        1. Destiny
          Destiny 22 February 2021 15: 51
          +34
          Igor, this requires a country that respects itself and its athletes
          “To consider the participation of Soviet athletes in the Olympic Games in Los Angeles inappropriate in view of the flagrant violation of the Olympic Charter by the American side

          The Union respected itself and its citizens and did not allow anyone to insult its Flag and Emblem with disrespect.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 15: 59
            +28
            I will not correct the country, but the state and its leader. But he has other tasks and interests. For he declares one thing, but another happens. But guilty as always are the boyars, the bulk-pedal inagents, the West, the State Department, and the Khazars and the Polovtsy. Oh yes, the USSR has forgotten the popular - galosh shoe! wassat
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 22 February 2021 16: 26
          +7
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And the anthem of the USSR! good But for this you need kokoshkas. request

          And they are not .. at Ziu even more so.
        3. Nazar
          Nazar 24 February 2021 02: 51
          +1
          Ingvar 72 - Quote: "And the anthem of the USSR!" - But something similar happened, though for a long time - in the early 90s a bunch of our pop musicians frolicked in Italy and, among other "entertainment", arranged a friendly football match there with their Italian colleagues, the same pop music.
          Before the game, the Italians stood up and sang their anthem, and then we have "CIS" - what to sing? And now, without saying a word, they rushed at full throat "Unbreakable Union ...", rubbed their nose with pasta))
      2. U-58
        U-58 22 February 2021 16: 02
        +9
        Absolutely correct idea.
        Even before the Olympics, my friends and I "drew" a scenario according to which at the moment the team passes, the upper fake clothes are torn off and everyone beholds the Soviet uniform with all the attributes and the corresponding flag.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 22 February 2021 16: 28
          +18
          Quote: U-58
          Absolutely correct idea.
          Even before the Olympics, my friends and I "drew" a scenario according to which at the moment the team passes, the upper fake clothes are torn off and everyone beholds the Soviet uniform with all the attributes and the corresponding flag.

          It would be gorgeous if our athletes were in the uniform of the USSR, but from this idea, officials from the government will have a heart attack ..
          1. Destiny
            Destiny 22 February 2021 16: 37
            +12
            It would be gorgeous if our athletes marched in the uniform of their country, under their own Flag and Emblem, and the Anthem would sound in honor of their victories ... Only we will not see anything of this again, it begins to become a disgusting tradition since 2018 ...
          2. mole
            mole 22 February 2021 21: 31
            +2
            Quote: Svarog

            It would be gorgeous if our athletes were in the uniform of the USSR, but from this idea, officials from the government will have a heart attack ..

            Athletes do not have a heart attack, but our officials are asleep and are "young and promising." Such a heart attack does not shine.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 22 February 2021 20: 07
          +13
          Oha. Is it in a country whose leadership has declared lost Russia its ideal and from the first channel offers to erect monuments to Krasnov? The same one where the Mausoleum is blocked on Victory Day and is trying in every possible way to cut out the connection of this day with the Soviet past, slowly throwing away Soviet symbols? This is extremely naive.
        3. Taga
          Taga 24 February 2021 10: 16
          0
          Why so emphasize the form when the content is not right?
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 22 February 2021 16: 14
      +3
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Officials have a boss, remember?

      We remember, we remember.
      Re-elect Putin and we will live!
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 16: 16
        +10
        You float shallowly along Navalnovsky - you cannot do without changing the formation. wink
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 22 February 2021 16: 19
          -15%
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          You float on Navalnovski

          Well, everything, killed on the spot.
          One apt, albeit shabby word.
          Even if not original, but in fact for all occasions.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 16: 24
            +12
            Quote: Flood
            Well, everything, killed on the spot.

            As I understand it, the Zaputins have, as always, sarcasm instead of answering?
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 22 February 2021 16: 33
              -14%
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              As I understand it, the Zaputins have, as always, sarcasm instead of answering?

              And you catch on the fly. Flies.
              What response did you expect to your tease?
              You are strange. Gave a splash - keep the answer.
              It's sporty.
              It was all under the paragraph once.

              Careful reading of just three (!!!) words would help you understand the context.
              But where there is, we have no time for attentiveness.
              We are making a revolution.
              Quote: Flood
              Re-elect Putin and live

              I will not give you more attempts to figure it out on your own.
              The chance is too great that you will run after the flies again.
              You see the problem in one senior official. I assert that ALL officials should be responsible for what they deserve.
              Regardless of whether Ingvar loves Putin or not.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 20: 17
                +4
                Quote: Flood
                Gave a splash - keep the answer.

                I had a case when the thief I caught ran after the first flop, and when he saw that I had stopped catching up with him, he stopped and began to shout "Coward, coward!" laughing
                Quote: Flood
                Regardless of whether Ingvar loves Putin or not.

                Putin will begin to behave like Stalin - personally kiss his feet.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 22 February 2021 20: 28
                  -5
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  I had a case when the thief I caught ran after the first flop, and when he saw that I had stopped catching up with him, he stopped and began to shout "Coward, coward!"

                  Great story. Is it double bottom? With some hidden meaning?
                  Or just decided to stick out the chest?
                  The pose is valid.
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Putin will begin to behave like Stalin - personally kiss his feet.

                  If you start behaving within the framework of a cultural discussion, I promise to forgive all your nonsense.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 20: 38
                    +6
                    Quote: Flood
                    With some hidden meaning?

                    Damn, you're just an analytic genius! good
                    Quote: Flood
                    The pose is valid.

                    When one protrudes the ribcage, the other bulges the other point. This is an axiom. wink
                    Do you have anything to say about the shame of the athletes?
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 22 February 2021 20: 43
                      -5
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      When one protrudes the ribcage, the other bulges the other point. This is an axiom

                      They also say that every first person on the forums is a seasoned fighter.
                      Everyone has a dozen stories about hooligans in their pockets.
                      Do you think this is possible?
                      It seems like adults, not children.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Do you have anything to say about the shame of the athletes?

                      Topmost comment.
                      What other questions do you have?
                    2. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 20: 58
                      +4
                      Quote: Flood
                      Do you think this is possible?
                      It seems like adults, not children.

                      Have you never fought? I fought often, and I didn't always win. request And so I have no right to speak about the moments where I was the winner?
                      Quote: Flood
                      What other questions do you have?

                      Of course. Who is to blame and what to do. What you offer is akin to the position of a downtrodden rape victim - to wash, sleep, and move on.
                    3. Flooding
                      Flooding 22 February 2021 21: 15
                      -5
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Have you never fought? I fought often, and I didn't always win. And so I have no right to talk about the moments where I was the winner?

                      When is it not interesting to anyone?
                      And even more so, looks funny?
                      You have the right. Just find someone who cares about it.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      What you offer is akin to the position of a downtrodden rape victim - to wash, sleep, and move on.

                      You already have a prescription for rape. And even with beating.
                      And you are still that dreamer. With a twist.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Do you have anything to say about the shame of the athletes?

                      It turned out that I had already answered.
                      No, not satisfied with the answer. Give me another.
                      And there is no other, eat what they give and do not complain.
                    4. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 21: 38
                      +4
                      Quote: Flood
                      When is it not interesting to anyone?

                      Then why did you even start talking about splashing from a knowingly losing position? belay
                      Quote: Flood
                      You already have a prescription for rape.

                      Notice - yours! wink
                      Quote: Flood
                      It turned out that I had already answered.

                      Interjections are not the answer. The diagnosis is clear, the question is in the methods of treatment.
                      The question of who is to blame, and what to do, you prodalized in a Putin way.
                    5. Flooding
                      Flooding 22 February 2021 21: 57
                      -3
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Then why did you even start talking about splashing from a knowingly losing position?

                      that is, it made you think that I wanted to know about how someone, somewhere, was running away from you?
                      you are very wrong
                      you screwed me up with Navalny.
                      it is not clear with what fright.
                      then from above also "zaputinets"
                      I explained to you, as an experienced fist fighter, that sometimes you have to answer for plops.
                      what do you not understand?
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Notice - yours!

                      Yes, you're pretty crazy, buddy.
                      think sometimes before you write.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Interjections are not the answer. The diagnosis is clear, the question is in the methods of treatment.

                      to write so much nonsense at such a record speed - you have to have talent
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      The question of who is to blame, and what to do, you prodalized in a Putin way.

                      listen, you're acting like a pun.
                      not a single practical thought, only cliches
                      "bulk", "zaputin"
                      sort the dump in your head for now
                      I don't have enough time to waste time on rapist maniacs and even fighters with the regime in combination
                      write an urgent complaint
                    6. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 22: 08
                      +3
                      Quote: Flood
                      as an experienced fist fighter

                      I am more of a theorist, receiving more often than giving. repeat
                      Quote: Flood
                      write an urgent complaint

                      During my entire presence here, I have not written a single complaint. wink
                      But in fact you are back in the bushes.
                      Who is to blame, and what to do - weak to answer? wink Without personal transitions? bully
                    7. Flooding
                      Flooding 22 February 2021 22: 11
                      -5
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Who is to blame, and what to do - weak to answer?

                      what can I answer to a person who writes on the VO forum about some kind of rape and beating that bothers his brain?
                      nothing. stay away from me.
                    8. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 22: 14
                      +2
                      Again in the bushes in a zaputinski way. negative
                      Direct question (fourth time) - who is to blame (on the topic of the article), and what to do?
  3. Quadro
    Quadro 22 February 2021 23: 22
    -6
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Flood
    Gave a splash - keep the answer.

    I had a case when the thief I caught ran after the first flop, and when he saw that I had stopped catching up with him, he stopped and began to shout "Coward, coward!" laughing
    Quote: Flood
    Regardless of whether Ingvar loves Putin or not.

    Putin will begin to behave like Stalin - personally kiss his feet.

    You don't even live in Russia, yap, kiss your feet green
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 February 2021 00: 08
      +2
      I live in Togliatti since birth, come, "kiss"! wink
  • sabakina
    sabakina 22 February 2021 15: 43
    +16
    Quote: Flood

    I feel sorry for the athletes.
    What is a pity? The fact that they have no Fatherland? am
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 16: 00
      +10
      The psychology of a corrupt woman, Slava. request
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 22 February 2021 16: 05
      +8
      And they are not the first in this:
  • Svarog
    Svarog 22 February 2021 16: 23
    +13
    Responsible officials from sports on the soap.

    The system is such that it cannot "give birth" to others. Everyone needs soap there.
    So look for private sponsors, but the state owes you nothing in this situation.

    The state owes nothing to anyone, it is only capable of collecting taxes and cutting money from fees .. The state can hardly be called a state when compared with what it was during the Soviet era.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 22 February 2021 16: 51
      +13
      No, these so-called "athletes" who do not care what flag to perform under, they are not "traitors". They are such peculiar "patriots" as those who have villas, bank accounts and relatives are "with sworn partners." Well, this is "such patriotism" in Russia now. "Treat this with understanding." And now we have only one "traitor" - Lesha-Sisyan. Yes .. Traitor. And they are "patriots". Moreover, it is still more humiliating - these "gentlemen" will act, not even under the official name of our Olympic Committee, but under its English abbreviation, to avoid even mentioning the word "Russia". I don't know now what the word "bottom" is. It's even worse. However .... let's rally ... enemies are all around .... the Englishwoman is shitting ..... and Navalny is to blame for everything ... "how is it, at kaklov" .... "do you want it like in the 90s? "
  • nznz
    nznz 22 February 2021 17: 38
    +11
    I remember very well how at some political show like Time will show, a sports guy, now io Gulbernator of the Khabarosk region, yelled, he knows how to yell beautifully with the expression that athletes were preparing and depriving them of the right to perform is the end of the coach. The athlete was also grunting with him, they were both a deputy and a deputy, although we will dress up in striped robes, but we will perform.
    They acted as gray mice. I then thought and today that the athlete could go in private, something I remember is not forbidden, but in the team competition there would be no gathering. Well, there was no need to send, if the athlete won, then it will be clear from Russia. participation not under the flag of the Motherland is a shame ..

    The argument that the athlete trained, well, so what, the whole country is working on the conditions for them .. they could for the sake of the Motherland ... the world of dough has long distorted everything in the mind ..
    For athletes, complexes, conditions - and here Rolina's mother needed support - and the beauties merged
  • mole
    mole 22 February 2021 21: 21
    0
    Quote: Flood
    Responsible officials from sports on the soap.

    Can we "optimize" once again "without soap" we will manage with officials !?
    For example: "Officials - no soap"! ???
    wink
    Once again, the bottom was broken!
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 22 February 2021 23: 00
    0
    Quote: Flood
    Responsible officials from sports on the soap.
    I feel sorry for the athletes.
    .
    I can say about "biathlon" (shooting skiers in the Soviet way) ...
    Biathletes don't have to go to the competition ... anyway there are no medals. (Yes, in the last men's relay race in Obersdorf - 3rd place (bronze), but the number of "prizes" - several medals (of all merits), you can count on the fingers of one hand, for the whole year ... sad )
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 23 February 2021 22: 51
      0
      Wrong - not in Obersdorf - in Pakluk. But the "radish" is not sweeter ...
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 24 February 2021 07: 45
    0
    Everything is much simpler. The Russian anti-doping committee does not comply with the recommended rules. That's all. Finger-pointing "but they eat doping, but they cannot be caught" are not worth a damn, because there pharmacology is at a higher level. If the state accepts the imposed rules, then the athletes will stop winning. And so they took the position of the ostrich. Although the position should be the opposite, the state is removed from cases with the preparation of athletes and cases from the Rusada, and begins criminal prosecution of those who use and distribute doping.
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  • Sergey39
    Sergey39 22 February 2021 15: 07
    -11%
    Since sports officials and the athletes themselves are not able to show will, it remains to wait until the president intervenes.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 22 February 2021 15: 24
      -11%
      the thing is that with such actions the West is trying to set up athletes and their fans against the current president of Russia, than he crossed their path hi
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 22 February 2021 16: 13
        +12
        Quote: VORON538
        the thing is that by such actions the west is trying to set up athletes and their fans against the current president of Russia

        What are these "such actions"? The West, what makes them participate? Themselves choose a shame, with the "President" at the head.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 22 February 2021 16: 19
        +11
        Quote: VORON538
        the west is trying to turn athletes and their fans against the current president of Russia

        You crap, stop fussing ... The President of Russia showed himself in the appointment of all sorts of different positions in Russian sports. Politics became more important than sporting achievements only because Russia agreed to go through stages of humiliation by various IOCs and WADAs.
        The USSR first took part in the Olympic Games 30 years after its formation (1922). Didn't lose much. There are other formats of international competitions where athletes from Russia can show their skills and results.
        Commerce sits in the brains of officials, athletes and even sweepstakes fans. And there was a time when:
    2. user1212
      user1212 22 February 2021 15: 30
      +4
      Quote: Sergey39
      Since sports officials and the athletes themselves are not able to show will, it remains to wait until the president intervenes.

      All sports federations in the Russian Federation are, in fact, commercial companies. The President has no authority to interfere with their work or their relations with international federations. As for the actions that, IMHO, the president should take, it is to prohibit sponsoring or paying for advertising for all legal entities of the Russian Federation in the IOC or international federations for the entire period of sanctions, as well as to ban the symbols of the IOC and international federations, along with a Nazi. They want to receive money for broadcasts (you can't get away from this, contracts are concluded for many years in advance), let them gloss over their symbols too
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 22 February 2021 15: 53
        +6
        Quote: user1212
        All federations of sports in the Russian Federation, in fact, commercial companies.

        But in sports schools it seems that they still teach at the expense of the state, or am I mistaken?
      2. for
        for 22 February 2021 16: 33
        +9
        Quote: user1212
        All sports federations in the Russian Federation are, in fact, commercial companies.

        Both profit and commercial, and loss or expenses, and budget.
        The president has no authority to interfere with their work

        Same as achievements, praise to the president, as failures, but nothing to do with the president.
        "Victory always has many fathers, and defeat is always an orphan"
        1. user1212
          user1212 23 February 2021 07: 08
          -1
          Quote: for
          Same as achievements, praise to the president, as failures, but nothing to do with the president.
          "Victory always has many fathers, and defeat is always an orphan"

          Stalin is also a winner, not the culprit of the boilers
      3. Alf
        Alf 22 February 2021 17: 10
        +18
        Quote: user1212
        The president has no authority to interfere with their work or their relations with international federations.

        You remind me of our Boris55, he has the same song - the president has no right to interfere .. Then the question is, what for is such a president needed?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 22 February 2021 17: 26
          +10
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: user1212
          The president has no authority to interfere with their work or their relations with international federations.

          You remind me of our Boris55, he has the same song - the president has no right to interfere .. Then the question is, what for is such a president needed?

          To fly with Siberian Cranes and find amphorae ... has long been clear wassat
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 24 February 2021 09: 54
          0
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: user1212
          The president has no authority to interfere with their work or their relations with international federations.

          You remind me of our Boris55, he has the same song - the president has no right to interfere .. Then the question is, what for is such a president needed?

          The President should not interfere in sports as long as the affairs of athletes and the Rusada do not overlap with politics, but since the state is interested in the results of athletes, he can only be silent and pretend that it is not necessary
    3. Destiny
      Destiny 22 February 2021 15: 31
      +22
      Quote: Sergey39
      it remains to wait until the president intervenes.

      In 2018, he already outlined his position on this issue, when the head of state rejected the boycott option, noting that athletes "throughout their careers prepare for these starts" and "it is very important for them."
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 22 February 2021 17: 09
        +15
        Quote: Destiny
        athletes “throughout their careers prepare for these starts” and “it is very important for them”.

        Just do not be offended, if that. Until June 22, 1941, millions of Soviet citizens were preparing to become engineers, artists, pilots, poets, teachers, doctors ... And for them it was also very important ... BUT !!! Emergency circumstances called the Great Patriotic War intervened. And all these people (in the majority) sacrificed their dreams, left an idle life. Moreover, stories and legends were even composed about such people. Because these people were Soviet people:

        Let me ask you, do you yourself consider the athletes who performed "without a Motherland, without a flag" Russian?
        What pride should the citizens of Russia have, whose taxes and part of their income went to provide training and the achievement of success for such athletes who agree to temporarily remain “non-Russian citizens”?
        1. Ua3qhp
          Ua3qhp 23 February 2021 08: 41
          +2
          Quote: ROSS 42
          to ensure training and the achievement of success for such athletes who agree to temporarily remain “non-Russian citizens”?

          Why temporarily, some for money are not opposed and permanently.
          "Soon the Olympic champions Navka and Kostomarov were provided with housing in Moscow [2]. For sporting services to the Fatherland from the Administration of the President of Russia, the skater received a 5-room apartment with an area of ​​180 m² in the Copernicus residential complex on Yakimanka [23]. Since September 2006, on the initiative of Ilya Averbukh in Russia, Channel One began to hold annual television ice shows with the participation of famous professional skaters and popular artists and musicians. In this regard, in August 2006, Navka and Zhulin, who received American citizenship [24] [25], returned from the USA to Russia, where they became one of the main protagonists of a highly rated television project [2] "
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0,_%D0%A2%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0
    4. 210ox
      210ox 22 February 2021 15: 38
      +16
      And he is, as always. Has nothing to do with this. This is not part of his mandate.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 15: 42
        +15
        It was only under the Soviet Union that sports were state
        Quote: user1212
        All sports federations in the Russian Federation are, in fact, commercial companies.

        You would be wondering how much these "commercial" organizations are costing the budget! laughing
    5. Kronos
      Kronos 22 February 2021 16: 14
      +11
      The President has already said that he is not opposed to driving under a white flag.
    6. Alf
      Alf 22 February 2021 17: 07
      +11
      Quote: Sergey39
      Since sports officials and the athletes themselves are not able to show will, it remains to wait until the president intervenes.

      He had already intervened once, but changed his mind and quickly changed his shoes.
  • Alex_You
    Alex_You 22 February 2021 15: 08
    +19
    Why go there at all? How can you perform not under your own banners, but under a white flag, and also stick the name of your country with tape? It's a shame.
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 22 February 2021 15: 33
      +22
      It is even impossible to imagine that Soviet athletes participated in such a disgrace. But now, the main thing is money - the coat of arms and the name of the country can be sealed with tape.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 15: 45
        +13
        And with his own hand!
  • alekc75
    alekc75 22 February 2021 15: 12
    +15
    let these "sportsmen" travel and train with their own money !!!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 22 February 2021 15: 13
    +14
    Shame, of course, but ... from any side you don't look from.
  • Dimide
    Dimide 22 February 2021 15: 18
    +5
    At the international level, athletes represent not only their achievements, but also their country, people.When winning prizes, the anthem is played and the flag is raised ...
    1. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 22 February 2021 15: 29
      +3
      Quote: Dimid
      When winning prizes, the anthem is played and the flag is raised ...

      Somehow it turns out that we are not threatened. Even judging by biathlon, it's not a shame that Russia is without prizes, it simply isn't there.
  • Timon2155
    Timon2155 22 February 2021 15: 27
    +24
    Cheap. I, as a resident of the Russian Federation, do not need such athletes. I am opposed to being honored and rewarded with my taxes upon returning home. They have no honor. Want to speak for themselves, please. But then the country should not do anything for them either.
    1. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 22 February 2021 15: 50
      +10
      What if there will be champions at the Olympic Games and a president for their apartment and car. Your taxes are just what we need, it's too early for us to relax and retire! laughing
      1. Alf
        Alf 22 February 2021 17: 13
        +12
        Quote: AlexVas44
        What if there will be champions at the Olympic Games and a president for their apartment and car.

        And in half a year these champions will be deprived of their medals ... Well, okay, but there will be an apartment and a car, but shame, he doesn't eat his eyes.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 22 February 2021 15: 27
    +18
    these athletes, having left the big sport, join the liberal get-together or go west
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 22 February 2021 15: 39
      +20
      Precisely, or they go to the Duma and they vote for the pension reform.
      1. Alf
        Alf 22 February 2021 19: 22
        +8
        Quote: Destiny
        Precisely, or they go to the Duma and they vote for the pension reform.




    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 15: 47
      +8
      Quote: Ryaruav
      these athletes, having left the big sport, join the liberal get-together or go west

      They also celebrate the loss of a team more pompously in big sports than a winning team.
    3. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 22 February 2021 15: 47
      +7
      Well if in the "liberal get-together". We also have a deputy in the State Duma, one. At first she played for the USSR, and then she dumped in the USA to "raise" American sports. And nothing ... Sits down ...
  • 1536
    1536 22 February 2021 15: 28
    +16
    What a disgrace this is! Or a consequence of the fact that they have completely forgotten about their Russian sports: towns, bast shoes, etc. And such concepts as honor and dignity are also largely forgotten. Even Russian bandy is now shyly called "bandy" (well not "brigada"). Any drafts, at home in Miami, and there is no one to support the ice hockey museum from the great millions? I haven't watched sports in recent years. The boorish antics of foreign "athletes" in relation to the Russian people and our sport are already off scale, the comments are so mediocre and illiterate that there is nowhere else to go. Our guys who do not kneel are bullied by all these "asthmatics" (no offense be told to a real patient), genetically modified people with a shifted psyche, outright drunkards and drug addicts, who are called "great athletes" in their countries. Only one thing is required: to finally destroy Russian sports, to admit here foreign "specialists" who will experiment with our children worse than the Nazis in concentration camps. And the most outstanding will be selected and made a "breeding herd". Such a "judo" is obtained ?!
  • Poetry
    Poetry 22 February 2021 15: 33
    +5
    For some reason, I immediately remembered Mutko. A man with an honest face and very sticky hands ...

    Prince Mutko.
    One our boyar, Vitaly - light Mutko
    The whole world has traveled around like Prince Sadko.
    I traveled around Europe, I went around the "Khazars",
    Vitalik strangled everyone with the Aglitsky bazaar.

    Let's just say so: Mutko is not a polyglot,
    God did not give him benefits in terms of language.
    Mutko does not understand the interlocutor at close range,
    Aglitsky his and cuts like an ax!

    Mutko will take it and cut it: "Zys is gut".
    Agnlichans will run away from Mutko in fear.
    Well yes, not a London dialect,
    His English cut his ears like a stiletto.

    Prince Mutko Vitaly traveled everywhere,
    I drove past all sorts of France and Italy.
    "Ze vezer" - it means about the weather,
    Mutko will think out the rest along the way.

    Wherever the wind does not wear Mutko.
    So what if he says so scary?
    So what, what is rough sound ...
    "After all, we are not British."

    Question about money: "Weh from May Mani?"
    Yes. Okay. Loot in Mutko's pocket.
    And finally he smiled: "Goodbye".
    He jumped in a Boeing and flew to Dubai.

    It even seems that the ever-memorable Sadko
    He did not travel as much as Prince Mutko.
    Perhaps Mutko would not need to travel?
    Prince Mutko has traveled two Olympiads.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 22 February 2021 16: 22
      +6
      Quote: Poetiszaugla
      Mutko will take it and cut it: "Zys is gut".
      Agnlichans will run away from Mutko in fear.

      Bull's-eye:
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 22 February 2021 16: 35
        +3
        Cool! Can you imagine how the Anglo-Saxons frowned? Probably, they were just mangled
    2. Vovanya
      Vovanya 22 February 2021 17: 03
      +1
      You can't do this over poetry ...
  • Woodman
    Woodman 22 February 2021 15: 35
    +16
    I propose to legally prohibit Russian athletes from participating in international competitions where Russian symbols are prohibited. If at the beginning of the epics with such prohibitions, I believe that our participation was justified, now I do not see such justifications. As for the athletes, there is no war without victims. And if they are patriots of their country, they will "treat with understanding" the demands of the state and the aspirations of the fans. If not - a suitcase, a railway station ... But first let them reimburse the funds invested by the state in their preparation.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 22 February 2021 15: 47
      +3
      until we ourselves cease to hang and drape historical monuments.
      Therefore, we are ordered to remove the flag, anthem, even the inscription "Russia"!
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 22 February 2021 15: 36
    +11
    I probably don't understand ANYTHING, probably ?! ...
    We, Russia, is that even a country not of the third grade, but of the fourth grade ?! am
    What, we do not have oil and gas dollars (on which our oligarchs get fat even faster than in countries of the 1st grade) to organize "from scratch and turnkey" new world-famous competitions ?! am World famous ?! ... Yes, one can make Abramovich's yacht !!!

    It is necessary, as Dostoevsky said, to decide, "Am I trembling, or do I have the RIGHT ?!"
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 22 February 2021 16: 16
      +1
      Money alone is not enough for this - it is simply not enough to recruit many people for such competitions.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 22 February 2021 16: 35
        +1
        Quote: Kronos
        Money alone is not enough for this - it is simply not enough to recruit many people for such competitions.

        Well, if there is not enough money, then we are definitely a country of 4 grades))) Here the PRESTIGE of our country will play a major role ... In 1984, after all, we were able to organize an "alternative" to the 1984 Olympics, after all, won't you deny ?! belay repeat fellow Does Druzhba-84 tell you about something? wink
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 22 February 2021 16: 44
          +5
          Then the USSR had its own bloc of allies and international authority; Russia has nothing like it now.
  • yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 22 February 2021 15: 40
    +8
    And soon there will be no one to perform, sports are now an expensive pleasure. Not for everyone, so to speak. Those who have the desire and talent, as a rule, in most cases do not have the opportunity to go in for sports for a good reason, plus all the delights of capitalist relations, kickbacks, tackles, in general, all the abominations of the wild capitalism that has come.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 15: 49
      +10
      Well, not a Union with us, for 30 years already. request Instead of palaces of sports and culture, shopping centers are being built. Everything is logical, there will be no raspberries from rowan.
  • Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 22 February 2021 15: 41
    -4
    The ruling circles in the US probably arrive mentally in the early 90s. Disappointment will certainly overtake them. It is impossible to spread rot and humiliate more than one people; history has proved it. My opinion is that it is not worth criticizing the athletes, the officials are primarily to blame. Also, everyone can express their civic position in spite of the Olympic Games without attending these competitions. make the Russians go under the white flag, forgetting that they must first be defeated ...
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 22 February 2021 15: 43
    +16
    I understand that they trained, prepared. but to glue the name of your Motherland with tape .... (((
    Vlasovshchina some .......... (((
    "committee for the liberation of the peoples of Russia" (((((((((
    A disgrace.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 22 February 2021 16: 01
      +4
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      I understand that they trained, prepared. but to tape up the name of your Motherland

      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      A disgrace.

      I completely agree with you, therefore I have not watched the previous Olympiad and will not watch the next one, in principle. hi
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 16: 09
        +7
        It's like training at the expense of your homeland and playing for someone else's! It's disgusting. Better nothing at all than this.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 22 February 2021 18: 23
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          It's like training at the expense of your homeland and playing for someone else's! It's disgusting. Better nothing at all than this.

          hi I agree.
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 22 February 2021 15: 47
    +3
    Sport, whatever one may say, is politics. If constant "concern" has become the norm, what can we say about this commercial action! Getting up from your knees - only in words!
  • U-58
    U-58 22 February 2021 15: 52
    +6
    The author is overly soft and diplomatic in his reflections.
    Of course, you shouldn't be hysterical, but the wording should still emotionally correspond to the situation.
    We had little shame at the Olympics, and we again fell under the "international situation".
    The humiliation of an athlete, team, country is unacceptable in any case.
    And here you need to show firmness, adherence to principles and, if you like, courage.
    And it will not be a crime if you suddenly have to "send" these Caucasians with their idiotic ideas and rules and abandon such degrading conditions.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 22 February 2021 15: 55
    +4
    However, at the moment, not a single Russian athlete has withdrawn from the competition. Usually the reasoning is as follows: we have been preparing for the competition for a long time, spending energy and money

    And at the sports schools of the Olympic reserve, at whose expense did they study? Interesting... repeat
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 22 February 2021 16: 13
      +5
      Quote: Tank Hard
      And at the sports schools of the Olympic reserve, at whose expense did they study? Interesting
      Even if for money from a personal trainer. This is secondary. The ideological merit of the Olympic medal is that an athlete represents the color of a nation, the pride of a country that prefers sports to war. And then the winner, the citizen of the Russian Federation, becomes the enemy's weapon in the information / hybrid war against the Russian Federation, receiving money and glory for this. Schizophrenia of individualism of some kind.
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU 22 February 2021 15: 56
    +9
    However, at the moment, not a single Russian athlete has withdrawn from the competition. Usually the reasoning is as follows: we have been preparing for the competition for a long time, wasting our efforts and resources, and you can cheer for us in any case, in any form, under any flag.

    Your funds? Did you build stadiums themselves, swimming pools, organizing clubs and spending money on educating coaches? about ammunition - I agree, but everything else ... nonsense ... let them wrap them up with duct tape at all ... don't care ... personally they only irritate me
  • tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 22 February 2021 16: 04
    +8
    To the war to defend the honor of the fatherland - under the white flag. My grandfather (he took Konigsberg, a Siberian) would have said just like my mother. Here is a tolerant kingdom, so I'll put an ellipsis. As in all our sports with heavily tanned football players and our defenders - officials headed by Zhukov (who, yokhana-bada, hid behind a girl and mumbled about love for the country and the president) ...
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 22 February 2021 16: 09
    +5
    Recently I watched a competition with the participation of athletes from Russia. Under white flags. Shame. Okay, a year, while sorting out the type of doping, but endure so much ??? Maybe good? Those who "prepared, suffered (not at the factory at the machine)" let them go and perform under a different flag. What does it matter to them? Russian, white, there will be some Andorra.
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 22 February 2021 16: 12
    +4
    And let's use the enemy formula, create a petition in the net for refusing to compete under the white flag ???
  • Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 22 February 2021 16: 24
    +1
    Under the white flag? Is it like "we are Russian, give up"? Hmm ... there is not far to "rainbow", and in fact the same thing.
    Shame, in short. There are no more words.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 22 February 2021 16: 49
    -2
    And what does a van with Nizhny Novgorod license plates do in German Obersdorf?))
    1. Volodin
      22 February 2021 17: 35
      +6
      Quote: From Tomsk
      And what does a van with Nizhny Novgorod license plates do in German Obersdorf?))

      And with what numbers the cars of the Russian national team should be ... German, or what? Or do you propose to glue the numbers with tape ...
      1. From Tomsk
        From Tomsk 22 February 2021 18: 56
        -9
        Over 1800 kilometers? Lowers for photoshop.
  • prior
    prior 22 February 2021 16: 52
    +9
    Along with such sports patriotism - Navalny is resting!
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 22 February 2021 17: 08
      +3
      Well, in these so-called "athletes" so many grandmothers have invested some "persons" and "sponsors" who are like "national treasures" and "people's banks" so that they, anyway, will go to the "Olympics", even though no flag at all, although their flag is, in fact, one - "loot".
  • Van 16
    Van 16 22 February 2021 16: 52
    +6
    Strongly against such performances under a white flag and black scotch tape. For many reasons. And the athletes ... they even do not really feel sorry for us when the Serbian national team lose 0: 5, or they occupy the penultimate places in other sports ..
  • iouris
    iouris 22 February 2021 17: 17
    +3
    Message: Get used to it: there is no such state. We prohibit it.
    Already used to it?
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 February 2021 17: 36
    +6
    Well, let's say they trained, but what is the Minister of Foreign Affairs doing, what is the Prime Minister thinking about. Finally, these are the duties of the President of Russia, to protect the honor and dignity of the country.
    1. Alf
      Alf 22 February 2021 19: 26
      +9
      Quote: Gardamir
      these are the duties of the President of Russia, to protect the honor and dignity of the country.

      Does he remember them? Does he know about this duty?
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 22 February 2021 17: 36
    +12
    What's unhappy then?
    1st Doping was? was, officially recognized.
    caught on the 2nd doping? got caught.
    Are the culprits punished? no, Mutko is a friend of Himself.

    Has the Kremlin allowed to speak without symbols? allowed. Popularized? promoted - they say, we are great. And we perform so well.

    Anyone who is unhappy - questions to the country's top officials ...
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 22 February 2021 17: 51
    +6
    Do we still have Russian athletes, or are there only athletes living in Russia today? The Soviet athletes were, where were the Russian ones, EPRST ?!
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 February 2021 13: 09
      +2
      ".... The Russian record was set by an individual-foreign agent ...."
      Here, take the CSKA football team, and Dynamo. Do they have links with the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Who are they connected with?
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 23 February 2021 14: 14
        0
        Why the hell is the connection ?! The children of female dogs recruited gladiators for the grandmother, and the cat cried with its cubs to deal with funds! It's good that there are still devotees left in Russia! Only the pupils are looking there more and more.
  • Gray-haired Zinnik
    Gray-haired Zinnik 22 February 2021 17: 57
    +6
    If they cannot perform under the flag of their country, then the country does not owe them anything either. All.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 22 February 2021 17: 57
    +8
    This will last exactly as long as Russia itself is disrespectful to itself, to its citizens

    We even know the name.
    Who will decide whether to be proud of Russia, to be offended, or to swallow.
    I personally am not proud of his decision, and do not agree with him, as well as "did not understand correctly" the pension reform.
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 22 February 2021 18: 09
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    Athletes are people who, from childhood, are focused on results and then achieve them. It is not their fault that this is the system. And their age is not long, then it is difficult to find yourself in life.


    Oh oh oh! I'm ready to cry!
    And what prevents those athletes from performing under the Russian Imperial Flag? There is no direct prohibition on this flag !!!
    Fear! Fear of losing royalties for performances and going into the arms of the beloved Motherland to vegetate and starve for beggarly coaching salaries somewhere in the children's and youth sports school of the Olympic reserve in the city of Muhoske!
    The same fear of losing business trips abroad and soft armchairs drives our opposite officials, otherwise who could interfere with the work with our fans, so that they, following the example of that Belarusian, would deploy Russian tricolors in the stands!
    You will say: so the fans will be fined! It will be forbidden to attend sports competitions!
    And I will answer: so let the Russian Imperial Flag unfold! Let them "applaud" ... yes, at least "Varyag" in defiance of Western partners and the IOC!

    ... but no, no ... we grinded, these are "not our methods" ... It's better, we will calmly and peacefully rub ourselves ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 20: 45
      +1
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      And what prevents those athletes from performing under the Russian Imperial Flag?

      The Kremlin will not give the go-ahead for this flag.
  • Old26
    Old26 22 February 2021 19: 44
    -6
    Quote: Hlavaty
    Don't blame the communists for the usual venality.

    And what is venality? The fact that a person gives all the best to get to the World Cup or the Olympics, and then ... Drop it all and proudly say, I will not go? Or is it all the same, even without a flag and anthem, to perform and show that even this cannot break us?

    Quote: Ilya-spb
    I find excuses about preparation and waste of time shameful.

    I think it's best not to play by the enemy's rules at all.

    And I am for the development of mass sports.

    Of course you know better. From the couch. But which of the athletes of "mass sports" got at least to the national championship, not to mention Europe or the world? One in a million? Mass sports is more for the soul, like physical exercises. If a person wants to achieve results, he must go to professional sports. And this is a colossal, hard labor in order to show what he is capable of. And yes, they perform under the flag of the OK or Federation, but they show results. And everyone understands perfectly well that this athlete is RUSSIAN, even if he is not allowed to perform under his own anthem. You need to have good international lawyers, then you can get something off the ground

    Quote: Cosm22
    So maybe we should do less politicization of sports? And more time and money to devote to the sport itself?

    Not very long ago I watched the program, EMNIP "Firsov". There were just representatives of the biathlon federation. Among all the many reasons, they named such as the problem with ammunition. As one of the sportswomen said earlier, we received unlimited ammunition from the federation and “for training,” sometimes I shot a hundred or two rounds. ”Now they have to buy ammunition. And the“ shooting ”has decreased several times.
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 22 February 2021 20: 02
      +2
      Perhaps that rare case when I disagree with you. When a young man or girl goes into professional sports and takes their first steps, the last thing they think about is the state or patriotism. Basically, banal selfishness. Be cooler, be faster, be stronger than others. When they already achieve serious success, material interest also appears. There is a kind of consensus between professional sports and the state. The state uses sports of the highest achievements in its propaganda and idiology, and athletes use the state as a way to realize their ambitions, as a material and sports-technical base. But selfishness still remains at the core. Therefore, they do not hesitate to change flags. Either they change their citizenship when necessary, or they are ready to play under white. The main thing is, I was there, I won!
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 20: 49
        +6
        Quote: rudolff
        I was there, I won!

        And where is the place in this phrase for the country that raised you? And even if you don't touch the bloodline, but only financial investments? belay
  • Vlad world
    Vlad world 22 February 2021 20: 05
    +9
    I read the article and comments. Most are outraged. And why be indignant then - the frog is cooked gradually raising the temperature so that it does not jump out. First, no flags, then more, and the name of the country is pasted over. From Beginning - Kolya s Urengoy - then a front-line grandfather pissed by his own grandson. Duplicate names of streets and stations in English. From the beginning at the bottom, and then you can go up. So that in the possible future the "liberators" do not get lost.
    The English language in the metro and at the train stations is an explanation for the convenience of tourists. There are no tourists at all, but the language remains. The frog is used to it. Songs only in English at competitions on TV, like in Russia, for now. And there, as a "frog" will get used to it.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 20: 52
      +4
      Yes, and then Englishisms are added to the dictionary of the Russian language, under the guise of language development, as happened last year. Fake, selfie, cashback are now "Russian" words. negative
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 22 February 2021 21: 28
        +3
        Add to this the fact that you will receive a good salary only in those companies where English is a business, spoken language, in Russian companies the salary is such that it is enough only for "macaroshkas that cost the same everywhere" ...
    2. Wilderness
      Wilderness 22 February 2021 22: 28
      +3
      Add in almost compulsory English learning in schools. Niece (7 years old) went to 2nd grade - if you please, English lessons. She has not yet learned all Russian words, she constantly asks - "... what is this? And what is the name? ..."
      The teachers themselves sadly joke - "you need to know the language of the owners!"
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 22 February 2021 20: 29
    +4
    I completely agree with the author. While we ourselves allow ourselves to wipe our feet under various excuses, they will endlessly wipe all our feet about us. Well, there is the experience of the Goodwill Games, well, so spread out a healthy person to the games, and compare the results of their asmatics and other athletes without doping. They will have scandals for doping, but we do not have them on fair games. It can be used in politics. And since now it is, they can generally prohibit the mention of the Russian Federation in any form, and we will trade under the white flag of surrender and arms and issue snow-white foreign passports, and we will act under a white rag at the UN as the founder's successor country.
    1. Vlad world
      Vlad world 23 February 2021 00: 18
      +1
      If the river - the russophobia of those in power - swept away first Tsarist Russia and then accelerated the USSR, it disappeared at the moment. No matter how it is. Just at the moment they are trying to change the Culture - the cultural code of the people. Change to "culture" is no longer enemies, but simply partners. Fortunately, there are, alas, a lot of those willing to change in the government and in the culture. You see for yourself. And pride in your country is also the culture of the people. State-forming people, at least 80% In Russia, Russians.
      So pride is being emasculated from the beginning among athletes and then it will reach the military. Saying A then goes to B.
  • Old26
    Old26 22 February 2021 20: 42
    -4
    Quote: rudolff
    Be cooler, be faster, be stronger than others

    But this principle is Olympic: faster, stronger ... (not literally, but nevertheless)

    Quote: rudolff
    When they already achieve serious success, material interest also appears.

    And in this, Rudolph does not see anything wrong. Of course, if he doesn't get a million sitting on the bench. But sports such as skiing, skating, biathlon require total commitment. And there is interest in everything. Each of us wants to get more for the work we do than others. I myself faced the fact that after I was "retired" from the public sector I got a job in a private company. The manager, talking with me and looking at my "portfolio" asked me to wait a little, having talked with the deputy, during this time contacted those who came across me at work and said that unfortunately he would not be able to pay me a lot at first. my salary became only 3,5 times higher than in the budget. do you think refused? yes, in no case ... Therefore, there is always material interest. Especially among athletes who want to be better than others.

    Quote: rudolff
    Therefore, they do not hesitate to change flags. Either they change their citizenship when necessary, or they are ready to play under white. The main thing is, I was there, I won!

    It is not they who change the flags, but the officials. And the fact that they change citizenship - yes, there is such. But at the same time I do not blame them. a person is looking for where it is better ...
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 22 February 2021 21: 37
      +1
      Yes, and I do not judge. Life is life. I just don't like pathos where there is very little room for it. Perhaps only he changed his attitude to football, became disgustingly uninteresting.
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 22 February 2021 22: 12
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    The Kremlin will not give the go-ahead for this flag.

    In fact of the matter! The Kremlin will prefer public humiliation, the Kremlin will prefer to repent, to kneel ... but there is no way to allow the revival of the national consciousness of the Russian People, the Kremlin will not give the go-ahead for that ...
    The Kremlin will not give the go-ahead to the Russian Imperial Flag ...
    It's funny, but it turns out that it is not overseas or European partners that offend and humiliate us, no ...
  • Radikal
    Radikal 22 February 2021 22: 35
    +13
    Quote: Lesovik
    I propose to legally prohibit Russian athletes from participating in international competitions where Russian symbols are prohibited. If at the beginning of the epics with such prohibitions, I believe that our participation was justified, now I do not see such justifications. As for the athletes, there is no war without victims. And if they are patriots of their country, they will "treat with understanding" the demands of the state and the aspirations of the fans. If not - a suitcase, a railway station ... But first let them reimburse the funds invested by the state in their preparation.

    We don't need to offer anything here - offer it there. "Them". At the main entrance to the State Duma. Then, when you talk to your colleagues from "E", tell us here. hi lol
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 22 February 2021 23: 17
    +6
    My opinion: if an athlete is a patriot of Russia and is ready to compete for prizes in international competitions in the name of glorifying Russian sports, that is, under the flag of Russia, then state support and honors are appropriate for him. If an athlete just wants to perform under the white flag, let him look for sponsors interested in him. They will write about such an athlete that he comes from Russia, but not more than that.
    Organizations like the IOC do not allow our athletes to perform under the Russian flag - ignore their events at the state level. Corrupt officials from sports - to disperse from their warm places for uselessness ...
    And it's better to create children's sports clubs all over the place than to spend money on performances under the white flag. White banner - a sign of surrender to the enemy
  • paco.soto
    paco.soto 23 February 2021 04: 16
    +1
    Neutral opinion: I read the article with bewilderment, there is no time to watch the forum.
    Some kind of problem hysterically invented with scotch tape. Why glue it in the 21st year, if you can get any rotated suit from China in a day today ??? !!!
    In the 80s, in the USSR national team, I was a youth, then an adult, there were chic Soviet woolen suits (in different tones for the republics) and for them, for me and everyone, the emblem of the USSR or Ukraine was given and the letters that we all sewed very carefully for international or all-Union championships ... There was a problem with shoes - only after the MS were they given out free adidas.
  • kig
    kig 23 February 2021 06: 51
    0
    There is, of course, a political component, which can be without it. However, for everyone who thinks that only politics is to blame, I advise you to read at least this first:
    https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/allresp/2451003.html

    Correction: those who see in what happened only the intrigues of enemies, it is not necessary to read this. Useless.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 February 2021 07: 34
    -6
    Yes Radchenkov shit so shit. Let our sportsmen win in this form, they will be angrier!
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 23 February 2021 08: 10
    +2
    Shame. Of course, it's understandable, we trained, a lot of strength, etc. But there must be some notions of pride and honor for your country? It seems to me that this is only the beginning and development of new humiliations. After that, Russian symbols will be banned elsewhere, under the pretext of sanctions, for example. And then ... whose symbols are banned everywhere now? Demonization is going well, the next step will be to ban symbolism.
  • martin-159
    martin-159 23 February 2021 10: 08
    +2
    Such athletes need to replace Russian names and surnames with numbers for complete disguise.
  • seacap
    seacap 23 February 2021 17: 57
    0
    Shame and extreme humiliation, for what? I don't want to be dishonored by the whole world for my money, as long as possible, if they do not have a drop of pride and dignity, then I am brought up differently, if they are for the loot and for the sake of doubtful preferences are ready to crawl on their knees, taking off their pants to stand on all fours, then dismiss me, there is nothing from sports and competition.Pasting the name of your country with your own hands, listening to foreign hits instead of the national anthem, whom they represent, whom they stand for, why are they needed then yes even for budget money, when we collect esms for sick children? Well, everything has been said about bureaucrats from sports, these are not people for a long time, but similar to a herd of cows brought to the slaughterhouse, just as narrow-minded and just as amorphous, which even seeing butcher's knife ready to lick his hands for a bunch of greens. They have neither homeland, nor country, and there is little human dignity and pride. It's a shame that this whole pack "feeds" for budget money, and even rolls off those who give them slaps and kicks for fun, and these, continuing wiping the snot on their cheeks, stand on their hind legs and loyally, whining, look into the eyes of the ghouls.
  • Vladimir Vitalin
    Vladimir Vitalin 23 February 2021 18: 06
    0
    Hello everyone.
    I will say right away - I am against the participation of our athletes in international competitions under an incomprehensible flag and without the Anthem of Russia - this is simply unacceptable both for patriotic reasons and because of how much money from the BUDGET of the country is spent on training athletes of "Olympic" sports.
    But there is an example of how one can act in the event of severe obstruction by foreign functionaries from sports, and this example is relatively recent.
    A certain Russian influential and fairly rich man decided to hold competitions in one of the winter technical sports in Russia. The international federation FIM promised him that if he holds prestigious competitions in summer technical sports in Russia, he will receive a license for 3 years to host winter competitions.
    But in the end, as often happens, he was simply deceived - having fulfilled his obligations, he did not receive a license.
    Then a simple but intelligible decision was made - to organize in Russia a local series of OPEN competitions with excellent organization, aggressive media coverage and a large prize fund. The first year there were almost only Russian athletes in the competition, but starting from the second, foreign leaders of this sport did not give a damn about the World Championships and the European Championships and they all poured over to us ... FIM bit his elbows, and we had intense and interesting sports battles in which and our athletes performed successfully, receiving not only cups and prizes, but also a considerable monetary reward ... Unfortunately, for some reason, this undertaking ended ...
    So there is a logical solution, only the determination of the Ministry of Sports and the approval of the Sports Committee of Russia and budgetary financial support of the organizers of the competition are needed, and I have no doubt that there will be such people and will hold the competition at the highest level ...
    And then you won't have to prove to anyone that you are honest, to apologize to anyone and hide your national identity ...
  • Vladimir Vitalin
    Vladimir Vitalin 23 February 2021 18: 14
    +1
    I will add to my post.
    In some way, I am also a functionary from a technical sport, and I perfectly understand how decision-making mechanics work in our sport.
    Unfortunately, the decision to hold the Russian competitions I have described will hardly be made, since this directly affects the interests (including financial ones) of the Ministry of Sports and the Sports Committee.
    Therefore, without the approval of this decision on the TOP, they will not budge, and we will all continue to look at the humiliation of our country and athletes at the most prestigious international competitions, because for reporting they need "medals", and our athletes still "carry" them ...
    And "shame is not smoke - it will not eat up your eyes", alas ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 February 2021 19: 06
      0
      Sport is big politics, and where politics is, there is money and interests. And what are our interests, who should I ask?
  • BUSEYN
    BUSEYN 23 February 2021 19: 09
    0
    Friends, stop talking. We have 18 sports clubs in the village. All are free. Children participate in competitions, take places, receive ranks. Why is it different for you? Athletes, if they trained at state expense, could not play for Vasya Pupkin.
  • Revival
    Revival 23 February 2021 20: 25
    -1
    "This is primarily due to attempts to discredit Russian athletes and prohibit them from performing under the Russian flag."

    And for me this is due to the constant performances of athletes, despite the ban on performing under the Russian flag ..

    Is this a breakthrough? Or...