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"Will not even resist": The political scientist assessed the chances of Ukraine in the war with Russia

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"Will not even resist": The political scientist assessed the chances of Ukraine in the war with Russia

In the event of a military clash, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) will not be able to oppose anything to the Russian army. This was stated by the president of the Center for System Analysis and Forecasting Rostislav Ishchenko on the air of the Ukraina.ru channel on You-Tube.


Commenting on the bellicose statements of Kiev politicians against the backdrop of the aggravation of the situation in Donbass, the political scientist said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have nothing to oppose to the Russian armed forces. According to him, the Ukrainian army is not adapted for waging war, given that it does not have the necessary range of weapons, as well as experience in conducting combat operations in modern conditions. In addition, the funding of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is inadequate.

Ukraine will not even resist the Russian army, and Lviv and Dnepropetrovsk will compete in who will give her flowers faster

- said Ishchenko.

Speaking about the Ukrainian army, he recalled that the Armed Forces of Ukraine actually do not have aviation and air defense, and weapon and ammunition comes from arsenals dating back to Soviet times.

It should be noted that in Kiev it has been repeatedly stated that in the event of a military conflict, the Ukrainian army will not only stop the offensive of the "Russian aggressor", but also go on the offensive, reclaim its territory, and then "reach Moscow."

According to some Ukrainian politicians, 350 Ukrainian servicemen received combat experience on the "eastern front."
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  1. svp67
    svp67 22 February 2021 14: 33
    +24
    It is foolish to believe in the statements of a political scientist who has been predicting either the collapse of Ukraine or the murder of Poroshenko for years ... He is just working out his piece of bread
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 22 February 2021 14: 42
      +27
      It is foolish, in principle, to listen to political scientists on topics about the war. Any
      1. iouris
        iouris 22 February 2021 17: 10
        +3
        Ishchenko is one of the few who understands the subject very deeply.
        "War is too serious a matter to be trusted by the generals" (I didn't say)
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 22 February 2021 17: 21
          +1
          Well, if political scientists begin to conduct it ...
          1. mole
            mole 22 February 2021 20: 51
            0
            France -
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Well, if political scientists begin to conduct it ...
            I experienced it myself.
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 22 February 2021 14: 43
      +7
      ... It should be noted that in Kiev it has been repeatedly stated that in the event of a military conflict, the Ukrainian army will not only stop the offensive of the "Russian aggressor", but also go on the offensive, reclaim its territory, and then "reach Moscow."

      Why didn't they reach Moscow in 2014? Probably the Minsk agreements interfered?
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 February 2021 14: 49
        +18
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Why didn't they reach Moscow in 2014? Probably the Minsk agreements interfered?

        In such a war, our soldiers will both be greeted with flowers and shoot them in the back ... there is now a crazy division of society ... And now what is the point for us in such a war? Enter, conquer by military means and get territories with a ruined economy and infrastructure, a partially hostile population and having a huge debt both to its population and to international organizations and investors.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 22 February 2021 14: 52
          +8
          Russia does not need Ukraine in its present form. But Donbass will not be offended in any case. And let the Ukrainians themselves sort out the situation with what they have done with their country, with their now divided society.
          1. svp67
            svp67 22 February 2021 15: 08
            +19
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            Russia does not need Ukraine in its present form.

            Alas, all of Ukraine is gone. But Kharkov, Yekaterinoslav, Aleksandrovsk, Mariupol, Nikolaev, Kherson, Odessa, with their industrial and logistics potential ... would not hurt
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 22 February 2021 15: 12
              +6
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              Russia does not need Ukraine in its present form.

              Alas, all of Ukraine is gone. But Kharkov, Yekaterinoslav, Aleksandrovsk, Mariupol, Nikolaev, Kherson, Odessa, with their industrial and logistics potential ... would not hurt

              With what potential? There industrial potential was destroyed in the bud. What potential does Nikolaev have, even if the corvette is being built for Ukraine by the Turks? The Malyshev Kharkiv plant was ruined. And so they have it everywhere.
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 22 February 2021 15: 31
                +3
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                What is the potential of Nikolaev, even if the corvette body for Ukraine is being built by the Turks

                Tell me, what is the USC lacking at the moment and what is present in Nikolaev?
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 22 February 2021 15: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: PSih2097
                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  What is the potential of Nikolaev, even if the corvette body for Ukraine is being built by the Turks

                  Tell me, what is the USC lacking at the moment and what is present in Nikolaev?

                  And what is present in Nikolaev besides the rotting cruiser Ukraine and the unfinished corvette Vladimir the Great, if I am not mistaken in the name of the latter?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 22 February 2021 15: 53
                    +6
                    Quote: OrangeBigg
                    And what is present in Nikolaev besides the rotting cruiser Ukraine and the unfinished corvette Vladimir the Great, if I am not mistaken in the name of the latter?

                    They are now quite successfully working in the production of civilian ships, releasing tankers and dry cargo ships into the sea quite regularly.
                    1. Orange bigg
                      Orange bigg 22 February 2021 16: 19
                      0
                      Quote: svp67
                      Quote: OrangeBigg
                      And what is present in Nikolaev besides the rotting cruiser Ukraine and the unfinished corvette Vladimir the Great, if I am not mistaken in the name of the latter?

                      They are now quite successfully working in the production of civilian ships, releasing tankers and dry cargo ships into the sea quite regularly.


                      We also build civilian ships.
                      Usually, the top three were unchanged - South Korea, China and Japan, but in the third quarter of 2020 Russia took the second line of the ranking, moving the PRC.
                      The well-known British analytical agency Clarkson Research has published a rating in which Russia took second place in the world in shipbuilding. This is a rather unexpected result, since before the top three were practically unchanged - South Korea, China, Japan, - Smart-Lab reports.

                      The British agency has provided ratings separately for September and separately for the third quarter of 2020. Russia broke into second place in the rating for the third quarter.


                      China has traditionally followed South Korea. But this time Russia took the second line of the rating. Over the past three months, the volume of Russian shipbuilding tonnage amounted to 860 thousand CGT. This is 30 thousand registered tons more than China, which this time took the third line of the rating


                      ... In the period from January to September of this year, the total world shipbuilding volume amounted to 9,75 million CGT. Shipbuilding is lower this year than last year due to the coronavirus pandemic. However, this clearly did not prevent Russia from breaking into second place.

                      https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/rossiya_vyshla_na_vtoroe_mesto_v_mire_po_obemam_sudostroeniya.html
                  2. PSih2097
                    PSih2097 22 February 2021 15: 57
                    +1
                    I'm not talking about ships, but about the fact that there is nowhere to build them.
                    1. Orange bigg
                      Orange bigg 22 February 2021 16: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: PSih2097
                      I'm not talking about ships, but about the fact that there is nowhere to build them.

                      Zvezda plant in the Far East, Sevmash, Admiralty shipyards, a plant in Kerch, where helicopter carriers are being built, Kaliningrad Yantar, Zelenodolsk shipyard, Severnaya Verf in St. Petersburg, where the construction of the newest slipway for the construction of 22350M is underway. And that's not all. The first thing that came to mind.
                      1. An K-s
                        An K-s 26 February 2021 18: 31
                        0
                        Our St. Petersburg shipbuilders who have received orders for 10 years ahead, horror how there are not enough people, hull assemblers are ready to pay a salary of 100-120 thousand.
              2. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 22 February 2021 15: 35
                +1
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                And so they have it everywhere.

                In all industries, only raguli and banerlogs reached their dirty paws
              3. svp67
                svp67 22 February 2021 15: 51
                +1
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                There, the industrial potential was destroyed in the bud.

                No, not all, but a lot. There are still production facilities that we really need
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                The Malyshev Kharkov plant was ruined.

                Do you only know him? And "TurboAtom" Kharkov, does it tell you about anything?
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                What potential does Nikolaev have, even if the corvette is being built by the Turks for Ukraine?

                Listen, but you are discarding the possibility of depriving a potential adversary of even such an opportunity and gaining logistical advantages
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 22 February 2021 15: 58
                  0
                  There are still production facilities that we really need

                  What are these? Name, if not difficult, and for what exactly each production, for the release of what products?
                  And "TurboAtom" Kharkov, does it tell you about anything?

                  He speaks. But did the light converge on him like a wedge?
                  ... Listen, but you are discarding the possibility of depriving a potential enemy of even such an opportunity and gaining logistical advantages

                  Who is the likely adversary to be deprived of advantages, is this adversary Ukraine for Russia or Turkey for Ukraine? Explain.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 22 February 2021 16: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: OrangeBigg
                    What are these? Name, if not difficult, and for what exactly each production, for the release of what products?

                    The same "Turboatom", "Electrotyazhmash", "FED", "Aviazavod", "Priborostroitelny" is in Kharkov. "Motor Sich", "Ivchenko", "Zorya-Mashproekt" ... yes, you can write them on several sheets
                    1. Orange bigg
                      Orange bigg 22 February 2021 16: 28
                      +2
                      ... The same "Turboatom", "Electrotyazhmash", "FED", "Aviazavod", "Priborostroitelny" is in Kharkov.

                      The import has already been replaced. It's even funny to write about numbers 2,3,4. There are similar industries in Russia. The first and the last are more difficult of course.
                      Motor Sich "," Ivchenko "," Zorya-Mashproekt "..

                      Motor Sich is hardly interesting already. The D-18T series 3 is unreliable, and trials of its Russian counterpart will begin soon. D-431 will be replaced by PD-8. Helicopter engines have been replaced by imports. Engines on 22350 have also mastered production. So, in fact, there is nothing special in Ukraine.
                    2. hydrox
                      hydrox 22 February 2021 16: 33
                      +1
                      So this is all New Russia!
                      It will still be taken away all (with Slobozhanshchina), and there is nothing more to take and there is no need to take it.
                      1. Douel
                        Douel 22 February 2021 18: 05
                        0
                        Citizens arguing. You forget about the mineral resource base. And in the East of Ukraine there are large reserves of manganese, with which in Russia there is little tension. This is just for this moment I will express myself)))
                        And so there are still many netnyakov koi will be very useful in the upcoming batch.
                        This is not considering how convenient a springboard is the 404
                      2. hydrox
                        hydrox 22 February 2021 23: 16
                        0
                        Here you are, of course, right: as soon as Ukraine breaks off the Russian leash, it will instantly become a NATO sarcoma, which dies ONLY along with the organism that it has chosen for growth ...
                        And the only need in Ukraine that NATO may have is a bridgehead and hemorrhoids for Russia, but we don’t need this and it’s clear that no one will save the Bandera-fascists, but who will agree to accept them?
                    3. svp67
                      svp67 23 February 2021 04: 33
                      0
                      Quote: hydrox
                      So this is all New Russia!

                      So the first name of the city, which is now called Dnieper and was Novorossiysk and it should have become, according to Potemkin's plan, the capital of Novorossia ...
                    4. hydrox
                      hydrox 23 February 2021 07: 43
                      0
                      The idea is good, it remains only to implement it correctly ...
        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 22 February 2021 15: 38
          +1
          I read the comments and felt sad: only a few adequate. The rest either very do not understand well that takes place in / in Ukraine, or clearly disguised velikokry.

          And Rostislav is certainly right: Ukraine is ripe, most both the population and the army look forward to is waiting Russian (Donetsk?) Liberation Army. As for the thugs-Bandera, they all scatter and hide with the expectation of "fighting" as usual: at night, in the back, on the sly.

          And the Kiev soldiers will be abroad before the Russian troops reach Kiev.
          1. major147
            major147 22 February 2021 15: 54
            +5
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            Ukraine is ripe

            This is yes. But economically, the burden for Russia will be too heavy. But those wishing to come to Russia first of all hope for an economic improvement in life. Accordingly, it will be necessary to take something away from the Russians and give it to the Ukrainians. And this, I think, will not be correct.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 22 February 2021 16: 38
              +6
              You won't have to take away anything: Novorossiya is sufficiently strong in industry, so yes, it will need to be helped, but mainly in raw materials and consumption.
              1. major147
                major147 22 February 2021 16: 45
                +2
                Quote: hydrox
                Novorossiya is strong enough

                I'm not talking about Novorossiya. These are our people and they pay in blood for Russia. Dear Vladimir Mashkov, as I understand it, speaks for everything Ukraine. I'm talking about all of Ukraine and I answer.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 22 February 2021 16: 57
                  +5
                  We will not pull the whole of Ukraine simply because of their DIFFERENT consciousness: a Bandera member will NEVER, not even after 10-20 years of imprisonment in a camp, become a Russian: they are people of a different mentality: you can ask Canada to accept them, but even negotiations on this topic will be very difficult and protracted ...
            2. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 22 February 2021 16: 40
              -3
              Major 147
              You wrong think. And in vain are you afraid that the last will be taken away from you. Ukrainians are quite capable of providing for themselves. And not just yourself. All you need is a change authorities and the abolition of the dictatorship of the West. Ukraine will rise. And without your money, for which you are very worried and worried: the Chinese will gladly allocate repayable loans for recovery. It will be the way you want - right: your money will stay with you, securely clamped in your cam.
              1. major147
                major147 22 February 2021 16: 51
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                your money will stay with you, securely clamped in the cam.

                Let me disagree with your caustic comment. Our denyuzhki do not fall from the sky and the IMF does not send them to us. Ukraine, without significant financial investments, what has been destroyed for decades cannot be restored. Are Chinese investors? In my opinion, it is even worse than the IMF.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 22 February 2021 17: 03
                  0
                  Well, it looks like it will not be possible to do without the UN protectorate in this matter: the degree of corruption is so high that only under the protectorate it will be possible to try to do something with this territory (this is even if Russia takes Novorossia under its protectorate).
                2. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 22 February 2021 17: 10
                  -3
                  Why sarcastic? You clearly say that you are NOT going to help with loans (it seems, and help with the release): it will not be right, it will be expensive. Well YOU say so (on behalf of Russia), not me? And I answer you that repayable loans for restoration can be taken from China (as a way out). I just think Russia has reserve funds, часть which can be allocated without burden on the budget the new Ukraine in the form of refundable recovery funds. And in the Russian government, people are much smarter than you, who understand the full benefits of such an investment.
                  Although, of course, you will disagree again ... smile
                  1. major147
                    major147 22 February 2021 17: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    YOU say so (on behalf of Russia),

                    Dear Vladimir, Russia did not authorize me to speak on its own behalf. I express only my opinion here. And the fact that people in our government are "much smarter" than me is a big question. Just personally, I did not communicate and I did not have the opportunity to assess their mental abilities. But judging by their deeds, if I were you, I would not be so categorical. Come Russia to Ukraine today, tomorrow you personally and your fellow citizens will demand to raise their standard of living. And if this does not happen (because we do not print money here), the West will tell you all what you need to do as in the 13th year.
                  2. Hermit21
                    Hermit21 22 February 2021 18: 22
                    +3
                    Yes, it is very profitable to invest in a territory with a destroyed infrastructure, industry, a poor population, and huge debts. For 70 years we have been trying to turn Ukrainians into normal people, and from Ukraine into a normal country. Yes to the point
                  3. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 27 February 2021 09: 27
                    0
                    What Ukrainians 70 years ago did you start "making normal people"? where they used to live? in what historical homeland?
            3. Terenin
              Terenin 23 February 2021 16: 39
              +2
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              All that is needed is a change of power and the abolition of the West's dictatorship. Ukraine will rise.

              And who, in your opinion, will replace this government, cancel the dictate of the West. And who will wake up Ukraine so that it will rise?
              Well yes winked it will be Poland and the Baltushki, Moldova and ... Mishka Saakashvili with Savik Shuster. They "love" Ukraine so much that they cannot eat ...
          2. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 23 February 2021 03: 14
            +4
            All of Ukraine is not needed. It is necessary to annex Novorossiya to Russia, namely Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions. And everything else can go to hell.
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 27 February 2021 09: 29
              -1
              Yes, and everything is possible .. it’s a pity that it won’t be .. until the Anglo-Saxons lose their power in the world, and the prerequisites for this are not yet visible ..
      2. Azat Mambetov
        Azat Mambetov 23 February 2021 04: 56
        +4
        It will already be + to move the borders away from Moscow, albeit not large.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 23 February 2021 16: 41
          +6
          Quote: Azat Mambetov
          It will already be + to move the borders away from Moscow, albeit not large.

          Great advantage! Do not doubt
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 22 February 2021 15: 33
      +3
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      And let the Ukrainians settle the situation themselves

      They have been "settling" it for more than 30 years
      Whoever was not put in preziks and only one spent the entire term
  2. Egoza
    Egoza 22 February 2021 16: 41
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    In such a war, our soldiers will both be greeted with flowers and shoot them in the back ... there is now a crazy division of society ..

    That's it! I had to think before, back in 2014. Then it was possible to stop all the dozens of Svidomo, and not to put so many young guys, and propaganda did not work like that. No! I wanted the Minsk agreements! What did you think? If the Poles with the French, who signed the agreement, dumped Yanukovych, then they won’t throw the Russian Federation?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 22 February 2021 17: 07
      +2
      After all, not the Minsk agreements will start working there, but completely different documents and countries. So after all, no one could have thought that they would wipe themselves with the Minsk agreements (sorry). It turns out that with such curators it is possible.
    2. major147
      major147 22 February 2021 17: 28
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      I had to think before, back in 2014.

      You are a truly Russian person. You are strong in hindsight. And why they did exactly that, and not otherwise, what the situation was at that moment, perhaps we will never know.
  3. 1976AG
    1976AG 22 February 2021 21: 02
    0
    Defeating by military means and entering are different things. We will win, and others will enter.
    "And what is the point for us in such a war now?"
    The point is to bring the fascist henchmen to justice to the nation, so that others will not disdain. It was necessary to do this with Saakashvili, but our leadership lacked the political will. Ukrainian debts will not be transferred to us, and we will deal with the rest.
  4. Suhow
    Suhow 24 February 2021 00: 21
    0
    Plus, for your comment, the reality is now that a fairly large percentage of the population, and not only young people, will shoot in the back. Propaganda is a very serious and dangerous means.
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  • sabakina
    sabakina 22 February 2021 14: 53
    +3
    Quote: OrangeBigg

    Why didn't they reach Moscow in 2014? Probably the Minsk agreements interfered?

    General Frost & Marshal Rasputitsa. By the way, Moroz is now mastering technical stuff.
    1. kit88
      kit88 22 February 2021 15: 17
      +12
      Quote: sabakina
      Frost is now mastering the technical field

      What frost! Real, this is not Santa Claus for you!
      The case smacks of sanctions, however.
      1. major147
        major147 22 February 2021 15: 56
        +1
        Quote: kit88
        The case smacks of sanctions, however.

        What !? Weren't they introduced for the cold yet? Is the ink in the printer frozen? sad
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 22 February 2021 14: 57
    +3
    Probably the Minsk agreements interfered

    Well, you have obviously gone too far here, not the Minsk Agreements, but the vodka, which was not brought to the front line in time, and the stuff of bacon that the Banderlogists resisted. Here the strength was not enough. And so we would have walked to Moscow, if the Russians had not interfered with the bear. And then they wander everywhere, looking for sandals ... Well, what kind of bears without sandals?! ..
    And if for real, then M. Bulgakov wrote about this long ago in the novel "Days of the Turbins", who just witnessed how the Reds entered Kiev without a single shot. Now change the Reds to the DPR, LPR, Russia, and everything will immediately fall into place: the liberators of Ukraine entered Kiev without a single shot to the applause and lamentation of the happy Kievites, who threw bouquets of color at the liberators' feet as in 1945.
    1. major147
      major147 22 February 2021 15: 59
      +1
      Quote: The Truth
      shmat of bacon, which the Banderlog resisted.

      Speaking of lard!
      "Ukraine's livestock farming is not in the best shape. This month, a neighboring country bought a record amount of pork from the Russian Federation - 2, 7 thousand tons against 1,7 last February," Interfax reports. USA. The main suppliers are Penza, Belgorod and Tambov regions. "
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 22 February 2021 16: 51
        +2
        Quote: major147
        a neighboring country bought a record amount of pork from the Russian Federation
        As written
        We know there are more families
        Where our screaming and scolding,
        Where they look with emotion
        On foreign stickers ...
        And fat ... Russian eat!
        (S.V. Mikhalkov)
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 22 February 2021 15: 31
    +2
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Perhaps the Minsk agreements interfered?

    Well yes. They only tuned in to Moscow, and then "stop the car", the parashkin did not let me take a step forward, I had to back request
  • major147
    major147 22 February 2021 15: 44
    +3
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Why didn't they reach Moscow in 2014?

    We got to Moscow, and then everywhere. 3 million "gaster" in Russia are eating up.
  • mole
    mole 22 February 2021 20: 53
    0
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    ... It should be noted that in Kiev it has been repeatedly stated that in the event of a military conflict, the Ukrainian army will not only stop the offensive of the "Russian aggressor", but also go on the offensive, reclaim its territory, and then "reach Moscow."

    Why didn't they reach Moscow in 2014? Probably the Minsk agreements interfered?

    Nuland with a package of pies from the dining room of the State Department was not allowed to Moscow
    wink laughing
  • Cron
    Cron 22 February 2021 14: 49
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    It is foolish to believe in the statements of a political scientist who has been predicting either the collapse of Ukraine or the murder of Poroshenko for years ... He is just working out his piece of bread

    Well, you can predict anything, is there such a thing as a probability, or do you have some 100% reliable sources? And it does not fall apart for only one reason - the lack of interest in this by external players. Even Russia, despite all the hysteria, does not do this.

    In fact, he is right. I just don't agree on one thing. Ukraine still has a combat-ready air defense system, which can cause some trouble. And this is the only thing that can really somehow threaten. But given both the quantitative and the qualitative gap, it will be a matter of time to destroy it. Everything else does not pose any threat at all, but will serve only as cannon fodder.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 22 February 2021 15: 05
      +3
      ..... cannon fodder .....

      I fully support! In London and Fashington, they dream of turning the peoples of the former USSR into cannon fodder. This is what they have done and are doing with the peoples of the developing countries.
      1. Cron
        Cron 22 February 2021 15: 15
        +2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        I fully support! In London and Fashington, they dream of turning the peoples of the former USSR into cannon fodder. This is what they have done and are doing with the peoples of the developing countries.

        Unfortunately, this is so. But if they decide on such an adventure, forcing them to peace by force will be the only way out. Soft power in Ukraine is now being actively cleaned up. First, they shout about freedom of speech and democracy, but how will they get to power ...
        And there can be no more Georgians. Otherwise there is victory, but the state remains hostile.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 22 February 2021 16: 11
          +1
          ...... there can be no more Georgia ......
          that in Georgia, that in Ukraine, and under the USSR there were those who hid their hatred, but now it is not necessary. And the smuggling of food? An absurd phenomenon ... there was somehow a plot, how they wanted to drag bacon in big bags across the border ... and about Georgia recently ... like, buy it, aggressor, otherwise we can't ... even more hostile.
          1. major147
            major147 22 February 2021 16: 41
            +3
            Quote: Reptiloid
            And what about food smuggling? An absurd phenomenon ..... there was somehow a plot, how they wanted to drag bacon in big bags across the border.

            Why absurd. For instance:
            "The head of Ukrkondprom said that the price of sugar for one or two weeks in September soared from 11 to 17 thousand hryvnia per ton. And now sugar costs 21 thousand hryvnia (56,8 thousand rubles) per ton and continues to rise."
            Meanwhile, in Russia:
            "White sugar 36.00 rubles / kg.
            send request Krasnodar today at 16:01:23
            Granulated sugar white, beetroot, crystalline, GOST 33222-2015, packing in bags of 50 kg. All documents are attached. Delivery from 20 tons to any region by road and railway. Origin - Russia. There are all permits and a ...
            Beet sugar in bulk - 36.00 rubles / kg.
            Granulated sugar - 36.00 rubles / kg.
            Granulated sugar GOST 33222-2015 - 36.00 rubles / kg. "

            That is, translated into understandable language for everyone:
            Ukraine - almost 57 kg / rub.
            Russia - 36 kg / rub.
            What not to carry?
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 22 February 2021 16: 49
              +1
              I had something else in mind, it is clear that where, besides the Russian Federation, to transport lard cheaper? request I spoke about hatred, but the continuation of the trade, of course, the hatred will grow ...
              1. major147
                major147 22 February 2021 16: 52
                +1
                Quote: Reptiloid
                I meant something else

                hi
            2. beeper
              beeper 23 February 2021 02: 27
              +1
              hi Dear aka Major 147, this (21 thousand hryvnia per ton) is probably the wholesale cost of granulated sugar, because at retail we already have about 23 g / kg (plus or minus a penny) and tends to weekly growth.
              Of course, the "wild-capitalist" bourgeois in the current "Ukraine" felt and still feel themselves much more unpunished for theft and speculation (both primitive and "schematic") than the Russian or Belarusian bourgeois forced to be more "delicate" and law-abiding, but all we clearly see the privatization "corporate solidarity": "hand washes hand (" raven to raven ... ")" - like "bizдcarried there bizдcarried "?! request
              1. major147
                major147 23 February 2021 09: 37
                +1
                Quote: pishchak
                "business is business"

                request
            3. Black lotos
              Black lotos 26 February 2021 22: 59
              +1
              Quote: major147
              Meanwhile, in Russia:
              "White sugar 36.00 rubles / kg.

              The current market price for self-pickup in the Southern Federal District is 44,5 rubles / kg, and for carriages - 44-45 rubles / kg in the Central Federal District. There is one simple explanation for this - the rise in world sugar prices. To date, the contract (raw sugar) has exceeded the level of 18 c / ft, and white sugar is sold at $ 480 / t. If sugar arrives on the open Russian market not even at the "obligatory" price of 36 rubles / kg, but at 40 rubles / kg, it will be immediately bought up, firstly, for export to neighboring countries, and secondly, for reselling it at the end of the season, when the likelihood of an increase in Russian prices is maximum. (sugar.ru source)
              struck at retail a little more expensive in Ukraine
              Ribbon (RF) 50 rubles
              Auchan (UA) 21.90.
              rate-1 to 2,67
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 22 February 2021 15: 47
    +3
    You don't know much about Ukrainians. The Ukrainian is an unprincipled, selfish being. The Ukrainian has no homeland, his interests end with the gate of his fence. The limit of the APU: to beat the weak, realizing that the response will not be strong. When the RF Armed Forces attack, Ukrainians will run for flowers, salt and bread, and in a week everyone will tell how they supported Russia.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 22 February 2021 16: 15
      +4
      .... run for flowers ...
      maybe so request But someone is already in the Russian Federation and here is spreading their hatred
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 22 February 2021 19: 19
        +3
        I don’t know, I haven’t met. Such people should be caught and given two years old for inciting hatred.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 22 February 2021 21: 22
          +3
          Sometimes, at protests, correspondents come across people with Ukrainian flags, sometimes they talk to them, take interviews ... bulk from a village near Kiev, ...
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 23 February 2021 09: 16
            +1
            Well, they are being caught. By the way, our idiots may wander with the flags of Ukraine.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 23 February 2021 09: 37
              +3
              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              Well, they are being caught. By the way, our idiots may wander with the flags of Ukraine.

              It seems that the girl has Ukrainian roots in the Constitution, as well as the Urengoyskykol, in my opinion.
              Zrobitchane. Here, yes, they probably try to keep quiet so as not to lose their jobs. At the same time, there was a Ukrainian chef from a St. Petersburg cafe, who made all sorts of nasty things on the Web. Fired.
  • halpat
    halpat 22 February 2021 16: 28
    -1
    Quote: svp67
    It is foolish to believe in the statements of a political scientist who has been predicting either the collapse of Ukraine or the murder of Poroshenko for years ... He is just working out his piece of bread

    with a good piece of bacon smile and sometimes vodka 150 grams.
    I like to listen to it if it comes across on the radio.
    he is so humorous.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 22 February 2021 21: 43
    0
    Ishchenko is right about the possibilities of the entire state of the outskirts. And friends are asking us to do it against our will and Ishchenko. This is not even a compromise, a retreat.
  • Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 23 February 2021 07: 12
    +1
    Excuse me, hasn't Ukraine collapsed? Crimea is gone, part of Donbass too.
  • Terenin
    Terenin 23 February 2021 16: 32
    +4
    It should be noted that in Kiev it has been repeatedly stated that in the event of a military conflict, the Ukrainian army will not only stop the offensive of the "Russian aggressor", but also go on the offensive, reclaim its territory, and then "reach Moscow."
    Ah, in the morning they woke up (in a sobering-up station)
  • Quadro
    Quadro 22 February 2021 14: 34
    +2
    Will Russia come to war?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 22 February 2021 14: 38
      +2
      Strelkov announces the death of militias in the LPNR on February 20 ...
      7 - "200", about the same - "300" ",
      A group of a motorized rifle battalion, which moved forward to carry out a mission, was completely destroyed. "Information about the route, as always, was safely" leaked. "Therefore, the group was ambushed by a mine-explosive ambush. The last of them, the wounded soldier - the seventh in a row - died this morning in the hospital," he said.

      https://www.mk.ru/politics/2021/02/22/strelkov-rasskazal-ob-unichtozhenii-opolchencev-kiev-nachal-plan-b.html
      How could this happen.?
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 22 February 2021 14: 44
        +7
        If this happened, who knows how many informers and traitors are left on the territory of the DPR-LPR? Some henchmen of the Euro-fascists during the Great Patriotic War, despite the struggle with them by the special services, survived the USSR, and the supporters of the Euro-Reich are now in power in the outskirts, how is this possible? !!
      2. Igoresha
        Igoresha 22 February 2021 14: 46
        0
        they also wrote that the DPR military do not trust their MGB colleagues + remember the abduction of Tsemakh
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 22 February 2021 14: 50
          -2
          So for you, they have not worked ... hi
      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 22 February 2021 16: 35
        -2
        Bezler's wife posted more figures in the "mordobook" - up to 20 people killed. But the details are also scarce. Only Basurin got it as a "tell-tale". In an obscene form.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 23 February 2021 12: 41
          +1
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Bezler's wife posted more figures in the "mordobook" - up to 20 people killed. But the details are also scarce. Only Basurin got it as a "tell-tale". In an obscene form.

          Leader... This is in your tribe, perhaps matriarchy, and Bezler (myself and personally) - just publishes on the wife's page your thoughts.
          It just so happened yes

  • VORON538
    VORON538 22 February 2021 14: 37
    +2
    Why are they all filling the price of this Ukraine. In order for a conflict to occur, it is necessary that the Ukrainian "warriors of the world" dumped insolently on Russia. Even their bosses do not agree to this, and these Euroholdings will be brought under control if necessary by the militias in Donbass. They received, All right, invaluable experience in seven cauldrons. Although idiots should not be underestimated, because even today they do not know where they will climb tomorrow.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 February 2021 14: 38
    -1
    laughing Oppodi yes as much as possible Well declare already. laughing
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 22 February 2021 14: 58
      +4
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      laughing Oppodi yes as much as possible Well declare already. laughing

      Gennady, the arrival of Russia, is like the second coming. Everyone knows what will happen, but they don't know when. wink
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 22 February 2021 21: 46
        0
        When it removes itself
        ..................................
  • rocket757
    rocket757 22 February 2021 14: 38
    +6
    in Kiev, it was repeatedly stated that in the event of a military conflict, the Ukrainian army would not only stop the offensive of the "Russian aggressor", but also go on the offensive, recapture its territories, and then "reach Moscow

    Who cares what they say in Cueva .... the upper ones there will sniff, if anything, faster than their own screeching.
    1. cniza
      cniza 22 February 2021 15: 30
      +4
      They are funny, so why couldn't they do anything with Donbass ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 February 2021 15: 44
        +2
        So they need to stimulate their skakuasiks ... that's more, that's selflessly, especially since they can't offer anything else.
        1. cniza
          cniza 22 February 2021 16: 17
          +3
          Well, yes, to surrender and be taken prisoner on full allowance ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 February 2021 18: 51
            +3
            There was, after all, not the poor side .... so to lower production, to rip off the people, we still have to try.
            1. cniza
              cniza 22 February 2021 21: 13
              +4
              The economy was larger than that of France, but the Raguli in power lost everything, however, everything was not very normal with us ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 22 February 2021 21: 57
                +1
                The turning point ... breaks everyone, not all are preserved intact.
  • mark1
    mark1 22 February 2021 14: 41
    +4
    the Ukrainian army will not only stop the offensive of the "Russian aggressor", but also ... ... "will reach Moscow."
    In a foot column under escort.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 22 February 2021 14: 46
      0
      It is desirable to "jump on the spot, try to escape" and turn from the machine. hiOranges will not be born from an aspen, and nothing good will come from such, as history shows, it has been tested and proven !!!
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 22 February 2021 14: 47
    +1
    Curious who ordered the opinion of these "experts" right now?
  • Azef
    Azef 22 February 2021 14: 51
    +2
    We don't need the whole Outskirts .. But here's the line Odessa-Kiev-Kharkiv. Then take it out and put it .. Well, so that without Bandera, they will come across without trial and investigation, like mad dogs will quietly finish, the guys in front from Donbass.! soldier
    And then how to do it ..
  • Dimide
    Dimide 22 February 2021 14: 54
    -10%
    According to the polls of "Rating" dated 12.10.20/59/12, 33% are ready to defend the territorial integrity of Ukraine with arms in hand. For comparison, in XNUMX -XNUMX%.
    What to do with the motivated population?
    So Ishchenko is wishful thinking
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 22 February 2021 15: 18
      +6
      Quote: Dimid
      What to do with the motivated population?

      Motivated headless? So it wanted "from Europe"? ...

      So let him jump there. The kick to accelerate will be yes
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 22 February 2021 15: 24
        -4
        A smarter comment was expected from you
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 22 February 2021 15: 33
          +8
          Quote: Dimid
          A smarter comment was expected from you


          Do not wait No. , just as we did not wait for reasonable and balanced actions from you, seven years ago.

          Quote: Dimid
          According to the "Rating" polls dated 12.10.20/59/XNUMX, XNUMX% are ready to defend the territorial integrity of Ukraine in arms.


          Ratings ... They are such ratings, and above all, you can't smear them on bread, and they don't make your mouth sweet,
          No matter how someone winds them up, how they want and profitably ...
    2. Ugochaves
      Ugochaves 22 February 2021 15: 55
      +3
      To promise is not to marry.
      On the phone, during the survey, all Aniki-warriors, and how it comes to business, they quickly pretend to be hoses
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 22 February 2021 15: 58
        -5
        Grozny, too, with the forces of one regiment, someone threatened to take the ISIS in Syria, which once won
        1. Profiler
          Profiler 23 February 2021 05: 23
          0
          Quote: Dimid
          Grozny, too, with the forces of one regiment, someone threatened to take

          Here it is - "Moment of the truth", an indicator by which you and Ukraine personally are stuck, and live in the categories of the 90s of the XNUMXth century ..
          This is the XXI century, and Russia, our army, and the categories of thinking of the leadership are somewhat different.

          Quote: Dimid
          ISIS in Syria once again won


          ISIS, as a quasi-structure dispersed under the guise of a state, no longer exists as a single center. There remained separate, scattered centers of resistance.
          Your "heroes" too, almost before Gagarin's flight, ran around the Carpathians and portrayed "ta-ta-ta", which in no way meant the presence of a single centralized UPA structure ...
          1. Dimide
            Dimide 23 February 2021 09: 02
            -7
            Smiled, especially "slightly different categories of thinking"
            Let me explain on my fingers, except for the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Ukraine in every region, there are motivated territorial defense troops with all the necessary infrastructure
            So if something happens, it will be "fun"
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 22 February 2021 19: 07
      0
      What for is this "integrity" when there is no independence? lol
  • tochila
    tochila 22 February 2021 14: 56
    0
    The Ukrainian military has the largest in the world ............. LIVER !!!!!!!
  • bobba94
    bobba94 22 February 2021 14: 58
    +3
    This political scientist does not need to invent anything. In November 2017, the deputy head of the Crimean Tatar Mejlis, Ilmi Umerov, said in an interview with the journalists of the Novoye Vremya portal that in 2014 the SBU and police officers in Crimea turned out to be 100% traitors, the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - by 80%, the prosecutor's office - by 70%. In response to such a statement by Umerov, the People's Deputy of Ukraine Tymchuk D. said that Umerov got excited and gave official figures. They went over to the side of Russia and took the oath:
    - 86,4% of SBU employees;
    - 70,4% of the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine;
    - 86% of officers of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (there is no information on conscripts of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs)
  • Andrea
    Andrea 22 February 2021 15: 00
    0
    Since when have political scientists become experts on everything? I just took it and threw it with hats, but it's okay that there are the same stubborn ones as we are?
    1. major147
      major147 22 February 2021 16: 06
      0
      Quote: Andrea
      but nothing that there are the same stubborn as we are?

      And why should they "resist"?
    2. beeper
      beeper 22 February 2021 17: 21
      0
      Quote: Andrea
      Since when have political scientists become experts on everything? I just took it and threw it with hats, but it's okay that there are the same stubborn ones as we are?

      Okstis, Andryusha! Turn on your head !!!
      Why should we, the Ukrainian working population, "balk" ??!
      What, for the "frostbitten on the whole head" ameroholuyskiy anti-people Russophobic w / Bandera kleptovom power of small-town goons and Galicia villagers who seized and occupied Kiev and the entire former Ukrainian SSR, who turned it into a poor Washington "reservation" with open genocide! "
      Yes, come in large numbers of Kiev "w / Bandera" and, serving them, the militant Galician Bandera, as in the case of Poroshenko's "cauldrons" - "graves", lively pull "skerry" to Poland and Israel, and then - "at Ameryku-Evropa", and local "Ukrainian" marginals and "svidomye" educated people, just like in the Crimea, will quickly "change their shoes in a jump" and will "tell" that they allegedly "have always been for Russia and the Russian world"!
      The punitive militants ("wiped out by the ATO" and "volunteers") will "repent" that they allegedly did not volunteer to kill and rob Russian citizens in the South-East, but they were allegedly "forced" ...
      But yes, vile crap on the sly "Svidomo" Banderlo is capable of and will, if they are too soft to handle, these insidious genetic lackeys respect only strength and understand only a strict master's treatment!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 22 February 2021 15: 02
    +2
    Yes, this cannot be, Vakarov, foaming at the mouth, has been proving for the seventh year that they are at war with Russia. I look at him and think, is he really an idiot or just a Bandera provocateur?
    1. major147
      major147 22 February 2021 16: 09
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      is he true or just a Bandera provocateur?



      I call people like him and others like him "professional Ukrainians!"
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 22 February 2021 15: 13
    -1
    So what are we waiting for? Why hasn't a corridor to Crimea been broken through?
  • Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 22 February 2021 15: 19
    0
    They will oppose only with a wide open mouth and yelling ".... AT US ANALYSIS !!! ...."
  • cniza
    cniza 22 February 2021 15: 29
    +3
    According to some Ukrainian politicians, 350 Ukrainian servicemen received combat experience on the "eastern front."


    There is nothing good in this and no one needs the experience of getting into the boilers ...
  • Growlers
    Growlers 22 February 2021 15: 40
    +3
    Storytellers who have not served in the army for a single day, let alone fought .... In short, "we plowed me and the tractor"
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 22 February 2021 15: 42
    +2
    A little off topic, but now in Russia something like a flash mob, sue Gorbachev for his 90th birthday on March 2.
    Probably all who suffered from his illegal actions have every moral right to do this.
  • major147
    major147 22 February 2021 15: 48
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    to receive territories with a destroyed economy and infrastructure, a partially hostile population and having a huge debt both to its own population and to international organizations and investors.

    Since the beginning of the Maidan, I have always suspected the West of a trick. Drive ukroeconomy into dust, inflict discord among the people, blame Russia for all this and hang this overwhelming yoke around Russia.
  • major147
    major147 22 February 2021 16: 04
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    the upper ones there will sniff, if anything, faster than their own screeching.

    "About 10 thousand volunteers from the Russian Federation may be deployed to the territory of the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass in the event of a full-scale offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the region. This statement was made by the head of the Ural branch of the Union of Donbass Volunteers, Maxim Khopin, in a comment to URA.RU."
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 22 February 2021 16: 30
    0
    "Ukraine will not even resist the Russian army, and Lvov and Dnepropetrovsk will compete in who will give her flowers faster"
    Not much exaggerated, but in general, it looks like the truth. hi
  • RUSS
    RUSS 22 February 2021 16: 44
    0
    Igor Strelkov (Girkin) in an interview about the Ukrainian army in Donbass.
    "- Stable in defense. These are the same Russian soldiers. They consider themselves ancient Ukrainians, Ukrainians or whatever. In fact, these are Russian people. They are unpretentious, ready for hardships. In general, all the qualities of a Russian soldier. Other strong I don't see the sides of the Ukrainian army.

    Everything else is a consequence of 23 years of collapse, the same as ours, multiplied by their mentality. Their bosses ... beyond any criticism. Average officer corps more or less. "
  • major147
    major147 22 February 2021 17: 10
    0
    Quote: hydrox
    the strength of their DIFFERENT consciousness: a Bandera member NEVER, not even after 10-20 years of imprisonment in a camp, will become a Russian:

    In my opinion, the real Bandera stratum is not significant there. It's just that with the lumpen temporarily joined to them, they scream loudly, thereby creating the appearance of a large number. And if the power changes, the lumpen will quickly reorient themselves and, shouting "Putin will come to order, restore order" in slender columns they will go to beat the Bandera. But I am not touching on this topic, but only talking about the economic aspect.
  • agoran
    agoran 22 February 2021 21: 24
    +2
    Tex, gentlemen, read the comments, we summarize:
    - for the Russian Federation all 404 is not needed, I agree
    - on the left bank of the Dnieper - Novorossiya, I agree
    - We need large financial injections from the Russian Federation, I do not agree, support, but no more than to Belarus
    Tell about the resistance to schoolchildren, there will be a new SMERSH, I hope this time Bandera bastard will not be taken prisoner.
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 22 February 2021 22: 19
    0
    They will resist, fanatics and war criminals sick of Russophobia who have nothing to lose, there is enough in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the SBU and other Bandera gangs.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 22 February 2021 23: 07
    -2
    do not become brothers again. ENOUGH. Let the Ukrainians go to Europe, let the Europeans support them. ENOUGH with us. If pensioners have an itch, then let them transfer their pension to the maintenance of Ukrainian veterans. military research institutes.
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 23 February 2021 19: 11
    0
    According to some Ukrainian politicians, 350 Ukrainian servicemen received combat experience on the "eastern front."
    If Putin and Russia come to this war, and if not? Then what will these wars do?
  • certero
    certero 23 February 2021 22: 11
    0
    Each vegetable has its own time. We did not reach the Dniester in 2014; now there is no point in fighting at all.
  • zenion
    zenion 24 February 2021 00: 21
    0
    So the hell you need to fight with Ukraine. They always said this - the war would be faster and surrender to prisoner. In Soviet times, you had to work. Freedom came from Hitler to work no longer needed. Of course there was work, but to my liking. Kill, undress and bury, but this is exactly what they have been taught for centuries. Russia should not liberate Ukraine, let them live like that, if they can. Let them fight and surrender to Moldova.
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 24 February 2021 03: 37
    0
    Not that !!! - the whole "civil" world is waiting for the start and surrender !? they are very tired of all the beggars.
  • Pardus22
    Pardus22 24 February 2021 06: 23
    0
    Donbass had to be annexed to Russia back in 14, right after the referendum. Thousands of civilians would have been saved, and not only in Donbass, but also in Odessa. We would have received sanctions in any case. And what does the "destroyed" industry have to do with it? at that time it had not yet reached the current level of collapse. Plus highly qualified personnel. If we do not now take under the protection of the population gravitating towards joining with Russia, in the near future, we can get exactly as many opponents that the West will use for its own purposes. And the ports on The Black Sea must be taken away. This is a matter of Russia's national security. And it would be quite nice to "break through" the corridor to Transnistria.
  • Alt 22
    Alt 22 24 February 2021 09: 50
    0
    Dear forum users, can you remind me of at least one of Ishchenko's predictions that came true?
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