UAE may become an investor in the creation of a Russian supersonic airliner

The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov told reporters about the creation of a joint venture for the production of a domestic business jet, which will be co-founded by the Emirati sovereign wealth fund Mubadala and the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC).

This was told in the news agency TASS.

Today the head of the state corporation "Rostec" Sergei Chemezov, present at the international arms exhibition IDEX, clarified in an interview with reporters that the production of this equipment had previously been decided to be located in Russia, and the UAE could become an investor in the creation of this Russian supersonic airliner.

For now, perhaps, production will be completely with us. Maybe the UAE will participate as a financial investor. But everything is still at the initial stage.

- quotes the words of Chemezov agency RIA News.

Yesterday Denis Manturov announced that it is planned to create two versions of a business jet capable of traveling faster than the speed of sound. One of them is an eight-seat VIP aircraft, while the other will carry up to 30 passengers.

Back in 2018, Russian President Vladimir Putin put forward the idea of ​​creating a Russian supersonic passenger aircraft based on the Tu-160 strategic bomber. Shortly thereafter, the KLA reported that they were using in work on a new project related to a supersonic civilian aviation, some developments applied in the Tu-160.

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[tralflot1832]

For other people's money and hypersonic we will do it. For your money, any whim. Love the speed, go to AVIATION!

[iouris]

Do it first. ("Don't tell the gop ...")
It is not very difficult to knock down the device. It is difficult to create a marketable product. Then the fines will have to be paid to the Arabs.

[tralflot1832]

I have no doubt we will do it, the UAC will do everything. You give a passenger supersonic sound (it was originally for the rich, they did not fly on Kankord), we keep the hyper in mind.

[Piramidon]

Quote: tralflot1832

I have no doubt we will

The main thing is that a bunch of "effective managers" and an endless staff of all kinds of "directors" with sticky hands do not stick to the project.

[tralflot1832]

They are already present at the UAC, but they are probably the right managers, since everything is uphill in the aircraft industry.

[SSR]

Quote: Piramidon

The main thing is that a bunch of "effective managers" and an endless staff of all kinds of "directors" do not stick to the project

Believe it or not, it’s just effective managers that are missing. They take a manager for the project, the poor puffs up, pushes, pulls, tries, but here and there are no cushions, people can't stand it and quit. There are very few people who are capable of realistically managing and managing large projects.

The deadlines are tight and there is a very shortage of specialists 35-55 years old, young specialists are constantly inhibited by 80-year-old veterans, the continuity of the engineering school was broken. Old people say you can't do that! Young people try new things and, in fact, learn from scratch from their own mistakes.

[Overlock]

Quote: tralflot1832

.Give passenger supersonic

So Tu-144 and Concorde were already .. in the last century

[tralflot1832]

So the moneybags want to measure not only yachts, but also business jets. A new niche opens up supersonic. Yes, they did, but both ended badly. And with the first Tu 144 in La Bourget it turned out to be dark, and probably not without the "help" of the paddling pool.

[Vadim237]

They are already doing "While European politicians are engaged in the sanctions games, scientists from Europe willingly continue to cooperate with their Russian colleagues in the most advanced areas." ...

There is clear stagnation in modern civil aviation. Turboprops are getting bigger and more comfortable, but not faster. Experiments with supersonic airliners were generally unsuccessful, and the cost of flights was too high. It's all about, of course, the physical limitations of the airframe design and the capabilities of the fuel.

Currently, many new materials have been created, and methods for producing hydrogen, the fuel with the highest specific heat of combustion, have become much cheaper. These factors prompted the researchers to start developing a hypersonic passenger aircraft that can fly at a speed of 7-8 thousand km / h.

Russian TsAGI plays a key role in development. Scientists, designers and engineers have to solve a number of fundamentally new problems. Obviously, the design of the liner will be very different from modern aircraft. It is necessary to develop a safe hydrogen engine. Undoubtedly, it is necessary to solve the problem of takeoff, landing and smooth acceleration so that passengers do not experience overload.

Enough work has already been done. According to preliminary calculations, the fuel consumption of such a hypersonic airliner will not be more than that of a Boeing 747, but the flight from Moscow to Sydney will take only three hours. The appeal to Russian specialists is due to the fact that they have experience working with hydrogen engines. Experiments in this area began in Soviet times. Basically, of course, all these developments were of a military nature, but now TsAGI specialists are working on creating a civilian liner.

[Temples]

Quote: iouris

Do it first.

Quote: iouris

Then the fines will have to be paid to the Arabs.

You lost immediately.
Admitted defeat without even having time to fart.

Katz offers to surrender.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: iouris

Do it first. ("Don't tell the gop ...")

Our design bureaus have had these projects for a long time. There would be a desire and money to order them.
Sukhoi Design Bureau Sukhoi Supersonic Business Jet (SSBJ, C-21)

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Tupolev Design Bureau Tu-444

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[Overlock]

Quote: Bad_gr

Our design bureaus have had these projects for a long time. There would be a desire and money to order them.

Why is the Tu-160 not suitable?

[New Year day]

The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov told reporters about the creation of a joint venture to produce domestic business jet

This is what they think about - about themselves and their own kind, dear ones. What for them industrial growth, the development of science and civil aviation and other unnecessary industries! Them

domestic business jet ..

needed for 30 persons with supersonic! Probably to get out of the country faster than the sound

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Silvestr

needed for 30 persons with supersonic! Probably to get out of the country faster than the sound

And all the same, to paraphrase one "eloquent" person: "Not only everyone will succeed, few people will be able to do it."

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

"I recently met with the victims. So here they are, unhappy."
V. Klitschko

[vvvjak]

Quote: Silvestr

Them
domestic business jet ..
needed for 30 persons with supersonic! Probably to get out of the country faster than the sound

To whom are they - sheikhs from the UAE? They pay

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Sheikhs for 30 persons will not work. They only have wives in harems, a whole Boeing 737.

[vvvjak]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Sheikhs for 30 persons will not work. They only have wives in harems, a whole Boeing 737.

But you can quickly "dash" to Las Vegas, leave a couple of cartoons in the casino until none of the harem "stocks".

[prior]

Sheikhs will only take their beloved Gulchatay into a supersonic plane.

[Overlock]

Quote: vvvjak

To whom are they - sheikhs from the UAE? They pay

How can we distinguish ourselves before

BUSINESS JET AIRBUS A-318 for 18 people, 850 km / h
or

BOEING BUSINESS JET: 50 passengers, speed 850 km / h

[vvvjak]

Supersonic, about 1200 km / h and above.

[Overlock]

Quote: vvvjak

Supersonic, about 1200 km / h and above.

What's the point? Isn't it going to bring the rocket to the launch point? Now online business is being done and the speed is higher and at home, in a warm place.

[vvvjak]

And what's the point of buying high-speed cars, you can also take the metro. Better not to leave the house.

[New Year day]

Quote: vvvjak

And what's the point of buying high-speed cars, you can also take the metro

on our roads and Lombardy?

[tralflot1832]

They think about the engineers of the UAC Design Bureau about the workers of the UAC, but well, they do not forget themselves.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Quite possible. But if they "forget about themselves", then about the engineers of the UAC design bureau, except for the state, no one will remember.)

[tralflot1832]

Tops everywhere from the contract have their own gesheft! I think at the UAC the mood of workers has risen after this news, from General to Aircraft Assembly.

[Eldorado]

It would be nice to have such a supersonic airplane to export all the dissatisfied from the country.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: El Dorado

It would be nice to have such a supersonic airplane to export all the dissatisfied from the country.

Well, well, there is such a work by Saltykov-Shchedrin, it is called: "The story of how one man fed two generals.", Re-read at your leisure.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Too bold for the "dissatisfied". We have centuries-old traditions - the dissatisfied are transported in freight cars or a carriage.

[New Year day]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

We have centuries-old traditions - the dissatisfied are transported in freight cars or in a carriage.

Forgot about the shootings and barges to the bottom

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Yeah .. In the Crimea, it seems. A barge with regular officers of the Imperial Army .. Our history is great and the same bloody.

[New Year day]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

In Crimea, it seems. Barge with career officers of the Imperial Army

Bela Kun and Zemlyachka

[don-1500]

Quote: El Dorado

It would be nice to have such a supersonic airplane to export all the dissatisfied from the country.

And who will feed you "satisfied"? Tajiks? Do you want that? Tajiks are happy with everything, resigned .... for the time being.

[don-1500]

No, they will skewer like Kerensky. Yudashkin will sew them dresses

[Cron]

Quote: Silvestr

This is what they think about - about themselves and their own kind, dear ones. What for them industrial growth, the development of science and civil aviation and other industries they do not need!

And who is the MS-21 for, and all the other projects? In order to skedaddle could bureaucrats of a lower rank or what? Isn't this the development of civil aviation? The same vaccine is not a development of science? As there Navalny said that even the WHO laughs at this, that this is all a lie. In reality, you have already got it with your endless whining. Have time to wipe the snot or something.
Well, they will make a niche product from the UAE, what's wrong with that?

[Overlock]

Quote: Cron

And who is the MS-21 for, and all the other projects? In order to skedaddle could bureaucrats of a lower rank or what? Isn't this the development of civil aviation?

So finish the MC-21! Sukhoi Superjet 100LR made and how has it influenced the leasing of aircraft from Airbus and Boeing?
The flagship carrier of Russia "Aeroflot" has a percentage of operation of these airliners no more than 3,5 percent! But the first serial board was put into operation on April 19 2011 of the year. Exactly 10 years have passed and where is the import substitution?

[Cron]

So finish the MC-21! Sukhoi Superjet 100LR made and how has it influenced the leasing of aircraft from Airbus and Boeing?
The flagship carrier of Russia "Aeroflot" has a percentage of operation of these airliners of no more than 3,5 percent! But the first serial board was put into operation on April 19, 2011. Exactly 10 years have passed and where is the import substitution?

Well, go ahead and finish it. What have I got to do with it? And the fact that these projects are generally being implemented, albeit with great difficulties, is the development of civil aviation. And this supersonic airliner, together with the UAE, is also the development of the same aviation and science.

[Israel]

You in Russia do not understand, they do not do badly, they do something too badly. For me it is a miracle that Russia has preserved the aviation industry (both military and civilian), that Russia is capable of producing, in principle, any type of aircraft, and if the Arabs are ready to pay for the production of business jets, then why not make them. To make a serial jet, and even a supersonic business jet, is quite a development of science and industrial growth.

Probably to get out of the country faster than the sound
If they want to run away, they will run away to Il-e, no one will catch up.

[ccsr]

Maybe the UAE will participate as a financial investor.

What for us with promises to feed - give a specific agreement and the amount they invest, and only then we will throw the caps. In the meantime, there is again an information flood, which is not really supported by anything. Why this dregs are spread by narrow-minded propagandists is completely incomprehensible.

[antivirus]

Chatter - to justify travel and representation .........

[Aviator_]

For several years we have been running a program with the European Union to research a passenger aircraft with a reduced sonic boom from shock waves. And that's all. I ran out of money. If the UAE finances this program, it will be very good, but so far there is only a letter of intent.

[bayard]

Quote: ccsr

Why this dregs are spread by narrow-minded propagandists is completely incomprehensible.

This is for the clips.
Oil - so as not to creak.

This chatter is really annoying - there is nothing, nothing has been agreed, but the fanfare is thundering with bass ...

[stalki]

They'll start with us and then split off with the documentation. And they will collect their own, already on the established base. Don't trust by default.

[Pete mitchell]

It's a good idea to shake up the Arabs to participate in finances, at the same time they will look after.
They actually saved the AW609 tiltrotor program at one time. Well, good luck to all participants

[yfast]

Quote: Silvestr

needed for 30 persons with supersonic! Probably to get out of the country faster than the sound

Many have long been rooting for the country from the rotten west. This is only for force majeure, however, they can knock down.
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[Observer2014]

UAE may become an investor in the creation of a Russian supersonic airliner

Or they may not. The keyword can.

[tralflot1832]

Of course, billion-dollar contracts with "kandochka" are not being formalized.

[CommanderDIVA]

A commercial project of the renovated Concorde for wealthy Arabs, why not? Let them finance, they have a lot of money

[Ros 56]

And that, a good symbiosis, debts can always be paid off, but technologies will remain.

[tralflot1832]

You can't understand the minuses, the money in the hut is bad, the money from the hut is also bad. What do they want, do they want relatives to steer the country? No train left for such!

[Runway]

Have we already restored the production of Tu-160XX L? Have you provided yourself with medium-haul airplanes and small aircraft? Heavy and medium boards for BTA like baking pies?

[prior]

For the Kremlin "sheikhs" show-off has always been more expensive than money.
Made the President "Cortege". So what? How many have you sold abroad?

[123456789]

Indians have already become FGFA investors

[Vadim Ananyin]

And why such a reaction, will it or not ?!
No need to joke that something is wrong with the fact that there will be such a plane?
Who and where will be the question and in what way, I think no one will share!

[Jacket in stock]

I remember several years ago "Tupolev" drew pictures of such a jet, very much like Tu144, only a small one.
Then there were projectors to destroy the passenger pepelats from the MiG29.
Then from Tu160, so as not to waste time on trifles.
Now they have correctly announced - "using the best practices."

Interestingly, will the Americans buy the experience of low-noise supersonic sound, or do they want to "scratch"?
Or are the sheikhs so harsh that they don't care about ICAO standards?

[askort154]

Yesterday Denis Manturov announced that it is planned to create two versions of a business jet capable of traveling faster than the speed of sound. One of them is an eight-seat VIP aircraft, while the other will carry up to 30 passengers.

The Arabs skillfully breed "infidels", using their "dry law", add something more "fierce" to their tea.
In January, Zelensky returned from there, and with "mad eyes", shouted from the podium - "I did not go to the UAE to rest, I brought 3 billion profit for Ukraine, having concluded agreements with them."
He is echoed by our Manturov. (Apparently, tea, from the same bowl!) What the hell, supersonic civil aircraft ?! This already took place in the previous century. We invested crazy resources, and in the end - "zilch". Tu-144 flew to Alma-Ata in 1,5 hours, and passengers then received their luggage within 3 hours.
Practice has shown that a supersonic aircraft was made, but the "ground" remained in the "subsonic zone". We need special tracks, etc. It's the same with the Concorde. Since then, this topic has been closed. But the "sawmakers of the 21st century budget" are trying to drag its distributors onto the old rake.
You, projectors, it is better to think not about 30 local "supersonic-vips", but about subsonic "workers", for the accessible movement of citizens of Russia across its vast expanses.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

There are no such cheerful and trusting people to believe only at the word of a politician. Well, the politician said something there, well, they discussed it violently. Business for a penny. Let's see how his promises end. I, too, at the wedding, promised a lot ... It's a wedding.)

[Ros 56]

Yes Yes. You should have gone and dealt with the Arabs, why do they put everyone in tea? You look, you and them will agree on all the inconsistencies. And what about Manturov, he still has everything written on the water with a pitchfork, and you are already loading a machine gun. Good luck with your trip to the UAE.

[askort154]

Ros 56 ...... Good luck with your trip to the UAE.

Thank ! Same to you.
But I have it already in the past. I have been to the UAE dozens of times.
Not a tourist, and not a "shuttle". I know their manners and hobbies well

[Ros 56]

Ha, so you are already experienced and you know what they put in tea there. Sorry, I didn't know.

[Cook]

Here Alexander, let me disagree with you. Since the beginning of the development of the Tu-144, and Concorde has passed more than half a century, science and technology have stepped far forward during this time. If in the USSR, faced with setbacks, the operation of Supersonic was simply curtailed, then the French and British drove their Cocords across the Atlantic for quite some time. Moreover, despite the higher price, such flights were especially popular among businessmen, artists, etc. The market sector for the production and operation of business jets is quite large. The money is very big. And getting in there with an exclusive product so far will be an absolute success. As for the three-hour waiting time for suitcases, this is not a question of mass transportation. Businessjet users have long had their own parking lots and air terminals, and in some places even airports. And the Arabs will help fight off R&D and promote the aircraft in the future. The developments will come in handy later, I think that you too understand perfectly well that sooner or later, the future will be in supersonic air transportation. And we will already have the relevant experience.

[askort154]

Cook... Here Alexander, let me disagree with you. Since the beginning of the development of the Tu-144, and Concorde has passed more than half a century, science and technology have stepped far forward during this time. If in the USSR, faced with setbacks, the operation of Supersonic was simply curtailed, then the French and British drove their Kokords across the Atlantic for quite some time.

Konstantin, you did not notice that the topic of the resumption of supersonic flights in GA is serious,
in the 21st century, no aircraft corporation is involved. The Concorde flights revealed all
unpromising supersonic flights in GA. The French were the first to "catch on".
Departure from Paris and before leaving for the "Atlantic", where the transition to supersonic sound was allowed, passed along a special route
through Spain. Then ICAO, special routes and areas of supersonic use were identified. It was easier for the British, they used to go "over the sea". Therefore, the French were the first to abandon the operation of the "Concorde", and the British "pulled" until they had the "Concorde" disaster. Everything, since then this topic has been closed.

[Cook]

They didn’t pull, and twenty-seven years of regular flights indicate that there was a certain demand. Promising developments, everyone continues to lead. The transition to supersonic for a small business budget is much easier to organize than for regular flights. The demand for such a flight is very high now. Do not forget about the saying "Time is money". And they will unroll the topic on small ones, then it will be easier with large ones, and new routes to open, and rules to be finalized.

[Cook]

The catastrophe happened to the French. And they were taken out of service after the price of kerosene went up.

[askort154]

Cook.... Do not forget about the saying "Time is money". And they will roll out the topic on small ones, then it will be easier with large ones, and new routes to open, and rules to be finalized.

Konstantin, you are apparently not connected with aviation. And to initiate you into the basics of supersonic flights,
and the conditions and problems associated with this, I, on the scale of the VO resource, cannot do everything for you
"chew". No offense

[Cook]

How it is not connected))) Already 37 years of experience. I flew, I worked on the ground, and I continue. I don't need to explain anything. Here the prospects of hypersonic flights are already being seriously considered. Look, at ICAO discussions are going on about supersonic flights, amendments are being prepared and introduced.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: askort154

Practice has shown that a supersonic aircraft was made, but the "earth" remained in the "subsonic zone". We need special tracks, etc. It's the same with the Concorde.

Yes, large-capacity planes did not justify themselves. But we are talking about small-sized business jets. If the Arabs are ready to pay, for God's sake, and our extra penny is not superfluous. This is the support of KB and hard workers. Nobody says that the buyer will be the Russian civilian fleet.

[askort154]

Alexander Seklitsky .....Yes, large-capacity planes did not justify themselves. But we are talking about small-sized business jets. If the Arabs are willing to pay for God's sake, and our extra penny is not superfluous.

I know how Arab oil sheikhs love to show off. Previously, camel racing, then the coolest "jeeps", then armored personnel carriers and tanks.
Give them today, already "supersonic". I would suggest to them not to build a new type of supersonic business aircraft, but to increase the cockpit on the Su-34 by a couple of seats, and let the sheikhs slurp supersonic to the fullest.
Happy Holidays, namesake! hi: !

[Alexander Seklitsky]

not ... su 34 won't give a ride arab ass needs toilet and leather couch

Quote: askort154

Happy holiday

mutually

[rocket757]

UAE may become an investor in the creation of a Russian supersonic airliner

It is clear that they want to attach money for the future, to start up growth!
Nothing new, but ..... it's better to think carefully before ...

[Old26]

Quote: Bad_gr

Our design bureaus have had these projects for a long time. There would be a desire and money to order them.
Sukhoi Design Bureau Sukhoi Supersonic Business Jet (SSBJ, C-21)

The Sukhoi Design Bureau also has a variant of the C-51, more passenger-carrying than the C-21.

[Wad]

The UAE was 100% shell financier. As A.G. Shipunov said. (GS) ... right at the exhibition in Abu Dhabi, the sheikh gave me a check for $ 100 million and 7 years before the completion and show, he never mentioned how things were going.

[fa2998]

Quote: tralflot1832

I have no doubt we will do it, the UAC will do everything. You give a passenger supersonic sound (it was originally for the rich, they did not fly on Kankord), we keep the hyper in mind.

What is the extra money? Again without alagols, the world's first supersonic business jet.
Is there an economic rationale? And those who wish are already signing up? The Arabs might give it, but the plane will be built with the money of the Russian taxpayer. Were we projects Il-86 \ 96, Tu-144 did a lot? A dozen. Money was written off.
As "Aurus" .12 billion was persuaded, they said now clients will come running from all over the world. Something is not running. Roll-Royce is already held in high esteem there, in experience and quality. So far, I do not see the market return of the project.

[ccsr]

Quote: fa2998

. So far I do not see the market return of the project.

Where did you get the idea that executive limousines should give the same profit as mass-use cars? They are made for prestige, which means that you cannot count on profit. Even Rolls-Royce earns most of its revenue from the sale of aircraft engines, and they had to compensate for the losses in the automotive industry through cooperation with BMW. And only after that did they make a profit again.

[Vadim237]

There is no mass production of Aurus yet. "The first deliveries of Yelabuga production vehicles to customers are scheduled for May 2021."

[Zaurbek]

The problem is not to do ....... but to sell and then use with profitability.

[Vadim237]

For this aircraft, it is necessary to create a supersonic engine with minimal fuel consumption and most likely already a hybrid electric jet engine, since according to the new EU regulations, after 2030, environmentally friendly installations for engines will be significantly toughened and the same in terms of noise.

[Zaurbek]

The question is the profitability of all this ... ... then.

[fa2998]

Quote: ccsr

And only after that did they make a profit again.

Does that mean 12 billion down the drain ?! Good business ...
Why then tell fairy tales, a whole generation is created on this platform, interest around the world. They said, we make a car to the president, prestige, domestic, patriotism, etc. We would understand.

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