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Ukrainian Sapsans pose a significant threat to S-300PM1 and S-400 with standard ammunition

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While the operational-tactical situation in the Donbass theater of military operations has once again acquired a steady tendency towards aggravation, due to the final failure of the unviable "Minsk format" and providing Moscow with a well-founded carte blanche to provide the 1st and 2nd army corps of the NM with the military -technical and informational support in the upcoming confrontation with the units of the regular Ukrainian army, a certain amount of concern is caused by unexpected information about the resumption of the final phase of the development of the promising operational-tactical missile system Sapsan by the State Enterprise Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, also known under the export name "Thunder -2 "at the design stage of the" Arabian modification "of the OTRK, as well as as part of the demonstration at several international arms exhibitions since 2013.


The acquisition of operational combat readiness by the Ukrainian OTRK "Sapsan" requires immediate adjustments to the program and schedule of re-equipment of anti-aircraft missile regiments deployed in the Voronezh and Rostov regions


Indeed, in the light of the unquestioning implementation by the National Security and Defense Council of the "Independent" of the relevant recommendations of the Biden administration, the State Department and the US Defense Department on the accelerated bringing of the Donbass and Azov-Black Sea regions into a pre-escalation state, as well as against the background of the active participation of specialists from American military-industrial corporations "Raytheon" and "Lockheed Martin" in the design of modern inertial navigation units and gas-dynamic control units for the promising 300-mm guided rockets "Alder-M", it is possible that the new OTRK will gain operational readiness as soon as possible, and then attempts to use it, both against the units of the army corps of the NM LDNR, and against strategically important facilities of the Russian Armed Forces on the territory of the Western and Southern military districts.

In view of the current circumstances, a detailed analysis of the geography of application, as well as the assumed electrodynamic and flight technical parameters (including the features of flight modes on the cruise and terminal sections of the trajectories) of the Sapsan operational-tactical ballistic missiles for the subsequent development of the most effective measures to counter the new threat through anti-aircraft missile systems of the military air defense and the Aerospace Forces of Russia.

Taking into account the proposal recently voiced by the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Vladislav Krikliy on the provision of airspace to the "square" for the transfer of forces and means of the NATO allied forces by means of a military transport aviation, as well as monitoring the operational-tactical situation along the Russian-Ukrainian border, it is extremely difficult not to come to the conclusion that in the event of an escalation scenario in the Ukrainian airspace over the Kherson, Kharkov and Sumy regions, not only Global Hawks may appear, but also the RC-135V / W "Rivet Joint" strategic radio and electronic reconnaissance aircraft.

The RTR 55000 AEELS systems integrated into the avionics of these machines are capable of detecting any types of radar detectors and radars for illumination and guidance of domestic air defense systems (with the determination of coordinates and analysis of their frequency parameters and operating modes) up to the radio horizon line, ranging from several tens to 435 km (depending on from the high-altitude echelon of operation "Rivet Joint").

As a result, the brigades of RC-135V / W Block 8 operators will be able to provide the combat crews of the Ukrainian Sapsans with the coordinates of our S-300PM1 / 2 and S300V4 anti-aircraft missile regiments (while entering their ranges), which cover strategically important infrastructure in Rostov, Voronezh, Belgorod and Kursk regions.

Being a conceptual (and partially constructive) analogue of the 9M723-1 Iskander-M operational-tactical ballistic missiles, the Sapsan OTBR not only has a similar configuration for the placement of aerodynamic rudders, but also boasts the presence of tail units for gas-dynamic correction in the pitch and yaw planes (four 7-nozzle gas-dynamic modules with 7 individual gas generators for each OTBR).

As a consequence, we are dealing with a high-speed OTBR (about 5-6M), which has a ballistic or quasi-ballistic flight trajectory with an apogee of 25-30 to 70 km and the ability to attack enemy anti-aircraft missiles in a dive mode at an angle of 90 degrees, carrying out intensive anti-aircraft maneuvers with overloads 20-25G.


Gas generator and nozzle modules of the impulse gas dynamic correction system installed on the prototype OTRK "Sapsan"

Based on this information, one can come to the conclusion that the OTBR data will pose an extremely serious threat to the 108th and 1536th anti-aircraft missile regiments S-300PM1 and S-400 "Triumph" stationed in the Voronezh and Rostov regions, equipped with anti-aircraft guided missiles 48N6E and 48N6DM with semi-active radar homing heads, which do not intercept air attack weapons diving at the attacked division at angles of more than 64 degrees (into the "dead funnel" - outside the elevation sector of view of the PFAR divisional radar for illumination and guidance 30 / 92N6E ).

Moreover, even in the case of intercepting the approaching Sapsan OTBR, even on the marching sections of quasi-ballistic trajectories (until the moment the three hundred / four hundred thousand illuminated radars are out of the elevation sector), a problem may arise due to the insufficient overloads of long-range missiles 48N6E / DM.

As you know, the limited constructive margin of safety and the possibility of using only the aerodynamic control system after the solid propellant rocket charge burns out (during the solid propellant rocket engine's operation, the gas-jet thrust vector deflection system also functions) provides these missiles with available overloads of the order of 30-35 units, which is absolutely insufficient to intercept objects carrying out anti-aircraft maneuvers with overloads of more than 17G (this list may also include the Sapsan OTBR).

Promising S-350 "Vityaz" air defense systems and 9M96E / DM air defense systems - help in the formation of an unshakable anti-missile "barrier" over the covered objects


This situation can be radically changed, first of all, by re-equipping the 108th and 1536th air defense missile systems with the latest S-350A Vityaz medium / long-range anti-aircraft missile systems.

The 9M96E / DM interceptor missiles included in the ammunition of these air defense missile systems are capable of easily intercepting the most sophisticated aerospace attack weapons that attack the division into a "dead funnel", hiding from the directional pattern of the guidance radar by means of a sheer dive.

This ability is ensured by equipping the 9M96E / DM with active radar seeker of the Slanets family, capable of receiving target designation from third-party radar and / or optical-electronic reconnaissance sources and not requiring continuous illumination using the 50N6A guidance radar.

Moreover, these anti-aircraft missiles are the only super-maneuverable anti-missile missiles in the Russian Aerospace Forces capable of intercepting overloads of the order of 65-70G (providing interception of both the Sapsan OTBR and more maneuverable objects), thanks to the presence of gas-dynamic "blocks" of transverse control.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 24 February 2021 05: 30
    -29%
    Ukrainian Sapsans pose a significant threat to S-300PM1 and S-400 with standard ammunition
    where did they get it? there is hunger, cold and devastation, and they do not know how to do anything ... whator nightingale-skopeevskaya propaganda fsevret?
    1. Profiler
      Profiler 24 February 2021 05: 48
      +8
      Based on this information, one can come to the conclusion that the OTBR data will pose an extremely serious threat to the 108th and 1536th anti-aircraft missile regiments S-300PM1 and S-400 "Triumph" stationed in the Voronezh and Rostov regions, equipped with anti-aircraft guided missiles 48N6E and 48N6DM with semi-active radar homing heads, which do not intercept air attack weapons diving at the attacked division at angles of more than 64 degrees (into the "dead funnel" - outside the elevation sector of view of the PFAR divisional radar for illumination and guidance 30 / 92N6E ).


      A threat ? Probably what

      But who said that OTBR data will not be tracked and shot down over the territories of the DPR and LPR in the case of Rostov, and over the territory, while Ukraine is still in the case of Voronezh?
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 24 February 2021 07: 19
        +2
        Quote: Profiler
        But who said that OTBR data would not be tracked and shot down?

        If you think about it, then the RC-135V / W "Rivet Joint" can be neutralized by fighter aircraft of the Aerospace Forces, "non-professional dangerous maneuvering" has not yet been canceled. laughing
        1. Ingenegr
          Ingenegr 24 February 2021 18: 13
          +3
          Deep air interception уkrainy with the help of fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces ?! What will it look like and what might follow?
          1. businessv
            businessv 24 February 2021 19: 52
            +16
            Quote: Ingenegr
            Interception in the depths of the airspace of Ukraine with the help of fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces ?! What will it look like and what might follow?

            In the event of a threat to our troops in the Southern Military District and Central Military District and an attack on them, the interception in the depths of the square will no longer look the way it seems to you today! This may be followed by the loss of its independent statehood. smile
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 24 February 2021 19: 56
              0
              Quote: businessv
              This may be followed by the loss of its independent statehood.

              continue: invasion of the territory of a foreign country with all the ensuing consequences. This is exactly what the USA needs
              1. businessv
                businessv 24 February 2021 20: 06
                +24
                Quote: Silvestr
                continue: invasion of the territory of a foreign country with all the ensuing consequences. This is exactly what the USA needs

                So we are discussing an article that says:
                Based on this information, we can come to the conclusion that the OTBR data will pose an extremely serious threat to the 108th and 1536th anti-aircraft missile regiments S-300PM1 and S-400 Triumph deployed in the Voronezh and Rostov regions, equipped with anti-aircraft guided missiles 48N6E and 48N6DM with semi-active radar homing heads
                If we are discussing the database on the territory of Russia, which will be conducted by the Independent, then what should we say? Destroy our complexes, with a dear soul we will fight on our territory, on yours, because we are so afraid of NATO ?! smile
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 24 February 2021 22: 12
                  +3
                  Quote: businessv
                  DB on the territory of Russia, which will be kept by the Square,

                  Does it say about shooting at our territory? "Presenting a threat" can also be understood as counteraction.
                  1. akarfoxhound
                    akarfoxhound 25 February 2021 13: 14
                    +3
                    About counteraction, it is written that the threat in the conduct of hostilities, a strike on the positions of the air defense system based on intelligence, and so on. Those. the whole question "around and about" that all the mess is in a state - "the war is already underway", what nafig there are already curtsies?
                    Well, if seriously according to the article itself, then Zhenek Damantsev is still an "analyst"
                    1. Temples
                      Temples 25 February 2021 21: 54
                      0
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      invasion of territory foreign state

                      wassat wassat wassat

                      You probably wanted to write
                      invasion of territory strange state
                      wink laughing

                      A foreign country is a masterpiece! good laughing
                  2. VORON538
                    VORON538 25 February 2021 15: 02
                    0
                    Your outskirts, Sylvester, for which year has been "resisting, fighting, reflecting". So who knows when you will ripen there to blast missiles at Russia. The counter-strike has not been canceled, and there is no need to immediately run up to her skirt with a squeal " but we are for sho ":)))
              2. Johann Klassen
                Johann Klassen 24 February 2021 21: 08
                +4
                When it smells fried, there will be nothing to choose from, and most importantly there is no time.
                Otherwise, as the hero said, the famous Soviet and Russian theater and film actor A. Zbrueva (Vladimir Berezkin), the end of the khan will come.
                Remember the Great Patriotic War.
              3. Aleksandr123
                Aleksandr123 24 February 2021 22: 16
                +7
                "invasion of the territory of a foreign state with all the ensuing consequences. This is exactly what the United States needs"
                And the consequences will be such that the United States will have to get out of this territory. After all, they will not harness for her. And Crimea will finally join Ukraine ... The evil squeal will be immeasurable. But that's okay. After all, here the scenario of an attack on us is played out. We are not a foreign state that is going to be fired at with some regular missiles. This is the same - "consequences".
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 24 February 2021 22: 49
                  +9
                  Quote: Aleksandr123
                  And the consequences will be such that the United States will have to get out of this territory.

                  do not comfort yourself with this! The USA will not leave, there is cannon fodder - Banderlog and "wild swans"
                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 25 February 2021 09: 40
                    +3
                    They will not just clean up, but ahead of their own screeching. It is possible to bully a power with an all-destroying strategic nuclear weapons to a certain extent.
              4. Timon2155
                Timon2155 25 February 2021 13: 07
                +4
                The war is on the doorstep, the position of the terpily is more expensive.
          2. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 25 February 2021 03: 17
            +2
            Quote: Ingenegr
            Interception in the depths of the airspace of Ukraine with the help of fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces ?!

            I'm sorry, out of habit I thought that NATO planes would fly from the sea. But according to the author's scenario, the presence of our fighters in the air will still be useful and will force the scouts to be pulled further from the borders.
          3. Captain45
            Captain45 25 February 2021 08: 01
            +3
            Quote: Ingenegr
            Interception in the depths of the airspace of Ukraine with the help of fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces ?!

            Why is it necessary to have the RF Aerospace Forces? And if they are fighters of the NM DNR Air Force, or volunteers from South Ossetia, or Transnistria?
          4. MstislavHrabr
            MstislavHrabr 25 February 2021 21: 18
            0
            What will prevent us from declaring a no-fly zone over the territory of Donetsk and Luhansk regions (to protect civilians from the use of aviation)? Temporarily. Until Kiev fulfills the Minsk Agreements!
          5. Elisarius
            Elisarius 28 February 2021 14: 55
            +1
            This will be followed by strikes with calibers on radar control points and bases. It is possible to use daggers for special purposes.
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 24 February 2021 09: 07
        +21
        I don’t know who, but we are definitely being fed misinformation: well, what gender the lesson will be put on duty by the S-300/400, without putting at least 1-2 levels of cover from Shells, Thors and Buks and about what "dead funnels" with such cover can we talk?
        1. Dread
          Dread 24 February 2021 09: 53
          +9
          hydrox, what can you want from Damantsev? From one extreme to the other! What kind of funnel of the dead zone can we talk about if there is a short-range air defense system? The author's invention.
        2. Cool but not Igor
          Cool but not Igor 24 February 2021 13: 11
          +11
          The missile Pantsyr C1 Maximum overload
          32 g ensures destruction of high-precision weapons with flight speeds up to 1000 m / s and a minimum effective reflective surface (EOC) of 0,03 - 0,06 m0,7, with a probability of at least XNUMX with one missile
          The Tor 9M331 missile is capable of withstanding overloads up to 30 g and hitting targets maneuvering with overloads up to 12 g.
          The 9M317 missile of the Buk complex had a maximum target speed of 1200 m / s, and it could withstand an acceleration overload of 24G.
          The capabilities of these missiles are not enough to intercept such a highly maneuverable target!
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 24 February 2021 18: 12
            +5
            Target hit range, km 2,5-70
            The height of the defeat of the target, km 0,015-35
            Maximum target speed, m / s 3000
            The number of target channels of the division 36
            SAM 9M317M:
            The mass of the warhead, kg 62
            Maximum available overload, g 24

            BUK M3 has everything better. And it can be controlled from the S-400.
            https://missilery.info/missile/bukm3
      3. Intruder
        Intruder 24 February 2021 11: 53
        +2
        that OTBR data will not be tracked and shot down over the territories of the DPR and LPR in the case of Rostov
        And what, over the territories of the DPR and LPR, or have they already brought complexes with 9M96E / DM missiles with active radar seeker of the "Slate" family based on the S-350s ??? Together with the preparation of calculations ...!?
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 24 February 2021 19: 54
        +8
        Quote: Profiler
        But who said that OTBR data will not be tracked and shot down over the territories of the DPR and LPR in the case of Rostov, and over the territory, while Ukraine is still in the case of Voronezh?

        and who said that it would be 100% likely?
        1. Profiler
          Profiler 26 February 2021 07: 54
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          and who said that it would be 100% likely?

          Did someone promise you that the war would be without loss, bloodless?
          But, at the same time, some part hypothetically of Ukrainian missiles that have achieved their goals on the territory of Russia, this is not a reason to declare the vulnerable ineffectiveness of our air defense and about - "everything is gone" ...
      5. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 25 February 2021 07: 21
        -8
        Quote: Profiler
        Based on this information, one can come to the conclusion that the OTBR data will pose an extremely serious threat to the 108th and 1536th anti-aircraft missile regiments S-300PM1 and S-400 "Triumph" stationed in the Voronezh and Rostov regions, equipped with anti-aircraft guided missiles 48N6E and 48N6DM with semi-active radar homing heads, which do not intercept air attack weapons diving at the attacked division at angles of more than 64 degrees (into the "dead funnel" - outside the elevation sector of view of the PFAR divisional radar for illumination and guidance 30 / 92N6E ).


        A threat ? Probably what

        But who said that OTBR data will not be tracked and shot down over the territories of the DPR and LPR in the case of Rostov, and over the territory, while Ukraine is still in the case of Voronezh?

        And who will allow shooting down something on the territory of a neighboring state?
        1. Profiler
          Profiler 25 February 2021 07: 26
          +12
          Quote: Pilat2009
          And who will allow shooting down something on the territory of a neighboring state?


          belay
          You amaze yes

          Since missiles flew from the territory of Ukraine to Rostov and Voronezh, then that и who will we have to ask?

          It's an act of aggression WAR if you don't understand ...
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 25 February 2021 09: 03
            -2
            Quote: Profiler
            Quote: Pilat2009
            And who will allow shooting down something on the territory of a neighboring state?


            belay
            You amaze yes

            Since missiles flew from the territory of Ukraine to Rostov and Voronezh, then that и who will we have to ask?

            It's an act of aggression WAR if you don't understand ...

            I'm talking about Donbass and not about war
            1. Profiler
              Profiler 25 February 2021 10: 12
              +6
              Quote: Pilat2009
              I'm talking about Donbass and not about war

              Even more amazed yes speaking about Donbass, at the time, and in that article, when discussing Ukraine's plans to hit Voronezh и Rostov.

              I can understand that part of the Rostov region is also Donbass, but your perception is absolutely not clear Voronezh - Donbass yes
        2. Elisarius
          Elisarius 28 February 2021 14: 57
          0
          And who will ask permission from the ruin
    2. Quadro
      Quadro 24 February 2021 07: 45
      +12
      Listen to more uryakaloks from kuev and hang noodles there, for several years they have been threatening to break the bridge with their previous miscarriage, which has not moved anywhere further than cartoons and one or two starts. Well, yes, the aykyu test is OTRK versus SAM. We see on the ukroflot how there is jelly fsevret. Or, as a greenback, people do not vaccinate.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 24 February 2021 09: 03
        +10
        Quote: Quadro
        More uryakalok from kueva listen ...

        Why are our uryakalka better than the Kuevsky? You suggest listening to them, right? I have always written that under no circumstances should we underestimate the fascist state on our borders.
        1. KCA
          KCA 25 February 2021 05: 24
          +5
          Our urya! supported by the installation on the database of more and more air defense regiments, unlike the ukryakoloks, which will be shown a new development, they will make them shout "Sala for Ukraine", and then they say that there is no money for the purchase of wunderwaves, there were at least a dozen articles on VO about "Neptune", but there is nothing to buy them for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all the last pennies go to the USA and now also to Turkey
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 25 February 2021 10: 00
            -2
            Quote: KCA
            Our urya! supported by the deployment of more and more regiments on the database ...

            You are here in this thread, and we will see what you can say about the new shelves
            https://topwar.ru/180296-aviacionnye-kb-v-bomzhi-reformy-po-serdjukovu.html
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 24 February 2021 11: 58
        -12%
        More uryakalok from kueva
        , even hawthorns pulled again !? Well, about cartoons, many have already seen with 20 Machs, or nuclear "Nuclons" in Earth's orbits, and there are also complexes with hypersonic blocks "Meterites", since Soviet times ... and about which they publicly wrote in Western encyclopedias at the end 70s of the last century, though then they somehow safely forgotten and rolled out in cartoons, only at the end of the 10s of this century ... request
        1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 February 2021 16: 45
          +10
          even hawthorns again pulled !?

          Hawthorn is now extremely popular in the Kharkiv region wink
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 24 February 2021 19: 58
            +7
            Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Hawthorn is now extremely popular in the Kharkiv region

            outside the Moscow Ring Road - too
            1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 25 February 2021 19: 12
              +1
              I live outside the Moscow Ring Road, no need to direct us to vain wink
        2. KCA
          KCA 25 February 2021 05: 30
          +5
          And what is hawthorn? If I eat berries every September, it grows in the garden, if the solution - 20 years ago, I treated myself several times, when a friend was fiddling with computers in a pharmacy, he is alcohol, and you can get poisoned with a stick by buying "whiskey" in a reputable store for a very solid money
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 24 February 2021 19: 58
        +16
        Quote: Quadro
        More uryakalok from kueva listen and hang noodles

        it is much worse to shout "urya" and do nothing. And then something freezing rain? How many times has it happened in the history of the country? To completely deny the capabilities of Ukraine's missile engineers is, if not naive, then silly
        1. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 1 March 2021 11: 29
          0
          And how many complexes "Sapsan" are in service with the horse race? And at the same time, how many of these complexes has the Ministry of Defense ordered?
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 24 February 2021 08: 11
      +1
      A lot of propaganda lies. From 14g, partners fly in the south.
      How does Kaliningrad differ from Crimea? Wake up in time - DO NOT OVERWOOK
      ... Hero on the post.
    4. Alekxandr
      Alekxandr 24 February 2021 08: 21
      -10%
      Soloviev speaks correctly.
      Ukraine does not know how to produce anything.
      The pan can be worn by toko.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 24 February 2021 09: 06
        -3
        Quote: Alekxandr
        Soloviev speaks correctly.
        Ukraine does not know how to produce anything.
        The pan can be worn by toko.

        It's funny. Do you know how to cheer up in the morning!
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 24 February 2021 12: 00
        -8
        Ukraine does not know how to produce anything.
        The pan can be worn by toko.
        that's right, they take an example from lovers of aluminum foil hats ... so that the bloated State Department does not climb into the brains, honest patriots ... wink
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 24 February 2021 19: 59
        +14
        Quote: Alekxandr
        Soloviev speaks correctly.

        who is Soloviev? The same Psaki, but in pants
    5. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 24 February 2021 09: 06
      +5
      It can not be!
      My colleagues called me yesterday. From the frozen. Congratulations. I told them - you are freezing! Horseradish eats up without salt!
      And they laugh - they sent pictures. They sit at the table and the table is not poor.
      But I didn't believe their pictures!
      Well, they've already proved how many times that everything is bad there! And not rockets, but water pipes with jps navigators, and everything is in Poland, and the old school has died out, and so on! ...
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 24 February 2021 10: 07
        -3
        Well, maybe somewhere near Kiev in cottage towns and do not freeze. But in the center there is a tariff protest, an entrepreneurial protest, Maidan autoblackers ... more than everyone is already tired of paying senseless taxes and the same military tax from only 1.5% for the political games of the powerful. With 40 million to collect 1.5%, then agree to be enough for firewood for heating.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 24 February 2021 20: 00
          +11
          Quote: Rubi0
          But in the center there is a tariff protest, an entrepreneurial protest, the autoblyahiers of the Maidan ... more of them are already sick of paying

          There is no such thing in Poltava.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 24 February 2021 12: 03
        -1
        And they laugh - they sent pictures. They sit at the table and the table is not poor.
        But I didn't believe their pictures!
        Well, what is May is May! laughing Yesterday, here, saltsa waved with Ukrainian sausage, and "polished" a sotochka with vodka - for the Secular, the Mighty ... petty !!! bully
    6. Fitter65
      Fitter65 24 February 2021 12: 42
      +7
      Quote: Aerodrome
      where did they get it? there is hunger, cold and devastation,

      They also forgot to add about a feeling of deep gratitude to Western friends and colleagues.
      Quote: Aerodrome
      and they don't know how to do anything

      They know how to sell equipment and weapons, create a Hammer mortar, catch spies who steal blueprints for a tank that has not yet been created in metal, they finally know how to localize the production of R-27 missiles, developed in 1979 good Well, they can still ask Russia for electricity, or coal, oh sorry South Novorossiysk coal, pah-you African. And about how they managed to provide the Saudi Arabian Air Force with transport aircraft such as An-132, Russia did not stand nearby, by the way, the Peruvian Air Force had already received its summer airplane? laughing laughing laughing
    7. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 February 2021 16: 40
      +9
      And how many divisions of "peregrine falcons" have they already put on alert?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 24 February 2021 17: 39
        +9
        How much is a whole zero.
    8. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 24 February 2021 16: 51
      +3
      Solovyov said this somewhere, or is it your wet ... your sarcasm?
    9. bayard
      bayard 25 February 2021 01: 11
      +1
      Quote: Aerodrome
      where did they get it? there is hunger, cold and devastation, and they do not know how to do anything ...

      Never underestimate the enemy.
      Design Bureau Yuzhnoye has glorious traditions and has created missiles of much larger scale and complexity in its history. There was never any doubt that they were able to realize their clone of Iskander. Subject to proper funding and organization of work. And the fact that leading American companies have joined in to help them suggests that they are very close to success.
      I am quite familiar with the capabilities of Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, PMZ and Pavlogad Chemical Plant ... I think I even know some of the participants in these works ... so the threat really exists and it is serious.

      At the same time, the best means of protection against the possible consequences of this creativity is not so much the strengthening of the anti-missile capabilities of the anti-aircraft missile regiments (which is undoubtedly necessary), but the SOLUTION of the very issue with this under-state and the regime that has seized power in this formerly beautiful country ... A FINAL DECISION is required ... "Ukrainian question" - this would remove a lot of problems for Russia, and would free the Russian people of the former Ukraine (and there are basically no others there, except for genetic aliens).
      The issue is overripe and needs an urgent solution.
      And it's very good that the SP-2 is being completed (which bypasses that very Ukraine), and there are no other constraining factors for Russia.
      This will allow us to finally unite the historical Russian lands and people into a single State, which in its potential will be equivalent to the former mighty Soviet Union.
      All other geopolitical issues of the re-establishment of the One State, after this decision, will be solved much easier and in a working manner.
      If this is not done in the near future, for Russia it could end very ... very badly. It's time to follow the Law of the Time.
      And again Nikolaev shipyards, Motor-Sich, Yuzhmash and many others will be in demand and will work in full force. For the common good of the One State.
    10. vkl.47
      vkl.47 25 February 2021 11: 38
      -1
      They will shoot at the LDN. They will not be able to otit and ours will not shoot down. In the military sphere, ours do not help in any way.
    11. Maz
      Maz 25 February 2021 13: 15
      -1
      They did not do Schaub there, but it will turn out again some kind of "MOLOT", which explodes and ruins its own calculations ...
    12. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin 25 February 2021 18: 54
      +1
      Everyone lies. However, the massive introduction of the S-350 pleases and without lies.
    13. lozon1
      lozon1 28 February 2021 23: 48
      0
      Can you ask a simple question? Without any propaganda.
      What have they created recently? If possible, do not refer to this article.
      Just answer, What was created there?
    14. Popov I.P.
      Popov I.P. April 26 2021 17: 23
      0
      And how many years has Ukraine been talking about the almost readiness of the Sapsan: 20 or 30? And during this time, how many strategic and operational-tactical missile systems of land, sea and air were received by the RF Armed Forces? And how many ready-made complexes are already in the Ukrainian Armed Forces? And who said that someone would allow them to make at least one launch towards the Russian Federation and that when the battalion is brought into a pre-combat state (which is easily recorded by space reconnaissance), it will not be immediately destroyed by the same hypersonic "Daggers" or OTRK "Iskander-M or K" with a probability of defeat of 95 percent or more, given the extreme decrepitude of Ukraine's air defense with 30-year-old Soviet missiles? After all, the best defense method is to destroy the enemy's means of attack.
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 24 February 2021 05: 35
    +6
    How many non-brothers Sapsans have? One drawn?
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 24 February 2021 05: 39
      -16%
      Quote: Pessimist22
      How many non-brothers Sapsans have? One drawn?

      yes = yes ... so the "nightingales" and they say ... and how much we have just drawn, they are silent. (welcome to the next topic about helicopters ...)
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 24 February 2021 07: 48
        +9
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Quote: Pessimist22
        How many non-brothers Sapsans have? One drawn?

        yes = yes ... so the "nightingales" and they say ... and how much we have just drawn, they are silent. (welcome to the next topic about helicopters ...)

        A typical dill-liberal technique - we have cartoons drawn, but the stolen has already a peregrine falcon, we believe that it is not drawn, because jelly is fsevret and in general all the worlds
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 24 February 2021 07: 53
          -12%
          Quote: Quadro
          Typical dill-liberal reception

          typically "pink-soaked" comment ... if everything is not important for themselves, you need to nod at the neighbors ... we don't want to, like in Ukraine, France, Somalia ...? tolerate cho ...
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 24 February 2021 09: 08
            -12%
            No really ... Your opponent is not "Pink ..." He is seen in provocative comments. Moreover, it is clearly one-sided. So don't be sprayed with bead throwing.
      2. Popov I.P.
        Popov I.P. April 26 2021 18: 20
        0
        12 Iskander missile brigades are not drawn in the RF Armed Forces, but actually exist and have completed rearmament (one in each of the 11 combined-arms armies and in the 1st Guards TA), not counting separate divisions at training grounds, universities and training centers. 10 hypersonic "Daggers" in a separate squadron Mig-31K in the Astrakhan region is also not a drawing. Yes, and 80 "Caliber" in one salvo while 7 NK and 6 submarines of the Black Sea Fleet, plus 32 "Caliber" in one salvo of 4 NK of the Caspian Flotilla, already now cover almost the entire territory of Ukraine. These data are from open sources, and far from friendly. What can the "non-brothers" oppose to this at the moment: drawings of the future "Sapsan", Soviet air defense systems of 30 years ago, the same ancient aviation or a high national spirit? The safest thing for them is not to cross the red lines and not provoke Moscow. Capturing them to feed them later - we don't even need to give a fuck (that's enough, in the days of the USSR, whoever was not fed), but if they climb up, they will shove them off to the fullest, and for this it is not necessary to invade them, everything necessary for "remote influence" is already there is.
  3. Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 24 February 2021 06: 12
    +18
    Yaw of a vertical dive diagram of an elevation PFAR radar
    1. krops777
      krops777 24 February 2021 07: 38
      +7
      Yaw of a vertical dive diagram of an elevation PFAR radar


      Where is Einstein with his SRT and GRT laughing
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 24 February 2021 12: 05
        -6
        damned Jewish-Masonic physicist-infidel ... wink laughing traitor to the Third Reich ... hey, him !?
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 24 February 2021 06: 15
    +5
    A simple question ... who will "die" the donkey or the sultan faster?
    Obviously, if they rock the boat in the wrong direction, both will "die" at once, and then you will look from the side ... , RADICAL!
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 24 February 2021 06: 35
      -12%
      Quote: rocket757
      A simple question ... who will "die" the donkey or the sultan faster?
      Obviously, if they rock the boat in the wrong direction, both will "die" at once, and then you will look from the side ... , RADICAL!

      you will be upset, but not only their "sultan" went too far.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 February 2021 07: 34
        +5
        Everyone has their own "sultan" ... and everyone has to live / deal with his own.
        At the expense of upset / not upset ..... we have our own problems above the roof, if you get upset with all of them, no mood is enough.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 24 February 2021 07: 56
          -14%
          Quote: rocket757
          Everyone has their own "sultan" ... and everyone has to live / deal with his own.

          yeah ... go deal with Putin ... will you go far? there, 146 percent are for life.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 February 2021 08: 22
            +1
            What does the GDP have to do with it ..... we, as elsewhere, are governed by the SYSTEM, a large tangle which is the RULING CLASS.
            Replacing the top, public face cannot fundamentally change ANYTHING.
            And then we take the CLASS FIGHT textbook and learn from a new one, how and what can be done, changed ...
            to run, "to cope", this is "entertainment" for the most, the most .... inspired, that is to say, stupid rushes.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 24 February 2021 09: 15
              -6
              Quote: rocket757
              take the textbook CLASS FIGHT
              By the 19th - early 20th centuries? It is only suitable for battles with history.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 24 February 2021 09: 55
                +2
                And these are already options, who and what wants to find in it.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 24 February 2021 12: 06
          -3
          Everyone has their own "sultan" ...
          as well as "donkey" !? wink
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 February 2021 12: 23
            0
            And around the "Sultan" there is always a retinue and .... who, what is not there!
  5. Runway
    Runway 24 February 2021 06: 19
    +7
    The author owns such a rich word as "operational". laughing I immediately remember Fima Sobak from the classics ...
    What inspired the anxiety about the "funnels" of the zrd and their coordinates (oop / zop / lop is not ours, as well as the mutual cover of the zrv units).
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 24 February 2021 08: 03
      -12%
      Quote: WFP
      The author owns such a rich word as "operational". I immediately remember Fima Sobak from the classics ...

      I don't remember such a word for "Ilf and Petrov" .... "darkness, horror, shine .." I remember, I don't remember "operational" ... apparently old ...
      1. Runway
        Runway 24 February 2021 08: 09
        +2
        Have you tried to draw an analogy? Reread - invigorates!
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 24 February 2021 08: 11
          -17%
          Quote: WFP
          Have you tried to draw an analogy? Reread - invigorates!

          only a "stool" according to the recipe of Comrade Bender can "invigorate" ... the rest is far-fetched, out of place stated ... and yes, if Russian is not your native language, do not try to "fence" on it ... eye fuck it out!
          1. Runway
            Runway 24 February 2021 08: 47
            +12
            Get drunk, "warrior of light." Is rudeness a lifestyle? "musketeer"....
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 24 February 2021 08: 50
              -15%
              Quote: WFP
              Get drunk, "warrior of light." Is rudeness a lifestyle? "musketeer"....

              if you like: musketeer ... not tolerant.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 24 February 2021 12: 10
                -7
                if you like: musketeer ... not tolerant.
                Shaw again, propaganda of homophobia and paddling pools near Moscow! ??? laughing (just no offense, monsieur, otherwise if you read you above, it's about gouged out eyes, somehow gloomy described ...!?) ... laughing
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 24 February 2021 09: 25
            0
            Quote: Aerodrome
            only a "stool" can "invigorate"
            The Dull ones are giving out free recipes for cheerfulness.
  6. lopvlad
    lopvlad 24 February 2021 06: 31
    +11
    Ukrainian Sapsans pose a significant threat to


    the very existence of Ukraine and, of course, for the operators of these systems. A prototype and even a small series of complexes is not bad, but it's more for show-off in the media and not for a real war.

    but it also boasts the presence of tail gas-dynamic correction units in the pitch and yaw planes (four 7-nozzle gas-dynamic modules with 7 individual gas generators for each OTBR).


    and to write "the presence of gas-dynamic rudders" apparently something does not allow.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 24 February 2021 06: 36
      -10%
      Quote: lopvlad
      Ukrainian Sapsans pose a significant threat to


      the very existence of Ukraine and, of course, for the operators of these systems. A prototype and even a small series of complexes is not bad, but it's more for show-off in the media and not for a real war.

      but it also boasts the presence of tail gas-dynamic correction units in the pitch and yaw planes (four 7-nozzle gas-dynamic modules with 7 individual gas generators for each OTBR).


      and to write "the presence of gas-dynamic rudders" apparently something does not allow.

      translation difficulties.
  7. Dart2027
    Dart2027 24 February 2021 06: 47
    +3
    Doesn't the S-400 use the same types of missiles as the S-350, in particular the 9M96E line?
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 24 February 2021 07: 57
      -14%
      Quote: Dart2027
      Doesn't the S-400 use the same types of missiles as the S-350, in particular the 9M96E line?

      do not confuse "no analogues" with flawed Ukrainian ... wassat
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 24 February 2021 08: 55
        -4
        Quote: Aerodrome
        do not confuse "no analogues" with flawed Ukrainian ...

        Is it used or not?
        1. mark1
          mark1 24 February 2021 10: 32
          0
          Quote: Dart2027
          Is it used or not?

          Use ... - if available. But is it available ... - I'm also interested ...
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 24 February 2021 12: 32
            0
            Quote: mark1
            But is it available ... - I'm also interested.

            What are the problems with the production of missiles? Didn't hear something.
            1. mark1
              mark1 24 February 2021 12: 40
              +1
              Quote: Dart2027
              I didn’t hear something.

              Yes, and I have not heard, and also have not seen (naturally in the photo, except for rare ones). On this I say honestly - I do not know, but interesting.
    2. Toucan
      Toucan 24 February 2021 11: 50
      0
      Quote: Dart2027
      Doesn't the S-400 use the same types of missiles as the S-350, in particular the 9M96E line?

      Excuse me, do you mean to say that in our combat battalions of carrying the DB there are S-400s in the ammunition of which there are 9M96E missiles?
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 24 February 2021 12: 26
        +4
        Quote: Tucan
        Forgive me, you want to say that in our combat battalions of carrying the DB there are S-400s in the ammunition of which there are 9M96E missiles

        No, and when it will not be known. Most likely, in the future, the S-350 air defense missile systems equipped with 9M96E2 missiles will be supplied to the Russian Aerospace Forces.
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 24 February 2021 12: 33
        +1
        Quote: Tucan
        there are S-400s in the ammunition of which there are 9M96E missiles

        In fact, wherever the S-400 missiles are listed, they are.
        1. Toucan
          Toucan 24 February 2021 12: 55
          -2
          Of course, it won't bother you to find a photo of the SPU combatant of the Russian battalion with the indicated missiles? wink
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 24 February 2021 14: 57
            +1
            The newspaper of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation "Krasnaya Zvezda" on September 11, 2019 in the material "Allowed for live fire" about the Russian-Serbian air defense exercise "Slavic Shield - 2019", which is taking place at the 42nd training center for combat training of anti-aircraft missile forces at the Ashuluk ( Astrakhan region), published a photo of the transport and launcher (TPU) 5P85S2 of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system with the placement on it simultaneously of a transport and launch container of an anti-aircraft guided missile of the 48N6 series and a package of four transport and launch containers of anti-aircraft guided missiles of the 9M96 series. Earlier, TPU 5P85S2 from the S-400 air defense system with the simultaneous deployment of 48N6 and 9M96 series missiles were repeatedly demonstrated at exhibitions, and the integration of 9M96 series missiles into the S-400 air defense system was announced from the very beginning. but this photograph was the first known image of such a combination from the air defense unit of the Russian Ministry of Defense.
            Source: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/9m96/ VTS "BASTION" AVKarpenko
            1. Toucan
              Toucan 25 February 2021 00: 59
              -4
              What is this button accordion for? negative I wrote about the drill. Or do you not understand the difference?
              And citing links to such sources is somehow not solid.
              You have already been hinted above that it is better to talk about what you understand and not be dishonored.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 25 February 2021 06: 47
                +1
                Quote: Tucan
                I wrote about the drill

                AND? There is a fact that they are included in the ammunition load.
                1. Toucan
                  Toucan 25 February 2021 13: 40
                  -2
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Quote: Tucan
                  I wrote about the drill

                  AND? There is a fact that they are included in the ammunition load.

                  Only in your imagination. Have you been to the position of the S-300P / S-400 missile defense system? Or were these complexes viewed only in pictures?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 25 February 2021 15: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: Tucan
                    Have you been to the position of the S-300P / S-400 missile defense system?

                    Very touching, but I would like something more specific. There is a fact - wherever the types of missiles that can be used in the S-400 are listed, these missiles are mentioned. There are other facts well to show in the dark.
        2. Bongo
          Bongo 24 February 2021 13: 13
          0
          Quote: Dart2027
          In fact, wherever the S-400 missiles are listed, they are.


          So you are using the wrong sources. In general, it's better to talk about what you really understand. Small lies give rise to great distrust.
          Perhaps you will be interested. hi

          S-400 anti-aircraft missile system and S-350 anti-aircraft missile system: with an eye to the future

          https://topwar.ru/169425-zenitnaja-raketnaja-sistemy-s-400-i-zenitnyj-raketnyj-kompleks-s-350-s-pricelom-v-buduschee.html
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 24 February 2021 14: 58
            +1
            Quote: Bongo
            S-400 anti-aircraft missile system and S-350 anti-aircraft missile system: with an eye to the future

            I know that they must work together, but while there are no 350s, some of the S-400 launchers can be used for short-range missiles.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 25 February 2021 07: 22
              +1
              Quote: Dart2027
              Source: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/9m96/ VTS "BASTION" AVKarpenko

              Sorry, but the impression is that you do not understand what it is about. request With all due respect, the source of Karpenko's "Bastion" cannot be considered reliable. It is just a collection of gossip, rumors and "news" that often contradict each other. In addition, you will not find anywhere photographs of complexes with 9M96 SAMs on alert.
              The troops do not have S-400 with 9M96 missiles, and most likely never will. Theoretically, these missiles can be inserted into the S-400 ammunition load. But, too many but ...
              In this case, a serious revision of the 92N6E guidance stations and transport-loading vehicles of the combat divisions is necessary. As well as retraining of personnel, which will inevitably require the withdrawal to repair enterprises and the removal of the complexes from combat duty.
              Taking into account the fact that we still do not have the required number of 40N6E long-range missiles in the troops, the inclusion of 400M9 missiles in the S-96 ammunition is clearly not a priority task. It is much more rational, based on the cost-effectiveness criterion, to include one S-400 battalion in the S-350 regiments.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 25 February 2021 08: 09
                -1
                Quote: Bongo
                It is much more rational, based on the cost-effectiveness criterion, to include one S-400 battalion in the S-350 regiments.

                I know this, but so far they are not yet physically, simply because they did not manage to do it and this is a fact. That is, when they are released in sufficient numbers, the question will disappear by itself, but if you need it right now, then there are simply no other options.
                And I doubt it about the revision. These stations provide guidance from 2 km, that is, they also capture the near zone.
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 25 February 2021 13: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I know this, but so far they are not yet physically, simply because they did not manage to do it and this is a fact.

                  Or maybe mass production was not established, because there was no state defense order for these missiles?
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  And I doubt it about the revision. These stations provide guidance from 2 km, that is, they also capture the near zone.

                  What is your military specialty? Apparently, you have nothing to do with RTV and ZRV No. Confusing "warm" with "soft".
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 25 February 2021 15: 10
                    0
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Or maybe mass production was not established, because there was no state defense order for these missiles?

                    An order for a SAM? In fact, I am writing about the S-350 complex (as well as the author of the article), which has just been launched into series.
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Confusing "warm" with "soft".

                    So tell me why they can't do it.
  8. Hagen
    Hagen 24 February 2021 07: 02
    +10
    the likelihood of the earliest acquisition of operational combat readiness by the new OTRK, and then attempts to use it, both against units of the army corps of the NM LDPR, and against strategically important facilities of the Russian Armed Forces on the territory of the Western and Southern military districts is not excluded.

    This new OTRK is not a spherical horse in a vacuum. An attempt to "use" it against strategically important objects of the Russian Armed Forces is the opening of real hostilities against Russia, which will entail the use of the entire power of the Russian Armed Forces against the Armed Forces. Trump, at one time, did not dare to do this. Does the author suggest that Zelensky under the leadership of Biden will turn out to be bolder / reckless? It is clear that the media portrays Ze as a kind of clown in the political arena, but this does not mean that he should be a real complete madman. Although this also does not mean that we should not have "ears on top". winked
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 24 February 2021 07: 41
      +5
      "run wild" in his fiefdom, rushed to a stronger neighbor!?!?!? The difference is huge ...
      Even not common sense, just the instinct of self-preservation, works like the last frontier! And the chatter, all sorts of ... it can be assessed in very different ways.
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 24 February 2021 07: 58
      -8
      Quote: Hagen
      Does the author suggest that Zelensky under the leadership of Biden will be bolder / reckless?

      "green" works within a certain leash length.
    3. 113262a
      113262a 24 February 2021 08: 38
      -3
      Half a year ago, no one thought that Aliyev would dare to do something like that! The Armenians beat on the tam-tam, promised to repeat it! The bottom line is the whole face in the end! Everyone is sad now.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 24 February 2021 10: 38
        +4
        Quote: 113262
        Half a year ago, no one thought that Aliyev would dare to do something like that!

        Armenia is not Russia. And that says it all ... But I agree that Russian intelligence should work at full height, and a daily updated list of priority targets for defeat should be on the tables of the chiefs of the respective headquarters. I'm sure it is.
    4. yaglon
      yaglon 24 February 2021 21: 23
      -2
      Why do you have a solid policy, did you take political instruction courses?
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 24 February 2021 21: 26
        +2
        Quote: yaglon
        Why do you have a solid policy, did you take political instruction courses?

        It would be better to have something close to the topic .....
        1. yaglon
          yaglon 24 February 2021 21: 47
          -2
          In general, it is difficult to understand how the reject can hit the sight, but loitering munition is easy.
          1. yaglon
            yaglon 24 February 2021 21: 52
            -1
            They were invented for this in the 82nd year, the idea was born then. Selection and other fantasies diving at the target on five swings, this is all nonsense. Try to hit. Your Damantsev's fantasies. The future is clearly in loitering ammunition.
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  9. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 24 February 2021 08: 00
    +11
    Oh ... Damantsev was gone for a long time, again a verbal digital waterfall
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 24 February 2021 08: 06
      -10%
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      Oh ... Damantsev was gone for a long time, again a verbal digital waterfall

      in this case, it is better to "overlook" ...
    2. Old tanker
      Old tanker 24 February 2021 08: 40
      +7
      Yeah. Especially the passage with the rocket's electrodynamic characteristics impressed laughing
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  11. Alekxandr
    Alekxandr 24 February 2021 08: 24
    -7
    The Ukrainians do not have any OTR, except for their clamor.
    They can't do anything.
    Russia will crush them in a day. As our deputies said, on the second day our tanks will enter Lviv.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 24 February 2021 08: 36
      -8
      Quote: Alekxandr
      As our deputies said, on the second day our tanks will enter Lviv.

      Kozhevnikova Masha? or who? the deputies said ... "rzhupadstal" ... wassat
    2. Avior
      Avior 24 February 2021 08: 45
      +2
      Take it higher on the English Channel smile
  12. Old tanker
    Old tanker 24 February 2021 08: 28
    +9
    How Anglonism "operational combat readiness" hurts the ear.
    Complete illiteracy. There is an oppositional readiness in the RF Armed Forces - this is the readiness of the formations (army, district / front) to carry out tasks. And combat readiness is everything else from the combat readiness of the compound to the combat readiness of the machine gun for use.
  13. 113262a
    113262a 24 February 2021 08: 34
    0
    Collaboration does not lead to good! Seven-year delay in resolving the issue with the fascists of Ukraine, for sure! It won't dissolve by itself! And the further, the worse it will be! It will come to direct deliveries of NATO equipment with their own calculations. On lease!
  14. maksud13
    maksud13 24 February 2021 08: 43
    +18
    I personally have one question for Eugene's spells so far:
    Peregrine Falcon that cancels the laws of physics? Otherwise, how will he be able to extinguish in a short time the speed from 5-6 M to zero to implement a 90-degree vertical dive ??
    At best, degrees at 70-75 ...
    And it is not necessary to talk about the GG belts - they give short-term impulses for maneuvering, but they will not be able to sharply change the trajectory, completely extinguishing the impulse
  15. Grognag
    Grognag 24 February 2021 08: 44
    +10
    I understand this is a clumsy translation, but the author is not in the subject? A puddle of incoherent water, and I also wonder what the electrodynamic characteristics of these peregrine falcons are and why are they important? In Ukraine, past the new history and invented new physics?
  16. Alt 22
    Alt 22 24 February 2021 09: 12
    +10
    Damantsev's title is evident from the very first words!
  17. alstr
    alstr 24 February 2021 10: 14
    +3
    It has long been known that it is necessary to use ANY technique correctly, then and only then it will fulfill its purpose.
    Here is the same with ANY air defense complex. There is no complex that completely covers ALL the upper hemisphere AT THE SAME TIME.
    Therefore, an echeloned defense is necessary.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 25 February 2021 07: 49
      +1
      Quote: alstr
      It has long been known that it is necessary to use ANY technique correctly, then and only then it will fulfill its purpose.
      Here is the same with ANY air defense complex. There is no complex that completely covers ALL the upper hemisphere AT THE SAME TIME.
      Therefore, an echeloned defense is necessary.

      Two regiments spaced 10-30 km apart solve the problem. + You can instruct tori nearby
  18. Alexander X
    Alexander X 24 February 2021 10: 35
    +4
    Why does Ukraine need such a weapon? Fighting with Russia is suicide. To fight the civilian population of the LDNR, you do not need such a weapon. To cut the budget?
  19. svoit
    svoit 24 February 2021 10: 52
    -3
    Quote: Aerodrome
    where did they get it? there is hunger, cold and devastation, and they do not know how to do anything ...

    Germany also had little when Hitler came to power, and in Ukraine, there is a complete analogy, with the only difference that not only "Western democracies" are preparing aggression against Russia, but also Russia itself
  20. Gorillas
    Gorillas 24 February 2021 11: 06
    +2
    I like the very idea of ​​the "Military Review" site, but it is basically impossible to read your comments, a complete violation of the site's rules: b) Inciting ethnic hatred. This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: Ukrainian, Khokhlyandiya, Jew, USA, Bulbash, Talaponets, Churka, Khachik, Azeri, cross-eyed, Moskal and other similar turns of unnatural speech;
    What do you think, what might be the reaction of readers to such statements? in my opinion, the very idea of ​​"Voennoye Obozrennya" is leveled. That leaves dirty politics. The Soviet journal Zarubezhnoye Voennoye Obozreniye was even more loyal to the rest of the world.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 24 February 2021 12: 13
      -3
      Inciting national hatred
      exactly ... they love it here !!! laughing
      Plus, all sorts of sexual phobias creep into the faces of comrades ..., "who is not with us is tolerant" and other quirks of the irresponsible, according to old Freud ... wink
  21. svoit
    svoit 24 February 2021 11: 27
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    If you think about it, then the RC-135V / W "Rivet Joint" can be neutralized by fighter aircraft of the Aerospace Forces,

    The Chinese did it well, but the ramming now as an element of combat may not be practiced here.
  22. Dimide
    Dimide 24 February 2021 11: 38
    -6
    Last summer, a message flashed on the network about the presence of a second OTRK Grom-2 and work to increase the missile's flight range due to the use of new fuel
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 24 February 2021 13: 02
      +1
      Where did the new fuel come from?
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 24 February 2021 15: 17
        -6
        I wrote that the message flashed, so I remember it.
        More recently, I read somewhere that the platform will be foreign, not Kharkov.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 24 February 2021 18: 59
          0
          Actually, Pavlograd made rocket fuel, true for BR, but the plant was practically in a dead state, was engaged in the disposal of products that had expired. Now I do not know.
          1. Dimide
            Dimide 24 February 2021 19: 44
            -4
            PCZ began to work - a quote from Avakov'- The Cabinet of Ministers and the National Security and Defense Council made a decision - to launch programs for the creation of solid fuel for the Ukrainian missile systems "Alder", "Neptune" and others. In addition, the government has separately allocated funds for the disposal of rocket fuel, which this plant is also engaged in, "the Interior Minister noted.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 24 February 2021 22: 15
              +1
              Tell Avakov how to kitty bad from the mountain. What does rocket fuel have to do with the Interior Ministry?
              1. Dimide
                Dimide 24 February 2021 22: 38
                -4
                Avakov announced the decision of the NSDC and the CM
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 25 February 2021 13: 31
                  +1
                  The decision of the NSDC and the Cabinet of Ministers is an empty talking shop there is nothing))) the people who sit there are amateurs, with a capital letter)))
                  1. Dimide
                    Dimide 25 February 2021 15: 32
                    -1
                    Let's see how these solutions will be implemented
                    1. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 25 February 2021 22: 32
                      0
                      When was the decree and what do they have "on the way out"?
                      1. Dimide
                        Dimide 25 February 2021 22: 42
                        -2
                        In January, in my opinion, + in the state defense order, the priority is the rocket program, and the fuel for PCZ missiles
                      2. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 25 February 2021 22: 45
                        0
                        In December, we will return to this question)))
                      3. Dimide
                        Dimide 25 February 2021 22: 56
                        -2
                        I agree. By the way, this article was transferred to Defense Express.
                      4. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 26 February 2021 12: 53
                        +1
                        Diffens is a well-known Bandera garbage dump)) they write there that someday it will be, but no one knows when)))
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 24 February 2021 12: 30
    +3
    Acquisition of operational combat readiness by Ukrainian OTRK "Sapsan"
    Shit, and when did they manage to do this? It seems that no more than 2.5 months ago, their Deputy Defense Minister said
    We hope that in 2021 we will find opportunities to finance this medium-range OTRK project. If funding can be resumed, then in the near future we will receive the latest complex for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
    not even everything has been forgotten from
    At the same time, Mironyuk said that he hopes for the following: ultimately the Ukrainian Sapsan will surpass the Russian Iskander OTRK.
    What exactly, in essence non-existent, "Sapsan" will surpass the Russian operational-tactical missile system, is not reported
    Moreover, as recently as February 19.02.2021, XNUMX, Interfax-Uraina stated
    . The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine plans to sign a contract for the first experimental division of the operational-tactical missile complex "Sapsan" in 2021, according to the information and press department of the Defense Ministry ..... "Since the degree of readiness of the entire project has already exceeded 80%, we must take the last step and complete this work ....
    Didn't miss anything
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 24 February 2021 13: 01
    +5
    How can something that does not exist and is unlikely to appear dangerous?))) "Raytheon" or "Lockheed" will not give Bandera anything, for one simple reason. What Banderland received today may end up anywhere tomorrow - China, Iran, North Korea, etc. And mattress toppers know this very well)))
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 24 February 2021 13: 26
    +2
    Damantsev? That's it, I won't even read
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  • AlexD
    AlexD 24 February 2021 16: 44
    +2
    A speed of 5-6 M and a maneuver with overloads of 20-25g are structurally not combined. The author overloads with an abundance of technical information.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 24 February 2021 16: 58
    +1
    Have they had successful launches? And they were developing something for the Saudis ...
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 24 February 2021 17: 18
    +2
    Well, yes, Ukraine is attacking the Russian army with ballistic missiles. The sleep of reason gives birth to monsters ...
  • lelik613
    lelik613 24 February 2021 18: 28
    0
    "The head of the research center under the Iranian Ministry of Defense, nuclear physicist Mohsen Fahrizadeh was killed with automatic small arms, which were controlled via satellite." (C) RUSSIAN GAZETA
  • Freedim
    Freedim 24 February 2021 19: 23
    +3
    Judging by how the Svidomites developed and implemented the notorious mortar, I am tormented by vague doubts about the possibility of putting a "peregrine falcon" into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine before our S300 / 400s are removed from us due to the moral and technical obsolescence of the systems.
  • Ruslan Sledkov
    Ruslan Sledkov 24 February 2021 20: 11
    0
    Do they have traditions in the creation of OTRK? Not only engines, but also GOS, electronics. What are they doing there?
  • zwlad
    zwlad 24 February 2021 20: 24
    +1
    The truncated boss is gone, the truncated is gone!
  • TOR2
    TOR2 24 February 2021 20: 31
    +1
    As a consequence, we are dealing with a high-speed OTBR (of the order of 5-6M), which has a ballistic or quasi-ballistic flight trajectory
    What is the noise immunity?
  • yaglon
    yaglon 24 February 2021 20: 48
    -3
    Why is it so difficult? Dive from 75 km? On Hypersound? Recent events (since 82) show that tiny loitering munitions on a telecontrol, with an IR channel, at the speed of a pedestrian, will arrive at an altitude of 5-10 meters, they will assess where to go and get into the window.
  • yaglon
    yaglon 24 February 2021 21: 32
    -1
    I generally do not understand Damantsev's bias by means of active radar, active ARLGSN. As if the person drowns for some KB and for 10-15 swings. It is interesting that people began to be able to fight without such huge peaks as 100-kg AR-RLGSN (sawing the dough) by means of drones with TU-IK-GOS based on modern matrices weighing a couple of kg.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 25 February 2021 07: 42
      0
      Quote: yaglon
      I generally do not understand Damantsev's bias by means of active radar, active ARLGSN. As if the person drowns for some KB and for 10-15 swings. It is interesting that people began to be able to fight without such huge peaks as 100-kg AR-RLGSN (sawing the dough) by means of drones with TU-IK-GOS based on modern matrices weighing a couple of kg.

      An active seeker does not require target illumination beyond the horizon, which an ordinary station cannot provide. And ordinary people with penny matrices did not encounter modern air defense from the word at all. And when in response to the use of a drone, a sickly piece weighing half a ton arrives, hunting is no longer
      1. yaglon
        yaglon 25 February 2021 19: 57
        0
        I know very well. Passive also does not require illumination, it is aimed at the radiation source. I don’t think the Armenian air defense system is so primitive, nevertheless 5 S-300 air defense systems, 5 Tor-M2 air defense systems, 15 Osa air defense systems, 3 Strela-10 air defense systems and 4 outdated air defense systems (3 Cube and 1 Circle) were completely destroyed by loitering ammunition and Bayraktar at the cost of the loss of only two heavy UAVs and no loss of manned aircraft. In a similar situation in Georgia, with a weaker Georgian air defense, the losses of our side amounted to at least 6 aircraft (1 Tu-22M3, 2 Su-24 and 3 Su-25) with the destruction of at best two Buk air defense systems. As you can see, drones and BB turned out to be more effective. As for the destruction of air defense systems or UAV control points with tactical missiles, I do not have such information at all. But there is a lot of information about the defeat of the OTR of areal or stationary targets (such as warehouses, airfields, factories, markets). It's hard for me to imagine that the OTR can aim and hit a mobile air defense system with it. In any case, there are no historical examples. There are a lot of examples of the defeat of air defense systems by drones and BB.
  • FrankyStein
    FrankyStein 24 February 2021 21: 57
    -4
    In vain they laugh here, if state specialists put their hands on the guidance systems, as indicated in the article, these missiles will hit where they are aimed, unlike any points that fly wherever they want and get to grandmothers in the garden.
  • silverura
    silverura 24 February 2021 23: 12
    -8
    Ukrainian Sapsans pose a significant threat to S-300PM1 and S-400 with standard ammunition

    I don’t believe all this, you’re lying! They cannot do anything except vodka and bacon. Besides, there is hunger and cold!
  • Putnik119
    Putnik119 25 February 2021 08: 20
    +1
    Another Khokhlomria "poses a danger"! How many articles have already been written in this garbage dump about weapons “created” in Ukraine, which are dangerous! ”And they don’t write about how Zelensky gave the“ Fort ”rifle to the prince in the UAE. Svidomye“ create ”something every day, but according to in fact have rubber boats, "representing a great danger" - also here, by the way, "analyzed".
  • Volder
    Volder 25 February 2021 10: 39
    +3
    Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev
    data from the OTBR will pose an extremely serious threat to the 108th and 1536th anti-aircraft missile regiments S-300PM1 and S-400 Triumph deployed in the Voronezh and Rostov regions,
    While the Ukrainian crews are trying to neutralize our echeloned (not only long-range air defense systems) air defense system, they themselves will be neutralized by Russian aviation, Iskander and Caliber OTRKs from the sea. Are there many daredevils to take the risk? The author naively believes that Russia will wipe out, sit back and allow it to shoot objects in the depths of the country with impunity. Putin once warned the Ukrainian authorities: in the event of an attack on Russia, Ukraine will lose its statehood. Even if by some miracle the Ukrainian Armed Forces destroy our S-300 and S-400, what will they do with all the other weapons, from which a response will inevitably arrive?
  • yehat2
    yehat2 25 February 2021 10: 52
    +5
    maybe I missed something? when the situation got so tense that AWACS planes fly near our border and make target designations for Ukrainian missiles?
    As for Ukraine, where does the money come from? The answer is simple. This country has completely forgotten about its defense. It invests zero, all funds go to the development and purchase of means of attack, mainly terrorist ones.

    As for Ukrainian money, they have stopped spending it on defense, and are only engaged in organizing terrorist attacks and operations and are investing all the money in it. You say Iran is a hotbed of terrorism? They are children in comparison with Ukraine. But Ukraine no longer has a fleet, aviation and air defense, there are no sane reserves for defense, the army is in a very shabby state. Do you think NATO needs such a partner? In my opinion, only consumables look like this. What Ukraine has now become, with what I congratulate the Khataskrayniks.
  • Naval
    Naval 25 February 2021 21: 42
    0
    As the Supreme Commander said, we will hit the decision-making centers, and then the enemy will change his mind to shoot.
  • anclevalico
    anclevalico 26 February 2021 07: 38
    0
    Awareness of the problem is already good. So they will decide.
  • clerk
    clerk 1 March 2021 07: 49
    +1
    Incomplete note. Before writing about military-technical threats - first, it is advisable to decide in what case ukroVS will decide to strike first?
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 2 March 2021 07: 28
    0
    This is all nonsense! If the Ukrainians go to escalate, then there will be nothing left of Ukraine! On May 9 we will celebrate on Khreshchatyk! Does the USA need it? They will not allow Ukrainians to do this!