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The deadline for the end of state tests of the new guided missile "Krasnopol-M2"

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The deadline for the end of state tests of the new guided missile "Krasnopol-M2"

Kalashnikov is finishing the development of a new guided missile Krasnopol-M2 and a guided mine Gran, state tests will take place this year. The press service of the concern reports.


Work on the projectile and mine is being carried out jointly with the Instrument-Making Design Bureau (KBP), the state tests of ammunition will be completed during 2021.

(...) is completing two experimental design works on guided artillery shells Krasnopol-M2 and Gran '. State tests of products are planned to be completed this year

- leads RIA News message press service.

It is reported that the Krasnopol-M2 guided weapon system for barrel artillery was originally developed in 155 mm caliber for export and supplied to the armies of India and China. Compared to the basic version of the Krasnopol projectile, the new ammunition has a longer firing range (26 km versus 20 km), and the accuracy of hitting small targets is increased (0,9 versus 0,7).

In addition, the Krasnopol-M2 has increased combat power, as well as the ability to use it at any time of the day, in strong winds and clouds.

The KM-8 "Gran" guided weapon system for smooth-bore and rifled mortars of 120 mm caliber is designed to destroy / defeat single and group targets or fortifications. Provides firing at any time of the day with the destruction of specified targets with the first shot without sighting shots at stationary and moving targets.
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  1. Ngauro
    Ngauro 21 February 2021 07: 04
    +9
    a good alternative to shock UAVs. For some reason they forget about it.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 21 February 2021 07: 28
      +6
      It is not an alternative, but a supplement. A guided projectile should be cheaper than an attack drone and replace it at close range.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 21 February 2021 07: 49
        +1
        Quote: Konnick
        A guided projectile should be cheaper than an attack drone and replace it at close range.

        He cannot replace it, because without external illumination from this very drone, these shells do not hit the target. Well, or a bomber on the ground.
        1. Private-K
          Private-K 21 February 2021 11: 49
          +3
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Quote: Konnick
          A guided projectile should be cheaper than an attack drone and replace it at close range.

          He cannot replace it, because without external illumination from this very drone, these shells do not hit the target. Well, or a bomber on the ground.

          Attack drones have nothing to do with it. Impact ones are those who carry the ammunition themselves. And for artillery, UAVs are interesting, capable of target designation and provide guidance for guided artillery shells. And for this, the existing inexpensive Eagles and those who will come to replace them in the future are quite enough.
      2. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 21 February 2021 10: 50
        +3
        It is not an alternative, but a supplement.

        I would call it symbiosis. In fact, a guided munition is the same UAV, only disposable. Everything goes to this. Guided shells and mines, KAB and planning bombs. UAV - kamikaze.
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 21 February 2021 11: 07
          -5
          He does not have a balloon in the kit for loitering with the search for the target of attack, unlike the UAV. The attack UAV is also disposable. For the full use of the projectile, the cost, I emphasize, according to the developers in the distant 95th, 32 thousand dollars, did not find a suitable target search and guidance complex, shooting at GPS / GLONASS is already the last century, and the thermal imager still needs money for development, and so they reported, even without testing, the accuracy and range are increased ... give money.
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 21 February 2021 11: 34
          +1
          Quote: Souchastnik
          In fact, a guided munition is the same UAV, only disposable.

          With regard to guided (corrected) artillery shells, this is a deep delusion! UAVs can be in the air (patrol) for hours (or even days ...)!
          The UAV operator has the opportunity and time to select a target, change his mind (even, repeatedly ...), and in some cases, return the unit to base! With shells, this "trick". As a rule, does not work! Moreover, the projectile, in the presence of a seeker and (or) GPS, can be guided to the target without the participation of the operator ...
          To some extent, according to the "behavior" (guidance) algorithm, guided missiles of the latest generation can be compared with UAVs, but they are inferior to UAVs in terms of range, duration of stay in the air, and even maneuverability ... perhaps also in price!
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 February 2021 07: 30
      +11
      Quote: NGAURO
      a good alternative to shock UAVs. For some reason they forget about it.

      Shock UAV, under some conditions - yes, an alternative. But in any case, when firing this ammunition with the declared x-range:
      Compared to the basic version of the Krasnopol shell, the new ammunition has more firing range (26 km vs.20 km)

      - you can't do without UAV spotters highlighting the target.
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 21 February 2021 08: 43
        +4
        ShockUAV

        Impact weapons use guided weapons, that is, without illumination, either. On the other hand, RUKs from UAVs with LCD + field artillery battalion or MLRS have orders of magnitude larger b / k.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 21 February 2021 08: 51
          +8
          Quote: strannik1985
          Impact weapons use guided weapons, i.e. without illumination, too.

          Well,homing и operator controlled ammunition does not need illumination, and for a laser-guided power supply unit, the UAV itself (under certain conditions) will provide illumination with its standard LCC system.
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 21 February 2021 09: 11
            +2
            Even ammunition with SPBE needs to indicate the approximate coordinates of the target, one of the types of reconnaissance can be a UAV. But a pure reconnaissance aircraft is smaller, lighter, and requires less infrastructure (for example, a catapult instead of a full-fledged runway for takeoff).
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 21 February 2021 09: 17
              +8
              Quote: strannik1985
              Even ammunition with SPBE needs to indicate the approximate coordinates of the target, one of the types of reconnaissance can be a UAV. But a pure reconnaissance aircraft is smaller, lighter, and requires less infrastructure (for example, a catapult instead of a full-fledged runway for takeoff).


              You end up with the conclusions I started with:

              Quote: Insurgent
              - you can't do without UAV spotters highlighting the target.
    3. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 21 February 2021 17: 13
      0
      Do you know what the price of this shell is?
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 21 February 2021 21: 43
      0
      a good alternative to shock UAVs.
      which side!?, these: UAS and 120 mm. a mine with a laser seeker (9E430), an alternative to them, they just need preliminary target designation, before firing with a possible trajectory correction, and an attack UAV already has it on board, and can be used directly in flight!
  2. Konnick
    Konnick 21 February 2021 07: 19
    +1
    the accuracy of hitting small targets has also been increased (0,9 versus 0,7).

    Concern!!! (now it cannot be called a production association?) finishes the development, but already knows the accuracy, but why then test it? By the way, someone translate into Russian what this secret coefficient of accuracy is. And I didn't understand the veiled phrases - is it for export or for local people?
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 21 February 2021 07: 31
      +4
      Quote: Konnick
      And I didn't understand the veiled phrases - is it for export or for local people?

      It has been supplied for export in 155mm caliber for a long time.
      Now they have made it in the "native" caliber 152 mm and are undergoing state tests in accordance with GOST.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 21 February 2021 07: 49
        -3
        And what is the GOST? By ESKD or ESTPP? Yes, in the article they write about the deadlines for the completion of state tests, and the development work is still underway and the tests have not yet begun, this is a lot of time and money needed to make the dimensions of the product 3 mm smaller. Therefore, I demand translation into normal Russian, and not what is written between the lines.
        1. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 21 February 2021 07: 56
          +1
          Quote: Konnick
          in the article they write about the deadlines for the completion of state tests, and development work is still underway and the tests have not yet begun

          Where does the information come from that the tests have not yet begun?
          Moreover, it is reported about their completion.
          And yes, testing is part of OCD as the final stage.
          And reducing the caliber is not the main thing here, it's fast. The main thing is just testing. They must be carried out in full. And this time, time and time again.
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 21 February 2021 08: 01
            -4
            (...) is completing two experimental design works on guided artillery shells Krasnopol-M2 and Gran '. State tests of products are planned to be completed this year


            Translate to me as a designer, where is it written about the beginning of the tests? Translate this phrase for a silly but cute, probably press-service girl. This is a trick for managers now, the main thing is the timing and schedules.
            1. Jacket in stock
              Jacket in stock 21 February 2021 08: 16
              +2
              Quote: Konnick
              Translate to me as a designer, where is it written about the beginning of the tests?

              Nowhere.
              It is written here about their completion.
              And yes, if you are truly a designer, then you should know that testing is part of OCD.
              OCD ends with the end of their last stage - the successful completion of the state.
              1. Konnick
                Konnick 21 February 2021 08: 48
                -2
                State tests as a term in GOSTs is not used. And they haven't finished yet? This is how you can write and nothing is clear, the work is underway and the state tests will be completed, with such confidence ... maybe these tests are not needed, but immediately inform what will be adopted, why waste little time.
                1. Jacket in stock
                  Jacket in stock 21 February 2021 09: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: Konnick
                  State tests as a term in GOSTs is not used.

                  Perhaps I have been off topic for 25 years.
                  And Gosy is just a confirmation of the conformity of the developed product to the requirements set forth in the terms of reference.
                  1. Konnick
                    Konnick 21 February 2021 09: 14
                    -1
                    State tests are a contrived term to increase the significance of an event, but this is acceptance tests in the presence of the state commission, with the fixation of the results in official protocols and a decision on the compliance of the declared data. Sorry, if not exactly, it's from memory. There is also an interdepartmental commission with representatives of all parties involved in the operation, maintenance, etc.
                2. Jacket in stock
                  Jacket in stock 21 February 2021 09: 05
                  0
                  Quote: Konnick
                  how can you write and nothing is clear, work is underway and state tests will be completed, with such confidence ...

                  Apparently there are the results of the previous stages of testing, in which all the requirements of the TK were confirmed. It remains only to complete the Gos program.
                  And until all the stages are completed, the work will continue. Everything is just extremely clear.
                  1. Konnick
                    Konnick 21 February 2021 09: 17
                    0
                    I'm just talking about the competence of the press service - stupid, even dumber, they deliver the news like that, without understanding what they wrote. I mean this appendicitis of the modern structure of the "concern".
              2. Konnick
                Konnick 21 February 2021 09: 08
                0
                R&D does not end even after the start of mass production, there are all sorts of nuances in operation. To make samples for testing, it is necessary to complete a complete design documentation for the manufacture of a batch in a pilot production.
            2. AUL
              AUL 21 February 2021 08: 21
              -1
              And I would like to read not about the timing of the end of the tests, but about the end of the tests ... Otherwise, they often write about the future dates of events (and in different ways), but about what happened - much more modest!
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 21 February 2021 11: 04
        +7

        The efficiency of the Krasnopol-M2 complex





        Evaluation of the combat effectiveness of artillery
        The assessment of the combat effectiveness of the UAS "Krasnopol-M2" was carried out for three combat missions to defeat:

        • a platoon stronghold (consisting of two tanks, four infantry fighting vehicles, three ATGM installations, five DZOS, manpower in trenches with a level of 60%);

        • a heavily fortified facility (concrete bunker);

        • missile boat.

        Criteria for evaluating the effectiveness of combat missions in comparison with the performance of the same tasks by the UAS K155 and standard artillery (with unguided ammunition): ammunition consumption, time and relative cost.

        Both the regular artillery and the UAS hit:

        • a platoon stronghold when firing standard shells by a division (18 guns), and when firing with Krasnopol and Krasnopol-M2 complexes with two guns with two LCDs and two guns with two Malachite fire control systems, respectively;

        • a concrete bunker or a missile boat when firing standard projectiles with a battery (6 guns), and when firing with Krasnopol and Krasnopol-M2 complexes, one gun with one LCD and one gun with one Malakhit fire control system, respectively.

        The results of evaluating the combat effectiveness show that equipping artillery with a caliber of 152-155 mm with the Krasnopol-M2 complex provides a more highly effective destruction of targets in comparison with the standard Krasnopol complex and makes it possible to reduce the consumption of ammunition by 1,5-2 times, and to reduce the time of fire tasks by 1,5–2 times, and the cost of completing a combat mission by 1,4–1,8 times.

        The Krasnopol-M2 complex should be considered as a multipurpose high-precision artillery system of a new generation, which has an all-day use, the effectiveness of hitting various targets in difficult weather conditions both on the plain and in the highlands.
  3. Doccor18
    Doccor18 21 February 2021 07: 22
    +7
    Good news. The future belongs to guided missiles.
    Only the range of 20-26 km is somewhat confusing. Not very impressive ... The Americans and the British are testing this kind of ammunition with might and main at a distance of 40-45 km. And sometimes up to 70 km ...
  4. Konnick
    Konnick 21 February 2021 07: 23
    -4
    Something I cannot imagine the presence of press services at such enterprises in the Soviet era, what kind of complicity to a potential enemy. Spies were left without work by their announcements.
  5. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 21 February 2021 07: 37
    +7
    KM-8 "Edge". Done !!! Has not passed and ... as already! Since 2009 or 2011 "waited and suffered" ... and waited! Thank you for the gift by February 23rd! I planned to do with a "check", but on such an occasion you can't do without half a liter ... at least!


    1. Konnick
      Konnick 21 February 2021 07: 52
      -3
      With such a canoe, yes for direct fire, at only vodka to disguise laughing drinks
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 21 February 2021 08: 36
        +4
        At least 5 km is normal wink
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 21 February 2021 09: 02
          -4
          This is the limit of line of sight, if you can see, then the enemy can see you. Such a bulky complex that is carried by a whole team of 3 servicemen is an interesting target for the enemy.
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 21 February 2021 09: 31
            +4
            The problem to be solved.

            1. Konnick
              Konnick 21 February 2021 09: 51
              -4
              Provided that the enemy is blind and does not see this canoe the size of a wedge heel of the 30s. And the photo is interesting ... everyone is passing by the wunderwafe, one looked back ..
              UAV miniaturization is our everything.
              It's just that these developers of obviously unnecessary trash need to somehow declare themselves and earn money. Imagine, a brave foursome climbs to the top of a hillock, from which the terrain is surveyed for a distance of 5 km, or this unit drives in with rattling chains and caterpillars ... Send the designers themselves somewhere with these target designators
              What are these Star Wars writers not suggesting?
              1. strannik1985
                strannik1985 21 February 2021 10: 54
                +3
                Provided that the enemy is blind

                Will you see an obstacle through a building / hill / other obstacle? The height of the lifting mast is 3 meters. In addition, the "Cape" / corner reflectors / smoke / in addition to the base of the same "Nerekhta", you can put an optical-electronic suppression complex, i.e. at a distance of up to 5 km to detect binoculars, anti-tank systems, optical-electronic reconnaissance systems, sniper sights , and up to 2 km - independently suppress.
                1. Konnick
                  Konnick 21 February 2021 10: 57
                  -2
                  Smokes is a class, they will find it by smoke)))
                  1. strannik1985
                    strannik1985 21 February 2021 11: 01
                    +2
                    Smoke nowadays is radio and IR opaque, so only a cloud will be seen.
                    1. Konnick
                      Konnick 21 February 2021 11: 16
                      0
                      And this will be the reason for attacking this place - this is the same if the scouts would have covered themselves with smoke from the fire ...
                      1. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 21 February 2021 11: 51
                        +3
                        What exactly? The appearance of smoke somewhere deep in the battle formation? So the smokes are used while moving (for example, when retreating), let them shoot as much as they like, they will just give the coordinates for the AZK-7.
                      2. Konnick
                        Konnick 21 February 2021 11: 55
                        -2
                        As in the advanced ??? The range is 20 km, but they shoot along the contact line?
                        Malachite is only enough for 5 km.
                      3. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 21 February 2021 12: 31
                        +3
                        AND? 1-2-3-5 km is not deep in the battle formation?
                      4. Konnick
                        Konnick 21 February 2021 12: 56
                        -3
                        Why range 26 km?
                      5. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 21 February 2021 13: 03
                        +3
                        There is a firing gun at this range.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 21 February 2021 08: 12
    -3
    And in this "Grani", too, the bubble should be caught as in a cheap total station or as in an expensive one, such as an American Lake, is it automatically exposed to the horizon?
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 21 February 2021 07: 38
    +4
    Precision ammunition is certainly good, progress and all that.
    But.
    A laser "pointer" is included in the standard kit to Krasnopol and Grani, which three suicide fighters must first bring to the battlefield and set in line of sight from the target.
    Or you can shine from a drone, but then the question is, why can't this edge be thrown onto the target from this drone.
    And yes, according to Vicki, this "semi-smart" mine is worth 250-300 cast iron.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 21 February 2021 07: 44
      +2
      Again, all this has been developed since the noughties - "shaggy" years on the element base of the last century, which is quite justified, I think, causes only a smile from our partners from "parallel reality".
    2. Couchexpert
      Couchexpert 21 February 2021 08: 40
      +3
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      A laser "pointer" is included in the standard kit to Krasnopol and Grani, which three suicide fighters must first bring to the battlefield and set in line of sight from the target.
      Or you can shine from a drone, but then the question is, why can't this edge be thrown onto the target from this drone.
      And yes, according to Vicki, this "semi-smart" mine is worth 250-300 cast iron.

      If the target requires exactly one projectile, then perhaps it can be thrown off the drone. And if there are numerous targets / maneuvering / highly protected / large area, etc., then it is better to leave the drone only target designation.

      The cost, it seems, should be compensated for by accuracy, the absence of associated unwanted damage and less wear on the barrels. But here another question arises: if we imagine the dimensions of such a guided projectile (and everything that needs to be pushed inside it to ensure this very controllability and accuracy), then how much explosive is there now in comparison with "stupid" cast iron? In advertising, they usually give figures for range and accuracy (most likely, of course, overestimated), but what about the impact on the target? Don't want to admit that they are actually sending a couple of RPG-5 grenades to the target?
      1. Couchexpert
        Couchexpert 21 February 2021 13: 54
        +3
        By the way, about advertising. If you analyze the slightly above-laid out table of characteristics of shells (new and old),
        Quote: Nikolaevich I

        and compare them with the characteristics of the standard 3OF45 high-explosive fragmentation projectile (on the left)

        with the following characteristics:
        Projectile weight: 43,56 kg
        Explosive weight: 7,65 kg
        Maximum firing range: 24,7 km
        then interesting conclusions suggest themselves.
        1. The total mass of the projectile being corrected is 10,74 kg more than a conventional land mine (guidance + taxiing, for example).
        2. The mass of the explosive increased by 3,35 kg. That is, by 44% (!). (We look at the photo of a land mine in a section, looking for where else you can put more explosives, without greatly changing the dimensions of the projectile, and we hope that earlier the designers were not idiots either and calculated all possible options).
        3. At the same time, the new corrected projectile is only 2 kg heavier than the old one, but the explosive carries 4,7 kg more (!). (Probably, somehow it was possible to reduce by 2,7 kg the mass of the hull, steering surfaces and other metal elements, but somehow it is hard to believe that, in principle, the filling of explosives of the projectile to be corrected - 20% can be more than a simple land mine - 18%, 12 % look more realistic in the previous version).
        4. But at the same time, the new projectile has become even shorter by 10 cm (!), Although less dense (compared to other projectile materials) explosives will require large volumes to be placed inside the hull.
        5. Well, the "cherry" in the form of an increase of 6 km in the maximum firing range for a projectile that is 2 kg heavier and +1,3 km heavier than the old land mine, which, I remind you, is almost 11 kg lighter! How it works? Does it wave the rudders like propellers?
    3. strannik1985
      strannik1985 21 February 2021 13: 10
      0
      Or you can shine from a drone

      And you compare the RQ-7B with the MQ-1 (2-4 ATGM Hellfire) or MQ-9 (6 points of suspension - ATGM, 227 kg UAB) in terms of weight, size, required infrastructure, cost.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 21 February 2021 07: 55
    -2
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    a standard set to Krasnopol and Grani there is a laser "pointer", which three suicide fighters must first bring to the battlefield and set in line of sight from the target

    Some already suggest adding half a liter to the kit.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 February 2021 07: 57
    +1
    The first Krasnopol with two shots stopped the war in Africa. I hope Krasnopol M2 and Gran will continue this tradition.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 21 February 2021 08: 43
      0
      More detail you can?
  • Konnick
    Konnick 21 February 2021 08: 07
    -2
    Compared to the basic version of the Krasnopol projectile, the new ammunition has a longer firing range (26 km versus 20 km), and the accuracy of hitting small targets is increased (0,9 versus 0,7).

    Does anyone know about these precision numbers, write, I'll put a plus sign.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 21 February 2021 08: 21
      +2
      Quote: Konnick
      Does anyone know about these precision numbers, write

      My version is the probability of being hit by one shot.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 21 February 2021 08: 42
        -1
        The dimensions of the target are different. They write, and you break your head. I hate journalists, no special knowledge, only the broadcast of other people's thoughts.
    2. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 21 February 2021 08: 50
      +1
      Not accuracy, but probability of defeat. Typo. Out of 10, 9 will fall.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 21 February 2021 08: 58
        +1
        Where? Target dimensions?
        1. DDZ57
          DDZ57 21 February 2021 16: 27
          +1
          Where? Target dimensions?


          The TK contains a typical goal (see Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) Today, 11:04).
          And the probability of damage to the TC in different conditions is estimated.
        2. DDZ57
          DDZ57 21 February 2021 17: 00
          +1
          Where? Target dimensions?

          KBP information:
          The probability of a direct hit at a distance of up to 12 km, both a stationary and a moving target.
          0,8 - 0,9
          at a distance of over 12 km in moving at a speed of up to 36 km / h - 0,6
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 21 February 2021 09: 03
      +1
      And what is not clear, 0,7 is the probability of hitting 70%, and 0,9, respectively, 90%. Given the increased power of the projectile, this is an almost destroyed target. hi
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 21 February 2021 09: 22
        -3
        Still an expert, and that does not depend on the size of the target. It's hard to say - at a distance of 20 km, the projectile hits
        guaranteed to fall into a circle with a diameter of ....? For me, 0.7 is more accurate than 0.9.
        How much pathos are in your words -
        increased projectile power
        .
        Increased power by reducing from 155 mm to 152 mm? Or something else, philologist. Percentage is our everything .. hang up in grams laughing
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 21 February 2021 09: 24
          +2
          I don't really care about your preferences. fool
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 21 February 2021 09: 41
            -2
            Better to remain silent than to assume.
            The article contains such accuracy ... as in the joke - Petk, devices?
            -300%
            - what is 300?
            - what are the devices?

            I mean the level of the press service of the "concern" Kalashnikov. Or is it deliberately confusing a potential buyer - improved from 0,7 to 0,9 ...
            And what devices ???
        2. DDZ57
          DDZ57 21 February 2021 16: 52
          +1
          Increased power by reducing from 155 mm to 152 mm? Or something else, philologist. Percentage is our everything .. hang up in grams

          Increased power - by increasing the mass of the explosive from 6,5 to 8,5 kg. This was done by replacing the taxiway with DGG. The same decision made it possible to increase the firing range to 25 km. And all this was done in 1999.
          See the book. General Designer A.G. Shipunov.
          So this news is over 20 years old. The Rostec horse gallops slowly.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 21 February 2021 08: 16
    -5
    Quote: Konnick
    Something I cannot imagine the presence of press services at such enterprises in the Soviet era, what kind of complicity to a potential enemy. Spies were left without work by their announcements.

    Spies minus? fool
    1. DDZ57
      DDZ57 21 February 2021 16: 37
      0
      Quote: Konnick (Nikolay) Today, 08:16

      Spies minus?


      KRASNOPOL-M2 is a 155-MM COMPLEX OF CONTROLLED WEAPON KM-1M and is intended for export.
      See site.
      http://www.kbptula.ru/ru/razrabotki-kbp/artillerijskie-kompleksy-upravlyaemogo-vooruzheniya/krasnopol-m2
    2. Disant
      Disant 21 February 2021 17: 46
      -1
      duck you have already written ten times about journalists - they write as they want, and you are all the same - spam and fantasize about the cons with respect to your posts about 0.7 and 0.9 and what they think hurray or neura.
      it is clear that 0.9 is better than 0.7 liters
      the equipment is secret, and give you full performance characteristics, and even in the correct translation
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 February 2021 08: 59
    0
    Strongly, however, it means that India and China were supplied, but the horse itself was not lying around. fellow
  • MBRSS
    MBRSS 21 February 2021 09: 18
    +2
    Such projectiles must be supplied to the LDNR for counter-suppression of the Ukrainian Armed Forces firing points.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 21 February 2021 10: 02
      0
      Brilliant ...
      And with the Malachite control device, will you run across the bare steppe behind enemy lines? Malachite weight 42 kg.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 21 February 2021 10: 54
    -4
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Quote: Konnick
    A guided projectile should be cheaper than an attack drone and replace it at close range.

    He cannot replace it, because without external illumination from this very drone, these shells do not hit the target. Well, or a bomber on the ground.


    Cons come from those who admire phrases from the article, such as

    In addition, Krasnopol-M2 has increased combat power.


    What is it? The increased power and the girl who wrote it by mistake made a splash in the camp of hurray-patriots? Or is it a new physical impact on the object with such a projectile?
    Separate, no matter how "powerful" he was, will not harm the enemy, it is still necessary to determine the goal and direct. Increased the range to 26 km, but for what? Who or what will direct the super-projectile to the target? An artillery gun disguised as a bush behind enemy lines, 20 km away? Or Bumbarash in a balloon?
    The Malachite complex is only 5, maximum 7 km in line of sight, and the earth seems to be round. And you need a whole calculation to carry it. It's just a cart in front of the horse ... they will finish the state tests, and then? And then they will look for something that will direct this projectile at the target, or experts will immediately say - there is a homing head. And how to find a target and shoot so that a projectile worth 3 million rubles finds a target with its head and corrects its deadly flight?
  • Dmitry Izmalkov
    Dmitry Izmalkov 21 February 2021 11: 16
    +3
    26 km? Seriously? And this is when Americans hit 50+, well done, what to say
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 21 February 2021 13: 14
      -3
      Why should we shoot from a howitzer 50 km or more?
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 21 February 2021 17: 15
        +1
        Wildly interesting, do the minus understand that in a projectile flying 50 or more km of space for explosives there is a mere minuscule? And what about the fact that instead of a "50 km projectile" we use MLRS of the "Smerch" type and TRK?
  • Konnick
    Konnick 21 February 2021 11: 19
    -2
    Quote: Konnick
    Quote: Konnick
    Something I cannot imagine the presence of press services at such enterprises in the Soviet era, what kind of complicity to a potential enemy. Spies were left without work by their announcements.

    Spies minus? fool

    The stupid employees of the press services were noted with cons, fell for a provocation, are there really only three of them? laughing
    And explain the minusers -Why Kalashnikov is engaged in the modernization of Krasnopol, they did not develop this shell?
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 21 February 2021 12: 01
      +5
      Quote: Konnick
      Why is the Kalashnikov engaged in the modernization of Krasnopol, they did not develop this shell?

      Because the manufacturer "Izhmash", i.e. "Kalashnikov".
      There were no press services at enterprises in the Soviet era, because there was a different organizational structure. All enterprises were state-owned, performed only production functions, as well. Other organizations were engaged in marketing and other communication with the outside world.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 21 February 2021 16: 55
        -1
        Manufacturer does not mean developer
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 21 February 2021 12: 27
    +5
    about the level of the press service of the "concern" Kalashnikov. Or will it deliberately confuse a potential buyer -

    Especially for the disgruntled "horseman".
    In the original on RIAN News it was like this
    ... This year, the concern, together with the developer of the Instrument-Making Design Bureau, is completing two experimental design work on the Krasnopol-M2 and Gran 'guided artillery shells. State tests of products are planned to be completed this year.
    ...
    Compared to the basic version, the Krasnopol-M2 has a greater firing range - up to 26 kilometers, versus 20 kilometers for the Krasnopol projectile. The new projectile has a significantly increased probability of hitting a small tank-type target with one shot - it is at least 0,9 versus 0,7 for the old version. Also, in the new ammunition, the power of the warhead is almost doubled, which ensures the irreversible defeat of modern tanks and fortified structures. Provided all-day use, the possibility of effective shooting in cloudy and strong winds.

    And that clumsy retelling that is posted here on the site to the work of the press service "Kalashnikov" has a very distant relationship.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 21 February 2021 13: 03
      -1
      But what about the LOMO homing head. Did they invent the accuracy criteria themselves?
      It is planned ... that's it, otherwise it will be completed. A big difference
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 21 February 2021 13: 22
        +2
        Quote: Konnick
        But what about the LOMO homing head.

        What's wrong with the head and with the LOMO?
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 21 February 2021 13: 27
          -1
          LOMO?
          Read https://yandex.ru/turbo/yura-turist.livejournal.com/s/4942493.html
  • Konnick
    Konnick 21 February 2021 13: 32
    0
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    that clumsy retelling that is posted here on the site to the work of the press service "Kalashnikov" has a very distant relationship

    And who is this talent? Local? I feel a blonde with my spinal cord laughing
  • Wolf
    Wolf 21 February 2021 16: 17
    -1
    It will put a grenade launcher on the wheels and automatically, and there will be a terrible weapon of blisk combat, a 120mm sniper.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 21 February 2021 16: 56
      -1
      Will put on wheels and automatically a grenade launcher and buddet scary weapon bliskog combat, sniper 120mm caliber

      I'm afraid ... I'm afraid
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 21 February 2021 19: 27
        0
        We must be afraid. smile Where and how does one 120mm gun get into the bucket? Here, a stone and burrowing into the ground will not help; 120mm iron with a cake will come for you.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 22 February 2021 19: 47
    0
    "In addition, the Krasnopol-M2 has increased combat power, as well as the ability to use at any time of the day, in strong winds and clouds."
    Guys, how does all this hurt me in the ears, but you can't say increased combat power, or are we learning how to overcome from our southwestern neighbors ???
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 22 February 2021 19: 54
      -1
      What then do you do on a military site if the expression of combat power is gratifying? And here I did not understand the power.
  • Bogalex
    Bogalex 23 February 2021 10: 58
    0
    Shy lol In fact, the said ammunition is being developed by the Tula "KBP". But "Kalashnikov" only participates in the process smile