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"The Empire Strikes Back": a tank battle at Villers-Bretonne ...

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"The Empire Strikes Back": a tank battle at Villers-Bretonne ...
Tank A7V "Mephisto" after evacuation from the battlefield, 1918. Around tank Australian soldiers are standing and rejoicing! Imperial War Archives



“Tanks rushed, raising the wind,
Formidable armor was advancing ... "
"Three Tankmen" B. S. Laskin

Tanks of the world. And it so happened that after a successful offensive at Cambrai, the Germans decided to retaliate against the Allies and on March 21, 1918, they began Operation Michael. Powerful artillery fire swept away the ranks of the British barbed wire, after which ... German tanks moved into the attack for the first time: four brand-new German A7Vs and five captured British Mk IVs with huge Teutonic crosses on their armor. The tanks covered 8 km and broke through the British front, and it turned out that the British infantry was not able to fight tanks!


Tank A7V "Shnyuk" is in the Tank Museum in Bovington. But this is a remake. On the other hand, he's on the move!

After 15 days, the German troops expanded the penetration to 50 km along the front and 30-35 km into the depth of the enemy's defense. British tanks in groups counterattacked the enemy and were able to detain him. However, the Germans failed to achieve a decisive victory not at all because they were stopped by tanks. The reason was ... a banal overwork of personnel and a lack of resources, which were spent faster than planned. As a result, the British brought up their reserves and stopped the advance of the German troops.

Nevertheless, even with minimal forces, they continued to attempt an offensive. One of them was planned at the town of Villers-Bretonne, in order to move forward 8 km to the road to Amiens and put it under control, which would significantly complicate the position of the Allies. The Chief of the General Staff, General Erich Ludendorff, supported the idea of ​​the strike when he was informed of the impending offensive. At the same time, he allowed the use of tanks - all 15 A7Vs, which were located in this sector of the front.


Tank "Elfiride". Bundesarchive

German intelligence noticed that in the forest behind Villers-Bretonne and Kasha there were British tanks, as well as batteries of 83,8-mm guns. All this did not give reasons for optimism, therefore, on the eve of the offensive, the entire area was fired upon with chemical shells with mustard gas (mustard gas), which made it truly the most disgusting place to be in the world.

The British felt that the attack was about to begin, they knew that the Germans had tanks, but they actually could not oppose something to the enemy. They also had tanks, but what kind of tanks were they? 7 tanks "Whippet", 3 "female" Mk IV with machine-gun armament and only one cannon Mk of 2nd Lieutenant Frank Mitchell. But this tank was not a full-fledged combat unit, because three of its crew members were gassed and out of order.


A7V tank project with a 77 mm cannon. Such a tank would become a truly deadly weapon for the tanks and infantry of the British, but ... the German command considered that a 37-mm cannon would be enough for him. How wrong they were!

And it was here, under the cover of thick smoke and clouds of gas, at 7 o'clock in the morning, the Germans began their attack. The tanks were moving in three groups. The first is in the direction of Villers-Bretonne and Cachy, the second is Cachy, and the third is Bois de Angar. For the first two, everything went according to plan. Acting together with the infantry and even overtaking it in some places, the tanks captured the indicated settlements, took many prisoners and then were recalled to the base as having completed their combat mission.


And in the end they got this ...


At first, they wanted to produce the tank only with machine-gun armament. Then they nevertheless put the cannon, but it was positioned so poorly that at the slightest turn of the tank, the shooter lost his target. And the angle of horizontal fire was only 30 degrees. For some reason, no one had the idea to put on a tank a turret from "pill boxes", which had already been fully worked out by production and armed with a 57-mm fortress gun. And it should have been placed in the center of the tank. But ... none of the German engineers and generals, fortunately for the British, never thought of this simple solution.


German tank on rough terrain. Photo from the Bundesarchiv

But the third group was unlucky. The resistance of the British at Bois-de-Angar turned out to be stubborn, besides, the Elfrida tank, although it suppressed the enemy machine guns, but ... fell into a ravine! 22 tankers took up defensive positions in it, but retreated after their lieutenant was killed. However, the British retreated here too, so this strange clash ended in a draw.

Already at 8:45, Captain F. Brown, the commander of the tank battalion "A", went on reconnaissance on Mitchell's tank, and then moved forward all his machine-gun tanks. The most interesting thing is that he simply ... did not see the German tanks, otherwise he would hardly have given such a rash order.


And this is what German tanks turned into on the battlefield. Photo from the Bundesarchiv

The tanks rolled forward, but when Brown and Mitchell's tank crawled through the English trench, a soldier shouted to them through the viewing slot: "Jerry tanks ahead!" (nickname of the Germans among the British). Then they saw them themselves - 3 A7V tanks on the way to the village of Kashi - vehicles from group No. 3. At the same time, the nearest German tank crawled out of the fog just 400 meters from the British tank. The tanks were followed by dense lines of German infantry ...

Captain Brown jumped out of the tank and ran towards the two "females" to warn them of the danger.

Meanwhile, Mitchell turned his tank around and opened fire on the German tank, which in turn noticed two "females", turned in their direction and also began to shoot at them. The British fired from a 57-mm gun, the Germans from a 37-mm one.


The Australian infantry trophy is the Mephisto tank. Since the "Mephisto" was captured by soldiers from Queensland, it was given to them as a trophy to raise the morale of the Australians, so that they could see with their own eyes the "special trophy" taken in battle by their compatriots in Europe. As a result, "Mephisto" stood in the open air in the Old Museum of Brisbane for decades before it was transferred to the Queensland Museum in the 1990s. Moreover, during a severe flood in Brisbane in 2011, the tank was covered with mud, and it urgently had to be restored in order to put it in the Australian war memorial. Now this tank can be seen in the Queensland Museum. If you are in Australia and want to see the world's last real A7V - you are here

The shooting was ineffective. First, the British were leading her on the move. Secondly, the gunners' assistants were constantly distracted by the maintenance of the tank's transmission. Therefore, the rate of fire was low.

But at 10:20 the English tank stopped, and the left sponson shooter managed to achieve three consecutive hits on the German vehicle. True, his shells were solid, armor-piercing, without an explosive charge. Nevertheless, the damage from them turned out to be very great. An artillery gunner was killed and two more tankers were mortally wounded. In addition, one of the shells damaged something in the tank's mechanics, so that it stopped moving. The crew left the tank and joined the infantry, and Mitchell, delighted with the success, continued to fire on the remaining two German vehicles.


And here the A7V can be viewed in great detail. By Vasilije Ristovic 3D artist

Meanwhile, 7 "Whippets", unaware of the presence of tanks in the direction of their movement, were ordered to attack the German infantry and moved forward, pouring heavy machine-gun fire on it. And it was then that they found themselves right in front of Lieutenant Bitter's tank, whose gunner opened fire on them from a distance of 300 m. One "Whippet" was hit and caught fire, but the British still did not know who knocked it out. The tanks rebuilt in a zigzag and continued the extermination of the German infantry. But then the second tank flashed, and the third lost its speed. Three tanks retreated, and the fourth stopped 100 meters from Mitchell's car, but the German tank was still not visible!


The same tank, the same master. Side view. By Vasilije Ristovic 3D artist

Meanwhile, the two remaining German tanks were ordered to withdraw. Mitchell saw that they were retreating, began to pursue them and shoot at them from 1000 m. But he never got there, but at 12:45 he lost the caterpillar and was forced to stop. At 14:30, both sides fizzled out, and the fight ended of itself. True, two German tanks tried to return Kashi, but the infantry did not follow them, and after shooting a little, they turned back.

The first tank clash in stories ended.


English Mk IV - enemy of German armor. By Vasilije Ristovic 3D artist

Naturally, both the Germans and their opponents drew certain conclusions from what happened. The Germans - that tanks are efficient and necessary. That shooting them, especially if the tank is standing, can be very effective. In addition, realizing that they could not quickly build up their tank fleet, they attended to the creation of an effective anti-tank rifle. The British immediately realized that since the Germans had tanks with cannon armament, machine-gun tanks would be powerless against them. The urgent rearmament of all machine-gun tanks into cannon tanks began. Since there were not enough artillery sponsors for all the vehicles produced, a palliative decision was made: to create "hermaphrodite tanks" with one cannon sponson, with it on the left on some tanks and on the right on others.


Handsome Renault FT-17. By Vasilije Ristovic 3D artist

In addition, the British continued to improve the Mk IV tank and finally created the Mk V, which not only received a more powerful engine (which is always good for a tank!), But also an improved control system. Now only one person could control the movement of the tank, which meant that the assistant shooters began to work more efficiently, which made the rate of fire of tank guns immediately increased!


A7V in typical German camouflage

Tanks became more and more a real combat vehicle, and this did not hesitate to affect the results of their use.

To be continued ...

PS Color illustrations for the article were made by A.S. Sheps.
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  1. Richard
    Richard 7 March 2021 05: 06
    +11
    Scheme of a tank battle at Villers-Breton on April 24, 1918
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 March 2021 06: 48
      +9
      Models are just a highlight!
      Vyacheslav Olegovich thanks for the description of the first tank battle, the second battle - will it be continued?
      Regards, Vlad!
      1. kalibr
        7 March 2021 07: 20
        +9
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        will continue

        Be.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 7 March 2021 08: 22
          +6
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, hello. Thanks for the article, but if I'm not mistaken, the German tank still had a 57 mm cannon ...
          Although in our time, some new sources of information appear and the devil will break his leg!
          1. kalibr
            7 March 2021 10: 24
            +5
            There were also 57 mm and 37 mm. What happened was put on ...
          2. Undecim
            Undecim 7 March 2021 10: 30
            +15

            Although in our time, some new sources of information appear and already the devil will break his leg
            You are right, the tank was armed with a Cockerill-Nordenfelt-Kasematt 5,7 cm L / 26,3. A kind of irony of fate - the British development fought against its own creators.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 7 March 2021 11: 37
              +6
              Viktor Nikolaevich, thank you for your illustration: at least I clearly presented how it looked from the inside
              PS.
              V.O. is a good author, but he has a sin: he forgets to indicate performance characteristics.
              It would be great, in addition to a general description, to give information: the number of the crew, weapons, armor and engine, otherwise I looked at the drawings, the illustrations are excellent, and wondered: the number of the crew and weapons?
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 7 March 2021 13: 16
                +9
                It would be great, in addition to a general description, to give information: crew size, weapons, armor and engine

                By the way, try to search for information yourself. The lesson is very interesting.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 7 March 2021 16: 44
                  +3
                  Everything is clear with the main characteristics, but the transfer of mass to long and short tons was somewhat discouraged. Is it still accepted by the Anglo-Saxons?
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 7 March 2021 17: 24
                    +3
                    Yes, in Britain the imperial or long ton is 1016 kg, the short ton is 907,18 kg and the metric ton is 1000 kg. The countries of the Commonwealth also use the long ton.
                    The short ton is used in the USA and until recently in Canada.
                    These units of weight are used mainly in sea freight.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 7 March 2021 17: 32
                      +1
                      These units of weight are used mainly in sea freight.
                      Which I was surprised in the above table, knowing this fact.
          3. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 8 March 2021 23: 45
            +1
            As I recall, the Germans put Belgian casemate 57-mm cannons (trophies) on their tanks ... And where did the Belgians get these guns from, I can't say now ...
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 7 March 2021 09: 43
          +3
          Once I had to read that in the history of the civil war in Russia a tank battle is mentioned between "white and red"! What do you think about this?
          1. kalibr
            7 March 2021 10: 25
            +6
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            tank battle between "white and red"

            Did not met. I met that our captured tanks were abandoned and they again went over to the whites ...
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 7 March 2021 12: 42
              +2
              It is a pity that at one time I did not pay special attention to the mention of a tank battle! Maybe it's true, I messed up something ... but I'll try to search!
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 7 March 2021 13: 12
              +5
              I managed to find the following info ... There was a battle between "white" tanks and "red" armored vehicles on October 14, 1920! But in some articles where this battle is mentioned, this event is referred to as a "tank battle"! Apparently, I remember such a phrase!
          2. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 7 March 2021 12: 37
            +6
            There were no tanks, but there was a duel between armored vehicles in the summer of 1920 in Tavria. Opponents rammed each other. Duels between tanks and armored trains happened (the last one already in 1922 in Primorye). Here are armored trains among themselves - as many as you like ...
            In the Baltic States, one British tank fought - changed 5 armies and went through 3 wars in the end)
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 7 March 2021 09: 34
        +5
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Models are just a highlight!

        I agree ! Illustration class !! good
      3. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 7 March 2021 20: 31
        +3
        There is more information in the comments than in the article.
  2. Richard
    Richard 7 March 2021 05: 14
    +16
    On the first day of the offensive in Flanders on the river. Fox (Operation Georg, better known by the diminutive nickname "Georgette", April 9-30, 1918) three German tank "assault squads" operated in the zone of the 6th German army against British and Portuguese units in the strip between Armantier and the canal La Basset. Only 14 A7V tanks went into battle, the 15th (tank no. 562) broke down during training in the Charleroi camp. On April 9, at 4:05 am, German artillery began intensive shelling of enemy positions in this sector, placing chemical barriers using mustard gas on its flanks (the technique of "prizing" the flanks of an attack of tanks and infantry would be included in many instructions of the 1920s and 1930s). At 7:30 am, the infantry launched attacks in small groups. At 9:00, after a renewed artillery bombardment, the main forces went over to the attack, in some places supported by tanks. On almost the entire front, the Germans managed to advance deep into the enemy's defenses to a depth of 11 to 30 km, pushing the enemy back and forcing him to clear the front ledge at Ypres. By April 12, the Germans were close to the important railway junction Khazberuk. The British were already ready to evacuate their main bases in Dunkirk and Calais. But by April 14, the strength of the attacks had weakened. In the subsequent course of this offensive, German tanks no longer participated. Here the German army repeated the experience of the British and French in 1917 - after the very first battles, the forces of the tank units dried up, and in the future the battles went on practically without them. The most famous battle with the participation of the A7V at Villers-Breton on April 24, 1918. About the operation during which this happened, General Ludendorff wrote shortly after the war: Villers-Bretonne. She managed to move forward, but she could not keep the occupied territory. "
    a photo. The crew of the tank A7V No. 528 "Hagen" of the 2nd "assault squad" poses, literally sticking to their combat vehicle. June-July 1918

    Tank - with the Röchling hull of the second order. Pay attention to the additional booking of the control room, a lightweight version of booking machine gun casings. Tankers are equipped like soldiers of infantry assault groups.
    1. Richard
      Richard 7 March 2021 05: 18
      +14
      IMHO, the capture and retention of this settlement would provide the Germans with the subsequent capture of Arras and deepening the gap between the allied armies. Therefore, all three "assault squads" A7V available at that time were involved here. This was the largest concentration of German tanks in one sector in the whole of 1918. And although the battle at Villers-Bretonne is known primarily for the collision of tanks with tanks, it is worth telling in more detail not only about the first tank duel in history, but also about the rest of the actions of the German tankers that day. One tank, No. 540 from Section 2, was still under repair at Charleroi. Tanks sent to take part in the offensive unloaded at Guillaucourt on April 21, where tank no. 503 of the 3rd compartment was found to be damaged in the cylinder head. The rest of the tanks headed for Viencourt, while the "technical echelons" of the squads remained at the unloading station, where they organized a field depot of ammunition and fuel. Only 13 A7Vs, split into three groups, went into battle in the offensive zone of the German 2nd Army against units of the British 4th Army. On April 22, the group commanders received an order and were able to discuss issues of interaction with the infantry commanders. The first group, under the command of Oberleutenant Skopnik, included tanks No. 526 (which was commanded by Skopnik), 527 and 560 of the 1st squad and operated with the 228th Infantry Division; the second consolidated one under the command of Oberleutenant Wheeline (tanks No. 501, 505, 506, 507 of the 3rd squad, 541 and 562 of the 1st squad) - with the 4th Guards Division in the center of the battle formation; 3rd Oberleutenant Steinhard (tanks 525, 542, 561 and 504 of the 3rd squad) - with the 77th reserve division. In accordance with the chosen tactics, the tanks were sent to the most important object - the village of Villers-Bretonne. In order not to be at too great a risk of being hit by British field artillery fire, the tanks, after completing their tasks and after the infantry had reached the task of the day and consolidated in new positions, had to return to the assembly point behind the forward German trenches. In case of successful advancement, the vehicles of the "technical echelons" were supposed to bring ammunition and fuel to Viencourt, then to Marselkav, from where "combat echelons" of squads were advanced before the battle, and two trucks were allocated to supply each squad - one for ammunition, the other for fuel.
      It is curious that tank No. 562 was experimentally equipped with a radio station, but it was impossible to maintain communication in the conditions of a shaking tank, the noise and interference from the magneto engines standing inside it.
      a photo Four A7Vs with Krupp and Röchling hulls arrived from the factory in Montsø-sur-Sambre (Charleroi). End of March 1918
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 7 March 2021 05: 22
      +8
      How did the crew breathe in such quantities inside this iron box when firing their weapons? what
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 March 2021 06: 56
        +11
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        How did the crew breathe in such quantities inside this iron box when firing their weapons? what

        No way! In addition to powder gases, the crews suffered from carbon monoxide and gasoline vapors. Therefore, in the heat of battle, poisoning was not uncommon. Often the tanks stopped, the crews crawled out into the "street" in the middle of the battle - after catching their breath, they continued it.
        The only means of struggle were gas masks, but the filter resource did not exceed 10 hours.
        Considering that there were no triplexes yet, and in order to protect themselves from lead splashes, the tankers wore chain mail masks, their appearance was quite futuristic !!!
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 7 March 2021 07: 29
          +14
          Hi Vlad! Yes, they looked ... * viral *! laughing

          1. Richard
            Richard 7 March 2021 09: 57
            +9
            Hello, Sergey hi
            I shouldn't have cropped the top right photo. the german crew right at their A7V posing
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 7 March 2021 10: 05
              +3
              Dmitry, greetings! * I'm not guilty, he came himself! * laughing Unfortunately, this option popped up for me. Yours is better! good
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 7 March 2021 10: 05
              +4
              Sergei did not cut it off, this is a collage on the theme of tank masks.
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 7 March 2021 10: 08
            +6
            Sergei, your dislike for the "mask mode" is becoming a pathology. laughing
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 7 March 2021 10: 13
              +5
              Oh, Anton. Right. Especially when you see some people in the news, without them. And immediately the question in my head: * And why should they, but we, like clowns in rags, have to walk?!?! * But this does not apply to the topic, so .... another time, buddy. hi
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 7 March 2021 10: 18
                +6
                But this does not apply to the topic
                Come on ... 90% of what we write in the comments is not related to topics.
          3. Intruder
            Intruder 8 March 2021 01: 02
            0
            Yes, they looked ...
            straight, post-apocalypse ..., I doubt a little about the implementation of body armor for the lower part of the face, a chain mail half-mask, in the era of the rifle and "bold" calibers!
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 March 2021 08: 10
          +9
          The only means of struggle were gas masks, but the filter resource did not exceed 10 hours.
          In the case of carbon monoxide as a dead poultice.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 March 2021 11: 26
            +5
            Anton was still little known about this, so at the first sign they wore gas masks. There were cases in them and the whole crew was fucked up.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 7 March 2021 11: 38
              +3
              Gas mask - a dubious remedy against mustard gas
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 March 2021 14: 53
                +2
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Gas mask - a dubious remedy against mustard gas

                Especially based on apricot kernel filter. They also did not immediately come to the adsorbent mixtures based on coal.
                Time to experiment!
      2. Lynx-z
        Lynx-z 7 March 2021 13: 44
        +2
        everything is like a minibus at rush hour ..
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 March 2021 16: 38
          +2
          Quote: Lynx-Z
          everything is like a minibus at rush hour ..

          No worse!
          The first models of the Marks were driven by three drivers and mechanics !!! The Renault FT-17 commander did not have a seat and was content with a strap hammock. Due to the lack of a suspension, the tanks chattered so much that serious injuries were not uncommon. The engines were located inside the equipment, they were imperfect and often broke. Sometimes no more than half of the standard tanks took part in the hostilities, the rest broke down when moving into position for an attack. Sometimes this distance is less than 10 miles, as in Cambrai.
          So the minibus is the "pink dream of a tanker"!
          Although I heard from the old drivers about the "comfort" of our Polutorok (GAZ-AA), especially the wartime release. You think the driver and the driver are two different "quantities"!
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 7 March 2021 05: 17
    +8
    Handsome Renault FT-17 is very good for its time.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 7 March 2021 07: 46
      +10
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Handsome Renault FT-17 is very good for its time

      The most perfect PMV tank
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 March 2021 12: 15
        +1
        Well, the most perfect tank of the First World War is considered to be its Italian copy of the Fiat-3000!
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 7 March 2021 15: 26
          +5
          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Well, the most perfect tank of the First World War is considered to be its Italian copy of the Fiat-3000!

          a copy is a copy and, as far as I remember, it is already afterwartime
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 March 2021 16: 15
            0
            Quote: Olgovich
            the copy is a copy and, as far as I remember, it is already from the post-war period

            No, the Italians managed to roll out the first production car a month before the end of WWI.
            The most successful post-war "restyling" Renault-FT-17 is our MS-1.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 March 2021 19: 37
              +3
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              No, the Italians managed to roll out the first production car a month before the end of WWI.

              Where does this information come from? By April 1919, only the documentation was ready. A 'rolled out' only in the summer of 1920.
              Let me remind you that the war ended in November 1918.
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 March 2021 19: 46
                0
                Means wrong!
                Thank you for correcting.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 March 2021 18: 45
        +3
        Quote: Olgovich
        The most perfect PMV tank

        The artillerymen of the Kaiser from the 5th regiment von Podbielski (1st Lower Silesian) also like it.
  4. Richard
    Richard 7 March 2021 05: 23
    +16
    On April 24, at 4:45 am, the tanks began to move to their initial positions assigned to them behind the forward trenches. The attack began, according to British data, at 7:00 am under cover of morning fog and smoke screen. The terrain in this area corresponded to the driving performance of the A7V - there were long "cultivated" flat fields, there are few shell craters, trenches and ditches are relatively narrow. The first group of A7V Oberleutenant Skopnik moved from their original positions at 6:50 and headed directly to Villers-Bretonne. All three tanks of the group successfully advanced to the village, overtaking their infantry, passed through the village and the nearby grove, and even forced the British soldiers to surrender. But they were forced to return to help advance the infantry, which stopped in front of the British positions. Under their cover, the German infantry captured the leading British trenches and machine-gun points, taking many prisoners. Tank No. 526 Skopnik advanced 100 m along the railway line behind Villers-Bretonne without infantry, then returned, fired at and suppressed four machine-gun points from the rear. Then he helped the infantry eliminate several more machine gun positions on the outskirts of Villers-Bretonnay and advance to the railway crossing on the western edge of the village. Tanks No. 527 (commander Lieutenant Fitze) and No. 560 (Lieutenant Volckheim) advanced in fog and smoke almost independently of the commander's, nevertheless at 8:45 they caught up with him near a brick factory. Here the British infantry and machine gunners held a stubborn defense with intense fire. Three tanks came close and opened fire on the building and firing points. British soldiers were forced to surrender. Then tanks # 527 and # 560 moved to the sheds on the eastern outskirts of the village, where the British machine gunners also settled, suppressed their fire and helped the infantry capture fortified buildings in this area. By noon, the tanks of the first group, having completed their task, were taken to the assembly point.
    a photoThe tanks of the 1st "assault squad" are advanced by the forest road to the starting position for the attack.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 7 March 2021 05: 29
      +9
      The tanks of the 1st "assault squad" are advanced by the forest road to the starting position for the attack.
      Well, it must be ... I did not suspect that such photos even exist ... it is incredible that they have survived to this day. good
  5. Richard
    Richard 7 March 2021 05: 29
    +13
    The crew of the A7V tank on vacation in a destroyed village in the Villers-Bretonnay area. April 1918 A camouflage net is visible on the control room and on the roof of the hull.


    Tank A7V No. 562 from the 1st "assault squad", early May 1918. On the frontal part, the places where enemy bullets hit in the battle at Villers-Bretonne are circled.


    Tank No. 560 from the 1st "assault squad" near Marselkaw immediately after the battle at Villers-Bretonne, April 24, 1918. The tank is in the stowed position, covered with a mask. Crew members are resting on the roof. On the right (in the area of ​​the left front door) is the commander of the vehicle, Lieutenant Volckheim.
  6. Richard
    Richard 7 March 2021 05: 34
    +15
    As a result of the battle, both from the Germans and from the British, two tanks were lost and two were damaged. Losses on the part of German tankers, according to British Major General J. Fuller (based on German sources collected by him) - nine people killed, including one officer, 36 wounded, including three officers, and one missing. According to other sources, it is true - six killed, 28 wounded, one prisoner. The field of the first battle between tanks and tanks remained with the British. This gave them reason to consider themselves the winners in this battle. However, the German attack on Villers-Bretonne was generally successful and made it possible to improve the position of the German troops in this sector. True, the very village of Villers-Bretonnay was taken back by the British on the night of April 24-25 - for this they threw strong Australian infantry battalions into battle, supporting them with tanks - but they could not advance beyond the village either. As the fighting continued in this area, tank No. 506 "Mephisto" remained in its crater for a long time, finding itself now near the German positions, now near the British, now on neutral territory. Finally, on June 14 this A7V was taken as a trophy by the Australian infantry, with the help of two Mk V tanks it was dragged to the rear of the British positions.
    a photo German tank number 506 "Mephisto", which became a trophy of the Australian infantry. On the side of the hull is already painted a British "imperial" lion, putting its paw on the A7V, and the date when it was incapacitated.

    a photo. The British edition "The War Illustrated" has placed a dramatic drawing of the first battle of tanks with tanks at Villers-Bretonne. The artist portrayed the German A7V almost hot on the trail quite plausibly, but he unwittingly confused the Nikse tank, which was in a duel with British tanks, with the captured Elfriede tank (which carried the third number).
    1. kalibr
      7 March 2021 07: 27
      +9
      Ah, yes, Richard, what have you dug! Bravo!
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 7 March 2021 20: 37
        -1
        Yes, comments are more interesting and informative than an article. Author, you are funny.
  7. Richard
    Richard 7 March 2021 05: 52
    +15
    ... five captured British Mk IVs with huge Teutonic crosses on their armor

    German tanks of the 2nd tank "assault squad" in April 1918. carried straight crosses on the armor
    a photo .Tank A7V No. 501. Pay attention to the shape of the straight crosses.

    a photo Twice trophy. The damaged Mk IV "female" tank from the German 2nd tank "assault squad" was taken by British soldiers. The tank also bears straight crosses.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 7 March 2021 06: 23
      +9
      That is, judging by these photographs, the monopolization of the Balkankreuz symbol by the Imperial Air Force is nothing more than another long-standing myth.
      1. Richard
        Richard 7 March 2021 06: 44
        +12
        Good morning Anton hi
        I am at a loss to answer. I only know that Balkankreuz became the official identification mark of the German Reich Air Force in mid-April 1918. came already in 1939 at the end of the military campaign in Poland
        a photo Balkenkreuz aboard a Fokker D.VII fighter, 1918
        .
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 March 2021 07: 07
          +8
          My compliments, Dmitry!
          That's the whole point! It is widely argued that a similar one began to be used on German armored vehicles only at the beginning of WWII, before that (officially from 15.04.1918/XNUMX/XNUMX.) Only as identification marks of the Air Force. And here is such a turn!
      2. Undecim
        Undecim 7 March 2021 17: 13
        +1
        That is, judging by these photographs, the monopolization of the Balkankreuz symbol by the Imperial Air Force is nothing more than another long-standing myth.
        This myth, like many others, is the fruit of the creativity of unscrupulous translators and scribes.
        If we take the primary sources in the form of German literature, and hardly anyone understands this issue better than the Germans, then we find that " Das Balkenkreuz wurde etwa ab 1916 bei der Fliegertruppe und den Panzertruppen des Deutschen Reiches verwendet. Es war ein einfaches Kreuz in Weiß oder Schwarz mit einer Umrandung in den Innenkanten des Kreuzes ".
        I hope that Fliegertruppe und den Panzertruppen understandable and without translation.
        Source - Adolf Schlicht, John R. Angolia: Die deutsche Wehrmacht. Uniformierung und Ausrüstung. 1933-1945.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 March 2021 17: 35
          +1
          Thank you Victor Nikolaevich!
          Note that for me personally, translating from German is somewhat tedious, but does not seem to be a disaster.
  8. Richard
    Richard 7 March 2021 06: 09
    +13
    realizing that they could not quickly build up their tank fleet, the Germans in 1918. attended to the creation of an effective anti-tank rifle.

    Calculations have shown that for confident penetration of 15 mm of armor at a distance of 300 m, a weapon of 12-14 mm caliber with a bullet mass of 45-55 g and an initial speed of 750-800 m / s is required. In 1917, the Polte company from Magdeburg developed the 13,25 × 92SR T-Gewehr cartridge. It was the world's first large-caliber rifle cartridge specifically designed to combat armored targets. With a sleeve length of 92 mm, its total length was 133 mm. Bullet weight - 52 g. Muzzle energy - 15400 J.
    a photo. Comparison of the British cartridge 7,7 × 56 mm R and 13,25 × 92SR T-Gewehr

    Under this cartridge, Mauser developed the Tankgewehr M1918 single-shot anti-tank rifle, which was put into service in the 1918 year. The PTR was recharged using a longitudinal slide valve with a turn. The new weapon actually was a single-shot Mauser 98 single rifle. The rifle had a wooden box with a pistol grip, in front of the box is mounted a bipod from the MG-08 / 15 machine gun.

    a photo.New Zealand Marines pose with captured anti-tank gun, August 1918

    linkhttps://topwar.ru/145494-protivotankovye-sredstva-nemeckoj-pehoty-chast-1.html
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 7 March 2021 06: 58
      +9
      The New Zealanders are wearing Brody's helmet, I wonder what guided the officials of the British military department when taking it into service? And he served right up to 1939.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 7 March 2021 07: 35
        +8
        I wonder what the officials of the British military department were guided by when they took it into service?
        Traditions, apparently. Well this is a classic cappelin.
        Sergei! hi
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 7 March 2021 07: 41
          +9
          Hi Anton! The first thought was the same, it was about traditions and conservatism. But then * deepened into the topic * and found out that the first place was taken by the cheapness of manufacturing. Of course, in terms of functionality *, they don't stand next to German helmets. at the same / almost / time.


          Below, of course, is Adrian's helmet, on our soldiers.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 7 March 2021 07: 53
            +6
            So the "chapel le fer" was not distinguished by high manufacturability of manufacture, therefore it became widespread.
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 March 2021 17: 55
          +5
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Traditions, apparently.

          The combination of kilt and Brody on captive Highlanders is very colorful ...
      2. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 7 March 2021 12: 43
        +4
        Widespread use of shrapnel and sitting in trenches. The shaving basin is optimal. The Germans eventually came to something similar - remember the helmets of the GDR army.
        Do not flatter yourself about the strength of any helmets. By the way, Adrian, despite his absurd appearance, is optimal in terms of defense.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 7 March 2021 13: 26
          +5
          Yes, the helmets of the GDR army cannot be forgotten!

          But it is interesting that the work on this helmet went back to Nazi times.
      3. bk0010
        bk0010 7 March 2021 14: 32
        +4
        I wonder what the officials of the British military department were guided by when they took it into service?
        Shrapnel protection capability. The infantry in the trenches suffered losses from shrapnel fire (hit from above). They came up with this helmet. A bunch of wounded in the head immediately appeared, these were those who had previously been simply killed.
      4. hohol95
        hohol95 7 March 2021 22: 53
        +2
        The British at least created their own steel helmet. In the Russian Empire, they did not create their own helmet at all, but bought a French one (they ordered 2 million, but received 340 thousand)
        An attempt to copy Adrian's helmet model 1915 resulted in an order at the Sohlberg-Oy and VW Holmberg factories. Only these factories were located in Finland and the order was placed in 1917. So, the army practically did not see helmets of local production.
        A total of 500000 helmets were produced at Sohlberg-Oy, and 100000 at VW Holmberg. In 1918, Finland declared independence and the helmets issued, but not sent to Russia, remained at the disposal of the Finnish government. Most of the remaining helmets were not equipped with a comforter, since it was originally planned to be installed at factories in Russia.
        A small number of these helmets were used in the Red Army.
    2. gsev
      gsev 7 March 2021 10: 11
      +5
      Quote: Richard
      Calculations have shown that for confident penetration of 15 mm of armor at a distance of 300 m, a weapon of 12-14 mm caliber with a bullet mass of 45-55 g and an initial speed of 750-800 m / s is required.

      In the first Karabakh war, the Armenians were able to obtain a large number of spare barrels of the Vladimirov machine gun. Local craftsmen equipped them with a bolt of an original design. A machine gun created in Nagorno-Karabakh pierced the frontal armor of an armored personnel carrier, and when firing at the side, the armored personnel carrier pierced through. Vladimirov's standard machine gun did not penetrate the armored personnel carrier's additional armor during comparative tests.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 March 2021 14: 59
        +5
        Quote: gsev
        A machine gun created in Nagorno-Karabakh pierced the frontal armor of an armored personnel carrier, and when firing at the side, the armored personnel carrier pierced through. The regular Vladimirov machine gun did not penetrate the armored personnel carrier's additional armor during comparative tests.

        History blurred in certain circles. An old BTR-40 was shot from the Armenian wunderwafele. For KVPT used BTR-80! So the result was predictable.
        1. gsev
          gsev 9 March 2021 03: 07
          +1
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          History blurred in certain circles.

          I spoke with the designer of this Armenian machine gun.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 March 2021 04: 37
            +1
            Quote: gsev
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            History blurred in certain circles.

            I spoke with the designer of this Armenian machine gun.

            To me, more precisely to us (cadets), this story was told by an eyewitness and participant in the war and tests of the wunderwafli. He is still alive, although he was seriously ill with COVID in November last year. The end of the story was not patriotic for the Armenians, and if I am not mistaken, they argued for brandy. KVPT of the same 80 on which they shmalnuli, also punched the body in the old-fashioned 40 in the forehead and side.
            I omit army humor! The salt of the story was that those events (with a conditional test) were overgrown with a legend about the super capabilities of the Armenian machine gun. Caucasus in one word.
            Later, I repeatedly heard different versions of this bike, but the essence did not change. Then Chechen separatists did something similar with the Wolf submachine gun. I saw them personally. A plumber's dream.
            I have already been told personally, "He sews the armor of a tank to his brother." Yeah, a 9x18 cartridge from Makarov.
            Good luck, Kote!
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 7 March 2021 12: 56
      +3
      "actually represented a single-shot rifle Mauser98, the Germans are great: they did not bother too much, but simply increased the caliber of the rifle and that's it.
      That's just, I'm trying to make sure that there were a lot of cartridges. A standard chuck is one thing, and a new chuck means new equipment, increased consumption of brass. In 1918, the Germans no longer had enough brass, money, or time.
    4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 March 2021 17: 50
      +5
      Quote: Richard
      New Zealand Marines pose with captured anti-tank gun, August 1918

      Tommy - POWs of the Spring Offensive.
      On the right, I guess a sniper ...)
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 7 March 2021 18: 30
        +2
        On the right, I guess a sniper ...)
        It would be safe to say only by seeing the shoulder joint and the index finger of the right hand. And so, you are right, the characteristic damage to the face.
  9. Richard
    Richard 7 March 2021 06: 12
    +6
    Author's article. as always, above all praise.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you good
    1. edmed
      edmed 7 March 2021 06: 30
      +9
      Quote: Richard
      Author's article. as always, above all praise.

      Your comments, "finally fire", sorry for the slang. Respectfully, hi
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 7 March 2021 06: 34
        +8
        Dmitry "zhzhot" !!! laughing
        1. edmed
          edmed 7 March 2021 06: 44
          +8
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Dmitry "zhzhot" !!!

          “Yes, really!” When the comments are detailed and more informative than the article, no offense to the author. smile
          1. Richard
            Richard 7 March 2021 06: 51
            +12
            More informative than an article? Well, this is unlikely. Shpakovsky is not the case yes smile
            My comments here are like an appetizer to a good drink. wink drinks
            1. edmed
              edmed 7 March 2021 06: 55
              +9
              Quote: Richard
              More informative than an article?

              I will not dispute, with your permission, I will stay with it. hi
            2. Korsar4
              Korsar4 7 March 2021 07: 00
              +6
              And some, out of habit, turn a snack into food.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 7 March 2021 07: 47
                +8
                "- Fedya, why did you divorce your wife?
                Fyodor thought about it.
                - She, you know, walks slowly ...
                And most importantly, he eats every day! " (FROM)
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 7 March 2021 07: 54
                  +5
                  “Half a grain a day. A day is not much. I'm getting married! And a year? " (from).
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 7 March 2021 07: 57
                    +7
                    "She was about the size of an angel" (C)
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 7 March 2021 08: 41
                      +5
                      “For two years I have seen men in front of me who eat, eat and eat” (c).
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 7 March 2021 08: 44
                        +7
                        "And in Vilaribo they still do the dishes" (C)
                      2. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 7 March 2021 08: 53
                        +4
                        "And all alone?" (from).
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 7 March 2021 09: 03
                        +4
                        "In the seventy-second,
                        One and one ... "(C)
                      4. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 7 March 2021 10: 59
                        +3
                        “I want to start my new life here” (c).
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 7 March 2021 11: 14
                        +3
                        "Life is a disease of matter, thinking is a disease of life." (FROM)
                      6. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 7 March 2021 11: 24
                        +2
                        "And it will pass" (c).
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 7 March 2021 12: 13
                        +2
                        "What kind of dream will I have in that death dream?" (FROM)
                      8. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 7 March 2021 14: 46
                        +4
                        "Either I am Chuang Zhou, who dreamed that he was a butterfly" (c).
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 7 March 2021 20: 43
    0
    You are wrong. Your comments are more informative and informative than the article.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 7 March 2021 06: 37
    +12
    Good morning!
    An excellent article by V.O. and no less excellent comments by Dmitry Bravo! good Glad to read you.
    1. 1331M
      1331M 7 March 2021 09: 10
      +13
      I fully agree! Thanks to the author and commentators for an interesting story about this battle unknown to me!
  • Catfish
    Catfish 7 March 2021 08: 51
    +13
    Good morning friends! hi
    Nice to see everyone assembled. smile
    Vyacheslav, as always, is on top, which, as always, is nice.
    Special thanks to Dima! Dima, after you there is nothing to do with our comments, and there is nothing more to comment on. laughing Keep it up, buddy!

    I will engage in natural plagiarism, some of ours have already compared the tanks of that time with the "Iron Kaput", but there, it seemed, they were talking about the British, and with the German "Sarai A7V" - "Kaput" the name is the most appropriate, oh, this one. " gloomy Teutonic genius ". laughing


    1. Phil77
      Phil77 7 March 2021 09: 00
      +5
      Where are the pictures? laughing Hi Konstantin!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 7 March 2021 09: 02
        +6
        Hello, Sergey!
        Again, some miracles in the sieve, everything is loaded through the stump-deck. request
        Here is the picture, I chose the most beautiful one .. smile
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 7 March 2021 09: 05
          +5
          Yes, yes, yes, I see the answer, the picture is no.
          * Something went wrong, Houston, we're in trouble. * laughing
          In general, it's nice to have a day off in good company. hi
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 7 March 2021 09: 10
      +5
      Ah! I saw it! I * slowed down *. And where are the traditional beautiful girls? bully
      1. Richard
        Richard 7 March 2021 10: 34
        +9
        .And where are the traditional beautiful girls?

        Don't wake up smartly, Seryozha. And then they will run over and quickly cover the whole tank topic. Better to do their pre-holiday affairs laughing
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 7 March 2021 10: 39
          +4
          ++++++++++! laughing
    3. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 7 March 2021 09: 13
      +4
      there is nothing to do with our comments,
      No, comrades, look at this poor cat !!! crying
      Especially when he, together with the "Hunter", gives out dialogues about a firearm for fifty comments! laughing
      Good morning, Uncle Kostya!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 7 March 2021 09: 18
        +5
        Hello Anton! fellow
        Yes, I didn’t think to be humble, I just like how thoroughly Rich approaches the matter, he himself needs to write articles, and he is all modest.

        How is it there in St. Petersburg, has the ice already started on the Neva?

        "In Leningrad, March-April
        That drops, and then a blizzard ... "(c) smile
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 March 2021 09: 25
          +4
          Yesterday evening - a blizzard. I don’t know about ice, I haven’t been on the embankments for a long time. But a week ago, the "clients of the Ministry of Emergency Situations" were fishing in the bay.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 7 March 2021 09: 38
            +7
            Oh, these "clients", every year the same thing:
            "Choosing a place between ice floes,
            We dive as one "(c) laughing

          2. Phil77
            Phil77 7 March 2021 10: 17
            +7
            And it is sweeping in Moscow now. When? When, I ask you, will spring come?!? laughing
            But ... the cat has started * spring marathon *, he's * basic instinct *.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 7 March 2021 10: 28
              +5
              In four months, being "in the kingdom of hot asphalt and stifling concrete", you will cry out to heaven: when will autumn come ?!
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 7 March 2021 10: 35
                +3
                Yes, no, probably. Rather: when is winter? There is a philosophical attitude towards autumn: well, there is and there is, let it be. I am more afraid of early spring, because I catch a cold during this period. Although it happened before in autumn, but this year? Ugh, Ugh! Probably the mobilization of the body? Because of this, * a fashionable disease *. belay
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 7 March 2021 10: 47
                  +4
                  You are ... Be careful with the definition of "fashionable disease" ... laughing
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 7 March 2021 11: 35
                    +2
                    Yes, now there is only one in the * trend *. The rest have somehow become irrelevant.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 7 March 2021 11: 42
                      +2
                      Yeah? Have you been vaccinated against the banal "tetanus" for a long time?
                      1. vladcub
                        vladcub 7 March 2021 13: 15
                        +4
                        I was vaccinated against tetanus a year ago, and the other day I got a "fashionable" vaccine. He looked that Astra did not run away into the jungle and did it for himself. And then get sick, and even more "glue flippers" (acquaintances, 7 people "leaned back") no desire
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 March 2021 17: 42
                        +2
                        That's right, Slava, and we are on March 11 for the second vaccination - God protects those who are taken care of. smile
                      3. Astra wild2
                        Astra wild2 7 March 2021 19: 39
                        +4
                        May I contact you too: Uncle Kostya?
                        I am glad that there are still people who do not succumb to obscurantism. I have seen so much nonsense about vaccination on the Internet that a "Sabbath of obscurantism" inevitably suggests itself.
                        When they simply doubt the safety of the vaccine, or, as one wrote: "in spite of Putin I will not get vaccinated," although naively (Putin was scared that he even hiccups) can also be explained.
                        When they deliberately encourage obscurantism in order to make money for obscurantism - meanness, or maybe a deliberate sabotage? Such as Navalny, Gudkov, Kasyanov or Ksenia Sobchak do not care about the people. On the contrary, the more we die out - it is more profitable for them.
                        Recently I found some blogger Minaev on YouTube, he sincerely cares about his well-being and makes money on obscurantism. I won't be happy if he got himself vaccinated
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 March 2021 19: 48
                        +2
                        Yes, let them be furious, their whole life - "a feast in the time of the plague" - parasites and backsliders.
                      5. Astra wild2
                        Astra wild2 8 March 2021 07: 49
                        +2
                        Correctly said: "parasites"
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 March 2021 08: 52
                        +2
                        Dear Vera, love I congratulate you on the Spring holiday and wish you all the very best! smile drinks
                      7. Astra wild2
                        Astra wild2 8 March 2021 14: 04
                        +2
                        thanks for the congratulation
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 7 March 2021 17: 43
        +1
        "... and a fashionable disease, she,
        recently presented to you "(c) hi
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 7 March 2021 09: 41
    +2
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    However, I will note: again about tanks ... When will it be about flambergs ?!
    Where to go to the poor minstrel ... crying
    At least write yourself!
    1. kalibr
      7 March 2021 10: 33
      +4
      Anton! There are many topics. You reminded about the Decembrists - I finished yesterday. But she is not even on moderation yet. There is a "crowe", it is spelled, there is a "revolver", there are "accelerators" ... there is another new topic, it has not been there yet. "clothes" ... it can be difficult to prioritize. So I got permission from the Hermitage - I immediately dropped everything and write an article about Pushkin's duels. And the article about the Decembrists ... pulled a sequel ... And about the Middle Ages, again, a new topic is outlined ... so flambergs ... God knows ...
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 7 March 2021 10: 44
        +3
        So it's great when there are a lot of topics!
        Excuse me, in this case I am a little jerky and moan. You understand that my passion is the European Middle Ages, the topic on which I know a little more than nothing.
        1. kalibr
          7 March 2021 11: 17
          +1
          Anton, I understand you very well. This is my interest too. But you can't write about the Middle Ages alone. By the way, here TM will start publishing a new magazine, there will be my article on armor and weapons in every issue.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 7 March 2021 11: 25
            +3
            This is if the Carriers of the bubble will finish. I would rather read your articles in Popular Mechanics.
            1. kalibr
              7 March 2021 11: 55
              +1
              With Popular: I worked with them both in print and on-line materials came out in 4000, but ... then the hand-in and style changed. "All materials are prepared by the editorial staff on a regular basis." And many in the style of an interview with the "master". And how can I settle down here, from which side? I don’t forge armor, I don’t forge tanks out of everything that I don’t collect at hand ... Yes, if all this had happened, these would be one-time publications. So it's not all carnival for the cat ...
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 7 March 2021 12: 05
                +2
                So in "Popmechanics" 90% of authors do not forge, and without forging, do not understand the topics described!
                1. kalibr
                  7 March 2021 16: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  So in "Popmechanics" 90% of authors do not forge, and without forging, do not understand the topics described!

                  But YOURS! Now this fashion has gone!
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              2. vladcub
                vladcub 7 March 2021 17: 45
                +3
                Actually, Anton is a dog lover, not a cat lover.
            2. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 7 March 2021 20: 53
              -1
              I would rather read your articles in Popular Mechanics.
              Oh yeah! Gauleiter Mr. Shpakovsky, there is a place!
              1. kalibr
                7 March 2021 21: 24
                +1
                Oh, second click. Bravo, Alexander! Well, also. God loves trinity!
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 9 March 2021 09: 53
                  0
                  Oh, second click. Bravo, Alexander! Well, also. God loves trinity!
                  Um, is it really that bad with your arichmetic?
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 7 March 2021 19: 00
        +3
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, when will it be interesting for women? For a long time there is no "clothes", there is nothing romantic. I got my friends interested in the site: we read Valery with pleasure, but he was carried away by the history of the mafia, your materials on clothing, about secret societies. All of this WAS, and now ... tanks.
        R.
        S
        Perhaps you will have at least short stories about knights, otherwise armor without knights is the same as an apartment without windows
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 March 2021 19: 18
          +2
          There will be, to you, My Fair Stranger, and about the "knights", and about the beautiful ladies, and about the "dark Middle Ages". Only I still need to read something ...
        2. kalibr
          7 March 2021 21: 27
          +2
          Dear Astra! The material "The Horrible Ghosts of Lip Castle" is being moderated. There are secrets, horrors, and history ... But I am not responsible for the release. This is decided by the site administration.
        3. kalibr
          7 March 2021 21: 35
          +1
          Quote: Astra wild2
          All of this WAS, and now ... tanks.

          Tanks, Astra, this is when I get tired ... I usually rest on them. You have to work with clothes. You have no idea how difficult it is ...
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 8 March 2021 07: 46
            +1
            Thank you encouraged
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 7 March 2021 11: 43
      +3
      Try it. Astra constantly whines that there are few authors
      1. kalibr
        7 March 2021 11: 58
        +1
        Svyatoslav! Here the problem is not only to write. Where can you get unique photos? Only public domain, only with permission ... But getting it is not so easy. The Dresden Armory is not responding. A number of other museums too. State Historical Museum - it hurts for a photo of 7 thousand. Well, let Anton turn to the Hermitage ... And it will take him, the poor man, a lot of time for one article. I'm only in favor. I would be interested to read him ... Is that how he wants it?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 March 2021 16: 31
          +1
          I would be interested to read him ... Is that how he wants it?
          To write something interesting, you first need to read five times more. Sometimes foreign literature. Moreover, in the topics that interest me, English is not a panacea.
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 7 March 2021 12: 08
        +3
        In my opinion, the verb "whines" is not entirely correct in relation to this person.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 7 March 2021 13: 03
          +3
          I agree, you can choose another definition, she is not an ordinary person
        2. kalibr
          7 March 2021 13: 30
          +1
          Right now, Anton, has visited, for example, the Wallace Collection. It was a reference to K. Blair that there are "swords with wavy blades." I didn't find them. Found some interesting armor. But ... only with permission. True, the address was. And separately for the press. Now you need to write a letter to them and explain everything, that for "educational purposes" ...
  • vladcub
    vladcub 7 March 2021 11: 21
    +3
    Good afternoon. The title immediately reminded me: "Star Wars" only I did not see Darth Vader.
    Perhaps Lieutenant Mitchell?
  • Undecim
    Undecim 7 March 2021 11: 25
    +6
    As a result, "Mephisto" stood in the open air in the Old Museum of Brisbane for decades before it was transferred to the Queensland Museum in the 1990s.
    If you are in Australia and want to see the world's last real A7V - you are here
    I'll clarify a little, otherwise those who wish will get confused. The Brisbane Museum does not exist, there is the Queensland Museum located in the state capital, Brisbane.
    From 1889 to 1986, the museum occupied an exhibition hall in the suburbs, now called the Old Museum, and in 1986 moved to the Queensland Cultural Center on the South Bank.

    1919 year. Tank A7V "Mephisto" dragged into the Old Queensland Museum in the Brisbane suburb of Bowen Hills.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 7 March 2021 11: 49
      +4
      otherwise those who wish will get confused
      Viktor Nikolaevich, I really appreciate your sense of humor, but here you are clearly making fun.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 7 March 2021 13: 09
        +3
        but here you are clearly kidding
        And in my thoughts was not. If I get trolled sometimes, I go to "News" or "Opinions".
  • vladcub
    vladcub 7 March 2021 11: 40
    +3
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    tank battle between "white and red"

    Did not met. I met that our captured tanks were abandoned and they again went over to the whites ...

    For the sake of truth. White did this too, otherwise, where can the Reds get the tanks?
    1. Senior seaman
      Senior seaman 8 March 2021 10: 22
      +1
      Note, Vyacheslav Olegovich, when he said "our" meant the Reds! :))
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 March 2021 16: 54
    +1
    In addition, one of the shells damaged something in the tank's mechanics, so that it stopped moving. The crew left the tank and joined the infantry

    Nonsense. The crew of Lieutenant Wilhelm Biltz (by the way, for some reason, the author did not mention the name of the German commander - Wilhelm Biltz, although the British are not anonymous) really jumped out of the tank, but, falling under machine gun fire, was forced to climb back. "Nikse" (the A7V had a proper name, by the way) made a retreat and finally stalled only after a couple of kilometers.
    1. kalibr
      7 March 2021 17: 11
      +1
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      although the British are not anonymous with him

      I like the British, the Germans - no!
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 March 2021 17: 36
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        I like the British, the Germans - no!

        What does Anglophilism have to do with it? You write about the first ever tank duel - why not call all the participants by name?
        As I understand it, your signature under this photo is also dictated by your dislike for the Germans:

        is not it?)
        Although the annotation to it says that this is most likely the same Nikse, dismantled by the Germans due to the impossibility of evacuation or field repairs.
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 March 2021 17: 26
    +2
    Quote: Lynx-Z
    everything is like a minibus at rush hour ..

    No worse!
    The first models of the Marks were driven by three drivers and mechanics !!! The Renault FT-17 commander did not have a seat and was content with a strap hammock. Due to the lack of a suspension in the tanks, it dangled so much that serious injuries were not uncommon
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 March 2021 17: 45
    +4
    Tank "Elfiride". Bundesarchive

    Well, mention "Elfriede" and not stick in the famous photo of posing fr. and brit. officers - not order)))

    18-05-1918
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 7 March 2021 17: 53
      +3
      My respect, colleague!
      Tell me please, where did you get this photo from?
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 March 2021 18: 00
        +5
        from the website of the Imperial War Museum (IWM)
        Just a treasure.


        By the way, have you watched the Peter Jackson movie?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 March 2021 18: 08
          +3
          "They'll never get older"?
          Unfortunately not. I heard a lot, but so far I have not bothered to, alas.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 March 2021 18: 53
            +3
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Unfortunately not. I heard a lot, but so far I have not bothered to, alas.

            Well then ..... Go and see!
            ))

            (British traffic controller at Blandeck, May 1918)
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 7 March 2021 18: 25
    +6
    Good evening everyone. It's nice to see meaningful comments and friendly conversation, but I want to spoil your idyll, I'm tired and I have to "break away". So don't be too offended
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 7 March 2021 19: 07
      +3
      All right, lads! Get into the gut! laughing
  • Catfish
    Catfish 7 March 2021 19: 31
    +3
    They also had tanks, but what kind of tanks were they? 7 tanks "Whippet" ...




    By the way, the Germans, practically copying the Whippet, developed a tank with cannon armament.
    Light cannon tank LK-II. The tank had a weight of 8,5 tons, a length of 5,1 m, a width of 2,0 m and a height of 2,7 m. Armor protection of the forehead and hull 14 mm thick, roof and bottom 8 mm, crew of 3 people.
    Cannon - 37 mm. Two prototypes of the tank were manufactured in October 1918.



    Then, as always, they were blown away and they designed "Capa ..., sorry," Colossal.
    The weight of the tank is 150 tons, length 12,8 m, width 5,9 m, height 3,3 m, four 77-mm caponier cannons and six (seven) 7,92-mm machine guns were used as weapons.
    Armor thickness 30 mm.



    In April, the production of prototypes of the tank began on 1918, by the fall of 1918, one tank "Kolossal" was almost made, for the second a set of basic units and components (except engines) and an armored hull were ready. But Germany lost the war, and according to the Versailles Treaty, tank samples were dismantled and destroyed.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 7 March 2021 19: 41
      +4
      That's it, the mobile version of the resource went into the Schwarzschild sphere ...
      Administration! Answer users: what's going on ?!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 7 March 2021 19: 46
        +3
        I have already had everything here through the stump-deck, and the admins do not itch.
      2. bubalik
        bubalik 7 March 2021 20: 02
        +2
        Some pictures on the VO also need to be compressed, it is strange that black holes are not formed. laughing although I'm not sure about Konstantin recourse
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 March 2021 20: 08
          +2
          Sergey, my respect! hi
          When it was necessary to compress a picture, the site issued a corresponding annotation. This is not happening at the moment.
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 7 March 2021 20: 18
            +3
            This is not happening at the moment.
            Anton hi
            repeat so to speak to support the conversation, but not all formats are accepted.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 7 March 2021 20: 32
              +4
              Here "mine do not play" ...
              I have never tried to place illustrations in an article ... request
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 7 March 2021 20: 16
    +3
    Good article, good comments, everything is as it should be. Today I was present at the discussion from the very beginning, but somehow I didn’t want to interfere, it’s painfully good, colleagues, you are doing well today. I love it when it is like this: cozy, home-like, without politics, when even if you want to get nasty on someone, there is no one, not a single inadequate. smile
    For my complete happiness today, all that is lacking is some lengthy discussion between competent opponents, with an exchange of views against the background of mutual respect. smile
    Clever thoughts do not creep into my head, that's what is bad. Apparently, it really is necessary to move from the category of commentators to the category of purely readers, at least for a while, until the crisis of creativity dissipates by itself.
    Thanks again to the author for the interesting article, and to the commentators for the friendly atmosphere of easy communication.
    smile hi
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 7 March 2021 20: 33
      +5
      The innkeeper watched the party vigilantly and relaxed at the same time, personally without interfering with what was happening, but it was clear: if he said even a word, he would be immediately obeyed. smile
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 7 March 2021 20: 39
      +5
      Damn!
      "Doctor, we are losing him!"
      Michael, why? I find opportunities to comment on materials so close to me ...
  • hohol95
    hohol95 7 March 2021 22: 37
    +2
    General Erich Ludendorff on tanks -
    The time has not come for us to build tanks yet. The aviation industry occupied a special place. The enemy armies competed among themselves in the production of the fastest and fastest taking off combat airplanes. P.154.
    German soldiers were superior to the French and British in everything, even where the enemy used tanks. P.278.

    QUOTES from: Erich Ludendorff. My memories of the war (World War I in the notes of a German commander 1914-1918. M., Tsentropoligraf, 2007.
    And yet the German command itself did not believe in the effectiveness of the combat use of tanks -
    Field Marshal Hindenburg, who examined the first 10 A7Vs, said: "They probably won't do much good, but since they've already been done, we'll try to apply them."
  • Basarev
    Basarev April 28 2021 19: 33
    0
    An unusually useless war. Germany was doomed from the beginning, the resources of Britain and Germany are too incomparable. It was necessary not to anger the British, not to build a fleet of the high seas, not to take colonies ... And keep your Austrian mongrels from rash steps like that unacceptable ultimatum. And it was necessary to invest in aviation and cooperate with healthy forces - with Russia with its endless resources, with the young USA, with Japan ... and not with two sick people of Europe - Austria and Turkey.