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At the meeting of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, a "secret decision" was made on the issues of actions in Donbass

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A meeting of the National Security and Defense Council was held in Ukraine, which was called secret. But, despite the declared secrecy, certain information still leaked to the media.


Thus, it is reported that NSDC Secretary Alexei Danilov raised the topic of the exacerbation of the situation in Donbass. Reportedly, in connection with “the increased activity of the enemy”, a “secret decision” was made on the issues of actions in the JFO zone, in the Donbass. Recall that the JFO is an operation of the so-called joint forces.

Danilov, answering a question from journalists, said that he could not detail the details of the decisions made because of "their secrecy."

It is known that during the meeting of the National Security and Defense Council under the President of Ukraine, reports were heard by the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ruslan Khomchak, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate, Colonel Kirill Budanov, and the head of the foreign intelligence service, Lieutenant General Valery Kondratyuk.

As reported, they reported to the President on the operational situation in the JFO zone, named the most difficult areas along the contact line.

Aleksey Danilov once again emphasized that commanders on the ground were given the right to issue orders "for return fire to kill" without consulting the higher command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

At the meeting of the NSDC, it was announced that the situation in Donbass was aggravating, while the Ukrainian side traditionally places full responsibility for this aggravation on the DPR people's militia.

Meanwhile, the DPR confirmed the fact of the loss of their serviceman. It is noted that he was wounded, incompatible with life, near Gorlovka. The DPR NM command notes that the Ukrainian side opened mortar fire on the area of ​​the Gagarin mine settlement. The fire was carried out by the Ukrainian military from the positions of the 503rd separate battalion of marines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

It is no longer a secret to anyone that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is not going to fulfill his election promises to end the war in Donbass.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 20 February 2021 15: 20
    +7
    This is very similar, if not the end, then the rapid approach of the end.
    1. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 20 February 2021 15: 52
      +5
      Oh, don't rush. There, such masters portray a stormy activity to knock out loans from sponsors.
      For example, the IMF did not give money the other day. And then there was a "secret solution". Coincidence?...
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 20 February 2021 16: 53
        0
        So the IMF said that it would give money only after the "Secret Decision".
      2. frruc
        frruc 20 February 2021 17: 26
        +1
        A meeting of the National Security and Defense Council was held in Ukraine, which was called secret.

        Their secrets are already being discussed with might and main in eateries and on deliveries. They killed me.
      3. zloybond
        zloybond 21 February 2021 11: 11
        +3
        Well, they've built up a million army. At the same time, we in the Russian Federation observed and fed Ukraine with coal, fuel, and electricity. Everyone was waiting for when they would finally saturate the army with combat-ready troops and weapons in order to start crushing the population of Donbas. Instead, it was necessary to send a warm Yanukovych to Donbas to raise the people. Ato here he is full and under the protection of health improves, and the people are shot.
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    3. dSK
      dSK 20 February 2021 16: 01
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Volodymyr Zelenskyy is not going to fulfill his election promises about ending the war in Donbass.

      Is Russia going to recognize Donbass as sovereign? And within what limits?
      If in the existing ones, there remains a "wedge" driven into Russia almost to Rostov. (I even had to move the section of the Moscow - Rostov railway to the east) ...
      1. businessv
        businessv 20 February 2021 16: 42
        +2
        Quote: dsk
        Is Russia going to recognize Donbass as sovereign? And within what limits?
        So this is the main question! The existing option does not suit either the people in the LPR or Russia due to the low viability of the republics due to many factors, including territorial ones.
      2. Eldorado
        Eldorado 20 February 2021 16: 54
        -5
        Russia will not recognize Donbass, this will make it difficult for it to become part of the Russian Federation.
      3. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus 20 February 2021 17: 16
        +2
        Is Russia going to recognize Donbass as sovereign? And within what limits?
        no, not going to and never even thought. Do you seriously think this is a cunning plan? If the Russian Federation could and wanted to do this, it would have done it a long time ago.
    4. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 20 February 2021 16: 01
      -4
      Quote: iouris
      then the end is rapidly approaching.

      What's so simpler, declare war on Russia and calmly wait for our tanks on Khreshchatyk
      1. ANB
        ANB 20 February 2021 16: 09
        0
        ... calmly wait for our tanks on Khreshchatyk

        What should they do there?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 20 February 2021 16: 13
          +1
          Quote: ANB
          What should they do there?

          Who?
          1. dSK
            dSK 20 February 2021 16: 21
            +2
            The army of the Donetsk People's Republic razed the firing points of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the ground. For the first time after the start of the massive shelling, Gorlovka can breathe out calmly. (tsargrad.tv / 20.02.2021.)
          2. ANB
            ANB 20 February 2021 16: 53
            +1
            ... Who?

            Our tanks.
            Either limousines will come there with the new government.
            Or .... tanks have nothing to do in the ashes either.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 20 February 2021 17: 00
              +3
              Quote: ANB
              tanks also have nothing to do on the ashes.

              Well, why just the ashes.
              Kuev is a beautiful city. Don't burn it
              When the tanks approach, the Banderlog will scatter, and the locals will not leave the house
              Or maybe it will happen in Odessa during the Second World War
              1. ANB
                ANB 20 February 2021 17: 03
                +1
                ... Well, why just the ashes.
                Kuev is a beautiful city. Don't burn it
                When the tanks approach, the Banderlog will scatter, and the locals will not leave the house

                Then option number 1.With limousines. :)
                However, the choice will be for the people of Kiev.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 20 February 2021 17: 05
                  0
                  Quote: ANB
                  However, the choice will be for the people of Kiev.

                  Well, I do not. At the age of 14 they have already chosen.
                  Two years ago they also chose
                  1. ANB
                    ANB 20 February 2021 17: 11
                    +1
                    ... Well, I do not. At the age of 14 they have already chosen.
                    Two years ago they also chose

                    Well, here it is no longer the president will have to be elected.
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 20 February 2021 17: 15
                      -2
                      Quote: ANB
                      Well, here it is no longer the president will have to be elected.

                      Oh, yes, let at least the emperor, at least the leader of the tribe be chosen, if only they would not come to us again
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 21 February 2021 12: 20
                +20
                Quote: Lipchanin
                When the tanks approach, the Banderlog will scatter, and the locals will not leave the house

                D-ah-ah! No comment
      2. businessv
        businessv 20 February 2021 16: 44
        +1
        Quote: Lipchanin
        What's so simpler, declare war on Russia and calmly wait for our tanks on Khreshchatyk
        So today, unlike 2014, fortified areas have been built, which will make it very difficult for our armored vehicles and troops to pass!
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 20 February 2021 16: 50
          -1
          Quote: businessv
          triennels fortified areas

          So we have artillery, aviation.
          In Syria, the barmaley in the dungeons are destroyed
          Yesterday at the Zvezda they showed how the Solntsepeki work at the exercises.
          Impressive
          1. businessv
            businessv 20 February 2021 17: 00
            +4
            Quote: Lipchanin
            So we have artillery, aviation.

            Everything is so, if it were not for the civilian population, which will suffer, and even with little blood, today it will not work, unfortunately. But the more time passes, the less hope that at least something will happen.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 20 February 2021 17: 08
              0
              Quote: businessv
              Everything is so, if not for the civilian population that will suffer,

              Well, if the fortified area is in the place where the inhabitants live, bypass it and let the special forces clean it.
              Others destroy a safe distance.
              Yes, all our generals know and probably worked out in the exercises
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 21 February 2021 12: 15
                +19
                Quote: Lipchanin
                and let the special forces clean up.
                Others destroy a safe distance.
                Yes, all our generals know and probably worked out in the exercises

                In other words, are you for a real open war with Ukraine?
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 21 February 2021 12: 16
            +21
            Quote: Lipchanin
            So we have artillery, aviation.
            In Syria, the barmaley in the dungeons are destroyed
            Yesterday at the Zvezda they showed how the Solntsepeki work at the exercises.
            Impressive

            Are you preparing an invasion of a foreign country? Relying on bread and salt? - In vain. There will be no second Crimea
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 21 February 2021 12: 18
          +19
          Quote: businessv
          which will make it very difficult to pass our armored vehicles and troops!

          "ours" - whose? If it is Russian, then in the same way NATO can send its troops and any dead NATO means the possibility of a full-scale war. Can you imagine the consequences?
          1. businessv
            businessv 22 February 2021 01: 21
            0
            Quote: Overlock
            If it is Russian, then in the same way NATO can send its troops and any dead NATO means the possibility of a full-scale war. Can you imagine the consequences?

            Formally, in the case under discussion, we are protecting the citizens of Russia, of whom there are about 200 thousand in the LPNR. And who does NATO intend to defend in the Independent? Your proxies - citizens? They are not fools at all, especially when it comes to them personally, so they will definitely not go into a war with a nuclear power!
    5. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 20 February 2021 16: 51
      -1
      Quote: iouris
      This is very similar, if not the end, then the rapid approach of the end.

      I have the same feeling. There are a lot of signs of preparation for an attack that do not look like routine actions. NATO members will participate unofficially without fail. Calculation for lightning-fast blitzkrieg with instant screams and demands to stop at captured positions. Purpose - allbut agree to part too. The beginning is possible at any time, but, most likely, the end of April - May.
      1. businessv
        businessv 20 February 2021 17: 13
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
        The goal is everything, but we also agree to a part. The beginning is possible at any time, but, most likely, the end of April - May.

        You can blame the leadership of the Square for anything, but not for suicidal tendencies. They certainly did not forget the promises of the GDP about the loss of their statehood in the case you indicated, but by doing so it gave iron confidence to our "partners" in which case Russia will enter the database on foreign territory.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 20 February 2021 17: 25
          +1
          You don't understand two things:
          1. The leadership of the Square has nothing to do with it: the Americans decided it. And under the guise of the Armed Forces there will be many NATO members.
          2. A powerful and short-term strike is planned, after which - shouts to the whole world of the entire West about the world with accusations militias and Russia in war, lack of peacefulness! The calculation that Russia will not have time.
          The next month will show whether it is possible for the Americans to implement this plan.
          1. businessv
            businessv 20 February 2021 23: 29
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            You don't understand two things:
            1. The leadership of the Square has nothing to do with it: the Americans decided it. And under the guise of the Armed Forces there will be many NATO members.

            As a matter of fact, I wrote about this. smile Everything is clear even to a child from the time of the Maidan. Potroshenko and Co merged the country with mattresses, therefore the rhetoric has been appropriate since that time. As for the DB, only a very big optimist can hope for success, even short-term, in this situation. I think that our General Staff already has corresponding plans for the plans discussed by the "partners" wink ... As a result, the entire territories of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions will come under the control of the LPNR, which will be beneficial for the LPR citizens in the first place.
            And under the guise of the Armed Forces there will be many NATO members.
            Do you seriously think that the tin soldiers of NATy will openly fight on the side of the Square and will not wash off at the first nix (boiler)? laughing
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 21 February 2021 12: 14
              0
              I am FULLY convinced that the General Staff has worked out several options for the development of events and the corresponding preparation has been carried out. Which, for sure, is guessed by the enemy's General Staff. Only if the enemy were reasonable, and not infinitely arrogant, then there would be no conflicts with wars.

              Why do I think there will be an offensive soon? The puppy is in such a state that it will soon inevitably die. It makes sense to try to prolong existence with a decisive blow or use it well for the last time. But this is not the main thing, the reasons are more impressive. The main thing is the outlined smooth departure of Europe from the influence of the hegemon because of the SP-2. With one blow, you can solve a lot in any outcome, sharply intensify the delimitation and confrontation.

              I think there are NATO members in Donbass even now, they operate quietly and without noise. When struck in key places in limited quantities, they will be just as quiet and unnoticeable. And not tin soldiers, but specialists, leaders.

              These are mine assumptions... Whether they are correct will become clear in a month.
              1. businessv
                businessv 22 February 2021 01: 04
                0
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                I think there are NATO members in Donbass even now, they operate quietly and without noise. When struck in key places in limited quantities, they will be just as quiet and unnoticeable. And not tin soldiers, but specialists, leaders.
                This is no secret, but you can contact Insurgent for clarifications. Leaders - commanders do not go into battle, that's why I wrote that smile I always wrote a phrase that was not invented by me that the Americans are ready to fight in the Independent until the last Ukrainian, I completely agree with this statement!
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 21 February 2021 12: 13
          +20
          Quote: businessv
          ... They certainly did not forget the promises of the GDP about the loss of their statehood in the case you indicated, but by doing so it gave iron confidence to our "partners" in which case Russia will enter the database on foreign territory.

          And what is in return? The oil embargo the US has already warned about? Recognition by the UN as an aggressor country? Do not calculate all the risks of intrusion into the territory of a foreign state
          1. businessv
            businessv 22 February 2021 01: 15
            0
            Quote: Overlock
            Do not calculate all the risks of intrusion into the territory of a foreign state
            Not a question for me, the phrase was spoken by our President! And then, we are the only country that can exist in an autonomous mode due to the fact that we have everything for a happy life! smile If our leaders thought so, everything would be great! But they sometimes live over the hill, and their families are there all the time, so something needs to be done about it! wink What I mean is that we (or rather those who cannot live without the West) pay too much attention to them and constantly want them to consider us their own! This will never happen. China did not pay attention to anyone - the result is obvious! smile
    6. 210ox
      210ox 20 February 2021 18: 23
      +1
      Approaching the end without end ... Something like that.
    7. zloybond
      zloybond 20 February 2021 22: 41
      +1
      It's okay. The people will tolerate bombing. The main thing is that Yanukovych is here, warm and protected. Although he could be with his people. At least he could lead the movement of the people for liberation in Donbas. Well, as they say, he is warmer.
  2. Cron
    Cron 20 February 2021 15: 23
    +3
    Reportedly, in connection with “the increased activity of the enemy”, a “secret decision” was made on the issues of actions in the JFO zone, in the Donbas.

    In connection with the increasing discontent of the population, a "secret decision" was made on the disposal of especially violent ones in the next boilers
  3. askort154
    askort154 20 February 2021 15: 25
    +3
    The secret is that the meeting was chaired by the US Ambassador to Ukraine.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 February 2021 15: 29
      +2
      Quote: askort154
      The secret is that the meeting was chaired by the US Ambassador to Ukraine.

      Who is the boss in the house, he heads the wedding, or commemoration.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 20 February 2021 15: 47
        -1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        he heads the wedding, or commemoration.

        Toastmaster is called lol
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 20 February 2021 16: 30
          +2
          Toastmaster there is Zelensky, and this is the owner.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 20 February 2021 16: 37
            +3
            Quote: Captive
            Toastmaster there Zelensky,

            He is not a toastmaster. He's a clown puppet
  4. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 February 2021 15: 27
    +4
    It is no longer a secret to anyone that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is not going to fulfill his election promises to end the war in Donbass.

    Well, not for that Zelensky was appointed president so that he would fulfill his promises.
  5. Mouse
    Mouse 20 February 2021 15: 31
    +6
    NSDC Secretary Aleksey Danilov raised the issue of aggravation of the situation in Donbass.

    "Big secret" for little ...
    For a small company like this,
    For a modest such company
    Such a huge "secret!" .........
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 20 February 2021 15: 51
      -4
      Quote: Mouse
      Such a huge "secret!" .........

  6. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 20 February 2021 15: 34
    +2
    A large-scale offensive is planned to the borders with the Russian Federation. It will be in the spring and summer, as the earth dries up. They will use both aviation and artillery and bayraktar to the fullest. There will also be foreign mercenaries in the form of special forces.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 20 February 2021 15: 47
      +17
      Quote: mojohed2012
      A large-scale offensive is planned to the borders with the Russian Federation.

      It may very well be. They will try to solve 2 problems:
      1.return territories
      2. to drag Russia into the war.
      Quote: mojohed2012
      There will also be foreign mercenaries in the form of special forces.

      They have been there for a long time. There are a lot of Turks lately.
      1. silverura
        silverura 20 February 2021 15: 53
        +3
        They have been there for a long time. There are a lot of Turks lately.


        Yesterday, the departure of four aircraft with NATO special forces was marked.
        As it is all vague ... ( No.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 20 February 2021 15: 52
      -1
      Quote: mojohed2012
      and aviation

      More precisely, its remains
    3. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 20 February 2021 16: 07
      +3
      Quote: mojohed2012
      A large-scale offensive is planned to the borders with the Russian Federation

      yes, there will not be any large-scale offensive, there will be shelling and the occupation of gray zones, the question is how will they react to this in the republics ...
    4. ximkim
      ximkim 20 February 2021 16: 39
      0
      Yes, there will still be offensive. They have not enough equipment for this (tanks do not count). When European partners will help them with equipment or give a loan to purchase equipment (UAVs and systems for mine clearance). again .. everyone probably remembers that when the Armed Forces used the Air Force in the Donbass, Europe dramatically lost hearing and sight, which means that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will begin an offensive in Donbas in the first snow and frost. Perhaps they will begin to strike with the help of an UAV at boiler houses, TP and CHP. Now, are Donetsk and Lugansk ready for such a development of events?
    5. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 20 February 2021 17: 00
      +1
      A large-scale offensive is planned to the borders with the Russian Federation. ....... would be what .... this is what ...
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 20 February 2021 17: 11
        +2
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        A large-scale offensive is planned to the borders with the Russian Federation

        Nah, they have a single copy for parades)))
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 20 February 2021 17: 34
          0
          Nah, they have a single copy for parades))) ......... Duc they have parades with military equipment for a long time, so. dummies will be rolled out about the occasion of some next perremog and that's all ..... the hammer and only ..... in short, full ..
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 20 February 2021 18: 29
            -1
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            ..yk they have no parades with military equipment for a long time,

            I only remember when, after the Buk parade, I crashed into the house laughing
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 20 February 2021 15: 37
    +1
    What information is fluid .... leaked)))
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 20 February 2021 15: 54
      +2
      Quote: Alien From
      What information is fluid .... leaked)))

      the water in the priest does not hold ... wink
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 20 February 2021 15: 57
        +1
        Quote: Mouse
        water in the priest does not hold ...

        Like plumbing they go to Europe, but they can't score a chop lol
        1. silverura
          silverura 20 February 2021 16: 02
          -8
          Like plumbing they go to Europe, but they can't score a chypik lol

          Not to offend you in any way, but they deserve the nomination of an expert on the issue of Ukraine. No offense drinks
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 20 February 2021 16: 06
            -1
            Quote: silverura
            but nomination

            What other nomination?
            What other question?
            1. silverura
              silverura 20 February 2021 16: 17
              -3
              What other nomination?
              What other question?

              If not an article, so is your caricature nonsense and analyst.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 20 February 2021 16: 33
                -1
                Quote: silverura
                If not an article, so is your caricature nonsense and analyst.

                Clear
                And that's why ADEQUATE members of the forum are plus, and the locusts are running after my comments on all branches and minus?
                Look, two are like bloodsucking mosquitoes.
                But I am grateful that you are watching my work.
                Probably write a book about me soon?
                Don't give an autograph?
        2. Russ
          Russ 20 February 2021 16: 15
          +3
          but they can't score a chop

          So they don’t think about trifles ... they don’t plan to plan and dig the seas! wassat
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 20 February 2021 16: 34
            0
            Quote: Russia
            do not plan chopiks, dig the seas!

            And pour mountains
            And to invent wheels
            1. cniza
              cniza 20 February 2021 16: 49
              +2
              Somehow you think little about them, they are all from Adam ... lol hi
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 20 February 2021 16: 53
                0
                Quote: cniza
                As you think little about them, they are all from Adam.

                Controversial. Georgians were the first to stake out Adam lol
                1. cniza
                  cniza 20 February 2021 16: 55
                  +2
                  Apparently I missed, we would play this card between them ...
                2. Russ
                  Russ 20 February 2021 17: 01
                  +2
                  Georgians were the first to stake out Adam

                  Kyrgyz! laughing Adam for snapping up !!! laughing
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 20 February 2021 17: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Russia
                    Adam for snapping up !!!

                    But Eve seems to be of no use to anyone recourse lol
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 20 February 2021 15: 56
      +1
      Quote: Alien From
      What information is fluid .... leaked)))

      So they deliberately "leaked" in the hope that GDP will be scared.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 20 February 2021 17: 16
        0
        in the hope that the GDP will be scared .... The GDP was not even scared of the shisyan's cowards. What is there to talk about the burnt pampers of the Ilovaisk and Debaltsevo boilers ..... the pockets are leaking and are leaking
  8. gridasov
    gridasov 20 February 2021 15: 55
    +2
    you don't have to worry about their secrets. People with potentially low intellectual abilities are not capable of such deep reasoning that it could not be predicted. They think about how to get involved in opposition. But they don't think about all the aspects that can lead to the goal. Obviously, they have no idea what algorithms are as stages of a process that can lead to the desired result.
    1. Titus_2
      Titus_2 20 February 2021 18: 43
      +1
      For a long time I have not read your comments .... zabeskoilsya. True, I did not expect that on this topic check in.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 20 February 2021 20: 07
        0
        In Ukraine, it is very dangerous to position oneself on the part of the opposition or simply reasoning that does not coincide with the opponent. Even at the beginning of the formation of Ukraine as a post-Soviet state, it was obvious that people who are physiologically maturing in a frankly not normal environment, I cannot imagine a healthy base of a new generation
        I mentioned this and it is obvious now. The authorities are simply not professionals and Zto has as some positive side for people's lives, but of course it is a shame for the state. I mean, the state in which I was born collapsed.
  9. evgen1221
    evgen1221 20 February 2021 16: 01
    +1
    Secret? In stolen? Well, this is fixable! It is enough for an official to ask him to pay for the citizenship of a tse ameriga with the provision of a sheriff's place in some town and everything becomes magical, completely unclassified! Read the classics of literature — The Trust That Burst.
  10. kit88
    kit88 20 February 2021 16: 13
    +7
    Katz offered to surrender?
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 20 February 2021 16: 17
    0
    What secrecy, in the morning looking at the phone, damn again drunk relatives, classmates at night called Russia. drinks
  12. cniza
    cniza 20 February 2021 16: 47
    +2
    It is no longer a secret to anyone that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is not going to fulfill his election promises to end the war in Donbass.


    Even if he did, he turned out to be incapable ...
  13. svoit
    svoit 20 February 2021 16: 48
    +1
    from the positions of the 503rd separate battalion of marines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    Are the Tatars having fun? like they decided to enroll in the Marines, so that they would not be buzzed?
  14. Bow
    Bow 20 February 2021 16: 53
    +1
    The fact that Zelensky would do what he was told, and not what he told the voters - was not a secret for anyone from the very beginning. As well as the fact that our "partners" sleep and see the war with the Russian hands of the Russians from the outskirts.
    The position of "president" in modern Ukraine (as well as all their "vlada") is just a kind of interface for our "partners", ensuring the use of the population of this territory for their own purposes.
    But are we doing something to turn the tide?
  15. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 20 February 2021 17: 11
    -2
    It is no longer a secret to anyone that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is not going to fulfill his election promises to end the war in Donbass.

    Well, what about me? I am not a citizen of Ukraine, to groan that he did not fulfill his promises.
    But seriously, no one will aggravate anything, let alone liberate anything, at least until they build up a powerful group of bayraktars to repeat the Karabakh scenario. So while you can sleep well, and then it will be seen
    1. Bow
      Bow 20 February 2021 17: 27
      +1
      Quote: Bshkaus

      Well, what about me?

      Well, you, for some reason, went to the topic and, moreover, wrote a comment. So what do you care?
  16. Growlers
    Growlers 20 February 2021 17: 24
    +3
    At a meeting of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, a "secret American decision" was adopted on actions in the Donbas
    1. silverura
      silverura 20 February 2021 17: 35
      -6
      NSDC of Ukraine adopted a "secret American decision"

      Correctly noticed. You +
      At least someone is fulfilling his duties after Ukraine has given up nuclear weapons - the signed "Budapest Memorandum".
      1. Growlers
        Growlers 20 February 2021 18: 12
        +6
        Memorandum (English memorandum) in international or economic relations - a diplomatic document, usually handed personally to a representative of another country (company, corporation) or attached to a diplomatic note, which details the factual side of the issue of interest to both parties, provides an analysis of certain provisions, provides justification of the position of the state. With regard to the Budapest Memorandum, it was a statement of intent, nothing more. Incidentally, not ratified by any country, including Ukraine. And what about "responsibilities" are we talking
        1. silverura
          silverura 20 February 2021 18: 43
          -5
          then it was a statement of intent, nothing more.

          Even so, the consequences are what you wrote above:
          "Secret American solution"

          yes
          1. Growlers
            Growlers 21 February 2021 17: 13
            +1
            Colonial administrations are created in order to fulfill the will of the metropolis ...
            According to a survey conducted by the Ukrainian Institute for the Future (UIF), 65% of Ukrainians agree with the thesis that “we (Ukraine) are under external control,” while 22% of Ukrainians do not agree. At the same time, in the eastern and southern regions, 75% and 71% agree with the thesis “Ukraine is under external control”, respectively, but even in Kiev and in the western regions the majority agree with this thesis (55% and 56%, respectively).
            1. silverura
              silverura 21 February 2021 18: 49
              0
              At the same time, in the eastern and southern regions, 75% and 71% agree with the thesis “Ukraine is under external control”, respectively, but even in Kiev and in the western regions the majority agree with this thesis (55% and 56%, respectively).

              Well this is understandable!
              So the question is that under the external control of the Russian Federation it became not very comfortable, and the people were outraged! We felt that it smelled like a stall, something was amiss. Where is Viktor Fedorovich now and others? They would transfer him to Ukraine, he would tell a lot of interesting things yes
              1. Growlers
                Growlers 22 February 2021 12: 52
                +2
                I don’t know. Are you so naive or .... sorry not very smart. According to CIA reports to the US Congress. in Ukraine, the economy really grew under two presidents, they are Kuchma and Yanukovych. What unites these two individuals? The fact that both actually managed enterprises and administrative units, that is, they had experience and, accordingly, a management team. The same Yanukovych (for all his shortcomings) really saw all the "charms" of the Euro-association .... As a result of the rejection of this, he received a coup paid for and organized by the US and the EU. Ukraine received external control and an organized planned destruction of the economy. All your babbling about "RF's external management" is a low-quality agitation from the State Department and the Ragul agitprop. There was no such external control even during the Soviet era .... The Ukrainian SSR had more independence than the current colonial Ukraine.
                1. silverura
                  silverura 22 February 2021 18: 19
                  0
                  I don’t know. Are you so naive or .... sorry not very smart. According to CIA reports to the US Congress. in Ukraine, the economy really grew under two presidents, these are Kuchma and Yanukovych

                  If there were no misfortune, it would help happiness!
                  Everything was so good, not like a fairy tale. The consequence of the rapid development of the economy is two Maidans.
                  Not all bread ....,) yes
  17. yfast
    yfast 20 February 2021 18: 54
    +2
    Ukraine has never seen such a green liar. And continues to play horseradish on the piano.
  18. sir Galant
    sir Galant 20 February 2021 20: 47
    -2
    National Security Council of Ukraine, is it a humor club Zelensokgo?
  19. businessv
    businessv 20 February 2021 23: 09
    -1
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Yes, all our generals know and probably worked out in the exercises
    This is indisputable, but I mean what could have been done before, safer and much more efficiently!