At the meeting of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, a "secret decision" was made on the issues of actions in Donbass

A meeting of the National Security and Defense Council was held in Ukraine, which was called secret. But, despite the declared secrecy, certain information still leaked to the media.

Thus, it is reported that NSDC Secretary Alexei Danilov raised the topic of the exacerbation of the situation in Donbass. Reportedly, in connection with “the increased activity of the enemy”, a “secret decision” was made on the issues of actions in the JFO zone, in the Donbass. Recall that the JFO is an operation of the so-called joint forces.

Danilov, answering a question from journalists, said that he could not detail the details of the decisions made because of "their secrecy."

It is known that during the meeting of the National Security and Defense Council under the President of Ukraine, reports were heard by the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ruslan Khomchak, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate, Colonel Kirill Budanov, and the head of the foreign intelligence service, Lieutenant General Valery Kondratyuk.

As reported, they reported to the President on the operational situation in the JFO zone, named the most difficult areas along the contact line.

Aleksey Danilov once again emphasized that commanders on the ground were given the right to issue orders "for return fire to kill" without consulting the higher command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

At the meeting of the NSDC, it was announced that the situation in Donbass was aggravating, while the Ukrainian side traditionally places full responsibility for this aggravation on the DPR people's militia.

Meanwhile, the DPR confirmed the fact of the loss of their serviceman. It is noted that he was wounded, incompatible with life, near Gorlovka. The DPR NM command notes that the Ukrainian side opened mortar fire on the area of ​​the Gagarin mine settlement. The fire was carried out by the Ukrainian military from the positions of the 503rd separate battalion of marines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

It is no longer a secret to anyone that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is not going to fulfill his election promises to end the war in Donbass.

Comments

[iouris]

This is very similar, if not the end, then the rapid approach of the end.

[Hlavaty]

Oh, don't rush. There, such masters portray a stormy activity to knock out loans from sponsors.
For example, the IMF did not give money the other day. And then there was a "secret solution". Coincidence?...

[Eldorado]

So the IMF said that it would give money only after the "Secret Decision".

[fruc]

A meeting of the National Security and Defense Council was held in Ukraine, which was called secret.

Their secrets are already being discussed with might and main in eateries and on deliveries. They killed me.

[zloybond]

Well, they've built up a million army. At the same time, we in the Russian Federation observed and fed Ukraine with coal, fuel, and electricity. Everyone was waiting for when they would finally saturate the army with combat-ready troops and weapons in order to start crushing the population of Donbas. Instead, it was necessary to send a warm Yanukovych to Donbas to raise the people. Ato here he is full and under the protection of health improves, and the people are shot.

[dSK]

Quote: iouris

Volodymyr Zelenskyy is not going to fulfill his election promises about ending the war in Donbass.

Is Russia going to recognize Donbass as sovereign? And within what limits?
If in the existing ones, there remains a "wedge" driven into Russia almost to Rostov. (I even had to move the section of the Moscow - Rostov railway to the east) ...

[businessv]

Quote from dsk

Is Russia going to recognize Donbass as sovereign? And within what limits?

So this is the main question! The existing option does not suit either the people in the LPR or Russia due to the low viability of the republics due to many factors, including territorial ones.

[Eldorado]

Russia will not recognize Donbass, this will make it difficult for it to become part of the Russian Federation.

[Bshkaus]

Is Russia going to recognize Donbass as sovereign? And within what limits?

no, not going to and never even thought. Do you seriously think this is a cunning plan? If the Russian Federation could and wanted to do this, it would have done it a long time ago.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: iouris

then the end is rapidly approaching.

What's so simpler, declare war on Russia and calmly wait for our tanks on Khreshchatyk

[ANB]

... calmly wait for our tanks on Khreshchatyk

What should they do there?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ANB

What should they do there?

Who?

[dSK]

The army of the Donetsk People's Republic razed the firing points of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the ground. For the first time after the start of the massive shelling, Gorlovka can breathe out calmly. (tsargrad.tv / 20.02.2021.)

[ANB]

... Who?

Our tanks.
Either limousines will come there with the new government.
Or .... tanks have nothing to do in the ashes either.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ANB

tanks also have nothing to do on the ashes.

Well, why just the ashes.
Kuev is a beautiful city. Don't burn it
When the tanks approach, the Banderlog will scatter, and the locals will not leave the house
Or maybe it will happen in Odessa during the Second World War

[ANB]

... Well, why just the ashes.
Kuev is a beautiful city. Don't burn it
When the tanks approach, the Banderlog will scatter, and the locals will not leave the house

Then option number 1.With limousines. :)
However, the choice will be for the people of Kiev.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ANB

However, the choice will be for the people of Kiev.

Well, I do not. At the age of 14 they have already chosen.
Two years ago they also chose

[ANB]

... Well, I do not. At the age of 14 they have already chosen.
Two years ago they also chose

Well, here it is no longer the president will have to be elected.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ANB

Well, here it is no longer the president will have to be elected.

Oh, yes, let at least the emperor, at least the leader of the tribe be chosen, if only they would not come to us again

[Overlock]

Quote: Lipchanin

When the tanks approach, the Banderlog will scatter, and the locals will not leave the house

D-ah-ah! No comment

[businessv]

Quote: Lipchanin

What's so simpler, declare war on Russia and calmly wait for our tanks on Khreshchatyk

So today, unlike 2014, fortified areas have been built, which will make it very difficult for our armored vehicles and troops to pass!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: businessv

triennels fortified areas

So we have artillery, aviation.
In Syria, the barmaley in the dungeons are destroyed
Yesterday at the Zvezda they showed how the Solntsepeki work at the exercises.
Impressive

[businessv]

Quote: Lipchanin

So we have artillery, aviation.

Everything is so, if it were not for the civilian population, which will suffer, and even with little blood, today it will not work, unfortunately. But the more time passes, the less hope that at least something will happen.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: businessv

Everything is so, if not for the civilian population that will suffer,

Well, if the fortified area is in the place where the inhabitants live, bypass it and let the special forces clean it.
Others destroy a safe distance.
Yes, all our generals know and probably worked out in the exercises

[Overlock]

Quote: Lipchanin

and let the special forces clean up.
Others destroy a safe distance.
Yes, all our generals know and probably worked out in the exercises

In other words, are you for a real open war with Ukraine?

[Overlock]

Quote: Lipchanin

So we have artillery, aviation.
In Syria, the barmaley in the dungeons are destroyed
Yesterday at the Zvezda they showed how the Solntsepeki work at the exercises.
Impressive

Are you preparing an invasion of a foreign country? Relying on bread and salt? - In vain. There will be no second Crimea

[Overlock]

Quote: businessv

which will make it very difficult to pass our armored vehicles and troops!

"ours" - whose? If it is Russian, then in the same way NATO can send its troops and any dead NATO means the possibility of a full-scale war. Can you imagine the consequences?

[businessv]

Quote: Overlock

If it is Russian, then in the same way NATO can send its troops and any dead NATO means the possibility of a full-scale war. Can you imagine the consequences?

Formally, in the case under discussion, we are protecting the citizens of Russia, of whom there are about 200 thousand in the LPNR. And who does NATO intend to defend in the Independent? Your proxies - citizens? They are not fools at all, especially when it comes to them personally, so they will definitely not go into a war with a nuclear power!

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: iouris

This is very similar, if not the end, then the rapid approach of the end.

I have the same feeling. There are a lot of signs of preparation for an attack that do not look like routine actions. NATO members will participate unofficially without fail. Calculation for lightning-fast blitzkrieg with instant screams and demands to stop at captured positions. Purpose - allbut agree to part too. The beginning is possible at any time, but, most likely, the end of April - May.

[businessv]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

The goal is everything, but we also agree to a part. The beginning is possible at any time, but, most likely, the end of April - May.

You can blame the leadership of the Square for anything, but not for suicidal tendencies. They certainly did not forget the promises of the GDP about the loss of their statehood in the case you indicated, but by doing so it gave iron confidence to our "partners" in which case Russia will enter the database on foreign territory.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

You don't understand two things:
1. The leadership of the Square has nothing to do with it: the Americans decided it. And under the guise of the Armed Forces there will be many NATO members.
2. A powerful and short-term strike is planned, after which - shouts to the whole world of the entire West about the world with accusations militias and Russia in war, lack of peacefulness! The calculation that Russia will not have time.
The next month will show whether it is possible for the Americans to implement this plan.

[businessv]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

You don't understand two things:
1. The leadership of the Square has nothing to do with it: the Americans decided it. And under the guise of the Armed Forces there will be many NATO members.

As a matter of fact, I wrote about this. Everything is clear even to a child from the time of the Maidan. Potroshenko and Co merged the country with mattresses, therefore the rhetoric has been appropriate since that time. As for the DB, only a very big optimist can hope for success, even short-term, in this situation. I think that our General Staff already has corresponding plans for the plans discussed by the "partners" ... As a result, the entire territories of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions will come under the control of the LPNR, which will be beneficial for the LPR citizens in the first place.

And under the guise of the Armed Forces there will be many NATO members.

Do you seriously think that the tin soldiers of NATy will openly fight on the side of the Square and will not wash off at the first nix (boiler)?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

I am FULLY convinced that the General Staff has worked out several options for the development of events and the corresponding preparation has been carried out. Which, for sure, is guessed by the enemy's General Staff. Only if the enemy were reasonable, and not infinitely arrogant, then there would be no conflicts with wars.

Why do I think there will be an offensive soon? The puppy is in such a state that it will soon inevitably die. It makes sense to try to prolong existence with a decisive blow or use it well for the last time. But this is not the main thing, the reasons are more impressive. The main thing is the outlined smooth departure of Europe from the influence of the hegemon because of the SP-2. With one blow, you can solve a lot in any outcome, sharply intensify the delimitation and confrontation.

I think there are NATO members in Donbass even now, they operate quietly and without noise. When struck in key places in limited quantities, they will be just as quiet and unnoticeable. And not tin soldiers, but specialists, leaders.

These are mine assumptions... Whether they are correct will become clear in a month.

[businessv]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

I think there are NATO members in Donbass even now, they operate quietly and without noise. When struck in key places in limited quantities, they will be just as quiet and unnoticeable. And not tin soldiers, but specialists, leaders.

This is no secret, but you can contact Insurgent for clarifications. Leaders - commanders do not go into battle, that's why I wrote that I always wrote a phrase that was not invented by me that the Americans are ready to fight in the Independent until the last Ukrainian, I completely agree with this statement!

[Overlock]

Quote: businessv

... They certainly did not forget the promises of the GDP about the loss of their statehood in the case you indicated, but by doing so it gave iron confidence to our "partners" in which case Russia will enter the database on foreign territory.

And what is in return? The oil embargo the US has already warned about? Recognition by the UN as an aggressor country? Do not calculate all the risks of intrusion into the territory of a foreign state

[businessv]

Quote: Overlock

Do not calculate all the risks of intrusion into the territory of a foreign state

Not a question for me, the phrase was spoken by our President! And then, we are the only country that can exist in an autonomous mode due to the fact that we have everything for a happy life! If our leaders thought so, everything would be great! But they sometimes live over the hill, and their families are there all the time, so something needs to be done about it! What I mean is that we (or rather those who cannot live without the West) pay too much attention to them and constantly want them to consider us their own! This will never happen. China did not pay attention to anyone - the result is obvious!

[210ox]

Approaching the end without end ... Something like that.

[zloybond]

It's okay. The people will tolerate bombing. The main thing is that Yanukovych is here, warm and protected. Although he could be with his people. At least he could lead the movement of the people for liberation in Donbas. Well, as they say, he is warmer.

[Cron]

Reportedly, in connection with “the increased activity of the enemy”, a “secret decision” was made on the issues of actions in the JFO zone, in the Donbas.

In connection with the increasing discontent of the population, a "secret decision" was made on the disposal of especially violent ones in the next boilers

[askort154]

The secret is that the meeting was chaired by the US Ambassador to Ukraine.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: askort154

The secret is that the meeting was chaired by the US Ambassador to Ukraine.

Who is the boss in the house, he heads the wedding, or commemoration.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

he heads the wedding, or commemoration.

Toastmaster is called

[Prisoner]

Toastmaster there is Zelensky, and this is the owner.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Captive

Toastmaster there Zelensky,

He is not a toastmaster. He's a clown puppet

[tihonmarine]

It is no longer a secret to anyone that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is not going to fulfill his election promises to end the war in Donbass.

Well, not for that Zelensky was appointed president so that he would fulfill his promises.

[Mouse]

NSDC Secretary Aleksey Danilov raised the issue of aggravation of the situation in Donbass.

"Big secret" for little ...
For a small company like this,
For a modest such company
Such a huge "secret!" .........

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mouse

Such a huge "secret!" .........

[mojohed2012]

A large-scale offensive is planned to the borders with the Russian Federation. It will be in the spring and summer, as the earth dries up. They will use both aviation and artillery and bayraktar to the fullest. There will also be foreign mercenaries in the form of special forces.

[New Year day]

Quote: mojohed2012

A large-scale offensive is planned to the borders with the Russian Federation.

It may very well be. They will try to solve 2 problems:
1.return territories
2. to drag Russia into the war.

Quote: mojohed2012

There will also be foreign mercenaries in the form of special forces.

They have been there for a long time. There are a lot of Turks lately.

[silverura]

They have been there for a long time. There are a lot of Turks lately.

Yesterday, the departure of four aircraft with NATO special forces was marked.
As it is all vague ... (

[Lipchanin]

Quote: mojohed2012

and aviation

More precisely, its remains

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: mojohed2012

A large-scale offensive is planned to the borders with the Russian Federation

yes, there will not be any large-scale offensive, there will be shelling and the occupation of gray zones, the question is how will they react to this in the republics ...

[ximkim]

Yes, there will still be offensive. They have not enough equipment for this (tanks do not count). When European partners will help them with equipment or give a loan to purchase equipment (UAVs and systems for mine clearance). again .. everyone probably remembers that when the Armed Forces used the Air Force in the Donbass, Europe dramatically lost hearing and sight, which means that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will begin an offensive in Donbas in the first snow and frost. Perhaps they will begin to strike with the help of an UAV at boiler houses, TP and CHP. Now, are Donetsk and Lugansk ready for such a development of events?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

A large-scale offensive is planned to the borders with the Russian Federation. ....... would be what .... this is what ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

A large-scale offensive is planned to the borders with the Russian Federation

Nah, they have a single copy for parades)))

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Nah, they have a single copy for parades))) ......... Duc they have parades with military equipment for a long time, so. dummies will be rolled out about the occasion of some next perremog and that's all ..... the hammer and only ..... in short, full ..

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

..yk they have no parades with military equipment for a long time,

I only remember when, after the Buk parade, I crashed into the house

[Alien From]

What information is fluid .... leaked)))

[Mouse]

Quote: Alien From

What information is fluid .... leaked)))

the water in the priest does not hold ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mouse

water in the priest does not hold ...

Like plumbing they go to Europe, but they can't score a chop

[silverura]

Like plumbing they go to Europe, but they can't score a chypik lol

Not to offend you in any way, but they deserve the nomination of an expert on the issue of Ukraine. No offense

[Lipchanin]

Quote: silverura

but nomination

What other nomination?
What other question?

[silverura]

What other nomination?
What other question?

If not an article, so is your caricature nonsense and analyst.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: silverura

If not an article, so is your caricature nonsense and analyst.

Clear
And that's why ADEQUATE members of the forum are plus, and the locusts are running after my comments on all branches and minus?
Look, two are like bloodsucking mosquitoes.
But I am grateful that you are watching my work.
Probably write a book about me soon?
Don't give an autograph?

[Russ]

but they can't score a chop

So they don’t think about trifles ... they don’t plan to plan and dig the seas!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Russia

do not plan chopiks, dig the seas!

And pour mountains
And to invent wheels

[cniza]

Somehow you think little about them, they are all from Adam ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: cniza

As you think little about them, they are all from Adam.

Controversial. Georgians were the first to stake out Adam

[cniza]

Apparently I missed, we would play this card between them ...

[Russ]

Georgians were the first to stake out Adam

Kyrgyz! Adam for snapping up !!!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Russia

Adam for snapping up !!!

But Eve seems to be of no use to anyone

[Egoza]

Quote: Alien From

What information is fluid .... leaked)))

So they deliberately "leaked" in the hope that GDP will be scared.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

in the hope that the GDP will be scared .... The GDP was not even scared of the shisyan's cowards. What is there to talk about the burnt pampers of the Ilovaisk and Debaltsevo boilers ..... the pockets are leaking and are leaking

[gridasov]

you don't have to worry about their secrets. People with potentially low intellectual abilities are not capable of such deep reasoning that it could not be predicted. They think about how to get involved in opposition. But they don't think about all the aspects that can lead to the goal. Obviously, they have no idea what algorithms are as stages of a process that can lead to the desired result.

[Titus_2]

For a long time I have not read your comments .... zabeskoilsya. True, I did not expect that on this topic check in.

[gridasov]

In Ukraine, it is very dangerous to position oneself on the part of the opposition or simply reasoning that does not coincide with the opponent. Even at the beginning of the formation of Ukraine as a post-Soviet state, it was obvious that people who are physiologically maturing in a frankly not normal environment, I cannot imagine a healthy base of a new generation
I mentioned this and it is obvious now. The authorities are simply not professionals and Zto has as some positive side for people's lives, but of course it is a shame for the state. I mean, the state in which I was born collapsed.

[evgen1221]

Secret? In stolen? Well, this is fixable! It is enough for an official to ask him to pay for the citizenship of a tse ameriga with the provision of a sheriff's place in some town and everything becomes magical, completely unclassified! Read the classics of literature — The Trust That Burst.

[kit88]

Katz offered to surrender?

[tralflot1832]

What secrecy, in the morning looking at the phone, damn again drunk relatives, classmates at night called Russia.

[cniza]

It is no longer a secret to anyone that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is not going to fulfill his election promises to end the war in Donbass.

Even if he did, he turned out to be incapable ...

[svoit]

from the positions of the 503rd separate battalion of marines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Are the Tatars having fun? like they decided to enroll in the Marines, so that they would not be buzzed?

[Bow]

The fact that Zelensky would do what he was told, and not what he told the voters - was not a secret for anyone from the very beginning. As well as the fact that our "partners" sleep and see the war with the Russian hands of the Russians from the outskirts.
The position of "president" in modern Ukraine (as well as all their "vlada") is just a kind of interface for our "partners", ensuring the use of the population of this territory for their own purposes.
But are we doing something to turn the tide?

[Bshkaus]

It is no longer a secret to anyone that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is not going to fulfill his election promises to end the war in Donbass.

Well, what about me? I am not a citizen of Ukraine, to groan that he did not fulfill his promises.
But seriously, no one will aggravate anything, let alone liberate anything, at least until they build up a powerful group of bayraktars to repeat the Karabakh scenario. So while you can sleep well, and then it will be seen

[Bow]

Quote: Bshkaus

Well, what about me?

Well, you, for some reason, went to the topic and, moreover, wrote a comment. So what do you care?

[Growlers]

At a meeting of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, a "secret American decision" was adopted on actions in the Donbas

[silverura]

NSDC of Ukraine adopted a "secret American decision"

Correctly noticed. You +
At least someone is fulfilling his duties after Ukraine has given up nuclear weapons - the signed "Budapest Memorandum".

[Growlers]

Memorandum (English memorandum) in international or economic relations - a diplomatic document, usually handed personally to a representative of another country (company, corporation) or attached to a diplomatic note, which details the factual side of the issue of interest to both parties, provides an analysis of certain provisions, provides justification of the position of the state. With regard to the Budapest Memorandum, it was a statement of intent, nothing more. Incidentally, not ratified by any country, including Ukraine. And what about "responsibilities" are we talking

[silverura]

then it was a statement of intent, nothing more.

Even so, the consequences are what you wrote above:

"Secret American solution"

[Growlers]

Colonial administrations are created in order to fulfill the will of the metropolis ...
According to a survey conducted by the Ukrainian Institute for the Future (UIF), 65% of Ukrainians agree with the thesis that “we (Ukraine) are under external control,” while 22% of Ukrainians do not agree. At the same time, in the eastern and southern regions, 75% and 71% agree with the thesis “Ukraine is under external control”, respectively, but even in Kiev and in the western regions the majority agree with this thesis (55% and 56%, respectively).

[silverura]

At the same time, in the eastern and southern regions, 75% and 71% agree with the thesis “Ukraine is under external control”, respectively, but even in Kiev and in the western regions the majority agree with this thesis (55% and 56%, respectively).

Well this is understandable!
So the question is that under the external control of the Russian Federation it became not very comfortable, and the people were outraged! We felt that it smelled like a stall, something was amiss. Where is Viktor Fedorovich now and others? They would transfer him to Ukraine, he would tell a lot of interesting things

[Growlers]

I don’t know. Are you so naive or .... sorry not very smart. According to CIA reports to the US Congress. in Ukraine, the economy really grew under two presidents, they are Kuchma and Yanukovych. What unites these two individuals? The fact that both actually managed enterprises and administrative units, that is, they had experience and, accordingly, a management team. The same Yanukovych (for all his shortcomings) really saw all the "charms" of the Euro-association .... As a result of the rejection of this, he received a coup paid for and organized by the US and the EU. Ukraine received external control and an organized planned destruction of the economy. All your babbling about "RF's external management" is a low-quality agitation from the State Department and the Ragul agitprop. There was no such external control even during the Soviet era .... The Ukrainian SSR had more independence than the current colonial Ukraine.

[silverura]

I don’t know. Are you so naive or .... sorry not very smart. According to CIA reports to the US Congress. in Ukraine, the economy really grew under two presidents, these are Kuchma and Yanukovych

If there were no misfortune, it would help happiness!
Everything was so good, not like a fairy tale. The consequence of the rapid development of the economy is two Maidans.
Not all bread ....,)

[yfast]

Ukraine has never seen such a green liar. And continues to play horseradish on the piano.

[Sir Galant]

National Security Council of Ukraine, is it a humor club Zelensokgo?

[businessv]

Quote: Lipchanin

Yes, all our generals know and probably worked out in the exercises

This is indisputable, but I mean what could have been done before, safer and much more efficiently!