In the press in India: While the Arjun tank was criticized, orders for imported T-72 and T-90 were in the hundreds

The Indian press released a material that tells about the fate tank "Arjun". The author of the material is the columnist for The Week, R. Prasannan, an expert in the field of defense and military equipment.

The material indicates that in India, from the first days of the creation of the Arjun main battle tank, "there was a lobby that promoted imported tanks, including the Russian T-72 and T-90."

R. Prasannan writes that at the first stage of serial production of the MBT "Arjun", claims were constantly made against the tank:

High-ranking officials almost immediately turned their backs to the tank, after which they began to hear statements about the inaccuracy of the gun, then about the engine overheating during tests in the desert, or about the unstable operation of the fire control system. They also talked about poor suspension, unreliable gunner's sight, etc. And while "Arjun" was criticized, orders for imported T-72 and T-90 were in the hundreds.

According to the Indian observer, so many claims were made against the Arjun tank, including from the generals, that the creator of the MBT M. Natarajan "even burst into tears at the ministry meeting."

The Week points out that the creators of the Arjun tank even tried to install sensors that would allow to objectively record the behavior of the tank in the troops in order to detect whether the military is sabotaging Indian military equipment.

R. Prasannan:

But over time, everything ended well for "Arjun". I hope that today Natarajan is no longer crying, but smiles, since combat vehicles are actively supplied to the troops, and there are no special complaints from the military about them.

Recall that earlier, the Indian armed forces sent Russian-made T-72 and T-90 tanks to the highland region of Ladakh, noting that the Arjun MBT engines cannot cope with operation at altitudes of 4 thousand meters.

Comments

[Terrible_L.]

While the Arjun tank was criticized, orders for imported T-72 and T-90 numbered in the hundreds

earlier, the Indian armed forces sent Russian-made T-72 and T-90 tanks to the high-altitude region of Ladakh, noting that the Arjun MBT engines could not cope with operation at altitudes above 4 thousand meters.

For a good product praises itself!

[Real Pilot]

Weight 68 tons, with a 120 mm cannon, 4 crew members.
It doesn't look very good considering all the technical problems.

But you can use it as a defensive firing point. It is necessary to develop your own design school. I want to distribute budgets.
To glorify the name of the great hero from the Mahabharata and Bhagavad-Gita is patriotic and pious.

So they will buy. Both Arjun and T-90. Especially considering that the T-90 is exported with the transfer of technology and Indian assembly of vehicle kits with partial localization.

[Cowbra]

The mind of the Indians cannot be understood .... He burst into tears. If you don't know how to make a tank better, or even the same - learn! Americans won’t cry, which year have been using the Belgian and German shooters. The Soviet Union produced Maxims and even with the powerful industry of the end of WWII - copied long-range bombers of the United States, no one cried. What is this criterion? You may have to fight on these tanks, and who will cry when an overweight tank gets up?

[prior]

Who would explain to which country, who in the world needs a billion-dollar poverty-stricken India ?!
When and with whom did she fight or is she going to fight?
Well, there were border conflicts with Pakistan.
But why it needs an army with thousands of tanks is difficult to understand.

[Thrifty]

Prior - ask the British, who have exported immeasurable gold and precious stones from India! The people are not rich, but the bowels of India are still full of gold and rare earth elements of the periodic table, and much more. ...

[prior]

The British "flew" from India without the help of tanks.
The USSR was not saved from Western colonization and tens of thousands of tanks.
Is now the time for "Prokhorovka" and battles?
I did not say that the army was not needed, I asked why the Idus with so many tanks did it.

[In-truder]

Whoever does not feed his army in peacetime, then feed someone else's.

[prior]

Imagine that you got India even without a shot. How many officials need to be sent to the one and a half billion India just to control it ?! Do you agree to this? Do you have funds for this? Can you handle such a crowd? Then why conquer it?
Then why do we need thousands of tanks? But India has nuclear weapons.
India is the elusive Joe. Nobody catches him, because nobody needs him nafig.
This was the essence of my post.

[Revolver]

Quote: prior

But why it needs an army with thousands of tanks is difficult to understand.

China.

[Stas157]

Quote: prior

Who would explain which country, who in the world needs a billion poor india?!

In terms of the number of billionaires, India bypasses Russia, and in terms of GDP, too. The well-being of the poor in India is growing, in contrast to Russia. And you look soon will catch up with us. "Fortunately" that the difference is quite small!

[Quadro]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: prior

Who would explain which country, who in the world needs a billion poor india?!

In terms of the number of billionaires, India bypasses Russia, and in terms of GDP, too. The well-being of the poor in India is growing, in contrast to Russia. And you look soon will catch up with us. "Fortunately" that the difference is quite small!

That is, beggars from the untouchable caste and not only, living in huts, shitting right in the center of the city and into the rivers where they wash their clothes - is it like they are catching up with us? God, well, the gifted people here are divorced, one here already flaunted ratings where the Russian Federation is at the level of Mexico in terms of living standards, but no one is bringing something to Mexico, but they just bring it down.

[VORON538]

One of these days, an alternatively gifted person tried to prove to me that Mongolia has already surpassed the Russian Federation in terms of GDP, in terms of development rates, in terms of living standards, and soon they will have paradise and we are such fools and do not want the Maidan as on the outskirts. the guy who ate the blue does not get out the hell knows what YouTube channels, and then he pulls to talk with a hangover. I'm wondering if alcoholism interferes with his normal life or is someone else to blame ???

[carstorm 11]

You see ... when you don't have thousands of tanks, the likelihood that you will be attacked grows at a wild rate. Weapons are now needed not to fight them, but just the opposite. If neighboring China knew that there was no army there, all the disputed territories would long ago have ceded to it, etc.

[Thrifty]

Now the Arjuns will go en masse, and moreover, even Russia will start buying them instead of the Armata in hundreds for the Red, oh, Russian army

[Per se.]

Recall that earlier, the Indian armed forces sent Russian-made T-72 and T-90 tanks to the highland region of Ladakh, noting that the Arjun MBT engines cannot cope with operation at altitudes of 4 thousand meters.

What is surprising, the weight of the tank is 68 tons, the vehicle has poor cross-country ability. In addition, the "Indian" tank conditionally, 70% falls on imported components (in particular, the German engine 1400 hp).

Why did the Indians need such a tank, 120 mm cannon, with 4 crew members, the question is.

[Revolver]

Quote: Per se.

with 4 crew members

The foursome dances allow for richer choreography. Again, more Kama Sutra positions are available for the four members.

[Private-K]

Quote: Per se.

Why did the Indians need such a tank, 120 mm cannon, with 4 crew members, the question is.

Because in parallel there are two general lines of development of tank building. One, conventionally Soviet, is aimed at conventionally medium tanks weighing 38-45 tons, the other is aimed at conventionally heavy tanks weighing 55-70 tons. Both have their supporters with objective and subjective arguments. This is once.
The question of status. India sought to join the ranks of the tank-building powers. Which, again, is both objective and subjective. Objectively, because India is a sufficiently developed state with technological traditions and worthless to be unable to produce modern weapons. Subjectively - the benefit of local officials and businessmen. This is two.
The fact that Arjun turned out "not very" (tm), well, so lack of experience, multidirectional wishes, personal ambitions, local mentality of thinking ...

ZY Arjun is intended for the western desert theater of operations - i.e. for the war with Pakistan. Of course, neither in the highlands of Ladakh, nor in the eastern soft-humid regions (where Burma and Bangladesh) will not send him.

[Quadro]

But he drives shitty in the desert. Sand is not solid ground, it will sink there and be an archaeological artifact.

[Private-K]

Quote: Quadro

But he drives shitty in the desert. Sand is not solid ground, it will sink there and be an archaeological artifact.

A quote from the description of the Thar desert (Rajakhstan): "... about 10% of the desert area is covered with sand dunes, and over 90% - rocky surfaces, salt marshes and sandy plains and stabilized sands".
The deserts are, in fact, ideal (after the steppes) tank-accessible terrain.
Well, Arjun's problems are his, t.s. personal problems. Heavy Amersky Abrams and British Challengers (and earlier M60 and Chiefs) showed themselves normally in the Middle Eastern deserts. Well, I recommend remembering the war in the North. Africa 1940-43 - tanks rule.

[yehat2]

Quote: prior

I would explain which country, who in the world needs a billion-dollar poverty-stricken India ?!

the plunder of India for a century and a half gave Great Britain half of its GDP. And it was at that time the most powerful power in the world. It was at the expense of India and partly China that the impudent ones rose so.

[orionvitt]

Quote: yehat2

It is due to India and partly China

only if? Great Britain essentially robbed everyone, spreading tentacles around the world.

[yehat2]

all robbed each other. But nowhere was there such an effect
for example, England, with the robbery of Spanish ships, was only able to replenish the budget in order to maintain decent forces and a little more than that, no more. Yes, and the costs of fighting were not small. India and China reported abnormal profitability.

[rotmistr60]

And while "Arjun" was criticized, orders for imported T-72 and T-90 numbered in the hundreds.

So it was not in vain that they criticized and bought what was better. Kohl today, according to the expert, "Arjun" finally became o-go with his 68 tons, then rejoice the Indians. How are feelings expressed in Bollywood? That's right, songs and dances.

[yehat2]

Arjun is frankly hard for his performance characteristics, I think there are many other problems, but you have to start somewhere.
we also had t28 and t-35, but we went further.

[garm]

For its time, the T-28 is a gorgeous tank, compare with the performance characteristics with peers. He was still relevant at 41.

[yehat2]

I know what a T-28 is.

[Mavrikiy]

so many claims were made against the "Arjun" tank, including from the generals, that the creator of MBT M. Natarajan "even burst into tears at the meeting of the ministry."

Here are misers, they could not give the boy a candy. It's a shame, but it's more important. Thanks to the comments, has the tank gotten better?

engines MBT "Arjun" can not cope with operation at altitudes of 4 thousand m.

Yes, many more tears will be shed and many T-72 and T-90 tanks will be bought by India.

[tralflot1832]

Yes, the country is poor, but if they start buying gold, then on the stock exchanges it immediately begins to grow.

[tralflot1832]

How is it in Indian at the beginning tears! Then a twin brother, beaten by careless parents on a trip to Russia, and later became the chief designer at Uralmash?

[Sir Galant]

TTX of these tanks. value for money) Hindu tanks have no future

[cat Rusich]

Indian Ministry of Defense bought T-72 and T-90, which would have something to fight Here and nowand slowly finalizing "Arjun".

[Sasha from Uralmash]

It's a genius! Sensor fixing sabotage! Nothing personal, but it's not far from the shaggy sensor! Well, it's like, give the monkey a grenade yourself!

[House 25 Sq. 380]

The constructor convinces in a very modern way: if there are not enough arguments, - in tears ...