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"I am under Putin ..."

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"I am under Putin ..."

A new fashion at TikTok - schoolchildren are posting a video of them filming portraits of Putin from the wall. And not only schoolchildren, deputies also lit up.


Individual videos are a success, it is clear that whoever started earlier got more views. Some schoolchildren immediately start having problems with school administrators and even the police.

The reason is simple. Some take portraits of Putin. Someone thought of hanging up Navalny's portrait. In general, the movement turned out to be the same. So that even the Kremlin reacted

This is not regulated. This should be addressed to each specific school. On the other hand, schoolchildren should know the leaders of the state by sight. As for flash mobs, there are different flash mobs, pleasant or not. But they come and they go

- said the press secretary of the head of state Dmitry Peskov.

So presidents all over the world come and go. This is normal practice. I don’t know how normal the practice is to hang portraits of the current president everywhere.

Of course, if you take the same Turkmenistan, where Turkmenbashi with his parents stood / hung everywhere, and now Arkadag, then it is still very decent here. But if you look at the THAT world that calls itself civilized ... For some reason there is no such practice.



Perhaps because the leaders there change much more often than in totalitarian states.

One can already ask the question: what does the author have against the portrait of Putin in the office or classroom?

Basically nothing. In addition, according to the law, he has absolutely nothing to do there. According to the law on state symbols, symbols are the coat of arms and the flag. And it is the coat of arms that should be placed according to the law where many have portraits today.

I'm talking about the administrative premises. It is about those where, according to the law, only the coat of arms of Russia is appropriate, but in fact, these premises often turn into art galleries from portraits of officials of all levels, from the mayor and governor to the president.





Yes, the president of Russia is an official. Top-notch, but an official. The question of the appropriateness of the portrait of Putin in offices that could be called "powerful" is a question. And even more so the question of the appropriateness of the portrait in schools.

One gets the not-so-beautiful impression that the portrait of Putin or the governor is like a certain mark of loyalty. "I clean myself according to Putin ..." - paraphrasing Mayakovsky.



In general, it looks so-so ... Provincial vassal oath to the overlord, nothing more. Yes, in Europe and overseas, you can easily see a bust or a portrait on the table of an official. But what ... For the Germans, this is traditionally Bismarck. For the Americans, this is Lincoln. For many of the British commonwealth, this is the queen. But there is a thread, right?


By the way, here is an example of a normal office of an official. No kinks.

We have a problem with this in general. Earlier, under the USSR, everything or almost everything was clear and understandable. The officials had a portrait of Lenin as the founder of the Soviet state. Is it logical? It is logical. The KGB officers had a portrait of the founder of the Cheka Felix Dzerzhinsky. Is it logical? It is logical.

What today?



To be completely corrosive, it turns out that the declarants of modern Russia, that is, almost the founders, are Yeltsin and Burbulis. Those who signed the Belovezhskaya Agreements, after which, in fact, the modern Russian Federation appeared. And before that, if you remember, there was the RSFSR. Within the same approximately borders, but the state is somewhat different in essence.

And if we talk about THAT Russia, there is generally complete confusion and vacillation.

In fact, everything is simple. Russia-Russia has always been, and nothing can be invented here. Nobody founded it, managed, yes, there was a case.

So in terms of hanging the image of the "founding father" following the model and likeness of the Germans, alas, it does not work. Well, in fact, it is not Yeltsin and Burbulis who should be sculpted on the wall ...

Let's return to our realities.

In fact, Putin's portrait is not at all to blame. Unlike the same Berdymukhammedov, who makes the population of his country hang all around with his images, Putin is more modest. And by the way, I am 100% sure that all this is done without informing him.

What for? It is just that bureaucrats of all levels demonstrate their loyalty to higher officials. Yes, "loyalty tag".

"I'm under Putin" ...





Perhaps we just have no other way. You need to be under someone, demonstrate your loyalty, in every possible way expressing loyalty to the one above.

But it's nice, probably, when you are shown and expressed ...

Even a man who is usually admired, extolling his modesty, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, was not against the massive installation of monuments to himself. It is difficult to say whether he knew it or not, but he knew about his intentions to immortalize himself on state awards. He himself approved them, these awards. And he removed his image from the Order of Glory. And left on the medals. “For the victory over Germany” and “For the victory over Japan”.

There is nothing to argue here again, Iosif Vissarionovich is worthy of this. But there are thousands of monuments, which later with such pleasure were spread by the "grateful Soviet people" - this does not fit into the concept. Or fits, but not in a way that seems more likely to me.





Let's look at the schools where the portrait turmoil began.

Each school has a corner of the state. Flag, coat of arms, words of the anthem.



The portrait of the current president is also appropriate there. To know, as they say. But hanging out in offices is stupid. Putin is a politician. Politics has no place in school. So they say, so they declare, but unfortunately, politics is creeping into school more and more actively.

And this must be stopped.

Navalny and his agents have nothing to do in schools, neither in the form of portraits, nor in live or online form. But Putin should not appear in every office, either on orders from above or on the initiative of the local authorities.

Equilibrium. There must be balance. Reasonable and balanced. But we usually can't find this thing even for currency.


Not Tmutarakan. Yegoryevsk, Moscow region.


It is relatively clear with the population. Adults, grabbing at full speed at the dawn of Russia, reason in the bulk like this: "Come on, let him rule, so long as it doesn't get worse." Although, it's worth noting that it gets worse. Not "like in Ukraine." But it becomes.

And children are children. They sense lies and falsehoods, they do not want to love Putin, because "if only it weren't worse", because "there is nobody else" and so on. They naively believe that they can change something.

I sincerely hope so that they can.

Portraits are just another Russian nonsense. A servile creation of an idol for oneself and admiration for it. And this is with the current rampant corruption and constant arrests and detentions.

You don't have to go far for examples, my Voronezh is enough. Vice-Mayor for Urban Development Levtsev - arrested for a bribe of 1,5 million rubles. His successor, Bavykin, not having had time to work in office for six months, was also arrested for fraudulent electoral fraud. 0,4 million rubles The head of the department of the state agricultural academy was caught on a bribe of 0,5 million rubles. Director of the Voronezh branch of the State University of Marine and River fleet named Admiral Makarov and her deputy for educational work were caught, taking a total of 1 million.

"I am under Putin ..."



And surely they were sitting under the portrait of "himself".

And we are surprised that the younger generations look towards the authorities without reverence, do not attend rallies to support Putin, or complain when they are lured there by deception. And, most importantly, they do not vote and support Navalny.

Yes, they do not support Navalny, they are against Putin. Including through the war with his portraits.

Unfortunately, the current government is completely unaware of how unimportant it looks in the eyes of those who literally in a few years will form the basis of the voting electorate.

I am translating: it will be very interesting to observe the figures of 50 and more percent of those who came to the polling stations and empty premises. However, the cameras can be removed. Democracy and honesty must be dosed.

However, there is another option. To listen and take a closer look at the opinion of the people not through the "honestly elected" deputies of the State Duma, but in a different way. And try to earn credibility and respect through deeds, and not on a leftover principle. It is ugly all the same, when there is no one else in such a country to appoint to power.

The topic, in general. A portrait taken from the wall today is completely different thoughts and deeds tomorrow. And on fake "love" not a single leader went far. Examples in stories enough. And monuments are destroyed, and portraits are burning ...

In general, there is something to think about. And the portraits are really not to blame. They are hung on the topic and people without it. Ordinary people in general. Only overzealous in their demonstration of loyalty and loyalty.

Which is again commonplace for Russia. Unfortunately.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 20 February 2021 05: 25
    +10
    are Yeltsin and Burbulis
    Also a kind of Navalny, only their portraits will not occur to anyone in their right mind to hang on the wall.
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 20 February 2021 05: 30
      +30
      I'd rather hang Shishkin's picture, dearer to my heart.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 20 February 2021 05: 48
        -1
        Quote: marchcat
        I'd rather hang Shishkin's picture, dearer to my heart.
        Somehow it is regulated - you have to hang it up, but no, it hasn't rested anywhere. For example, I respect the memory of Stalin, but the portrait is not even close. Better, forgive the state sleeper, I'll attach Sabrina, "Boy, boy, boy"! laughing
        1. Civil
          Civil 20 February 2021 06: 47
          -36%
          1. Previously, Stalin's profile was pricked on the chest, now they hang a portrait over the chair. And even before the king-father. Tradition.
          2. The split between the people and the elite is widening. The symbol of the latter is seen in portraits above the commanding chairs.
          3. They'll get bogged down and quiet. Children and grandchildren of slaves - genetics will take its toll.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 20 February 2021 07: 14
            +13
            Quote: Civil
            They will bust and calm down. Children and grandchildren of slaves - genetics will take its toll.

            Who are you talking about? Extremely rotten thesis, smacks of dill.
            1. Civil
              Civil 20 February 2021 07: 34
              0
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Who are you talking about? Extremely rotten thesis, smacks of dill.

              Taking portraits quietly is a mouse protest. Come to the agreed meeting, get organized. But this is not enough.
              The Sumerians have the same thing, only more screeching.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 20 February 2021 07: 50
                +38
                ... The Kremlin reacted

                ... students must know heads of state in the face.

                And what, there is no other way to find out?

                The pious people hang the icon at their place, and the Zaputins hang the tsar. It's easier to express admiration this way.

                But there is also a downside. For others, this idolatry may be disgusting. And it is also easier to express your displeasure (as well as the pleasure of apologists) with an icon portrait - ridiculing it with flash mobs on TikTok.
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 20 February 2021 08: 45
                  +16
                  The Kremlin reacted ... schoolchildren should know the leaders of the state by sight.

                  That's for sure. Just like in the movies:
                2. raw174
                  raw174 20 February 2021 12: 24
                  +11
                  Quote: Stas157
                  And what, there is no other way to find out?

                  I was in every school of my district, at work, in every school, in the foyer, there is a corner with the flag of the Russian Federation, region and district, in the same place the coats of arms of the Russian Federation, region and district and their anthems, in the same photo of the president, governor and head of the district ... For me, this is normal, there is no admiration in posting this information, this is just information for information. Our prosecutor has a large portrait of F.E. Dzerzhinsky, for example ...
                  1. nils
                    nils 20 February 2021 17: 00
                    +10
                    Quote: raw174 ...
                    photo of the president, governor and head of the district. For me, this is normal, there is no admiration in posting this information, this is just information for information.

                    And here is something from folk art - this is also, by the way, information for information:

                    The Germans had Louis III,
                    In France there was Charles the Seventh.
                    In Russia, everything is more original -
                    We have Vladimir Nulevoy.

                    Oil rose, gasoline grew,
                    The store has become inaccessible,
                    But, to comfort our people,
                    The fourth term is ruled by Putin.

                    You can't say to Putin "Goodbye!"
                    Putin is not saying goodbye to you!

                    Something has rotted in our state,
                    And this "something" twenty years in the kingdom.
                  2. Private89
                    Private89 22 February 2021 20: 54
                    +1
                    A strange kind of consciousness among our security officials and prosecutors why are they hanging a portrait of Dzerzhinsky for themselves? Why they don't hang a portrait of Zubatov for themselves, it would be more logical for this government. Felix Edmundovich still served another class and other ideas.
                    1. Roman B.
                      Roman B. 23 February 2021 10: 27
                      -1
                      Why are they hanging a portrait of Dzerzhinsky for themselves?

                      Dzerzhinsky was the first head of the service that fought for the stability of the state against those who wanted to shake it on the contrary. And the political views of both do not matter. He is a historical personality, like the same Bismarck among the Germans, only in the field not of politics, but of law and order.
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 20 February 2021 08: 46
                +42
                Quote: Civil
                The Sumerians have the same thing, only more screeching.

                These are the two presidents who were thrown off? laughing
                The gut is thin?
                1. Civil
                  Civil 20 February 2021 08: 48
                  -6
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  These are the two presidents who were thrown off? laughing
                  The gut is thin?

                  And what has changed? They also sit expecting from the owner that he will improve their lives for them)
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 20 February 2021 08: 56
                    +29
                    Quote: Civil
                    And what has changed?

                    Much. You didn't notice, but Peskov already noticed
                    1. Odessa Greek
                      Odessa Greek 21 February 2021 02: 24
                      +5
                      Of course a lot, they chose Petrushka, now they don't know how to drive Ze's clown back into the arena until he turned the whole country into a big top))
                2. Stas157
                  Stas157 20 February 2021 09: 45
                  +31
                  Unlike the same Berdymukhammedov, who makes the population of his country hang everything around with his images, Putin is more modest... And by the way, I am 100% sure that all this is done without informing him.

                  Putin does not force portraits to be hung, but he agrees. And obviously with pleasure! Why force obsequious officials to do what they already do with great zeal?
                  1. Outsider V.
                    Outsider V. 21 February 2021 19: 42
                    -1
                    Putin does not force portraits to be hung, but he agrees. And obviously with pleasure!


                    Can you provide evidence of this most obvious pleasure in hanging portraits?
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 21 February 2021 22: 27
                      +20
                      Quote: By outsiders V.
                      Can you provide evidence of this most obvious pleasure in hanging portraits?

                      Do you think that he suffers terribly from this?)) What, what, but he does not look like a sufferer at all! Don't you think?

                      Yes, if the king was disgusted, he would immediately stop this whole cardabalet! He has not known any coastline or red lines lately. It resets the constitution for itself! And with this nonsense - even a hint would be enough for him to solve everything. He doesn't want to.
                      1. Roman B.
                        Roman B. 23 February 2021 10: 38
                        -1
                        If you don't understand, then Outsider V. ironic. As for the president's thoughts on this topic, there is no need to fantasize.
                        he would have stopped all this cardabalet at once!

                        There are more than 2 million officials in the country, many of them hang portraits, this is a personal desire, and it is not the presidential business to monitor everyone so that they remove the portrait. Or do you propose to introduce another control structure to monitor the absence of portraits in offices?
                        PS: It was ironic.
                      2. Stas157
                        Stas157 23 February 2021 11: 31
                        +21
                        Quote: Roman B.
                        it was irony

                        I'm not sure! Sometimes such inconceivable things require proving that I'm not surprised at anything))

                        Quote: Roman B.
                        it's not a presidential thing to watch everyone

                        Don't follow. We just need a non-public decree. President's wish. And officials are like a flock of fish - they perfectly feel the underwater currents and act very synchronously.
                      3. Roman B.
                        Roman B. 23 February 2021 12: 57
                        0
                        I repeat once again - this is a personal matter for everyone, and yes, this partly testifies to the low professionalism of officials and the desire to get a piece of the leader's glory (when his authority is not enough. but the president is trying to build a state governed by the rule of law, and therefore there will be no "unspoken" orders from him.
                      4. Stas157
                        Stas157 23 February 2021 14: 46
                        +21
                        Quote: Roman B.
                        I repeat once again - this is everyone's personal business.

                        When perversion becomes widespread, it needs to be treated. And it is clear that this is not happening out of nowhere. Someone really likes it and is very flattering.

                        Quote: Roman B.
                        The President simply does not care about this

                        Yes, he is not in the know at all! He doesn't care what is going on in the country !! Are you leading to this?

                        Quote: Roman B.
                        the president is trying to build constitutional state

                        But this is just some kind of meme! Yes, the authorities have already gone wild. All red lines have crossed over. They grab people and just throw them behind bars. Recent events - more than 5 thousand arrested! Many just passed by. Even the deaf and dumb were punished, they say, shouted slogans!
                      5. Roman B.
                        Roman B. 23 February 2021 22: 04
                        0
                        I'll start from the end.
                        Not arrested - detained. These are two big differences.
                        Detention is a short-term imprisonment on suspicion of committing a crime for no more than 48 hours. Arrest - as a type of criminal punishment, when the convicted person is isolated from society for a period of 1 to 6 months

                        That is, they brought me to the department, checked the documents, punched through the base and released. All.
                        He doesn't care

                        I disagree. Have you ever been a boss? I had to: a huge number of questions, often there is simply no time for everything, so less important problems are solved on a leftover basis or transferred to subordinates. And the subordinates are also different, and talented and conscientious among them are sorely lacking (if any). Thus, the president is unlikely to be engaged in portraits in offices.
                        Someone really likes it and is very flattering

                        I agree, this is what I was talking about, only this is not a perversion, but rather a massive effect: "Everyone hangs up and I will hang up. Just in case."
                    2. minus
                      minus 24 February 2021 16: 52
                      +1
                      Why is this a private matter? They want a portrait, let them buy for their hard-earned money, and not from the budget! **** The Military Directorate of the UK for the Eastern Military District announced the purchase of 35 sets of portraits of President Vladimir Putin, Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and head of department Alexander Bastrykin. For this, 210 thousand rubles were allocated from the federal budget, it follows from the state procurement documents.

                      Eight sets of portraits will be placed in the department of the military IC in Chita. Images should be made of fabric and framed in a natural wood baguette. Portraits must be mounted on the wall, according to the terms of reference. ****
                    3. Roman B.
                      Roman B. 28 February 2021 15: 09
                      0
                      If the kits go to regular offices, then this is abuse, with the exception of the chief's office (there may be nuances). And so it is quite possible they will go to the design, a corner of general information. In law enforcement agencies, there should be such (this is where all the chiefs and brief information about the unit hang).
                      I am confused by the phrase
                      should be made of fabric

                      and the amount is somehow too much. But to be honest, this is a pointless conversation, because you need to look at documents, and not phrases torn from somewhere.
                    4. minus
                      minus 2 March 2021 15: 49
                      0
                      This is solved using a color printer and has a cost clearly not 210000 rubles. All source documents are easily found on the public procurement website)
                    5. minus
                      minus 2 March 2021 16: 24
                      0
                      Please, see for yourself by the tender number 0122100013920000011. Order for 35 sets. A total of 105 portraits. For 2000 rubles starting price. The total purchase price is 208950 rubles.
    2. laogun
      laogun 20 February 2021 13: 35
      +2
      They did not throw off anything - the states changed the preziks, and the paid crowd of idiots portrayed the will of the people, do you really have to be so stupid not to see the same script and director in all countries with coups. and you still want and we have the same garbage?
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 20 February 2021 15: 41
        +27
        Quote: laogun
        They did not throw off anything - the states changed the preziks, and the paid crowd of idiots portrayed the will of the people,

        And if you think about it? You were there then or you know everything from Skabeeva laughing
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 20 February 2021 16: 46
          -13%
          Quote: Silvestr
          You were there then or you know everything from Skabeeva
          It is possible without Skabeeva. Well, if you have a "gut" for this, then your business.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 20 February 2021 16: 57
            +24
            Quote: Dart2027
            if you have a lot of guts for this,

            What is it for?
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 20 February 2021 18: 57
            -5
            Quote: Silvestr
            What is it for?

            Quote: Silvestr
            These are the two presidents who were thrown off? laughing
            The gut is thin?
          3. New Year day
            New Year day 20 February 2021 23: 20
            +22
            Quote: Dart2027
            Today, 18: 57

            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            What is it for?

            Quote: Silvestr
            These are the two presidents who were thrown off? laughing
            The gut is thin?

            Well I say, you have myopia!
            What do I have to do with throwing off Janek? He was thrown off by the Ukrainians and this must be admitted as a fact.
          4. Dart2027
            Dart2027 21 February 2021 06: 25
            -9
            Quote: Silvestr
            What do I have to do with throwing off Janek? The Ukrainians threw him off

            Well, you put them as an example and ask if the porridge is fine to repeat.
          5. Stas157
            Stas157 21 February 2021 22: 32
            +19
            Quote: Dart2027
            Well, you put them as an example and ask if the porridge is thin to repeat

            Who are you suggesting to throw off ??
          6. Dart2027
            Dart2027 22 February 2021 06: 47
            -4
            Quote: Stas157
            Who are you suggesting to throw off ??

            I? Nobody. This is Silvestr for the revolution.
          7. Stas157
            Stas157 22 February 2021 07: 10
            +21
            Quote: Dart2027
            I? No one

            Why?
          8. Dart2027
            Dart2027 22 February 2021 08: 37
            -2
            Quote: Stas157
            Why?

            But why?
  • laogun
    laogun 20 February 2021 18: 24
    0
    My friends and relatives were there. I work in a Moscow company, and then all the young Ukrainian workers fled to the Maidan, saying that they were promised there at least $ 150-200 a week. And I also notice that many enemies of Russia, both internal and from the Sumeria or from the outskirts, frolic on this site.
    1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 20 February 2021 20: 15
      +1
      And for a very long time. Self-respecting authors of serious analytical articles left here. And about the section - the economy, I generally keep quiet. The second "Echo of Matza" ...
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 20 February 2021 19: 14
    +6
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Civil
    The Sumerians have the same thing, only more screeching.

    These are the two presidents who were thrown off? laughing
    The gut is thin?

    No, this is for those who demolished the monuments to Lenin and Zhukov, but somehow after that, their life did not heal.
    But there has been a tendency to get Yanukovych's portraits from under the mattresses at night (not to be confused with the Americans) and kiss his face with tears in his eyes, with a feeling of deep remorse and affection.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 20 February 2021 23: 23
      +19
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      But there has been a tendency to get Yanukovych's portraits from under the mattresses at night (not to be confused with the Americans) and kiss his face with tears in his eyes, with a feeling of deep remorse and affection.

      This is the lyrics. The strategic task of the times of Kuchma is being fulfilled and the country has reoriented itself to the West. And those who shed tears at night are balanced by those who rushed to Europe.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 20 February 2021 09: 33
    +23
    Quote: Civil
    Taking portraits quietly is a mouse protest. Come to the agreed meeting, get organized. But this is not enough.

    And how do you imagine, to agree on a meeting? In our city, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation did not agree on the rally (covid), and a meeting with the deputy was also prohibited (I do not know under what pretext), all that remains is to lay flowers at the monument))))
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 20 February 2021 10: 28
      +27
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      And how do you imagine, to agree on a meeting?

      hi Some (as in this case, I don’t know) the word “agreed” is specially added to the rally so as not to fall under the article. Otherwise, this appeal is received. While the punitive function in the state is growing, words must be carefully filtered.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 20 February 2021 10: 49
        +9
        hi
        Here I am neatly.))))) Laying flowers at the monument on February 23rd is not forbidden to anyone. )))) Where are we going?
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 21 February 2021 09: 28
      -1
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      In our city, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation did not agree on the rally (covid), and a meeting with the deputy was also prohibited

      So maybe it was a rally with a dubious ideological message, and the deputy wanted to hyip on sensitive issues? Here you need to understand.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 21 February 2021 11: 29
        0
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        So maybe it was a rally with a dubious ideological message, and the deputy wanted to hyip on sensitive issues? Here you need to understand.

        Well, yes, with a "dubious ideological message", of course, at the rally they will say that there is a puddle on the central street of the city, and to get around it on the roadway it is necessary to go out for 10 years already. After rain on the roadway, like ant paths, they interfere with the passage. So it's called a hypanut? The meeting with the deputy was banned because of the covid. And the heads of municipalities now report on the work done to the residents, in the premises in general, is there no covid there? Or is the "ideological message" not dubious there? Power is not dipped in guano, right? You and your like-minded people from "EdimRussia" jump to the new 17th year, and then you will ask: "And what about us?"
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 20 February 2021 11: 43
    +5
    And how will an agreed meeting help? Do you understand why they need to be coordinated? Such protests are bullshit. For the authorities do not care about them practically from the word - at all. They do not in any way touch the pocket of the ruling class. This means that nothing can be changed. Strongly helped by their walking? laughing
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 20 February 2021 14: 49
    +6
    Quote: Civil
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Who are you talking about? Extremely rotten thesis, smacks of dill.

    Taking portraits quietly is a mouse protest. Come to the agreed meeting, get organized. But this is not enough.
    The Sumerians have the same thing, only more screeching.

    Rallies rarely agree, and especially now there is no chance.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 20 February 2021 07: 16
    -9
    Quote: Civil
    Children and grandchildren of slaves

    Who lived in the USSR?
    1. Civil
      Civil 20 February 2021 07: 37
      +4
      Quote: Dart2027
      Who lived in the USSR?

      The USSR appealed to conscience as best it could. He created public institutions for the participation of all citizens in life. But the descendants of the serfs did not appreciate the progressiveness of the methods of the communists. Without a fierce boot, Barin got bored and exchanged everything for chewing gum with jeans.
      And now even began to be indignant.
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        1. Civil
          Civil 20 February 2021 08: 26
          +7
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Those. You think Russian genetic slaves, but you bastard Natsik!

          I look at the facts and consider myself that way. And where was it only about Russians? What does Nazism have to do with it?
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 20 February 2021 08: 49
            +38
            Quote: Civil
            I look at the facts and consider myself that way.

            There are no Pugachevs and Razins. The last riotous in the Soviet Union finished. The new government has educated consumers. All request
            1. Civil
              Civil 20 February 2021 08: 57
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Civil
              I look at the facts and consider myself that way.

              There are no Pugachevs and Razins. The last riotous in the Soviet Union finished. The new government has educated consumers. All request

              Complex processes should not be simply explained. Much coincided here. Historical traditions, undoubtedly genetics (when people were kept in slavery for centuries by breeding obedient breeds), aging society, fear for the future, consumer society ...
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 16
                +20
                Quote: Civil
                Complex processes should not be simply explained. Much coincided here. Historical traditions, undoubtedly genetics (when people were kept in slavery for centuries by breeding obedient breeds), aging society, fear for the future, consumer society ...

                nevertheless the result is obvious
              2. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 20 February 2021 09: 36
                +6
                hi
                Quote: Silvestr
                nevertheless the result is obvious

                There is no result yet, wait and see.
              3. New Year day
                New Year day 20 February 2021 10: 26
                +27
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                No result yet

                how not! Lizoblyudstvo, loyalty and portraits on the walls - the result desired by the authorities. But then they began to shoot, trouble ... laughing
              4. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 20 February 2021 10: 42
                +12
                Quote: Silvestr
                But then they began to shoot, trouble ...

                This is not a problem, trouble will be when they bring it to the 17th year. Then they will start to hang them, but I'm afraid they are no longer portraits.
              5. New Year day
                New Year day 20 February 2021 11: 28
                +19
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                This is not a problem, trouble will be when they bring it to the 17th year. Then they will start to hang, but I'm afraid they are no longer portraits

                For them, it is a disaster if the police begin to interrogate. But they still do not know about the future, although the smartest are already preparing
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    1. Civil
      Civil 20 February 2021 09: 01
      -9
      at different times from Peter I to Alexander II, up to 55 percent of the population of Russia was enslaved, and these were not Tatars with the Balts, but the overwhelming majority of Russians.

      Why don't you like Russians so much? Are you Ukrainian? So, more Ukrainians were enslaved, for that matter.
      For example, in the countries of the former Turkestan, not the descendants of slaves. And the real slaves of the local eastern despots. Moreover, they are quite satisfied with their position.
      There is an evolutionary process at an earlier stage.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 20 February 2021 09: 07
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        Why don't you like Russians so much? So, more Ukrainians were enslaved, for that matter.
        What nonsense is Ukraine? There was no Ukraine then, certainly not under Peter the Great, there were more Russians, maybe Little Russians, many times. And why are you already giving up your words?
        Quote: Civil
        Children and grandchildren of slaves - genetics will take its toll.
        Quote: Civil
        But the descendants of the serfs did not appreciate the progressiveness of the methods of the communists.
      2. Civil
        Civil 20 February 2021 09: 12
        -5
        Children and grandchildren of slaves - genetics will take its toll.

        Where is there only about the Russians? All the peoples of RI were under the yoke of the nobles and tsarism. What's not clear?
      3. Pensive Lawyer
        Pensive Lawyer 20 February 2021 13: 26
        +6
        I will surprise you, perhaps, but absolutely everyone was under oppression until a certain historical period.
        Speaking of genetics, the theory of genetic predisposition to certain behaviors collapsed shortly after the Third Reich. The guys were like that, according to the shape of the skull and a number of other signs, they determined whether a person has trash or rights.
        By the way, peasant women, who are smarter, were actively taken into mistresses, with a corresponding result. So even if your nonsense about genetics had at least some justification, the theory of breeding a servant class even under the king of the peas collapses by building a logical chain that even a rudimentary brain is capable of.
        And, of course, I ask you, continue to show that among the opposition there are people like you, with upbringing, tact, and the skills to correctly convey your point of view at the level of livestock, with statements that draw on an article in the Criminal Code, and with intelligence comparable to the intelligence of 43 US presidents.
        By your actions and your behavior, each of you helps the current government in shaping public opinion about the opposition more than a platoon of troll bots.
        I express my deep gratitude to you, thanks to you and your comrades in terms of the world outlook, the Russian Federation is making leaps and bounds in the direction in which, in my subjective opinion, the country should go.
      4. didra
        didra 25 February 2021 14: 26
        0
        This is stupid nonsense! Someone just needs to tell you this.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 20 February 2021 10: 14
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Russians are genetic slaves

    So they do not share his "Great Ideas".
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 20 February 2021 10: 13
    -6
    Quote: Civil
    The USSR appealed to conscience as best it could. He created public institutions for the participation of all citizens in life.

    Modern people are children and grandchildren of those who lived in the USSR.
    Quote: Civil
    But the descendants of the serfs did not appreciate the progressiveness of the methods of the communists.

    Another whining that the people are not what we need.
    1. Civil
      Civil 20 February 2021 10: 37
      -4
      Quote: Dart2027
      Another whining that the people are not what we need.

      Yes, everything is smooth, the authorities and the people are all worthy of each other, some came out of the others.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 20 February 2021 11: 54
        -8
        Quote: Civil
        Yes, everything is smooth, the authorities and the people are all worthy of each other

        Well, look for another people, who is in the way?
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 20 February 2021 11: 47
      +3
      Quote: Dart2027
      Another whining that the people are not what we need.

      Really. What a scoundrel! Encroached on your exclusively liberal prerogative. laughing
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 20 February 2021 11: 55
        -10%
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Encroached on your exclusively liberal prerogative.

        Said the representative of the static error.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 20 February 2021 12: 47
          +3
          This error does not let you sleep, you can’t eat. Almost 30 years have passed since the death of the USSR. And you are all fighting the communists and cannot win in any way. laughing
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 20 February 2021 15: 09
            -8
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            This error to you

            makes it possible to have a pleasant time poking another lover of "changes" into it.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            And you are all fighting the communists

            What for? The idea, which certainly looked great, proved to be ineffective in real life. Those who now take to the streets love Lenin even less than Putin.
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 21 February 2021 18: 33
            -1
            You can read these mantras for self-soothingness to yourself as much as you like. They won't change anything. Change is the essence of being. Have you decided to change the laws of the universe by order? laughing
            Quote: Dart2027
            Those who now take to the streets love Lenin even less than Putin.

            Do you understand. The communist consciousness does not at all imply the obligatory adoration of the leaders of the movement. But to understand this it is necessary to get rid of the remnants of the thinking of the serf peasant. That in your case, alas, is impossible.
          3. Dart2027
            Dart2027 21 February 2021 20: 15
            -3
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            These mantras
            Reflect reality.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Change is the essence of being.
            But these changes should not be adjusted to your wishes.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            The communist consciousness does not at all imply the obligatory adoration of the leaders of the movement.
            Do you even read what they write to you? Those who are now trying to arrange another Maidan, your beloved communism cannot stand it, and in any case, nothing will shine for him.
          4. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 22 February 2021 15: 27
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            Reflect reality.

            They do not reflect anything other than your protective reactionary dreams.
            Quote: Dart2027
            But these changes should not be adjusted to your wishes.

            Because they should be under yours?
            Quote: Dart2027
            Do you even read what they write to you? Those who are now trying to arrange another Maidan, your beloved communism cannot stand it, and in any case, nothing will shine for him.

            It's funny when a person who understands the issue a little less than nothing tries to teach me, a person from his life experience who understood the correctness of Marxism and reached some of its ideas on his own. You are the guardians of sovereign capitalism, which gave birth to the bulk, and now you frighten the people with it in your own selfish interests, then you are periodically afraid that this gin that you let out of the bottle would not destroy you and take away what you have acquired with heavy robbery. Fortunately, the example of Ukraine and Belarus is close at hand. You need to pray for the communists. Otherwise, Putin will end one day and the bulk will come. And it will be with us as in Ukraine which you love to scare so much. Because you cannot offer any other alternative. You don't have it.
          5. Dart2027
            Dart2027 22 February 2021 15: 34
            -5
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Nothing but your guardian reactionary dreams

            Our guards successfully carry out the task of defending the country, and your wishes remained just dreams.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Because they should be under yours?

            Конечно.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            It's funny when a person who is versed in a matter is a little less than trying to teach

            It's funny when a person who understands the issue is trying to teach a little less than in any way - your Marxism failed so miserably that there were no precedents.
          6. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 22 February 2021 19: 51
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            Our guards successfully carry out the task of protecting the country

            Is this how successes look like today? What do failures look like then? How is the total extinction of the country? However, we are heading for this with the current tight demography.
            Quote: Dart2027
            Конечно.

            Somehow you will interrupt.
            Quote: Dart2027
            Your Marxism has failed so miserably that there have been no precedents.

            You are lying again.
          7. Dart2027
            Dart2027 22 February 2021 20: 38
            -4
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Is this how successes look like today?

            Of course Attempt to arrange a maidan failed, and especially violent ones got a good lesson.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Somehow you will interrupt.

            You just have to interrupt.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

            You are lying again.

            Well, show me the USSR if you can.
            Quote: Dart2027
            Your Marxism has failed so miserably that there have been no precedents.
          8. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 23 February 2021 02: 28
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            Of course Attempt to arrange a maidan failed, and especially violent ones got a good lesson.

            What is this? You mean this crap from Navalny and his supporters? Do not make me laugh. Even the Vurgaloids looked more solid as a threat to the system. So this is just a touchstone. Further, as the standard of living falls, it will be more fun.
            Quote: Dart2027
            You just have to interrupt.

            Down and Out trouble started. You too many bourgeois patriots ran about not so long ago. And then the petty and middle bourgeoisie began to howl from all the fun in the economy and the coronavirus crisis. And some of Putin's supporters, quite sharply, have become almost his opponents, and some have become opponents. laughing
            Quote: Dart2027
            Well, show me the USSR if you can.

            Let me remind you, let's say about the English Revolution. There, after the death of Cromwell, the restoration of the monarchy took place almost immediately. And remember how France shook from the monarchy to the republic? So the USSR is just the beginning. And yet what a beginning! Despite the setback, it was a huge breakthrough for humanity. Although who am I telling this. No, you're too stupid to understand all this.
          9. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 February 2021 06: 40
            -5
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            What is it? You mean this crap from Navalny and his supporters?
            For which all the communists tore their veins here. Failed.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            So this is just a touchstone.
            With static error.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Let me remind you, let's say about the English Revolution. There
            Where no one was going to finally get rid of the monarchy, bourgeois changes were simply consolidated.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            And remember how France shook from the monarchy to the republic?
            Which, again, had no effect on her inner life.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Despite the setback, it was a huge breakthrough for humanity.
            While Stalin kept everyone in his fist, and then no less grandiose shame.
          10. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 23 February 2021 13: 11
            0
            Quote: Dart2027
            For which all the communists tore their veins here. Failed.

            You are lying again. I've always said that the bulk is the same bourgeois scum as the guardians.
            Quote: Dart2027
            With static error.

            It's already funny. Second World Economy Statistical Error? A country that managed in spite of the most severe troubles and heavy losses in wars in space and nuclear power? But now yes, the RF is a statistical error, you're right.
            Quote: Dart2027
            Where no one was going to finally get rid of the monarchy, bourgeois changes were simply consolidated.

            And only the king was executed.
            And the truth is such a trifle.
            Quote: Dart2027
            Which, again, had no effect on her inner life.

            Are you serious now? Well, ok then why are you so afraid of bulk well, if they come, it will not affect the inner life in any way. Or "is it different"? laughing
            Quote: Dart2027
            While Stalin kept everyone in his fist, and then no less grandiose shame.

            You will be defined there in your liberal gadyushnik, about the role of the individual in history. And then here you have Stalin decided everything, there the people in spite of, but there it happened by itself. laughing
          11. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 February 2021 13: 22
            -2
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            You are lying again. I've always said that the bulk is the same bourgeois scum as the guardians.
            But just scolding him all you rock the boat for him.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            It's already funny. Second World Economy Statistical Error?
            We are talking about the current protests.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            A country that managed in spite of the most severe troubles and heavy losses in wars in space and nuclear power?
            Only then the people did not want to hear about the first or the second. Why would?
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Well ok then why are you so afraid of bulk
            I'm afraid, so I'm laughing looking at the attempts to pile up their supporters and to arrange a storm.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            You will be defined there in your liberal gadyushnik, about the role of the individual in history.
            It does not change for me - the whole USSR was held together by one person. That is, it was not viable.
          12. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 23 February 2021 14: 03
            -1
            Quote: Dart2027
            But just scolding him all you rock the boat for him.

            Well, I am far from guardians to you. You gave birth to bulk. And breed them hard. While the bulkers are pumping the boat, you stupidly do not overhaul this boat and all the time cut the crew's allowance when working conditions deteriorate. The result is quite predictable.
            Quote: Dart2027
            We are talking about the current protests.

            The current protests are small things. But this is just the beginning.
            Quote: Dart2027
            I'm afraid, so I'm laughing looking at the attempts to pile up their supporters and to arrange a storm.

            While yes, it's funny. But Lukashenka was no longer laughing.
            Quote: Dart2027
            It does not change for me - the whole USSR was held together by one person. That is, it was not viable.

            The entire Russian Federation rests on one person and is not viable without him.
          13. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 February 2021 17: 08
            -2
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            You gave birth to bulk.
            And who gave birth to Gorbachev there?
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            The current protests are small things. But this is just the beginning.
            What else to say if they were quickly blown away.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            But Lukashenka was no longer laughing.
            True? And where is Tikhanovskaya now?
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            The entire Russian Federation rests on one person
            While a lot depends on him, a fact. But he is actively looking for colleagues who understand the simple fact that no money will help them without the Russian Federation, which means that it is necessary to strengthen the country.
          14. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 23 February 2021 18: 12
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            And who gave birth to Gorbachev there?

            Those who are now engaged in guarding.
            Quote: Dart2027
            What else to say if they were quickly blown away.

            So what? Discontent among the people has not gone anywhere. The fact that there is no revolutionary situation today does not mean that it will not exist tomorrow.
            Quote: Dart2027
            True? And where is Tikhanovskaya now?

            The point is not Tikhanovskaya, but the fact that Lukashenko practically walked along the edge of the abyss. There, in addition to the common people, part of the people in power at least hesitated and took a wait-and-see attitude and was not at all eager to stand up for the father of an emblematic nation. Which, however, did not teach him anything.
            Quote: Dart2027
            While a lot depends on him, a fact. But he is actively looking for colleagues who understand the simple fact that no money will help them without the Russian Federation, which means that it is necessary to strengthen the country.

            He selects so that the constitution was already rewritten for him. They understand what they understand. That will not prevent them from selling this very homeland with giblets on occasion.
          15. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 February 2021 21: 13
            -2
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Those who are engaged today
            Oh really? Didn't he grow up, studied and made a career in the USSR?
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            So what? Discontent among the people has not gone anywhere.
            The people are never completely satisfied, but no one feels the desire to destroy their country for the sake of a chimera.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            It's not about Tikhanovskaya, but the fact that Lukashenko
            Suppressed an attempt to overthrow the government, organized by your masters from the United States.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            He selects so that already the constitution

            Quote: Dart2027
            While a lot depends on him, a fact.

            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            That will not prevent them from selling this very homeland with giblets on occasion.
            Since it was sold in the 90s, the leadership of the Communist Party will not be able to sell it.
          16. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 24 February 2021 00: 12
            0
            Quote: Dart2027
            Oh really? Didn't he grow up, studied and made a career in the USSR?

            And earlier, everyone began to spit on RI. The one that we have now declared a lost paradise.
            Quote: Dart2027
            The people are never completely satisfied, but no one feels the desire to destroy their country for the sake of a chimera.

            Well, he destroyed the country for the sake of the chimera of capitalism.
            Quote: Dart2027
            Suppressed an attempt to overthrow the government, organized by your masters from the United States.

            Biden is a communist? Again you started lying. I can’t look without lying.
            Quote: Dart2027
            Since it was sold in the 90s, the leadership of the Communist Party will not be able to sell it.

            The trick is that by that time, essentially one name remained from the Communist Party. Well, do not consider Yeltsin's grandfather to be an ardent communist. A rotten careerist and a rare deceitful scum who ruined the country for the sake of his ambitions. The same scum that your Putin otrohali Yeltsin Center.
            Quote: Dart2027

            While a lot depends on him, a fact.

            Does his long tenure as president remind you of anything from the history of the USSR? How did it end in the end, remember?
          17. Dart2027
            Dart2027 24 February 2021 06: 54
            -3
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            And earlier, everyone began to spit on RI
            That is, you won't argue with the fact that all the current elites were "born in the Soviet Union, made in the USSR"?
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Biden is a communist? Again you started lying.
            Tikhanovskaya is a communist ?! Seriously? Or are you so entangled in your lies and twists and turns that you no longer understand what you are writing?
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            The trick is that by that time, essentially one name remained from the Communist Party.
            So what? It was the elite of the CPSU that ruled the country.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Does his long tenure as president remind you of anything from the history of the USSR?
            And not only the USSR.
            Quote: Dart2027
            While a lot depends on him, a fact. But he is actively looking for colleagues who understand the simple fact that no money will help them without the Russian Federation, which means that it is necessary to strengthen the country.
          18. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 24 February 2021 13: 34
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            That is, you won't argue with the fact that all the current elites were "born in the Soviet Union, made in the USSR"?

            Did I prove the opposite?
            Quote: Dart2027
            Tikhanovskaya is a communist ?! Seriously?

            You assigned me some masters in Washington. I'm a communist. Hence the question. It's not my fault that you have a mess in your head and you don't know what you are saying.
            Quote: Dart2027
            So what? It was the elite of the CPSU that ruled the country.

            So what? Do you even understand what I'm talking about? What does communism have to do with it if by 1991 there was practically no nichrome in the Communist Party. And the most important thing was not in leadership positions.
            Quote: Dart2027
            And not only the USSR.

            Well, at least here you seem to be a little adequate.
            Quote: Dart2027
            While a lot depends on him, a fact. But he is actively looking for colleagues who understand the simple fact that no money will help them without the Russian Federation, which means that it is necessary to strengthen the country.

            The whole trouble is that the bourgeois class is united in terms of oppressing the working class, but it is not uniform in terms of distributing the profits received among themselves. With all the ensuing consequences. In addition, a lot of the petty bourgeoisie consider it wrong how the public property was taken away and divided in the 90s. And other preferences of the near-Putin oligarchy and other friends of acquaintances and relatives. Well, you understand. Everything suits you for now and therefore you are a patriot. Tomorrow you will get sick and change your shoes on the fly and run in the front ranks to overthrow Putin. At least on the basis of your own safety, so that others do not suspect you of loyalty to the regime. And they were not included in the proscription lists.
          19. Dart2027
            Dart2027 24 February 2021 15: 03
            0
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Did I prove the opposite?
            Then what are the claims to modern Russia?
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            You assigned me some masters in Washington. I'm a communist.
            And in Washington, it doesn't matter who will muddy the waters in Russia, the main thing is to arrange another revolution, so you plow on them.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            The trouble is that the bourgeois class
            The trouble is that all these class theories are worthless in real life. People will always have different groups with their own interests - this is life.
          20. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 24 February 2021 17: 51
            -1
            Quote: Dart2027
            Then what are the claims to modern Russia?

            All the same. Maybe enough trying to demagoguery? Well, it doesn't work for you.
            Quote: Dart2027
            And in Washington, it doesn't matter who will muddy the waters in Russia, the main thing is to arrange another revolution, so you plow on them.

            From this point of view, you work for them to an even greater extent, maintaining rotten "stability". So you are the one who plows on them.
            Quote: Dart2027
            The trouble is that all these class theories are worthless in real life. People will always have different groups with their own interests - this is life.

            The whole trouble is that not only are you stupid, you also do not abandon attempts at demagoguery. And so stupid that you manage to contradict yourself even literally in this pair of sentences.
          21. Dart2027
            Dart2027 24 February 2021 19: 15
            -2
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            All the same.
            That it is run by citizens born in the USSR?
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            From this point of view, you work even more for them maintaining rotten "stability".
            The eternal groan of all the revolutionaries, although none of them could clearly explain why Putin is so persistently trying to remove.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            The trouble is that you are not only stupid, but also
            and trying to be smart. And he is not even able to understand that groups of people with their own interests have nothing to do with the so-called "class struggle".
  • Vlad world
    Vlad world 20 February 2021 16: 40
    +2
    Well, yes, consciousness - the accelerated growth in the consumption of alcoholic beverages in Russia. Look - You can't live like that - Govorukhina.
    The master's fierce boot - you say you need it. An example from history - at the haymaking, the master swung his whip at the peasant, seemingly mowing badly. Your result of this event.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 20 February 2021 19: 46
    +5
    Quote: Civil
    The USSR appealed to conscience as best it could. He created public institutions for the participation of all citizens in life. But the descendants of the serfs did not appreciate the progressiveness of the methods of the communists... Without a fierce boot, Barin got bored and exchanged everything for chewing gum with jeans.
    And now even began to be indignant.
    You might think that the Soviet Union was rebuilt exclusively by repressed "intellectuals and princes who did not have time to escape." The same descendants of the serfs raised the Union, but they were betrayed by those whose portraits hung in their offices - Gorbachev and Yeltsin. As for genetics, then it would be appropriate to recall the expression - "There is nothing more terrible than a Russian revolt, senseless and merciless", which suggests that humility, as a characteristic feature of the Russian people, is not a constant. The danger lies in the fact that if (God forbid) a riot breaks out, then, as it were, in its process, your house cannot be smashed into the trash.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 21 February 2021 09: 37
    +1
    Let's just say that the Bolsheviks at first had high hopes for the so-called. "social creativity of the masses", for consciousness, initiative. They, nevertheless, were brought up by the Russian intelligentsia of the XNUMXth century, who extolled the "common man".
    But what happens in reality if this "common man" is freed from state coercion, the film "Heart of a Dog" shows.
    Therefore, very quickly the games of democracy had to be curtailed - purely for the purpose of preserving the country and winning a future war.
    And power became familiar to the people - authoritarian-paternalistic. And this is good.
  • Flooding
    Flooding 20 February 2021 08: 29
    +8
    Quote: Civil
    They will bust and calm down. Children and grandchildren of slaves - genetics will take its toll.

    Don't measure others by yourself.
    Too often, this approach fails.
    Write for yourself and on your own.
    If the slavishness is stronger than the desire to write, be silent.
    1. Civil
      Civil 20 February 2021 08: 41
      -1
      Too often, this approach fails.

      Come on, in Russia on whose side the army is, that and the tsar.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 20 February 2021 08: 45
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        Come on, in Russia on whose side the army is, that and the tsar.

        Which way is it different?
        And what does this have to do with what you wrote about slave genetics?
        1. Civil
          Civil 20 February 2021 08: 52
          0
          Quote: Flood
          Which way is it different?
          And what does this have to do with what you wrote about slave genetics?

          That only free people can choose for themselves, at the time of the leader. In our version, the strongest - crushing the weak, CAM climbs onto the barrel. The others silently lick his boots. What is not clear? And the Army is on the side of the strong, not on the side of the weak majority. That automatically, like Yeltsin, the army guarantees power. And not some "people".
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 20 February 2021 09: 00
            +4
            Quote: Civil
            What is not clear?

            Explain about "slave genetics".
            you know how to read. or just write?
            Quote: Civil
            And the Army is on the side of the strong, and not on the side of the weak majority

            I ask you again: in which country is it different?
            Two questions you cannot answer. But at the same time, spend your efforts on some abstract oddities.
            1. Civil
              Civil 20 February 2021 09: 10
              -9
              Explain about "slave genetics".

              Let me explain, there is such a system when the breed is taken out. When they kill carriers of unofficial characteristics. This system works the same with humans. If you kill the naughty for centuries. It turns out like in Turkmenistan - a very obedient majority. In Russia, this selection was carried out by the gentlemen in relation to both serfs and dependent peasants. However, with the abolition of serfdom in 1861, this process began to reverse. But it will not be completely eliminated. For example, I remember well my great-grandmother born in the 80s of the 19th century. In other words, not enough time has passed since the release.
              in which country is it different?

              For example in Switzerland, Germany ... google it. Somewhere the army is generally decorative, for example in Panama.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 20 February 2021 09: 25
                +3
                Quote: Civil
                In Russia, this selection was carried out by the gentlemen in relation to both serfs and dependent peasants.

                tell this to Razin, Pugachev, Bolotnikov.
                Quote: Civil
                However, with the abolition of serfdom in 1861, this process began to reverse. But it will not be completely eliminated.

                yes you are a connoisseur of human souls.
                What can you say about the Japanese mentality?
                Chinese?
                and French in its Arabic-North African performance, you probably prefer?
                look how they like to bang. immediately obvious - not slaves. by the number of burned cars and broken windows.
                all the best to you, selection expert.
                and learn to take responsibility for yourself.
                you have not written anything about your slavish inclinations, and how you fight them.
              2. Civil
                Civil 20 February 2021 09: 29
                -10%
                Quote: Flood
                look how they like to bang. immediately obvious - not slaves. by the number of burned cars and broken windows.

                Read carefully, the phrase "coordinated rallies" does not mean anything? And there are plenty of them, but no one even walks. They prefer to carry a fig in their pockets and shoot portraits in a quiet way.
              3. Civil
                Civil 20 February 2021 09: 33
                -6
                Razin, Pugachev, Bolotnikov.

                Razin is quartered.
                Pugachev is quartered.
                Bolotnikov - blinded and drowned in the hole.

                Are there still those willing to rebel?
              4. Flooding
                Flooding 20 February 2021 09: 51
                +1
                Quote: Civil
                Razin is quartered.
                Pugachev is quartered.
                Bolotnikov - blinded and drowned in the hole.

                You do not see forests behind trees.
                1. these were isolated examples, followed by tens and hundreds of thousands.
                2. they came from somewhere. probably just not familiar with your ridiculous slave breeding theory
                3. You do not know that there is nothing worse and bloodier than a slave revolt? the history of Ancient Rome to help you.
                4. I no longer write about a series of events in the first quarter of the 20th century in Russia
                sorry, but your speculation does not stand up to scrutiny
              5. Civil
                Civil 20 February 2021 10: 20
                -2
                [quote] these were single examples, followed by tens and hundreds of thousands. / quote]
                1. The uprisings were brutally suppressed by the tsarist army. Thousands were executed without trial or investigation, since the rabble were not considered people.
                [quote = Navodlom] they came from somewhere. probably just weren't familiar with your ridiculous theory of slave selection [/ quote]
                2. Hunger and cruel arbitrariness brought them. To the crunch of a French roll.
                [quote = Navodlom] you don't know that there is nothing worse and bloodier than a slave uprising? the history of Ancient Rome to help you. [/ quote]
                3. Slaves. Who have nothing to lose but their shackles. You need to know the classics.
                [quote] I no longer write about the sequence of events in the first quarter of the 20th century in Russia [/ quote]
                There was no longer serfdom, but the arbitrariness of the nobles headed by their tsar remained, endless wars. When the peasants were sent to slaughter, it is not clear why.
                [quote] but your speculations do not stand up to criticism [/ quote]
                What other conjectures. After 1991, descendants lick the boots of new nobles. They hardly grumble. It is a fact.
              6. Flooding
                Flooding 20 February 2021 10: 27
                -1
                I didn’t expect you to write these obvious things. Instead of understanding a simple idea: a person can be raised as a slave, but a people cannot.
                Quote: Civil
                There was no longer serfdom, but the arbitrariness of the nobles headed by their tsar remained, endless wars. When the peasants were sent to slaughter, it is not clear why.

                in your head it somehow coexists peacefully with your words about "work genetics". more and more miraculous.
                Good luck to you.
              7. Civil
                Civil 20 February 2021 10: 35
                0
                Quote: Flood
                Good luck to you.

                Have a great weekend and the team too. Even a ram, pressed into a corner, makes an attempt to escape.
              8. Flooding
                Flooding 20 February 2021 10: 53
                0
                Quote: Civil
                Even a ram, pressed into a corner, makes an attempt to escape.

                you wanted to write about hundreds of thousands and millions of rams?
                Quote: Civil
                Have a nice weekend and the team too

                the team thanks you for your kind words. he is upset and can hardly hold back tears.
              9. dauria
                dauria 20 February 2021 14: 29
                +6
                Even a ram, pressed into a corner, makes an attempt to escape.


                But you wrote it about yourself, my dear. They blurted out nonsense about "slave genetics" and spin like in a frying pan. And you yourself understand that you have been stupid, and ambition prevents you from admitting this.
            2. DDZ57
              DDZ57 20 February 2021 16: 19
              -1
              Instead of understanding a simple thought: a person can be raised as a slave, but a people cannot.


              Read maybe something in your head will change:

              Defenders of the idea of ​​mass control, who considered the only means of re-education to tighten police measures, saw in psychology another liberal nonsense, because a person from the bottom of the public should not be educated, but trained. Not fostering a culture of behavior, but training the discipline of behavior should become a tool for transforming mass psychology. Subsequently, one of these methods became "conditioning", or psychological training.
              The term was introduced into circulation by Ivan Pavlov, the creator of the theory of unconditioned reflexes. Pavlov proved that it is possible to control the behavior of dogs with a special technique, to develop any unconscious reflexes on request. The experimental dogs were imposed on various programs of behavior, each of which contradicted the previous one. After prolonged stress, leading to exhaustion, the dogs accepted any program without any resistance.
              The need for the Soviet government in the method of psychological training of the masses was so great that, in the era of Stalinist repressions, when the slightest criticism of the regime was followed by the most severe punishments, openly anti-Soviet statements were allowed to Pavlov. Psychological training, however, was not adopted by the Soviet government.
              The Pavlov system in Russia was forgotten, but it was used by North Korea during the 1950-53 war in the camps for American prisoners of war. Changing the program of the day, changing the schedule of hours of work and food, the guards brought the captive Americans to a complete emotional stupor and at that moment they brought down ideological dogmas on them. The brainwashing was carried out continuously for many months.
              To break the will to group resistance, personal conversations were held, in which it was logically and by living examples explained that no one can be trusted, that there are no real friends, that even your closest friend for an extra portion of stew or release from work will report your "wrong" actions and thoughts. Only cooperation with the guards could give advantages in the struggle of all against all for survival. Requirements for prisoners were constantly increasing, benefits were reduced, and the struggle for awards became more and more fierce.


              https://webkamerton.ru/2020/02/novyy-chelovek-postchelovek?utm_campaign=auction
              The new man is posthuman. February 2020. CAMERTON Magazine
            3. Flooding
              Flooding 20 February 2021 20: 44
              +3
              you would know better what it is about.
              The civilian believes that the Russian people have not yet got rid of the gene of slavery.
              Do you agree with him?
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 20 February 2021 11: 59
          -6
          Quote: Civil
          Thousands were executed without trial, since the rabble were not considered people.

          This is when it was necessary to introduce military courts for those captured with weapons?
          Quote: Civil
          After 1991, descendants lick the boots of new nobles.

          Well, where are these nobles?
        3. Civil
          Civil 20 February 2021 12: 10
          -1
          Quote: Dart2027
          This is when it was necessary to introduce military courts for those captured with weapons?

          So you justify the murder of the poor peasants? Who rebelled from hunger and tyranny ... Once again - serfs were not people in the understanding of the nobles and no courts were envisaged for the mob. As well as not kept records.
          Quote: Dart2027
          Well, where are these nobles?

          Forbes list at your service.

          Well, judging by your comment, we expect massive repressions. However, this is not the first time that some Russians will, for political reasons, kill other Russians.
        4. Dart2027
          Dart2027 20 February 2021 12: 18
          -12%
          Quote: Civil
          This is how you justify killing the poor peasants

          Another propaganda blah blah blah ... There is a fact - weapons were used when necessary.
          Quote: Civil
          Forbes list at your service.

          And where does it say about obtaining titles and hereditary nobility?
          Quote: Civil
          However, this is not the first time that some Russians will, for political reasons, kill other Russians.

          I know that these are your places. But the FSB and the National Guard do not give, for which you hate them so much.
        5. Civil
          Civil 20 February 2021 12: 23
          -2
          Quote: Dart2027
          But the FSB and the National Guard do not give, for which you hate them so much.

          I just support it. Let these rioters bring down everyone. The Lord himself will figure out which of them was right who was wrong.
          Another propaganda blah blah blah ..

          How long have you been working for the Romanovs?
          And where does it say about obtaining titles and hereditary nobility?

          All offshore, all former Soviet industry and mining.
          Everything will pass to the children-grandchildren. Do not worry.
        6. Dart2027
          Dart2027 20 February 2021 15: 02
          -7
          Quote: Civil
          I just support it.

          Wow.
          Quote: Civil
          Long ago on the Romanovs

          That is, do not argue about weapons.
          Quote: Civil
          All offshore, all

          That is, there are no nobles.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 21 February 2021 11: 45
      +2
      Quote: Civil
      So you justify the murder of the poor peasants? Who rebelled against hunger and tyranny

      Already not even funny.
      You began by denouncing the Russian people as a slave.
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 21 February 2021 15: 02
      0
      Quote: Flood
      Already not even funny.
      You started with

      And fans of revolutions (any) always begin to get confused in their slogans.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 20 February 2021 13: 08
    +27
    Quote: Dart2027
    Well, where are these nobles?

    See:
    1.First, one of the first initiators of the distribution of titles, Alexei I (Alexei Nikolaevich Brumel, brother of the famous high jumper, he declared himself “regent of the Russian Empire”) granted Boris Yeltsin the title of Grand Duke, but then “regent,” as they say, “fell into great anger ”and demoted the president to the count. And so Yeltsin departed to another world as a simple "graph".
    2. The head of the Russian imperial house, Maria Vladimirovna Romanova, restored the Russian military order of Nicholas the Wonderworker and is now actively rewarding them. The first degree of the order gives the right to hereditary nobility, the second and third - to personal.
    According to this version, the new nobles were: the former head of the General Staff Anatoly Kvashnin, the current head of the General Staff Yuri Baluevsky, the governor of the Moscow region Boris Gromov, the former governor of the Ulyanovsk region Vladimir Shamanov, the former head of the Yeltsin security service Alexander Korzhakov, as well as Gennady Troshev and Valery Manilov. The ceremony of awarding generals Kvashnin, Troshev and Manilov to the nobility took place in the Central House of Officers.
    3. Shoigulich coat of arms entered in the Heraldic Register under No. 2/1.

    4.Former Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Hero of the Russian Federation, Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev- Shoigu in 2017. personally presented him with the family coat of arms specially developed by the heraldic service.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 20 February 2021 15: 06
    -2
    Quote: Silvestr
    See

    Such "nobility" have no practical meaning. Something more serious will be?
  • New Year day
    New Year day 20 February 2021 15: 40
    +21
    Quote: Dart2027
    Such "nobility" have no

    Why haven't serious people given up on them? laughing
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 20 February 2021 16: 43
    0
    Quote: Silvestr
    they were not abandoned

    What for? Honorary diplomas in fact do not mean anything, but no one refuses them.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 20 February 2021 16: 58
    +20
    Quote: Dart2027
    Honorary diplomas in fact do not mean anything, but no one refuses them.

    Bad explanation
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 20 February 2021 18: 56
    -2
    Quote: Silvestr
    Bad explanation

    Well, tell me what they really give, except for a piece of paper on the wall.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 20 February 2021 16: 58
    +19
    Quote: Dart2027
    Honorary diplomas in fact do not mean anything, but no one refuses them.

    Bad explanation
  • Overlock
    Overlock 21 February 2021 11: 42
    +21
    Quote: Dart2027
    Certificates of honor do not really mean anything

    Come on! The diploma of the ministry gives grounds to claim the title of "Labor Veteran" with the ensuing benefits
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 21 February 2021 15: 00
    0
    Quote: Overlock
    for the title of "Labor Veteran" with the ensuing benefits

    The ministers already have enough of them.
  • depressant
    depressant 21 February 2021 17: 45
    +1
    Add.
    Even under the “early” Putin, the Russian bureaucracy amicably and actively reached out to the nobility, and the generals marched there in formation. According to the official website of the Russian Imperial House, Colonel-General Valery Manilov became the first such "nobleman" among high-ranking Russian officials. On August 4, 2001, Maria Vladimirovna signed a certificate of awarding him with the Order of St. Anne, 1st degree. According to the pre-revolutionary statute of the order, this meant receiving hereditary nobility. For what merits the former member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and political worker acquired the nobility, "Imperial House" did not report ...
    One should not think that only officers are striving for the "new nobility". High-ranking civil servants, hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church and tycoons of domestic business willingly accept the false nobility from the hands of the self-styled "imperial majesty": Sergei Stepashin, chairman of the Accounts Chamber and Colonel-General, became a nobleman "according to the Most Mercifully awarded the Military Miracle of St. Nicholas on July 15, 2002 1st Art. " On December 23, 2008, “in rewarding services to the Fatherland and as a testament to OUR special benevolence,” the Order of St. Anna, 2nd degree, was awarded to the Chairman of the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation Vladimir Churov. In 2010, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak, a native of the village of Bandurovo, Gayvoronsky District, Kirovograd Region, became a Chevalier of Anna on the Neck. On May 12, 2009, Maria Vladimirovna presented a certificate and placed the insignia of the Order of St. Anna, 1st degree, on the head of the Presidential Administration of Russia Sergei Naryshkin. And this action took place “in the Kremlin in the building of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation .... All the top management of Norilsk Nickel fell into the nobility. In December 2009, Vladimir Potanin, the owner of a large stake in Norilsk Nickel, was awarded the Order of St. Anna, 2nd degree. At the same time, Oleg Pivovarchuk, first deputy, received Anna 3rd degree. CEO of Norilsk Nickel. And in 2010, Andrei Klishas, ​​the president of Norilsk Nickel, received an Anna on the Neck. The description of the awarding ceremony is very interesting: "After that, the head of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation, Sergei Evgenievich Naryshkin (holder of the same order, 1st degree) presented V.O. Potanin with a sword - a symbol of the nobility and service to the Fatherland."
    Governors are not deprived of pseudo-nobility. The first of them was awarded to Boris Gromov. The same "Nikolai" of the 1st degree was received by Vladimir Chub, who until 2010 was the head of the Rostov region. In 2007, the nobility made the governor of the Primorsky Territory Sergei Darkin happy with his wife and daughter. The governor of the Tula region Vyacheslav Dudka also became a knight of the Order of Nicholas the Wonderworker of the 1st degree ...
    Well, and so on.
    "Novye Izvestia"
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 22 February 2021 09: 57
    +1
    hi some kind of confusion ... My comment went higher. I hope you read.
  • depressant
    depressant 22 February 2021 10: 02
    +2
    Dima, good morning! )))
    I’ll look now.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 22 February 2021 09: 51
    +3
    hi you can add a lot more, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! For example, that an icon depicting her, her father in the German form of an SS Gruppenführer was accepted as a gift from Mary
    This was attended by representatives of the Administration of the Russian Federation
    You can also add that Nikolai2 deprived this branch of the succession to the throne in accordance with the articles of the RI LEGISLATION. And it is not clear that she was crowned at the same time ????????.
  • depressant
    depressant 22 February 2021 10: 06
    +3
    Yes, there is a whole epic with Maria's dad on the Internet - about his participation in the fascist filth. I have read it before. And about the fact that the English royal house is also smeared in the same. And these people and their descendants show us how to live ...
    Just words are not enough for all the richness of the Russian language!
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 22 February 2021 10: 33
    +3
    Quote: depressant
    Yes, there is a whole epic with Maria's dad on the Internet - about his participation in the fascist filth. I have read it before. And about the fact that the English royal house is also smeared in the same. And these people and their descendants show us how to live ...
    Just words are not enough for all the richness of the Russian language!

    But they are not me, those you mentioned are amazing. What can you expect from freaks? How could you accept the so-called icon and hang it? And after that, about the inadmissibility of revising the results? And the acceptance of the nobility when honoring H2? I’m talking about different human qualities, such as conscience, shame, .... I don’t remember.
    What recently? Libel trial?
  • Phil77
    Phil77 22 February 2021 11: 18
    +2
    Oh, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! You mean literary Russian, right? Yes, in it the expressions for the family you mentioned and the idiots who have issued themselves * nobility * will be regrettably little. But !!! good
  • depressant
    depressant 22 February 2021 11: 38
    0
    So you know what the matter is ...
    We are laughing, swearing, cursing them, vilifying them, taking their monarchical aspirations as an anecdote, and they shouldn't give a damn about it. They do not hear us, and if they remember us, then only as future slaves. Because they take their "nobility" seriously, preparing the ground for it. The most mournful thing is that the army is participating in the "noble" races. But as the army says, so be it. And if they are tired of Putin with his caution and slowness in making fundamental decisions, then, perhaps, for this reason too: well, he does not declare a monarchy, to which the highest ranks of the state so longed! And they lust. Including many former and current deputies of the State Duma, who managed to acquire those shameful letters. In the nineties, there was a line in the office of Zakatov, the secretary of the so-called imperial Russian house.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 22 February 2021 11: 46
    +1
    Well, not everything is so gloomy. Why would future complotors need these clowns? The conspiracy is a serious matter! And a real wolf will stand at the head (if it gets up?). If we talk about serious people.
  • depressant
    depressant 22 February 2021 12: 16
    +1
    Seryozha, well, you are an optimist! )))
    There will be one who "What will you please, sir?"
    Behind Putin's back they, I suppose, are now diligently agreeing among themselves who to put in his place. I think someone who will come to terms with the West, not China.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 21 February 2021 00: 07
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    Are there still those willing to rebel?
    Yes. In 1991 the Communist Party was sent. In 1917 they protruded well. Prior to that, the People's Will members blew imperial officials (by the way, there is a very real prospect that the same thing will start now if they continue to plant for rallies). And before that, the guards took off and put on monarchs for about a century.
  • Flooding
    Flooding 20 February 2021 09: 39
    -4
    Quote: Civil
    For example, in Switzerland, Germany ... google

    I don't want to offend you
    but you yourself are asking
    how can you be so ignorant of history?
    Switzerland has always had a special status
    wars bypassed her in recent history
    it makes sense to cite an exception to the rule
    Germany ... denazified Germany ... Germany, twice defeated in two world wars ... a country under American protectorate
    well yes. I asked - you answered without any ulterior motive
    BUT so that you look at the picture with both eyes - the army everywhere obeys the commander-in-chief. hierarchy and discipline are the basis of the army, its essence. The commander-in-chief almost everywhere is either within the party ruling structure or subordinate to it.
    so what is different with them?
    Quote: Civil
    And the Army is on the side of the strong, not on the side of the weak majority.
  • Civil
    Civil 20 February 2021 10: 31
    +3
    the army obeys the commander-in-chief everywhere. hierarchy and discipline are the basis of the army, its essence

    Namely, the essence of the army of the capitalist country of the 3rd world on bayonets is to hold the power of the next dictator.
    For example, the Red Army defended the power of the people. Until 1991 it fulfilled its mission.
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 20 February 2021 09: 28
    +2
    The army is on the side of the strong
    Namely, otherwise the people are surprised - why did the soldiers shoot the rioting peasants, in the gold mines in 1912 and further down the list up to Novocherkassk and shooting from tanks at the White House`91
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 21 February 2021 00: 11
      +2
      Tell Nicholas 2 this.
  • Overlock
    Overlock 21 February 2021 11: 40
    +23
    Quote: Flood
    Which way is it different?

    When Yanukovych was thrown off, the army didn't even make a sound
  • sniperino
    sniperino 20 February 2021 09: 53
    -6
    Quote: Flood
    If the slavishness is stronger than the desire to write, be silent.
    They do not struggle with their desires: for this they need a goal. And if there is not even a question, why live, there is only one question left, what to live on... Such people find a rich daddy for themselves, like a ventilator with covid: while it pumps air in them, you can live. How can they be silent if the daddy orders to write and can easily block the air. Realize his wildest fantasies.
  • lucul
    lucul 20 February 2021 10: 57
    -12%
    1. Previously, Stalin's profile was pricked on the chest, now they hang a portrait over the chair. And even before the king-father. Tradition.
    2. The split between the people and the elite is widening. The symbol of the latter is seen in portraits above the commanding chairs.
    3. They'll get bogged down and quiet. Children and grandchildren of slaves - genetics will take its toll.

    Clearly, in the comments, you can define Russians and God's chosen ones, the latter have a clear attitude, " Do not make yourself an idol ", they foaming at the mouth and defend it)))
  • Flooding
    Flooding 20 February 2021 12: 34
    +5
    Quote: Civil
    Children and grandchildren of slaves - genetics will take its toll.

    just yesterday he attacked an interesting video where a genetic scientist claims that behavioral genes have not been found.
    Civilian, the Nobel Prize is shining for you, no less.
  • veritas
    veritas 20 February 2021 17: 52
    +4
    Quote: Civil
    3. They'll get bogged down and quiet. Children and grandchildren of slaves - genetics will take its toll.

    Often your comments were to my liking. But then you got carried somewhere. Slaves cannot be winners, and we Russians are winners. We have always been and will be. And the fact that we are now controlled by crooks does not mean anything. This will pass and everyone will be punished.
    Russians are very patient, there is a drawback here, but also a great advantage, and as I see it, there are more advantages in this quality.
  • Private89
    Private89 22 February 2021 16: 44
    +1
    Here are my favorite passages from Mayakovsky:

    “Is it really about Lenin too:
    "The leader by the grace of God"?
    If he were regal and divine,
    I would not save myself from rage,
    I would be in the midst of the processions,
    worship and crowds across.
    I would find the words of the thunderous curse,
    and while I am trampled and my cry,
    I would throw blasphemies into the sky,
    I would throw bombs at the Kremlin: down with it! "

    “He is earthly, but not one of those who rests his eye on his trough.
    Covering the whole earth at once, I saw that
    that time is closed.
    He, like you and me, is exactly the same, only,
    maybe at the very eyes of thought
    more of ours are wrinkled with skin, and lips are more mocking and harder than ours.
    Not a satrapya's firmness, crushing you with a triumphant carriage, pulling the reins.
    He befriended his comrade with human affection.
    He stood up to the enemy more firmly. He knew
    weaknesses, familiar to us, as we are,
    overcame disease. Let's say
    billiards for me - I grow my eyes, chess for him - they are more useful for leaders. And from chess
    passing to the enemy in kind, into people
    having brought out yesterday's pawns in line,
    a workers' - human dictatorship over the prison capital tour. "

    “The city was robbing, fucking, grabbing, blocking
    cash register belly, and at the machines thin and hunchy
    the working class arose.
    And he was already threatening, blowing pipes into the sky:
    - We bridge the path to gold.
    We will give birth, we will send, will come someday
    man, fighter, punisher, avenger!
    - And clouds and smokes have already mixed,
    like privates of one regiment.
    Heaven becomes double
    the smoke clogs the clouds.
    Goods grow, high among the beggars.
    Director, bald devil, flipped the accounts,
    grunted: "crisis!" and posted the word "settlement".
    A speck of sweet flies,
    bread grain in elevators deteriorates,
    and under the windows of all the Eliseevs,
    belly letting down, unemployment trudged.
    And rumbled in the womb in the slums,
    covering the kids' cape:
    - For work, for a rifle eh, for̀ -
    both palms! Come intercessor
    and the payer! "

    “In the snows of Russia, in the delirium of Patagonia
    set the time sweatshops.
    Ivànov already at Voznesensk
    stone carcasses excite
    shouts of ditties:
    "Eh, you are my plant, plant,
    yellow eyes.
    Time is calling for the new
    Stenka Razin "

    “The palace was erected - you will not see such a thing!
    The artist is not alone! - shifted along the walls.
    Empire floor, rocoque ceiling,
    walls - Louis XIV, Catorza.
    Around, with a face that is equally good
    to be both face and buttocks, backward
    police. And the soul is deaf to paint and song,
    like flowers to a cow among the meadow.
    Ethics, aesthetics and other nonsense -
    just - his female servant.
    His both heaven and hell -
    sells old women nail holes
    the cross of the Lord and the tail feather of the holy spirit. "

    “- Listen, comrades!
    Look, brothers!
    Woe to the loners -
    learn from us!
    Explode together!
    Hit the party!
    Fist
    one
    gathering
    working class. -
    They will say: "We are the leaders", but themselves -
    shufflers? For speeches
    be able to recognize the skin!
    There will be a leader
    such,
    what little things are with us -
    bread is easier
    the rail is straighter.

    A mixture of classes
    ver,
    estates
    and adverbs
    on rubles wheels
    the land was moving.
    Capital
    a hedgehog of contradictions
    grew in full
    and crepe,
    using bayonets.
    Communism
    ghost
    prowled Europe,
    was leaving
    and again
    loomed in the distance ...
    All over therefore
    off the beaten track of Simbirsk
    was born
    ordinary boy
    Lenin. "
  • Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 20 February 2021 05: 53
    +8
    Perov "Hunters at Rest" is hanging in my boss's office.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 20 February 2021 07: 01
      +3
      It's easier to really not lie. Like hunters. And don't drink. February 23 is a sober holiday.
      You can hang a picture of KhojaNasredin and a donkey.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 February 2021 05: 54
    +23
    "I am under Putin ..."

    Novel! I have already seen how they cleaned themselves under ... And then with the same zeal they did:
    "I clean myself from Khrushchev ..."
    "I'm cleaning myself from Brezhnev ..."
    "I clean myself from Andropov ..."
    "I'm cleaning myself from Chernenko ..."
    "I clean myself from Gorbachev ..."
    "I clean myself from Yeltsin ..."
    "I clean myself from Medvedev ..."
    The time will come and:
    "I clean myself from Putin ..."
    It is necessary to write in the constitution if the law is not enough to think up the mind: all such "visual illustration" is acquired and installed at the expense of the "lover" and "admirer" himself, with confirmation of expenses in a paper version.
    I think this "idolatry" will pass quickly ... yes
    1. Yngvar
      Yngvar 20 February 2021 07: 17
      +27
      On the topic of "idolatry" - Mikhail Nikolaevich Zadornov suggested erecting monuments with removable heads!
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 20 February 2021 07: 38
        +3
        Idolatry isn't just about portraits.
        I'm surprised if at some meeting they put up a number of flags, 20 pieces each. The flag is a symbol of the state, it is clear to everyone, but why so many?
        But this is not only in Russia, and beyond the "hillock" they do this, especially in America, the example is contagious.
        It would be better to give the material to the same Africa, only in a neutral color. ))))) And then God forbid everyone would go in a star-striped one.
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 20 February 2021 08: 43
        +4
        Our district police officer, in his office, has a portrait of F.E. Dzerzhinsky. I think this is quite reasonable and worthy.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 20 February 2021 08: 52
      +36
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It must be written in the constitution,

      The constitution prescribed "welfare state", "the right to rallies" and where is all this? Subservience and "what you please" is now a ticket to the vertical. So they are trying.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 20 February 2021 09: 08
        +5
        Quote: Silvestr
        Servility and "what do you please" is now a ticket to the vertical. So they are trying.

        Sylvester! hi
        So it has long been known. It seems that they are drawing "morality" from the classics, but with a "-" sign:
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 20 February 2021 10: 36
        +13
        Quote: Silvestr

        The constitution prescribed "welfare state", "right to rallies" and where is all this?

        It's just that when more than two people get together .. it immediately shakes the throne .. here they are out of fear and canceled the rights ..
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 20 February 2021 11: 25
          +3
          Not a frequent case when I agree with the author. With his thesis that "maybe the new generation will change ..."
          So I want to believe that children and grandchildren will wake up in a country from which the West will not seem like something fabulous. What would the Germans come to us on excursions, and the Poles and Finns to work ...
      3. paul3390
        paul3390 20 February 2021 14: 21
        +4
        - How does the now fashionable expression "social lift" differ from the good old "career ladder"?
        - You climb the career ladder slowly, gradually, spending time and energy. In a social elevator, it's enough to know which button to press to take off. Well, and if you get stuck where - who to call to come to the rescue ...
      4. veritas
        veritas 20 February 2021 17: 55
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        The constitution prescribed a "welfare state"

        Once zeroed, the constitution means nothing, and even before that, it was regularly ignored. The constitution must have a guarantor.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 19
      +37
      Quote: ROSS 42
      "I clean myself from Khrushchev ..."
      "I'm cleaning myself from Brezhnev ..."
      "I clean myself from Andropov ..."
      “I clean myself from Chernenko ...

      laughing
      How they clean, if the portrait of the next tsar becomes a certificate or order, these portraits are REWARDED!

      request laughing
      Subservience, sycophancy! And in a simple way - stupidity and stupidity, lack of brains
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 21 February 2021 11: 47
        +21
        Quote: Silvestr
        these portraits are AWARDED!

        Depending on the size of the portrait, I propose to enter the degrees: 9x12 - 3 degrees, 18x24 - 2nd degree, and large sizes - 1 degree
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 February 2021 05: 56
    0
    Quote: marchcat
    I'd rather hang Shishkin's picture, dearer to my heart.

    A picture of Shishkin, exactly?
    1. Yngvar
      Yngvar 20 February 2021 07: 24
      +1
      Well, here you can, as in an old joke - put a photo of Byba Yaga in the buffet so that the children don't carry sugar ...
      Maybe officials "from the photo-looking" will be afraid and will not stop dragging from the budget and honestly fulfill their direct duties?
  • YOUR
    YOUR 20 February 2021 06: 07
    +1
    Quickly used the office to release, as not reliable
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 20 February 2021 06: 53
      +3
      Quote: YOUR
      Quickly used the office to release, as not reliable

      I have a portrait of Baron Munchausen in my office as a reminder that there are no hopeless situations. For years ... several. No one has any questions. Neither the management nor the charges. I didn’t “hang up” acting politicians in principle, although I have been using personal offices since the mid-90s. In different organizations. Loyalty was not counted anywhere from portraits. From this I conclude: all these conclusions about "a portrait as a guarantee of being in the office" are nonsense. An unusual picture on the wall can only arouse curiosity, such as "for what purpose exactly is this", no more and at the first visit. It's just that the author, who dislikes the country's leadership and the people of the country, such as "well, not Europe, education is not that, nothing can be done, such a people", it does not occur to the mind that someone might have sympathy for the President. Just sympathy, without pressure from above. Because they remember the 90s, see the 2000s and understand the role of the captain of this huge ship, surrounded by not friends at all. And Roman ... Well, Roman? I posted my personal opinion. Has the right to. Notice how long he has been exercising his right to express his opinion, which does not coincide with the general line of the ruling party, and does not feel bad. Largely due to the position of the person whose portraits he criticizes. How it could be, I think, using the example of a neighboring state is clear. Maybe not Roman? Well, that's his own business. Although he, by listing those imprisoned under corruption articles in his native Voronezh, confirms certain movements in this direction. The neighbors have not heard this very much. This is what I mean, frequent changes of presidents and governments are not at all a guarantee of the prosperity of order in the country. And this is my opinion, to which I, like Roman, have every right. And, here's another, about school politics. We're not going anywhere from her at school. For the issues of the state and its management systems are studied in the school curriculum. That is why it is necessary to teach children to understand politics, even at some initial stage. I really need it. At least in order to help them not to become puppets in someone's cunning and hostile hands. And so that no tension arises between children and the administrations of some schools, these administrations must explain the current life of the country without embellishment and drama to children in an intelligible form, without pressure and organized actions, and foster taste and a sense of proportion. Adolescence has always been a refuge for a certain amount of nihilism under all the authorities, and this should be taken normally and worked with it, and not sigh everywhere about the lost and crippled generation.
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 20 February 2021 07: 35
        +3
        Quote: Hagen
        I have a portrait of Baron Munchausen in my office

        I will never believe that you work in a state or municipal organization.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 20 February 2021 07: 50
          +3
          Quote: YOUR
          I will never believe that you work in a state or municipal organization.

          It is your right... laughing In fact, I have two portraits hanging on the walls of my office. One to the baron, the second to G.K. Zhukov. In the closets from the supply manager are portraits of EBN, VVP, and LADIES. But I never hung them up for reasons of Christian ethics (do not create idols for yourself). I somehow do not really care how someone relates to this. The attitude towards what I do at work is more important to me and to my superiors.
      2. stalki
        stalki 20 February 2021 08: 03
        0
        I have a portrait of Baron Munchausen in my office as a reminder that there are no hopeless situations. For years ... several. No one has any questions. Neither the management nor the charges. I didn’t “hang up” acting politicians in principle, although I have been using personal offices since the mid-90s. In different organizations. Loyalty was not counted anywhere from portraits. From this I conclude: all these conclusions about "a portrait as a guarantee of being in the office" are nonsense. An unusual picture on the wall can only arouse curiosity, such as "for what purpose exactly is this", no more and at the first visit. It's just that the author, who dislikes the country's leadership and the people of the country, such as "well, not Europe, education is not that, nothing can be done, such a people", it does not occur to the mind that someone might have sympathy for the President. Just sympathy, without pressure from above. Because they remember the 90s, see the 2000s and understand the role of the captain of this huge ship, surrounded by not friends at all. And Roman ... Well, Roman? I posted my personal opinion. Has the right to. Notice how long he has been exercising his right to express his opinion, which does not coincide with the general line of the ruling party, and does not feel bad. Largely due to the position of the person whose portraits he criticizes. How it could be, I think, using the example of a neighboring state is clear. Maybe not Roman? Well, that's his own business. Although he, by listing those imprisoned under corruption articles in his native Voronezh, confirms certain movements in this direction. The neighbors have not heard this very much. This is what I mean, frequent changes of presidents and governments are not at all a guarantee of the prosperity of order in the country. And this is my opinion, to which I, like Roman, have every right. And, here's another, about school politics. We're not going anywhere from her at school. For the issues of the state and its management systems are studied in the school curriculum. That is why it is necessary to teach children to understand politics, even at some initial stage. I really need it. At least in order to help them not to become puppets in someone's cunning and hostile hands. And so that no tension arises between children and the administrations of some schools, these administrations must explain the current life of the country without embellishment and drama to children in an intelligible form, without pressure and organized actions, and foster taste and a sense of proportion. Adolescence has always been a refuge for a certain amount of nihilism under all the authorities, and this should be taken normally and worked with it, and not sigh everywhere about the lost and crippled generation.
        I agree with everything that you have written. For me, the portrait on the wall in my personal account is purely personal motives and preferences. The author, of course, can express his opinion, but those who hang portraits have their own. At the expense of portraits in schools and public places, the head of the country has the right to popularity, even without his personal opinion and participation. If youthful maximalism struck one of the kids in the head, this does not mean that they have the right to such self-expression, they were not the ones who hung portraits for them to shoot. This online action is just an indicator of the lack of a proper cultural level among modern individuals. If you don’t like it, don’t look, submit an application to the administration, express your opinion in a "civilized" way not like in Europe.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 21
          +21
          Quote: stalki
          For me, the portrait on the wall in my personal account is purely personal motives and preferences.

          quite right
        2. Hagen
          Hagen 20 February 2021 16: 27
          +1
          Quote: stalki
          the portrait on the wall in your personal account is purely personal motives and preferences

          For all the time I worked in different positions, I have never faced the requirement to hang someone's portrait over my workplace. The only place where they hung up what was needed was the Leninist room in the company’s location. But that is quite another matter. Of course, in this case there must be a taste and a sense of place. As the commander of a PPS platoon, it would never have occurred to me to hang a portrait from the "Attention, wanted!" Stand on the wall. winked It would also be inappropriate to hang photos from a family album in your office, for example. You need to be friends with your head in any case and with any preferences.
      3. Wertgan
        Wertgan 20 February 2021 08: 52
        -10%
        The fact is that the "party policy" just coincides with the opinion of Roman. And, I suppose, Roman is just acting quite in line with this editorial policy. Putin is like a bone in their throat ... What can you do, this is an information war. And the overwhelming majority of the media are on the side of our "so-called partners", since they pay them. For example, the President personally cannot order Roman such an ideological article, since this is prohibited in the constitution.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 20 February 2021 09: 17
          +2
          Quote: WertGan
          The fact is that the "party policy" just coincides with the opinion of Roman

          I wrote about the politics of the ruling party. Fortunately, the editorial board of VO is not defined as ruling even in its own segment of the media. Although, she probably doesn't need it. (From a commercial point of view).
          Quote: WertGan
          The president cannot order Roman such an ideological article, since it is prohibited in the constitution.

          The President does not need this. I think he hardly knows about the presence of such a name in the media. Skomorokhov is not Soloviev, for example, by rating. Neither one nor the other impressed me with their styles of presenting positions, I just cite it without judgment, as a fact. To demonstrate the levels of possible interests in the figures from the media from the side of possible
          external customers.
          On account of the ongoing war (not to be confused with the oppositional views expressed) in the information field, I fully agree. Moreover, both sides are leading it. In my understanding of the work of the media, they should, under normal conditions, provide people with the information they are interested in correctly, as objectively and as convincingly as possible, in accordance with the ethics of the journalistic community. Today we have in the information space groupings striving by any means, including incorrect ones, to promote to the masses the point of view and value judgments of the beneficiaries standing behind them, seeking to push the deceived people to take practical actions in their interests.
          1. Wertgan
            Wertgan 24 February 2021 22: 19
            0
            That's right, and sometimes the media has more influence on people than the "ruling party". And from this point of view, Roman, it seems to me, works for a long time. Writes, writes ... Alarms the minds of the victim of the information war. I think that he writes not only at the behest of the heart
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 25
          +37
          Quote: WertGan
          the President himself cannot order Roman such an ideological article, since it is prohibited in the constitution.

          First, there is a crowd of helpful courtiers to "order"

          secondly, where is this prohibition written in the constitution?
          thirdly, in the coffin they saw this constitution
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 20 February 2021 15: 12
            -2
            Quote: Silvestr
            At first

            After in 1987 in the magazine "Yunost" they published Leonid Filatov's fairy tale "About Fedot the archer, a dashing fellow", written for the theater, the list of his admirers was replenished with one more famous person - Mikhail Gorbachev. Especially the President of the USSR liked the lines:

            In the morning I smear a sandwich -
            Immediately thought: what about the people?
            And the caviar does not climb into the throat,
            And the compote does not pour in the mouth.

            Read on WWW.KUBAN.KP.RU: https://www.kuban.kp.ru/daily/24417.4/588741/
        3. veritas
          veritas 20 February 2021 18: 00
          +1
          Quote: WertGan
          Im Putin like a bone in your throat

          Putin harms both the state and the peoples that make up him. He cannot offer anything new, and the old does not work. More precisely, it works not for the prosperity of the state, but for the prosperity of friends.
          1. Wertgan
            Wertgan 24 February 2021 17: 46
            0
            He cannot harm the state, by definition. Because it is he who keeps this state from further collapse. And first of all, the peoples in this state cannot offer it, because they prefer not to waste extra emotional forces on a less professional approach to assessing what is happening. It's much easier to criticize.
      4. Gardamir
        Gardamir 20 February 2021 09: 02
        +13
        remember the 90s,
        Maybe that's enough already ah? Your 90s. this is a kind of civil war, the transition from socialism to capitalism, then Putin would be the same as it was under Yeltsin.
        lay out your opinion that does not coincide with the general line of the ruling party, and does not feel bad
        Because the authorities understand that it is better to let people blow off steam on the Internet than go to the streets ..
        If only to help them not become puppets in someone's cunning and hostile hands
        Correctly empty will be puppets in the right hands.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 20 February 2021 09: 53
          +2
          Quote: Gardamir
          Maybe that's enough already ah?

          I gave my opinion. If you don't like it, don't read it. I am not guided by fantasies "what would have happened if ..." I remember what happened and how it happened. Including how it was in St. Petersburg at a time when Putin was engaged in economic relations with abroad. I was not thrilled. That is why I left there for Siberia. This is my experience. You have something of your own, and I do not shut your mouth like "enough already."
          Quote: Gardamir
          Because the authorities understand that it is better to let people blow off steam on the Internet than go to the streets ..

          In the baltics, 16 channels were closed, Sputnik journalists are imprisoned every quarter, so what? What makes you think that we will be different if we "close" all Echo of Moscow? If anyone makes some noise, it’s only in Brussels. If all VOs are closed in full, no one will go outside. I know this, you know, Mr. Smirnov knows ... (Putin is unaware of our presence laughing )
          Quote: Gardamir
          Correctly empty will be puppets in the right hands.

          "Outside hands" are never needed. Hands should be only our own, and only we ourselves should be the sources of our actions and consumers of the consequences of these actions. And children should be taught to do this.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 20 February 2021 10: 12
            +8
            I gave my opinion
            More precisely, you impose. I will not say that the merit of Brezhnev, not like in the forties.
            And to compare with the 90s, at least naive. I repeat once again, it was a transition, it could not be otherwise. And when the necessary rowers were seated in the galleys. They put things in order, for those who are needed. And since there is no one to clean up garbage in the country, even in the 90s there was no such thing. A blizzard in Moscow has already ended for a week, and we have snowdrifts in our yard. This was not the case in the 90s.
            Echo of Moscow is supposedly a tame opposition, through which the decisions needed by the Kremlin are pushed. People want to return Dzerzhinsky to the Lubyanka, and the Kremlin, through the echo, will push the princes ...
            "Outside hands" are never needed
            and whose hands are now in the ministers, in the governors? If, as it was rightly noted here, they go abroad for treatment, who is stopping them, raise health care to a foreign level. That's all his merits, the country is sliding into the 19th century. Some fantasy, ultra-modern rockets and gentlemen with slaves.
            1. vladimirvn
              vladimirvn 20 February 2021 12: 39
              0
              Quote: Gardamir
              Fantasy some, super-modern rockets and gentlemen with slaves.

              good
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 20 February 2021 13: 56
              -4
              Quote: Gardamir
              More precisely, you impose.

              Sorry, you have a confusion in your head. You are using terms that you only know what they mean but don't know. For example, you reproach me for imposing your opinion. In fact, imposition is an unwilling bending. And so on for all the topics that you touch. And about "transitions" and about "princes". You generally talk about the health care system, but you cannot evaluate it by definition. Having mentioned the 19th century, do you know something about it? Whine in the kitchen in Moscow, everything is not so for you ..... Whine further ... Did the snow fall more than the norm? Get out of the entrance, rake it off yourself, for nothing, out of a desire to make the world around you a better place. Maybe the mood will improve ...
            3. Vlad5307
              Vlad5307 21 February 2021 09: 23
              +1
              In my yard I could have thrown snow with my neighbors myself, but we are waiting for a Tajik with a broom and a shovel! laughing
      5. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 20 February 2021 09: 47
        +9
        Quote: Hagen
        Well, Roman? I posted my personal opinion. Has the right to. Notice how long he has been exercising his right to express his opinion, which does not coincide with the general line of the ruling party, and does not feel bad.

        And, mind you, not a trivial opinion. And not on one topic. Do not deign to tell me why - in your opinion ... The look of a person looking at the world from an office window since the mid-90s ... Not from the cabin of a tractor (electric locomotive, walking excavator, airliner, truck, or from a farm ( shopping arcade, gold mine, classroom, operating room, from an open-hearth furnace) - in general, from the inside of the life process.Why does he "sprinkle" articles every week and awakens the activity of the thinking process of his fellow citizens?
        And he shouldn't feel bad, because he and I, and many other citizens expected new ideas and decisive actions from the new face. Did you wait? What are we waiting for? (I will say to myself that I stopped expecting something from VVP after the words: "She drowned")
        What are you waiting for, what have you hatched? And you are trying to guide us on the right path - to wait for eggs from a chicken male, not the first freshness ...

        And now on the case. You can take a portrait of your idol and go to Khabarovsk - to prove your opinion and your innocence. You can come to the residents of this barrack:

        Or you can continue to lead from your office (you can from the bunker). It is now fashionable and safe for health.
        hi
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 20 February 2021 16: 50
          +2
          Quote: ROSS 42
          And, mind you, not a trivial opinion

          Where is it? Although for you it may not be trivial. But in fact, there is a completely objective indicator for assessing the novelty and freshness of a thought - the citation index. I have never seen references to the statements of Roman Skomorokhov.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          The look of a person looking at the world from an office window since the mid-90s ... Not from the cab of a tractor (an electric locomotive, a walking excavator, an airliner, a truck, or from a farm (a trading row, a gold mine, a classroom, an operating room, from an open-hearth ovens), - in general, from within the life process.

          I may disappoint you, but nothing is visible from the inside of life processes. And solely for this reason, Roman's articles may seem "not trivial." From the cab of the tractor / airliner, one can see orders of magnitude less than from the places where decisions are made about where to go for this tractor / airliner. The case is visible from the tractor, the System is visible from the office. And the higher the cabinet, the more it is visible. You are obviously far from management issues, because your vision and reasoning about life are somewhat simple.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          awakens the activity of the thought process in their fellow citizens

          I don’t know how you can awaken your thought process with a bunch of worn-out headlines and clichés. After all, he does not provide either figures or facts. Is that in the heading about aviation. In his early youth, when Roman traveled to the "locality", he had interesting articles. I read a couple of articles (not in VO). Not anymore. He writes without leaving the street. Emotionally? Yes. Interesting, informative? Unfortunately no.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          What are you waiting for, what have you hatched?

          Personally, I would like him to keep the System in balance, without revolutions. I decide everything else myself, to the best of my ability and understanding. I have plans, they are not about the bunker and not about Khabarovsk. I don't even understand why you are offering me this. Are you interested in wearing someone's portrait in Khabarovsk? Drive and carry ... And I wish you health too ... hi
        2. Wertgan
          Wertgan 24 February 2021 22: 14
          0
          What ideas do you expect from the president? Any ideas are ideology, and it is prohibited by our constitution. Therefore, the president gave an idea to change it. But the result was sabotage of both the authorities and the people of Russia. What other ideas are people waiting for? Change the first person? Is that all? No other ideas? It's very, very boring girls. And what about the boat ... She didn't drown or what? Or should he have uttered some special, exciting words? He didn't say it, so they didn't write to him, so he said what he said. And that's okay.
      6. sniperino
        sniperino 20 February 2021 12: 40
        +3
        Quote: Hagen
        Has the right to. Notice how long he has been exercising his right to express his opinion, which does not coincide with the general line of the ruling party, and does not feel bad. Largely due to the position of the person whose portraits he criticizes. How it could be, I think, on the example of a neighboring state is clear.
        In the USSR, I would write an explanatory note for the first case, and sign a protocol on the second.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 20 February 2021 16: 13
          +1
          The USSR would
          In the USSR, even crooks would not be dragged into power.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 20 February 2021 16: 47
            -4
            Quote: Gardamir
            crooks were not dragged into power

            Seriously?
          2. Hagen
            Hagen 20 February 2021 16: 54
            +3
            Quote: Gardamir
            In the USSR, even crooks would not be dragged into power.

            Did the party gold dissipate by itself? And all the production in the former RSFSR was snapped up at the loans-for-shares auctions by the Martians? You, for sure, spent the 90s in a coma or not in Russia. laughing
          3. veritas
            veritas 20 February 2021 18: 05
            +2
            Quote: Gardamir
            The USSR would
            In the USSR, even crooks would not be dragged into power.

            Under Stalin, yes, it was impossible. But starting with Khrushchev, more and more crooks began to infiltrate the government and, as a result, they destroyed the country and now rule.
          4. sniperino
            sniperino 20 February 2021 23: 18
            0
            Quote: Gardamir
            In the USSR, they would not have dragged swindlers into power
            I heard this sad story: while everyone was fighting with crooks, a traitor crept into power and surrendered the whole country to the crooks. Now the communists in the same ranks with the bulk, the State Department, the Ukronazis, the Rodnovers and the entire civilized world want to dump the bloody poisoner and his clique and quickly deal with each other: take everything away from the crooks, divide and live richly, freely and happily in the USSR2, similar to pictures from Singapore and well-groomed Europe. And the more you try, the more people see that all Russophobes today are together against Putin and against Russia. The majority is behind him, and this makes you worse, in fact, than from the pension reform, impoverishment, injustice and other routine reasons for your screams
          5. Wertgan
            Wertgan 24 February 2021 22: 20
            0
            Some kind of idealism
        2. veritas
          veritas 20 February 2021 18: 03
          +1
          Quote: sniperino
          In the USSR, I would write an explanatory note for the first case, and sign a protocol on the second.

          It is not correct to compare the rule of law and a state that lives according to "concepts", and not social concepts, but narrowly oriented ones.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 20 February 2021 18: 59
            +1
            Quote: veritas
            Compare the rule of law and the state

            Don't. In the USSR, the wrong-minded were raked by the law.
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 20 February 2021 23: 37
            +3
            Quote: veritas
            Quote: sniperino
            In the USSR, I would write an explanatory note for the first case, and sign a protocol on the second.

            It is not correct to compare the rule of law and a state that lives according to "concepts", and not social concepts, but narrowly oriented ones.
            This is another thing, I heard. Truth speaks through your lips. School would not be skipped, in general it would be normal.
  • Aleksey Aleksandrovich
    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 20 February 2021 13: 49
    -5
    At least hang Gagarin at home. And in government offices, I think the portrait of the president is appropriate.
    1. veritas
      veritas 20 February 2021 18: 05
      0
      Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
      At least hang Gagarin at home. And in government offices, I think the portrait of the president is appropriate.

      To a causal place?
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 21 February 2021 11: 51
      +20
      Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
      And in government offices, I think the portrait of the president is appropriate.

      What for? The law does not give this right
  • Alien From
    Alien From 20 February 2021 14: 51
    +3
    Tick ​​tock, flash mob, hype ........ is this Russia ????
  • veritas
    veritas 20 February 2021 17: 45
    0
    Quote: marchcat
    I'd rather hang Shishkin's picture, dearer to my heart.

    I have nothing against it when the leader of the nation or the leader, whatever you like, hangs in the offices of officials. But this must be a real leader, such as Stalin, for example. But Putin does not fit the leader's place. It is necessary to evaluate any politician by the result. A person endowed with such serious powers must bear an equally serious responsibility.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 20 February 2021 23: 43
      0
      Quote: veritas
      I have nothing against it when the leader of the nation or the leader, whatever you like, hangs in the offices of officials. But it must be a real leader
      Desktop gift. A smart and honest face of a real leader. If you are an official, hang it on your wall.
      And one more - into the car.
    2. Wertgan
      Wertgan 24 February 2021 22: 23
      0
      Obviously, on the contrary, it is suitable, since there is such rabid propaganda against him.
  • Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 20 February 2021 05: 46
    +5
    Navalny's portraits also do not hang for a long time.
    By the way, I don't even remember Burbulis.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 20 February 2021 05: 49
      +2
      Quote: Sergey Karasev
      Navalny's portraits also do not hang for a long time.
      By the way, I don't even remember Burbulis.

      disgusting character, and by the way, what's the story with the explosion of his yacht during the EBN?
      1. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 20 February 2021 05: 52
        0
        Didn't even hear. He somehow quickly disappeared at the very beginning of the 90s.
        1. alexey alexeyev_2
          alexey alexeyev_2 20 February 2021 06: 54
          +1
          He could not drink. Kvassil somehow with Yeltsin and drunk vomited into the ficus of his wife. She was offended and flew the gene from all posts.
    2. savage1976
      savage1976 20 February 2021 05: 59
      0
      Oh, do not shrug. Having come to power, no matter how he had to teach his autobiogrpfiyuin shubs and prostrate himself when laughing
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 20 February 2021 13: 06
        -2
        Quote: savage1976
        Oh, do not shrug. Having come to power, no matter how he had to teach his autobiogrpfiyuin shubs and prostrate himself when
        Your aim for one division has gone astray (shrugging, autobiography, shubok)), but in essence it is true: the rebellious soul of H, not being soothed by lithium or cocaine in time, could have embodied, under appropriate conditions, into a hysterical dictator demanding adoration and blood.
        1. savage1976
          savage1976 21 February 2021 02: 19
          +2
          It can be hard to type in a moving vehicle. It is not always possible to spend your life on forum communication.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 21 February 2021 11: 05
            0
            Quote: savage1976
            hard to type in a moving vehicle
            In criticism, the principle "a pig will find dirt everywhere" operates; try to match. yes It seemed to me that in your commentary, interesting content is slightly hidden behind an unsuccessful form, so I separated one from the other as best I could.
    3. Dmitriy69
      Dmitriy69 20 February 2021 06: 41
      -28%
      And in my opinion, portraits of Putin should hang in the presence of all subsequent presidents. This is a portrait of a man who pulled Russia out of the quagmire and returned to people a sense of pride in their country.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 20 February 2021 08: 14
        +40
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        And in my opinion portraits of Putin should hang under all subsequent presidents.
        This is a portrait of a man who pulled Russia out of the quagmire

        Then in the circle of his closest associates (like Marx, Engels and Lenin). Putin is not the only one who "pulled Russia out of the quagmire"! He did it with the Rotenbergs, with the Kovalchuks, with Medvedev, with Kudrin ... well, and the main person must not forget who put this Putin to us - Boris Yeltsin. And then the painting (in oil) will be complete!
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 21 February 2021 11: 38
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          in the circle of his closest associates ... Putin ... with the Rotenbergs, with the Kovalchuk, with Medvedev, with Kudrin
          Thought reader from a distance? Or there are some of their works, performances, of which they should be included in the category of like-minded people. It is in the group of sad commentators here one thought "Putin must leave!" It does not even sound for you, but beats like an irregular heartbeat, like the song of a hungry woodpecker.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 21 February 2021 13: 35
            +18
            Quote: sniperino
            Thought reader from a distance? Or there are some of their works, performances, of which they should be included in the category like-minded people.

            Do you think that Putin has nothing to do with them:
            Quote: Stas157
            He did this with the Rotenbergs, with the Kovalchuks, with Medvedev, with Kudrin ... well, and the main person should not forget who put this Putin to us - Boris Yeltsin.


            Quote: sniperino
            It is in the group of sad commentators here one thought "Putin must leave!" It doesn't even sound for you, but knocks like an irregular heartbeat, like the song of a hungry woodpecker.

            Based on your painful reaction, you might think that knocks on your head)))
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 21 February 2021 13: 42
              +2
              Quote: Stas157
              Do you think that Putin has nothing to do with them?
              From "to have something to do" to "to be like-minded" sometimes a lifetime is not enough, and you overcome this distance without batting an eye. The speed is supernatural: not hypersound, but hyperlight. Where to drive like that ...
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 21 February 2021 13: 53
                +19
                Quote: sniperino
                From “to have something to do” to “to be like-minded” sometimes a lifetime is not enough

                Do you consider them antipodes (opponents) to Putin? Their criminal wealth and power also did not come about thanks to the Guarantor ??
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 21 February 2021 14: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Do you consider them antipodes (opponents) to Putin?
                  What is really there to be ashamed of, "enemies" would have written to bring it to complete absurdity. A like-minded person and an antipode are metaphors, the abstract extremes between which the whole gamut of changing human ideas and relationships is located. If you, together with the State Department and the Ukronatsiki, oppose Putin, no one deduces from this fact that you are like-minded people. But it is obvious that at this point your interests coincide, and how it will turn further - life will show.
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 21 February 2021 14: 20
                    +18
                    Quote: sniperino
                    If you, together with the State Department and Ukronatsik, are speaking against Putin, nobody deduces from this fact that you are like-minded people.

                    I have nothing to do with the State Department and the Ukronatsik (and they have not even heard of me). But the oligarchs are on the same team with Putin. The difference is significant. Moreover. The oligarchs owe their immense and dishonest wealth to Putin. The connection is strong there, just not spill water. And you, in a closeness, are defending all this.
                    1. sniperino
                      sniperino 21 February 2021 14: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: Stas157
                      I have nothing to do with the State Department and the Ukrainian nationals.
                      This is not at all an obvious statement in a situation of obvious similarity in your interest in removing Putin from power after he removed the oligarchs from power. Putin had nothing to do with their enrichment in the 90s. You are confusing concepts: billionaires and oligarchs are completely different concepts, and in the overwhelming majority of cases, they are different people. The suspended ex-oligarch Khodorkovsky, the State Department and the Ukronatsiks have a clear common interest in this. Neither I nor you, I believe, have heard anything about the influence of Aven, Potanin and Fridman on the authorities. And I can admit your, albeit indirect, connection with Khodorkovsky, and you do not deny it (only with the State Department and the Nazis).
                    2. Stas157
                      Stas157 21 February 2021 15: 11
                      +19
                      Quote: sniperino
                      About the influence on the power of Aven, Potanin and Fridman, neither I nor you, I believe, nothing did not hear.

                      And about Putin's friends heard? They are all billionaires and oligarchs.

                      I'll tell you more! If Khodorkovsky and Berezovsky had not been so arrogant, but had come to an agreement with Putin, like the rest of Yeltsin's oligarchs, then these two would have been not in disgrace, but Hero of Labor of Russia, like Rotenberg. And they would simply be treated kindly by the authorities.

                      Quote: sniperino
                      To their enrichment in the 90s Putin had no relationship.

                      Under Putin, several times more billionaires have emerged. And you're all on 90-e blame!

                      Quote: sniperino
                      This is not an obvious statement at all in a situation of obvious similarity of your interest.

                      If the State Department and Ukronatsiki will act against the offender, then I should be evil to them for what ?? Come into adequacy.
                    3. sniperino
                      sniperino 21 February 2021 21: 58
                      +1
                      Quote: Stas157
                      If the State Department and Ukronatsiki will act against the offender, then I should be evil to them for what ?? Come into adequacy.
                      This is another connection between you, the State Department and the ukronatsik: you compare a person with a criminal without trial or investigation. Not just a person, but a guarantor of the stability of state power and the combat readiness of the Armed Forces. Coincidence? Whose "like-minded person" are you yourself? Although, the accomplice here is closer in meaning, because there is no thought here, but common interests are clearly present.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 20 February 2021 08: 47
    +20
    What quagmire? In which he and his kents drove Russia? What pride? For a cop, a warrior, a 40-year-old prosecutor's pensioner, and for a hard worker who died at 60, who contains all this shoblu? What should I be proud of? And yes, we have great victories on the international front. In Zasiria, they have won everyone for 5 years in a row, they have become friends with Venezuela, you can shove bags of cocaine.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 02
    +25
    Quote: Dmitriy69
    This is a portrait of a man who pulled Russia out of the quagmire and returned to people a sense of pride in their country.

    request
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 February 2021 09: 04
    +18
    portrait of a man who pulled Russia out of the quagmire
    Remind me of who he worked in the early 90s. He also created the St. Petersburg quagmire. Chubais, Sechin, Miller, Medvedev are all Putin's people.
    1. veritas
      veritas 20 February 2021 18: 07
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      portrait of a man who pulled Russia out of the quagmire
      Remind me of who he worked in the early 90s. He also created the St. Petersburg quagmire. Chubais, Sechin, Miller, Medvedev are all Putin's people.

      It is not clear here whether Chubais is Putin's man or Putin is Chubais's man.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 20 February 2021 10: 41
    +11
    Quote: Dmitriy69
    And in my opinion, portraits of Putin should hang in the presence of all subsequent presidents. This is a portrait of a man who pulled Russia out of the quagmire and returned to people a sense of pride in their country.

    And you can use numbers .. how did this person pull it out .. let's go through the priority tasks .. let's start with demography, economics, medicine and social sphere .. Can you indicate in which of the areas we got up from our knees?
    1. Wertgan
      Wertgan 24 February 2021 22: 32
      0
      Especially with demography ... Is it he that should fertilize (spiritually) future mothers? Who is to blame that the Russians do not want to multiply, but want to "get up", "get on their feet", "live for themselves"? If they want ... there's nothing you can do about it. We'll have to wait until they realize they are dying out. Then there will be no time to "get on your feet" and other consumption.
  • Revival
    Revival 20 February 2021 15: 34
    +6
    A sense of pride, you probably mean payments in the pass, Ukraine, the white flag of athletes or the size of the minimum month, pensions?
    1. veritas
      veritas 20 February 2021 18: 09
      +3
      Quote: Revival
      A sense of pride, you probably mean payments in the pass, Ukraine, the white flag of athletes or the size of the minimum month, pensions?

      Those who are overwhelmed with a sense of pride in the portrait of Putin, as a rule, people who do not suffer from lack of money are quite satisfied with how they have adapted. But there are fewer such people every year.
      1. Revival
        Revival 20 February 2021 20: 04
        -2
        And definitely a plus to spit on the poor, "my house is good, my house is on the edge", "my own shirt .." and so on
  • Wertgan
    Wertgan 24 February 2021 22: 27
    0
    Gorgeous! Pay attention to how many minuses you put for this statement! This is how the media rating system works. Needless to say, this system is manageable. I can admit that there is a certain circle of people who work as minusers. They read, follow, log in under different accounts ... They put downsides. Their goal is to form a specific information background. Bots, in a word.
    .
  • Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 20 February 2021 13: 34
    -2
    Burbulis-bubble in Latvian laughing .
    By the way, I don't even remember Burbulis.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 20 February 2021 07: 33
    +12
    - They smoke in the class, Nikita Pavlovich.

    - Since when did you become a sneak? - Nikita Pavlovich was surprised. - Who dares to smoke in class?

    - Tsar, - Styopka declared calmly and impudently.

    - Who, who?

    - The king smokes. Nicholas II.

    And indeed. A portrait of the king hung in the classroom.

    Someone, apparently Styopka, made a hole in the king's mouth and inserted a lighted cigarette there.

    The king smoked. We all burst out laughing. Nikita Pavlovich too. Suddenly he became unusually serious and raised his hand. We quieted down.

    - Romanov Nikolai, - exclaimed the teacher solemnly, - get out of the class!

    The king was thrown out the door.
    1. AUL
      AUL 20 February 2021 19: 21
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      The king was thrown out the door.

      Leo Kassil. Conduit and Schwambrania.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 20 February 2021 23: 59
        +1
        Alexander hi And some did not like the allegory! Ha ha!
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  • Destiny
    Destiny 20 February 2021 07: 34
    +10
    According to the law on state symbols, symbols are coat of arms and flag.

    This is what should be in every office and not only among officials, but also in school ones.
    1. Civil
      Civil 20 February 2021 12: 05
      +2
      Quote: Destiny
      According to the law on state symbols, symbols are coat of arms and flag.

      This is what should be in every office and not only among officials, but also in school ones.

      Honor and Conscience should be in the offices, the coat of arms and the flag are symbols of the people, and not the bureaucrats who bought their position.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 20 February 2021 07: 59
    +6
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    are Yeltsin and Burbulis
    Also a kind of Navalny, only their portraits will not occur to anyone in their right mind to hang on the wall.

    Like Putin. Well, if sane ..
    1. dSK
      dSK 20 February 2021 08: 20
      +3
      "Not faithful in small things, will not be faithful in big things" ...
    2. veritas
      veritas 20 February 2021 18: 13
      0
      Quote: Svarog

      Like Putin. Well, if sane ..

      It has nothing to do with the mind. Lack of conscience and disregard for the law, as well as confidence in impunity. Here is a portrait of an official who hangs a portrait of the leader of this lawlessness.
  • AUL
    AUL 20 February 2021 09: 07
    +7
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    No one in their right mind would ever think of hanging their portraits on the wall.

    However, the Yeltsin Center in E-burg stands, does not swing! They say that the second in Moscow is on its way ...
    1. veritas
      veritas 20 February 2021 18: 16
      +1
      Quote: AUL
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      No one in their right mind would ever think of hanging their portraits on the wall.

      However, the Yeltsin Center in E-burg stands, does not swing! They say that the second in Moscow is on its way ...

      They want to make Yeltsin the banner of the liberals. And with such propaganda and education, it will probably be possible in a generation. Although at one time these figures would have hung a sign - the enemy of the people.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 20 February 2021 10: 07
    -1
    "Everyone chooses for himself
    Woman, religion, road,
    Everyone chooses for themselves
    The devil serves or the prophet
    Everyone chooses for himself ".... hi
    better not tell hi
  • Vend
    Vend 20 February 2021 11: 14
    -5
    I think whoever hangs will take it off, and such children's initiatives should be punished.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 22 February 2021 07: 05
    -1
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    are Yeltsin and Burbulis
    Also a kind of Navalny, only their portraits will not occur to anyone in their right mind to hang on the wall.

    At the beginning of the century, he began to get a job: in one firm, the director sits under the portrait of Nikolai2, in the other, near Peter1, someone has a portrait of the Patriarch in his office ...
  • Flooding
    Flooding 20 February 2021 05: 30
    +3
    And children are children. They sense lies and falsehoods, they do not want to love Putin, because "if only it weren't worse", because "there is nobody else" and so on. They naively believe that they can change something.

    Yes, children are like that.
    Therefore, it is not customary to deceive and use them.
    I wonder if it is possible to use children as an indicator of the honesty and decency of this or that character?
    Starting from the time of the children's crusades and ending with children with fausts in their hands on the streets of Berlin.
    No, children cannot be led on chaff.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 20 February 2021 10: 51
      +5
      And what is the youth army? It seems to me that this is the worst re-carnation of the Hitler Youth.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 20 February 2021 10: 59
        -3
        Quote: Free Wind
        And what is the youth army? It seems to me that this is the worst re-carnation of the Hitler Youth.

        questions immediately arose:
        - what is this youth army doing that caused such bad associations in you?
        - who or what seems to you not the most bad reincarnation of the Hitler Youth? because if there is first place, then there are second and third
        - and there is also a good reincarnation of the Hitler Youth? Since you have introduced comparative degrees of reincarnation into circulation, then perhaps it is so
        - what does this have to do with the topic under discussion? do you also disagree with Skomorokhov?
  • Comrade
    Comrade 20 February 2021 05: 35
    +14
    Yes, in Europe and overseas, you can easily see a bust or a portrait on the table of an official. But what ... For the Germans, this is traditionally Bismarck. For the Americans, this is Lincoln. For many of the British commonwealth, this is the queen.

    Roman, why are you fantasizing?
    I have been living in Canada for a long time, I have been to various institutions, but I have never seen the Queen anywhere - neither portraits nor busts. Only on money, and even then not on all.
    Here is the prime minister of the country in a working setting, where does he have the image of the queen?

    Officials in their offices usually have children in frames, children's drawings, or nothing at all.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 20 February 2021 05: 44
      +15
      Which is again commonplace for Russia. Unfortunately.

      All this "idolatry" is not so disgusting as it is burdensome on the budget. It's not for their own money that they paint, sculpt and hang they are attached to the walls ... But nothing new has been invented. And so you can immediately see whose person is sitting at the table, and on occasion it will be more convenient when:
      How do you imagine whether to a little cross, to a place,
      Well, how not to please the little man! ..

      yes
      1. veritas
        veritas 20 February 2021 18: 17
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        All this "idolatry" is not so disgusting as burdensome on the budget.

        The chapter sets an example. They do not spare money for the image. The head of state costs a year like the budget of a city with a million population.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 20 February 2021 08: 36
      +5
      Quote: Comrade
      Here is the prime minister of the country in a working setting, where does he have the image of the queen?

      It is he who is talking at home by conference call.
      And here is his office
      1. Asad
        Asad 20 February 2021 13: 37
        0
        Yes, not very chic, my boss is cooler!
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 February 2021 15: 03
          -1
          Quote: ASAD
          Yes, not very chic, my boss is cooler!

          Modest but tasteful.
          I just lack such modesty for inspiration.
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 20 February 2021 05: 39
    -23%
    There should be a portrait of the President of the Russian Federation in any scenario, if we want the State and not the outskirts. The surname is secondary, but in general, Putin is not ashamed, at least in comparison ...
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 20 February 2021 05: 53
      -17%
      Quote: arhitroll
      in general, Putin is not ashamed, at least in comparison ...

      For me, he is also a moral and professional authority. And photos of children and families should be kept at home, and not displayed. What belongs to me is dearer to me than anything else and not for show.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 20 February 2021 06: 50
        +16
        Quote: Balu
        For me, he is also a moral and professional authority.

        Authority? belay Do you also fail to keep your promises? Do you also "swallow" when your orders are "pedaled" by your subordinates? wink
        According to the article, I personally do not mind the portrait of the country's leader hanging on the wall. But it should be a Leader, a leader if you like, but not a moth that quietly drains the country.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 20 February 2021 07: 36
          -10%
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Balu
          For me, he is also a moral and professional authority.

          Authority? belay Do you also fail to keep your promises? Do you also "swallow" when your orders are "pedaled" by your subordinates? wink
          According to the article, I personally do not mind the portrait of the country's leader hanging on the wall. But it should be a Leader, a leader if you like, but not a moth that quietly drains the country.

          Politics, like medicine and diplomacy, are the art of the possible, especially in such a large country, which is squeezed from all sides by sworn partners. What are we all about GDP? Can you tell us about yourself, what achievements, education, experience you have, what did you personally do for the country to finally have order? A hundred years ago, the lumpen demolished everything to the ground under the leadership of zaslants like Sverdlov and Trotsky, and who created? Pros, patriots, just did their job honestly and conscientiously.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 February 2021 13: 45
            +7
            Quote: Balu
            Tell us about yourself

            I work, I pay taxes, one of the largest in the world, and in the richest country. So it's not about the reel, but about ....... in the cockpit! wink And it's good to remember what happened a hundred years ago, I know, I agree, but a hundred years have passed, not a week. And after that the country won the war, and flew into space. With the same success, you can remember the Polovtsy and the Khazars.
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 20 February 2021 15: 26
              -9
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              I work, I pay taxes

              So do I. But I still remember the EBN speech in Washington, compare with the VVP speech in Munich. It is not easy to govern a country. And what does the navralny offer? What cases were initiated, did he turn to the prosecutor's office? He and the wise were offered to work in the Duma. Once we went down, they lit up in the box and that's it. They were not interested in lawmaking. What does Lech live on? How does he differ from those against whom? The fact that the Babaos throw up from behind the fence, and tell who to bark at. Every year, dozens of representatives of the special services, including generals and other rulers, sit down on corruption charges. Don't just rake the legacy of the 90s. Help if you know how. And to spit from the couch is the easiest way, it seems like you feel like a hero. laughing
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 20 February 2021 08: 44
          -9
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          But it must be a Leader, a leader if you like, but not a moth that quietly drains the country

          You do remember well the times before Putin.
          Everything is relative.
          For me, not an idol and not a role model.
          But if they ask me what I think about Putin, then I will try to be objective, not emotional.
          Because I remember which railway the country went to under Yeltsin.
          And I would say that to be honest, it is difficult to characterize it unequivocally.
          Unlike Yeltsin or Gorbachev.
          Are you for the truth?
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 32
            +32
            Quote: Flood
            Because I remember which railway the country went to under Yeltsin.
            And I would say that to be honest, it is difficult to characterize it unequivocally.

            this period is beyond doubt - thank you! But further! If he left then, he would remain in Russian history as Peter I. As Stirlitz said ..

            And his last "phrases": pension reform, the impoverishment of the population, the defeat of education and health care, corruption ... Where are the "May decrees". Zin?
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 20 February 2021 09: 42
              -5
              Quote: Silvestr
              this period is beyond doubt

              and then Putin's rule could be assessed unequivocally positively.
              Quote: Silvestr
              And his last "phrases": pension reform, impoverishment of the population, the defeat of education and health care, corruption

              taking into account the subsequent and wrote: it will definitely not be possible to evaluate it.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 20 February 2021 10: 28
                +25
                Quote: Flood
                Navodlom Today, 09:42
                0

                Quote: Silvestr
                this period is beyond doubt

                and then Putin's rule could be assessed unequivocally positively.
                Quote: Silvestr
                And his last "phrases": pension reform, impoverishment of the population, the defeat of education and health care, corruption

                taking into account the subsequent and wrote: it will definitely not be possible to evaluate it.

                I do not argue, but Stirlitz was RIGHT! A fly in the ointment in a barrel of honey!
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 February 2021 13: 40
            +4
            Quote: Flood
            Because I remember which railway the country went to under Yeltsin.

            And now? It rolls the same way, slower, but rolls. And if you consider the fact that it rolls longer, w_pa is much bigger now. For comparison, I propose to compare the number of closed enterprises, kindergartens, schools, hospitals during the reign of Yeltsin and Putin. And the results are not in favor of the latter, believe me. If Yeltsin destroyed the country roughly and quickly, Putin is doing it slowly and surely.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 20 February 2021 15: 21
              -4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And now? It rolls the same way, slower but rolls

              It is difficult to understand what is shown in the picture if you look only at a fragment of it.
              I am not saying that Putin is good.
              I wrote exactly what I wrote: there have been significant successes, which are gradually leveled out by later failures.
              But at that time, not everyone could have stopped the eaonomics, which was rolling down a slope. As well as stopping the war in Chechnya.
              Now Putin is not the same. But this does not negate his past merits.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And considering the fact that it rolls longer, w_pa is much bigger now

              And you do not seem to pretend to be objective. This could have been written by a boy not familiar with the 90s. But you are that.
            2. veritas
              veritas 20 February 2021 18: 20
              +5
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Putin is doing this slowly and surely.

              I used to watch his performances often. He always emphasized that everything should be done gradually and slowly. But as it turns out, he said this not to people, but to his "friends" and meant that the robbery should be done slowly, without aggravating.
          3. paul3390
            paul3390 20 February 2021 14: 13
            +6
            Unlike Yeltsin or Gorbachev

            You see, this couple dropped the politician's rating so low that, compared to them, even my cat, who just brazenly stole sausage from the table, is the standard of honesty, incorruptibility and statesmanship ..

            Let's still compare the noneshnyh leaders with the highest bar - with Comrade Stalin. For this is where all the misery comes into the light of God ..
          4. Baloo
            Baloo 20 February 2021 18: 51
            +3
            Quote: Flood
            Are you for the truth?

            The young and daring want freedom and revolutions, and those who feed them, give them water, and get them to school - stability.
            sad
        3. mark2
          mark2 20 February 2021 09: 35
          -6
          Do you also fail to keep your promises?

          Do you keep promises yourself? Start with yourself.
          This year marks 30 years since the moment when the entire people, who swore allegiance to the country from an early age, did not keep their oaths or their promises. Let me remind you: about following Lenin's cause and about protection from external and internal enemies. So what do you want now? You, we have betrayed our country. And this is not the first time. How many things have happened in the history of the Russian State?
          Do you also "swallow" when your orders are "pedaled" by your subordinates?

          So it's just you for insubordination can be kicked in the ass from work and you will wipe out, channeling your hatred on the forums.
          Behind every minister of any rank is a force that will simply lead to casualties. And now, despite the fact that a lot does not work out, but still, the same thing is moving. Just don't look at it from the standpoint of personal gain. For your sake, the President will not even raise an eyebrow. He has 146 million.
          You can, of course, remember that Putin is the Supreme, and give him only an order ... And then we remember the war in Chechnya. Dudayev did not share something with Yeltsin's entourage. The result is known.
          If you know how to do it, if you are ready to lead the people who will react with hatred for every failure of yours, forgetting about the moments of loss, then move forward, prove that you are the one. And not in words, but in deeds.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 20 February 2021 09: 45
            -2
            Quote: mark2
            Do you keep promises yourself? Start with yourself

            I wanted to ask Ingvar the same question.
            We are not all angels, what is really there.
            But then it was thought that with larger and more demand. And if I were in the place of the leader of the country, I would ask myself many times more.
            But on the whole I agree with you. It all starts with questions to yourself.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 February 2021 13: 56
            +9
            Quote: mark2

            Do you keep promises yourself?

            I keep my promises. Or I don’t promise what I’m not sure of. And I don't need to tell about the "difficult" ministers - look through their biographies, they are all from Putin's team, friends, colleagues, neighbors, classmates. This is his (!) Team, and not henchmen of an unknown dark force.
            About peaceful Chechnya, as Putin's achievement is also not needed, there is now a ready-made emirate, with a XNUMX% Chechen population, which will fall off in the event of a political cataclysm. Chechnya lives only on subsidies from the budget, at our expense, due to the disorder in our cities, skyscrapers and the largest mosques in Europe are being built there.
            Oh, not for this, our boys there shed blood, oh not for that.
            1. mark2
              mark2 20 February 2021 14: 28
              -4
              And for the "difficult" ministers, I do not need to tell -

              I'm not telling you about them. I'm telling you that you can't just kick a chela at the level of a minister. This is a long and painstaking work. Otherwise it will be blood. The blood of his supporters and opponents. Even now, for the crook and swindler Navalny, people are ready to fight with the riot police. And for what? The fact that they are friends and classmates of the President, then ask yourself a question, who would you recruit? The smartest and most professional? Then they will replace you quickly. Recruit loyal ones. This is the law of power.
              there is now a ready-made emirate, with a XNUMX% Chechen population, which will fall off during a political cataclysm

              What are your suggestions? Let them go? And then there will be Tatars, then Yakuts, then Crimea. Are we going to let it go until Russia shrinks to Moscow? Or do you immediately offer to disperse them with the power of the same guys? On this issue, everyone is just raving about subsidies. Yes, we have about 70 regions on subsidies. This is an economic system.
              Oh, not for this, our boys there shed blood, oh not for that.

              Of course not for that. They fought for the interests of the group near Yeltsin. But they were not told about it. And we were not told. But they explained that for the integrity of Russia. And the integrity is respected.
              Well, let's not feed Checheya and 70 more regions? How is your region, subsidized or donor?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 20 February 2021 17: 13
                0
                Quote: mark2
                What are your suggestions? Let them go?

                Yes, let the sausage roll.
                Quote: mark2
                Yes, we have about 70 regions on subsidies. This is an economic system.

                Who's stopping you from changing it?
                1. mark2
                  mark2 20 February 2021 20: 18
                  +3
                  So you answer who is stopping YOU from changing? To obtain such a rating in two years, one must be able to adjust. Surprised that they are so cunning and not in the government.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 20 February 2021 20: 26
                    -2
                    Quote: mark2
                    So you answer who is stopping YOU from changing? Surprised that they are so cunning and not in the government.

                    Here it is that interferes, and no one will let me, the sivolapy, go there.
                    Quote: mark2
                    To obtain such a rating in two years, one must be able to adjust.

                    Almost six years. And he did not change his positions.
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 20 February 2021 20: 59
                0
                Quote: mark2
                The smartest and most professional? Then they will replace you quickly. Recruit loyal ones. This is the law of power.

                But then you ask yourself a question - what are the goals of the Supreme? wink After all, loyal ones always (!) Fulfill the will of the Supreme.
                1. mark2
                  mark2 21 February 2021 09: 31
                  0
                  After all, loyal ones always (!) Fulfill the will of the Supreme.

                  Loyalty is not always complete submission. A man can be forced, and this is an option for sivolaphs. You can make a deal with a person. This is just for those who are at the level of a minister.
                  And about Putin's goals, ask the clowns in yellow robes on this site. You voted for them here. They know exactly all the goals of Putin's policy, and only their self-determined struggle in the Internet space did not allow these plans to come true.
                  My opinion is simple. Putin is just a counterweight to the oligarchs and the liberd.
                  And the slaves still think that if the president, then the most important. The vertical of power in their dull brains is crammed with mother's milk. And it's useless to explain anything!
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 21 February 2021 11: 19
                    0
                    Quote: mark2
                    Putin is just a counterweight to the oligarchs and the liberd.

                    Putin is liberda. And moreover, it is absolutely not independent.
                    1. mark2
                      mark2 21 February 2021 15: 16
                      +2
                      Putin is liberda

                      Well yes. It is your opinion. And you personally feel bad about it? Warm, bright, with a computer, well fed, day off, no need to go to a rally, no need to glorify the great Leader.
                      If you want to work, you don't want to work. Money can be eaten wherever you go. Business please. Even stupid antics on tiktok can be made.
                      What are you all missing here? Highly developed, technologically advanced Russia? Who is stopping you from doing this? Forward and with a song. And I know what's stopping you. But I will answer that no one forbids.
                      In short, if right now, Putin or someone else will start to put things in order as most fans of the USSR want here, but who did not fall into the period of establishing that order,
                      Then none of you will ever live to see order. Purely by age. But you will feel the consequences of the period of its guidance immediately.
                      Think why?
                      I am for evolution. Putin will leave sooner or later. The country's development continues. Those who whine that everything is bad do not know what they say. They just want to believe it. And believers are hard to convince. Themselves will be transferred.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 35
        +21
        Quote: Balu
        And photos of children and families should be kept at home, and not displayed.

        everyone decides for himself, but in this case I agree with you.
      3. Asad
        Asad 20 February 2021 15: 40
        0
        I will support who knows who is there staring at your relatives.
      4. Wertgan
        Wertgan 24 February 2021 22: 35
        0
        Please note that if the post as a whole is for the President, then he will have a lot of disadvantages. If against, it will be on the contrary, there are many advantages. This is how the propaganda rating machine and its bots work.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 20 February 2021 07: 28
      +11
      Quote: arhitroll
      There should be a portrait of the President of the Russian Federation in any scenario, if we want the State
      And how is the State connected with the portrait of the president on the wall? The article is written about this, in the West the state I feel quite comfortable (much better than Russia), but there hardly anyone has a portrait of Trump, Merkel, Johnson or Macron.
      Quote: arhitroll
      in general, Putin is not ashamed, at least in comparison ...
      Compared to whom? With Yeltsin who appointed him?
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 20 February 2021 09: 17
        -1
        Quote: Greenwood
        And how is the State connected with the portrait of the president on the wall? The article is written about this, in the West the state I feel quite comfortable (much better than Russia), but there hardly anyone has a portrait of Trump, Merkel, Johnson or Macron.

        By and large, you are right.
        But in the East it is somewhat different. In the same China, for example.
        But Russia has never been a European power. It is necessary to approach the issue in the context of historical traditions.
        Imagine the first half of the 20th century, a village in the outback. Radio at its best. Then the portraits of the leaders carried a certain function.
        In moderate, not overdose, it looks decent and acceptable.
        And bureaucrats must be weaned from honoring and accustomed to worshiping people.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 21 February 2021 15: 43
          -3
          Quote: Flood
          But in the East it is somewhat different.
          So so excuse. In Central Asia, so in general, through one king, they sit with a cult of personality and unlimited power and at the same time a poor population. This is not the path that Russia should have.
          Quote: Flood
          In the same China, for example.
          China is following the path of the USSR and has even overtaken it in many issues.
          Quote: Flood
          It is necessary to approach the issue in the context of historical traditions.
          It depends on what traditions. We definitely don't need pre-revolutionary traditions in the 21st century.
          Quote: Flood
          Imagine the first half of the 20th century, a village in the outback. Radio at its best. Then the portraits of the leaders carried a certain function.
          We have long gone from this, now is the era of high technologies and global access to information. In contrast to the first half of the 20th century, now people know perfectly well what is happening abroad, and are not in an information vacuum. Accordingly, people quite reasonably ask questions why certain purely positive phenomena practiced abroad are not being introduced in Russia.
          Quote: Flood
          In moderate, not overdose, it looks decent and acceptable.
          And bureaucrats must be weaned from honoring and accustomed to worshiping people.
          I believe that there should be a regular turnover of power, regular debates and complete transparency in the work of officials and the president, coupled with a bunch of restrictions imposed on them and their families. This is exactly the approach that should be and it is the advantages of such an approach that should inspire children in schools, and not tell them about the king, without whom Russia will immediately collapse (which already raises questions about the built system, imprisoned for one person).
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 21 February 2021 15: 45
            0
            Quote: Greenwood
            So so excuse

            the naughty children in the garden are justified.
            and who or what should I justify?
            you need to be able to - from the first line to set such a tone that immediately the desire to read disappears.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 22 February 2021 08: 13
              -3
              Quote: Flood
              the naughty children in the garden are justified.
              and who or what should I justify?
              What do you call it? For me, it is just an excuse or an attempt thereof. You may not think so, but this is how it looks from the outside. Referring to the East, justifying the nepotism, bribery and corruption prevailing in our country, is not the best idea. Moreover, even in the East there are developed Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, where they have successfully fought against this.
              Quote: Flood
              you need to be able to - from the first line to set such a tone that immediately the desire to read disappears.
              Well, nobody forces you. Discussions in the comments to articles very often slide into openly hostile and negative, and it is your right to continue it or stop it. In the end, there was no negative on your part from me. There is a negative only in relation to the position of justifying Russian lawlessness, but it has no justification.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 22 February 2021 08: 26
                -1
                Quote: Greenwood
                What do you call it? For me, this is an excuse or an attempt thereof

                Any justification for this or that phenomenon with your logic can be called an excuse.
                Quote: Greenwood
                You may not think so, but this is how it looks from the outside.

                So far, only from your side and from no one else.
                Quote: Greenwood
                There is a negative only in relation to the position of justifying Russian lawlessness, but it has no justification.

                Stupidity on stupidity.
                I did not justify lawlessness.
                And it was about portraits.
                Which the law does not yet prohibit.
                All the best.
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 22 February 2021 10: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Flood
                  Any justification for this or that phenomenon
                  And where did you substantiate anything? I have not seen any sane arguments.
                  Quote: Flood
                  While
                  Are you waiting for another 100500 comments from 100500 people so that there is no "bye"?
                  Quote: Flood
                  And it was about portraits.
                  The portrait of the prince at school is a sign of an imposed cult of personality, which from childhood is confused to exalt in the eyes of children. It is unacceptable. There is no place for politicians at school.
                  Quote: Flood
                  Which the law does not yet prohibit.
                  Each new ruler rewrites our law for himself, and each politician of a lower rank interprets in his own way.
                  Quote: Flood
                  All the best.
                  Have a nice one you too.
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 22 February 2021 10: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    And where did you substantiate anything?

                    Quote: Flood
                    Russia has never been a European power. It is necessary to approach the issue in the context of historical traditions.

                    Quote: Greenwood
                    I have not seen any sane arguments.

                    I admit, from your bump my arguments seem insane.
                    But your bump is not one, there are thousands of them.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Are you waiting for another 100500 comments from 100500 people so that there is no "bye"?

                    I expect adequacy from the interlocutor. which will not claim to be the only correct point of view.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    The portrait of the prince at school is a sign of the inculcated cult of personality, which from childhood is confused to exalt in the eyes of children. It is unacceptable. There is no place for politicians at school

                    You are not careful from the start.
                    I have already spoken about this
                    Quote: Flood
                    In moderate, not overdose, it looks decent and acceptable.
                    And bureaucrats must be weaned from honoring and accustomed to worshiping people.

                    I remembered portraitomania only because you reproached me for justifying iniquity.
                    It was ridiculous and stupid.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 39
        +35
        Quote: Greenwood
        In the West, the state feels quite comfortable (much better than Russia), but there hardly anyone has a portrait of Trump, Merkel, Johnson or Macron.

        you need to start with yourself, beloved

    3. Pilot
      Pilot 20 February 2021 07: 38
      +9
      Quote: arhitroll
      Should hang a portrait
      wassat
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 20 February 2021 08: 03
      +27
      Quote: arhitroll
      There should be a portrait of the President of the Russian Federation in any scenario, if we want the State and not the outskirts. The surname is secondary, but in general not ashamed of Putin

      You're shameless!
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 06
      +35
      Quote: arhitroll
      There should be a portrait of the President of the Russian Federation in any scenario, if we want the State and not the outskirts.

      Rave. How many portraits of Yanukovych hung in the offices, but this did not save him. And then, what is the logical connection between the portrait and Ukraine?
      Quote: arhitroll
      but in general, Putin is not ashamed, at least in comparison ...

      Comparison with whom, specify?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 20 February 2021 09: 19
        +25
        Quote: Silvestr
        Comparison with whom, specify?

        Compares with the one who is worse. Well, not with the best! Probably with a drunk. Do we have someone worse than that? Anyone can be compared with that - it will seem like an angel.
    6. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 February 2021 09: 08
      +2
      if we want the State
      You personally may want anything, but the impression is that the word state is prohibited in modern Russia. For some reason we are federal, as if under America.
    7. New Year day
      New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 29
      +28
      Quote: arhitroll
      but in general, Putin is not ashamed, at least in comparison ...

      compare ...

  • tasha
    tasha 20 February 2021 05: 39
    +11
    Trying to remember whose portraits were in the school of the 80s? Pushkin was, Tolstoy, Chekhov and Lomonosov. Lenin is in the room where the council of the squad met. Pioneer Heroes ...
    Portraits of members of the Politburo were on sticks and lay in the "closet behind the assembly hall" between demonstrations .. And they didn’t seem to hang in the classrooms .. Or did they hang, who remembers?
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 20 February 2021 05: 53
      +12
      'Or hung, who remembers? "

      I'm trying to remember. There were pioneer heroes, writers, scientists. The portrait of Lenin was either in the red corner or in the director's office. I don't remember Brezhnev hanging.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 20 February 2021 06: 51
        +6
        Quote: Van 16
        I don't remember Brezhnev hanging

        We hung. request
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 20 February 2021 06: 59
          +4
          We hung.
          We also hung it. As such, there were no Leninist corners, therefore, hung in the corridor as the first in a row, and then in two rows of the Politburo. True, there was a hall of military glory like a small museum with exhibits, photographs of heroes and veterans. The Politburo was removed long ago, but the museum remained and was added (Afghan, Chechnya)
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 40
          +23
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          We hung

          we did not have
      2. Destiny
        Destiny 20 February 2021 07: 43
        +13
        Quote: Van 16
        'Or hung, who remembers? "

        Nobody hung, there was no such thing with us. At the demonstration they were only worn. The school pioneer squad was named after the pioneer hero, Hero of the Soviet Union Vali Kotik, here his portrait and bust were in the foyer.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 40
          +23
          Quote: Destiny
          They were only worn at the demonstration.

          and after that, they threw together laughing
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 20 February 2021 06: 01
      +13
      Quote: tasha
      Or hung, who remembers?

      Not. Neither in the classrooms nor in the classes did not hang.
      In the offices there were portraits of prominent people involved in this school subject.
    3. Avior
      Avior 20 February 2021 06: 22
      +4
      I don’t remember such
      The newspapers were printed on semi-official occasions, but I don’t remember that someone would wear their portraits.
      1. tasha
        tasha 20 February 2021 06: 48
        +10
        Wore-wore .. Not everywhere, probably, but it was. I found a photo on the net for an example. May 1, 1974 school No. 62, Volkhov

        I don’t remember what year I was carrying a portrait of someone to school after the demonstration. The portrait is large, and I am small and the wind is strong. Revolutionary struggle smile
        1. Avior
          Avior 20 February 2021 10: 02
          +2
          We didn't have this
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 February 2021 09: 12
        +4
        Quote: Avior
        The newspapers were printed on semi-official occasions, but I don’t remember that someone would wear their portraits.

        Already in the first grade, they gave me Brezhnev on a stick for a demonstration.
    4. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 20 February 2021 06: 52
      -8
      Attributes with Lenin were literally everywhere around you. You just like me just remember it badly. I was too young. But remember yourself. On every child literally. A badge hangs on the chest. Portraits are such a small thing compared to that.
      1. tasha
        tasha 20 February 2021 06: 55
        +8
        Vladimir Ilyich is of course, but he is eternally alive and out of time. wink
        Portraits of contemporaries, current leaders were not hung, yes .. It seems to be what
        1. Destiny
          Destiny 20 February 2021 08: 02
          +17
          Quote: tasha
          Portraits of contemporaries, current leaders were not hung, yes .. It seems to be

          Precisely, there was no such thing. Yes, Lenin was everywhere, but he created a great country without oppressors and bourgeois, a country of workers and peasants and he was no longer alive. And now Putin is everywhere in his life - what did he create? Soon there will be badges with him to distribute to everyone, and you do not want to wear - you are a traitor and an agent of the State Department.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 43
        +28
        Quote: carstorm 11
        A badge hangs on the chest.

        wait soon

        Quote: carstorm 11
        Portraits are such a small thing compared to that.
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 20 February 2021 12: 18
          +8
          It crumbles from the stars, like the devil from the cross.
    5. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 February 2021 09: 04
      +1
      Quote: tasha
      And the classes did not seem to hang ..

      They certainly did not hang in the classrooms. Lenin and Makarenko hung in the lobby with their slogans. I remember that when Androvov was hanged in a mourning frame, followed by Chernenko, at first I did not understand who they were.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 20 February 2021 05: 43
    -9
    It is understood that the president is a leader elected by the people ... there is nothing shameful in the portraits.
    For the Germans, this is traditionally Bismarck. For the Americans, this is Lincoln.
    that is, there are some standards for whom you can match? We have poured so much dirt on our history over the past 30 years that we just want to have something worthy, Stalin is the undisputed leader, but is not accepted by the official government, Lenin is draped in parades, "shy", they are ashamed of Gorbachev, the people do not like Yeltsin, Putin is still I have not yet received so much negativity, and I think that you can hang modest portraits in offices as a symbol of democracy.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 20 February 2021 06: 54
      +9
      Quote: aybolyt678
      We've poured so much dirt on our history in the last 30 years.

      It is not we, but us, our history is being poured by defective managers, neither in spirit nor in blood, who are not Russian.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 20 February 2021 09: 01
        -6
        And the article is also provocative. Hanging portraits is a tradition. Taking portraits is a policy designed to humiliate our past.
        the author set the western cabinets as an example. It is good that the White House is not with rainbow illumination.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 44
      +25
      Quote: aybolyt678
      as a symbol of democracy.

      can you give examples of this democracy?
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 20 February 2021 09: 51
        -3
        Quote: Silvestr
        can you give examples of this democracy?

        I'm formally .. for example, elections. I repeat that the portrait is a tradition denoting loyalty.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 February 2021 10: 29
          +26
          Quote: aybolyt678
          I'm formally .. for example, elections.

          formally ... there are elections, but there is no choice!
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 20 February 2021 10: 34
            -1
            Quote: Silvestr
            formally ... there are elections, but there is no choice!

            that's what I say formally smile And when was there a real choice in Russia ?? there were only leaders who thought about the country, there are few of them, and the majority who lived in their reality
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 20 February 2021 11: 29
              +24
              Quote: aybolyt678
              And when was there a real choice in Russia ??

              Maybe that's why we and
              sausage?
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 20 February 2021 12: 17
                +1
                Quote: Silvestr
                Maybe that's why we and
                sausage?

                sausage from the fact that the people are held hostage by groups fighting for power.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 20 February 2021 05: 43
    -9
    As for me, both the first and the second are the same idiocy. Although no, if the portrait of Putin has at least some justification, then the portrait of a twice carnival fraud is already a specific sign of stupidity without options.
    In general, it would be more logical to hang portraits of scientists in the offices. At my school, as far as I remember, only the chemistry classroom was hung with portraits. There was no Internet then, so I wondered for a long time - who is Butlerov? Perhaps that is why organic matter is so easy for me and "entered" ...
  • tasha
    tasha 20 February 2021 05: 50
    0
    Sorry, I couldn't resist. laughing
    HB show. The Arctic does not forgive mistakes. 4-series
    https://vimeo.com/134442495
  • Bastinda
    Bastinda 20 February 2021 05: 51
    +9
    So presidents all over the world come and go. This is normal practice.
    Not normal! Russia, and some African countries, have managed to ensure that the presidents do not leave! wink
    1. pro100y.belarus
      pro100y.belarus 20 February 2021 17: 27
      -1
      Quote: Bastinda
      So presidents all over the world come and go. This is normal practice.
      Not normal! Russia, and some African countries, have managed to ensure that the presidents do not leave! wink

      Belarus has been forgotten.
  • bayard
    bayard 20 February 2021 06: 10
    +24
    Alas, love is no longer the same ... Like the economy, it shows negative growth.
    And it seems it's time to draw conclusions.
    Correct conclusions.
    Do not invent new fines, taxes and restrictions ...
    You should think about people ...
    And it turns out like in that joke:
    "The Guarantor speaks at a meeting with ministers and oligarchs:
    - Now you have already achieved everything in your life - money, assets, yachts, palaces. Children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren were provided for a hundred years ahead ... It's time to think about people.
    - That's right Vladimir Vladimirovich !!! We would have a shower of 500 - 600 per brother - the oligarchs and the ministers joined forces. "

    These wonderful people have created such a state in which they themselves are afraid to be treated - they are treated abroad, they do not want to teach children - they teach abroad, they do not want to keep money in it - they take it abroad, and they themselves do not really want to live - they have double / triple citizenship and families live abroad ...
    But all are exclusively patriots.
    ... These patriots of capitalism built something wrong ...
    And they got some wrong people ...
    But what kind of trust there was after Crimea ...
    But this trust was on credit.
    And the loan is supposed to be returned ...
    Or work out.
    But since the 90s, in certain circles, it has been believed that "only weaklings pay off debts" ...

    Until 1917, the Russian Empire also thought so ...
    And they were wrong.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 20 February 2021 07: 42
      +12
      These wonderful people have created a state in which they themselves are afraid to be treated - they are being treated abroad.
      ..Even, like his opponent, Navalny was sent for treatment, whatever he said there, Putin poisoned me .. I would have been treated in a Kremlin hospital, I would not say that. smile Not at ease the thought suggests itself, maybe you sent him there for this? smile And then "Yaroslavna's crying", the West, announced us sanctions for Navalny, tighten the belts. I get the impression for a long time that "ours" and "theirs" are at the same time.
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 20 February 2021 08: 56
        +8
        This experience is called a slow drain / robbery. When a drunkard, they began to drain / plunder the country so quickly that a mortal threat loomed for the drainers themselves, more the people began to go berserk from lawlessness and hunger and after a while could well return the country back to socialism - a nightmare for the world bourgeoisie. The company has done the work on the mistakes and .. we have what we have.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 20 February 2021 06: 10
    +1
    If all this is imposed, it will be wrong, but it is also impossible to forbid hanging portraits of your favorite figures. Even in ordinary apartments I saw portraits of various political figures. If a person wants, then why not. As for the cult of Stalin, I must say that his entourage did not forget themselves. We had steamers on the Volga with the names of Khrushchev, Shvernik, etc.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 20 February 2021 07: 33
      +6
      Steamers with the names of Khrushchev, Shvernik, etc. sailed along the Volga.
      ... Yes, and now the same thing .. Our ferry went "Anennkov". Former Minister of Transport .. Died in Germany. Over gold. wink Later.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 20 February 2021 16: 11
        +1
        I was wrong, not Anenkov, although there is such a ferry. Aksenov .. Aksenov. I always confuse them.
    2. AUL
      AUL 20 February 2021 11: 10
      +4
      Quote: nikvic46
      If all this is imposed, it will be wrong, but it is also impossible to prohibit hanging portraits of your favorite figures.

      So let them hang in their apartments / villas / yachts, whoever they like. And in public places, state institutions, schools - this is already an imposition!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 20 February 2021 06: 19
    0
    So, this is for one time, an event .... although, there are those who - hung up in the morning, took off in the evening and everything is public.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 20 February 2021 06: 22
    +10
    According to political tradition, the attitude towards portraits is different. In the United States and third world countries, portraits of "fathers of the nation" are smiling on chronicles and in feature films. Each Eisenhower has his own page in history. laughing
    But the "Canadians", the European "Vanrompei" are essentially not independent figures, but "bureaucrats". And the portrait attitude towards them is appropriate.
    In schools, by the way, teachers and the director buy "Putin" for their "hard-earned money". There is not much sense in this, only - chores. Little children still strive to add glasses, horns and other protruding parts. wink
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 20 February 2021 07: 31
      -1
      Quote: samarin1969
      In schools, by the way, teachers and the director buy "Putin" for their "hard-earned money". There is not much sense in this, only - chores.
      Lizobservation is also idolatry. Unfortunately, this is a national trait of the Russian people that cannot be eradicated.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 20 February 2021 06: 22
    +3
    Lizoblyudstvo in Russia is highly developed.
    There is a well-known saying ... I'm a boss, you're a fool ..., you're a boss, I'm a fool ...
    Bosses and presidents come and go, but the people remain ... you just need to remain human and respect yourself first of all.
  • 1536
    1536 20 February 2021 06: 25
    +5
    Backfill question: Can you NOT shoot a portrait from the wall?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 20 February 2021 06: 35
      +3
      Can. Moreover, many did not shoot. And they did the right thing.
      1. nnm
        nnm 20 February 2021 06: 48
        +17
        Yesterday, people were sent en masse on 7 telegram-channels to vote on the question of whose monument to erect in the Lubyanka. And the fact that it was "recommended" to vote not for the monument to Dzerzhinsky, but to Donskoy is still half the trouble, worse is that in the list of these "voting" - channels Venediktov, Mediazona and other garbage dumps.
        I immediately remembered the story of how the vote was canceled to rename the Volgograd airport to Stalin's airport, etc.
        If the government itself is ashamed of the names of those who built this country, which has been robbed for 30 years, and is still one of the strongest countries in the world, if it cannot come to terms with its own difficult history, then perhaps it is not worth playing with the installation of monuments, distribution names and hanging portraits. Let the people honestly define themselves in assessing the actions of individuals in the history of their country.
        PS I have never hung any portraits in my offices. And never did any of the top leaders ask why. A completely calm attitude to this. But yes, 80 percent of officials of a serious level have portraits of Putin.
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        2. NDR-791
          NDR-791 20 February 2021 07: 36
          +2
          I immediately remembered the story of how the vote was canceled to rename the Volgograd airport to Stalin's airport ...
          ... If the government itself is ashamed of the names of those who built this country

          On the same line, the television vote "Name of Russia". There, too, everything was merged when Stalin began to take the lead in polls.
        3. Wertgan
          Wertgan 20 February 2021 09: 00
          0
          What does power have to do with it? Telegram, this is an information platform for our Western opponents. Through which they are waging an information war against us. And the power itself for the most part is a product of the occupational legal field.
          1. Asad
            Asad 20 February 2021 15: 51
            +3
            Does it mean that Soloviev is a pro-Western enemy? If he broadcasts daily from this resource?
      2. DDZ57
        DDZ57 22 February 2021 07: 54
        +1
        Can. Moreover, many did not shoot. And they did the right thing.


        Why not a complete gallery of the Cheka organizers?
        List all the first organizers of the Cheka. Jacob Peters - shot. Joseph Unshlikht - shot. Abram Belenky - shot. Stanislav Messing - shot. Artur Artuzov - shot. Georgy Blagonravov - shot. Even Gleb Bokiy, who created a laboratory for the development of poisons so necessary for the Chekists, was shot.
        Do not forget to identify the following outstanding leaders of this wonderful organization. Genrikh Yagoda - shot. Nikolai Yezhov - shot. Lavrenty Beria - shot.
        Tell us about the fate of their heroic assistants. About the glorious "Yezhov's team": Mikhail Frinovsky - shot. Genrikh Lyushkov - fled, actively collaborated with Japanese intelligence. The Japanese, after surrendering, offered him suicide, he refused and was shot. Sergei Mironov - shot. Mikhail Litvin - shot himself.
        Knock out the names of the Beriev eagles on the pedestal. Bogdan Kobulov - shot. Sergei Goglidze - shot. Avksentiy Rapava - shot. Vladimir Dekanozov - shot.
        Decorate the monument with glorious Chekist orders. All awards of Vasily Blokhin, who personally shot several thousand people. The Order of the Red Banner of Lawrence Tsanava, who organized the murder of Mikhoels, will also look very nice.
        Remember the heroic veteran Philip Bobkov - the organizer of the persecution of Andrei Sakharov, Iosif Brodsky, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Mstislav Rostropovich and Galina Vishnevskaya. Do not forget about the heroic General Boris Ratnikov, who developed the equipment for connecting to the subconscious of Secretary Albright.
        You will get a very high pedestal. Just leave some free space for the living organ workers. For the organizers of the murder of Litvinenko, Politkovskaya and Nemtsov. Leave room for the heroic poisoning chemists.
        The homeland should know all its heroes by name. Nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten!
        https://mayday.rocks/lubyanskie-vragi-naroda/
    2. AUL
      AUL 20 February 2021 11: 14
      +4
      Quote: 1536
      Backfill question: Can you NOT shoot a portrait from the wall?

      The second question for filling: Is it possible NOT to hang a portrait on the wall?
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 February 2021 06: 27
    +1
    schoolchildren are posting videos of them filming portraits of Putin from the wall. And not only schoolchildren, deputies also appeared.
    Have you overcome your fear? repeat It's clear with schoolchildren. fool What to take from them. And the servants of the people? Demonstrating loyalty to the West and the liberal crowd? recourse
  • clerk
    clerk 20 February 2021 06: 42
    +2
    The compatriot again hit the sky with his finger - the portraits of Putin in schools and offices are a continuation of the tradition of monarchical Russia - to hang portraits of the living monarch - the head of state. And here it is silly to nod at the republican West or Bai Asia - the Russian tradition is closer to the British one (I don’t know about Japan, Belgium and other Denmark).
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 20 February 2021 06: 53
      +1
      I don't know about Japan, Belgium and other Denmark
      Well, in Japan, exactly back in the war for the loss of the portrait of the emperor, they made a siktym head. And they forced the soldiers to grind down the imperial chrysanthemum on Arisaki before surrendering. And so everything is correct - our traditions are Roman-Byzantine. From portraits on the wall to cemeteries.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 February 2021 06: 44
    +1
    Adults, grabbing at full speed at the dawn of Russia, reason in the bulk like this: “Come on, let him rule, if only it wasn't worse". Although, it's worth noting that it gets worse.
    recourse The comrade did not lie, he did not tell the truth. "If only the 90s did not return." Although, if Putin rolled up his legs and sang about "Privatization in the interests of the people", instead of nationalizing the 200 most powerful corporations, then soon it will be necessary to drill a new hole on the strap. request
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 20 February 2021 07: 29
      +5
      you will need to drill a new hole in the strap.
      .. For rent and more than one ..
    2. clerk
      clerk 20 February 2021 09: 21
      +2
      Can you name a couple of three "most powerful" private corporations? laughing
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 20 February 2021 07: 11
    0
    Storm in a teacup. Whoever needs it and hang. And again this bored link to the West. If Putin would have resigned in 2018, he would have gladly hung his painted portrait in the style of Turkmenbashi, because then he deserved it, and now he is clumsy and incomprehensible. The author here said that schoolchildren are hanging a portrait of Navalny. Is this a hint?
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 20 February 2021 07: 34
      +5
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Whoever needs it and hang
      Is it possible not to hang anyone? Or even to hang, so great scientists, writers, poets, artists, i.e. outstanding people of science and art. And not kings with dubious achievements that come and go.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 20 February 2021 08: 48
        -3
        Greenwood! I suggest a compromise. Joke! To please everyone, I propose a photo-toad of Putin and Pushkin, peacefully conversing on a bench in the Kremlin garden. By analogy with the well-known photographic portrait of Lenin and Stalin.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 20 February 2021 09: 20
          +2
          I agree to Pushkin and Lermontov. Their creativity is part of the educational program. Putin has nothing to do in schools (as well as in the Kremlin). IMHO
          1. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 20 February 2021 10: 29
            +1
            As a compromise, I suggest an option. In the office of Literature hangs a portrait "Pushkin reads the poem" The Bronze Horseman "to Putin, in the office of chemistry" Mendeleev and Putin discussing the periodic system ", in the office of physics" Archimedes explains to Putin why the ax sinks in water. and Navalny has been swimming for so many years. "
      2. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 20 February 2021 10: 08
        0
        Quote: Greenwood
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        Whoever needs it and hang
        Is it possible not to hang anyone? Or even to hang, so great scientists, writers, poets, artists, i.e. outstanding people of science and art. And not kings with dubious achievements that come and go.

        Don't make yourself an idol
        Don't crush yourself with greatness
        Other people's achievements and minds,
        And limitless reasoning,
        Covered in thick snow.

        Do not create an idol for yourself
        Do not subservience to him, -
        His greatness is so imaginary
        He's just a magician and a mime.

        Don't become an experimental snake, -
        A fakir plays a pipe, -
        Think with your head
        And don't sit inside baskets ...

        Guskova Nadezhda Vitalievna
    2. Wertgan
      Wertgan 20 February 2021 09: 03
      0
      A transparent hint for the current moment. Navalny is a battering ram against Putin. Prilepin is another replacement project. Here Roman unobtrusively showed that he owns the plan. ))))
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 48
        +23
        Quote: WertGan
        Prilepin - another replacement project

        Are you joking? laughing Enough with us Gref and Volodin! Well you ... get it
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 20 February 2021 07: 21
    -14%
    I have a portrait of PUTIN and STALIN HANGING .. and I think worthy! but I will definitely not hang Lenin and Khrushch! were bad parasites!
    1. AUL
      AUL 20 February 2021 11: 25
      +11
      Stalin and Putin on one hectare ... would not sit down! And the fact that their portraits are hanging on one wall is a mortal insult for the IVS!
      PS I'm not an absolute fan of Stalin, he is a very controversial figure, but the fact that he was the master in the country, and not a thieving salesman, cannot be taken away from him!
    2. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 20 February 2021 11: 36
      +2
      I propose the option "Stalin explains to Putin that lying to the people is bad, but shooting thieves is good.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 20 February 2021 13: 11
      +21
      Quote: Nitarius
      I have a portrait of PUTIN and STALIN HANGING .. and I think worthy!

      laughing
  • parusnik
    parusnik 20 February 2021 07: 27
    +4
    Yes, they do not support Navalny, they are against Putin. Including through the war with his portraits.
    ... Hmm, "from a spark, a flame will kindle." smile And so, the situation in Russia resembles France in the 30s and 40s of the 19th century. Workers fight on the barricades with the National Guard, as a result, instead of one king, another comes, or even an emperor. Wherever you spit, everywhere a wedge .Putin, Navalny ... from a change of portraits, the capitalist system, no one will cancel.
    1. clerk
      clerk 20 February 2021 09: 56
      -6
      Since when have teenagers and hired political infantry become workers, defending their rights on the barricades?
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 20 February 2021 07: 32
    +8
    It seems to me that it was not the children who guessed it before the flash mob. Thus, from an early age, they are taught not to respect authority. They teach you to think that someone must be thrown off the pedestal, it is being put into fashion. And this will not be limited to portraits of the head of state alone, then they will start writing on the state emblem, flag, and they will break monuments.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 20 February 2021 08: 47
      -6
      Quote: Herman 4223
      And this will not be limited to portraits of the head of state alone,

      The training continues.
      Walks, flashlights, cups, bottles ...
      They are raising monkeys who will carry chestnuts ...
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 20 February 2021 09: 10
        -1
        What to do, the Internet is a controlled weapon of the enemy.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 20 February 2021 09: 32
          -3
          Quote: Herman 4223
          What to do, the Internet is a controlled weapon of the enemy.

          The Chinese don't think so. The Internet is a double-edged weapon.
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 20 February 2021 09: 56
            +2
            The Chinese think so. Therefore, there is no YouTube and many other Western sites and social networks.
            But there are purely their own, the same tick tock is a Chinese platform.
            This weapon cannot be mutually sharp. If you own this segment, then you can block unwanted information or make it so that it does not catch your eye. On the contrary, pull information harmful to your opponents what is called on the first pages.
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 20 February 2021 10: 41
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        They are raising monkeys who will carry chestnuts ...

        So they have already grown and are already dragging. request It is they who give the pictures and give bulk to Navalny for them.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 20 February 2021 09: 49
      +23
      Quote: Herman 4223
      Thus, from an early age, they are taught not to respect authority.

      why respect her? For double standards? Custom TV?
      Quote: Herman 4223
      They accustom to the idea that someone must be thrown off the pedestal, it is put into fashion.

      but there is no need to lie and steal
      1. clerk
        clerk 20 February 2021 10: 03
        -1
        There was neither a proven lie, nor a proven thief - only white thread-embroidered propaganda aimed at people who are too lazy to check.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 February 2021 11: 31
          +25
          Quote: clerk
          There was no proven lie, no proven thief -

          Watch the latest scandal with Skabeeva. As for theft, how to work against yourself? laughing
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 20 February 2021 12: 06
            +2
            Quote: Silvestr
            the last scandal with Skabeeva

            https://rueconomics.ru/498907-skabeeva-otvetila-na-skandal-s-utechkoi-video-instruktazha-za-kadrom-60-minut
            Are you talking about this one? And what's in it?
          2. clerk
            clerk 20 February 2021 12: 51
            -2
            ... As for theft, how to work against yourself?
            Again, empty, unsubstantiated chatter.
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 20 February 2021 10: 05
        +2
        Do you want to live in the world of pink ponies, where everyone is honest and loves each other, but our world does not correspond to this?
        Without power, whatever it is, there will be chaos, and a vacuum that someone else will definitely fill.
        About television, which works for the money of Western corporations, which pays them money for advertising, it is better not to talk at all.
    3. clerk
      clerk 20 February 2021 09: 59
      -8
      ... they are taught from an early age not to respect authority.
      Not to respect not only and not so much the power as the majority of people who have chosen this power. Therefore, all these cries of "Putin down" are, first of all, disrespect for the law and the legitimate choice of the majority of the people of Russia (no matter how pretentious it may sound). I understand when such disrespect is shown by tamers, paid or juvenile babies, but when adults, conscientious citizens of Russia do it, it's just a delayed suicide of some kind.
  • TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 20 February 2021 07: 35
    +3
    The author is so often confused in the article that it would even be interesting to see it reading as a beginner, but knowing his other watered opuses, it's not surprising.
    So you specifically don't like portraits of the head of state? And in some cases it is the head of state that comes out of the article, and then everything went about Putin) and smoothly moved away from the topic itself to banal criticism of the authorities. Ie someone can, but someone is fucking. Who can we determine by eye and personal preferences of the author?
    Ps, about the fact that schoolchildren are "smarter" of all, of course. Alas, now the bulk of knowledge is stupider than even 15 years ago. Can you raise the topic about this? Or does Putin's portrait get in the way of learning? And the portraits of Stalin, Lenin, etc. did not interfere?
    Most schoolchildren generally give a shit about who is in power, because you say they didn't drink Leech, that is, they are worried about slightly other things. I repeat, can it still be a constructive topic? What "he" should be. The head of our state. Well, ideology with goals for the future.
    PS, I am not a "fan" of the authorities and I understand that this is completely an oligarchic structure) But this does not change the opinion above.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 20 February 2021 07: 43
    +5
    A classic is recalled about this portrait mania
    Bretschneider fell silent and looked around the empty inn in disappointment.
    “And once there was a portrait of the sovereign emperor,” he said after a pause, “just in the place where the mirror is now.
    - You justly deigned to note, - answered Pan Palivets, - once hung. Yes, only flies were shitting on him, so I removed him to the attic. You know, someone else will allow himself a remark on this score, and troubles will pour in. Why the hell do I need this?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 20 February 2021 08: 06
      +8
      The following story is often told about the emperor-peacemaker Alexander III. During the reign of Emperor Alexander III, a certain soldier Oreshkin got drunk in a tavern and began to row. They tried to reason with him, pointing to the portrait of the sovereign hanging in the room. Like, it is not appropriate to behave like that in front of him. But the soldier said that he wanted to spit on the emperor. Oreshkin was arrested and a case of insult to greatness was opened. The papers were handed over to the emperor for consideration and he passed the following resolution: "From now on, my portraits will not be hung in taverns, and Oreshkin should be told that I did not care about him either."
    2. clerk
      clerk 20 February 2021 14: 08
      -4
      ... You justly deigned to notice, - answered Pan Palivets, - once hung. Yes, only flies crap on him, so I removed him to the attic. You know, someone else will allow himself a remark on this score, and troubles will pour in.
      There is a domestic description of a similar situation. All followers of the Down with Putin sect must read: “A large dark rectangle stood out between the ribbed pilasters in the empty light space of the wall. An ugly thick hook stuck out above the upper edge of the dark spot.
      - In the meantime, gentlemen, have removed the portrait of the sovereign and do not know what to hang in return.
      - And what do you suggest, Alexey Alekseevich?
      - Well, at least a mirror. After all, gentlemen, today you are representatives of the new government. That would be reflected at times in the mirror.
      “This is a counter-revolution,” the adviser said.
      - We just have a different idea of ​​the revolution, Mr. Counselor. - Kromov did not even bother to turn his head in his direction. - My father used to say that the real Russian revolution will be when the people go with hatchets. And then, as far as I understand, none of us will be good.
      If the ambassador turned purple, then the adviser turned pale. (C)
  • oracul
    oracul 20 February 2021 07: 48
    0
    Those. it turns out that the children do not feel the impudent lie and falsity of Navalny and his supporters and take it for the truth. And for me, for example, it seems to me that it is closer to the essence of defining them as undersized - stupid and simple-minded young men, girls who are dumb, eager to hang out, and not stand out with their mind.
    1. Wertgan
      Wertgan 20 February 2021 09: 05
      0
      In the current context, children are simply victims of the information war. Let us not be victims like them, but let us be its fighters.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 February 2021 07: 53
    0
    idiots do not sow, do not reap, they grow by themselves. I never understood this stupid tradition of hanging portraits of management at work. You have to work at work, not admire portraits. It always smelled like sycophant to me.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 20 February 2021 07: 56
    -13%
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    And on fake "love" not a single leader went far.

    What kind of chamomile is here, do you love not? A manager should be assessed not by these criteria at all, but by how he copes with the challenges that have an impact on the country.

    As an example:
    Look at how US managers cope with the "winter" caught by surprise at minus two and how we cope with this at minus 50 - this is heaven and earth. They have a dozen dead, we have none. However, portraits are being taken of Putin, and in their place do they want to hang a portrait of Navalny?



    I appeal to portrait photographers.
    People, you are guided by the wrong criteria in your activities.
    1. Wertgan
      Wertgan 20 February 2021 09: 06
      0
      These are elementary criteria - criticism, laziness, unwillingness to develop, consumerism.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 20 February 2021 08: 00
    -10%
    As I understand it, the administration of "Voenny Obozreniye" really does not like the President of the Russian Federation V.V.Putin? Instead of covering military issues, Voennoye Obozreniye has engaged in dubious political games that smell bad.
    1. Wertgan
      Wertgan 20 February 2021 09: 08
      -4
      You got it right! This is the policy of most media. They probably pay well for this. Selling your homeland, it's not so cheap))))
  • parusnik
    parusnik 20 February 2021 08: 00
    +4
    Another thing was thought: the economic component. Someone earned a lot of money from all these portraits. laughing Like the masks.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 20 February 2021 08: 06
    -6
    Everything is in a spiral in the Russian state, - do not change your shoes and what will change? - nothing. There is no difference between portraits of Ziu and Brezhnev. Simple imprinting from the animal world. Capitalism, sociolism or feudalism, a portrait of the bosses should be! Today I found a (funny) skirmish at the cash register between young (18-20 years old no more) employees and the buyer for the masks with the transition to politics in the country, poor Putin, they simply smashed them into molecules at the checkout. And what will be surprised at such flash mobs? Young people chtoli live in another world and behold another reality, or does it become easier to live and realize oneself from the unctuous statements of the authorities? Seeing all this, they rebel as they can afford. In the end, it is for them to live on and how most of them are invited to live, they are generally not satisfied.
  • Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 20 February 2021 08: 06
    +5
    Zadolbali these "iconostases". The portrait of the Leader on the wall behind his back is straight and indicates under whose roof the sitter of the chair is! This apparently implies certain preferences when cutting budgets, etc.
    I will go to a portrait of A.S. Pushkin. buy, his tales though not ashamed grandson to read!
  • tech3030
    tech3030 20 February 2021 08: 12
    -4
    Tiktok herd. Who needs to be led to the slaughter.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 20 February 2021 08: 29
    -2
    Quote: Yngvar
    Maybe officials "from the photo-looking" will be afraid and will not stop dragging from the budget and honestly fulfill their direct duties?

    Maybe hang a portrait of the Prosecutor General? lol
    We, as the "cult of personality" was called earlier, is simpler-obscurantism hi
  • Zhenya Khazarsky
    Zhenya Khazarsky 20 February 2021 08: 33
    +1


    And we have - shock workers of heavy engineering! smile
    Honor and respect for them!
  • Maxim364364
    Maxim364364 20 February 2021 08: 42
    0
    It's a matter of taste, I hung a portrait of Lavrenty Pavlovich in my office.
    1. Gato
      Gato 20 February 2021 09: 51
      -1
      I support, I have Ignatius Loyola hanging. Colleagues were perplexed until someone was too lazy to get into the wiki.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 20 February 2021 14: 03
      +1
      I hung a portrait of Lavrenty Pavlovich in my office

      I have Joseph Vissarionovich and Comandante Che ..
  • New Year day
    New Year day 20 February 2021 08: 44
    +21
    Another great job! There is nothing to add.
    As in nature
    ... Equilibrium. There must be balance. Reasonable and balanced.
  • Wertgan
    Wertgan 20 February 2021 08: 44
    -4
    Can you imagine if Navalny is released now (by order of the ECHR)? Our novel will surely break out with another revelatory article! ))
  • Free wind
    Free wind 20 February 2021 09: 04
    -2
    Children are out of politics, period. For violating this 10 years of camps, Putin, everyone knows everything, but for some reason they shift everything to Navalny. Cool but pictures of duck in the offices, this property is declared. That is, these pictures are budgetary, they have their own numbers, well, like any toilet bowls, computers, mops, etc. The term for writing off a drawing is 30 years. To write off a drawing ahead of time, bulgakhteria is very difficult.
  • trophy
    trophy 20 February 2021 09: 29
    -2
    And I have a reproduction of Vasya Lozhkin's painting "Motherland hears".
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 20 February 2021 09: 29
    0
    Stalin proceeded from the fact that the people before him knew the principle: "For the faith, the tsar and the fatherland," and could not change quickly, so he did not interfere with the fact that there were portraits of the Romanovs, became his.

    Stalin did not give orders to do this en masse, Putin also did not order to hang his portraits everywhere, so if someone perceives them as an attempt to stand out, then it is exclusively to local officials.

    On the other hand, show me at least one reason why I can't hang portraits of Putin, Marshal Zhukov, the plant director, labor shock workers, Darth Vader or Princess Celestia, if I like them.

    Vice-Mayor for Urban Development Levtsev - arrested for a bribe of 1,5 million rubles. His successor, Bavykin, not having time to work in office for six months, also went under arrest for fraudulent electoral fraud. 0,4 million rubles The head of the department of the state agricultural academy was caught on a bribe of 0,5 million rubles. The director of the Voronezh branch of the Admiral Makarov State University of Maritime and River Fleet and her deputy for academic affairs were caught, taking a total of 1 million.


    Excuse me, did Putin appoint these citizens? Or maybe the Americans? Either the Martians arrive regularly and leave such people, or maybe our people are just such that, having received at least some significant position, they perceive it as a source of personal enrichment. The nobles were kicked out in our country back in 1917, so all the power we have is straight from the people.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 20 February 2021 09: 31
    -11%
    One can already ask the question: what does the author have against the portrait of Putin in the office or classroom?

    Basically nothing. Besides that according to law he has absolutely nothing to do there .. And it is the coat of arms that should be placed according to law where many have portraits today

    I'm talking about the administrative premises. It is about those where according to law only the coat of arms of Russia is appropriate

    No such a Law prohibiting the portrait of the President of the country in school and office.

    As well as there is no law on the obligation of this, which Peskov said.

    As well as there is no Law on the compulsory placement of the emblem in the classroom.
    Earlier, under the USSR, everything or almost everything was clear and understandable. The officials had a portrait of Lenin as the founder of the Soviet state. Is it logical? Logically

    Under Stalin, Stalin hung, under Brezhnev, Brezhnev
    Portraits are just another Russian nonsense.

    this is Soviet stupidity, not Russian, and everyone who lived under the USSR remembers this perfectly well, all these portraits of not only general secretaries, but also members of the Politburo hanging everywhere and everywhere and know the names of which you were obliged.

    And children are children. They smell lies and falsehood.


    that is, the children knew about lies and falsity, and that is why they calmly looked and were silent when they demolished thousands of monuments to Stalin and threw his portraits into the trash cans by the thousands?
    I am translating: it will be very interesting to observe the figures of 50 and more percent of those who came to the polling stations and empty premises. However, the cameras can be removed. Democracy and honesty must be dosed.

    there is a camera and there is none in any "civilized"The state and no one is going to remove them.
    However, there is another option. Listen and look at the opinion of the people not through "Honestly chosen" State Duma deputies, but in a different way. And try to earn credibility and respect through deeds, and not on a leftover principle. It is ugly all the same, when there is no one else in such a country to appoint to power.

    The deputies were legally elected, and already in the fall, the next elections, in which EVERYONE is happy / dissatisfied, can choose WHO they want, for which to establish their super-super-free, right-wing party or choose any of the 37 existing ones.


    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 24 February 2021 11: 26
      -1
      And under the tsar, portraits did not seem to hang. I don't see anything wrong with that.
  • Esaul
    Esaul 20 February 2021 09: 40
    -3
    80% of the country's population cannot live in freedom, they definitely need a master: father-sovereign, landowner, lord, prince, etc. Such a serf mentality still remains. If the owner does not hit hard just like that and shares a crust of bread, then everything will be forgiven him.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 20 February 2021 13: 27
      -1
      Quote: Esaul
      80% of the country's population cannot live in freedom

      It depends on what is meant by the word "freedom", for example, in the neighboring "state", some also believe that they have "freedom", they took and made an armed coup, established the dictatorship of Bandera-Nazism, "freedom" because what I want, then and I do, but I don't care about the opinions of others ...
      Or in Russia, a handful of unfinished undergrowths and some "freedom-lovers" who have gone out of their minds decided to "hang out" in the squares, preventing other citizens from relaxing on weekends, driving traffic, creating traffic jams and attacking the police, but what, I'm "free", what I want, then I do, for which some and raking.
      For example, I believe that freedom is a clear implementation of the Constitution and laws, and you yourself chose the "gentlemen" in 1991, when the Soviet Union was brought down, where everyone was a COMMAND, and now, excuse me, there are "gentlemen", capitalism is , which assumes the division of the population into the LORD, who appropriate the results of your labor and "SLAVES" from whom the results of your labor are taken away (there is such a science, dialectics, they probably do not teach, but you still read it, everything is written there), and you demand for yourself some invented benefits and preferences ...
      And just the OWNER should be, otherwise it will turn out what happened in the USSR - mismanagement, equalization, so you need to think about when it is better with the owner, or without him ...
      The law requires that the people themselves choose their power in elections by a majority vote, and the minority must obey the majority, this is the main principle of freedom and democracy, and you can keep your rantings about "landlords", princelings "and others to yourself ...
      Isn't a modern farmer a landowner? Perhaps, another landowner and land will be more abruptly, and there will be more mechanisms ...
      Eck, how did the "portraits" on the walls hurt you, is it enviable that it has become ...? If a person deserves it, then you can not only hang a portrait, but also put a monument ...
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 21 February 2021 00: 32
      0
      Quote: Esaul
      80% of the country's population cannot live in freedom, they definitely need a master: father-sovereign, landowner, lord, prince, etc. Such a serf mentality still remains. If the owner does not hit hard just like that and shares a crust of bread, then everything will be forgiven him.
      Do not judge others by yourself.
  • Gato
    Gato 20 February 2021 09: 43
    +1
    ..And on the left chest
    Stalin's profile
    And on the right -
    Marinka full face
  • kig
    kig 20 February 2021 10: 06
    +6
    We look and wonder

  • Alsur
    Alsur 20 February 2021 10: 19
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Those. You think Russian genetic slaves, but you bastard Natsik!

    I look at the facts and consider myself that way. And where was it only about Russians? What does Nazism have to do with it?

    Everything was written to you correctly, this is Nazism. Hitler entered the territory of the USSR with the same postulate.
  • pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru 20 February 2021 11: 07
    -1
    I will find fault with one phrase of the author: "... it is worth noting that it is getting worse ..." It is getting worse - because President Putin, or because the covid pandemic, lockdowns, sanctions? Name a country that is better now, or a country that has been subject to more sanctions than Russia. Is it possible to imagine that in 1942 in Leningrad the people went to rallies because the ration was cut ?? Too bold comparison, right? It seems to me that now Russia has no fewer enemies than at that time, only that they are not shooting yet.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 20 February 2021 11: 27
      +2
      It is certainly possible to imagine 1942, but it is impossible to imagine in 1942 personal ocean yachts, personal business jets and personal palaces, which cost superior to the royal ones from the past centuries. But what about dual citizenships and personal assets abroad in 1942, not to mention the presence of foreign citizens in the management of Russian companies? You cited an unimportant example for today's realities, then in the besieged Leningrad the people were one with the government and therefore stood together.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 20 February 2021 12: 16
        0
        So in 42, all were equal both in life and in death.
      2. pyagomail.ru
        pyagomail.ru 20 February 2021 18: 16
        +2
        Dear pilot Alexey, I didn’t write about this. Yachts, palaces, etc. were up to 2014. I do not admire this, but they are not the reason for the deterioration of life, but the pandemic, lockdowns, sanctions, isn't it? "Partners" from all sides, the inner fifth column, in general, there are many problems, and not all of them are Putin's fault.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 20 February 2021 14: 01
      +2
      Name the country that is better now

      China. Which, under the leadership of the Communist Party, went through the covid very dashingly and is now only gaining momentum, especially against the background of the bourgeoisie in all countries.
      1. Vlad5307
        Vlad5307 21 February 2021 08: 58
        +3
        Where did you get the idea that it got better with the beginning of the pandemic? It's just that it is a more closed country in the infoplan. They have their own cockroaches, we have ours. wink
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 21 February 2021 10: 30
          0
          Then where did you get the idea that it got worse? If the country is closed? This is not the DPRK for you - quarantine and supermortality cannot be hidden there. Moreover, during the year ..
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 20 February 2021 11: 08
    0
    They are filming in the offices of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - no, in the headquarters of the Ministry of Defense they are filming - no, in the National Guard they are filming - no.
    they will calm down into an independent life! The portrait of Putin VV in the office of a bribe-taker is not a talisman. Every day they take such people, sometimes even on weekends
  • BIABIA
    BIABIA 20 February 2021 11: 14
    -1
    Quote: marchcat
    I'd rather hang Shishkin's picture, dearer to my heart.

    And I have a photo of my family on the wall (me, my wife, son and daughter). And there is nothing more expensive.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 20 February 2021 11: 17
    -3
    What can you not do for the sake of popularity in social networks to get subscribers .. What did this flash mob give? He gave that the participants showed their attitude towards the head of state. Vladimir Vladimirovich is annoying with his actions ..
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 20 February 2021 11: 30
    +2
    Cool article !!