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China has completed the construction of a series of corvettes of the Type-056 / 056A project (Jiangdao class)

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China has completed the construction of a series of corvettes of the Type-056 / 056A project (Jiangdao class)

China has completed the construction of the Type-056 / 056A project corvettes (Jiangdao class), the last two ships of the series became part of the PLA Navy. It is reported by Navy Recognition.


In late January-early February, the Chinese Naval Forces adopted the last two Type-056A corvettes, thereby bringing the total number of ships in this series to 72 units (22 - Type-056 and 50 - Type-056A) ). The construction of the corvettes of this project has been completed.

The total displacement of the Jiangdao-class corvettes is 1500 tons. The hull is 89 meters long and 11 meters wide. The cruising range is 2 thousand miles, the autonomy is 15 days. The armament includes: 76-mm gun mount, four launchers of YJ-83 anti-ship missiles with a firing range of up to 160 km, an eight-container short-range air defense system HQ-10, two 324-mm three-tube torpedo tubes.

Ships are intended exclusively for patrolling territorial waters, escorts, fighting surface and submarine forces of the enemy, and protecting fisheries.

This project is independently developed in China and has been under construction since 2012. Since the end of 2014, the PLA Navy began to receive corvettes of the modified project 056A, which differs from the base project 056 mainly by the presence of a towed GAS.

The construction of ships of this type was simultaneously carried out at four shipyards: Hudong-Zhonghua in Shanghai, Huangpu Shipyard in Guangzhou, Liaonan Shipyard in Dalian, Wuchang Shipyard in Wuhan.
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  1. Destiny
    Destiny 19 February 2021 10: 03
    +37
    bringing the total number of ships of this series to 72 units (22 - "Type-056" and 50 - "Type-056A"). The construction of the corvettes of this project has been completed.

    Well done, what else can you say ..
    1. Civil
      Civil 19 February 2021 10: 31
      +9
      The Communist Party is equipping the PLA fleet as befits a communist. And not at the expense of the population. First, we raised the economy. And now the Navy. Greetings to the capitalists of one resource-based country.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 19 February 2021 10: 47
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        And not at the expense of the population.

        Who?
        1. Temples
          Temples 19 February 2021 12: 03
          -20%
          Corvette in Chinese:
          Two torpedoes ...
          4 PU missiles with a firing range of up to 160 km ...
          cannon 76 mm ...
          ZRK short-range ...

          Why didn't they call it a dreadnought? request laughing

          It's more of a boat.

          1. Temples
            Temples 19 February 2021 12: 08
            -7


            Here is a boat with 4 torpedoes.
            And gun mounts 2.
          2. Doccor18
            Doccor18 19 February 2021 12: 23
            +21
            Quote: Temples
            Corvette in Chinese:
            Two torpedoes ...
            4 PU missiles with a firing range of up to 160 km ...
            cannon 76 mm ...
            ZRK short-range ...

            Why didn't they call it a dreadnought? request laughing

            It's more of a boat.

            That's right - it's a corvette. Not a frigate, not a destroyer, not a cruiser, but just a corvette. This is the "workhorse" of the fleet. And there should be a lot of them ... The corvette should not be too expensive and complicated, while it must have a good set of anti-aircraft defense systems and elementary air defense systems ... China succeeded.
            You can, if you wish, cram everything into its body, and it will turn out to be a very expensive, piece ... corvette. You don't have to go far for such examples ...
            1. Temples
              Temples 19 February 2021 12: 49
              -17%
              Quote: Doccor18
              This is the "workhorse" of the fleet.

              This is a trough. But a lot of these cards were riveted.
              And since the Chinese did it, it is certainly a miracle.

              Thank God our fleet does not receive such rubbish.

              We have more than enough "Bykov" - a suitcase without a handle.


              Compare the Chinese "corvette" with our Karakurt.
          3. PSih2097
            PSih2097 19 February 2021 14: 21
            +1
            Quote: Temples
            Corvette in Chinese:
            Two torpedoes ...
            4 PU missiles with a firing range of up to 160 km ...
            cannon 76 mm ...
            ZRK short-range ...

            Why didn't they call it a dreadnought? request laughing

            It's more of a boat.

            Ships are intended exclusively for patrolling territorial waters, escorts, fighting surface and submarine forces of the enemy, and protecting fisheries.

            oh well, then it's a patrol (although no one calls a brawler with a karakurt a boat).
            Armament:
            Artillery: 1X 76mm; 2X 30mm
            Launcher ST-16M: 4 YJ-83 (PKR) or 4 PLUR
            AA defense: 1 X 8 charges HHQ-10
            Anti-submarine: 2X3 324mm TA Yu-7
          4. Luty
            Luty 19 February 2021 16: 07
            +6
            This ship is fully consistent with the tasks. And the ideal according to the criterion of cost - efficiency.
          5. bk0010
            bk0010 19 February 2021 20: 50
            +1
            Quote: Temples
            Corvette in Chinese:
            Two torpedoes ...
            4 PU missiles with a firing range of up to 160 km ...
            cannon 76 mm ...
            ZRK short-range ...
            Why didn't they call it a dreadnought? request laughing
            It's more of a boat.
            This is for our money 4 X-35, Packet-NK, AK-176MA, Verba plus a displacement of 1.5 Karakurt. If the seaworthiness is normal (BMZ), and the GAK is able to find the Virgin, then it is quite a corvette.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 12: 16
          0
          Quote: Dart2027
          Who?

          Of course, at the expense of the population)))) Only the income level of the Chinese population is growing, while in Russia it is falling, why does this happen?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 19 February 2021 18: 22
            +1
            And the Chinese are very hardworking. wink
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 18: 54
              -1
              Quote: Alex777
              And the Chinese are very hardworking.

              And the Russians, in your opinion, are quitters?
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 19 February 2021 19: 13
            +1
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Of course at the expense of the population

            Already good.
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Only the income level of the population of China

            China has a very diverse population, including billionaires.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 19: 47
              +1
              Quote: Dart2027
              China has a very diverse population, including billionaires.

              Who would have thought. You opened America straight. Only the level of income of the population in China is growing, despite the millionaires, while ours is falling, despite our super patriotic leaders. What is it for? Maybe "our patriots" are stealing too much? Maybe playing with offshore companies?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 19 February 2021 21: 05
                0
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                What is it for?

                Could it be that China has extremely tough censorship and all statistics are under control?
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 21: 18
                  +4
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Could it be that China has extremely tough censorship and all statistics are under control?

                  Or maybe because high-ranking bribe-takers there are smeared with brilliant green?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 19 February 2021 23: 00
                    -2
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Or maybe because high-ranking bribe-takers

                    Almost 12 thousand people were convicted in Russia last year for corruption crimes.
                    https://rg.ru/2019/03/21/za-god-v-rf-osudili-12-tysiach-chelovek-za-korrupcionnye-prestupleniia.html
                    Or will you start whining again about "exposing Navalny"?
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 23: 10
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Almost 12 thousand people were convicted in Russia last year for corruption crimes.

                      To whom was the forehead anointed with brilliant green? Who had the confiscation? Although the questions are rhetorical and we both know the answers.
                      Well, yes, well, yes, Navalny lied, the scoundrel is shaking the boat.))))
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 20 February 2021 07: 19
                        -2
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        To whom was the forehead anointed with brilliant green? Who had the confiscation?

                        In China, everyone has been doing this ... for years and there is no end in sight.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Navalny, the boat is shaking

                        This is what your Fuhrer is for.
                      2. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 20 February 2021 09: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        This is what your Fuhrer is for.

                        You, most importantly, look after your Fuhrer. but do not forget to pray for him. And only a clinical degradant can compare me with Navalny, however, you have already written about this.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        To whom was the forehead anointed with brilliant green? Who had the confiscation?

                        In China, everyone has been doing this ... for years and there is no end in sight.

                        That is, such methods of fighting corruption do not suit you, do you feel sorry for corrupt officials? Is it inhumane, not tolerant? And I am quite satisfied with the Chinese experience of fighting corruption, as well as its economic and social successes. The economic successes of Russia and China are not comparable.
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 20 February 2021 10: 18
                        -3
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        don't forget to pray for him
                        Health to him.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        And compare me with Navalny
                        You compare yourself with him.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        That is, such ways to fight corruption
                        They do not give complete victory, such is life.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        And me the Chinese experience of wrestling
                        with any dissent, when everyone who does not approve of the party line is shut up quickly and harshly suits themselves.
                      4. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 20 February 2021 10: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        with any dissent, when everyone who does not approve of the party line is shut up quickly and harshly suits themselves.

                        Tightening the screws, with the deterioration of the life of the people and the increase in greed at the top, will inevitably lead to a new 17th year. I think you will not like the lamp post.
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 20 February 2021 12: 13
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Tightening the nuts when the life of the people deteriorates

                        Somehow I am not watching her.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        I think that on a lamp post

                        Better worry about yourself. The moratorium on the death penalty will suddenly be lifted.
                2. AnderS
                  AnderS 20 February 2021 13: 47
                  0
                  This is what your Fuhrer is for.

                  Are you talking about Lilliputin?
                3. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 20 February 2021 14: 58
                  -3
                  Quote: AnderS
                  Are you talking about

                  Navalny, you are our navalnist.
                4. AnderS
                  AnderS 20 February 2021 15: 04
                  +2
                  You are our navalist.

                  Well, first of all, citizen "sovramshi", I am not "your". Secondly, I am the same "bully" as you are. Or do you think that everyone who does not like Lilliputin is navalnists? Well then, congratulations - binary thinking, in the spirit of either-or, is not at all a sign of intelligence.
                5. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 20 February 2021 15: 14
                  -3
                  Quote: AnderS
                  I am not "your"

                  Of course not, Navalny.
                  Quote: AnderS
                  Secondly, I am the same "bully"

                  And that's why you stand up for him?
                6. AnderS
                  AnderS 20 February 2021 18: 00
                  -1
                  Specially for the gifted ones like you
                  ... Or do you think that everyone who does not like Lilliputin is navalistic? Well then, congratulations - binary thinking, in the spirit of either-or, is not at all a sign of intelligence.
                7. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 20 February 2021 18: 55
                  -2
                  Quote: AnderS
                  Specially for the gifted ones like you

                  If someone supports the protests launched under the slogans of Navalny, it means that he is fighting for him. And you can think anything.
  • Berber
    Berber 19 February 2021 10: 52
    +8
    Quote: Civil
    And not at the expense of the population.

    It seems that the state and the population are on their own. Any state exists at the expense of the population.
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 19 February 2021 11: 26
      0
      Quote: BerBer
      Any state exists at the expense of the population.

      the state is the population))
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 12: 11
        -2
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        the state is the population))

        No, do not confuse these concepts.
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 19 February 2021 12: 22
          0
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          No, do not confuse these concepts.

          I do not confuse, in philosophy, the concept of a state is a people living within territorial boundaries ...
          1. My doctor
            My doctor 19 February 2021 20: 20
            0
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            I do not confuse, in philosophy, the concept of a state is a people living within territorial boundaries ...

            You are not right
            The newest philosophical dictionary
            THE STATE is the main institution of the political system, endowed with the highest legislative power, i.e. the right to establish and regulate social norms and rules of public life within a certain territorial integrity and to use legitimate methods of coercion to comply with them in relation to all members of society. G. is the main source of political power and uses it on behalf of the entire society. The main difference between Georgia and other political institutions is that, having the supreme right to legislative power, it subordinates the activities of all state political institutions to its political interests and pursues its policy through them.

            or Philosophical Encyclopedic Dictionary (1983)
            STATE - main. institute of political. system of class society, managing society, protecting its economic. and social structure; in class antagonistic. societies are in the hands of the economically dominant class (classes) and is used by them primarily to suppress their social opponents. Highlighting this Ch. function of the exploitative G., VI Lenin wrote: "The state is a machine for oppressing one class by another, a machine for keeping other subordinate classes in subjection to one class" (PSS, vol. 39, p. 75).
            G. has a monopoly on coercion of the entire population within the framework of the definition. territory, the right to exercise on behalf of the whole society int. and ext. policy will exclude. the right to issue laws and regulations binding on the entire population, the right to levy taxes and fees.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 12: 10
      -1
      Quote: BerBer
      It seems that the state and the population are on their own. Any state exists at the expense of the population.

      So the state (state structure) is, a form of population management (in the general case). You think, in whose interests this "form of population management" exists with us and with them. How much has the welfare of the population of China increased in 20 years, and that of Russia in 20 years?
      1. Berber
        Berber 19 February 2021 15: 08
        +1
        The entire "west" has invested in China. And we have a handful of companies.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 15: 24
          +1
          Quote: BerBer
          The entire "west" has invested in China. And we have a handful of companies.

          It is enough just to stop exporting capital from Russia, and then investments will not be very needed. Just look at the numbers, google the query "capital outflow from Russia by year."
          PS And tell me how much foreign investment in the economy of the USSR was after the civil war? And how much after the Second World War?
          1. Berber
            Berber 19 February 2021 15: 32
            0
            Am I against it? - absolutely no. But it takes time and political will to put this in order. After the collapse of the USSR and the so-called "privatization", a significant part of our active assets ended up in the hands of "Western" capital. You can't just take them back. Here you need long and painstaking work, not waving checkers. So much has been done.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 15: 37
              -2
              Quote: BerBer
              So much has been done.

              Is AvtoVAZ sold? Nothing has been done, everything is being sold, including Western corporations. Kamolov had a video somewhere where he laid out the share of foreign corporations in our economy. The largest retail chains are Western, etc.
              1. Berber
                Berber 19 February 2021 15: 52
                +2
                Yes sold, but not all. And if it remained in our hands, do you think it would be better? There the work was done immeasurably to bring it into a divine form. If not sold, still "Prior" would be a top model. And so - it works, provides jobs, gives profit and pays taxes. So the example of Avtovaz is not very successful.
                And if we talk about the assets of the 90s, there yes, we were simply robbed. And so that we still pay.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 16: 22
                  -1
                  Quote: BerBer
                  And if we talk about the assets of the 90s, there yes, we were simply robbed. And so that we still pay.

                  Whom do you understand by the word "us"?
                  1. Berber
                    Berber 24 February 2021 10: 14
                    +1
                    Russia first of all.
                2. Captain Pushkin
                  Captain Pushkin 19 February 2021 18: 24
                  0
                  Quote: BerBer
                  There the work was done immeasurably to bring it into a divine form. If not sold, the "Prior" would still be a top model

                  Is the destruction of the plant and its transformation into an assembly production, it turns out to be "making a divine appearance"?
                  At the same time, they closed the production of components on subcontractors throughout the country and now they are being transported from Turkey, Romania, China ...
                  If not for Renault, the top model of the VAZ would have been in the dimensions of the Volkswagen Passat.
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 18: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    Is the destruction of the plant and its transformation into an assembly production, it turns out to be "making a divine appearance"?

                    Everyone has their own concept of "divine form". For me, this is degradation, for them, it is "getting up from your knees."
  • strannik1985
    strannik1985 19 February 2021 11: 07
    +1
    First, we raised the economy.

    Due to direct foreign investments, for example, in the period from 2011 to 2015, they amounted to more than 120 billion dollars annually.
    1. vitvit123
      vitvit123 19 February 2021 11: 54
      -1
      Did foreigners invest in the construction of the Chinese fleet? And what benefit did the foreigners get from these warships?
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 19 February 2021 12: 34
        +4
        Invested in the Chinese economy, in total, with the participation of FDI, by 2015 formed 570 thousands enterprises. And from these enterprises, the Chinese received funds for the army, navy and much more.
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 19 February 2021 12: 39
          +3
          Well, if this is true, then you are right ...
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 12: 12
      0
      Quote: strannik1985
      Due to direct foreign investments, for example, in the period from 2011 to 2015, they amounted to more than 120 billion dollars annually.

      Who was stopping us?
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 19 February 2021 13: 06
        -3
        To be in China's place in the early 70s, during the US financial crisis? Pseudoscience physics?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 13: 17
          +2
          Quote: strannik1985
          To be in China's place in the early 70s, during the US financial crisis?

          No, from the beginning of the 90s to pursue a sound national and economic policy.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 19 February 2021 18: 26
            +4
            Do you really not understand that the West supported China in spite of the USSR? lol
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 18: 30
              0
              Quote: Alex777
              Do you really not understand that the West supported China in spite of the USSR?

              Ah so this is the secret of China's success! And I thought, but what is the secret of the economic success of the post-war USSR? or the first five-year plans?
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 19 February 2021 18: 32
                -1
                You would better not remember the first five-year plans and 37 years, looking at night, at all. bully
                I did not undertake to describe all the reasons for China's success.
                The death penalty for those who steal in China also matters. But even if we did everything in Chinese, there would be no investment. And there would be a sale of Yukos to Exxon, etc., etc.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 18: 34
                  -1
                  Quote: Alex777
                  You would be right in five years and 37 years, looking at night, it would be better not to remember at all.

                  Do you have anything to be afraid of?
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 19 February 2021 18: 35
                    +1
                    Do you have anything to be afraid of?

                    fool
      2. Ugochaves
        Ugochaves 19 February 2021 14: 45
        +2
        Do you really think that the United States, after what it contributed in the 90s in our country, would invest hundreds of billions of dollars in our economy?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 14: 50
          +1
          Quote: UgoChaves
          Do you really think that the United States, after what they contributed in the 90s in our country, would invest billions of dollars in our economy?

          The question is, of course, controversial. However, if the state would not allow "our" oligarchs to withdraw money from the country, then there would be no need for these investments.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 19 February 2021 18: 29
            +1
            Don't you understand that the exported capital figures include payments for purchased goods and services?
            Return on investment, etc., etc.
            In this sense, the export of capital from China is many times higher. wink
    3. Bagatur
      Bagatur 19 February 2021 12: 26
      +1
      China, the factory of the world ... Russia gas station ...
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 13: 19
        +1
        Quote: bagatura
        China, the factory of the world ... Russia gas station ...

        You talk apolitically, not a gas station, but a "Great Energy Superpower".))))))
        1. Bagatur
          Bagatur 19 February 2021 16: 54
          -2
          I didn't want to offend ... It's a pity, with all the natural resources, a huge territory, arable land ... People live so poorly. Why?
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 18: 38
            -1
            Quote: bagatura
            I didn't want to offend ... It's a pity, with all the natural resources, a huge territory, arable land ... People live so poorly. Why?

            Yes, I was not offended, friend. Russia today is a "gas station country", and in the most disgusting manifestation of the word. Where are you from?
            1. Bagatur
              Bagatur 19 February 2021 22: 53
              +1
              Bulgaria, I am Bulgarian.
          2. Alex777
            Alex777 19 February 2021 19: 59
            0
            How poor are they? Whom are you comparing with?
            1. Bagatur
              Bagatur 19 February 2021 22: 55
              -1
              Sorry, but in Bulgaria for 30000 rubles and the gig will not go to work ...
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 20 February 2021 00: 58
                0
                Neither in my company nor any of my acquaintances have such a salary.
                By the way, how much is 30 rubles. in dollars do you think?
                1. Bagatur
                  Bagatur 20 February 2021 08: 02
                  0
                  1 lev = 45 rubles ...
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 20 February 2021 11: 47
                    0
                    I don't know much about the leva.
                    How much lev / dollar do you have?
                    And how much do you think we have a ruble / dollar?
                  2. Bagatur
                    Bagatur 20 February 2021 13: 03
                    0
                    We have a fixed course. After the hyperinflation of 1996. so-called valuten board. 1 euro costs 2 leva. Dolar think 1.7 leva. The minimum wage is 650 leva, the average is 1370.
                  3. Bagatur
                    Bagatur 20 February 2021 14: 55
                    0
                    A dollar costs about 70 rubles, 90 euros
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 23 February 2021 11: 01
          0
          People live so poorly. Why?

          There is no family I know without a car.
          Many have two. Some have three.
          I don’t know where you got the feeling that people in Russia live worse than in Bulgaria. hi
          About the former republics of the USSR - and I will not compare.
          Everywhere, except for the Baltic States, I have visited several times.
          Disabled whiners like aleksejkabanets - there is enough everywhere. hi
  • Ugochaves
    Ugochaves 19 February 2021 14: 39
    +1
    Could you tell us how the Chinese Communist Party of China raised the economy before the transfer of European and American companies to China and the injection of finance by them? I ask without sarcasm and ask for a detailed answer. Thank.
  • Seaflame
    Seaflame 20 February 2021 20: 33
    0
    there only symbols remained of communism, and so the usual market, capitalism ...
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 19 February 2021 10: 37
    +9
    Quote: Destiny
    Well done, what else can you say ..

    I don’t know what to say, but you can envy.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 19 February 2021 11: 09
      -2
      They will reach Nagasaki and Tokyo. For hawaiians about others build
  • Alien From
    Alien From 19 February 2021 10: 37
    +16
    72 pieces from 12 years old ....... the head and hands work for the Chinese. Enviable.
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 19 February 2021 10: 52
      +4
      Yes, you can be stunned from such a "small-scale" production. With rather modest performance characteristics, the number of pennants is impressive.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 19 February 2021 20: 00
        +1
        We have been preparing for many years. Purposefully. They waited in the wings.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 19 February 2021 11: 11
    +14
    72 units in 9 years. This is about 8 pieces a year !!! ... like pies from the oven
    Yes, we never dreamed of such rates. And, apparently, they have no problems either with shipyards, or with workers, or with engines, or money.
    Yes, it is high time for our top managers to improve their professional level on an internship in China!
    1. Machito
      Machito 19 February 2021 11: 38
      +14
      It's time to put our top managers up against the wall.
    2. Wolf
      Wolf 19 February 2021 12: 15
      +2
      It is necessary to teach how to be born in a family of 3 children at a minimum and how the state will help large families and there will be such a pace of construction of a ship in Russia and there is no sense in a ship. smile
    3. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 19 February 2021 18: 29
      0
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Yes, it is high time for our top managers to improve their professional level on an internship in China!

      Better in Kolyma ... Shake your hands more often - wash the sand through a sieve, look for gold. There will be more sense.
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  • yehat2
    yehat2 19 February 2021 10: 06
    +11
    Jiangdao is translated as a straight sword without a guard (in Chinese films, the rich and aristocrats often walk with such a belt and deftly fence).
    1. d1975
      d1975 19 February 2021 10: 15
      +8
      First you need to understand what the fleet is for. China has a clear vision of all this. No matter how anyone here speaks, but in this case the fleet is definitely needed - this is Taiwan and the disputed islands. Of course, a confrontation with the United States and India is also possible here. "Who thinks clearly, then clearly expresses!"
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 19 February 2021 10: 24
        +2
        Quote: d1975
        ... you need to understand what the fleet is for.

        So why?
        Quote: d1975
        No matter how anyone here says, but in this case, the fleet is definitely needed

        Do you need how? Who would not say anything here, but in this case the fleet is needed ...
        Quote: d1975
        Of course, a confrontation with the United States and India is also possible here.

        One of the reasons for the construction of corvettes of this series can be called the confrontation with the fleets of the United States and India ...
        Quote: d1975
        "Who thinks clearly, then clearly expresses!"

        "Who thinks clearly, he clearly expounds" Arthur Schopenhauer
        yes
        1. Wolf
          Wolf 19 February 2021 12: 19
          +1
          For the last line +
          He who thinks clearly expounds clearly. ”Arthur Schopenhauer
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 19 February 2021 10: 26
        +8
        Quote: d1975
        First you need to understand what the fleet is for

        for Taiwan, the old one with a huge bunch of coastal boats was enough for China
        The fleet that China is now building is a cruising high seas fleet for trade and a supporting function, combined with a very serious expeditionary force, to defend its trade and other interests far from home. Their goal is to crush all the water from Africa to Japan and Australia.
      3. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 19 February 2021 10: 27
        0
        Type-056 / 056A - replacement of a huge number of patrol boats, which China riveted for 60-80 years, when the industrial potential was already there, and there were no ambitions for the ocean fleet yet.
        The ships, often made on the technologies of the 40s, did not have any combat value, they were suitable exclusively for the role of self-propelled targets. However, it was these ships that became the nurseries of the Chinese fleet. There is no sense for China in 056 today, and the series is over. But sentimentality is inherent not only in people, but also in countries.
        But our 20380-20385 is a sample of cooking porridge from an ax, that is, a frigate from the "MPK with SCRC". Therefore, they are being built at Severnaya Verf for 7-8 years.
        1. NKT
          NKT 19 February 2021 11: 07
          0
          Isn't our 20380 analogs of this corvette?
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 19 February 2021 11: 25
            +2
            Quote: NKT
            Isn't our 20380 analogs of this corvette?

            No, our corvettes 20380 are more likely analogs of Chinese frigates, only with a displacement of 1,5 times less. Difficult and expensive. Such deshman and simple as Type-056 / 056A corvettes, our Navy is now sorely lacking to replace the IPC of the Gorbachev era.
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 February 2021 10: 39
        +3
        Quote: d1975
        First you need to understand what the fleet is for.

        A power without a navy is no longer a power.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 19 February 2021 11: 17
          +1
          are you talking about Austria?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 19 February 2021 11: 56
            0
            Quote: Dodikson
            are you talking about Austria?

            Before 1918 there was a power, a great empire, and now it is an ordinary European country.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 19 February 2021 11: 58
              -9
              power is it an empire or a country?
              By the way, is Switzerland an empire or a country? or is it not a power?
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 19 February 2021 12: 27
                +3
                Quote: Dodikson
                power is it an empire or a country?

                The answer is on Wikipedia.
      5. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 19 February 2021 13: 03
        +1
        Quote: d1975
        "Who thinks clearly, then clearly expresses!"

        Only a small detail is that it is necessary not only to understand why, but also how to do it.
        At the same time, there should be an absolute majority of those who think correctly and clearly.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 19 February 2021 10: 08
    +12
    72 corvettes !! For such a line .. Scratch up .. Hey, local admirers of the sun - tell us again about the colossal successes of capitalist Russia over 20 years of his wise rule ..
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 10: 16
      -10%
      Quote: paul3390
      72 corvettes !! For such a line .. Scratch up .. Ay, local admirers of the sun - tell us again about the colossal successes of capitalist Russia for 20 years of his wise rule.

      I wonder why the performance characteristics are inferior to ours, and the equipment? Because the Chinese don't need it anymore? Or could they not?
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 19 February 2021 10: 25
        +13
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        I wonder why the performance characteristics are inferior to ours, and the equipment? Because the Chinese don't need it anymore?

        Yes, they are armed much weaker than Russian corvettes. But it is quite adequate to the assigned tasks.
        And if this is the required payment for the total, then the price is reasonable.
        If this is the result of a balanced approach and understanding that more is not required from the corvette, then the good fellows are doubly.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 10: 35
          -8
          Quote: Flood
          If this is the result of a balanced approach and understanding that more is not required from the corvette, then the good fellows are doubly.

          That is, our anti-ship missiles need a range of 500 km (Granite), while the Chinese need 160? Why?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 19 February 2021 10: 50
            +8
            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            That is, our anti-ship missiles need a range of 500 km (Granite), while the Chinese need 160? Why?

            Because this is enough for this type of ship.
            And doubly good fellows I wrote not because I agree with the Chinese. I'm not an expert. But because this indicates that the Chinese have goal-setting for their Navy.
            This approach seems reasonable to me. Do not try to saturate each side with weapons as much as possible. After all, the ship's capabilities are dictated not only by its armament, but also by the capabilities of target detection, air defense and anti-aircraft defense, and its survivability.
            And in this sense, the survival rate of the compound benefits from the quantity. Even to the detriment of the quality of each individual side.
            And well, there are no universal ships in our time. Each has its own niche and purpose.
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 11: 01
              0
              Quote: Flood
              Because this is enough for this type of ship.

              That is, this is such a Chinese philosophy - sufficient functionality? And not at all because they are struggling to reproduce the French Exocet at their disposal, and not the Soviet Granite, which they do not have?
              Why does no one ask the question: how did it happen that the Chinese have excellent electronics, but very average weapons?
              Because Western companies built electronics factories in China, but they did not build weapons factories.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 19 February 2021 11: 11
                +6
                Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                That is, this is such a Chinese philosophy - sufficient functionality? And not at all because they are struggling to reproduce the French Exocet at their disposal, and not the Soviet Granite, which they do not have?

                what kind of granite on corvettes? They were armed with heavy cruisers!
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 11: 15
                  -5
                  Quote: Flood
                  what kind of granite on corvettes? They were armed with heavy cruisers!

                  This is just an example. Replace with Onyx. Do the Chinese have an analogue of Onyx?
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 19 February 2021 11: 25
                    +4
                    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

                    This is just an example. Replace with Onyx. Do the Chinese have an analogue of Onyx?

                    Are you interested in individual weapons?
                    Or does it seem strange to you that the Chinese arm their ships with the weapons they produce?
                    Or do you want to compare the combat resilience of ships? Or is their effectiveness?
                    I have ceased to understand the meaning of your questions.
                    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                      Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 11: 37
                      -3
                      Quote: Flood
                      I have ceased to understand the meaning of your questions.

                      The point is that if the Chinese had anti-ship missiles with a range of more than 160 km, they would arm their ships with them. But they use what their military-industrial complex is capable of, since they have nothing better. Despite all their so-called technological advantage.
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 19 February 2021 11: 50
                        +5
                        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        The point is that if the Chinese had anti-ship missiles with a range of more than 160 km, they would arm their ships with them.

                        google "YJ-62 (C-602) anti-ship missile"
                      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 11: 55
                        -3
                        Quote: Flood
                        google "YJ-62 (C-602) anti-ship missile"

                        This is all great, but why are the corvettes armed with other missiles?
                    2. donavi49
                      donavi49 19 February 2021 11: 55
                      +6
                      Well, this is a corvette. On the newest corvette +/- similar anti-ship missiles, if that.



                      To have a range of more than 200 km for light-medium subsonic anti-ship missiles is excessive, since the flight time is too long and the targets will go beyond the capture of the seeker.

                      The Chinese have the main destroyer caliber (more than 14 052D and 2 in service and another 055+ on the water) - a two-stage YJ-10 with correction throughout the entire flight phase. You can criticize her, but they were developed by them through all sorts of outsourcing schemes AA and Novator. Therefore, criticizing the YJ-18 you criticize the 18M-3 family wink .

                      And they have their own supersonic, which they began to mount on destroyers 956 instead of Mosquitoes (which can no longer be bought - because the release was curtailed 10 years ago and they are rotten).

                      The old DD-167 Shenzhen became the lead and experienced carrier, where the naval version was tested.
                    3. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 19 February 2021 12: 02
                      -2
                      then why do mattresses make LRASM-ER subsonic and with a range of 900 km?
                      Don't they know that the target can go beyond the capture of the GOS?
                    4. donavi49
                      donavi49 19 February 2021 13: 51
                      +3
                      Correction throughout the entire flight phase.
                      The past and current generation has problems with this. And without correction, it makes no sense to shoot more than 200 km, the target will go beyond the GOS.
                    5. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 19 February 2021 16: 48
                      -2
                      and that on a variety of Uranus it is impossible to put a correction system on the entire flight phase?
                      what exactly in the rocket design prevents this?
                      By the way, LRASM does not need a correction, she is looking for a target by flying a snake and comparing everything found by her matrix seeker with the target (in her memory there are images of all known warships of the planet)
                2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 12: 15
                  0
                  I still don't understand why our supersonic, and even hypersonic, are suitable for the UKSK, which can be mounted even on corvettes, and their supersonic, despite their analogue Mk41, can only be placed on destroyers?
                3. donavi49
                  donavi49 19 February 2021 14: 06
                  +4
                  Well, that's why USC and the Navy are building corvettes without UKSK? wink

                  If there are corvettes without UKSK in the contracts and 16 are under construction, 8 of them are under construction.
                  Corvettes with UKSK - 2 and for 2 more contracts just signed.

                  wink

                  The Chinese have a fundamentally different ideology, but I wrote:
                  BMZ - cheap and massive ships that can do everything. They can carry out a patrol service, strengthen BO in territorial disputes, they can fire anti-ship missiles at the intruder or the enemy, they can fight off a single aircraft / missile, they can search for submarines with the help of a keel and towed antennas, and also receive a helicopter with a temporary base and refueling, they can themselves hit submarines with MK46 clones.

                  If you need to carry a strong jade rod, high standards from C, they will quickly build up forces in any area with the help of 14 standard 052Ds with their MK41 version for 64 missiles and 2 standard 055s for 112 missiles.

                  That is, BMZ corvettes perform their inherent role both independently and in the KUG / AUG. Whereas the Navy prefers to over-arm each ship, increasing the cost and delaying the time, but using them limitedly in unusual areas. For example - Strict from the Baltic fled to the Indian Ocean. The Chinese are dispatching a destroyer for this.

        2. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 19 February 2021 17: 56
          0
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          This is just an example. Replace with Onyx. Do the Chinese have an analogue of Onyx?


          Chinese anti-ship missiles СХ-1, does it look like nothing? ))))
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 18: 01
            +1
            Quote: ZEMCH
            Chinese anti-ship missiles СХ-1, does it look like nothing?

            Has this rocket surpassed Onyx, or at least repeated?
            The products of the Chinese military-industrial complex repeat a lot. Helicopters, airplanes and so on. But reproducing recognizable contours is not the same as reproducing performance characteristics.
            1. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 19 February 2021 18: 03
              0
              According to the information provided by the Chinese CCTV television channel, supersonic anti-ship missiles, which can reach speeds of more than 3600 km / h, can be used to strike surface and ground targets at a range from 40 to 280 km. However, it is possible that underestimated data are presented in terms of the maximum range, since these figures are below the limitations of the International Regime for the Control of Missile Technology (MTCR). A warhead weighing 260 kg, designed to destroy surface targets, can be armor-piercing high-explosive or fragmentation-high-explosive to destroy ground targets.

              Specialists draw attention to the common features of the Chinese CX-1 anti-ship missiles, the Russian P-800 (Onyx) and the Russian-Indian Brahmos missile. It is known that Russia did not transfer the materials and did not deliver these missiles to the PRC. At the same time, deliveries were made to Syria, Indonesia and Vietnam. ” It is quite possible that one of these countries “shared” Russian missiles with China.
            2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 18: 07
              0
              Quote: ZEMCH
              a supersonic anti-ship missile with a speed of more than 3600 km / h can be used to strike surface and ground targets at a distance of 40 to 280 km. However, it is possible that understated data are presented for the value of the maximum range.

              But if our Onyx flies up to 600 km, then their analogue - only up to 280.
              Or have the Chinese lowered the range of their missile by as much as twice, or three? Did ours indicate the actual ones?
            3. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 19 February 2021 18: 51
              +2
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Did ours indicate the actual ones?

              "Trust no one, and no one will deceive you!" Everyone lies, reporting the characteristics of their weapons, someone for marketing purposes, someone in secrecy)))
            4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 18: 57
              +2
              Quote: ZEMCH
              "Trust no one, and no one will deceive you!"

              Gold words! Like
              "Treat people the way you would like to be treated."
              The golden rule of ethics.
  • donavi49
    donavi49 19 February 2021 11: 04
    +15
    Our corvettes have exactly the same class of anti-ship missiles - X-35 (the Chinese have an improved Exoset).

    But the admirals wanted more and shoved the UKSK. As a result, the corvette is being built in time as a Chinese aircraft carrier, and at prices it has come close to 11356. wink But 8 missiles Caliber.

    Fundamental difference in application methodology and objectives.

    The Chinese set non-zero countermeasures for all BMZ ships. That is, the corvette must have an anti-ship missile system, at least some kind of air defense system, some kind of cannon, torpedoes, a GAK. Anything can, somehow (bad) but it can.

    At the same time, the Chinese have something to build up their strength, if necessary. Then BMZ act in massaging the PLO of the order, reconnaissance, picket, etc.

    The navy gravitates towards equipping each ship for the last battle, at least with a reinforced NATO KUG. For there are few ships, therefore everyone must be armed beyond all measure. To the detriment of everything else.

    Where the Chinese are simply deploying a series of 64 missile 052Ds, the Navy adds the UKSK to 22350.



    Where the Chinese simply deploy a series of 112 missile 055s, the Navy makes Nakhimov and dreams of an atomic Leader.


    The Chinese generally use the American model as their basis. Large series of standardized ships. The Navy prefers to restart the project every 3-5 years with improvements and a new delay in terms of price increases.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 11: 12
      -5
      The rich they use.
      You don't think that if the Chinese could do something, like our Onyx or Redoubt, they would refuse it?
      If you can't make an automaton, make a hundred three lines. It's better than nothing.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 19 February 2021 11: 22
        +8
        They did this a long time ago. The armament of their YJ-18 destroyers is the Chinese version of the Caliber, but unlike the UKSK, all mines are universal, since they originally danced from the ideology of MK41.



        SAM they have the main from the S-300PMU + F + their own ideas.
        Frigate air defense system - the same as on 11356, Shtil-1. Rather, Chinese money made it possible to bring this complex with a new missile in general, because the Indians bought the Bulk from the tube 80s, and the Navy then had no money and plans for Shtil1.


        They have their own SuperSonic anti-ship missile - YJ12, with which they re-equip Project 956 destroyers, as well as use it on ground and air carriers.

        And they have their own Yakhont - which they also bought from outsourcing wink ... But so far he is not visible in the fleet with firing.
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 15: 11
      -2
      So their universal analogue Mk41 is not so universal?
      And what is better - to create universal carriers, or universal weapons?
      Or, after all, the Chinese are not able to create advanced weapons, but only copy, to the best of their ability, existing models?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 19 February 2021 15: 31
        +1
        I mean, not universal?

        RCC - lucky.
        KR is lucky.
        SAM - lucky.
        PLUR - lucky.

        When the 054A series of frigates was being made, this UVP did not exist yet, and the destroyers went with drums. Here there are only missiles, and anti-ship missiles in inclined launchers.


        The YJ12 is more of a ground and air launch vehicle. The big fleet did not order it. Well, since there is, why not use it? Therefore, first, when modernizing the old (1999) - Shenzhen, they put these missiles there.

        By the way, Shenzhen is an excellent example of how you could spend 15 years profitably. They started with a long-term construction, a piece production, and an Iranian technical worker. The result is a destroyer with air defense in the form of Krotal, without normal equipment and, in general, at the level of the new Iranian.


        After Refit, at least it looked like a ship in terms of radar, and according to the Shtil1 air defense system in vertical shafts and MZA, it was normal, and not a 37mm twin from the 50s. Well, YJ12 is already 16 pieces.


        The same rocket goes to 956 - due to the fact that there is nowhere to cram a normal VPU, and everything is Mosquitoes.
  • bayard
    bayard 19 February 2021 12: 39
    +4
    There are no Granites on our corvettes. They are the same as those of the Chinese "Uranus" (except 20385 pr.).
    Corvette is a ship of the near sea zone, the list of its tasks is indicated in the article. You don't need more for a corvette. But the corvettes themselves must be in sufficient quantity.
    They have.
    72 pcs. just this project.
    See how many frigates they have.
    How many destroyers.
    Cruisers / super destroyers type are under construction. 055.
    Landing and expedition ships.
    In 10 years, the Americans will see the ocean the size of a sheepskin.

    And why are they inferior in performance characteristics to ours?
    Look under what conditions to serve them. It's cold here, storms, huge BMZ waters. At the Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet, as MPK BMZ, VI needs no less than 20380.
    The Chinese have warm seas, many islands and archipelagoes, so this VI is enough, but to provide PLO, you need a QUANTITY.
    Therefore, in the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic, ships of such a class as 056 would be quite suitable, and it is proposed to build such ships on the basis of the elongated Karakurt.
    And in the harsh conditions of the Pacific Fleet and the Northern Fleet, larger corvettes with better seaworthiness are needed.
    Hull 20380/85 is quite successful, but the air defense overload (too complicated and expensive for a corvette) led to a price similar to that of a frigate.
    You can not do it this way .
    RLK should be simplified and cheaper, and corvettes should be built in a wide series, sufficient for PLO in BMZ.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 19 February 2021 10: 40
    +3
    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Because the Chinese don't need it anymore? Or could they not?

    The quantity is taken.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 10: 44
      -10%
      Quote: tihonmarine
      The quantity is taken.

      Because making n-th number of metal cases is much easier than creating effective weapons.
  • Constanty
    Constanty 19 February 2021 16: 05
    0
    I want to note right away that the Chinese at that time built not only the described 056A, but also many larger ships, for example, destroyers 052C

    or 055.

    For this, landing ships of type 075

    and aircraft carriers


    Yes - there is definitely something to envy
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 19 February 2021 10: 19
    +12
    Quote: paul3390
    72 corvettes !! For such a line .. Scratch up .. Hey, local admirers of the sun - tell us again about the colossal successes of capitalist Russia over 20 years of his wise rule ..

    so there are not only corvettes, frigates type 054 / 054A, destroyers (type 052 C / D, 055), UDC type 075 and 071, project 002/003 AB and this is not counting diesel-electric submarines and nuclear submarines (MAPL and SSBN)
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 19 February 2021 10: 27
    +8
    Quote: paul3390
    Scratch ..

    I agree. Here you can not only "comb", but also "fucking" ...
    The advantages of a planned economy and the presence of the death penalty for corruption crimes are evident.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 February 2021 10: 41
      +5
      Quote: ROSS 42
      The advantages of a planned economy and the presence of the death penalty for corruption crimes are evident.

      Cruel, but the fruit is on the face.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 19 February 2021 10: 41
    -2


    Scratch .. Hey, local admirers of the sun - tell us again about the colossal successes of capitalist Russia over 20 years of his wise rule ..



    I will now tell you about Putin's successes.

    In 1998, Putin took the country in ruins, Russia only suffered a default, the reserves in the country were at 14-16 billion dollars, and this despite the fact that both the USSR and Russia of the 90s sold resources of oil, gas, metals, including gold with platinum, but in the end were left with debt at 145% of GDP !!!

    Russia began to pay off debts in goods, where with weapons, where with resources, a little more and territory would have been given. The decision to sell the Kuril Islands to Yeltsin was discussed and quite seriously.

    By the end of the 90s nothing was being produced in Russia, everything on the shelves of stores and markets was imported, from the "Rama" margarine and chicken legs to clothes !!!

    Industry and agriculture of our country by the end of the 90s was destroyed !!!

    Strikes of miners, teachers were the norm !!! The norm was that in collective farms and other enterprises, wages were paid with goods that they also produced.

    In Russia at the end of the 90s, the average salary was 1000 rubles with a dollar of 25 and it was paid with a delay of six months, and pensions were about 600 rubles and they were also delayed !!!

    Inflation was simply prohibitive.

    The country was a complete mess in law enforcement and a rampant crime !!!

    Everyone from a trader in the market to large enterprises paid tribute to the bandits and the cops turned a blind eye to it !!! In every collective farm, every tent, every trader in the market paid the bandits, they did what they wanted !!!

    And to all this, a war began again in the country, a real one, with thousands of our citizens killed in terrorist attacks across the country from the Caucasus to Moscow !!!

    And now Putin took it all out !!! He brought Russia to the leaders of world economies, paid off debts, accumulated reserves of 600 billion dollars (this is the proceeds for 4 whole years of oil trading), won the war in the Caucasus.

    For people under Putin in Russia it has become the usual norm - housing on a mortgage, trips abroad, several cars for a family !!!

    And who are you to have your mouth on
    Opening Putin ?! Who are you ?!

    List your merits / have time, I just want to understand, by what right do you speak with such disdain about him?

    And China in the 90s already showed excellent economic growth rates and already possessed huge resources to develop for longer.

    At the same time, I buy up technologies all over the world, including in the former republics of the USSR !!!

    With all this, the Chinese corvette is much inferior to the Russian one even at 20380, and there is nothing to say about 20385 !!! And in the range of the weapon used and in all other parameters.

    And of course 1,5 billion people in China will make more ships than Russia with 147 million and neither Putin nor God will change anything here !!!

    1. paul3390
      paul3390 19 February 2021 10: 46
      +2
      "If a person is talented, then he is talented in everything. With idiots, the same situation." (c) Here you are - the latter fully concerns .. Be rude - you will be in bed with your wife, when once again you shyly try to replace your marital duty by glorifying Putin ...
      1. Berber
        Berber 19 February 2021 11: 01
        -8
        Listen, collective comrade, aren't you tired? Who are you fighting with? Or you work out grants. Disgusting ...
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 19 February 2021 11: 01
        -6
        Everything, whined))

        Being rude is your peculiarity judging by your writing, and I answered you very very restrainedly.
        1. Ugochaves
          Ugochaves 19 February 2021 15: 37
          +1
          I will note that he whines in * dtsat voices, by the minuses it is clearly visible, you can see pereloginivaetsya at the speed of light wink
      3. Dodikson
        Dodikson 19 February 2021 11: 13
        -6
        Here's what you wrote concerns the same as you, yourself zero without a stick, and already climb to teach the heads of state how to steer a country.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 19 February 2021 10: 50
      +4
      I will now tell you about Putin's successes.

      Stop being idiotic. Putin is just incredibly lucky that by the beginning of his reign, oil jumped under a hundred square meters. With such a free bubble, only a completely complete woodpecker could not do at least something. And how oil fell - all Putinism showed itself in all its glory. What he is capable of at a price of 20 - we clearly saw. That's all his successes. For as many as 20 years.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 19 February 2021 11: 00
        -7
        Come on, tell me that in the 90s all the countries of the world producing oil and gas were selling all this at a loss.

        Norway and Saudi Arabia, like Russia, were in debt in the 90s ?!

        Oil is sold in dollars, and in dollars since the 90s inflation is more than 100% !!!

        The current price of 40-50 dollars is the same as 18-20 dollars in the 90s and 12-14 dollars in the 80s !!!

        At the same time, under Putin, reserves were accumulated for 4 years of oil trading throughout the country and debts were given at 145% of GDP.

        And before Putin, apart from debts, they did not make anything by selling resources and scattering the remnants of reserves accumulated under Stalin !!!

        Do you realize this ?!

        It's not about the price of oil and gas, all of this has always been sold with a profit, albeit with a smaller profit, but the fact that Russia was simply plundered before Putin !!!

        And pseudo-liberals and Westernizers did it under the approval of the United States and Europe.

        And only he fixed it all.

        And the fleet in Russia is being reborn thanks to Putin !!!
        1. Andy
          Andy 19 February 2021 11: 08
          +6
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          It's not about the price of oil and gas, all this has always been sold at a profit, but about the fact that Russia was simply plundered before Putin!

          Yes, yes, all sorts of Chelsea yachts for all 20 years. Vostochny cosmodrome nowadays - also the intrigues of ebn? :) what kind of police regiment no shake-millioner.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 19 February 2021 11: 16
            -5
            How many governors were they imprisoned under Eltsin?
            and Chelsea was bought and the yachts were not built with money that was stolen in the 90s?
            by the way, under Putin, the cops' polkans even began to be cowardly. With yours, they covered the bandits and wanted to spit on the population
            1. Andy
              Andy 19 February 2021 11: 25
              +2
              coward those who do not share what then what now. and to others, even in the slammer lafa and lobsters (tsapok)
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 19 February 2021 11: 27
                -8
                you'd better work off your grant somewhere else.
                because here people in general are adults and they perfectly understand that you are spilling kaklov according to the training manual.
                it is they bring everything to the top, which made both the yanyk and the piggy famous, and you don’t need to transfer your reality to Russia.
                1. Andy
                  Andy 19 February 2021 11: 30
                  +3
                  What do you, Dodik, do not like the facts confirmed by photographs in the media? but it would be nice to answer for grants and so on. Is there a confirmation or do not dodiks need this?
                  1. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 19 February 2021 11: 32
                    -8
                    what facts and what photos?
                    I have no doubts that you have mastered Photoshop in your department.
                    so come on endyusha, cut the truth to the uterus.
                    1. Andy
                      Andy 19 February 2021 11: 39
                      +7
                      Photos of Vyacheslav Tsepovyaz, sentenced to 20 years of strict regime in the case of mass murder in the village of Kushchevskaya, Vyacheslav Tsepovyaz, appeared on the Internet, are genuine, but taken in 2015, the press service of the Federal Penitentiary Service for the Amur Region reported.
                      Court hearing. Archive photo
                      1 February 2018, 12: 30
                      In the Kuban, victims of Tsapok's gang received compensation
                      Earlier, a number of media outlets published photographs in which the convict Tsepovyaz poses in a prison uniform with a mobile phone in his hands, and on the table he has food not from the prison menu, for example, crabs, shashlik and red caviar.
                      The press service of the FSIN noted that the materials of the check were transferred to the investigating authorities
                      The leader of the Kushchevskaya organized criminal group Sergey Tsapok and members of his gang were convicted of the murder of 12 people in the village of Kushchevskaya in the fall of 2010. This crime is considered one of the most notorious in the modern history of Russia. Tsapok himself was sentenced to life, but died of illness on the night of July 7, 2014 in a pre-trial detention center, where he was awaiting the consideration of a complaint against the verdict.

                      on, dodik, read- https://ria.ru/20181106/1532233805.html. though I didn’t understand how a person who died at 14 could eat caviar at 15 ... but this is not for me
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                    3. Andy
                      Andy 19 February 2021 11: 54
                      +4
                      wrong people. but you asked for confirmation, get it. now it's your turn about my grant.
                    4. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 19 February 2021 12: 07
                      -5
                      what did you confirm? the fact that convicts can order a hawk at https://fsin-mag.ru/
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 19 February 2021 14: 49
        -2
        Right now, they are building cosmotromes and holding Olympiads and cracking cops and officials who were stealing up to the governors and ministers.

        When did this happen before Putin (not counting Stalin and Ivan the Terrible)?

        IT HAS NEVER BEEN BEFORE IN RUSSIA !!!

        And they always dragged under the princes and under the tsars and under the general secretaries, and under Yeltsin, in general, they took away everything with pieces of Russian land.

        Or, in your opinion, in the 90s no one from the high-ranking was imprisoned for bribes, probably because of the fact that they were not taken in the 90s and only under Putin did it start ?!)))
        1. Andy
          Andy 19 February 2021 15: 14
          -1
          Serdyukov is even inconvenient to remember. an irreplaceable person until now. and did not sit down even in a warm place. THIS HAS NEVER BEEN AND HERE AGAIN! how cosmodromes are built and olympiads are held - nothing else can be called theft of cosmic proportions. type the Vostochny cosmodrome in the search engine.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 19 February 2021 15: 23
            -2
            Type - "criminal cases Vostochny cosmodrome" in the search engine.
            1. Andy
              Andy 19 February 2021 15: 30
              -1
              So what? did they stop stealing less? "And Vaska listens and eats."
  • Berber
    Berber 19 February 2021 14: 06
    +1
    Tryndet not to roll bags. Oil jumped up to a hundred square meters only in 2008, and by the beginning of its "reign" it cost $ 20-30 per barrel.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 19 February 2021 15: 26
      -1
      Moreover, there is a budgetary rule that anything over $ 40 per barrel goes to the country's reserves, and is not spent on current needs.

      And today 40 dollars is the same 20 in the 90s, taking into account inflation in dollars.

      And the difference in the level of development of the country and the lives of people is simply enormous.
  • Andy
    Andy 19 February 2021 10: 58
    +4
    just yesterday laughed at quotes about Estonian intelligence and on you - the second series of the Marlezon ballet
    "And Putin took it all out !!! He brought Russia to the leaders of the world economies, paid off its debts, accumulated reserves of 600 billion dollars (this is the proceeds for 4 whole years of oil trading), won the war in the Caucasus."
    tell me the "winner" why Kadyrov solves issues according to understandings and not according to the law of the Russian Federation. where he wanted to send his abreks to the kondopoga several years ago. the leader of the world economy is already funny. Is it also a leader in terms of pensions?
    "For people under Putin in Russia it has become the usual norm - housing on a mortgage, trips abroad, several cars for a family !!!"
    and also the norm of living in emergency houses. in the Kaliningrad region, 100m from the customs office on the main street of Sovetskaya, signs - caution, the danger of collapsing balconies. gas explosions, etc. Take a trip through the turf where there is still no asphalt or gas and ask what it is like for them to drive a leased Mersey. I advise you not to get out of the car, you can eat. you will have time to leave
    and Primakov saved the country from default. year of premiership see
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 19 February 2021 11: 14
      -6
      Don't you like personnel? And he fought on the side of Russia in the second war, which saved more than one hundred lives of Russian soldiers. He and his son and his people.

      And it was thanks to Kadyrov that the war in the Caucasus was ended, since for the Chechens Akhmat was not just a politician, but a spiritual leader. His participation in this war on the side of Russia determined the future of Chechnya and Russia.

      And Ramazan is his son, and yes in the Caucasus there are strong traditions, but at the same time there are the laws of Russia.

      You can just as well make a claim to Bogdan Khmelnitsky, they say, it is clear that he returned part of Ukraine, but he served the Poles earlier and fought against Russia, stormed Smolensk, saved the life of the Polish king. Probably more than a dozen Russians hacked to death.

      However, Khmelnitsky is considered a hero of Russia, and by right !!!

      I served in Chechnya for 9 years on a contract basis in 42 divisions and border guards then, were you a hater of Kadyrov there?
      1. Andy
        Andy 19 February 2021 11: 21
        +2
        oh how! a snake turned around. I remembered Khmelnitsky. you answer for today. and yes I want to live by the law and not by concepts!
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 19 February 2021 11: 25
          -3
          Quote: Andy
          oh how! a snake turned around. I remembered Khmelnitsky. you answer for today. and yes I want to live by the law and not by concepts!


          I would have to answer this -

          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

          I served in Chechnya for 9 years on a contract basis in 42 divisions and border guards later, and you, a hater of Kadyrov, there was?


          I would ask the same - were you, dear man, in the 90s in Chechnya? Or, as all corrupt officials - "mowed", and now you want to see Putin's fight against corrupt officials?

          So, who, according to the law, wants to live there - were you in Chechnya in the 90s?
          1. Andy
            Andy 19 February 2021 12: 03
            -2
            and where does this? if the years and place of service differ from Chechnya, then do you think I should live according to gangster concepts? you are just stupid like your nickname, which, by the way, contradicts the rules of the site about veiled rudeness or swearing
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 19 February 2021 12: 39
            0
            Quote: Nasr
            like all corrupt officials - "mowed"
            Or else he walked around, just got used to the pot, rather.
        2. d1975
          d1975 19 February 2021 23: 55
          +1
          Well, by what law, are you serious? This is ridiculous! We have complete chaos in the Kuban. During the 90's, it was a little easier for ordinary people, there were no such runs in life. The values ​​were already blurred, but at least what concepts were there, but now what? In the offices of the office by inheritance, in most areas the Varangians rule, the elections, well, this is a laughing panorama. Domestic policy 2 -------------- this is the only way. Instead of controlling the economy to help it, here banks are saving, then their friends. Well, everyone cannot be good. Yes, we say well, not EBN, but the same rake in front of us is already more clearly visible. I have one question, when will they turn to the people according to the law, and not concepts?
      2. Hypertension
        Hypertension 19 February 2021 12: 06
        +3
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        I served in Chechnya for 9 years as a contract in 42 divisions

        Interesting division ... Leaked tons of weapons to the Ichkerians.
        By the cipher telegram of the Minister of Defense of Russia, General of the Army P. S. Grachev, dated May 20, 1992, the commander of the North Caucasian Military District was allowed to transfer 173 percent of the military equipment and weapons to the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria from the presence of the 50rd Guards OTC.

        Armament and military equipment of the 173rd OTC and other military units, through robbery and extortion, passed into the hands of Chechen separatists. Only small arms, which were in warehouses and bases, 400 thousand units fell into the hands of Dzhokhar Dudayev. In the village of Shali, where the tank regiment was stationed, all armored vehicles remained completely. Also passed into the hands of the separatists 42 tanks, 34 infantry fighting vehicles, 14 armored personnel carriers, 139 artillery systems, 101 anti-tank weapons, 27 anti-aircraft guns and installations, 270 aircraft (of which 5 are combat, the rest could be used as combat), 2 helicopters, 27 wagons of ammunition, 3.050 tons of fuels and lubricants, 38 tons of clothing, 254 tons of food. [3]

        In 1992, when the division was disbanded, the Chechen Republic received: 42 tanks, 36 BMP-2, 14 armored personnel carriers, 44 MT-LB, 139 guns and mortars, 101 anti-tank weapons, 27 multiple launch rocket systems, 2 helicopters, 268 aircraft, of which 5 combat, 57000 small arms, 27 wagons of ammunition, 3 thousand tons of fuels and lubricants, 254 tons of food.

        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/42-я_гвардейская_мотострелковая_дивизия
        1. d1975
          d1975 20 February 2021 00: 01
          0
          An acquaintance of mine was there at the time, and what your wiki is writing looked wrong! The military became hostages of politicians. My friend was serving there at that time. My father had a big company, but an acquaintance served there, and then almost bought a train with soldiers. What don't you write, how you attacked the units, how you took them hostage? there is no respect for your sources, Vicki, you would have given a link to the State Department here. fool
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 22 February 2021 12: 12
            0
            Quote: d1975
            The military became hostages of politicians.

            Well, yes, well, yes ... They just "followed the order." And if the NATO members are now ordered to hand over their weapons, will they also become "hostages of politicians"? If the soldiers see that the generals are betraying them, then you should probably think about whether to carry out a criminal order or not.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 19 February 2021 12: 34
      -5
      Quote: Andy
      why Kadyrov decides on the basis of understanding and not according to the law of the Russian Federation. where is he there in the kondopoga of his abreks wanted to send some years ago
      This is like an example of how Kadyrov resolves issues.
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        1. sniperino
          sniperino 19 February 2021 12: 49
          -5
          Quote: Andy
          Your own recipe for putting things in order ...
          Is the specific "recipe" of Kadyrov and the solution of a specific issue in Kondopoga by the authorities somehow connected in a cause-and-effect relationship? Or you do not care about it, just to pour more shit into the ears of the people.
          1. Andy
            Andy 19 February 2021 12: 54
            0
            rummage in the internet. instead of supporting the investigation, who is the instigator of the statement from Kadyrov that he will not give his own insults. is it a law or a concept?
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 19 February 2021 13: 03
              -6
              Quote: Andy
              rummage in the internet
              # Closing the Andy process
              kill andy
              1. Andy
                Andy 19 February 2021 13: 09
                0
                By golly you are tired of bots. everything is in the public domain, you want to find it.
    3. Ugochaves
      Ugochaves 19 February 2021 15: 32
      +2
      Do not confuse the responsibilities of federal and local authorities. What hurts you, kick your officials, otherwise agree that you should be happy with the "Putin" child in the garden (as an example)
  • Berber
    Berber 19 February 2021 11: 03
    +1
    I don't care, I'm for justice. And here I agree with you categorically. And this one (with several accounts) is constantly in the same topic. Like a "woodpecker".
  • Wolf
    Wolf 19 February 2021 12: 51
    +3
    They forgot to say that the military pilots did not receive their salaries for several months, and that their wives had nothing to feed the babies and that their wife was vihodil at the military airport to protest that the military pilots cut off the electricity because of not paying for electricity.
    Ludi has a short short memory Putin on 31.12.1999/XNUMX/XNUMX accepted the totally destroyed country and state, and Gaidar's "reform" and the rest were PLOUNTING THE PEOPLE AND THE STATE IN CLEAN OUTSTANDING, FOR IT, THEY ALL DESERVED PUMPLINES SHOT ON TV as in China.
    The same thing happened in Ukraine, AND LUKASHENKO THEN SAVED BELARUS ONE OF THIS SCENARIO AND FOR IT, ALEXANDER LUKASHENKO DEWARDED THE ETERNAL GRATITUDE OF HIS PEOPLE.
    But today Aleksandar must make the reform towards an efficient and efficient economy and faster.
    And then the OLIGARCHY RUSSIA FORMED BY THE ROBBERY OF THE CRIMINALS AND THE KILLERS ..
    Vladimir Putin cleaned it all up skilfully, wisely, without using any extra power. But all the same, the tax reform needs to be done on the rich so that they will slowly return the money to the people and the state, and I am sure that Putin will do it wisely and smartly as he saved the country from total destruction.
    1. Berber
      Berber 19 February 2021 14: 13
      +1
      I categorically plus, I myself was in this skin.
      Quote: Wolf
      They forgot to say that the military pilots did not receive their salaries for several months, and that their wives had nothing to feed the babies and that their wife was vihodil at the military airport to protest that the military pilots cut off the electricity because of not paying for electricity.
  • Ugochaves
    Ugochaves 19 February 2021 15: 25
    +1
    It was all that way. It's just that some individuals' eyes and "brains" are tightened up with fat.
    "And China in the 90s already showed excellent economic growth rates"
    in the 90s in China there was a course towards industrialization and almost in every village there was a "metal workshop" that produced everything from needles to machines (exaggerating, of course) and all of the corresponding "quality". I had a chance to check everything on my own and the experience of friends, from spare parts to cars. Even now, Chinese spare parts am
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 19 February 2021 16: 24
    +1
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    I will now tell you about Putin's successes.

    And I will tell you about Stalin's successes. As a result of the Great Patriotic War, the USSR lost more than 26 million people. However, the population was restored after 000 (000 years after the end of the war).

    But after 1947, cards were canceled (GB did it in 1955).
    The results of the first five-year plan made it possible to say that the industrial potential of the pre-war USSR has been restored.
    But this is not the main thing. It never occurred to Stalin or anyone else after him to build a house in memory of Hitler, who was directly responsible for the attack on the USSR. Who came up with the idea without asking and without any reason to threaten 9 billion (according to some estimates, up to 11 billion) rubles in order to perpetuate the memory of that (EBN), after which Putin got the wreckage of a great state?
  • antivirus
    antivirus 19 February 2021 11: 12
    -1
    The story is known to the Swiss gnomes. While they are silent.
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 10: 17
    0
    corvettes of the project Type-056 / 056A (class "Jiangdao")
    I never get tired of being amazed at the masters of the pen, here is the corvette (which is the class) and the project and the type and again the class.
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 19 February 2021 10: 17
    +11
    The Chinese are great for setting up the production of French engines at home. There is a lot to learn from our effective managers
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 19 February 2021 10: 31
      -4
      Would the French give us their engine technology? Then why are you not in the shoes of these managers? Or is it always more visible from the couch? As always, VO has a bunch of talents in managing the country and defense, but the sofa attracts them like a magnet.
      1. 7,62x54
        7,62x54 19 February 2021 12: 17
        0
        You are a diamond in this "heap of talents".
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 19 February 2021 13: 36
        +2
        Technomash Holding bought $ 290 million from Rolls Roysaz their plant in Bergen: Bergen Engin for the production of marine diesel engines. Range from 1,500 hp to 12000 hp. The deal includes production facilities, service sites around the world and the most important design office with all intellectual property. is the owner of the Kolomna diesel engine, so we live. I hope the Americans will not fit in. A billionaire is a billionaire. hi
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 19 February 2021 10: 33
      +4
      Quote: 7,62x54
      There is a lot to learn from our effective managers

      Our defective managers should not be taught, but treated with hard (and not very) labor under the supervision of paramilitary guards in accessible places exclusively for the benefit of the state. There is not a single branch of industry in the country, no matter where their stupid, "narrowly sharpened" mind and raking hands have penetrated.
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 19 February 2021 11: 11
    -6
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    I will now tell you about Putin's successes.

    It is not often possible to read such a competent and very detailed answer.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 February 2021 11: 59
    +2
    To build shipyards at such a pace, it is necessary to build shipyards. Putin VV inherited shipbuilding breathing in incense. What we built in the 90s can be counted on one hand. I saw all this degradation with my own eyes. Sometimes I went on steamers through the Murmansk shipyard, from thousands of workers In the 80s, there were a couple of hundred left. All shipyards built during the USSR lost the logistics of delivering materials. One Amber in Kaliningrad is worth something. It is necessary to increase the area of ​​construction slipways, but there is no possibility. Urban development is propped up. Communications must also be supplied. Kerchinsky Bay so he has logistics on Mariupol was. The larger the sheet of ship steel, the lighter in weight and the faster the hull is made. On the Star of limitations from the size of tunnels and bridge crossings on sheets of steel. Well done, that lately, at least in old capacities, billions have been poured into modernization. Let's break through, not the first time, the most important thing money began to be paid to shipbuilders, but of course not all of them have turned their faces to the working people.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 19 February 2021 17: 26
    +1
    72 units! Today the article is how Ukraine is going to build 1 (one) similar corvette, with similar weapons with dimensions. With the help of Turkey. Our shipbuilders get it from me, but in Ukraine in shipbuilding it’s quite ...! hi hi
  • Nemchinov Vl
    Nemchinov Vl 19 February 2021 19: 40
    0
    Quote: Doccor18
    Corvette should not be unnecessarily expensive and difficult, wherein...
    - I agree !!! ... yes 20380, is a farce !!!.
    corvette -
    Quote: Doccor18
    This is the "workhorse" of the fleet. And there must be many
    that is, "Positive" in the role of the radar (and according to the NLC) "Mineral-M" ("Monolith") and the "Shtil-1" air defense system ... and the UKSK for the PLUR / RCC .... !!! Why "Zaslon" and "Redoubt", if expensive and not functional ?!?! .. alternative - pr. 11664 !!!
    Quote: x.andvlad
    72 units in 9 years. This is about 8 pieces a year !!!
    over the last year 2020, corvettes 056-A were transferred to the fleet 16 units, but in total 24 NK .... (!), that is, the remaining 8 units are two EM type 055, two or three 052D, and three or four fr. type 054 ?! .
    BUT, let's pay attention to the fact that the components (GTE, gearboxes and diesel !!! /engines/ localized) and rhythmically released on the territory of their country, in SUFFICIENT quantity !!! belay ... and not this predetermined the SUCCESS of the shipbuilding programs for the Chinese Navy ?!
  • Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 19 February 2021 19: 56
    +1
    No need to envy! Deripaska-Selenga's yacht! All will win! It's sad all this!
  • Anton Shtopany
    Anton Shtopany 19 February 2021 23: 53
    -1
    72 pieces and we built a palace for bebebe