The Marker training pistol enters the testing phase

TsNIITOCHMASH has started manufacturing prototypes of the Marker training pistol for testing. This was reported by the press service of Rostec.

The state corporation noted that the ROC "Marker" was started by TsNIITochmash specialists on an initiative basis, at the moment working documentation has been prepared for the manufacture of prototype pistols, which will take part in preliminary tests.

At the present time, working design documentation has been developed for the manufacture of prototypes and preliminary tests.

- TASS leads the message of the press service.

The "Marker" pistol is intended for conducting trainings to increase the level of fire and tactical-special training of employees of various Russian law enforcement agencies, as well as for entertaining and competitive shooting of civilians and holding competitions.

The main units and parts of the pistol are unified with the pistols of the "snake line" (Boa constrictor, Poloz, Aspid) already created at TsNIItochmash. "Marker" is similar to the existing combat models of small arms weapons, but stands out for its bright distinctive coloration on the barrel and bolt. The design of the pistol excludes the possibility of using live ammunition.

The declared firing range is 10 meters, the operating temperature is from -5 to +30 degrees Celsius. Resource - up to 4 thousand shots. Pistol length - 206 mm, weight without cartridges - 0,78 kg, magazine capacity - 18 cartridges.

Comments

[silverura]

"Marker" enters the testing stage

This is news, this is the Blue Marker pistol.
And you all about the decommissioned - the ships "Orlans", about the bad. If not a Chinese craft, then the rules. Oh, this color is blue!

[Terenin]

Here's another infa about "Marker", the son of "Aspid" ...
Taking into account the specifics of training weapons, which are often used by inexperienced shooters, the designers are planning a number of additional "fuses". So, the pistol will not be able to shoot live ammunition, and their civilian versions. In addition, the design of the "Marker" will exclude an involuntary firing in case of operating errors - overheating or impacts.
The novelty will be based on the assemblies of pistols RG120 and "Udav"

[AlexVas44]

In my opinion, 10 meters for practice shooting will not be enough, but if for the entertainment of average managers, then yes, of course.

[NDR-791]

if for the entertainment of average managers, then yes, of course.
Still wondering how much money did all this pleasure fit? So it is possible for 6200r. take ready-made and quite high quality.

And even if you get used to it, I do it all over the world. Only we again go our wilds.

[zadorin1974]

Dobrogo Artem. In my opinion, your reasoning is not correct. Based on your statement, we loan us something to design and produce when you can just buy. We are already well behind in training complexes and training manuals. Strike and laser-shooting samples are practically Only, we are just starting to produce. And even then, single samples. The children themselves were dragged into the games by a sinful thing ten years ago. Not fanatically, but we ride the shoots. And I declare with full responsibility that even we have strong rolled teams that can and the professionals, in the person of the SOBR, give a head start when storming or defending buildings, there were general training sessions. I saw the training of a group of originals who practice with pneumatics (with steel balls).

[NDR-791]

I saw the training of a group of originals who practice with pneumatics (with steel balls).
I myself am one of such originals, this is in the first place. And secondly, I will really and persistently prove that the creation of such toys is not an occupation for Rostec and TsNIITOCHMASH. If we talk about import substitution in such a case, then a private trader may well cope with this. Fortunately, now we have a lot of private traders in these pneumatic guns.

[zadorin1974]

You probably did not understand me Artem about training with pneumatics. These comrades do not work on targets. For each other, like in a strike. At the expense of Rostec and Tochmash, these are practically the same private shops. As K. Kalashnikov. And at the expense of import substitution. -Remember how we were shaved off by the Germans for the construction of the test site. It was naturally finished, but by what ways and means? Everything related to the means of combat training and defense should be our own, no matter how expensive it is. And then two years back we are on the airlock was simply piled on concrete during the exercises at the sight of our pensioners running to the attack with shouts of waste. Then all right, at least the leadership of the laser was persuaded.

[NDR-791]

These comrades do not work at targets, at each other, as in a strike.
Understood perfectly. It's called heartball, and yes, it's almost a strike, but it hurts And I'm just talking about him.
Everything that concerns the means of combat training and defense capability should be its own, no matter how expensive it is.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. The fact that Rostec, Tochmash and Kalashnikov are private traders is all "from the evil one." Don't believe it. If the army, the National Guard or the Ministry of Internal Affairs needed a training pistol, then this is not a reason to lay out amounts comparable to Chubais.

[zadorin1974]

As the saying goes, I take off my hat, I could not overpower myself ... With children in a strike only in a mask and helmet (it's a shame to go to service with a punctured muzzle Well, at the expense of a training pistol for millions, this is the same injury, but with a straight barrel.

[Old tanker]

The polygon was finished on its own and is cheaper than the price list of Rheinmetall, which Serdyukov hired.

[zadorin1974]

So the main thing was in the equipment (German). Of course, installation and commissioning turned out to be cheaper. Just compare the same interactive shooting galleries made in Israel and ours. The difference is not noticeable?

[Old tanker]

We had laser simulators of shooting and destruction for small arms and tanks back in Soviet times. In our school, a company of tanks was re-equipped for LISP. And at the beginning of the 15s, we showed the ostentatious exercises with the ISD in the defense of the ISV in the offensive (two-way). But Serdyukov decided to finance German industry, not ours. As well as the pneumo-frame field camp, I bought it not from us, but from the Germans. Moreover, with a temperature limit of only -XNUMX. And our battalion was originally assigned a multifunctional training complex. Our equipment and weapons are not German.
So it's just Serdyukov's tricks with Rheinmetall, and not the introduction of advanced NATO training technologies.

[zadorin1974]

I only read about tank simulators on the internet. At the Russian stand on wheeled vehicles (development and software MADI), I myself had an internship. But for some points I liked the French simulator more.

[Old tanker]

I saw a training session of a group of originals who practice with pneumatics (with steel balls).

Hardball is called. More suitable for training professionals. Strike is not preparing for real combat. Since there is no fear of catching a real bullet and retreating to another world, and not to the collection point of the "killed" and to smoke there until the end of the game. Getting bruised from a steel ball is also a good incentive to stay out of the way.

[zadorin1974]

At the expense of strike pieces of iron it is controversial Sergey. I now have a spring SVD 180m / s and RPK 145. In the premises under the ban. Young people are now winding up tyuns shamelessly. And the hart for me is a little hard))))

[Old tanker]

I have a good friend, after he switched to hard, he dropped the strike. Oshushnniya speaks completely different and adrenaline rushes stronger.

[zadorin1974]

Here, to each his own. At one time, a chip was considered a straight line along the sirloin. After two or two motions, I somehow wore off all the excitement (I had to take out one ball. And there are only 187 and 0,32. Well, his such happiness.

Now I have more for the foreman))))

[-Dmitry-]

Still wondering how much money did all this pleasure fit? So it is possible for 6200r. take ready-made and quite high quality.

This is not for practice shooting as such, but for practicing tactical tasks, for example, shooting in the cabin of an aircraft, in which there are both terrorists and hostages at the same time. How to shoot combatants in such conditions?

ZY Any pneumatics are in no way suitable for the role of training weapons - it's one thing to shoot from a firearm and quite another from a pneumatic.

[hhurik]

And what, are you going to fight with someone with a pestle about 100-150 meters? Or even in the People's Commissariat-style - are you shooting with one hand? This is a thankless occupation - and, most importantly, ineffective.

The standard of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia "Shooting from a place at a stationary target with a given zone of destruction":

firing line: 10 m;
number of cartridges: 5 pcs .;
time for production of one shot: no more than 6 s;
shooting position: standing

[zadorin1974]

And you, Lyova, first read Order 880 of 17 (there is also revision 20). Maybe you won't write nonsense about "pistils".

[hhurik]

I strongly recommend that you don't shake your personal nonsense

Clause 88 of the aforementioned normative act
Exercises for police officers:
88.1.2. Exercise B. Shooting from a spot at a stationary target with a given zone of destruction:
target: chest figure (target No. 6c), stationary, the affected area is a white rectangle measuring 21,0 x 29,7 cm, located in the center of the target vertically, with its upper edge located 10,5 cm below the upper cut of the target;
firing line: 10 m;
number of cartridges: 5 pcs .;
time for production of one shot: no more than 6 s;
shooting position: standing;

The pestle is a device for fearless walking into the latrine at night, they do not fight with it at a distance of over 10-15 meters in principle. What competent people in the central office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs finally realized and reflected in the relevant requirements for the training of police officers.

[zadorin1974]

Here are just three exercises: chest, chest swivel, height. Something like this. And the traffic police and patrol officers do not go on the attack, when training 15 meters from a pistol is not a problem. Do you need a machine gun?

[Lipchanin]

The design of the pistol excludes the possibility of using live ammunition.

I wonder what kind of cartridges?
If such which can be freely bought, then I would shoot from it.

[hhurik]

Probably like these. My colleagues have trained on police courses in Hungary - shooting from blue training glocks is a common element of training there.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: hhurik

Probably like these.

Thank you

[silverura]

can be freely bought, then I would shoot from it.

Better not,
The prefix - Dendi was once on sale. There was a game - to shoot ducks at the screen. You'll like it!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: silverura

There was a game - shoot the ducks at the screen

Shot

You'll like it! good

Liked

[Puskarinkis]

And what's the point in a special weapon with a resource of several thousand rounds and ammunition for it? The price will not be like that of a toy, but "practice" quickly. Better craft and use combat weapon training ammo! So that the barrel does not erase, but the effect is, like from trauma.

[hhurik]

Some emergency will surely happen, and almost immediately. It's like with cartridges for PMM - which were supplied to the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the mid-90s, and they immediately, without leaving the issuance window, began to be shoved into service PMs with the subsequent destruction thereof due to the high-power ammunition. In my PMM unit, they generally snuck out of the duty section - replacing it with a pneumatic, similar in appearance, in the closet.
We must proceed from the logic that most users are. Which can only be trusted with a ball of armor steel with diameters of more than 10 cm - so as not to be swallowed. Accordingly, training bullets must be unique so that both they themselves and the ammunition for them are not plundered and used in combat. These painted pistils, safe for the health of those around them, live in shooting galleries - well, it's sunny, not a candle - not a damn poker.

[Siberia 9444]

- 5 celsius We have nothing to do with him in Siberia

[cat Rusich]

My opinion ... Rename training-training pistol "Marker" in training-training pistol "Uzh".

To comply with the "snake series"