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Syria and Israel, the standoff continues

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Have you noticed how sometimes it is not clear why the information space explodes in one place or another? It would seem that an ordinary, even periodic event for many years suddenly arouses great interest, and a lot of differently directed materials appear on this matter.


I was very surprised by the appearance quite recently of just such materials about Israel's shelling of Syrian territory, especially the suburbs of Damascus and Syrian transport routes. An unprepared reader immediately gets the association “shelling - Russian military”. This is actually a threat to Russia!

The last shelling took place quite recently, on 15 February. The Israelis fired 16 missiles in the suburbs of Damascus, 13 of which were successfully intercepted and shot down by Syrian air defenses. In fact, only 3 missiles "worked". It is clear that the missiles were not shot down with slingshots. Russian air defense systems supplied to Syria are working quite effectively.

Why is Israel attacking Syria at all? Indeed, from the point of view of their effectiveness, it looks rather awkward. Who and why raises the topic of shelling and the confrontation between Syria and Israel in general? Let me remind you that both of these states are still at war. Wars since 1948!

Why the Israelis will keep shooting


Yes, this is what the near future of Syrian-Israeli relations looks like. A strange "apparent truce", which is accompanied by periodic blows from both sides. Although in quantitative terms, the Israelis are shooting more and more often. Moreover, there are no apparent reasons for these attacks. Damascus is not talking about the return of the Golan. There are no attacks on Israel by government forces.

I remember events more than ten years ago. Israel commemorates Holocaust Remembrance Day and Heroism - 2010 Holocaust Remembrance Day. Jerusalem memorial complex Yad Vashem. Speech by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu:

«Historical the mistake of the countries of the "free world" was that they did not challenge the Nazi beast when it could still be stopped ... The Iranian leadership is accelerating the development of a nuclear weapons and openly declares his intention to destroy Israel, encountering, at best, weak voices of protest, and even those soon subside. "

“We do not yet see in the world community the determination that is needed to stop the armament of Iran. I call on enlightened nations to rise up and condemn this desire for destruction, I call on to act with due determination. "

"The United Nations must be sensitive to threats posed by one UN member state to another UN member state ... Weapons of mass destruction in hands capable of destroying the masses, accompanied by a chorus of voices calling for such destruction, is the most dangerous combination for the world."

I specifically cited three quotes at once so that the position of the Israeli government would immediately become clear. The emergence of Iranian nuclear weapons is like death for Israel. It is quite difficult to confront alone against several Arab countries with weapons and military equipment comparable in power and capabilities, even with the help of the United States.

So, the main enemy for Tel Aviv today is not Syria, but Iran. This explains the strikes against humanitarian and military columns moving towards Tehran. The fact is that the supply of goods through Syria is very stressful for the Israelis precisely because it is here that there is a possibility of delivering some components to Iran for the production of nuclear weapons.

If you add up all the pieces that make up the changes in the Iranian army, you get a very dark picture for Israel. Strengthening air defense and missile defense, the emergence of weapons of mass destruction, a powerful army with rich combat experience, missiles capable of striking not only the border areas, but also the capital and other cities ...

But all this does not explain the attacks on Damascus. And then another fear of Israel emerges. If Iran does not have a common border with Israel, then Syria does. Less than a hundred kilometers, but there are. And the Syrians do not need to create missiles with a range of 300-500 km. So what's the secret?

And the secret is that the production of missiles, other weapons, guidance systems and other military production is actually located in the suburbs of Damascus. And if earlier, before the appearance of Russian air defense systems in Syria, Israeli planes fired at Syrian targets with impunity from the territory, more precisely, from the sky of Lebanon, now any such flight is under the control of the Syrians. The aircraft comes under the control of the S-300 practically from the moment of takeoff.

So far, the Russians have been able to restrain the fighting impulse of both the Israelis and the Syrians, but in the event of an aggravation, Syria may well shoot down Israeli planes over Lebanese territory. However, in the already existing reality there is the fact that control over aircraft is automatically also control over the launch of missiles. That is, the Syrian air defense has the ability to guide missiles along the entire flight path and, accordingly, shoot them down.

So the Israeli concern is understandable. The advantages over the enemy are fading. And I don't want to give up the Golan. Moreover, the Israeli government considers them already their territories and is actively developing them today. This issue urgently needs to be resolved diplomatically. Otherwise, war.

Sometimes the question arises about the legality of the actions of one side or the other. There is no peace treaty, as I indicated above, between Syria and Israel. Consequently, the illegality of the shootings cannot be proven. War is like war. Legally, these actions are in full compliance with international laws.

Russia is forced to solve security issues


We fully understand Israel's concern. Possible opponents are getting stronger. Their armies are not only gaining combat experience, but also modernized. Moreover, this is a really big problem for Tel Aviv; exactly the weapons are being acquired that are necessary to neutralize Israel's armament.

I'll start with one message that rocked the entire region. This material was published in the London newspaper "Al-Sharq al-Awsat". This newspaper is also printed in Marseille, New York, Frankfurt, Casablanca, Cairo, Dubai and Beirut, as well as in Saudi Arabia - Riyadh, Jeddah and Dhahran. The newspaper belongs to a citizen of Saudi Arabia (the family of Prince Ahmed bin Salman, which owns more than 30% of the shares).

So, in December 2020, at the Russian military base Khmeinim, secret negotiations were held between Syria and Israel on the issue of normalizing relations. The composition of the participants was quite serious. Former chief of the General Staff of the Israeli army Gadi Ayzenkot, head of the General Directorate of Security of Syria Ali Mamluk, adviser to President Bashar al-Assad on security Basam Hasan, one of the former leaders of Massad Ari Ben Menashe, commander of the Russian contingent in Syria, Lieutenant General Alexander Chaiko.

Agree, impressive. And it is immediately clear what kind of business those who have always succeeded in doing everything in recent years - the Russian military and special services - have taken on. What the Arabic edition was told about is also known:

"... the meeting discussed agreements under which Israel will help Syria return to the Arab League, settle the Syrian debt and lift Western sanctions, while Syria will refuse to cooperate with Iran and Hezbollah."

The negotiations were successful, but ... for some reason, there was no progress by mid-February. What's the secret? In the media, you can find many versions of why the agreements are not being implemented. And the answer, as is often the case, lies on the surface. It is enough to go to the official website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the same Syria.

“These paid false fabrications come from the same source as normalization. The Syrian position on the occupation remains unchanged. Our policy meets the interests of the entire Arab people, and the main issue for us is Palestinian. "

“The purpose of the publication is to draw the entire region into an alliance created by the West and the Zionists using threats and incitement. Syria will not refuse to return the Golan Heights. "

This post was posted back on January 19th! But for some reason, the Western media preferred not to notice him. This is understandable, the purpose of this fake was well defined in the Syrian Foreign Ministry.

Relations between the countries are indeed tense. The last phrase in the statement of the Syrian Foreign Ministry just speaks about it. The Golan Heights are still a matter of questions. It will be quite difficult for Israel today to explain its withdrawal from these territories to its citizens, and for Syria, accordingly, to explain the abandonment of these territories.

The only thing that is true in the message of "Al-Sharq al-Awsat" is that, among other issues of the settlement of Syrian-Israeli relations, the Russian military has become involved.

Let me remind you of some facts. On February 8, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu discussed international and regional security issues in a telephone conversation. Yes, this was not the only issue of this conversation, but it was discussed.

After this conversation, on February 10, at the initiative of the Israeli Ministry of Defense, a telephone conversation took place between Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Israeli Deputy Prime Minister, Israeli Defense Minister Benjamin Gantz. Shoigu and Gantz discussed issues of interaction between the two countries to ensure stability in the Middle East region.

It seems that no documents were signed. We discussed, outlined sharp corners, solved some issues related to the activities of our own departments. But the results have already appeared. To quote the Syrian state news agency SANA:

“Damascus, with the mediation of Russia, is negotiating with Israel on a prisoner exchange deal. Damascus is seeking the release of two Israeli prisoners who previously lived "in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights" - Nahal al-Makat and Diab Kaamuz. In exchange, the Syrian authorities are ready to release a young Israeli woman who two weeks ago "accidentally" entered Syria in the Quneitra region and was detained by the Syrian security forces. "

Diab Kaamuz, a resident of the village of Rajar, was detained on September 4, 2016 for an attempted terrorist attack in the Haifa area. In addition, Caamuz was accused of espionage, assisting the enemy in the war against Israel, coming into contact with a foreign agent, transferring classified information to the enemy, entering into a criminal conspiracy, illegal possession of weapons, attempting to smuggle weapons.

Shams Nahal al-Makat. There is little information about this woman. In addition to being the sister of a terrorist sentenced to 27 years in an Israeli court, she herself was sentenced to three years for incitement in July 2020.

In response, the Syrians release a young Israeli woman, who two weeks ago "accidentally" entered Syrian territory in the Quneitra region and was detained by the Syrian security forces. According to reports in foreign media, we are talking about a 25-year-old resident of the Israeli city of Modiin Ilit. The woman was detained two weeks ago.

No end in sight yet


The unresolved Palestinian issue continues to strain both the Arabs and the Israelis. The conflict has already taken on a "chronic" form, when both sides justifiably or falsely accuse each other of violations. The only difference is at what point to start considering these violations.

There are many ways to resolve the conflict. But they all imply either concessions from either side, or mutual concessions from both sides. And this is where the stumbling block lies. Both Israel and Syria see themselves as right. And they always ask the same question: why should we give in?

The UN and other international institutions have actually signed their impotence. The governments, and indeed the peoples of Israel and Syria, are also not eager to concede in a longstanding dispute. The tension persists. Nobody knows how to solve the problem of Palestine.

One thing remains - to prevent the intensification of hostilities. The region is tired of the war. People are tired of the war. But people are used to war. This means that with the next exacerbation, the number of victims of the war may grow several times. Again we will wait for the coming of the Messiah ...
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 22 February 2021 05: 09
    +8
    No end in sight yet
    The UN and other international institutions have actually signed their impotence
    Again we will wait for the coming of the Messiah ...
    For almost a century there has been a conflict, no one already remembers how that began ... but everyone considers themselves right.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 22 February 2021 07: 56
      +28
      ... Why Israelis will keep shooting

      Because it's safe. The enemy looks like a defenseless target.

      Although Russia seems to have volunteered to defend Syria, it has adopted a strange ambivalent position. Protects only from a weak enemy, but not from those that are stronger. She pretends that she has nothing to do with it and that it does not concern her at all.

      Israel shows its strength (it doesn't matter that in Syria, Russian troops and even a Russian plane were shot down with their participation), and our side is weakness. No, I am not calling for war with Israel, Turkey and the United States. I know we won't! I mean - what are we doing there at all on the distant approaches? Isn't it better to deal with Donbass at home?
      1. Until Ger
        Until Ger 22 February 2021 10: 44
        +5
        israel .... for some group
        Russian (and whether Russian ....?
        with multiple passports ...)
        citizens is
        alternate airfield,
        historical homeland,
        (Underline whatever applicable).
        Who will shoot
        on your own?
        Who will give such an order?
        Better still arcade
        hang one medal ...
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 14: 31
          +1
          You have almost no Jews left there, isn't that why Russians should be passed off as Jews, so that the claims to the tap remain relevant?
          1. Thrifty
            Thrifty 22 February 2021 14: 41
            +3
            Ironic hi - in Crimea, you also "mischievous" by removing all the water from all the taps on the peninsula? ??? lol good drinks
            1. ironic
              ironic 22 February 2021 15: 23
              +2
              Take it steeper - all over the world, but we can, we captured it long ago, we are supposed to be chosen! The crane monopoly is such a monopoly ... good
              This is because of us a lack of water resources and, as a consequence, a warming climate. Everyone is tense and emitting greenhouse gases ... And we are to blame.
            2. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 22 February 2021 19: 56
              +5
              Quote: Thrifty
              Ironic hi - in Crimea, you also "mischievous" by removing all the water from all the taps on the peninsula? ??? lol good drinks

              No, colleague, everything is clear with Crimea. Few Jews remained there. They didn't do it, alas ...
              There, the Slavs drank the water in the tap. lol hi
              1. ironic
                ironic 22 February 2021 21: 40
                +2
                Everything, now we can assume that they have passed the conversion. Poor guys, they don't know what they've done. lol
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 22 February 2021 21: 56
                  +7
                  Quote: ironic
                  Everything, now we can assume that they have passed the conversion. Poor guys, they don't know what they've done. lol

                  Well, giyur is not giyur, but we got caught on drinking tap water. And, mind you, drinking from the tap cold water! Because, as if there is no water hot in the tap, the Armenians drank it. lol
                  But seriously, no small water pipelines with pumping will help. Desalination plants will need to be installed. Not one, but three pieces of medium size. Moreover, the situation with the energy sector in Crimea is also bad. We will have to solve the problem comprehensively, with our own autonomous power plants.
                  They will come to this. Here, the Crimeans cannot do without Jews. For desalination plants, this is to Israel. Otherwise, it's just a pity for the waste of time and money. hi
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 22 February 2021 22: 29
                    0
                    From so out of the fire, then into the half-light. laughing Either straight Jews or anti-Semites, no third option is offered. lol

                    Well, yes, the two power units that they threw there for desalination will be very small in terms of the generated power of electricity, taking into account the fact that they already need to cover the shortage. I'm afraid Israel will not want to stand between Ukraine and Russia in the Crimea case. Therefore, there is a problem with desalination.
      2. dauria
        dauria 22 February 2021 13: 09
        +3
        I mean - what are we doing there at all on the distant approaches?


        We push our interests. Finally, they realized that there was no need to do good to the Syrian (Armenian, Polish, Czech, etc. "fraternal" peoples). It is enough to support your ruler in the capital and not let him be overthrown. And so our region, we did not quarrel with anyone. If they can kick them out, they will kick them out. But they will not have to regret that they built factories, schools, hospitals at the expense of the Russian Vanka and Masha.
        In short, thanks to the Americans for the science of holding countries.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 22 February 2021 15: 10
          +24
          Quote: dauria
          Pushing through own interests.

          What, can I get more details?

          And most importantly, such a moment. The final chain of any interests, as a rule, is a benefit measured in money. Huge amounts of money have been and are being spent on Syria, the actual amount of which is even classified. Question. When will the money be recouped and on what? Do you have an answer to this?

          I think he is not even in the Kremlin. But the people should know for what the war is waged by the devil and for what the belts have to be tightened.
          1. dauria
            dauria 22 February 2021 17: 54
            +3
            When will the money be recouped and on what? Do you have an answer to this?


            Well, if measured in bucks ... laughing How much is a naval base in the Mediterranean? Airfields? Yes, just for the sake of a piece of land in the right region of the country, they are waging wars on the verge of a nuclear one.
            And to measure in money - so rent out Moscow together with tenants, one hell of a benefit from them for the country with a gulkin's nose. And so with a black sheep at least a tuft of wool. laughing
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 22 February 2021 19: 48
              +23
              Quote: dauria
              How much is a naval base in the Mediterranean?

              It is a well-known fact that the United States and China buy naval bases by paying good rent, giving out loans (and other goodies). But no military base in a foreign state is worth waging a war for and sacrificing hundreds of lives of its own citizens, even if it is a Syrian base.

              Even disregarding the casualties suffered, the huge sums of money spent on the Syrian war could have bought dozens of military bases, if not hundreds elsewhere.

              Quote: dauria
              Yes, just for a piece of sushi in the right area countries are waging wars on the verge of nuclear.

              Namely, Syria, in your opinion, is this such a place?)) Just in case, let me remind you that the acquisition of a military base in Syria was not the official goal of the war. These are your guesses. You have not answered, will the costs be repaid to us or can you forget?))
      3. ironic
        ironic 22 February 2021 14: 27
        +3
        Israel has fired its entire history and when it is not safe and will shoot even if it is not. We have become accustomed to this insecurity for decades. We didn’t start it, but apparently only we will finish it.
        1. Fat
          Fat 24 February 2021 02: 22
          0
          There is not a single Jew who has not been a little bit Russian. Fatal affinity. And Israel is not in favor.
          1. ironic
            ironic 24 February 2021 14: 24
            +2
            There is no doubt that during a long stay with a certain ethnos, another ethnos borrows certain traits and traditions. But this is true for all ethnic groups. The fact that Russian-speaking Jews have borrowed certain characteristic Slavic traits and customs for at least 200 years, well, this is an absolutely inevitable reality.
      4. Machito
        Machito 22 February 2021 17: 50
        +4
        Quote: Stas157
        ... Why Israelis will keep shooting

        Because it's safe. The enemy looks like a defenseless target.

        Although Russia seems to have volunteered to defend Syria, it has adopted a strange ambivalent position. Protects only from a weak enemy, but not from those that are stronger. She pretends that she has nothing to do with it and that it does not concern her at all.

        Israel shows its strength (it doesn't matter that in Syria, Russian troops and even a Russian plane were shot down with their participation), and our side is weakness. No, I am not calling for war with Israel, Turkey and the United States. I know we won't! I mean - what are we doing there at all on the distant approaches? Isn't it better to deal with Donbass at home?

        In Israel, May 9 Victory Day and the Immortal Regiment. We share the same values. My friend lives in Israel, he is not a Jew, he is Russian, just like me. He says that in Israel every fourth person speaks Russian, and they will send you to hell faster than you say: maza faka. Our grandfathers sat in the same trenches. And it is sad for them to see our disagreement from heaven. The State of Israel was founded by IV Stalin, the Minister for Nationalities. Now children in Syria are actively learning Russian
        Maybe the great and mighty Russian language will become the platform that will reconcile the Israelis and Syrians? Russian mat is the same everywhere. But, intonation is our everything !!!! drinks
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 21: 50
          +1
          Every fifth, but in the first generation, in the second, they speak poorly, even ethnic Slavs.
          Not necessarily a checkmate. I was taught to read the Torah in Hebrew by a former SA starley, special forces soldier, Russian.
      5. Ryusey
        Ryusey 25 February 2021 15: 10
        -1
        Go figure it out, although who am I telling this).
    2. dSK
      dSK 22 February 2021 08: 01
      -4
      Russia officially announced its readiness to destroy Israeli Air Force planes attacking Syria
      As it became known to EVO-RUS.COM, citing its own source, the Russian Federation has warned of its readiness to shoot down Israeli planes if they resume flights to Syria ...
      1. dSK
        dSK 22 February 2021 08: 10
        +2
        Israel and Syria have agreed to return to their homeland an Israeli woman detained in Syria, provided that Tel Aviv buys a batch of Russian coronavirus vaccine and transfers it to Damascus, The New York Times reports, citing a source familiar with the negotiations.

        The same information appeared in the newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat, the publication refers to Israeli sources. As the newspaper writes, one of the Israeli TV channels quoted an official who said about the "additional price" that was paid by Israel when concluding an agreement on the return of the woman ...
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 14: 34
          +1
          It should be added that the Russian side turned to the Israeli side with a request to classify this information and Israel still classified it until it was leaked to the media from other sources.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 22 February 2021 08: 27
        +28
        Quote: dsk
        The Russian Federation warned of its readiness shoot down Israeli planes

        Have you heard. We believe !! Even the S-400 was put there after our plane was shot down. And at first everyone was scared! ... But that was at the beginning.

        All that Russia has shown at the moment is to make loud statements, move air defense systems, and in the event of a serious aggravation - to ban tomatoes. Turkey and Azerbaijan have already suffered from this.
      3. ironic
        ironic 22 February 2021 14: 32
        +1
        Yes, only in Israel they don't know about this for some reason, despite the presence of a direct military channel of communication between the two Defense Ministry in Russian.
    3. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 22 February 2021 09: 23
      +7
      Quote: Dead Day
      For almost a century there has been a conflict, no one already remembers how that began ... but everyone considers themselves right.

      do not confuse “I don’t know” and “nobody remembers”.
      those for whom we are talking about their home perfectly remember why they are fighting.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 22 February 2021 13: 51
        +1
        Quote: Dead Day
        no one even remembers how it began ... but all consider themselves right.

        On June 22, they started theirs when the Syrian armored divisions began their operational deployment.
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 14: 38
          +4
          June 22 for the Arab armies began in the 67th, and Israel used the scenario with certain improvements, betting on the confidence that the Soviet doctrine since the deployment of the 9th Army against Romania in 40-41 has not changed and turned out to be right. The consequences were the same. In 6 days everything was over.

          And in 73, everything was not so, and the Syrians did not manage to take advantage of the advantage and suffered a crushing defeat in the Golan from the inferior forces of the Israeli army. At the cost of considerable losses, but precisely defeat.
    4. Svoy_tovarish
      Svoy_tovarish 22 February 2021 13: 56
      +10
      Why doesn't he remember? After all, we have information about the beginning of the conflict. And it began the next day after the announcement that a new state, Israel, had appeared on earth. And this state was attacked, a coalition of several Arab countries. Israel was forced to defend its existence in the very first days. And he defended them then. He defended later, and the policy that Israel has been pursuing to this day is a policy that it has been following from day one. Over time, Israel is taking new measures to protect its state and applying a strategy of pre-emptive strikes, and such strikes, when, in response to one rocket attack, an aircraft strike at several targets, causing more damage at times than was caused to Israel itself as a result shelling. Someone will say this wrong? Unfair or overly? Israel has its own opinion on this matter, and so far no one has been able to prove that this opinion is wrong. And in my opinion it cannot
    5. ironic
      ironic 22 February 2021 14: 25
      +4
      They remember very well in more than small details. At least the Jews.
    6. Doctor
      Doctor 22 February 2021 14: 40
      +1
      For almost a century there has been a conflict, no one already remembers how that began ... but everyone considers themselves right.

      If the century. Beginning with 2 Kings. laughing

      5 And the Syrians of Damascus came to the aid of Adraazar king of Suva; but David smote twenty-two thousand Syrians.
    7. Revolver
      Revolver 23 February 2021 00: 11
      +5
      Quote: Dead Day
      for almost a century there has been a conflict, no one already remembers how it began

      It all began with Mohammed and his teachings, in particular that the land, once under the control of Muslims, cannot pass under the control of the infidels. Therefore, Muslims will never accept the existence of Israel in the former Arab territory. Even if the states and make peace with Israel, all sorts of al-Qaeda, ISIS, and the Muslim Brotherhood will continue to jihad for the liberation of the holy Muslim Palestine. As, however, and el-Andalus (now Spain), and the Balkans almost to Vienna, and the Crimea with the adjacent steppes that belonged to the Crimean Khan, and the Kazan, Astrakhan, and Siberian khanates.
  2. Azef
    Azef 22 February 2021 06: 03
    +2
    Whatever the reasons for the conflict, but constantly shelling the capital of neighboring states, which is under the protection of the nuclear power of Russia, this is already a high-level impudence ... I generally keep quiet about the UN ...
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 February 2021 15: 28
      +4
      It is audacity to provide a springboard for an attack on Israel right under the nose of the nuclear power of Russia, which is not at all interested in such a situation.
      1. Ryusey
        Ryusey 25 February 2021 15: 15
        0
        Oh, you must be offended that Iran is going to enter the EAU?))
        1. ironic
          ironic 25 February 2021 21: 29
          0
          In general, I have no way of where Iran wants to enter, I have no desire to harm Iran in any way for the sake of only doing harm. The only thing that matters is that the burgundy guys in skirts do not stretch their rags to the nuclear warheads.
  3. Destiny
    Destiny 22 February 2021 06: 04
    +13
    Both Israel and Syria see themselves as right. And they always ask the same question: why should we give in?

    That is why "this music will be eternal."
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 22 February 2021 12: 47
      0
      Quote: Destiny
      That is why "this music will be eternal."

      As I understand it, this music will be eternal until Israel returns the Golan to Syria. And he will never allow this, because the entire Israeli agriculture will collapse due to lack of water, i.e. the food base of the country will suffer greatly. All the tales of the Israelis about Iranian nuclear programs are designed only to prevent the equality of the military potentials of Israel and Iran, in which the Syrians will behave quite differently in this matter. The speculation that the ayatollahs will immediately destroy Israel as soon as they have nuclear weapons, are designed for the near public, because according to the strategic partnership, the United States will have time to smudge Iran before the first Iranian missiles fall on the promised land. But the Israelis will not be allowed to attack Iran if it has nuclear weapons - the United States also does not want everything in the Middle East to go to pieces because of the insane actions of their charges.
      This means that it will be necessary for all parties to prepare for protracted and possibly compromise agreements on the Golan, where the Palestinians and Iranian nuclear programs will be a smokescreen, and which will still be implemented. I do not see any other reasons for the current shelling, that is why the Israelis need to provoke the Syrians so that some local conflict could postpone the issue of the Golan's ownership for a long time.
      1. ironic
        ironic 22 February 2021 14: 49
        +2
        That the Israelis did not touch Assad for many years until he lost control of his territory. And even today they tell him directly, don't get involved in our showdown with the IRGC and no one will touch you, but no, everyone is trying to shoot back. And he should have forgotten about the eastern Golan for a long time, not only from water considerations, but also from strategic and political ones. The Golan is a strategic trophy of war taken from the losing aggressor side in battle for attack. According to Israeli law, the Golan is included not by ordinary law, but by the so-called. basic law, which in Israel is equal to constitutional laws in other countries. To repeal this law requires a consensus of political forces, which is unlikely to ever be reached. This is the procedural part. As for the border policy, our NGSH is the last one, which is very different from as many as three of its predecessors, bypassing the political echelon, and directly warned that it is better not to hurt us, it will not seem a little, and this is not a typical situation even for Israel. In case of unsuccessful digging, you can stay without the Western Golan and the Russian Federation will not save and the United States will not be stopped.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 22 February 2021 18: 47
          +3
          Quote: ironic
          In case of unsuccessful digging, you can stay without the Western Golan and the Russian Federation will not save and the United States will not be stopped.

          Then why are you constantly screaming about the Iranian nuclear program, since you are so brave?
          1. ironic
            ironic 22 February 2021 18: 54
            +1
            Why are you constantly screaming for our aviation, if we are such cowards?
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 22 February 2021 19: 25
              +1
              Quote: ironic
              Why are you constantly screaming for our aviation, if we are such cowards?

              Yes, we are not afraid of your aviation - you yourself will be afraid to strike at our base. And the fact that you are the source of the conflict situation for Syria is obvious. That is why Putin has not ignored all your antics against Assad since the days of his father. He learned this technique from you - we know this well from the history of our country.
              1. ironic
                ironic 22 February 2021 19: 46
                +1
                By you, I mean you personally. I, unlike you, do not make generalizations. Why would Israel attack Russia? Russia is not included in the number of g-tv hostile to Israel. We have full-fledged diplomatic relations, trade and visa-free travel. Forgot?
                There are some glitches for you. If we were at least a participant in the Syrian conflict, the Western Golan would have long been on this side of our border. Of course GDP does not leave. If anything Nataniyahu calls him directly. Yapatstal. lol
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 22 February 2021 19: 55
                  -2
                  Quote: ironic
                  Unlike you, I am not doing generalizations.

                  I agree that you have a petty-graven approach.
                  Quote: ironic
                  Why would Israel attack Russia?

                  Are you broadcasting from the virtual world?
                  Quote: ironic
                  Russia is not included in the number of g-tv hostile to Israel.

                  You're lying, and your position in relation to Ukraine refutes this.
                  Quote: ironic
                  If we were at least a participant in the Syrian conflict, the Western Golan would have long been on this side of our border

                  Let's get back to this issue after Iran receives its nuclear warheads, i.e. in five years I think. Then let's see how you will talk with Syria.
                  Quote: ironic
                  If anything Nataniyahu calls him directly.

                  When he nags and as a miserable coward urgently calls to apologize - we still remember this from the Il-20.
                  Quote: ironic
                  Yapatstal.

                  From there and broadcast, since there is your place ...
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 22 February 2021 20: 16
                    -6
                    In general, the approach is not inherent in you, the application of poop does not count. This is just inherent in herbivores, which does not even reach the female approach.

                    What reality are you in? Or has the grass got caught?

                    Themselves lie twice. An enemy stance is a stance on the battlefield. And you're lying that I'm lying. My position on Ukraine is in line with the promises that the Russian Federation has signed under international documents and has pledged to abide by.

                    If it does, then you will find out about it at the beginning of a full-scale war in BV, but the Russian Federation is hardly interested in such a development of events. How did we talk to Syria when she tried to build her reactor? I think the answer is clear.

                    Did you attend the conversation? What is not? I thought so. Of course, you need to remember about Il, and about the responsibility of the stripes who allowed the death of an entire crew of Russian officers from the Soviet-made Syrian missile, as well as immoral libelists who tried to cover up with blood libel against Israel, with the smell of inquisition times, stripes for some, from too comfortable leather chairs.

                    Do you know why you don't belong there? You are dreary and boring, with children's complexes.
        2. Ryusey
          Ryusey 25 February 2021 15: 17
          +1
          Maybe so, or maybe you will take a sip of sea water when you are thrown into it.
      2. Israel
        Israel 22 February 2021 23: 16
        +1
        As far as I understand, this music will be eternal until Israel returns the Golan to Syria.

        Why should Israel return the Golan, Syria was defeated in the war, the territory was taken away as the victorious side. Moreover, now Syria would hold its territory.
        And let's frankly, if Israel lost in that Six Day War, then the victors would have staged a terrible genocide and it is very annoying that the USSR supported the opposite side in that war.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 23 February 2021 02: 46
          +3
          Quote: Israel
          Why should Israel return the Golan, Syria was defeated in the war, the territory was taken away as the victorious side.

          I would add that the Golan belongs to Israel on the same international legal basis on which Koenigsberg Kaliningrad belongs to the Russian Federation. By right, the undisputed winner in a war unleashed by the losing side.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 23 February 2021 11: 29
          -2
          Quote: Israel
          Why should Israel return the Golan, Syria was defeated in the war, the territory was taken away as the victorious side.

          Why did Israel appear in the Middle East after the Great Patriotic War, if it was defeated two thousand years ago, and the territory belonged to the Arabs and Ottomans for many centuries?
          Quote: Israel
          And let's frankly, if Israel lost in that Six Day War, then the victors would have staged a terrible genocide and it is very annoying that the USSR supported the opposite side in that war.

          This is just from the field of propaganda, and nothing more - Jews even live in Iran and are in no hurry to move to Israel.
          So whether you want to close the Golan issue or not, it will be a headache in the Middle East for a long time, and Azerbaijan's example in relation to Armenia can teach you something.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 23 February 2021 12: 45
            +2
            Quote: ccsr
            Jews even live in Iran and are in no hurry to move to Israel.

            Maybe they are not in a hurry, or maybe they don't, as it was in the USSR.
            Maybe they even support the existing government, as in a letter to Soviet Jews in 1967, an anti-Zionist group.
            But the fact remains.
            Before the Islamic revolution, there were 85 thousand Jews, but today there are no 10-15 thousand. many are hiding their nationality, and I hope this is also familiar to you.
      3. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 23 February 2021 00: 04
        +1
        Quote: ccsr
        As I understand it, this music will be eternal until Israel returns the Golan to Syria.

        You are right, but no further.
        Quote: ccsr
        because the entire Israeli agriculture will collapse due to lack of water, i.e. the country's food base will be severely affected.

        Today, 50% of total water consumption in Israel (and 80% of drinking) is desalinated sea water.
        In addition, Israel reuses 95% of its wastewater - an absolute world record.
        Quote: ccsr
        But the Israelis will not be allowed to attack Iran if it has nuclear weapons

        It will not appear, it is declared by the Israeli government.
        Likewise, the Iraqi and Syrian reactors of the US were not given consent.
        Quote: ccsr
        This means that it will be necessary for all parties to prepare for protracted and possibly compromise agreements on the Golan

        Never and no one will return the Golan to Syria, so that from there they again shell the entire territory of Israel.
        Now analyze what your reasoning is worth.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 23 February 2021 12: 54
          -2
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Today, 50% of total water consumption in Israel (and 80% of drinking) is desalinated sea water.

          You know better, but here's what the wiki writes:
          The system of streams and rivers constitutes the general natural drainage of the Kinneret Lake. The hydrogeological underground basin includes aquifers of the Jurassic, Eocene and Quaternary deposits (basalts and alluvial sediments). The basin borders stretch from Mount Hermon in the north to the Sea of ​​Galilee in the south. The western boundary is the watershed between the Western Galilee basin and the Kinneret catchment. The eastern border is defined by the Golan Heights.
          The basin is replenished by direct precipitation (rain and snow) and lateral flow across the border from adjacent basins. The contribution to the basin's water is estimated at 560 million m3 per year, which is 25% of Israel's water consumption.

          Not everything fits with your numbers.
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          It will not appear, it is declared by the Israeli government.

          I wonder how you can stop the Iranian nuclear program?
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Never and no one will return the Golan to Syria, so that from there they again shell the entire territory of Israel.

          I heard this excuse, but still water is the main reason here.
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Now analyze what your reasoning is worth.

          Your propaganda chatter means absolutely nothing to those who understand the origins of this problem.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 23 February 2021 18: 53
            -2
            Quote: ccsr
            You know better, but here's what the wiki writes:

            Yes, this is a very "serious source", but how does he relate to your statement
            Quote: ccsr
            because all Israeli agriculture will collapse due to lack of water, i.e. the country's food base will be severely affected.

            This was relevant in the period before 1967, and Syria reasoned more than once, as you have now blocked these sources.
            As they say, what they fought for ...
            This is not the main source today, especially for agriculture.
            Quote: ccsr
            I wonder how you can stop the Iranian nuclear program?

            This is not for me.
            IDF Chief of Staff Aviv Kohavi, speaking at the Institute for National Security Studies, said that he instructed the Israel Defense Forces to prepare several operational plans in case Iran comes close to developing nuclear weapons.
            Israel has previously stated that that Iran's nuclear facilities can attack, if Joe Biden's administration decides to return to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) on the Iranian nuclear program.
            Quote: ccsr
            I heard this excuse, but still water is the main reason here.

            To this one, I answered you above.
            Quote: ccsr
            Your propaganda chatter means absolutely nothing to those who understand the origins of this problem.

            I UNDERSTAND THE STROKE OF YOUR THOUGHTS.
            About is in line with the thoughts of the author of this "analytical article".
            As you can see, I did not even try to comment on this nonsense, in contrast to the discussion with you.
            And all this lies in just one thought.
            We will tear everyone apart, and then there are some Jews, and they also do something that US we must also consult with them, and even endure what they are doing.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 23 February 2021 20: 13
              -1
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              This was relevant in the period before 1967, and Syria reasoned more than once, as you have now blocked these sources.

              Well, return these heights to the Syrians, and warn them that if at least one shell arrives from there, then according to the plan of the IDF Chief of Staff Aviv Kohavi, they will be dealt a nuclear strike, since you are not even afraid of Iran. What is the problem of keeping foreign lands, roses do you have enough of your own water?
              I clearly explained to you that the Syrians, like the Azerbaijanis, will not hesitate to return the Golan in any way, especially since these lands have never belonged to Israel.
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              that we also need to consult with them,

              We don’t need to consult with you at all - you’ll cope with the extremists yourself without our advice. We are morally on your side, but not in the case of the Golan.
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 23 February 2021 22: 52
                0
                Quote: ccsr
                We are morally on your side, but not in the case of the Golan.

                Thank you!
                Relax and forget about the Golan ...
                Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon and received a Hezbalah with missiles on the border. Left Gaza, got Hamas on the border, that's quite enough, we don't need Iran in the Golan.
                You must understand that the state of Syria is de jure, and de facto it is
                territory divided between Russia, Iran, Turkey, USA, Kurdish formations and various other gangs.
                Quote: ccsr
                more that these lands never belonged to Israel.

                Read the Bible. if you don’t find I will help YOU.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 24 February 2021 11: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  You must understand that the state of Syria is de jure, and de facto it is
                  territory divided between Russia, Iran, Turkey, USA, Kurdish formations and various other gangs.

                  And this gives Israel the right to seize and hold foreign territory? Why are you then surprised that the Syrians treat you like that?
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  Read the Bible. if you don’t find I will help YOU.

                  Don't worry - I'm not a believer, and the Bible compiled by your compatriots is not an argument for me.
                  1. Vitaly gusin
                    Vitaly gusin 24 February 2021 13: 09
                    -3
                    Quote: ccsr
                    And this gives Israel the right to seize and hold foreign territory?

                    This same right applies to Konisberg, Crimea, the southern Kuril Islands, as well as peacekeeping troops to Moldova, Abkhazia, Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, which then turn
                    в MILITARY BASES which influence the domestic and foreign policies of these states.
                    Quote: ccsr
                    Don't worry - I'm not a believer, and the Bible compiled by your compatriots is not an argument for me.

                    The Bible is not only for believers, it is also a historical story of the development of mankind.

                    Then Moses separated three cities on this side of the Jordan to the east of the sun, [41] Deut. 19: 2. 42 so that the killer flees there, who will kill his neighbor without intent, not being an enemy to him, neither yesterday nor the day before yesterday, and that, having escaped to one of these cities, he may remain alive: [42] Num. 35: 6. 43 Betzer in the wilderness, on the plain in the tribe of Reuben, and Ramoth in Gilead in the tribe of Gad, and Golan in Bashan in the tribe of Manassin

                    After the Six Day War, many architectural monuments were discovered that testify to the existence there a large Jewish population at least from the time of Herod I until the Arab conquest in the 3th century. The ruins of synagogues, columns with images of Jewish symbols and with inscriptions in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek were found in the areas of the villages of Hamat Gader, Khirbet Kanaf, Kafr Kharib, the city of Katzrin and in many other places [XNUMX] ..


                    5-6th century synagogue in Capernaum. Beneath it are the ruins of an older synagogue, in which, according to the Gospel, Jesus taught.
                    Well, Syria got it against the French against the British.
                    THIS IS NOT A LIKE BUT HISTORY!
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 24 February 2021 19: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                      This same right applies to Konisberg, Crimea, the southern Kuril Islands, as well as peacekeeping troops to Moldova, Abkhazia, Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, which then turn

                      Have you already defeated Syria, what do you compare the capture of the Golan as the result of your victory? Have they already signed the act of surrender and the agreement on the recognition of the Golan for you?
                      Well, why did you drag Pridnestrovie, Abkhazia, Ossetia and Nagorno-Karabakh, I don’t know - apparently you don’t even know the status of these territories. Crimea itself decided to join Russia - your media simply do not tell you about it.
                      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                      The Bible is not only for believers, it is also a historical story of the development of mankind.

                      Well, the Jews came up with it - will you deny it or not? Why am I obliged to believe in your fairy tales, if we have enough of our own?
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 23 February 2021 19: 28
            -2
            Quote: ccsr
            I wonder how you can stop the Iranian nuclear program?

            Bombing. As already stopped in Iraq and Syria.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 23 February 2021 20: 17
              +1
              Quote: Nagan
              Bombing. As already stopped in Iraq and Syria.

              Here's what they write on VO about your capabilities:
              the most powerful are the S-300PMU-2 Favorit. In 2016, Iran purchased 4 divisions of these air defense systems from Russia. But it is impossible to protect the entire rather large territory of the country with their help. Therefore, the S-300PMU-2 air defense missile system and the Tor-M1 air defense system are used to cover nuclear facilities.

              https://topwar.ru/171210-s-400-i-drugoe-oruzhie-kak-rossija-mozhet-pomoch-iranu.html
              As you know, the embargo ended last year, so Iran will buy new air defense systems, including from Russia.
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 23 February 2021 20: 31
                0
                In my opinion, do not buy, this is purely psychological restraint. In that state as it is now, it is generally better not to annoy the IDF .. Especially on the BV.
                All this is utopia, bring the Golan back, throw it into the sea.
                For this it is necessary to grow economically and technologically. This is how I, in general, do not go into details.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 23 February 2021 20: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Shahno
                  This is how I, in general, do not go into details.

                  Well, since everything is in chocolate, then what do you care about Iran's nuclear programs, since you are shouting about them everywhere?
                  1. Vitaly gusin
                    Vitaly gusin 24 February 2021 08: 52
                    -1
                    Quote: ccsr
                    Well, since everything is in chocolate, then what do you care about Iran's nuclear programs, since you are shouting about them everywhere?

                    At elevated temperatures, chocolate turns from solid to liquid. Germany in 1939 proved this.
                    And in order to be in chocolate, you need to cool down the person who wants to raise the degree.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 24 February 2021 11: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                      And in order to be in chocolate, you need to cool down the person who wants to raise the degree.

                      Your demagoguery reminds me of one anecdote about a rescued drowning boy - "Where's the cap?"
                      Now you are not afraid of anything, then some kind of chocolate is boiling with you, in a word you will come up with something.
                      1. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 24 February 2021 13: 14
                        0
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Now you are not afraid of anything, then some kind of chocolate is boiling with you,

                        Well, YOU yourself answered
                        can you think of something with a word.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 23 February 2021 02: 37
      +1
      Quote: Destiny
      Both Israel and Syria see themselves as right. And they always ask the same question: why should we give in?

      That is why "this music will be eternal."

      It will end when one side forces the other to surrender unconditionally and draws the border as it sees fit.
  4. ee2100
    ee2100 22 February 2021 06: 06
    -2
    It was reported last week that Iran is installing missile launchers at the Iranian military base "Imam Ali" in eastern Syria, near the border with Iran.
    To the border with Israel it is about 500 km. So, the missile flight time will be reduced by 2 times if the Iranians shoot directly from their border. However, since the main missile positions of Iran are located in the depths of its territory, the actual flight time is reduced by three to four times. 
    Launchers will be placed underground in tunnels.
    The tension is growing.
    1. Arpad
      Arpad 22 February 2021 07: 33
      +7
      Quote: ee2100
      that Iran is installing missile launchers at the Iranian military base "Imam Ali" in eastern Syria, near the border with Iran

      Iran has no border with Syria.
      Quote: ee2100
      So that the flight time of missiles will be reduced by 2 times if the Iranians will shoot directly from their border.

      Two for you in geography.
      1. dSK
        dSK 22 February 2021 07: 53
        +2
        Quote: Arpad
        Two for you by geography

        If Iran does not have a common border with Israel, then Syria has it. Less than a hundred kilometers, but there are. / author. /
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      3. ee2100
        ee2100 22 February 2021 08: 28
        +5
        Yes, on the border of Syria and Iraq, but the Iranian base
    2. ironic
      ironic 22 February 2021 14: 53
      +2
      Oleg Granovsky has infa that Israel for the first time in almost 20 years is carrying out serious changes on the site in Dimona. It is assumed that the site will be expanded.

      And on any position on the territory of Syria, Israel will sooner or later strike without waiting for its combat readiness.
      And how does this kind of mathematics come out, on the territory of Syria it is twice as fast, and in the depths of Iran in the 3-4th? Is it some kind of non-Euclidean geometry?
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 22 February 2021 15: 53
        0
        He hurried and made fun. laughing according to available data, Iran can deploy up to 200 launchers at its bases in Iraq, i.e. in the center of Iraq and I mentioned the base on the border of Syria and Iraq, and this is 2 times closer than from the proposed deployment of missiles at bases in Iraq and 3-4 times closer than from the location of launchers in Iran itself.
        Is non-Euclidean geography clear now?
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 16: 50
          +1
          Obviously, really wrong, this is not non-Euclidean, this is sci-fi geometry. fellow
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 February 2021 06: 53
    -2
    Israel is the main annoying factor in this region and Jews are well aware of this. But information strikes, moreover the collective West, are inflicted on Iran every day - "Iran is one step away from the creation of nuclear weapons", "The world is threatened by the threat posed by Iran" ... etc., etc. And if so, as they believe in Israel, then he (Israel) endowed itself with the "right" to strike at the Syrian territory, motivating this with its national security. T.N. The "international community" turns a blind eye to this, quietly thinking that this annoys Russia, which in their opinion is excellent and of course damages the Assad regime, which is doubly wonderful for them. Therefore, as long as Israel and Iran exist, which means for a long time, tension in this region will not disappear.
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 February 2021 15: 04
      +5
      The main annoyance factor, you forgot to write, and yes we know that. They constantly want to annoy us. They have such a hobby. Israel cannot live without irritation. And yes, of course, the country's security dictates its behavior. Israel has never set the goal of destroying Iran, and even more so, no Israelis will ever think of the genocide of the Persian people. But the bearded guys in yupkas have already managed to carry out the destruction of Israel in a legislative form. Therefore, let them stop annoying us and the tension disappear. There is strong tension with the UAE, they cannot cope with the pressure of Israeli tourists scurrying to the UAE and back on both sides, in spite of the crown and attempts of both sides to somehow limit it. Real Israeli aggression with attacks on UAE shops. The UAE is straight in sadness.
    2. Israel
      Israel 22 February 2021 16: 56
      +4
      Is it Israel that openly declares the destruction of Iran? It's over Israel, the main irritant in the desert without huge reserves of oil and gas, has built a first-world country, to which ordinary people dream of fleeing, including from Iran, how annoying it is.
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      1. ironic
        ironic 22 February 2021 15: 19
        +3
        You do not understand. This can be known only with the help of God-bearing and incomprehensible soullessness, for this burden is the only true, righteous and inherited by the beggarness of the spirit, to which the future Rome is promised.
    2. Dima rulev
      Dima rulev 22 February 2021 09: 42
      +7
      Will the USA collapse? How is it? It seems to me that Russia will fall apart 10 times more than the USA will collapse.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 February 2021 10: 56
      +5
      Quote: Boris55
      When the United States collapses, and this is not far off, Russia will be the only country to stand up to Israel's defense.

      If the United States collapses, then everyone will have it, not to Iran, and not to Israel.
      1. ironic
        ironic 22 February 2021 15: 20
        +1
        An amazingly simple and accessible idea. Everyone should think it over before writing, but then ...
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 23 February 2021 02: 51
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        If the United States collapses, then everyone will have it, not to Iran, and not to Israel.

        Yes, finally, no one will be up to anything, and most likely there will be no one. And if there are survivors, they will envy the dead.
    4. ironic
      ironic 22 February 2021 15: 13
      -3
      We are so stupid that we only do everything to prepare for the salvation of Israel by one single God-bearing, without even understanding where to her God-chosenness, in view of the USA's disintegration. And probably because God-bearing has no less problems with the neighborhood than God-chosenness, all that remains is to pray - in the name of oats and hay, and a pig's ear, aluminum!
  7. Arpad
    Arpad 22 February 2021 07: 45
    +14
    Sorry, but the article is weak. Yes, I don't want to get into dozens of inconsistencies.
    I'll start with one message that rocked the entire region.

    did it really stir up? Actually, I learned about this article from VO. Nowhere in our country she was not mentioned in the Internet or in the news. neither in Russian nor in English. somehow strange for an article that stirred up the region.
    well, this is generally a masterpiece. yes, I don't want to comment - absolutely divorced from reality.
    And if earlier, before the appearance of Russian air defense systems in Syria, Israeli aircraft fired at Syrian targets from the territory with impunity, more precisely, from the sky of Lebanon, now any such flight is under the control of the Syrians. The aircraft comes under the control of the S-300 practically from the moment of takeoff.

    So far, the Russians have succeeded contain the fighting impulse and the Israelis, and the Syrians, but in the event of an aggravation, Syria may well shoot down Israeli planes over Lebanese territory

    quotes?
    In response, the Syrians release the young Israeli woman, two weeks ago "accidentally" that entered Syria in the Quneitra region and was detained by the Syrian security forces.

    this frostbitten stuffed animal. considers itself a border denier and has already been caught (by the border service) several times while trying to cross the Jordanian border. , Get to Gaza (several times) once per lot by sea.
    The Israeli woman, returned from Syria as part of an exchange deal, has repeatedly stated that she does not recognize borders, and also warned that she chooses her place of stay "depending on her desire." This became known on Saturday, February 20, after studying her publications on the social network. Recall that the name of the Israeli woman is still banned from publication.
    On the social network, a 22-year-old girl from Modiin-Ilit defines herself as a "daring person", indicates adherence to Vedism (Indian religion).
    “I feel at home where I am at the moment, and a stranger - in the place of my birth,” she wrote in one of the publications.
    From another post it follows: "I do not recognize any of your borders - neither green, nor blue, nor purple. And the red border will not stop me."

    Well, for some reason the author forgot to mention. what is in the exchange transaction. for the return of this dr ... Israel bought Sputnik V / a for several lamas the Russian military under the guise of Russian humanitarian aid supplied them to the Syrians. laughing
    nothing personal . just business.
  8. Alex russia
    Alex russia 22 February 2021 08: 04
    +9
    Judging by the reviews, everyone is simply indignant about Israel, but let me gentlemen, why exactly, and why should Russia be in conflict with Israel, to the delight of Turkey and Iran? No, thank you! Whatever one may say, but it is Israel in this region that is a civilized country with a democratic system of government, and not Iran, Turkey in which does not smell of democracies, and in fact both are countries with totalitarian regimes that destabilize the entire region (especially Turkey) and even dreaming of acquiring nuclear arsenals. Yes, can you imagine what will happen if they receive it ?! God forbid !!!
  9. Professor
    Professor 22 February 2021 08: 17
    +1
    The last shelling took place quite recently, on 15 February. The Israelis fired 16 missiles in the suburbs of Damascus, 13 of which were successfully intercepted and shot down by Syrian air defenses. In fact, only 3 missiles "worked". It is clear that the missiles were not shot down with slingshots. Russian air defense systems supplied to Syria are working quite effectively.

    Not the last but the last one. While the terrorists trample the land of the SAR there will be more strikes.
    About " 13 of which were successfully intercepted and shot down by the Syrian air defense"must be added"according to the Syrian side".
    Russian air defense systems supplied to Syria are working NOT effectively since the protected object is destroyed and the carriers returned home.

    So, the main enemy for Tel Aviv today is not Syria, but Iran.

    Tel Aviv's main enemy is Ramat Gan, the CEP.

    This is precisely what explains the strikes on humanitarian and military columns moving towards Tehran.

    No weapons are transported by humanitarian convoys. This time.
    Convoys go FROM Tehran. These are two.

    And if earlier, before the appearance of Russian air defense systems in Syria, Israeli planes fired at Syrian targets with impunity from the territory, more precisely, from the sky of Lebanon, now any such flight is under the control of the Syrians. The aircraft comes under the control of the S-300 practically from the moment of takeoff.

    ... and therefore the Israelis continue to bomb wherever and whenever they want. Including the Syrian-Iraqi border.

    So the Israeli concern is understandable. The advantages over the enemy are fading. And I don't want to give up the Golan. Moreover, the Israeli government considers them already their territories and is actively developing them today. This issue urgently needs to be resolved diplomatically. Otherwise, war.

    Well, what kind of war, author? Syria almost 50 breathed exactly when it and weapons of mass destruction were heaps of conventional weapons. In the coming decades, Syria is in ruins. They only lacked a war with a militarily, politically and economically strong Israel for complete happiness.

    The unresolved Palestinian issue continues to strain both Arabs and Israelis.

    What nonsense? We have elections in March and no party prioritizes the solution of the "Palestinian question". even the most left. This is not the 1990s, Alexander.
    Even the Arabs don't give a damn about this "question". Recently we have normalized relations with Morocco, the UAE and Bahrain. Over the year, the number of our diplomatic missions in the Arab countries has grown from 2 to 6. 3 times.

    PS
    Do not write about what you have no idea. Friendly advice. hi
    1. domokl
      22 February 2021 08: 35
      -1
      And why all your searches for inconsistencies? Russian, belonging to the Russian Aerospace Forces, air defense have not yet worked on the Israelis. Never. But they warned that the zones controlled by us for the Israelis are closed. They will shoot down. So do not fly there anymore.
      About straining. If it weren't for you, then there would be no shelling of a sovereign state on your part .. Leave the tales about the fight against terrorism for your fellow citizens. how many decades have you been fighting him? And the result?
      In general, I don't want to argue with you. As you have tried, you are trying to be smarter than everyone else. Count and count. We don't want to start a war between you at all. Just because half of Israelis are like you. Our former ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 22 February 2021 09: 46
        +8
        Quote: domokl
        And why all your searches for inconsistencies?

        Are these "inconsistencies"? You have a blooper on a blooper. It is necessary to prepare the material more carefully.

        Quote: domokl
        Russian, belonging to the Russian Aerospace Forces, air defense have not yet worked on the Israelis. Never. But they warned that the zones controlled by us for the Israelis are closed. They will shoot down. So do not fly there anymore.

        Duc and the Israeli Air Force have never worked on Russian air defense. Never. But they warned that in the event of an attack on Israeli aircraft, all air defense would be destroyed. So they don't shoot at us, no matter where we fly. By the way, it would be nice to attach a map of Israeli bombing to the article, otherwise everyone thinks that they are bombing only from Lebanon.

        Quote: domokl
        About straining. If it weren't for you, then there would be no shelling of a sovereign state on your part .. Leave the tales about the fight against terrorism for your fellow citizens. how many decades have you been fighting him? And the result?

        Again you are not in the subject. Well, what does the "Fylystyn question" that supposedly strains us and the bombing of Syria? We see successes in the fight against terrorism every day !!! When was the last time a suicide bomber blew himself up on our bus? In the cafe? In the mall? And in the 1990s, this happened once a week.

        Quote: domokl
        In general, I don't want to argue with you. As you have tried, you are trying to be smarter than everyone else. Count and count. We don't want to start a war between you at all. Just because half of Israelis are like you. Our former ...

        And rightly so. You are not in a position to argue about a topic in which you are not a toe. What are the "strikes on humanitarian and military columns advancing to the side Tehran "? laughing
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 23 February 2021 03: 18
          0
          Quote: Professor
          When was the last time a suicide bomber blew himself up on our bus? In the cafe? In the mall?

          Wait, the viral restrictions will be canceled, people will start crowding into buses, cafes, and shopping centers to celebrate. It was then that these warriors of Allah, tired of manual self-service, will arrange a full jihad in pursuit of virgins.
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 February 2021 08: 14
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: Professor
            When was the last time a suicide bomber blew himself up on our bus? In the cafe? In the mall?

            Wait, the viral restrictions will be canceled, people will start crowding into buses, cafes, and shopping centers to celebrate. It was then that these warriors of Allah, tired of manual self-service, will arrange a full jihad in pursuit of virgins.

            Viral restrictions have been in effect for only a year, and the kamikaze faded away many years ago, and not at all because virgins ended in paradise, but because our special services are working.
            https://www.newsru.co.il/israel/22feb2021/zahal_503.html
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 22 February 2021 11: 51
        -7

        domokl (Alexander)
        Today, 08: 35
        NEW And what's all your quest for inconsistencies? Russian, belonging to the Russian Aerospace Forces, air defense have not yet worked on the Israelis. Never. But they warned that the zones controlled by us for the Israelis are closed. They will shoot down. So do not fly there anymore.
        About straining. If it weren't for you, then there would be no shelling of a sovereign state on your part .. Leave the tales about the fight against terrorism for your fellow citizens. how many decades have you been fighting him? And the result?
        In general, I don't want to argue with you. As you have tried, you are trying to be smarter than everyone else. Count and count. We don't want to start a war between you at all. Just because half of Israelis are like you. Our former ...
        This scribbler from Israel ANY article "not about that", "not that", "not docking", etc. I think it should be easier with him - to send this former forest, let the debriefing lead him there.
        1. shahor
          shahor 22 February 2021 12: 20
          +9
          Quote: aszzz888
          To this scribbler from Israel ANY article "not about that", "not that", "not docking"

          The point is that the author, judging by the article, is an amateur who does not understand the full complexity of the situation in the Middle East. So, it flutters on top and leaks unverified or fake information. You can not do it this way. The material must be prepared more carefully. The author fails.
          1. ironic
            ironic 22 February 2021 16: 59
            0
            It is too late to explain something to this terry anti-Semite, there will not be enough time on the way to the pit.
        2. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 16: 57
          0
          Why should he go to you then? You yourself appear as a dignity from a height. And you don't need flights, you directly teleport to the topic, so that you don't miss anyone on the way to your place.
      3. ironic
        ironic 22 February 2021 18: 06
        0
        Oops, it turns out that we are fighting the fabulous terrorism. This is the storyteller who launched the Molotov cocktail in Nablus in a moy jeep?
      4. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 23 February 2021 22: 40
        -1
        Quote: domokl
        But they warned that the zones controlled by us for the Israelis are closed. They will shoot down. So do not fly there anymore.

        Dear analyst, you have enough pointed out your lack of knowledge of what is happening in Syria. AND YOUR pseudo patriotism cannot change the situation that has developed in Syria and it is not up to you to decide who, where to fly.
        AND FOR ADDING YOUR KNOWLEDGE ONLY ONE EXAMPLE.
        I hope you've heard about the Syrian military base T-4. An airfield located in a strategically important area between Homs and Palmyra.
        Also guarded by Russian air defense.
        In the 1970s-1980s, Soviet aircraft were periodically based at this airfield.
        Currently, the T-4 was used as a jump airfield, that is, a base for short-term parking, replenishment of the combat kit, refueling, maintenance and repair of the Aerospace Forces. In the hope that this base will be covered by the Russian air defense, the Al-Quds special forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC, elite units of the Iranian Armed Forces) were deployed at the T-4 base. With their help, weapons were supplied through the T-4 to the Syrian government, the Lebanese Shiite movement Hezbollah and various Shiite gangs in the region.
        Since 2018, the airfield has been repeatedly bombed by the Liechtenstein Air Force. (no proof that this is the Israeli Air Force)
        Were destroyed
        The IRGC's control center for unmanned aerial vehicles, the Syrian air defense that covered this base, destroyed the much-advertised Iranian complex Bavar-373, which did not have time to work, warehouses with missiles for Hezbollah.
        All this happened in "zones controlled by us"(this is what you wrote). In contrast to your thinking, the Russian leadership made the right decision.
        The Russian military in Syria leave the T4 base. The Russian unit removes weapons, equipment and ammunition from the base, and does not open fire, realizing that this will lead to unnecessary losses. Previously, the new location of the army is an airfield on the outskirts of the city of Kamyshly.
        AND IN CONCLUSION.
        I am not an analyst, but I suppose that the Russian Federation will not risk shooting at Israel's planes and putting itself on the brink of war with it. The risk is unreasonably high. Israel and Russia, two nuclear states with strong armies, are well aware of how reckless behavior can end.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 22 February 2021 08: 56
      +4
      Professor (Oleg! hi ) Exactly, do not write what you yourself do not know! Even during the first arrival of your primier to Putin, a gentlemen's agreement was concluded, which is strictly observed by our military! Its essence is simple - no matter what happens in Syria, the Israelis do not attack, or do not even imitate the appearance of an attack on those places where there is at least one Russian military, instead our air defense systems NEVER attack Israeli aircraft! The Syrians are working on your planes with their old technology, because the country, torn apart by the civil war, has no money to buy the latest weapons! We help them only in repelling attacks from the air - that is, we shoot down missiles - sometimes! So, learn the rules of behavior in someone else's airspace, and wake up flying safe and sound. ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 22 February 2021 09: 53
        +1
        Quote: Thrifty
        Professor (Oleg!) Precisely, do not write what you yourself do not know! Even during the first arrival of your primier to Putin, a gentlemen's agreement was concluded, which is strictly observed by our military! Its essence is simple - no matter what happens in Syria, the Israelis do not attack, or do not even imitate the appearance of an attack on those places where there is at least one Russian military, instead our air defense systems NEVER attack Israeli aircraft!

        1. Did you attend the conversation?
        2. According to media reports, the essence of the agreement is that we do not touch each other. By the way, we strictly observe the agreement and have never shot down your aircraft that "accidentally" flew into our territory.
        3. The Liechtenstein Air Force also inflicted strikes on those places where there is not a single Russian military and your air defense systems NEVER attacked Israeli aircraft since you are not our target. And you know that.

        Quote: Thrifty
        The Syrians are working on your planes with their old technology, because the country, torn apart by the civil war, has no money to buy the latest weapons! We only help them in repelling attacks from the air - that is, we shoot down missiles - sometimes! So, learn the rules of behavior in someone else's airspace, and wake up flying safe and sound. ...

        Both Pantsiri and Buki and everything they have worked for us. Well, almost everything. If the Syrian air defenses were "successful", it would cease to exist. This message was conveyed to them verbally and demonstrated when our F-16 was lost over our territory.
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 22 February 2021 11: 05
          +3
          Professor - I am writing only about what I know for sure, although I was not personally present! Regarding the flight of our planes into your airspace, it really is an accident, because your country is small, a little larger than Lebanon, at the speed of the plane can easily inadvertently violate the border! We constantly apologize for such cases! They would violate the border deliberately, there would be no apology! And, the last - when did the Syrian Air Force last bomb your lands? ??
          1. Professor
            Professor 22 February 2021 12: 22
            -3
            Quote: Thrifty
            Professor - I am writing only about what I know for sure, although I was not personally present!

            Not exactly". Do not exaggerate.

            Quote: Thrifty
            Regarding the flight of our planes into your airspace, it really is an accident, because your country is small, a little larger than Lebanon, at the speed of the plane can easily inadvertently violate the border!

            So we usually shoot down those who "by mistake" flies in. The Turks also shot you down during the flight. Nevertheless, we do not bring you down, as there is an agreement.

            Quote: Thrifty
            We constantly apologize for such cases!

            RF apologizes? Do not make me laugh.

            Quote: Thrifty
            They would violate the border deliberately, there would be no apology! And, the last - when did the Syrian Air Force last bomb your lands? ??

            There is no apology anyway, but they would have been moderately violated, they would have been brought down.
            The Syrians bombed us on the evening of June 1, 2019.
          2. ironic
            ironic 22 February 2021 18: 04
            -4
            The violation of the territorial waters of Israel by the Varshavyanka Black Sea Fleet was simply quietly silenced by the RF Ministry of Defense, but at least they removed it and thanks.
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 09: 32
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      While the terrorists trample the land of the SAR there will be more strikes.

      And who are the terrorists? The Syrian military, and the Iranian military who are there with the knowledge and consent? fool Yes, then Iran is right, Israel is the main terrorist in the Middle East.
      1. ironic
        ironic 22 February 2021 17: 02
        0
        Paramilitaries of the IRGC and their mercenaries. If you beat their terrorism, then this is some kind of very fair terrorism. stop Stealing from a thief is not stealing. Banging a bandit is not banditry. Being the top terrorist of terrorists is a blessing.
        1. Military77
          Military77 23 February 2021 22: 18
          0
          But nevertheless remain a terrorist and a racist. Israel is trying to make a mono-national state on its territory, oppressing and destroying people of other nationalities and faiths.
          1. ironic
            ironic 24 February 2021 14: 37
            -1
            Neither one nor the other, if we follow informal logic. Israel has already legislatively declared the basic law (the basic law is equated in Israel with the constitutional one) that it is a national Jewish ruler with a titular nation and a guarantee of the rights of national minorities. In particular, in Israel, freedom of religion is also guaranteed by law and you can earn very real terms for violating it. Just try to break glass in a Mosque or Christian Temple. You ogreb in full. Domestic racism at a marginal level exists in most developed countries and more than in Israel. And who is actually oppressed and killed? Papuans of New Guinea? Because they are not in Israel?
            1. Military77
              Military77 25 February 2021 22: 39
              +1
              I tell you about state policy, and you tell me about hooligans and domestic racism.
              The policy of the State of Israel is to impose on all persons on the territory of the State of Israel, their customs and their faith, including tourists. For example, hotels located in the resort tourist zones of the Red Sea operate only on kosher meals and observe Shabbat. Although in hotels of Muslim countries, even in Ramadan, tourists are offered alcohol and pork.
              The policy of the State of Israel is to disregard civil rights in relation to citizens who are not the titular nation. For example, in the IDF, Arabs and Bedouins are not recruited upon conscription, but only volunteers.
              The policy of the State of Israel is to kill unarmed protesters with impunity, which is recognized at the UN level: https://news.un.org/ru/story/2018/04/1327372
              1. ironic
                ironic 28 February 2021 14: 07
                0
                Your post is naturally libel. Moreover, it is extremely disgusting. You have already agreed that the planting of religion is kosher food and a state-defined day of rest. Yes, Jews who eat kosher will not be able to visit the ladies of their own country if the kitchen and dishes are kosher. This is our Tula and our samovar and this should not interfere with guests, there are enough unmown restaurants and markets in Israel to please anyone, but the main rhythm of the country is set by our national tradition. This is a Jewish city, including according to its basic law. A Muslim can visit a g-zu where alcohol is sold in a bar for tourists, but not drink it himself, and a kosher Jew cannot if the hotel kitchen is rasskashiruyutsya.
                Quite right, they are taken by volunteers, because this is the policy of the IDF, not the country. Even a Jew who is legally obliged to serve, if found to be inappropriate to the army's requirements (not for health or family circumstances, this is a separate article), will be withdrawn from the army and thus withdrawn from the army up to 25% of each annual conscription. At the same time, each according to his religion chooses the holidays in which he is released on leave, if there is no high alert position in the unit.
                I’ll tell you more, I seriously studied the Jewish Tradition at one time, but made the decision not to become religious and remained a secular person, I don’t wear a kippah and go on Shabbat by car and a really rare guest in the Synagogue and my wife doesn’t eat kosher food, but not at home! And at home I demand kosher in the refrigerator, despite the completely secular lifestyle and my already adult children (they were small if what I gave) eat dairy with meat, they are old enough for their choice, but I require them to boil the dishes, which they used. And I forbid my family to protest on this topic and I forbid to challenge the justice of this law of mine within my home. At home, what I call justice is fair, because this is my home. So Israel is much more liberal than me in this regard.
                What other murders of protesters? I myself have been a reservist for 11 years, 3 weeks a year, and I often chased these protesters. It is forbidden for the combatant army to attach even cartridges to the cordon. What other murders are there. Killing them schaz. They come running in a crowd together with our anarchists and let's throw themselves at the poor combat soldiers, who are even forbidden to use a rifle butt. I myself generally threw a rifle into the armored jeep, locked it. You can't ask a lot from a reservist, especially from the drivers who served in the SA. And most of the armored jeep drivers were just like that. They turned out pieces of the picket fence and quickly put things in order, and in the area where the jeeps are parked. An honorable death has yet to be earned. And oppressed Protestants living in two-story pitchforks with geldings in parking lots are considered prisoners of conscience in other countries.
    4. Flooding
      Flooding 22 February 2021 09: 37
      -3
      Quote: Professor
      While the terrorists trample the land of the SAR there will be more strikes.

      remember how wounded terrorists trampled the land of Israel and the floors of its own hospitals.
      Does this mean, in your opinion, what should have been hit?
      1. Professor
        Professor 22 February 2021 10: 55
        0
        Quote: Flood
        Quote: Professor
        While the terrorists trample the land of the SAR there will be more strikes.

        remember how wounded terrorists trampled the land of Israel and the floors of its own hospitals.
        Does this mean, in your opinion, what should have been hit?

        I try to remember and fail. Could you recall when wounded terrorists trampled Israel down? If you are talking about the wounded citizens of Syria, including the women and children of whom the UN officers brought to us, then we have no right to refuse medical assistance to anyone. Moreover, we do not finish off even wounded terrorists, but we treat them. Otherwise it is a war crime. Is it different for you?
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 22 February 2021 11: 03
          -1
          In this case, I have more confidence in the Russian media than in your words.
          I remember that information came up a couple of years ago. Need to search.
          If I don’t find it, I’ll come back and admit I’m wrong.
          1. Professor
            Professor 22 February 2021 11: 33
            +2
            Quote: Flood
            In this case, I have more confidence in the Russian media than in your words.
            I remember that information came up a couple of years ago. Need to search.
            If I don’t find it, I’ll come back and admit I’m wrong.

            Good luck to you. Don't forget to find the full name of the "terrorists".
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 22 February 2021 11: 36
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Good luck to you. Don't forget to find the full name of the "terrorists".

              I do not have access to information of this level.
              I find it difficult to establish even your name and address.
            2. Flooding
              Flooding 22 February 2021 14: 48
              +1
              To be honest, sparse.
              https://m.gazeta.ru/politics/2014/12/07_a_6332201.shtml
              Expected more.
              Apparently, to find in the internet after years, you need to have skills.
              1. Professor
                Professor 22 February 2021 16: 38
                +3
                Quote: Flood
                To be honest, sparse.
                https://m.gazeta.ru/politics/2014/12/07_a_6332201.shtml
                Expected more.
                Apparently, to find in the internet after years, you need to have skills.

                Yes, really not a lot. "opponents of Assad", "may be associated with terrorists" b "Haaretz newspaper". In fact, we treated EVERYONE whom the UN officers brought to us, since it is they who divide us and the Syrians. And then, according to the norms of international law, we treated the wounded and sent them back to Syria. Nobody was interested in their political views.
                It's hard to find something that isn't there.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 22 February 2021 16: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  Nobody was interested in their political views.

                  Quote: Professor
                  It's hard to find something that isn't there.

                  There are no contradictions between these two quotes))
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 22 February 2021 17: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: Flood
                    Quote: Professor
                    Nobody was interested in their political views.

                    Quote: Professor
                    It's hard to find something that isn't there.

                    There are no contradictions between these two quotes))

                    All citizens are innocent until proven otherwise. Where is the evidence that they are terrorists?
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 22 February 2021 17: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      All citizens are innocent until proven otherwise. Where is the evidence that they are terrorists?

                      There is no such evidence.
                      As well as evidence to the contrary.
                      Nobody canceled the presumption of innocence.
                      But your words
                      Quote: Professor
                      It's hard to find something that isn't there.

                      acquire about the same meaning as, for example, my statement that all non-convicted citizens are honest people.
                      Everyone understands that this is not the case.
                      As well as common sense dictates that you are wrong.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 22 February 2021 21: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: Flood
                        There is no such evidence.
                        As well as evidence to the contrary.
                        Nobody canceled the presumption of innocence.

                        The opposite needs no proof. This is precisely where the presumption of innocence lies.

                        Quote: Flood
                        acquire about the same meaning as, for example, my statement that all non-convicted citizens are honest people.
                        Everyone understands that this is not the case.
                        As well as common sense dictates that you are wrong.

                        All people are honest until proven otherwise.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 February 2021 15: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        All people are honest until proven otherwise.

                        Of course it is.
                        But not for Israel.
                        You feed fairy tales about the presumption to naive listeners, and you yourself strike at the territory of a neighboring state without trial or investigation.
                        If this is not cynicism or hypocrisy, then what?
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 24 February 2021 17: 11
                        -2
                        Quote: Flood
                        Of course it is.
                        But not for Israel.

                        It is for Israel. Not we, but Iran assert that the state should be erased from the world map. We have no problem with the Persians, but only with the Ayatollahs threatening to destroy us.

                        Quote: Flood
                        You feed fairy tales about the presumption to naive listeners, and you yourself strike at the territory of a neighboring state without trial or investigation.
                        If this is not cynicism or hypocrisy, then what?

                        "It's a state of war, baby." ©
                        We bomb only those states that attacked us first and are at war with us.
                      4. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 February 2021 17: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        It's a state of war, baby.

                        can not be
                        only recently you argued that this condition is called the presumption of innocence
                        I understand. don't bother.
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 24 February 2021 17: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Flood
                        Quote: Professor
                        It's a state of war, baby.

                        can not be
                        only recently you argued that this condition is called the presumption of innocence
                        I understand. don't bother.

                        Yah? And where did I say that the "state of war" is so called?
                      6. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 February 2021 17: 33
                        -2
                        Quote: Professor
                        Yah? And where did I say that the "state of war" is so called?

                        you don't seem to understand the meaning of what is written
                        yes, it happens. meaning is sometimes more important than literal understanding.
                        and I definitely made it clear to you: don't be hypocritical.
                        if you believe that you have the right to strike at the sovereign territory of another state on the grounds that you consider it possible or probable (but not proven) to be in that place and at that time of terrorists or weapons for them
                        then it is quite fair to believe that the other side of the conflict has the same right. that is, the assumptions, suspicions, information (not proven) about the presence of enemies of their state on the territory of Israel should be quite enough for them.
                        in war as in war, since you understand it this way.
                        only those who advocate double standards can think otherwise.
                        good luck. I say goodbye, as I am not interested in answering future evasions and verbal balancing act.
                      7. Professor
                        Professor 24 February 2021 18: 05
                        +1
                        We have every right to strike even at the sovereign territory of any state with which we are at war.

                        We don't need to prove anything. "It's a state of war, baby." ©
                      8. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 February 2021 18: 29
                        -1
                        Quote: Professor
                        It's a state of war baby

                        you repeat yourself.
                        and, therefore, you are trying to hook me with this childish trick.
                        but nevertheless, you only confirm the correctness of my words
                        Quote: Flood
                        wounded terrorists trampled the land of Israel and the floors of its own hospitals.
                        Does this mean, in your opinion, what should have been hit?
                      9. Professor
                        Professor 24 February 2021 21: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: Flood

                        you repeat yourself.
                        and, therefore, you are trying to hook me with this childish trick.
                        but nevertheless, you only confirm the correctness of my words

                        I repeat myself as I am trying to convey to you. In vain.

                        Quote: Flood
                        wounded terrorists trampled the land of Israel and the floors of its own hospitals.
                        Does this mean, in your opinion, what should have been hit?

                        Name of terrorists in the studio. At least one.
                      10. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 February 2021 22: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Name of terrorists in the studio. At least one.

                        completely redundant request
                        "It's a state of war, baby." ©
                      11. Professor
                        Professor 25 February 2021 08: 43
                        -1
                        Quote: Flood
                        Quote: Professor
                        Name of terrorists in the studio. At least one.

                        completely redundant request
                        "It's a state of war, baby." ©

                        You are lying. wounded terrorists trampled the land of Israel and the floors of its own hospitals. Name of terrorists in the studio.
                      12. Flooding
                        Flooding 25 February 2021 08: 50
                        +1
                        you are lying by claiming that Israel is targeting terrorists on Syrian soil.
                        Ask for their full name and provide us.
                        Why should one side make excuses and the other not?
                        This is disingenuous.
                      13. Professor
                        Professor 25 February 2021 09: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: Flood
                        you are lying by claiming that Israel is targeting terrorists on Syrian soil.
                        Ask for their full name and provide us.
                        Why should one side make excuses and the other not?
                        This is disingenuous.

                        Do you want your full name? I have them. I will give it immediately after you provide the name of at least one of the "wounded terrorists trampled the land of Israel and the floors of its hospitals." Until then, we will consider you a liar.
                      14. Flooding
                        Flooding 25 February 2021 09: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Until then, we will consider you a liar.

                        first you asked me for a link to media publications. I have shared.
                        now surnames. will manage.
                        Why should he fulfill the demands of a person who justifies his country's constant attacks on its neighbors without proof?
                        you have no moral right to make any demands on me
                        I consider you a two-faced hypocrite until you prove the legitimacy of Israel's actions
                      15. Professor
                        Professor 25 February 2021 09: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Flood
                        Quote: Professor
                        Until then, we will consider you a liar.

                        first you asked me for a link to media publications. I have shared.
                        now surnames. will manage.
                        Why should he fulfill the demands of a person who justifies his country's constant attacks on its neighbors without proof?
                        you have no moral right to make any demands on me
                        I consider you a two-faced hypocrite until you prove the legitimacy of Israel's actions

                        We have already found out who you are. This is where we will end. hi
                      16. Flooding
                        Flooding 25 February 2021 09: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        We have already found out who you are. On this we will finish

                        again hypocrisy and duplicity.
                        again, someone else has to prove, but not you.
                        start with yourself before looking for a speck in someone else's eye.
  10. Military77
    Military77 25 February 2021 22: 48
    +2
    Can Russia on yapam wholeheartedly zafigachit? There is no peace treaty. It means a state of war. Megatons for 1500, especially since there are claims to our territories. No Japs - no complaints. So according to your logic?
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 February 2021 14: 01
    +3
    Quote: Flood
    In this case, I have more confidence in the Russian media than in your words.
    I remember that information came up a couple of years ago. Need to search.
    If I don’t find it, I’ll come back and admit I’m wrong.

    https://www.1tv.ru/news/2015-11-18/7150-izrailskie_vrachi_besplatno_lechat_ranenyh_siriytsev

    Report of the 1st Russian TV Channel about Syrians in Israeli hospitals
  • ironic
    ironic 22 February 2021 17: 06
    +1
    And I generally have no confidence in such information. My friends have a son who serves and took part in providing this assistance. I trust him more than any media on earth.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 February 2021 13: 55
    +7
    Quote: Flood
    Quote: Professor
    While the terrorists trample the land of the SAR there will be more strikes.

    remember how wounded terrorists trampled the land of Israel and the floors of its own hospitals.
    Does this mean, in your opinion, what should have been hit?

    Assad's wounded soldiers also trampled on the land of Israel and its hospitals - the Syrian healthcare system was destroyed by the Civil War, the Jews accept any wounded. This is 80% peaceful.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 February 2021 12: 02
    -6
    Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
    Today, 08: 17
    .. The Russian air defense systems supplied to Syria do not work effectively as the guarded object was destroyed and the carriers returned home.
    Tell me about your ... iron cumpol !!! laughing wassat tongue fool fool fool
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 February 2021 17: 59
      +1
      Well, you are not able to tell about anything, just troll fat. negative
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 22 February 2021 15: 28
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    Russian air defense systems supplied to Syria do not work effectively as the guarded object was destroyed and the carriers returned home.

    So the Russian air defense systems wanted the carriers to return home. And I think you know why.
    1. Professor
      Professor 22 February 2021 16: 39
      -2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Professor
      Russian air defense systems supplied to Syria do not work effectively as the guarded object was destroyed and the carriers returned home.

      So the Russian air defense systems wanted the carriers to return home. And I think you know why.

      ... and the Armenians wanted Azerbaijani speakers to return home. These are the air defense systems they are. wassat
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 February 2021 17: 07
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        ... and the Armenians wanted Azerbaijani speakers to return home. These are the air defense systems they are.

        They have their own zuhenweis there, but the Russian air defense did not want to.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 22 February 2021 08: 39
    +13
    I repeat, for what I love the "Opinions" section. In it, the Author is not responsible for anything. Like, I have such an opinion and that's it. Do you have something else? Well, sit with him, keep silent to yourself in a rag (today it is very important). lol

    Analytics is a completely different calico! Here, the Author collected something, somehow processed it - analyzed, that is to say, disassembled it to pieces and gave us a kind of quintessence, information for reflection, etc. True, the Author here, too, does not bear any responsibility for his opuses, but "Analyst "- sounds proudly.

    So, half of the text is a cool, but completely swallowed batch. We have read this on VO 100 500 times. The rest is artistic whistle on the well-known chewed-chewed theme. Regularly, once every two weeks, after Israel shelled the warehouses of Iranian proxies, bedlam at VO begins from the beginning and with renewed vigor. Curses towards Israel and shaking with virtual fists with the promise of an immediate "response" from the nearest sofa have become habitual and sore mouth.

    I have spoken here more than once, but I will repeat it again.
    It would be a mistake to say that "Iran is opposed to Israel." For what reason? Israel has no territorial, material or economic claims against Iran. (in fact, like Iran to Israel.)

    Yes, Israel has publicly declared that the main and completely uncontrollable geopolitical competitor of Russia in the Middle East and North Caucasus, an economic competitor of Russia on a global scale, hiding behind tales of the "peaceful atom", enriches and accumulates uranium for the creation of nuclear weapons. (The IAEA confirms that Tehran secretly continued to work on nuclear weapons, hiding data from the world community, it somehow "unexpectedly" turned out to be enriched uranium many times more than the agreed amount. Its reserves by May 20 last year amounted to 1571,6 kg. By November 12 there were already more than 2400 kg. The allowed limit for Iran is 202,8 kg. About the naive and frivolous perception of the Russians of these events, I have spoken more than once in the comments, but not to feed the horse, alas.). At the same time, Iran is very seriously increasing its capabilities in relation to conventional weapons. Many countries have to think about this, and a number of them have already thought very well.

    Russians still naively believe that Iran is sharpening its nuclear knife at Israel. lol

    Imagine that Iran has created nuclear weapons. Who will he use it against? Against Israel?
    Ayatols drown very loudly for the "Palestinian brothers". Where will they hit with nuclear weapons? Jerusalem, where nearly 250 Arabs live? In Tel Aviv with another 000? Through the reactor in Dimona, 150 Bedouins, along with their camels, sheep and goats, will instantly go to the booths of heaven. In Israel, almost 000/100 of cities with a mixed population! And the area of ​​Israel is less than half of the Moscow region.

    The nuclear excess will surely affect Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt, turn a real piece of the Mediterranean into a radioactive swamp, so much so that Cyprus will get it and will fly to Turkey.
    For what?
    Well, Israel bombed several objects of pro-Iranian militias in Siri. Well, half a dozen more sheds where they say that precision weapons were kept for Hezbollah. To start a nuclear war for this?
    Iran is by no means an Israeli problem. hi

    I am too lazy to sort out peas with lentils, choosing from the mishmash in the article stretching and twitching, I will say only a few words:
    This is precisely what explains the strikes on humanitarian and military columns moving towards Tehran. The fact is that the supply of goods through Syria is very stressful for the Israelis precisely because it is here that there is a possibility of delivering some components to Iran for the production of nuclear weapons.

    What are the columns "towards Tehran" there? There is still Iraq between these countries! Yes, and there is nothing to bring from Syria to Iran, especially "some components for the production of nuclear weapons." not to mention humanitarian aid.

    After the sale of modern air defense systems to Iran and Turkey, free access to nuclear weapons for Russia's main geopolitical rivals - the reckless ayatollahs and the sultan rushing to create a new empire - became a much greater headache for her than for Israel, alas ...

    A little more. About "spies for exchange". For this foolish traveler, the Syrians demanded to release someone from Israel. But in fact, Israel has no Syrians to exchange. There was one Arab, a local spill, whom a daddy-drug dealer who fled for 15 years to Syria, dragged him into an adventure: he offered his son to commit a terrorist attack on the territory of Israel. And even, somehow, he smuggled an explosive device into Israel, which should have been planted somewhere in a public place so that more Israelis would die. However, my son forgot the place where he hid the bomb. They stumbled upon her, and the unlucky saboteur was arrested. However, he refused the exchange deal and does not want to leave for Syria. What should he do there?
    The woman who was given 3 years for incitement had a couple of months left before parole. She is also a local Arab and refused to go to Syria.

    That is why not all of the articles in the "Analytics" section are equally useful for the curious reader. hi
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 22 February 2021 10: 19
      -4
      For the foolish traveler, Israel paid $ 1,2 million to Russia and the Sputnik V vaccine was supplied to Syria for this amount.
      In Israel, Jews are inoculated with Pfizer, and Palestinians with Sputnik. It seems like all citizens of one country.
      “Regularly, once every two weeks, after Israel fired on Iranian proxy warehouses, bedlam in VO begins from the beginning and with renewed vigor. Curses towards Israel and shaking with virtual fists with the promise of an immediate response from the nearest sofa have become commonplace and set the teeth on edge. "(A. Privalov)
      You yourself answered the question about "shaking with virtual fists", first of all, it is a double standard of the West.
      Why is it possible for some and this is called the protection of democracy, while for others it is aggression and terrorism.
      For "reckless ayatollahs", nuclear weapons are primarily a deterrent, or do you have evidence of other plans to use them.
      Example North Korea.
      Yes, everyone, incl. and Russia does not want another nuclear power to emerge close by. But on the part of Israel, first of all, the initiative of a good-neighborly policy should be shown. And the most important thing is the solution of the Palestinian question.
      Now we are back to the nuclear deal that Trump had torn apart. Let's see what happens.
      I hope you know that at the beginning of February, Putin refused to meet with the speaker of the Iranian parliament, Mohammad Baghera Ghalibaf, which turned into a PR disaster and a shame for the Iranian regime.
      There are some processes going on about which we can only guess.
      1. Professor
        Professor 22 February 2021 10: 59
        +7
        Quote: ee2100
        In Israel, Jews are inoculated with Pfizer, and Palestinians with Sputnik. It seems like all citizens of one country.

        The Fylysty people have never been citizens of Israel. Israeli Arabs are vaccinated and all Israeli citizens by Faizer. Soon everyone will be moving to Modena.

        Quote: ee2100
        Yes, everyone, incl. and Russia does not want another nuclear power to emerge close by. But on the part of Israel, first of all, the initiative of a good-neighborly policy should be shown. And the most important thing is the solution of the Palestinian question.

        Israel always extends the hand of friendship. For example, peace with Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, Bahrain, Sudan, UAE. Saudia is on its way.
        There is no "Palestinian question".
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 22 February 2021 15: 35
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          Israel always extends the hand of friendship.

          I won't say about the hand of friendship, but that they don't want to fight you, that's for sure.
      2. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 22 February 2021 11: 16
        +8
        Quote: ee2100
        For the foolish traveler, Israel paid $ 1,2 million to Russia and the Sputnik V vaccine was supplied to Syria for this amount.

        Israel, for the sake of its citizens, did not do that. On October 18, 2011, after five years and four months of imprisonment, Gilad Shalit was released and handed over to his compatriots as part of a deal in exchange for 1027 Palestinian prisoners, more than 400 of whom were convicted by an Israeli court on charges of terrorism and the murder of about 600 Israelis.
        Quote: ee2100
        It seems like all citizens of one country.

        Who are the Palestinians, citizens of Israel? Are you completely out of topic?

        Everything else, including "double standards" and "good neighborly policy initiative" and "solution of the Palestinian question" are common cliches. hi
      3. avib
        avib 22 February 2021 12: 38
        +6
        In Israel, Jews are inoculated with Pfizer, and Palestinians with Sputnik.

        Are you claiming that Faizer is better than Satellite Vee?
        You are never a patriot !!!!

        By the way, all 400 Palestinians working in Israel and in the Israeli settlements on the West Bank of the Jordan will be vaccinated by Faizer or Modern at the expense of Israel.

        In Israel, of all citizens over 16 years old, 1 were not vaccinated yesterday. These are various chronic patients / allergy sufferers who cannot be vaccinated and principled ideological opponents of vaccination. Since the country is now opening up for the vaccinated and ill, and only night markets and pharmaceutical stores will be open to the ideological, the ideological ones will also be grafted into - otherwise neither in the cinema, nor in the gym, nor in the hotel ...

        Israel paid for like 2 million companion vaccinations for the Syrians for this crazy traveler. I wonder how many have already been vaccinated in Russia proper?
        After all, you can send millions of vaccinations anywhere when all is well at home.
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 22 February 2021 12: 54
          0
          The article is not about vaccinations and patriotism.
          1. avib
            avib 22 February 2021 13: 31
            +9
            Quote: ee2100
            The article is not about vaccinations and patriotism.

            That's right, but you started first. About vaccinations.
            And the article is nothing - the author is not in the subject and there is nothing to discuss - just a set of well-known judgments and guesses of the author, passed off as real facts.
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 22 February 2021 13: 47
              0
              Ok, let me be the first!
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 22 February 2021 15: 38
          +3
          Quote: avib
          Are you claiming that Faizer is better than Satellite Vee?
          You are never a patriot !!!!

          Faizer, Sputnik, or something else, if only there was something to vaccinate, and so that vaccines would work. There is nothing to share when this infection has spread to the whole world.
      4. ironic
        ironic 22 February 2021 17: 10
        +1
        How can Jews be vaccinated with Pfizer, and Palestinians with Sputnik, if the only kind of Palestinians are Jews and all the rest are Syrian and Arabian settlers to Palestine?

        PS Arabs citizens of Israel receive the same vaccinations as all other Israeli citizens. To which I am a personal witness already twice.
    2. icant007
      icant007 22 February 2021 10: 58
      -4
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Russians still naively believe that Iran is sharpening its nuclear knife at Israel.


      And who is Israel sharpening its nuclear knife on?

      Is Iran's creation of nuclear weapons a symmetrical measure against Israel, or a guarantee of its sovereignty?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 22 February 2021 11: 19
        +4
        Quote: icant007
        And who is Israel sharpening its nuclear knife on?

        Do not be lazy and re-read my text again. Sapienti sat.
        1. icant007
          icant007 22 February 2021 11: 28
          -1
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Do not be lazy and re-read my text again. Sapienti sat.


          This is not an answer. You have a lot of words about Iran, and still very little about Israel.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 22 February 2021 11: 35
            +3
            Quote: icant007
            Quote: A. Privalov
            Do not be lazy and re-read my text again. Sapienti sat.


            This is not an answer. You have a lot of words about Iran, and still very little about Israel.

            So, they were too lazy ...
            Israel is small. That's not enough words.
            1. icant007
              icant007 22 February 2021 11: 54
              -4
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Israel is small. That's not enough words.


              It's funny. But arrogance in politics does not lead to peace.
              1. ironic
                ironic 22 February 2021 17: 54
                -2
                And gopnichnost leads?
                1. icant007
                  icant007 23 February 2021 11: 14
                  -1
                  Quote: ironic
                  And gopnichnost leads?


                  Neither one nor the other are normal policy instruments.
                  But here's this saying:
                  “Peace in the Middle East will come when Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews.” (Golda Meir)
                  a clear indication that Israel considers the Arabs to be to blame for the tensions in the Middle East. A very convenient formula - Israel is not to blame for anything.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 23 February 2021 13: 20
                    +1
                    Undoubtedly considers it right. Israel in general does not feel any sense of guilt and should not, moreover, from my point of view, it is pursuing a too liberal policy in terms of exposing all those responsible for the damage caused to Israel during its existence. Including those who spread blood libel, causing both moral damage and indirectly contributing to the infliction of material.
      2. ironic
        ironic 22 February 2021 17: 14
        -1
        Doesn't sharpen. Israel possesses the technological capabilities for the production of nuclear weapons only as a last resort of a defensive type. No Israelite wants to destroy a single Arab state. And Iran as well.
        1. icant007
          icant007 23 February 2021 11: 29
          +1
          Quote: ironic
          Doesn't sharpen. Israel possesses the technological capabilities for the production of nuclear weapons only as a last resort of a defensive type. No Israelite wants to destroy a single Arab state. And Iran as well.


          Iran is not an Arab state, strictly speaking, but oh well.

          For example, one can accept this false formulation "owns the technological capabilities for the production of nuclear weapons."
          Why then did Israel not join the nuclear nonproliferation treaty? Why does he not allow the IAEA to enter its nuclear facilities?
          Why is Israel bombing targets in Syria, Iran, Iraq?
          Why is Israel secreting oil import data?
          Is it because he buys oil from the territories controlled by ISIS (banned in Russia), being the same two-faced sponsor of international terrorism, like the United States?

          And after all this Israel is not the same generator of tension in the Middle East, like the Arab terrorist organizations?
          1. ironic
            ironic 23 February 2021 13: 14
            -1
            That is why I mentioned Izran separately. Do you think I don’t know that Persians are not Arabs?

            Suppose it is impossible to accept the falsity of this formulation, because the statement about its falsity is a lie.

            It does not join due to the extreme threat to its existence throughout 73 years. Prevents the transmission of critical defense information through international organizations to its enemies, which has already happened in the past.

            Bombing objects that are an immediate threat to the lives of Israeli citizens, and not just a threat, but an immediate threat.

            This is some kind of speculation about secrets. Nothing more than necessary for trade secrets and deal success. Oil is supplied from many countries, in particular Russia, Azerbaijan and is expected from the UAE. Deliveries through Turkey are declining.

            Another blood libel, because they no longer know what to invent. Oil supplies via Turkey from Iraqi Kurdistan certainly cannot be related to ISIS. In addition, their volume is less than the same Russian and Azerbaijani oil. And it's not hard to read about it.

            Israel is not stressful at all, Israel is stressful, and you will have visions with a pogrom smell.
            1. icant007
              icant007 23 February 2021 17: 53
              0
              Quote: ironic
              Israel is not stressful at all, Israel is stressful, and you will have visions with a pogrom smell.


              I knew that I would be branded an anti-Semite. It's funny.
              Thank you for at least screwing this in with the last argument, although I thought that you would not hide in the house.
              In general, I caught the general message.
              1. ironic
                ironic 23 February 2021 18: 04
                -1
                And this means so called? This is not the first time I have met people who are so accustomed to such everyday life in spoken language that they do not feel a sweetheart in it. A very unfortunate trend. It becomes habitual how to breathe. /// being the same two-faced sponsor of international terrorism /// - who is there and where is hiding this question, but you cannot hide the smell from this.
                1. icant007
                  icant007 24 February 2021 07: 04
                  +1
                  Such a daily routine - To condemn and criticize Israel's policies is anti-Semitism for you.
                  I understood your Israeli logic)))
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 24 February 2021 14: 12
                    0
                    Criticism is welcome. Condemnation must be based on moral grounds. Everything else is hatred on the national basis, this is just such a strictly formal logic.
                    There is only formal and informal logic and no other. This is what the scientific approach says. And the presence of "Israeli" logic in the arguments already smells. Moreover, this is also strictly formally logical. wink
                    1. icant007
                      icant007 24 February 2021 17: 22
                      -1
                      Quote: ironic
                      Moreover, this is also strictly formally logical.


                      But your logic says that Israel is right and the Arabs are wrong, or Iran is wrong, or everyone else is wrong.

                      Where is the logic here? And this is where Israeli logic follows, only there is no hatred here. Because there is also American logic, European logic.
                      And all this is only profitable logic for them.
                      This is the logic that operates in the spaces of their values, principles and guidelines.
                      But international relations should be based on compromises.
                      1. ironic
                        ironic 24 February 2021 21: 22
                        -1
                        My logic cannot be by definition and you don't know anything about everyone. All 8billion

                        Logic is only formal and informal. Science has unequivocally proved that a person cannot have any other logic. All other insinuations about ties with nationalities are a kind of racism.

                        In the spaces of values ​​of different people, all the same types of logic that are considered scientific work, everything else is demagoguery.

                        International relations are based on compromises, but for some reason, your lack of logic implies a continuous compromise of Israel and the uncompromising demands on it.
                      2. icant007
                        icant007 25 February 2021 07: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: ironic
                        In the spaces of values ​​of different people, all the same types of logic that are considered scientific work, everything else is demagoguery.


                        But you've already made a logical mistake. applying ad hominem to me, making it clear that my statements are a product of my anti-Semitism.
                        Here you are the first and resorted to demagoguery.

                        Quote: ironic
                        but why then your lack of logic implies a complete compromise of Israel and


                        And again ad hominem)))

                        You yourself are confused in two pines of formal and non-informal logic)))
                      3. ironic
                        ironic 25 February 2021 13: 48
                        0
                        If something quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then with a high probability it follows that it is a duck. It is quite consistent with the formal logic. If the standard deviation is very small, then it can be neglected, and in the phenomena of anti-Semitism it tends to zero, they are painfully typical and monotonous. Yes, yes, you just resorted to demagoguery. Do you position yourself as a gray stamp of impersonality? Does Uncle Petya write posts for you or AI? Here you are not confused, you simply do not work in them. You don't need to. You know in advance that you will broadcast from an armored car. negative
                      4. icant007
                        icant007 25 February 2021 20: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: ironic
                        Yes, yes, you just resorted to demagoguery.


                        Ad hominem tu quoque - you are predictable))) you cannot reason outside the framework of anti-Semitism. You feed on them. It's sad.
                        And I just always try to look at phenomena wider and deeper.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 23 February 2021 20: 31
          0
          Quote: icant007
          In general, I caught the general message.

          He has not yet mentioned that he was robbed by the Soviet regime when he left for Israel, he still cannot forgive the insult. Apparently he hopes that the citizens of Russia will compensate him for this loss and his moral suffering, which he experienced as a former citizen of Ukraine.
          1. ironic
            ironic 24 February 2021 14: 19
            0
            I was a citizen of the USSR. Ukraine, as an independent country, did not exist. Nobody asked me if I wanted to keep my citizenship, but forcibly demanded to pay for his refusal the 4th salary of the leading engineer. Not only me, but about a quarter of a million of those leaving the Soviet power robbed to the skin. I personally do not demand anything to compensate me financially, but to recognize the damage would be moral for the country declaring succession after the collapse of the USSR. Payment of pensions of the Russian Federation is by the way a moral act from the same opera. It would be moral in the same way to at least recognize the immorality of the actions of the Soviet authorities in relation to those leaving.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 24 February 2021 19: 33
              -2
              Quote: ironic
              Nobody asked me if I wanted to keep my citizenship, but forcibly demanded to pay the 4th salary of the leading engineer for his refusal.

              Was this really contrary to the legislation of the USSR?
              Quote: ironic
              Not only me, but about a quarter of a million of those leaving the Soviet power robbed to the skin.

              Stop lying - you yourself were so eager to go there that you decided to leave everything in the USSR in order to grab more sausage, and nevertheless exported your goods. And if they refused it, they received compensation. And now, when they realized that they were screwed up, they did not come up with anything smarter so that someone else would pay you something. Are you out of your mind?
              Quote: ironic
              I personally do not demand anything to compensate me financially, but to recognize the damage would be moral for the country declaring succession after the collapse of the USSR.

              And we are already paying the Israelis with two passports of pensions in Russia, like those Crimean Jews who had Ukrainian and Israeli passports before 2014. They quickly arrived in Crimea, exchanged Ukrainian passports with a preserved residence permit for a Russian one, and they recalculated their pensions at the most favorable rate. You simply did not think about all this, unlike those who were not so eager for sausage in Soviet times, but bided their time and now receives two pensions.
              Quote: ironic
              Payment of pensions of the Russian Federation is by the way a moral act from the same opera.

              When you become a citizen of Russia, then we'll talk about morality, but while you have a Ukrainian passport, let the Ukrainians give you a moral debt - they are waiting for you with your claims ...
              1. ironic
                ironic 24 February 2021 21: 14
                +1
                This contradicted elementary human moral principles.

                Brosta lie twice, lie about what you know for others and lie that I'm lying. For sending belongings worthless by international standards, people gave everything that they had earned in their entire lives. And compensation to those who could not take out anything, except for a suitcase of clothes, did not pay for almost anything. But if we talk about the majority of these people, then even taking into account the size of how much they were fucked up, this undoubtedly justified itself both in the material and in the life perspective sense. Sing and sing to a drunken radio. To hell with it with the cost of losses. All those who left in 89-91 made up for these losses a hundredfold or more. Even my mother, who was 49 at the time of departure and who managed to work in Israel as a designer for only 10 years, believes that everything lost is not worth the gain. But there are still villains like you who believe that in relation to these people one should not at least admit the injustice of how they were treated.

                I am making excellent money for myself with the Israel Pension Fund and moreover, even it will not be my main source of income in old age. But my mother, who has worked for the all-Union design organization for 33 years, deserves a pension regardless of anything, as all developed countries in this world do. And to do cunning feints with our ears in order to get what people in developed countries in this world justly receive, in my family they have always considered below our dignity. Fortunately for my mother, her son earned for 30 years even to buy her a separate apartment for his old age.

                I won't become a citizen of Russia, I don't need it. Neither me nor my mother have ever had any passports except the Soviet and then the Israeli one. People talk about morality, it is a human quality, talk about morality, and whoever says that morality depends on a passport does not apply to people. I am completely uninterested in who are Russians and who are Ukrainians. The USSR took the passport from my mother, and my mother worked for 33 years in the all-Union design organization. And according to the idea of ​​a pension, citizens of the USSR should be paid by its legal successor, regardless of citizenship, as all developed countries do.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 25 February 2021 12: 28
                  0
                  Quote: ironic
                  People talk about morality, it is a human quality, talk about morality, and whoever says that morality depends on a passport does not apply to people.

                  What kind of morality can a person speak to me who abandoned his homeland for the sake of sausage and went to a foreign state? You are pitiful and ridiculous with your claims, especially since Jews in the USSR were not persecuted either, and after its collapse, the attitude towards them did not change.
                  You can reasonably explain, since you are a citizen of Israel, why are you so eager to visit the Russian-language forums of a foreign country for you? It would be funny if those who write on this forum from Russian authors suddenly began to write on the Russian-language forums of Israel - I can't even imagine that.
                  Quote: ironic
                  The USSR took the passport from my mother, and my mother worked for 33 years in the all-Union design organization.

                  There was no need to go for sausage, and no one would take anything from you. But you yourself decided that the sausage end justifies any means, so why should I now listen to your whining that you are suffering morally because of this, especially since you are so "successful". True, your whining somehow does not fit with this, and I find it difficult to believe that Gusinsky also suffers in Israel like you, but as you can see, he is in no hurry to vent his grievances on the Russian-speaking forum.
                2. 3danimal
                  3danimal 25 February 2021 13: 06
                  0
                  especially since Jews in the USSR were not persecuted either ...
                  after its collapse, the attitude towards them did not change

                  Everyday anti-Semitism was quite developed, I can tell this from a couple of my relatives. I remember, they told me from 10 years old that there are ... "wrong" people who should be feared (with a description of how to identify them by their appearance) and, in general, "sorry Stalin did not have time to figure them out."
                  Wildness, but everything was in all seriousness.
                3. ccsr
                  ccsr 25 February 2021 13: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: 3danimal
                  Everyday anti-Semitism was quite developed for myself, I can tell this from a couple of my relatives.

                  Yes, stop bending - it was much less than in the same England. Here's an example of what "anti-Semitism" was and how the Jews themselves suffered from their relatives:

                  The name of this chief designer is Israel Wolfovich Koifman (perhaps the exact title of the position sounded different, but this does not change the essence) and his age was between 50 and 60 years at that time, but I do not remember the exact age. I think that even now there will be people among Voronezh residents who knew him (and maybe they still do) or will confirm that he was a rather respected person in certain circles, enjoying a well-deserved authority in the development of promising communication systems. For ease of memorization, our team called him simply - "Izya", or "Voronezh Izya".

                  https://zapravdu.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3093&start=390

                  Read, you can understand what happened in real life.
                4. 3danimal
                  3danimal 25 February 2021 15: 10
                  +1
                  enjoying a well-deserved authority in the development of advanced communication systems.

                  I was lucky to get into the direction of "special" developments.
                  And one example does not reflect the whole picture.
                  My two relatives were by no means members of a secret society of dislike for Jews.
                5. ccsr
                  ccsr 25 February 2021 15: 21
                  0
                  Quote: 3danimal
                  And one example does not reflect the whole picture.

                  You just do not know how things were in the ministerial structures of the USSR, especially not defense ones, so this example is not the only one. I have visited many places in my time, and have seen people of different nationalities in leadership positions, and I do not remember that the Jews were deprived of this.
            2. andrew42
              andrew42 25 February 2021 18: 43
              +1
              Amused by your "wrong people". Don't talk about everyday life, sufferers. "Wrong people" are the goyim and Akum, about whom even in Soviet times in Jewish families children were given a clear concept. I personally do not suffer from "anti-Semitism" (well done, they invented a bogeyman) - I grew up in the Jewish quarter, for 10 years I studied in a class where 2/3 of the children are Jewish. Any everyday xenophobia - it is not from a distant mind, this time. Mutual is usually two. And the arrogant contempt on the part of the Jewish side in relation to the valenki valenki was always much greater and more sophisticated. These are three. But at the same time "wrong" all the others who do not like, you know. So “everyday anti-Semitism” in the Soviet Union was much less developed than the negative response in everyday life. We generally professed "internationalism" en masse, and lop-eared Russians believed in it more than anyone :)
            3. 3danimal
              3danimal 25 February 2021 21: 05
              0
              My grandfather used to say, "all the problems are from the Jews."
              What is this, internationalism?
              lop-eared Russians believed in him more than anyone

              Because there was no influence of the community and family (in the meaning of the clan).
              And what about “nothing Stalin figured out”?
              contempt from the Jewish side in relation to Vanka-felt boots

              Did they laugh at the dim-witted students?
              Children generally suffer from a lack of tact and tolerance.
        3. ironic
          ironic 25 February 2021 13: 18
          0
          How could I betray my Motherland if, in order to move to it, my family abandoned everything they had earned in their entire life? My homeland is Israel, and the USSR is my birthplace. As you can see, all your life you have grabbed sausages yourself if your sausage reflection is projected onto everyone who seems to have enough of it. Jews in the USSR were undoubtedly subjected to oppression, simply because of the size of the country, in different parts of it these oppressions for local reasons were of a greater or lesser nature, and all the achievements of Jews in the USSR were not because, but in spite of what. And all the Jews in the USSR knew that if they were not ready to fight their way in spite of everything, they would sit in the ass, at best. Do you know why you are trying to make my words pitiful and funny? Because you yourself are an anti-Semite and, judging by your other posts, you are a great-power chauvinist, reactionary and just a villain with a complete lack of moral values ​​usually inherent in the human personality.

          The Forum is presented as an open international Russian-language platform for the exchange of views. There is no need to rush to it, everyone who wants to and who observes the rules of communication on it comes to it. This is not a completely foreign country. I have brothers-in-law in Smolensk and second cousins ​​in the Moscow region. There is a huge number of users from the Russian Internet on the Russian-language forums of Israel. You are also illiterate about what you are trying to rub in. In general, you are not able to imagine much, due to your extremely limited and fanaticism.

          There is no need to tell here how much morality costs in terms of your sausage reflection. You do not have it (morality). You are immoral to the depths where the soul is supposed to be. A person who has worked for 33 years in a country relies on certain preferences from this country, even if he considers another country as his homeland and left for it. In any developed country today this is the case. And you call it whining because, again, you are an immoral villain. And all that can be cooked in your head is your envy of Gusinsky, who is not even in Israel, by the way, he is the same citizen of Russia as you are, and he is also a citizen of Spain, unlike me and my mother. But do not be afraid, I do not apply for your penny pension fund, and although I do not have Gusinsky's money, for you personally, my income level is unattainable even in the next reincarnation. And Gusinsky is written in Russian, just on "forums" of a somewhat higher level of opportunities for participants of the type. You can rest assured that the type of readers of such "forums" includes the GDP.
        4. ccsr
          ccsr 25 February 2021 13: 45
          0
          Quote: ironic
          My Motherland is Israel, and the USSR is my birthplace.

          Not all Jews reached Israel - many settled in Europe and the United States, apparently for you the choice of a homeland is an abstract concept.
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          As you can see, all your life you have picked up sausages yourself if your sausage reflection is projected on everyone,

          There is a term to describe people like you - they were called "sausage emigrants", so I use Soviet terminology, it has nothing to do with me personally.
          Quote: ironic
          The Forum is presented as an open international Russian-language platform for the exchange of views.

          Does the Israeli site exist? Why did you decide that the opinion of former citizens of the USSR interests the inhabitants of modern Russia? This is your typical delusion that you are something of yourself for our country, but this is not at all true.
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          A person who has worked for 33 years in a country relies on certain preferences from this country

          I knew that again asking for compensation would go - you were already tired of this, and as comrade Bender said, you can get ears from a dead donkey with this approach. Take an example from Gusin - this person, on the contrary, is very grateful to the USSR.
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          You can rest assured that the type of readers of such "forums" includes the GDP.

          Your boastfulness does not correspond to your understanding of life in Russia - you have wild ideas about who Putin is and who the "shot down pilot" Gusinsky is, about whom only older people who survived the nineties know about. It may be that you know him in Israel, but here he is a complete zero, judging by the fact that no one remembers him.
        5. 3danimal
          3danimal 25 February 2021 15: 15
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          Remind me what you did in 1991-1992 to preserve the USSR?
          I suppose, like most, they were interested in survival and improving the standard of living (sausage, jeans, suddenly available foreign car)
          And without a murmur they accepted the decision that was "let down" to you from above. Here, of course, the influence of Soviet education (obedience to the authorities). request
          Why did you decide that the opinion of former citizens of the USSR interests the inhabitants of modern Russia?

          By the way, don't speak for everyone.
        6. ccsr
          ccsr 25 February 2021 15: 35
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          Quote: 3danimal
          Remind me what you did in 1991-1992 to preserve the USSR?

          I served in the army and ensured the security of the country, and I never thought of destroying it.
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          I suppose, like most, they were interested in survival and improving the standard of living (sausage, jeans, suddenly available foreign car)

          You are mistaken - I just did not do this, because I was in the GSVG at that time.
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          And without a murmur they accepted the decision that was "let down" to you from above.

          Do you suppose that we had to move to Moscow in tanks in order to wind our people on tracks? How do you imagine all this, if the country's leadership did not give an order to crush its people with tanks - why should we show such "initiative"?
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          Here, of course, the influence of Soviet education (obedience to the authorities).

          Well, yes, of course - in our country, unlike the Jews, it seems that there should not be a mind by their definition. You do not understand well how our humility differs from sanity in the most difficult moments of the country's history.
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          By the way, don't speak for everyone.

          I understand that you probably hang out on the Russian-language forums of Israel - there you express your opinion. And how are you being listened to as a minority leader?
          By the way, I did not write the word "all", but used the generalization of "residents", not to mention the quantitative assessment of this category - problems with Russian?
        7. 3danimal
          3danimal 25 February 2021 21: 36
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          if the country's leadership did not give an order to crush its people with tanks - why should we show such "initiative"?

          I have not heard anything about thousands of rallies in defense of my native party and the preservation of the USSR during these years.
          It is significant that you don't even consider such a countermeasure, only brute force.
          how our obedience differs from sanity in the most difficult moments of the country's history.

          From the same opera: to go somewhere without an order - no way. Now, if there was a distribution list of party organs or other bosses ..
          (I'll clarify right away: I am ethnic Russian)
          I understand, you probably hang out on the Russian-language forums of Israel

          Well, why am I not surprised: when you hear a different opinion, you immediately try to hang a label smile
        8. ccsr
          ccsr 26 February 2021 10: 50
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          Quote: 3danimal
          I have not heard anything about thousands of rallies in defense of my native party and the preservation of the USSR during these years.

          But now they saw the light, and Stalin became the number one leader in Russia in popularity.
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          only brute force ..

          And the maddened crowd can only be called to order by brute force - this was demonstrated even in the United States in Washington, where thousands of National Guardsmen were brought in. And then what prevented us from doing this in 1991?

          Quote: 3danimal
          (I'll clarify right away: I am ethnic Russian)

          Vlasov was also an ethnic Russian, so this does not mean anything about you.
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          Well, why am I not surprised: when you hear a different opinion, you immediately try to hang a label

          I use the methods of Israeli propaganda, and no more - they have all anti-Semites, who will say something about Jews that they do not like.
        9. 3danimal
          3danimal 26 February 2021 12: 09
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          where thousands of national guardsmen were introduced

          How many would you crush with tanks?
          (Don't talk about 4 dead in the USA)
          And the maddened crowd

          In 1991 there was no “mad” crowd. Already in two comments you can see your attitude to "crush, break, intimidate", BUT only on instructions from above. Independent civic activity (not related to blood) is not even considered?
          Soviet education request
          They will say from above (and will be released from work) - we will go to a rally against the Israeli military (from the episodes of the Yom Kippur War). No.
          But now they saw the light

          This is not an answer. You just confirmed my argument.
          Vlasov was also an ethnic Russian, so this does not mean anything about you

          And also Denikin, Bunin. And Yezhov. Everyone is so different ..
          It's just that a certain category of members of the forum strives to immediately see in the interlocutor the "wrong" (to their liking) nationality.
          I use Israeli propaganda methods

          Minus you - I do not use any "methods". negative
        10. ccsr
          ccsr 26 February 2021 19: 02
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          Quote: 3danimal
          How many would you crush with tanks?

          Not at all - I know very well that it was impossible to do this.
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          In 1991 there was no “mad” crowd.

          Of course, you did not hear anything about the events in Tbilisi, Lithuania, Azerbaijan and the republics of Central Asia, when the troops stood against the maddened people, and the first blood was shed.
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          And also Denikin, Bunin. And Yezhov. Everyone is so different ..

          Those. you know that your nationality does not say anything.
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          Minus you - I do not use any "methods".

          This is how you want to look "objective", although it is clear that there is no objectivity in your texts, because you are expressing your point of view, and it can be erroneous, at least from a lack of life experience.
        11. 3danimal
          3danimal 26 February 2021 23: 08
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          About events in Tbilisi

          This is where people were chopped with sapper shovels, in particular, many women?
          There were no “mad” in Moscow, I first of all talked about it. I saw it on TV in 1991. So is Swan Lake.
          The Baltic republics in 1940 were forcibly pulled in (an ultimatum with an army on the border) and their inhabitants did not forget about their recent independence.
          All who wanted - left, what's wrong? There are a lot of territories left in the Russian Federation, a significant part of which is still poorly developed, by the way.
          About demonstrations:
          Once again - no one came out in defense of the CPSU and the USSR then. Nobody wanted to, I suppose. The real support of the people in this is manifested - who will marry you when you are weak and do not have the resource. She was not there.
        12. ccsr
          ccsr 27 February 2021 09: 53
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          Quote: 3danimal
          Once again - no one came out in defense of the CPSU and the USSR then.

          So now they are whining more than anyone else that the exploiters don’t give them to live, they took away from them the poor everything that the Soviet government gave them free of charge. I have no pity for these people - they have to pay in full for their betrayal of the CPSU, this is historical retribution.
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          Nobody wanted to, I suppose.

          Maybe someone wanted to, but the hooting crowd did not allow them to openly express their opinion.
          Quote: 3danimal
          There were no “mad” in Moscow, I first of all talked about it

          I noticed that you have a selective approach, especially when you are pointed out to your misconceptions in the assessment of that period.
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          The Baltic republics in 1940 were forcibly pulled

          You don't even really know history, because these republics voluntarily became part of the USSR - study the materials of the meetings of their governments in 1940.
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          All who wanted - left, what's wrong?

          It is bad that some of them still blame the USSR for their failure as a state, and have slipped from the rich Soviet republics to European rogue. And for some reason, Russia is to blame for the fact that it refused to feed Russophobic freeloaders, such as Ukraine and the Baltic countries.
        13. 3danimal
          3danimal 27 February 2021 12: 11
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          You don't even really know history, because these republics voluntarily became part of the USSR

          You distort the chronology.
          Ultimatum from the USSR (to allow troops into their territory and hold re-elections) - the troops enter the territory of the Baltic countries, re-elections are held under pressure, in which the communists (suddenly) win - the communists unanimously ask to join the USSR.
          Exclusively voluntary smile
          Let me remind you that Kuwait also asked to join Iraq in 1991. After it was occupied and a new government of collaborators was put in charge.
          Maybe someone wanted to, but the hooting crowd did not allow them to openly express their opinion.

          Most people find it difficult to get off the couch. smile
          I have no pity for these people - they must pay in full for their betrayal of the CPSU.

          But you are one of those people: you lived at the same time, were at an active age and did nothing. (I'm not talking about the shooting of demonstrators)
          So now they are whining more than anyone else that the exploiters don’t give them to live, they took away from them the poor everything that the Soviet government gave them for free.

          Power never produces anything, only distributes.
          Apartments? Many stood in line for 10 or more years, after which they had a limited choice and did not receive ownership of it. With the sale, I had to come up with all sorts of "feints with the ears" with fictitious marriages, etc.
          Private business (coffee shop, hairdresser, car service) - go under a criminal offense up to 7 years.
          The ideology got everyone, it was originally designed for poorly educated people, IMHO.
          Trade? I remember how in the morning we went to the queue for milk, kefir.
          Parents stood all day to buy two vacuum cleaners (suddenly it breaks, but buy a problem).
          Wonderful organization in the stores themselves. You stand in line at the counter, take a receipt, stand in line at the checkout (I used to stand), punch a check, make your way through the disgruntled "stailers" with a check and finally take the goods.
          While the same Finns have had modern "supermarkets" for a long time.
          And people knew very well that they could live differently.
        14. ccsr
          ccsr 27 February 2021 14: 16
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          Quote: 3danimal
          Ultimatum from the USSR (to allow troops into their territory and hold re-elections) - the troops enter the territory of the Baltic countries, re-elections are held under pressure, in which the communists (suddenly) win - the communists unanimously ask to join the USSR.

          This is a cynical lie of Israeli propaganda, because it was quite the opposite:
          Almost simultaneously with the signing of the pacts of mutual assistance, the Soviet Union renewed trade agreements with the Baltic countries. Soviet supplies brought them indisputable economic benefits. Moscow's policy of non-interference in the internal affairs of the Baltic states at that time was very clearly traced. Molotov, for example, demanded to stop there "any flirtation and communication with the left circles." In one of the documents, addressed to the employees of the Soviet embassy and the military attaché in Lithuania, he strictly pointed out: “I categorically prohibit interfering in inter-party affairs in Lithuania, supporting any opposition trends, etc. The slightest attempt by any of you to interfere in internal affairs of Lithuania will entail the strictest punishment for the guilty ... Should be discarded as provocative and harmful chatter about the Sovietization of Lithuania "... In the order of the People's Commissar of Defense of October 25, 1939, issued in connection with the entry of the Red Army into the Baltic states, the personnel were required to "in no case interfere in the internal affairs" of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, and any talk among the military about the "Sovietization" of these countries had to be suppressed "in the most merciless manner." Moscow was forced to adhere to such a line by the fact that the Baltic countries had friendly relations with Britain and France. More active actions of the USSR in this region could be regarded in London and Paris as hostile and directed against the great European powers. The uncertainty of the situation in the course of the war in Europe forced Stalin's diplomacy not to force events until a certain point. The situation changed dramatically by the summer of 1940. Germany's quick victory in the spring 1940 campaign on the "Western Front meant that Hitler was given freedom of action against the USSR. There was a real threat of the implementation of the Fuhrer's thesis:" If I achieve my goals in the West - I will abruptly change my course and attack Russia. No one can stop me from doing this. ”Under the circumstances, the USSR had to think about strengthening its western defensive lines.
          (Information source - Istoriya.RF portal, https://histrf.ru/lenta-vremeni/event/view/vkhozhdieniie-pribaltiiskikh-ghosudarstv-v-sssr)

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          But you are one of those people: you lived at the same time, were at an active age and did nothing.

          How could I do something while serving abroad? But I do not absolve myself of my guilt, although I don’t whine that the oligarchs are not letting me live now.
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          The ideology got everyone, it was originally designed for poorly educated people, IMHO.

          It's bullshit - it didn't hurt most people. In the same United States, the propaganda of its exclusiveness was an order of magnitude greater than all Soviet propaganda.
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          You stand in line at the counter, take a receipt

          I did not see this in stores, except for those cases when the product required an initial fitting, and only after that they wrote out a check for payment - this was due to the fact that there was no return of the goods and money to the buyer.
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          While the same Finns have had modern "supermarkets" for a long time.

          And what of this, if we take into account the size of the population of Finland and the USSR and their trade relations with us?
        15. 3danimal
          3danimal 27 February 2021 15: 01
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          And what of this, if we take into account the size of the population of Finland and the USSR and their trade relations with us?

          Ok, is there enough size for you in the US?
          In France, Britain, Germany?
          Everything is simpler: private retail chains interested in profit sought to optimize themselves by themselves, without waiting for some kind of decree from the Council of Ministers on the implementation of innovations ...
          Bullshit - it didn't hurt most people

          The majority did not believe in her, pretended to be, if required, and that was all.
          In the same United States, the propaganda of its exclusiveness was an order of magnitude greater than all Soviet propaganda.

          Could you give examples?
          And who did it, the Ministry of Culture ??
          Source of information - portal History.RF

          Completely objective and impartial source smile
          Seeing a similar style of presenting information, I immediately scroll through.
          This is the cynical lie of Israeli propaganda

          Why Israeli and not Anglo-Saxon or anti-Soviet ?? request
        16. ccsr
          ccsr 27 February 2021 18: 37
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          Quote: 3danimal
          Ok, is there enough size for you in the US?

          And nothing that the United States then had 24-25% of world GDP, and we 20-21%, i.e. were they practically not inferior to them, including in advanced technologies? Or would you tell us about the Finnish cosmonauts who circled the globe 16 years after the war?

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          The majority did not believe in her, pretended to be, if required, and that was all.

          Well, what's the trouble, if some kept a dummy in their pockets, and then left for Israel - why did we live worse from this?
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          Could you give examples?

          Did you even hold "America" ​​magazine at that time in your hands?
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          Why Israeli and not Anglo-Saxon or anti-Soviet ??

          It's up to you, because this is one garbage dump from different sides, judging by the way they lowered Trump recently.
        17. 3danimal
          3danimal 27 February 2021 19: 14
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          And nothing that the United States then had 24-25% of world GDP, and we 20-21%

          By the amount of cast iron smelted, etc.
          Everything related to serving the needs of the population was poorly organized, "according to the state." I explained why.
          We have capable people, but the Bolsheviks who seized power and settled in it did not allow us to engage in this direction.
          Can you imagine that we could have everything that was "in the West"? Good cars, household appliances, clothes (manufacturers would compete, improving quality and reducing prices by optimizing production and constant modernization "from below"). Normal trading networks, without storages of rotting cabbage and corral for sorting students and soldiers.
          So what a big deal if some kept a dummy in their pockets

          The majority of those who “hold the gut” were not going to leave for any Israel (does this state haunt you?).
          Already many people who are able to think critically and have an education understood the value of all slogans.
          how they dropped Trump recently

          Just one of the presidents. Before that Nixon, so what?
        18. ccsr
          ccsr 28 February 2021 10: 41
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          Quote: 3danimal
          Everything related to serving the needs of the population was poorly organized, "according to the state." I explained why.

          Yes nifiga you cannot explain, because you did not live in cities where after the war on some streets half of the houses destroyed were still in the sixties.
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          Can you imagine

          I lived then and knew what difficulties our people were experiencing, and therefore I measured my wishlist with reality. And therefore I am not surprised why then we could not reach the Western level in household provision.
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          Normal trading networks, without storages of rotting cabbage and corral for sorting students and soldiers.

          Are you still suffering from this? I believe it was a necessity at the time.
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          Most of the "holding the grip" were not going to leave for any Israel

          How did they end up there?
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          Already many people who are able to think critically and have an education understood the value of all slogans.

          And what, it did not give you self-realization? I have achieved everything I wanted, so I do not understand your sobbing over the slogans.
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          Just one of the presidents. Before that Nixon, so what?

          And the fact that they skillfully brainwash the western man in the street is worse than our party propaganda during the Brezhnev era. But you do not reproach them with this, i.e. your duplicity is evident.
        19. 3danimal
          3danimal 28 February 2021 11: 07
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          because they did not live in cities where after the war on some streets half of the houses

          West Germany is not an example ??
          By the 80s, everyone who wanted and did not interfere with people had achieved a lot.
          why then we could not reach the western level in household provision.

          A ban and a criminal article for private economic activity?
          Do you even understand that this was done ONLY because of ideological dogmas ??
          and therefore I measured my wishlist with reality

          Conformism is called. Enough to eat and okay.
          I believe it was a necessity at the time.

          But here I would like more details smile
          How did they end up there?

          This majority remained to live in Russia. Why would ethnic Russians or Tatars move to Israel ??
          And what, it did not give you self-realization?

          I still didn't have time, I was at the age of 7 in 1991.
          But to the parents - yes.
          Immediately after the ban was lifted, my father left the metallurgical plant and went into commerce. Greatly helped us out in the early 90s.
          I do not understand your sobbing about the slogans

          You all understand. I suppose they themselves did not believe in any slogans (except that at first - in the Union with the Primer they began to "process" future citizens).
          blame the USSR for their failure as a state, and slipped from the wealthy Soviet republics to the European rogue.

          Blamed for annexation.
          I gave an example with Kuwait. You know, I often heard answers like: "Well, everyone did that." That does not prevent the victims of such operations (for some reason) from being dissatisfied.
          About rogues.
        20. ccsr
          ccsr 28 February 2021 13: 35
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          Quote: 3danimal
          West Germany is not an example ??

          You do not even know that West Germany suffered less than East Germany - what then to talk to you about. It cannot be an example - no one gave us loans after the war.
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          Do you even understand that this was done ONLY because of ideological dogmas ??

          This was not due to ideology, but to a different economic system. Have you heard anything about Marx, but not in conjunction with Spencer, but with the name Karl?
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          Conformism is called. Enough to eat and okay.

          Nonsense - not everyone has such primitive requests as you had at that time. On the contrary, people often thought about spiritual and high matters - you just grew up in the wrong environment.
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          I still didn't have time, I was at the age of 7 in 1991.

          Then you have no right to say anything about life in the Soviet Union at all, because you did not see this very life and because of your childhood you could not correctly assess it.
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          I suppose they themselves did not believe in any slogans (except that at first - in the Union they began to “process” future citizens from the Primer).

          Your primitivism does not surprise me, because my grandmother, born in 1905, was illiterate until the end of her life, and her grandchildren almost all received higher education, and there are even a couple of candidates of science among them, and the works of one granddaughter were published by UNESCO and foreign countries. Your limitations will never allow you to understand how progressive the system that existed in the Soviet Union was, which is why you rush with ideology as if it were a written bag, completely not realizing that it played no role for a person's self-realization. Although, of course, there were cases when a person could commit some moral or criminal mistakes, and then ideology really did not allow him to go unpunished.
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          I gave an example with Kuwait.

          Did you live there? Or do you know the history of the creation of this state? Do not try to judge what your ideas are about at the level of articles from the media.
        21. 3danimal
          3danimal 28 February 2021 14: 05
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          This was due not to ideology, but to a different economic system.

          And the management system "over the knee" was created for the sake of ideology.
          It cannot be an example - no one gave us loans after the war.

          Excuses.
          Show at least one modern successful example of the dominance of the state planning economy? (This is where people usually start to tell me that in the late 80s co-ops allowed smile )
          On the contrary, people often thought about spiritual and lofty matters - you just grew up in the wrong environment.

          And in the direction strictly set by the party.
          And there was nothing else to do.
          Then you don't have the right to say anything about life in the Soviet Union at all, because you have not seen this very life

          Funny, my parents will be older than you (1950 and 1952). And they are a storehouse of information about that life.
          I also communicated / communicate with other people of the older generation. (“The clever learns from the experience of others”).
          By the way, about the ideology:

          my grandmother was born in 1905, was illiterate until the end of her life

          This is her problem, she could go to study at the age of 20-25. Or was she not allowed into the city?
          Let me remind you that Tsiolkovsky, Pavlov, Sikorsky were born and received an excellent education NOT in the USSR.
          Another thing is that the percentage of literate people was not high (against the background of developed countries). It was possible to correct this problem without the Bolsheviks.
          how progressive was the system that existed in the Soviet Union, that's why you are worried about ideology

          The system was directly related to ideology. The entire system of the economy was created for it, in particular. It was impossible to get into many positions without being a member of the Komsomol / party.
          when a person could commit some moral or criminal mistakes

          For this, there is legislation all over the world. I don’t need an ideology.
          Did you live there? Or do you know the history of the creation of this state?

          I visited many times (Lithuania), with people who were born and lived there all their lives. (And the Russians)
          You don't even know that West Germany suffered less than East Germany

          End up with these cheap tricks.
          There was no talk of comparing destruction in Western and Eastern.
          But their degree was very, high, incomparable with Finland.
          Germany - because the former economic system remained there, with private property (including the means of production) as the norm.
        22. ccsr
          ccsr 28 February 2021 14: 28
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          Quote: 3danimal
          And the management system "over the knee" was created for the sake of ideology.

          And you ask the Chinese, who, thanks to the ideas of Marx, overtook the United States and became the first economy in the world.

          Quote: 3danimal
          Show at least one modern successful example of the dominance of the state planning economy?

          China, Vietnam, and even South Korea are using state planning for their economy - you are simply out of the picture.
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          Funny, my parents will be older than you (1950 and 1952). And they are a storehouse of information about that life.

          Not much, but I don't think they know that life better than me.
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          This is her problem, she could go to study at the age of 20-25. Or was she not allowed into the city?

          You just have no idea about our history, and you do not know how the village lived, where girls, before the revolution, even could not get into a parish school, because they weren't everywhere. You have no idea what was happening in the country after the revolution and what unemployment was, and how people had to survive.
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          Another thing is that the percentage of literate people was not high (against the background of developed countries). It was possible to correct this problem without the Bolsheviks.

          Well, why didn't they do it before the October Revolution, since we were lagging behind according to your own admission?
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          The system was directly related to ideology.

          What nonsense are you talking about, and it’s immediately obvious that you didn’t study social sciences, because you don’t have a concept of what the basis and superstructure are:
          The basis is the economic system of society at this stage of its development. The superstructure is political, legal, religious, artistic, philosophical views of society.

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          For this, there is legislation all over the world. I don’t need an ideology.

          These views have a marginal basis, and usually come from anarchists who dreamed of living as they please. Any state has an ideology, with the exception of some tribes on the planet living in a primitive system, but they also practice its rudiments, justifying the killing of other tribes for the sake of survival. At the same time, sometimes sacrifices are made, which, from the point of view of legislation, do not fit into one gate at all. You want to live among them - yes, for God's sake, you will definitely not have an ideology there, unlike the United States.
        23. 3danimal
          3danimal 2 March 2021 03: 11
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          And you ask the Chinese, who, thanks to the ideas of Marx, overtook the United States and became the first economy in the world.

          Are Marx's ideas about private ownership of the means of production? Protection of private property and guarantees for foreign investors? China went up exactly after the introduction of NEP-2 Xiaoping, who, by the way, was impressed by the short (unfortunately) experience of introducing the NEP in the Union.
          Not yet overtaken, economy number 2 (which is also very solid). Having a population like in the USA, they would be in the top ten, I think, but not among the first three.
          it is immediately clear that you did not study social sciences

          Are you talking about Marxism-Leninism or scientific communism? I didn't find mossy abstracts at home, sorry. smile
          The basis is the economic structure of society

          I have already said that the economic system was artificially made for ideology. Namely, under the prohibition of private ownership of the means of production: hairdressing salons, sewing shops, bakeries, auto repair shops - everything is only state-owned. (Cooperatives of recent years are already a retreat towards NEP).
          These views have a marginal basis, and usually come from anarchists who dreamed of living as they please

          Complete nonsense. Live by the laws - the views of the anarchists? Sometimes it is helpful to reread what you have written.
          unlike the same USA.

          Specific examples of state ideology in the United States, institutionalized as in the USSR?
        24. ccsr
          ccsr 2 March 2021 12: 10
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          Quote: 3danimal
          Are Marx's ideas about private ownership of the means of production?

          Too primitive idea of ​​this teaching, it is a pity that you did not study it.
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          Not yet overtaken, economy number 2 (which is also very solid).

          You just have no idea what the real sector of the economy is, which is why you cannot correctly arrange the world's economies.
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          I have already said that the economic system was artificially made for ideology.

          That is, you do not recognize the change in socio-economic formations, and we still live in a primitive communal system.
          Quote: 3danimal
          Specific examples of state ideology in the United States,

          "USA are the most innovative, creative and dynamic country on Earth, "Bush said.
          Argue that this is not an ideological setting?
        25. 3danimal
          3danimal 2 March 2021 18: 49
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          what is the real sector of the economy

          Cast iron smelting rules in the 21st century ??
          Somehow this does not fit with the income and capitalization of companies. smile
          Get out of the swamp of installations of the last century already.
          Too primitive idea of ​​this teaching, it is a pity that you did not study it.

          In China, predominantly the fuel and energy sector remained in the hands of the government. And there is NO criminal article for commercial activities. (Thanks to Xiaoping. Without his reforms, China would never have reached today's heights)
          That is, you do not recognize the change in socio-economic formations, and we still live in a primitive communal system.

          Absurd, and intentional. Will not work.
          In the Union, a group of people who seized during the Civil War forcibly took away almost all means of production and banned private economic activity under the threat of reprisals.
          The US is the most innovative, creative and dynamic country on earth, "Bush said.
          Argue that this is not an ideological setting?

          Where did the first serial integrated circuit come from? The first PHAR radar (on ships in the early 60s) / AFAR, the first TV, whose development is the processor in your PC / laptop and smartphone? Whose OS is installed in them?
          Inquire about the capitalization of Silicon Valley companies.
          He had reason to say so.
        26. ccsr
          ccsr 2 March 2021 20: 19
          -1
          Quote: 3danimal
          Cast iron smelting rules in the 21st century ??

          Generally, natural production rules in the event of any disasters - did the Texans really save their bank accounts when they just froze stupidly a few days ago?
          Quote: 3danimal
          Somehow this does not fit with the income and capitalization of companies.

          If your company does not trade stocks on the market, then how can Western exchanges and analysts assess its capitalization?
          Quote: 3danimal
          In the Union, a group of people who seized during the Civil War forcibly took away almost all means of production and banned private economic activity under the threat of reprisals.

          Your denseness is simply amazing - who introduced the NEP? As for the Civil War, it is only a consequence of the February Revolution, in which no one took property away. I understand that you are from the Israeli propagandists, but at least something from our history you would have studied so as not to burn like that. By the way, remember, the Civil War began when there was no Union - prepare carefully for such topics.

          Quote: 3danimal
          Where did the first serial integrated circuit come from? The first PHAR radar (on ships in the early 60s) / AFAR, the first TV, whose development is the processor in your PC / laptop and smartphone? Whose OS is installed in them?

          And what does this prove? We were the first in space, the first to build nuclear power plants, the first to create thermonuclear weapons, and this is after several years after the war. Our weapons are the best in the world, and they are without foreign components. By the way, a lot of what you are listing is manufactured in China and Taiwan - in the USA they cannot even create their own competitive production.
          Quote: 3danimal
          Inquire about the capitalization of Silicon Valley companies.

          By what criterion do you assess capitalization - name it, it is interesting to hear how Musk's company is assessed, for example. Here's how it sometimes ends:
          The Enron case involved manipulating the accounts of Enron Corporation, a US energy company based in Houston, Texas.
        27. 3danimal
          3danimal 2 March 2021 23: 58
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          Generally, natural production rules in the event of any disasters

          What does cataclysms have to do with it? Pulling by the ears. If we had an analogue of Intel, you would have drowned for the "digital". Biased .. Although this is not about you.
          If your company does not trade stocks on the market, then how can Western exchanges and analysts assess its capitalization?

          Our all major trade. And Rosneft is somewhat inferior (at times) to Intel or Huawei.
          NEP who introduced

          Your assessments of me - right away.
          Introduced, because they had the task of feeding people and starting the economy.
          But they very quickly covered everything. Otherwise, it turned out that the newly minted (yesterday's criminals and extremists) rulers are not as badly needed as they would like.
          As for the Civil War, it is only a consequence of the February Revolution

          The civil war was unleashed by the Bolsheviks after their coup in the fall of 1917. Which is not surprising, given their past.
          I understand that you are from the Israeli propagandists

          Will not work:
          I use the methods of Israeli propaganda, and no more

          They have already disavowed themselves.
          Or, perhaps, you just have a problem in perception, and by default anyone who has a different point of view, someone else's agent?
          We were the first in space

          But they could not land a man (and even in the plans of one) on the moon.
          were the first to build nuclear power plants

          And the safest, which is important. Simply with a "safety" shutdown button capable of detonating an unstable reactor. (But no one knew about it, secrecy)
          the first to create thermonuclear weapons and this is after several years after the war

          Almost two decades were much inferior in the number of warheads: 1949 - 200/1, 1962 - 2000/200 (it is good that they extinguished the Cuban missile crisis)
          Our weapons are the best in the world, and they are without foreign components.

          It depends on what and by what parameters. Always the final argument: "and we have cheaper!" smile
          And there are foreign components. Who produces the element base? Brothers (for the time being) are Chinese.
          By the way, a lot of what you list is manufactured in China and Taiwan.

          Don't make yourself look ignorant. It is not a secret for the continent that creating and setting up on the basis of this mass production where it is cheaper are two different things. Following this flawed logic, the Yotaphone is a Chinese phone. This is not the case.
          By what criterion do you assess capitalization - name it, it is interesting to hear how, for example, Musk's company is assessed

          And I'm more about high-tech microelectronics: Intel, AMD, Huawei, Google, Microsoft. You have an Android, I suppose? And on a PC - Windows ...
          What is the criterion for assessing Yandex's capitalization? And she is $ 24 billion. It's just that there are a lot of these companies in California ...
          About the Mask: how many times did they laugh and twist at their temples when they worked out the return stage? And now it is commonplace, as a matter of course.
          The Enron case involved manipulating the accounts of Enron Corporation, a US energy company based in Houston, Texas.

          It happens. It is not the mistake that matters, but the reaction to it.
          By the way, this is a fuel and energy company that has nothing to do with Silicon Valley.
        28. ccsr
          ccsr 3 March 2021 11: 48
          -1
          Quote: 3danimal
          What does cataclysms have to do with it? Pulling by the ears.

          They happen all the time, including economic downturns - you probably have not heard about this.

          Quote: 3danimal
          And Rosneft is somewhat inferior (at times) to Intel or Huawei.

          These are generally different sectors of the economy - how can you compare them only by the quotation on the stock markets?
          Quote: 3danimal
          The civil war was unleashed by the Bolsheviks after their coup in the fall of 1917. Which is not surprising, given their past.

          This is a heinous lie, because the Bolsheviks in Russia generally played little role until October 1917, and their seizure of power occurred due to the fact that those who came to power during the February Revolution completely destroyed the country, including at the fronts. The civil war was not unleashed by the Bolsheviks, but was a consequence of the actions of those who wanted to destroy them. You are not aware that in 1917, the Bolsheviks released almost all of the arrested persons from prisons on the basis that they would not participate in the struggle against the new government, but many did not fulfill this promise.
          Quote: 3danimal
          But they could not land a man (and even in the plans of one) on the moon.

          No evidence that the Americans visited the moon has yet been presented, and this lunar scam has long been ridiculed by experts. After 50 years, NASA cannot even come close to flying to the moon, so they pushed everything onto Musk so that they would not answer later. By the way, now the Americans should have walked on the moon for a long time - they said in 2004 that the landing would be in 2015, but as they say, even then the American president lied as usual.

          Quote: 3danimal
          For almost two decades, they were significantly inferior in the number of warheads:

          So we later entered the race, so we had to catch up. But don't wag, but tell me better who was the first to create a thermonuclear bomb.
          Quote: 3danimal
          It is not a secret for the continent that to create and establish on the basis of this mass production where it is cheaper are two different things.

          It is you who wag, because the issue is in the competitive plane. Why are Americans unable to establish their production at home, but are forced to transfer production to China?
          Quote: 3danimal
          And I'm more about high-tech microelectronics: Intel, AMD, Huawei, Google, Microsoft. You have an Android, I suppose? And on a PC - Windows ...

          In America, not a single TV or monitor of their own has been created or produced, and now what? Is Boeing disgraced at all in the aircraft market, and this is called a breakthrough?
          As for the high-tech, the country's defense is more important for us, but in this plane the Americans with their high-tech can't catch up with us.
          Quote: 3danimal
          About the Mask: how many times did they laugh and twist at their temples when they worked out the return stage? And now it is commonplace, as a matter of course.

          This cynical lie looks ridiculous against the backdrop of two accidents in two winter months - where is Musk's promised flyby of the moon? By the way, about the return of the stairs - we were told the same nonsense with the shuttle, but everything died. I think that Musk will not achieve a significant reduction in repeated launches, but the reliability will be unknown after 5-7 flights.

          Quote: 3danimal
          By the way, this is a fuel and energy company that has nothing to do with Silicon Valley.

          And here it has:
          It was after Snowflake's IPO that the Internet bubble was remembered. “The flurry of IPOs and the frantic buying of shares by investors are classic signs of euphoria and bubble, reminiscent of the previous obsession with Internet companies. We know how it ended then ",

          Now the same is happening with Musk.
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 28 February 2021 11: 21
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    About the Balts:
    You can also compare the average and minimum wages.
    The husband of his wife's aunt (Russian, if you care) received 2012 euros in 1200. Now .. he continues to receive 1200 euros (in the same position). And he became richer relative to the average Russian.
    they skillfully brainwash the Western inhabitant, worse than our party propaganda during the Brezhnev era. But you do not reproach them with this, i.e. your duplicity is evident.

    In order:
    "They" are who? Where is the propaganda center ??
    So did the party propaganda brainwash our citizens? And after all, she specifically had the relevant departments and positions.
    What should I reproach them with? They don't even have a ministry of culture.
    And there is no monopoly of one party.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 28 February 2021 13: 44
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    Quote: 3danimal
    About the Balts:
    You can also compare the average and minimum wages.

    If Russia was subsidized from the EU like the Balts, then our salaries would be even higher.
    Quote: 3danimal
    Now .. he continues to receive 1200 euros (in the same position). And he became richer relative to the average Russian.

    You don't even know their prices, but you have already decided that he overtook the Russians in purchasing power, receiving 1200 euros. Find out better what a communal apartment costs him, medical insurance, pension contributions, and what is left for him after that.
    Quote: 3danimal
    "They" are who? Where is the propaganda center ??

    Here, for example:
    The inauguration ceremony of the NATO Strategic Communications Center took place in Riga today.

    Quote: 3danimal
    They don't even have a ministry of culture.

    They do not have an economy either - they recently sobbed about the Russian transit that went past them, and humiliated themselves, asking to return it back.
    Quote: 3danimal
    And there is no monopoly of one party.

    What is the point that there are two parties in the United States if there was an election fraud, and thanks to fraud, Biden won?
    By the way, there are already four parties in Russia - is that not enough for you?
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 1 March 2021 12: 38
    +1
    You don't even know their prices

    I went there several times and lived for 1-2 months (vacation with my wife). I went to the shops, can you imagine. The prices were the usual Moscow ones.
    The company pays for medical insurance. Communal is inexpensive.
    And my wife's grandfather is being treated in a hospital, the analogues of which I have seen very few in Russia.
    * But I appreciated the well-known technique "yes, everything is 10 times more expensive for them"
    If Russia was subsidized from the EU like the Balts, then our salaries would be even higher.

    Cheap excuse. Let me remind you that there is no oil and gas there. Touchet?
    They do not have an economy either - they recently sobbed about the Russian transit that went past them, and humiliated themselves, asking to return it back.

    Estonia was not particularly upset.
    About Lithuania and Latvia: you can calculate how many percent of budget revenues were transit.
    They were crying about - this is more to Solovyov.
    What is the point that there are two parties in the United States if there was an election fraud, and thanks to fraud, Biden won?

    The courts disagreed with the charges.
    Biden won the same way Trump did in 2016, thanks to electoral votes.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 1 March 2021 13: 02
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    Quote: 3danimal
    I went there several times and lived for 1-2 months (vacation with my wife). I went to the shops, can you imagine. The prices were the usual Moscow ones.

    I also counted - 1200 euros is about 110 thousand rubles - in Moscow they INVITE drivers in the subway for such a job, there are a lot of vacancies. Starting rate from 65 thousand. And what is the difference in salaries?
    Quote: 3danimal
    Communal is inexpensive.

    Lies.
    Total for a family of two living in a one-room apartment in Tallinn for a communal flat, communication and the Internet, you need to lay out about 143 euros per month during the heating season and 113 euros in the summer.
    In rubles, this is about 13 thousand a month, which is not paid for a one-room apartment in Moscow, although the costs are high here.

    Quote: 3danimal
    Cheap excuse. Let me remind you that there is no oil and gas there. Touchet?

    When you go to the sea and have ports? Singapore has risen only due to sea transit, but in Estonia, of course, they do not know about it.
    By the way, why, given such a wonderful life, the indigenous population flees Estonia:
    Population of Estonia:
    1989: 1 people
    2000: 1 people
    2011: 1 people
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 1 March 2021 23: 22
    +1
    Singapore has risen only due to sea transit

    Before him and we are far from the specific GDP per person.
    In rubles, this is about 13 thousand per month

    I was in Lithuania, Klaipeda, and talked about rent for a 3-room apartment in a 5-storey building. It came out about 100 euros in the winter months, in the summer about 70 euros.
    By the way, why, given such a wonderful life, the indigenous population flees Estonia:

    Demagogy.
    1989: 1 people
    2000: 1 people

    During the difficult 90s, not very many people "ran away", although the borders were open,
    2000: 1 people
    2011: 1 people

    70 thousand in 11 years?
    We leave so much in a year.
    Now the population of Estonia is 1329000 people.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 2 March 2021 11: 50
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    Quote: 3danimal
    Now the population of Estonia is 1329000 people.

    Due to the naturalization of emigrants, the number is growing:
    The population of Estonia has been increasing due to migration for the fifth year in a row. In total, 2019 people came to Estonia to live in 12240, and only 7210 people left the country.

    So soon there will be no Estonians in Estonia. And how will they practice choral singing?
    Quote: 3danimal
    I was in Lithuania, Klaipeda, and talked about rent for a 3-room apartment in a 5-storey building.

    Either you talk about Estonia, then download in Lithuania, when you are given figures that are inconvenient for you.
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 2 March 2021 18: 38
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    I spoke about the Baltic countries in general. For the salary of a specific person and the cost of a communal apartment - for Lithuania, Klaipeda. Because these are the figures I know for certain.
    And I found the average salary for Estonia.
    For Lithuania below, about 750 €. (Estonia is quite successful in IT).
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 24 February 2021 21: 50
    +2
    Quote: ironic
    I personally do not demand anything to compensate me financially, but to recognize the damage would be moral for the country declaring succession after the collapse of the USSR.

    And here I am, even grateful to the country that robbed me to sticky, BUT released with $ 100 per family member.
    And I stopped being a lodger, when in the line for socks (according to coupons) the drunk could say (forbidden) muzzle, because of you there is nothing.
    And at work on polit information, I had to see

    AND TODAY I HAVE EVERYTHING a person needs for a normal life.
    Nice apartment, 500 meters from the sea, every 5 years I have the opportunity to change my car, a good pension and not an empty bank account.
    And most importantly, there is a country that is ready to exchange one corporal for 1000 terrorists.
    For a fool who confuses democracy with anarchy, pay $ 2 million for a country that is proud of its help to Syria and has not yet delivered the vaccine, which has been hammered by all the media since August. And Israel since December 24 has vaccinated 70% of the population and 60% of the second
    Our children and grandchildren go to the IDF to defend its country, realizing that the country always protects them.
    Granddaughter and all her girlfriends themselves went to the fighting troops, it's hard, but no one regrets.
    That is why the IDF is one of the best.
    Therefore, I do not need any compensation or an apology.
    AND I AM STILL GRATEFUL!
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 25 February 2021 12: 40
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      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
      But I am even grateful to the country that robbed me to the point of stickiness, BUT released me with $ 100 per family member.

      For the first time I meet a sane Israeli from the USSR in his attitude to the past.
      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
      AND TODAY I HAVE EVERYTHING

      We will only be glad for the people from the former USSR. We are waiting for you to seize power in Israel together with Sharansky, if he has not yet fallen into insanity.
      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
      Our children and grandchildren go to the Israel Defense Forces to defend their country, realizing that the country will always defend them.

      We also hope that you will eliminate all Islamic terrorists in the world.
      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
      That is why the IDF is one of the best.

      There is no steeper tsakhal in the world, who would doubt it. Why don't the orthodox rush there, should they improve your army?
      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
      Therefore, I do not need any compensation or an apology.

      I am even surprised - again, a sane assessment of the situation.
      How many people in Israel think like you, but judging by this forum, you are the only one with such views, of all the Israelis, that they write here.
      1. ironic
        ironic 25 February 2021 13: 37
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        Rather, a person who believes that it is better not to escalate the situation. But I think that you need to say what you think is right. And yes, I am not a politician, I am not looking for compromises, I believe that justice should prevail.

        Shcheransky has long since departed from big politics and power in Israel is not being seized, she is elected and there are already more than enough Russian-speakers in the Knesset. They did not bring much good there.

        You personally hope that we will kill each other. You personally do not mind hypocrisy.

        The IDF is not the coolest army and there are enough sloppiness and shortcomings in it, to our happiness the army of our potential opponents is much worse. By the way, the orthodox yes serve, the orthodox do not serve, mainly opposing the creation of Mr. Israel or accepting it only de facto. You don't understand anything about what you rub.

        I personally also do not need and am able to make my mother not needy, but this has nothing to do with justice.
        This is the real face of an anti-Semite, if a Jew is comfortable, he is sane, and if not, then he is a sausage traitor to his homeland. Villainy and baseness combined with meanness.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 25 February 2021 15: 48
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        Quote: ironic
        You personally hope that we will kill each other. You personally do not mind hypocrisy.

        In fact, I don't care how you live there, and how you get along with the natives of Morocco and Ethiopia - fool them, not me. The main thing is to fight against Islamic extremists - this is your destiny.
        Quote: ironic
        By the way, the Orthodox do serve,

        Until 2014, you did not even have a law on their conscription, so if they do serve, then they just started. Apparently tired of waiting for the arrival of the messiah:
        Despite the fact that Judaism does not deny war and the army as a structure and recognizes the important task of protecting the Land of Israel, the rabbis argue against military service that for a Jew, God, and not the state, should be above all else. A small part of the Orthodox believe that the very existence of Israel is not a godly cause. In their opinion, the Jewish state, destroyed 2 thousand years ago, can be recreated only with the arrival of the mission, the appearance of which is said by the Jewish tradition. There is even a version that this ultra-radical group is collaborating with the enemies of Israel and making efforts to destroy it.


        Source: https://beinisrael.com/social/ourlife/izrailskij-plavilnyj-kotyol/
        © Israel News, Articles & Blogs - Beinisrael.com
        Quote: ironic
        This is the real face of an anti-Semite, if a Jew is comfortable, he is sane, and if not, then he is a sausage traitor to his homeland.

        As always, history repeats itself - if you just tell the truth about the Jews, you immediately become an anti-Semite. It's strange why you are talking to them then, since you have already glued the label.
      3. ironic
        ironic 25 February 2021 21: 12
        -1
        Well that is as I said, to be comfortable, and not comfortable, it is better to die in this wrestle.

        Why wasn’t there? You eat it, yes. And then the consolidated law on the Armed Forces of 1986 turned into 2014.

        Biznesraeil does not even know the provisions of Halakha concerning the restoration of the city, and they undertake to write a gag. Mr. Israel can be restored in two cases, the arrival of the Messiah or collective agreement for the restoration of the peoples of the world. And also the fact that Mr. Gd, according to the Jewish Tradition, are the absolute in all manifestations and, if he wanted, would not allow the creation of Mr. Gd by the peoples of the world, therefore it is impossible for a Jew not to recognize Mr. de facto. As for whether the Jews were de jure straight in the eyes of the G-them, as required by the commandment - if you hear the voice of your Gd your God by ear and you will do the straight in His eyes, I will not bring you Egyptian executions on you. There is controversy over whether Ben-Gurion's actions were direct, as required. But this is a de jure dispute, not a de facto one. It is believed that Israel is going through wars as a punishment for the fact that not everything was done directly, but is not destroyed and will not be destroyed for the fact that the consent of the peoples of the world was nevertheless obtained, according to the requirement of the "de-orayt" (Aramaic) , i.e. according to the will of the Creator stated in the Testament. And the dispute about the degree of conformity de jure is at the level of "de-rabanan", i.e. at the level of the decisions of the sages of the generation, about whom there is a commandment "de-orayta" - do not deviate from their words, neither to the right nor to the left.

        It repeats itself. Anti-Semites try to pass off their insinuations as truth. And the commandment "do not do" says - do not listen to him ... and will not do such evil. The Hebrew verb is in the imperative, i.e. not only do not listen yourself, do your best not to be listened to by others. Here's why.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 25 February 2021 16: 18
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    For the first time I meet a sane Israeli from the USSR in his attitude to the past.

    Thank you!
    Quote: ccsr
    We will only be glad for the people from the former USSR. We are waiting for you to seize power in Israel together with Sharansky, if he has not yet fallen into insanity.

    There are ministers and members of the Knesset and influence the entire society.
    May 9 is an official holiday, Novigod (a new word in Hebrew) thanks to us.
    Quote: ccsr
    We also hope that you will eliminate all Islamic terrorists in the world.

    We try to the best of our ability.
    Quote: ccsr
    I am even surprised - again, a sane assessment of the situation.
    How many people in Israel think like you, but judging by this forum, you are the only one with such views, of all the Israelis, that they write here.

    Look at your palm.
    Do you all have the same fingers?
  • ccsr
    ccsr 25 February 2021 19: 43
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    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    There are ministers and members of the Knesset and influence the entire society.

    To be honest, we trust our people more than the locals. That is why we sincerely wish you to quickly come to power in the form of your party, and teach them how to live in such an environment.
    I think that it would benefit everyone and Israel in the first place.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    May 9 is an official holiday, Novigod (a new word in Hebrew) thanks to us.

    It's time for you to educate them, otherwise confusion and vacillation even about coronavirus vaccinations. I sincerely wish victory to the party of former Soviet citizens. And then some hysterics from the former USSR only know how to splash saliva when the question comes about the past of our country, and this is wrong.
  • ironic
    ironic 25 February 2021 21: 21
    -1
    Yes, yes, you really need to educate yourself to celebrate the holiday on the day of which 13 thousand Jews were drowned in Rome because they refused to celebrate it. An anti-Semite like you, Archbishop Sylvester. So that his name was mentioned in the same way as the name of Hitler with curses. There were already such pratiyas, as many as three, and there was only one left, for which only the dog-pioneers and Druze and more stoned libermanoids vote. Soon a fur-bearing animal will come to her. The clickers here are, for the most part, like you. In Israel, the Russian Federation generally does not want evil, especially among those who do not speak Russian, the anti-Russian marginalized are for the most part Russian-speaking.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 25 February 2021 22: 29
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    To be honest, we trust our natives more than the locals.

    You have a somewhat superficial and distorted view of Israeli society. And therefore, the wrong perception of Israel as a Jewish state. This country consists of Jews who, sooner or later, arrived from different countries, with their own local customs, which were mostly positive and therefore accepted by society.
    Of course, there were others, but as a rule, these are those who believed that everything should be as he wants it, they simply did not fit into this country (an example known to you MAZ) yes, I feel sorry for them, but they must understand, but this is what there is. Therefore, they leave and go to other countries, and many return.
    Well, the fact that the Russians will change the country is just a mistake.
    Our children and especially grandchildren are already 100% Israelis and many do not even speak Russian / Although in our family all children and grandchildren speak Russian well, they always speak Hebrew among themselves. This is already their native language.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 26 February 2021 10: 44
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    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Well, the fact that the Russians will change the country is just a mistake.

    And for some reason I thought that our emigrants in terms of education and intelligence are much higher than local aborigines and people from other countries, and therefore will easily take a decisive role in governing the country. But your main trouble is that even there you were unable to unite to raise the level of all Israel. I understand perfectly well that the locals have always put a spoke in your wheels, but your solidarity turned out to be useless, since until now you have not been able to become the leading party in Israel.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Our children and especially grandchildren are already 100% Israeli and many do not even speak Russian

    This is natural, this happens to the descendants of all emigrants. But I know that some of our former citizens still have not parted with real estate in Crimea, they do not really know Hebrew, because they were mainly engaged in grandchildren, and they come on vacation once a year to receive a pension and visit the graves of their ancestors. I think they still taught the basics of the Russian language to their grandchildren, because they mostly communicate with their children in Russian, and with their grandchildren too, although they understand Hebrew at the everyday level.
    However, after these 60-80-year-olds die, hardly anyone in Israel will remember their historical roots in the USSR.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 26 February 2021 13: 15
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    And for some reason I thought that our emigrants in terms of education and intelligence are much higher than local aborigines and people from other countries, and therefore will easily take a decisive role in governing the country.


    You must understand that everyone who came from the former USSR, including me, joining the local society is just THE UNLITTELLITE in terms of language, understanding of the structure of the country and society. Studying this, all over time for 2-3 years or more, we become members of this society, in all understandings, well, as I wrote before, something positive, in the general understanding of society, is accepted, but nothing more. WE REMAIN CULTURE, well but to talk about some kind of coup is NOT SERIOUS AT ALL.
    Well, and with red flags on May Day in the 60s, there was also a communist party, which was fed by the USSR, and collective farms (kibbutzim) were created.
    But today all this is in the past. Yes, and kibbutzim began to produce high-tech military and civilian. products known all over the world, and agriculture almost all passed into the moshavim (farming).
    Quote: ccsr
    And for some reason I thought that our emigrants in terms of education and intelligence are much higher than local aborigines and people from other countries, and therefore will easily take a decisive role in governing the country.

    Therefore, whoever wants to remain in the old thinking, he is there and has remained alive while.
    Just one example.
    Elderly people who do not speak Hebrew watch Russian TV.
    And there, starting in August, they talk about the Sputnik vaccine and three more BEST IN THE WORLD (but not having WHO permission)
    And that from the Pfizer vaccination, people all over the world are dying like flies, the result is 43% of Russian-speaking people do not get vaccinated.
    And in fact, in Israel, 9,3 million were vaccinated from 3,5 to 6 million. one very elderly person died who had many whitenings, including two clinical deaths, AND NOT FROM VACCINATION.
    In Russia, 146 mil and 4-5 mil were vaccinated. (how many died no one will ever know)
    Israel plans to finish in April, May, the entire population, and these 43% who watch Russian TV, if they do not die, will finish together with Russia, in 3-4 years.
    Perhaps you assumed that there would be branches of United Russia, the Communist Party, or the Liberal Democratic Party in Israel?
    But they all already, as I understand it, and YOU are sitting across the throat.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 26 February 2021 19: 16
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    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Perhaps you assumed that there would be branches of United Russia, the Communist Party, or the Liberal Democratic Party in Israel?

    Understand correctly - you have long been cut off for us, and we are indifferent to how you settled there, and what the future of your country and you personally, too. In the end, it is you yourself who comes to Russian-language forums, which once again proves that your environment is not even interesting to you when discussing a wide range of issues, and not only military ones. But I will not hide, I knew some people who went there, and they were educated people, and not from ordinary positions. And I do not understand why they did not show themselves there, and Sharansky and Lieberman, who in the USSR at their best would have been the heads of the collective farm market in Berdichev, took the first roles. This is what I still cannot understand, especially since you are so fond of telling everyone that you have high-tech production, but they turned out to be unclaimed. For me, this paradox can be explained by one - either you are not so advanced, or these people were deliberately cut off oxygen.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Elderly people who do not speak Hebrew watch Russian TV.

    Does it scare you because we have a completely different description of the events in the Middle East?
    By the way, many of our people, visiting Israel, coming home, talk about the true attitude of the Israelis towards Russia, and believe me, our people immediately notice how aggressive your propaganda against our country is. Why, then, should we close our eyes to this?
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 26 February 2021 20: 30
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    In the end, it is you yourself who comes to the Russian-language forums,

    You cannot tell anyone, including me, in which language and in which forum to participate, especially since this forum is according to its rules INTERNATIONAL And published on FIVE foreign languages ​​and everyone chooses the audience that he considers suitable for him.
    I chose Russian to make sure AGAINthat my choice was correct and my family lives in a modern developed society under PROTECTION OF THE STATE.
    Quote: ccsr
    Sharansky and Lieberman, who are in the USSR at their best as heads of the collective farm market in Berdichev

    1 Berdichev was chosen by you as a city YES, there were many Jews, which apparently annoys you, it was not in vain that they reproached you.
    2 In 1973, Sharansky applied to leave for Israel, but this was refused. Was fired from All-Russian Research Institute of Oil and Gas, where he worked as an engineer-mathematician,
    On March 15, 1977, Sharansky was arrested on charges of treason and anti-Soviet agitation. Simultaneously with the arrest, the Izvestia newspaper published an open letter from Alexander Lipavsky, one of the people close to Sharansky, who was a KGB agent
    At the trial in July 1978, Sharansky refused a lawyer and defended himself on his own. He contested all charges. On July 14, the Collegium for Criminal Cases of the Supreme Court of the RSFSR sentenced him to imprisonment for a term 13 years with the serving of the first three years in prison, and subsequent years in a maximum security colony. and this is for the sake of living in Israel.
    YES, HE IS A HERO IN ISRAEL!
    3 In 1978 Avigdor Lieberman and his parents immigrated to Israel. Lieberman, After studying at Beersheba University, he entered the Faculty of International Relations of the University of Jerusalem, Department of Social Sciences.
    From 1982 to 1983 he served in the IDF. After completing his military service, he completed an artillery course at the Shivta military base. He served in the reserve service until 1996.
    In January 1999 Avigdor Lieberman announced the creation of the party "Israel Our Home"
    Minister of National Infrastructures (2001 - 2002)
    Minister of Transport (2003 - 2004)
    Minister of Strategic Planning (2006 - 2008)
    Minister of Foreign Affairs (2009-2012, 2013 - 2015)
    Head of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Commission (NDI) (2013)
    Defense Minister (2016 - 2018)
    For us, this is an example (although I do not vote for it) of what can be achieved in OUR COUNTRY
    AND DO NOT READ THE STUPIDITY THAT YOU WRITE.
    Quote: ccsr
    Does it scare you because we have a completely different description of the events in the Middle East?

    Nothing and who does not scare us, but outrages us propaganda lies on all state TV channels
    I just feel sorry for my friends, they are not Jews who have to live in a lie and deception to which you are also involved
    Quote: ccsr
    By the way, many of our people, visiting Israel, coming home, talk about the true attitude of the Israelis towards Russia, and believe me, our people immediately notice how aggressive your propaganda against our country is.

    THIS IS YOUR LIE!
  • ccsr
    ccsr 26 February 2021 21: 31
    -1
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    You cannot tell anyone, including me, in which language and in which forum to participate,

    Why should I tell you something, if you yourself cannot do without Russian forums - this is already evident from your activity and the activities of some Israelis.

    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Berdichev was chosen by you as a city YES, there were many Jews, which apparently annoys you, it was not in vain that you were reproached.

    I have been to Berdichev several times, my friend lived there and know the history of this city well. By the way, in the center of the city now many apartments have been bought by the Israelis, and one of my acquaintances, who moved to Moscow from Berdichev in the XNUMXs, just sold her apartment to such buyers. Everyone there knows it, and none of it makes a secret.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    YES, HE IS A HERO IN ISRAEL!

    And I thought you had a real Dragoon hero, but Sharansky turns out to be even cooler - you are simply ridiculous in your comparisons.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    and this is for the sake of living in Israel.

    I don’t need to sell it - I saw those who "dreamed" of living in Israel, for some reason, in Germany with my own eyes, when they sold their clothes near our military towns, and tried to sell all the dregs. They did not plan to leave for Israel anywhere, and their main goal was to get the Germans on social programs. And they succeeded, so tell those stories about the dream of living in Israel to those who did not get there.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    I just feel sorry for my friends, they are not Jews who have to live in a lie and deception to which you are also involved

    You highly appreciated me, it is even incomprehensible why I prevent your friends from understanding the truth not from my texts.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    THIS IS YOUR LIE!

    No, here you are lying - I just communicate with those who travel to you, and sometimes with those who live with you all the time, but come to Russia, so I don’t need to invent, I just listen to them carefully. They have no reason to lie to me.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 26 February 2021 22: 27
    -1
    Quote: ccsr
    if you yourself cannot do without Russian forums

    All I want is that propagandists from all Russian TV channels do not pour lies on my country about my country and people.
    Quote: ccsr
    And I thought you had a Dragoon real hero

    He is a hero, as a participant and commander of the CD during the Second World War.
    But in relation to the people of his nationality, he TRAITOR
    Only at the end of his life did he write
    “You know as well as I do that manifestations anti-Semitism has recently begun to take organized forms in a number of cases ... I believe that not a single manifestation of anti-Semitism can be left unpunished ... Ideological work to expose anti-Semitism, like Zionism, must be balanced and thoughtful ... ”.
    In his fatal adherence to the CPSU, HE COULD NOT UNDERSTAND THAT IS A PROGRAM THIS PARTIES AND GOVERNMENTS
    Quote: ccsr
    for some reason in Germany I saw with my own eyes, when they sold their clothes near our military towns, and tried to sell all the dregs.

    For me, these are not Jews. Jews cannot live with the heirs of those who brutally destroyed their ancestors.
    Quote: ccsr
    No, here you are lying - I just communicate with those who travel to you, and sometimes with those who live with you all the time, but come to Russia, so I don’t need to invent, I just listen to them carefully. They have no reason to lie to me.

    Knowing you and to please you and say what you want to hear.
    Next time if everything is bad, ask them why they are leaving lol
    You can ask the same question to MAZ
    I WILL RESPOND YOU FOR ALL OF THEM, THE MONEY FOR WHICH THEY ARE READY TO LIVE AT THE HELL.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 27 February 2021 09: 44
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    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    All I want is that propagandists from all Russian TV channels do not pour lies on my country about my country and people.

    Even your media is pouring dirt on Russia even more, but our people do not rush to your forums to make excuses - do not you find your motivation ridiculous?

    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    He is a hero, as a participant and commander of the CD during the Second World War.
    But in relation to the people of his nationality, he is a TRAITOR

    Lying, he is a world-class hero, and the fact that you do not like him does not give you the right, like Navalny, to accuse the deserved hero of betrayal. How easy it is to understand your essence from such your confessions ...
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    For me, these are not Jews. Jews cannot live with the heirs of those who brutally destroyed their ancestors.

    So for me it was a shock, but not for them. It looks like they also laughed at those who could not, as they would settle in Germany. In general, it was a pitiful sight.

    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Knowing you and to please you and say what you want to hear.

    Where did you get this, if I did not discuss this issue with them at all and did not express my opinion, but they themselves laughed, talking about your life and your blinkeredness.
    In general, it is people like you who understand best of all that it was not anti-Semitism that pushed Jews from the USSR, but their dream to achieve something there in another country. It is up to you to decide how much it was possible, but judging by the texts of some Israelis, this dream turned out to be illusory, especially since after the collapse of the USSR in Russia there were much more prospects for them.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 27 February 2021 10: 50
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    Even your media is pouring dirt on Russia even more,

    Please quote.
    Quote: ccsr
    Lying, he's a world class hero

    In the 1950s, Dragoonsky often represented the USSR abroad. Subsequently, his signatures have repeatedly appeared under anti-Israeli articles. Dragoonsky promoted a negative attitude towards the movement of Soviet Jews for aliyah.
    If his whole HEROISM CONSIDERED IN THIS, your thinking is understandable.
    Quote: ccsr
    In general, it is people like you who understand best of all that it was not anti-Semitism that pushed Jews from the USSR,

    You love the examples from the wiki, then read on.
    Anti-Semitism in the USSR - manifestation of xenophobia (negative perception, hostility and prejudice based on religious or ethnic prejudices) in relation to Jews in the USSR. Anti-Semitism manifested itself in many areas - from everyday (everyday nationalism) relations to public policy.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC_%D0%B2_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0#:~:text=%D0%90%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%CC%81%D0%B7%D0%BC%20%D0%B2%20%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0%20%E2%80%94%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%8F%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5%20%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B8,%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC)%20%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%B4%D0%BE%20%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8.
    And once again I understood the train of your thoughts
    FROM LIKE YOU LIKE YOUR COUNTRY LOOKS SOON IN IT AND ONLY SUCH WILL STAY.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 27 February 2021 11: 39
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    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    In the 1950s, Dragunsky often represented the USSR abroad.

    A worthy representative of the USSR - no one doubted this, except for the current Israelis.

    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    You love the examples from the wiki, then read on.
    Anti-Semitism in the USSR

    The wiki is lying in the interests of the Zionists, because I know very well how things were in my time - there was no anti-Semitism at the state level, and at the everyday level there were many more jokes about the Chukchi, Chapaev and Shtirlits than about Jews. And the jokes about Jews were spread by Jews themselves, like Zhvanetsky.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    FROM LIKE YOU LIKE YOUR COUNTRY LOOKS SOON IN IT AND ONLY SUCH WILL STAY.

    And I'm not really worried if you never return to Russia. True, it is not clear why then you are so active in the Russian-language forum ...
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 27 February 2021 15: 34
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    [quote = ccsr] Wiki lies in the interests of the Zionists, [/ quote
    When something doesn't lie to you
    ccsr (ccsr)
    23 February 2021 12: 54
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Today, 50% of total water consumption in Israel (and 80% of drinking) is desalinated sea water.
    You know better, nabout here's what the wiki writes:
    And when about the terry anti-Semitism, from which 1,3 mil Jews left the USSR, you have it a lie.
    So, during the 20-30s, YES, there was no anti-Semitism in the USSR, and at that time all outstanding scientists and designers, heads of military enterprises, who contributed to the military industry and after VO continued to develop nuclear technology and the development of space, received higher education.
    From 1950 to 1991, anti-Semitism wiped out the next generation of scholars.
    And today they are successfully working all over the world.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 27 February 2021 18: 47
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    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    You know better, but here's what the wiki writes:

    There is more than one author on the wiki, and these authors can often write paid articles as about the same water that you supposedly desalinate all of, although any sailor will tell you that it is used on ships only for technical needs.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    From 1950 to 1991, anti-Semitism wiped out the next generation of scholars.

    This is a vile lie, because in Soviet times, a large number of Jews worked in various research institutes, and clearly higher than their percentage in relation to all residents of the USSR. But the fact that not all Jewish scientists left for Israel is obvious to me - I met them after 1991 in the same scientific organizations.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    And today they are successfully working all over the world.

    Why then not in Israel? By the way, why does your youth irrevocably leave for Europe, first to get an education, and then stay there? Do you hope that they will return after living in Europe? Oh well...
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 27 February 2021 20: 31
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    Quote: ccsr
    This is a heinous lie

    So in the period 20-30 years YES, there was no anti-Semitism in the USSR, and at that time all outstanding scientists and designers, the leaders of military enterprises, who contributed to the military industry, and after VO continued to develop nuclear technology and the development of space, received higher education.
    I will give a very short list to understand WHAT I was writing about.
    THIS IS ONLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF YAO The list of all military inventors is many times greater.

    Yakov Borisovich Zeldovich is a nuclear weapon. 1914 years
    Julius Borisovich Khariton is a nuclear weapon. 1904 years
    Leo Landau is a nuclear weapon. 1908 years
    Alexander Ilyich Leipunsky is a nuclear weapon. 1903
    Ovsey Ilyich Leipunsky is a nuclear weapon. 1909 year
    Isaac Yakovlevich Pomeranchuk is a nuclear weapon. 1913 years
    Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg is a nuclear weapon. 1916 years
    David Abramovich Fishman - nuclear weapons 1917 years
    Iosif Evseevich Old man - nuclear weapon. 1902 years
    Vladimir Iosifovich Merkin - nuclear weapon. 1914 years
    Samuil Borisovich Kormer - nuclear weapon. 1923 years
    Yuri Aronovich Zysin - nuclear weapons 1917 year.
    David Albertovich Frank-Kamenetsky - nuclear weapon. 1910 years
    Grigory Moiseevich Mayranovsky - biological weapons. 1899 year
    I wrote the year of birth so that you understand ALL OF THEY WERE BORN IN THE PERIOD OF 1900 TO 1920
    Their study and formation took place in the period 1920-1945 Then there was no ANTISIMITISM at all, moreover, for this there was criminal article there were educational institutions in Yiddish.
    Beginning in 1950, when Stalin's dreams of having Israel under his boot turned to dust and he decided to take revenge on the Jews who were at his fingertips or feet.
    But these, he guarded like the apple of his eye.
    And from that time until 1991, everything that concerned high science a quota was set.
    Now, it's your turn to compile a list of Jewish scholars of this level born from 1950 to 1988

    Please find someone else to whom you can hang anti-Semitic noodles.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 28 February 2021 11: 02
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    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Now, it's your turn to compile a list of Jewish scholars of this level born from 1950 to 1988

    And they would not have been able to rise to this level, if only because when they began to leave for Israel after 1967, they were very few years old at that time.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    And from that time until 1991, a quota was established for everything related to high science.

    This is a vile lie, because I saw many Jews in the eighties in large positions in academic and industrial research institutes, and the Ministry of Electrotechnical Industry among its customers generally had the conditional name "synagogue". So I don’t have to go over the ears - if the Jews were not promoted to the highest level, it was only because they had to have at least the second or first form of admission, and it was impossible to get it if there were relatives in Israel. And I gave an example with one sensible designer from Voronezh, who just did not become the director of a serious research institute, because his relatives did not go to meet him, and left for Israel. Naturally, he did not receive admission, but not because he was a Jew, but because his relatives were abroad. This applied to all Soviet people, regardless of nationality.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Please find someone else to whom you can hang anti-Semitic noodles.

    And you look for those who believe in your "tears" - I am clearly not one of them. By the way, was Dragunsky also an anti-Semite?
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Beginning in 1950, when Stalin's dreams of having Israel under his boot turned to dust and he decided to take revenge on the Jews who were at his fingertips or feet.

    In fact, you have to kiss Stalin's seat - were it not for his will, the British would have allowed you to create Israel in 1947, and you would not be living in the Promised Land now.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 28 February 2021 12: 11
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    Quote: ccsr
    In fact, you have to kiss Stalin's seat - were it not for his will, the British would have allowed you to create Israel in 1947, and you would not be living in the Promised Land now.

    All that is higher is LA-LA POPLA
    This is not the level of the level
    Max Arkadevich Taits - Test Director of Bomber and Fighter
    Gleb Evgenievich Lozino-Lozinsky - airplanes, space ships.
    Aron Abramovich Richter - aircraft guns.
    Yakov Einovich Aisenberg - strategic missile SS-18 ("Satan")
    Max Arkadevich Taits - Test Director of Bomber and Fighter
    Gleb Evgenievich Lozino-Lozinsky - airplanes, space ships.
    Aron Abramovich Richter - aircraft guns.
    Yakov Einovich Aisenberg - strategic missile SS-18 ("Satan")
    Joseph Yakovlevich Kotin - inventor of KV, IS-4, T-10 tanks, PT-76 amphibious tank, etc.
    Victor Mendelevich Sorkin - control systems for aircraft and helicopters.
    Ilya Moiseevich Zaks - designer of aircraft power plants, from 1934 he worked at the OKB A.N. Tupolev, in 1940–86 - at the P.O. Sukhoi.
    Moisey Abramovich Komissarchik - rocket armament.
    Abram Yakovlevich Fisher - small arms.
    Evgeny Samoilovich Gurevich - small arms.
    Alexander Usherovich Dorf - small arms.
    Boris Gennadievich Lasman - artillery.
    Zinovy ​​Zakharovich Gurevich - mortars.
    Yakov Mikhailovich Matskin - warships.
    Ruvim Borisovich Gantvarger - warships.

    Karl Arnstein - military airships.
    Lev Efimovich Khazanov is an expert in the field of radar and ship weapons control systems.
    Iosif G. Neman - KhAI-3 combat trainer, high-speed reconnaissance aircraft KhAI-5 (R-10) and KhAI-6, and attack aircraft Ivanov, KhAI-51, KhAI-52.
    Matus Ruvimovich Bisnovat - aircraft missiles K-40, K-60 and K-73, aircraft SK-2, etc.
    Lev Veniaminovich Lyulyev - missile systems "Circle", "Buk", "Cube", "S-300", "Antei".
    Mikhail Romanovich Waldenberg - MIG-23.
    Yuri Viktorovich Chudetsky - rocket technology.
    Gedaliy Moiseevich Kunyavsky - designer of radar and fighter weapons control systems
    Sverdlov, Taits, Felsner, Heifetz - designers at the Lavochkin Design Bureau.
    Alexander Emmanuilovich Nudelman - creator of the N-37, NS-45, NS-23 aircraft guns, tank and anti-tank guns
    Lev Izrailevich Gorlitsky - self-propelled guns SU-122, SU-85, SU-100, SU-100P
    Semyon Abramovich Vigdorchik - specialist in the field of aviation technology.
    Joseph G. Teverovsky - 160 mm mortar
    Zelman Isaakovich Itskovich - participated in the creation of the first Soviet fighter with a liquid engine.
    Mark Vladimirovich Weinberg - Mi-2, B-12, Mi-14 and Mi-24.
    Yakov Ionovich Baran - one of the designers of the tanks BT-2, BT-5, BT-7, T-Z2, T-Z4, T-54, T-64.
    Isaac Borisovich Iosilovich - Pe-3 fighters, Pe-2 and Il-4 bombers.
    Felix Ruvimovich Gantmakher - creator of the theory of flight of unguided rockets, incl. Katyusha.
    Boris Semyonovich Jacobi - sea mines.
    Georgy Yakovlevich Altshuler - equipment for submarines.
    Boris Lvovich Shaposhnik - wheeled artillery tractors with 8x8 wheel formula.
    Evgeny Samuilovich Iofinov - anti-missiles and anti-missile defense systems.
    Nosan Shneurovich Abelev - artillery.
    Samuil Simonovich Rivkin - gyroscopes.
    Efim Grigorievich Zelkin is a developer of antenna devices for radar guidance, aircraft bombing, missile seeker.
    Leonid Borisovich Roshal - anti-tank guided weapon system "Kastle"
    Aron Moiseevich Sokol - instrumentation systems for naval artillery firing.
    David Nikolaevich Vishnevsky - fuse constructor.
    Mikhail Iosifovich Yanovsky - design engineer of ship turbines.
    Yuri Naumovich Sorochkin - light tanks T-70 and T-80.
    Alexander Kuzmich Usyskin - warships
    Yakov Moiseevich Zheleznyakov - leading designer of artillery weapons
    Lev Abramovich Loktev - 37-mm automatic anti-aircraft gun of the 1939 model (61-K), 57-mm anti-aircraft gun (S-60), etc.
    Zinovy ​​Moiseevich Persits - developed a homing system for missiles, including an anti-tank guided projectile "bumblebee"
    Boris Solomonovich Frumnin - a participant in the creation of warships.
    Nakhim Aronovich Lifshits is one of the main developers of the S-25 air defense system.
    Frol Petrovich Lipsman - missile defense, communications.
    Amiel Rafailovich Volpert - radar station.
    Akiva Solomonovich Grinstein - radar.
    Mark Isaakovich Glikin - radar.
    Semyon Gershevich Grinshpun - one of the designers of the V-1000 interceptor missile.
    Vladimir Igorevich Gurevich - military equipment.
    Boris Abramovich Raizberg - participation in the creation of an intercontinental ballistic missile.
    Genrikh Moiseevich Zaslavsky - propellers for combat aircraft
    Alexander Samoilovich Bas-Dubov - propellers for combat aircraft
    Georgy Ilyich Maykapar - screws for Il-2, La-5 and Tu-114.
    Evgeny Sergeevich Felsner - turbojet engine AL-21F-3 for Su-24, Su-17 and MiG-23B.
    Mikhail Lvovich Gorikker - anti-tank hedgehog
    Semyon Alekseevich Lavochkin - La planes
    Mikhail Iosifovich Gurevich - MiG aircraft
    Alexander Moiseevich Izakson - diving bombers "Pe-2", "Pe-3", "Pe-8"
    Mikhail Leontyevich Miles - Mi helicopters
    Semyon Arievich Kosberg - designer of aircraft and rocket engines
    Yakov Efimovich Vikhman - designer of the tank diesel V-2
    Boris Isaakovich Rabinovich - ballistic missiles.
    Boris Iosifovich Sapsovich - designer of HEADLIGHTS for radar
    Semyon Aleksandrovich Ginzburg - SU-76

    Alexander Tanovich Ginzburg - artillery
    Yuri Ilyich Shenfinkel - aircraft designer.
    Pyotr Abramovich Shuster - aviation, rocket and space technology.
    Naum Semyonovich Chernyakov - La-250 Anaconda fighter-interceptor, the Tempest unmanned aerial vehicle, T-4 supersonic reconnaissance and reconnaissance aircraft (“100”); T-4MS ("200"); UAV Tu-300 “Kite”; medium-range supersonic bomber “T-60”
    Yakov Izrailevich Nevyazhsky. On October 7, 1941, a department for engine building of the Kirov Chelyabinsk Tank Plant was created, headed by engineer Ya. I. Nevyazhsky. Before the war, the chief engineer of the Kharkov Motor Plant. He supervised the establishment of the production of tank diesel engines V-2. In July 1941, he worked at ChTZ on the issue of establishing the production of tank diesel engines, headed the motor production here. He was awarded 2 Orders of Lenin. Launched the motor plant evacuated from Kharkov in 1,5 months.
    Boris Mikhailovich Slonimer - one of the creators of Katyusha
    Leia Borisovna Kizner - one of the creators of "Katyusha"
    Abram Markovich Sogolov - ammunition designer
    Leonid Emilievich Schwartz - charges for rockets RS-82, RS-132
    Abram Solomonovich Derenkovsky - air sight
    Victor Leonidovich Brodsky - warships
    Boris Evseevich Chertok - missiles and airplanes.
    Arnold Moiseevich Katz - cruise missiles.
    Aron Naumovich Amromin - designer of the missile control radar system.
    Evgeny Yakovlevich Boguslavsky - a participant in the development of the radio control system for the R-7 ICBM.
    Grigory Yakovlevich Rotenberg - anti-aircraft and other weapons.
    Moisey Haimovich Zaslavsky - chief designer of space equipment for electronic intelligence.
    Alexander Meerovich Breigin is a designer of naval aviation control facilities.
    Marks Samuilovich Presman is a designer of turbines for aircraft engines for airplanes and helicopters.
    Ioffe I.M. - torpedo tubes.
    Fred David - Airplanes.
    Kushnir K.Z. - chief designer of a number of projects in military shipbuilding (Small landing ships of project 106, etc.)
    Malakhovsky, Abram Emmanuilovich - mentioned among those awarded the Lenin Prize in 1958 - for the creation of single-rotor helicopters Mi-1 and Mi-4
    Brooker, Abram Bentsianovich - mentioned among those awarded with the Lenin Prize in 1960 - for organizing the development and development of industrial production of the organophosphate organic matter sarin
    Rapoport, Ilya Grigorievich and Meerson, Zalman Movshevich - are mentioned among those awarded the Lenin Prize in 1963 - for the development of the K-10, K-11, K-16 and K-20 missile-carrying systems capable of hitting point mobile sea and land targets, and also air defense and missile defense radars from long distances
    Vitaly Veniaminovich Raizberg - developer of the 1C12 radar for the Krug anti-aircraft missile system
    Isaac Markovich Nyman - the creator of explosives from widely available cheap material.
    Vladimir Izrailevich Levkov - hovercraft
    Abram Samuilovich Kassatsier - 667A strategic nuclear missile submarine cruiser
    Dmitry Vladimirovich Leschiner - military aircraft (?)
    Anatoly L. Livshits - creator of the air defense command and control system
    Boris Grigorievich Lutsky - a motor for a destroyer.
    Naum Moiseevich Reinov - grenades, fuses, etc.
    Open any name on GOOGLE and read
    AND YOU ARE ABOUT TWO HALF JEWS WHO, USING PREVIOUS SUCCESSES AND ACHIEVEMENTS, REDUCE SOMETHING UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF ROGOZIN lol
  • ccsr
    ccsr 28 February 2021 13: 58
    -1
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    All that is higher is LA-LA POPLA
    This is not the level of the level

    I realized that the Sabbath was over and you again launched your Israeli propaganda.
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    AND YOU ARE ABOUT TWO AND HALF JEWS,

    Actually, I'm not the one that your propaganda footcloths can influence - I lived at that time, and unlike you, I knew how the Soviet Union lived and what role the Jews played in the life of the country. By the way, the list you gave is just a drop in the sea of ​​all the scientists and engineers who participated in the creation of all types of weapons and equipment, but you want to prove that only they could create something, and this is a primitive lie. Moreover, you do not indicate how many talented people were killed in the Gulag, which was led by Jews like Bergman or Kogan. So it is still unknown how this affected the development of the country, if these figures did not turn out to be as bloodthirsty as the same Trotsky.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 28 February 2021 19: 55
    -1
    Quote: ccsr
    like the same Trotsky.

    Throw out your Communist Party card and read what the Zvezda website writes
  • ccsr
    ccsr 1 March 2021 11: 37
    -1
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Throw out your Communist Party card and read what the Zvezda website writes

    Why should I throw it out if the Communist Party has long been gone?
    I don't know what the Zvezda website writes, but I know the history of my country quite well, and I can figure it out even without a party card.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 28 February 2021 14: 12
    -1
    Quote: ccsr
    In fact, you have to kiss Stalin's seat - were it not for his will, the British would have allowed you to create Israel in 1947, and you would not be living in the Promised Land now.

    The political information did not tell you about it.
    AND THIS IS HISTORY
    On November 2, 1917, a document was issued by the Foreign Secretary of the British Empire, Lord Arthur James Balfour (the text can be found on the Internet)
    You should know that during the publication of the Balfour Declaration the term "Palestine" referred only and exclusively to the geographic region that included the historical Land of Israel (Hebrew "Eretz Yisrael") and not to a political entity, as no independent or sovereign entity called "Palestine" ever existed.
    On July 24, 1922, by the decision of the League of Nations (predecessor of the UN), it was adopted to create a mandate in Palestine / Eretz Yisrael. By this decision, adopted as an act of international law, the League made the British Empire responsible for the implementation of the Balfour Declaration with the aim of "creating in Palestine a national home for the Jewish people." The League of Nations mandate, now legally binding, recognized the "historical connection of the Jewish people" to the region known in history as the Land of Israel, Judea and the Holy Land.
    NOTICE THERE WAS NO STALIN AND IN MIND
    In 1947, on the basis of the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate of the League of Nations, the UN General Assembly decided to divide the mandated territory into a Jewish and an Arab state. This decision was supported by 33 states, which included the USSR.
    For: 33
    Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Belarus, Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukrainian SSR, South Africa, USA, USSR, Uruguay, Venezuela.
    Against: 13
    Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.
    Abstaining: 10
    Even if the USSR, Ukraine and Belarus were against for it would be 30
    But Stalin really really wanted to insert the Britons and take their place.
    AND HERE FOR YOUR SUPPORT DURING THE WAR FOR INDEPENDENCE THANKS TO HIM!
  • ccsr
    ccsr 1 March 2021 11: 43
    -1
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    NOTICE THERE WAS NO STALIN AND IN MIND

    Well, why then did Israel not emerge in 1922, when Stalin was already in the governing bodies of the CPSU (b)?
    By the way, the Haifa region was one of the sub-regions of Mandatory Palestine, but for some reason you don't want to recognize this point. Why is such hypocrisy, referring to the decisions of the League of Nations, not to carry them out at the same time?
  • ironic
    ironic 25 February 2021 21: 13
    -1
    The anti-Semite thanked you, you will live long.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 25 February 2021 23: 16
    0
    Quote: ironic
    The anti-Semite thanked you, you will live long.

    I will live exactly as long as it is written in the Book of Life, no, I'm not a believer, but a Jew who honors Jewish customs.
    I hope you know that rudeness and rudeness receive the same answer and all truth and lies are drowned in this rudeness.
    If people were constantly inculcated at the state level with hatred of another nation and blamed it for all the troubles, it is clear that there were those who continue to seek all their worth in this nation.
    And even today, when there is no trace of anti-Semitism in Russia at the state level,
    at the household level, they continue to blame Israel as a Jewish state for all their failures.
    And only our calmness and ability to explain what the state of Israel is, which for 73 years, despite the Arab countries with the support of the USSR, not only managed to defend itself, but also to build one of the most advanced countries in the world. And for this I quite calmly explained what the person is wrong about.
    I really hope that he will understand what Stalin did not manage to do in 1950, of course it is not relevant today.
  • ironic
    ironic 28 February 2021 13: 31
    +1
    I can wish you as much patience as years of life. Although it is already at a level unattainable for me. Happy Purim holiday to you. And since I have a short wick on all of these, I wish you a long enough record so that you can see how the ears of all these haters fall on the same plate as the ears of the "father of the people" in the already distant Purim of 53rd.
  • ironic
    ironic 25 February 2021 21: 25
    -1
    Thanks to you, I don't see anything good in Novigod. I congratulate the friends of Christians, this is their holiday. And "thanks to us" is a profanation, and even with ignorance of what they did to us in Rome that day.
  • ironic
    ironic 25 February 2021 13: 26
    -2
    And I agree with what the move gave in your description, but even then with reservations (in terms of the corporal, at least for the nasty story with the Northern border, because they made idiots out of all the citizens of Israel) and do not agree that one should be grateful for this ... No one should be grateful for the fact that for 50K bucks per head, he was released from one country and for the same was transported to another with 152 dollars in his pocket (in my case). Yes, at least an apology is due to me for this, and yes, I blame everyone who believes that they are not due to me.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 22 February 2021 11: 10
    +24
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Nuclear excess will surely affect Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt

    Far from all the layouts, what are we on the distant approaches, but as a person close to this, tell me why Iran should bomb nuclear weapons in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt? Moreover, the Arabs also live there.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 22 February 2021 11: 22
      +6
      Quote: Stas157
      Nuclear excess will surely hurt Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt

      To begin with, open the map of the region and everything will immediately become clear without any layouts. hi
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  • bk0010
    bk0010 23 February 2021 00: 33
    +1
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Ayatols drown very loudly for the "Palestinian brothers". Where will they hit with nuclear weapons? Jerusalem, where nearly 250 Arabs live? In Tel Aviv with another 000? Through the reactor in Dimona, 150 Bedouins, along with their camels, sheep and goats, will instantly go to the booths of heaven. In Israel, almost 000/100 of cities with a mixed population!
    So what? Do you think the Persians feel sorry for the Arabs? They don't like Arabs, they don't like you.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 23 February 2021 01: 20
      +6
      Quote: bk0010
      So what? Do you think the Persians feel sorry for the Arabs? They don't like Arabs, they don't like you.

      Ayatollahs decided to throw tens of years and huge financial and human reserves to create enterprises in granite rocks to create nuclear weapons, made terrible economic sacrifices, driving the country to frenzied inflation and their people to complete amazement and all this because of their dislike for us? Cool.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 22 February 2021 08: 47
    +2
    Alexander hi you have not been on the site for a long time! Actually, if the Persians really wanted to destroy Israel as a state, they would buy several atomic charges from the Pakistanis, or pay for their creation and not steam with their nuclear program! ! And the Israelis of Syria were also useful, because Israel, as a gesture of goodwill for the release of a woman detained in Syria, who inadvertently crossed the border of Syria, the Israelis will buy a batch of our vaccine against Covid 19 from us for Syria! So, in this world, everything is complicated, incomprehensible, and confusing. ...
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 22 February 2021 09: 10
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      in this world everything is complicated, incomprehensible, and confusing.

      So let's not confuse this ourselves even more. hi
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 22 February 2021 09: 47
        +6
        Halts hi - I just want to wish peace to all of us! So that our great-grandchildren will live to see the day when states will not be at war with each other in the world! !! drinks
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 22 February 2021 09: 54
          +6
          Quote: Thrifty
          Privalov - I just want to wish peace to all of us! So that our great-grandchildren will live to see the day when states will not be at war with each other in the world! !!

          Mutually! Save you, L-rd.
          “Peace in the Middle East will come when Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews.” (Golda Meir)
    2. sidoroff
      sidoroff 22 February 2021 16: 24
      +1
      the Pakistani nuclear project was paid for by the Saudis, who hate the Ayatollahs and cannot eat.
  • FrankyStein
    FrankyStein 22 February 2021 11: 00
    +8
    "The supply of goods through Syria strains the Israelis by the possibility of delivering components for the production of nuclear weapons to Iran.
    "The production of missiles, guidance systems and other military production is located in the suburbs of Damascus."
    After such pearls to read further, it means to clog your brain.
  • ironic
    ironic 22 February 2021 14: 10
    +1
    It would not hurt the author to learn in which city the capital of Israel is and remember that the official Russian Federation considers West Jerusalem as such. And it would also be nice not to advertise the hit of the air defense systems sold to Syria on false targets generously launched by the Israeli Air Force. As well as the silent C-300, which has no impact on the activities of the IAF.
  • ironic
    ironic 22 February 2021 14: 25
    0
    And one more thing - one should not advertise such an alleged weakness, fear and helplessness of Israel, this can indirectly lead to unnecessary bloodshed. Which cannot but affect negatively any peace initiatives. Palestine is Israel, and Palestinians are Jews. Until the 67th year, Syrian and Arabian settlers in Palestine could infect in one attempt to call them Palestinians, but Golda Meir called herself a proud Plestine in official statements.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 22 February 2021 14: 48
      +3
      Ironic hi "The whole world is Israel, and the people in it are Jews" !!!!! lol drinks A joke of humor! hi Happy February 23rd, all of you and us! !!! drinks drinks
      1. ironic
        ironic 22 February 2021 17: 19
        -5
        Thanks to you, too. good drinks It would be nice if the whole world. good Do you know how Israel is translated? wink
        1. Clear
          Clear 23 February 2021 21: 38
          +6
          Quote: ironic
          Do you know how Israel is translated?

          So, it depends on which dictionary winked ... There are eight of them, starting with the nickname of Jacob.
          1. ironic
            ironic 23 February 2021 21: 48
            -1
            And Yakov got this nickname precisely for the cause. wink
            1. Clear
              Clear 23 February 2021 21: 53
              +6
              Quote: ironic
              And Jacob got this nickname exactly for work. wink

              ... according to your deeds, let it be rewarded to you winked
              1. ironic
                ironic 24 February 2021 14: 48
                +2
                Jacob was rewarded with great good according to his affairs. wink
                1. Clear
                  Clear 24 February 2021 20: 52
                  +5
                  Quote: ironic
                  Jacob was rewarded with great good according to his affairs. wink

                  Well, it's good that someone, because of someone, has a positive attitude towards VO. yes
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 22 February 2021 16: 08
    +3
    Israel is such a "versatile" state. On the one hand, it is quite successful in economic terms, industrial, supplier of weapons, equipment, software, etc. Not without subsidies to the defense industry from the United States. The standard of living is excellent, especially in terms of medicine. On the other hand, a nationalist state pursuing an aggressive policy of its defense is such an oxymoron. The territories allocated by the UN in 47 have grown heavily captured and controlled. Since 1947, the Arab death toll appears to have been much higher than the Jewish death toll. Moreover, Israel is not shy about kidnapping / killing unwanted people around the world. You cannot say that they are all angels (there were also terrorists), but, for example, killing scientists who work for the defense of their state is savagery and state terrorism. Yes, perhaps this is an effective defense of the type - "no man - no problem" (a phrase that Rybakov - Aronov attributed to Stalin), but, to put it mildly, does not cause sympathy. Jews constantly exploit the idea of ​​being chosen by God on the one hand and the idea of ​​sacrifice (the Holocaust) on the other, but for a long time they have not been victims, rather the opposite.
    But we must not forget that Israel is getting closer to Russia than the Arab countries. Socio-cultural values ​​are somehow close, although the degree of nationalism and the influence of religion did not stand close.
    But strange as it may seem, the USSR / Russia and Israel are more often on opposite sides of the barricades, although not directly. Actually, nothing strange, Israel is a loyal vassal and conductor of the US policy in the Middle East, and the US is a long-time "friend" of the USSR / Russia
    1. dSK
      dSK 22 February 2021 16: 31
      +1
      Quote: sevtrash
      Israel is a loyal vassal and conductor of US policy in the Middle East

      It is the States that finance and work for their "ancestral home" -
      Again we will wait for the coming of the Messiah ...
      Author: Alexander Staver.
      And undoubtedly someday he will come and will rule the planet for 3,5 years before the second coming of Jesus Christ ...
      1. ironic
        ironic 22 February 2021 17: 52
        -3
        Yeah, and the tail also wags the dog.
        Yeah, the second ... the first was not, but we were only 3.5 years old before the second.
        1. dSK
          dSK 22 February 2021 19: 03
          0
          Quote: ironic
          there was no first

          Have you ever read the Gospel? Jerusalem was destroyed because your ancestors did not recognize the "Son of God" and crucified Christ, and he warned them about it. And he said that he would return again, and how it would be ...
          During the first 300 years of persecution of Christians, after the Resurrection of Christ, when they were burned, poisoned by lions, and so on ... Yes, and in our time only in Iraq there were 1,5 million Christians, now the "concerns" of your patrons are 10 times less - why are you surprised that they treat you so "favorably"?
          Is 2000 years of scattering a pure coincidence?
          The Antichrist will rule only 3,5 years and not a year more. "Apocalypse" of the Apostle John.
          1. ironic
            ironic 22 February 2021 19: 27
            -1
            Of course I read more than one. So what? The first Gospel dates back to about 400 years after the hypothetical death of Christ. In general, all the Gospels are the same written oral Tradition as was accepted by the Jews, but only without the certification of the writer and without the witnessing of two witnesses. There were several Yeshua, there was no Christ at all in our time. And they crucified Jews by hundreds and thousands, you are the peoples of the world in the person of Roman soldiers and all sorts of foreign legions and your collaborators in the person of Herod's henchmen with hangers-on. All who were on the side of the Matityahu dynasty, which Herod finished off, starting with his own wife, thanks to whom he sat on the throne, the invaders and tormentors of the Jewish people hated you. Yeah, ay ill bi back. But it wasn't there at all. And then 400 years passed and the followers of Saul, without whom this Herbalife would never have reached not only the fame of the world team, but even the level of supervising, at an extremely weak philosophical level tried to create a calcification on the principle of transmitting the oral religious Tradition among the Jews in parallel to the written tradition ... And everything would be fine if not for one ambush. There was no Christ. In general, it was not. And the Sermon on the Mount is a preserved fragment of the antediluvian philosophical paradigm, voiced, according to the surviving scraps of information from the manuscripts of the Dead Sea, by a teacher who came to the peoples of the antediluvian period. That's all, but the return to the Motherland has already taken place, we are Russian-speaking Jews, we are the new generation of desert wanderers. When our generation dies, the Messiah, the son of Joseph, will die with us, for we are all sons of the town and survivors of the WWII and from the alloy with the Jewish settlement and all the Slavic genes that were woven into mixed families, like the blood of David's grandmother, the Messiah, the son of David and Israel will be born in Israel will exist until the end of the days of human civilization. From such is the story of the son of God, who was born of His Bride in the Song of Songs, but this is not one person, this is the people of Israel, who died by Joseph in the furnaces of the Holocaust and was resurrected by David under the blue-white shield of Mr. Israel.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 22 February 2021 19: 43
              +3
              Straight poem! laughing
              Its five kopecks - the first Gospel, according to Mark, dates from about 85 AD.
              Yeshua Ben Yosef was - both Josephus and the Romans wrote about him.
              His brother Yakov was a Righteous One - after his skills as Iroids, the people wanted to rise up in rebellion, the Romans were forced to change the high priest.
              The Sermon on the Mount most likely shows the "historical Christ."
              Of course nothing new for the Jews there was no.
              The son of Gd is any Jew. Our heavenly Father is Avinu Shebeshamim.
              1. ironic
                ironic 22 February 2021 20: 38
                0
                The Gospel of Mark is the shortest and somewhat different from the rest, in addition there are strong discrepancies in its dating. Some generally attribute it to the 30th year of the first century, most to the 70th, but there are many who doubt such an early period.
                Josephus is a captive narrator, I would not rely on his narrative, but this is not the point, but the fact that Yeshua, about which the type is in question, was at least three and all were born at slightly different times and everyone preached and taught and all were crucified. But Christ in the sense of the word Χριστό, in modern history (i.e. about 5 thousand years) did not exist at all.

                Namely - the historical teacher, who, according to scraps of testimony, was supposed to save the antediluvian generation from the inevitable fate, by his teaching. The Sermon on the Mount is a extant passage.

                Actually, the children of B-d - Bnei Elohim are the level of Angels one step below Sarafim. And the Jews use this expression in prayer with a slightly different intention - kavana.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 22 February 2021 20: 54
                  0
                  1) The Gospel of Mark synoptic (only the Gospel of John is very different)
                  2) Josephus Flavius ​​- if we abstract from the later insertions, then “they stoned Jacob the Righteous, brother of Yeshua, who was called the Messiah”. Whether he was the Messiah or not is a matter of faith and interpretation of the associated texts.
                  3) Can I link to this passage from the Dead Sea Scrolls?
                  4) Ok, but all Jews consider Gd to be their father.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 22 February 2021 21: 30
                    -4
                    1) Here are just the events there robustly rearranged.
                    2) Yeah, that's just not how they stoned the Jews ...
                    3) I was seriously engaged in this for a long time, when "lyakhzor be teshuva" was going to, it was in the early 2000s. You need to search on purpose. This is not just one passage, I was doing a lot at that time and a few not simple things with difficult to translate texts.
                    4) In the sense that he is the Creator of everything, but the relationship with the Gd of the people is described as the relationship of the bride and groom. On the other hand, the attitude of Gd to the holiness that he laid in the people is described as the attitude of a neighbor to a neighbor. This is somewhat difficult to explain without philosophical training.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 22 February 2021 22: 38
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                      1) They begin from the moment of the baptism (atbala) of Christ by John, the earliest version found to date ends with the fact that “women entered the cave and, not finding the body of Christ, ran out of there in horror”.
                      2)
                      על פי התורה וההלכה היהודית, אנשים העוברים עברות מסוימות נענשים בסקילה. לדוגמה: מחללי שבת חייבים סקילה על פי ההלכה. כך גם דינם של עובדי עבודה זרה, מכשפים, עוברי עברות אישות מסוימות וחוטאים נוספים. כך למשל נגזר דינו של מקושש העצים:

                      "וַיֹּצִיאוּ אֹתוֹ כָּל-הָעֵדָה אֶל-מִחוּץ לַמַּחֲנֶה וַיִּרְגְּמוּ אֹתוֹ בָּאֲבָנִים וַיָּמֹת כַּאֲשֶׁר צִוָּה ה 'אֶת-מֹשֶׁה" (במדבר ט"ו, ל"ו

                      According to the Torah and Halakha, people who committed crimes were stoned to death. For example, those who break the Sabbath (prescribed by Halakha), practitioners of pagan rituals, sorcerers, some other criminals and sinners.
                      על פי ההלכה בסנהדרין פרק ו ', הסקילה היהודית מתבצעת בשלושה שלבים: בשלב הראשון הנידון נזרק ממקום גבוה; אם לא מת בכך, זורקים עליו אבן גדולה; ורק לאחר מכן, רוגמים אותו כל העדה באבנים [2

                      According to Halakha, the skill was carried out as follows:
                      The offender is thrown from a height;
                      If he survives, a large stone is dropped on him;
                      Only then is the person stoned.
                      3) Where did you get the excerpts?
                      4) In Solomon's "Song of Songs" - yes. About neighbors and holiness - somewhat Kabbalistically. In a little more detail, in a nutshell, can you?
                      1. ironic
                        ironic 22 February 2021 23: 33
                        -4
                        1) As far as I remember, and again it was not yesterday, there is a desynchronization of some of the events in comparison with other Gospels. This is from memory, at a glance.
                        2) Right. But not just from a height, but from the highest hill, which is next to the yeshuv, if not from the highest building. Before this, a person was given an intoxicating drink to drink so that he would not feel fear and suffering.
                        3) I was looking for the published on the net on the sites of the corresponding subject. And also read the analysis of different authors. Well, I say, now I’ll take off in 5 minutes. I will not put it together.
                        4) What is said in "Shema le-Layla" above the person's head? Shkhenat-El. And who is Shahen, respectively?
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 23 February 2021 00: 43
                        -1
                        1) Not really
                        2) I agree
                        3) Yes, they are in no hurry to publish them
                        4) Gd?
                      3. ironic
                        ironic 23 February 2021 13: 37
                        0
                        1) Now is not enough time to sit down and review again. Maybe on occasion.
                        2) But this is not at all what is described in the Gospels.
                        3) Yes, there is, just again, to bring the material in a sufficient informative sequence, I now do not have enough free time.
                        4) Yes.
                    2. Maki Avellevich
                      Maki Avellevich 23 February 2021 07: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: ironic
                      And who is Shahen, respectively?

                      not "Shahen" but Shekhinah
                    3. ironic
                      ironic 23 February 2021 13: 41
                      0
                      It is Shahen, or, as Haim Vital puts it, the baala de-matronita.
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 23 February 2021 03: 30
          +1
          Quote: Krasnodar
          His brother Yakov was a righteous man

          Mother's brother? Those. Mary even after the second birth remained a virgin? recourse
          Or paternal half-brother? Those. So there was another son of God?recourse
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 23 February 2021 14: 17
            0
            A brother, according to Jewish sources.
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 22 February 2021 20: 31
        +3
        Of course I read more than one. So what? The first Gospel dates back to about 400 years after the hypothetical death of Christ.


        70 A.D. e. Acts of the Apostles, 69-96 Apocalypse. You have not read anything and do not understand anything.
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 20: 50
          -3
          Yeah, and one of the supposed Yeshua was born it turns out 150 years before the countdown of our time began. I read more than you can imagine, and I understand even more than I weigh. And I weigh a good hundred. The Acts of the Apostles were, although I would say basically one - Saul, but Christ did not exist at all.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 22 February 2021 21: 03
            -1
            Scientists have come to a consensus that there was))
            Yeshua was a popular name in Judea and Galilee.
            Jesus Christ means the brother of Jacob the Righteous
            Under Pilate, three pretenders to the Messiah were executed
            One of them was Yeshua the Egyptian (aMizri), another was Judas, nicknamed the Samaritan
            1. ironic
              ironic 22 February 2021 21: 21
              0
              And scientists do not know what they have come to, it is not enough to be a historian for this. Well, yes, it was popular and translates as a savior, and there was also Yeshua ben Pandira, and also Yeshua ben Praha, as I said, there were at least three or more of them, among them were the righteous and not quite. It is possible to imply that, but there was no Christ. Saul actually created the concept of Christ.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 22 February 2021 22: 42
                -2
                Quote: ironic
                And scientists do not know what they have come to, it is not enough to be a historian for this. Well, yes, it was popular and translates as a savior, and there was also Yeshua ben Pandira, and also Yeshua ben Praha, as I said, there were at least three or more of them, among them were the righteous and not quite. It is possible to imply that, but there was no Christ. Saul actually created the concept of Christ.

                Once again, no connection with Shaul of Tarsus. Google Historical Christ. Many links and their analysis. hi
                Is Pandira from Toldot Yeshu?
                1. ironic
                  ironic 22 February 2021 23: 36
                  -3
                  Toldot Yeshu is a later myth-making based on rather short references in the Talmud.
                2. ironic
                  ironic 22 February 2021 23: 38
                  -3
                  What is written about the historical reconstruction in Wikipedia is fierce game. What to look for?
                  Toldot is a later mythology. The Talmud is more laconic, there are very few references.
                3. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 23 February 2021 00: 45
                  0
                  OK. I advise you to read the scientific literature on the historicity of Jesus Christ - it is very interesting.
        2. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 22 February 2021 21: 09
          +3
          I read more than you can imagine, and I understand even more than I weigh.


          Read but not there. The world is filled with laiks who think YouTube is replacing formal education and they are the smartest.
          1. ironic
            ironic 22 February 2021 21: 12
            0
            I’m Yutyub in my life, if I crawled, maybe I’m listening to Slepakov's songs, and even then not often. Where necessary, there I read. I also understand Aramaic a little, so I have additional opportunities to verify some data.
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 22 February 2021 21: 21
              +4
              Where necessary, there I read.


              There is a University where it is needed. What is needed to prove it is called "magistracy". It's good that she was in theology.

              And this is exactly what is with me, but not with you. So from my bell tower you do not reach a specialist.

              And I also understand a little in Aramaic,


              It's good. I taught him too. Plus Latin and Ancient Greek.

              Well, good night. Don't try to be an expert in everything. It makes no sense. hi
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 22 February 2021 22: 44
                0
                It's good that she was in theology.

                I knew, I always knew that MA in theology was good and you were happy fellow laughing drinks
              2. Keyser soze
                Keyser soze 23 February 2021 11: 03
                +1
                I knew, I always knew that MA in Theology was good


                laughing Actually, it was interesting ... rummaged in the Septuagint, leafed through the Koran, took a diploma and understood clearly that the Lord concluded his word in Quantum physics and not in this Assyrian-Babylonian nonsense ... laughing I mean, enlightenment has come ...

                it was given to you with joy


                And how else - 6 years with the Qumran scrolls and the girls who were stoned Scriptures of all stripes. So I ran away with shouts of joy to study economics, and after your Aramaic, everything was like a 4th grade textbook to me ... laughing
              3. ironic
                ironic 23 February 2021 13: 58
                0
                Actually, this same nonsense indirectly says that quantum physics is what we are trying to model from the creative in the B-th construction, called - מעשה מרכבה. Once you are familiar with Aramaic, the meaning of this phrase should be clear to you.

                I've been doing this for less than 2 years. But despite the fact that I decided not to continue, I still have a slightly different range of feelings. wink
              4. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 23 February 2021 14: 22
                +3
                laughing well, if there were many girls at the faculty, to whom, knowing the material, you can easily prove that carnal intimacy is the highest manifestation of heavenly love, then you had a good time these years hi
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          3. ironic
            ironic 23 February 2021 13: 47
            -1
            I would understand if you said I graduated from Theological Seminary, graduated from Yeshiva / Colel, graduated from Medrasa, and a university degree in theology ... well, it sounds like knowledge of traffic rules perfectly away from the roads.
  • ironic
    ironic 22 February 2021 17: 50
    -1
    Well, yes, and we, who would have thought there are flaws and flaws and outright blunders. We are also very small. It is not always for us to be completely versatile. Not nationalistic, but national. And the protection policy can be carried out with slobbery? And this is not an oxymoron that a legally created city should be protected from the first day for more than 70 years? The Jews agreed to heavily cut off territories in 48 for the sake of peace, and how did they respond? A war, moreover immediate and with the utmost cruelty. Why would Israel answer less. When was the last time you saw the map? Do you even find Israel on it? This is about the strongly grown territories. Arabs and there will be more dead because they were repeatedly hit in the muzzles and climbed again. Seriously. Israel is not shy about attacking critically endangered enemies around the world. Yes, this is a completely unwanted existence and right. And for those bearded uncles in yupkas who are preparing the means of genocide of the Jewish people, to remove their learned heads from the evil body, this is a commandment. As for the degree of nationalism that you have already mentioned twice, there are more outspoken racists in the comments on one VO forum than I have met in 30 years in Israel. And I have met few people in Israel who hate all Russians in general, compared to how much I have met with generalized hatred of Jews in the Russian Internet.
    1. sevtrash
      sevtrash 23 February 2021 00: 12
      +1
      Quote: ironic
      The Jews agreed to heavily circumcised territories in 48 for the sake of peace, and how did they respond?

      Heavily cut off from what? From which state? Or from performances that you would like to grab?
      Quote: ironic
      When was the last time you saw the map? Do you even find Israel on it? This is about the strongly grown territories.

      ... The sovereign territory of Israel, formed as a result of the 1949 War of Independence and recognized de facto by most countries in the world, is approximately 20 km², of which 770% is water]. The territory to which the sovereignty of Israel was later extended, including East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, is 2 km². The territory currently controlled and occupied by Israel, including the lands administered by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) in the West Bank of the Jordan River, occupied during the Six Day War, is 22 km² ...
      Quote: ironic
      Israel is not shy about attacking critically threatening enemies around the world that threaten the lives of its citizens. Yes, this is a completely unwanted existence and right.

      It's just amazing - "... completely unwanted existence and right ...". Who do you think you are in order to determine whose existence is undesirable? Divinely right nation always and everywhere? With the right to kill anyone, anywhere?
      Quote: ironic
      And I have met few people in Israel who hate all Russians in general, in comparison with how much I have met with generalized hatred of Jews in Runet.

      Normal people do not have an initial hatred of people of any nationality. There are good people everywhere, in Israel, Palestine, Syria, Iran and Russia, imagine, too.
      But if you are looking for this hatred, you will probably find it. On the other hand, if someone considers himself the only nation chosen by God, with the right to kill everyone and everywhere, this will not cause sympathy, to put it mildly. I did not even expect to see this - "... completely undesirable existence and right ...". Not even caveman nationalism, but something worse.
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        1. Iris
          Iris 23 February 2021 16: 47
          +1
          And why wasn’t this inscription washed off the bridge immediately after daybreak, why wasn’t the author found and sent to the country of origin on the same day with coverage of this act in the media?
          1. ironic
            ironic 23 February 2021 17: 06
            -1
            The inscription was first dragged through all the Israeli media, and then, of course, painted over, but not immediately. At first, it was difficult for the municipal authorities to know what was written there in an unfamiliar language and whether it mattered. In Arabic, anti-Israeli inscriptions were always enough here and there. They have long been overgrown with thick skin, but when reprints appeared in the press in Hebrew and the requests of Russian-speaking deputies followed, they began to stir. But it seems they could not find the author.
            By the way, I saved a copy of the photo.
            1. Iris
              Iris 23 February 2021 17: 25
              +1
              In theory, of course, it could have been tourists .. But hardly. In Israel, I saw swastikas on the playground in Bat Yam. It is a pity that they react so awkwardly to this.
              1. ironic
                ironic 23 February 2021 17: 43
                -1
                In this case, it is doubtful.
                In Bat Yam, by the way, this took place from Ukrainian "refugees" who were provided with temporary residence. As practice has shown, some are completely in vain!
                1. Iris
                  Iris 23 February 2021 17: 47
                  +1
                  An excellent excuse to send back from where they "fled", without any delay.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 23 February 2021 18: 19
                    0
                    Yes, it is, but state employees will not eat from this and therefore no one cares.
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 23 February 2021 20: 39
                +1
                Quote: Iris
                In Israel, I saw swastikas on the playground in Bat Yam. It is a pity that they react to this so awkwardly.

                In Ukraine, marches are held with a swastika, presidents reward Bandera who killed Jews. And in Israel, Poroshenko is led to the wailing wall, so that the duplicity of the Israeli authorities towards fascism is obvious. By the way, it is quite possible that the Banderaites leave their symbols in your country too.
                1. Iris
                  Iris 23 February 2021 20: 51
                  0
                  I have no illusions about Ukrainian politicians of any rank. Big politics is generally a dirty business. But, not being an Israeli, I do not consider it correct to comment on the contacts of their leadership with Poroshenko.
                2. ironic
                  ironic 24 February 2021 14: 46
                  0
                  We have full-fledged relations with Ukraine and cannot refuse to accept and maintain political contacts with the head of Mr. Israel under the protocol. At the same time, the Israeli ambassador more than once officially made it clear to the Ukrainian side what official Israel thinks about Stepan Bandera and about the rehabilitation of WWII criminals.
                  There is no doubt that anti-Semites left their symbols in Bat Yam, using humanitarian aid that was not intended for them. The presence of Bandera revanchists among them is quite possible. Moreover, I personally know a case when a girl told another girl at school that she would no longer be friends with her because she found out that her dad was Jewish. Since my mother is not Jewish, she did not know this immediately. I also believe that such applicants for humanitarian aid should be driven from where they came from and as soon as possible.
        2. sevtrash
          sevtrash 23 February 2021 22: 07
          +1
          Quote: ironic
          According to what you wrote, you personally have it, and therefore you do not belong to the normal.

          After what you wrote "... Seriously. Israel does not hesitate to attack enemies around the world in a critical form that threaten the lives of its citizens. Yes, this is a completely unwanted existence and rightly ...", after such a phrase that incites and justifies the murder of dissenters your ideas - you are not a man, like those like you. The SS men would applaud you, I have no doubt.
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 25 February 2021 19: 24
        +1
        "But if you are looking for this hatred, you will probably find it." - A very apt remark. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Regarding "God's chosenness" - this is what periodically in history many "guides of the people" have sinned, but the children of Israel are ahead of the rest of the planet, no doubt. Double standard - it's so sweet! Nevertheless, many thanks to Krasnodar and Ironic for a fascinating theosophical dialogue - very informative. It is also very funny to observe the above attempts, when from the standpoint of Christianity they are trying to challenge the position of the apologists of Israel, in which this very Christianity was produced - a kind of fight between an egg and a chicken, with a predictable result in advance. The position of the modern state of Israel is concentration and bitterness. The first can be envied, the second is a pity. Thoughtful Jews in the States live as the titular nation, while in Israel their less fortunate fellow tribesmen are forced to fend off the "Hagarians" day and night. What is there to be jealous of .. But I just can’t understand what business can be to Ivan before the quarrels between Sarah’s children and Hagar’s children. This is a constantly imposed alien paradigm. as Lieutenant Rzhevsky said, "You love the devil!" Or, on the contrary, do not love - between yourself as you wish. The main thing is not to add to Gog and Magog, Prince of Rosh :). And all the rules will be.
  • Israel
    Israel 22 February 2021 18: 54
    -1
    The author sorted out the topic too superficially and based his analysis on this, which does not correlate much with reality.
  • Old26
    Old26 22 February 2021 19: 04
    +5
    Quote: ee2100
    Iran may host up to 200 launchers at its bases in Iraq

    Inrestno, where did you find 200 medium-range missile launchers near Iran ???

    Quote: ee2100
    in the center of Iraq, and I mentioned the base on the border of Syria and Iraq, and this is 2 times closer than from the proposed location of missiles at bases in Iraq and 3-4 times closer than from the location of launchers in Iran itself.
    Is non-Euclidean geography clear now?

    Actually, from this base to the borders of Israel, about 700-750 km. From Israel to the Iran-Iraq border - about 1000-1100 km. The center of Iran is about 1500 km. So there is simply no "3-4 times closer" or "further". In addition, when deploying missiles in Syria, Iran only needs to use operational-tactical missiles such as Fatah / ZULFIKAR. If you strike from your own territory, then only medium-range missiles. And there are no launchers in the amount of 200 pieces at all.

    Quote: ee2100
    Launchers will be placed underground in tunnels.

    The bulk of launchers for operational-tactical missiles are ground-mobile. Among the MRBMs, there are a number of missiles located in tunnels, but they hardly make up any significant part of such launchers.
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 22 February 2021 20: 42
    +1
    The problem is that Iran has become hostage to its aggressive rhetoric against Israel, and Israel is unable to adequately perceive the threat to security.
    Plus the size of the country: as they say in Iran, Israel is a state of one atomic bomb. Those. to eliminate its statehood, it is enough to hit 1 bomb. And Israel understands that Iran understands this.

    Hence all these tales about Iran about to create an atomic bomb. In fact, a political decision on this topic has not been made in Tehran.

    This is the main reason for the insolubility of the conflict.
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 February 2021 21: 04
      0
      One 10Kt is not enough to destroy, but one is enough to inflict unacceptable damage when entering a large city by our standards.

      With a sufficient amount of 20% enrichment, it is theoretically possible to create quickly if the technology of the warhead and carrier itself is developed. These are not fairy tales.

      We only know what is being done, and everything that is possible is being done. And the decision can be made when there is something. It is quite adequate to perceive it this way.

      The insolubility of the conflict lies in the fact that bearded uncles in skirts do not have relationships with the women they dream of. And what they dream about seems like an outrageous rush to adequate guys in jeans, even for those who are quite liberated. wink
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 22 February 2021 23: 04
        0
        Quote: ironic

        The insolubility of the conflict lies in the fact that bearded uncles in skirts do not have relationships with the women they dream of. And what they dream about seems like an outrageous rush to adequate guys in jeans, even for those who are quite liberated. wink

        laughing good Best comment on the topic)).
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 23: 51
          0
          Thank. I did my best. lol drinks
  • garik77
    garik77 22 February 2021 22: 18
    +3
    In this whole conflict, Iran plays an important role with its interests in creating a Shiite belt in the confrontation with the influence of the Saudi Sunnis.
    The situation is extremely difficult and there is no way out of it yet. At the moment, the interests of Russia, Iran and the Syrians coincided, and what will happen after a while is not at all clear.
    Of course, to some extent we are "friends" with Iran, but the ambitions of the ayatollahs in the confrontation with the Saudis are of no use to us, and sooner or later we will somehow have to get out of this situation.
    Without Iran, Syrians and Jews would have found common ground, if not for peace, then at least for a truce.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 23 February 2021 00: 37
    +2
    And the secret is that the production of missiles, other weapons, guidance systems and other military production is actually located in the suburbs of Damascus.
    Seriously? Why is it there? Or was the Syrian Yuzhmash once built there? Why was it not located in a more protected place, and ready-made products would be transported to Damascus, which would be used to go to the same airfields in Israel.
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 23 February 2021 01: 37
    0
    Quote: Do Ger
    Better still arcade
    hang one medal ...
    Reply

    And who is this "Arkashka"?
    A Zionist will not gouge a Zionist's eyes.
    That is why the Jews are behaving so arrogantly in Syria.
    They openly mock Russia, say that they can even strike at our bases and we will "swallow" it, expressing another "concern".
  • iouris
    iouris 23 February 2021 19: 07
    +1
    The confrontation is one way. RF covers Israel.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 23 February 2021 21: 00
    0
    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: Shahno
    This is how I, in general, do not go into details.

    Well, since everything is in chocolate, then what do you care about Iran's nuclear programs, since you are shouting about them everywhere?

    Politicians shout. Then hatred for a certain way of life (Jewry, Zionism, Soviet Russia, etc.), for a certain period of time, makes one exercise a certain caution. And suddenly, fanatics are not just blah blah ..
  • Outsider
    Outsider 25 February 2021 02: 40
    +2
    Alexander Staver, why write funny and stupid nonsense:
    So, the main enemy for Tel Aviv today is not Syria, but Iran. This is precisely what explains the strikes on humanitarian and military columns moving towards Tehran. The fact is that the supply of goods through Syria is very stressful for the Israelis precisely because it is here that there is a possibility of delivering some components to Iran for the production of nuclear weapons.

    - What the hell, "humanitarian and military convoys towards Tehran"?!
    Have you ever seen a map of Iran? You have to be a complete idiot to carry something through the territory of Syria в Iran! Having a gigantic sea border with ports that no one ever blocks - both in the Caspian - with Russia, and with the whole world - from the Persian Gulf!



    Israel is bombing Iranian convoys with weapons, primarily missiles for Hezbollah in Lebanon and for units of the IRGC in Syria. Israel is bombing Iranian military facilities being built by Iran in Syria aimed at Israel, that's what the Israeli air force is bombing in Syria! There are no humanitarian and military convoys there to the side Iran, there are military convoys of Iran, and they are trying to destroy ...
  • Outsider
    Outsider 25 February 2021 02: 48
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    Well, return these heights to the Syrians, and warn them that if at least one shell arrives from there, then according to the plan of the IDF Chief of Staff Aviv Kohavi, they will be dealt a nuclear strike, since you are not even afraid of Iran. What is the problem of keeping foreign lands, roses do you have enough of your own water?
    I clearly explained to you that the Syrians, like the Azerbaijanis, will not hesitate to return the Golan in any way, especially since these lands have never belonged to Israel.

    - "The Syrians will return the Golan" ?? Let them return at least under their influence the territories where the Kurds are not allowed? This is half of Syria ... laughing lol
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 26 February 2021 21: 44
    +1
    those who have succeeded in everything and always succeed in recent years - the Russian military and special services.


    The negotiations were successful, but ... for some reason, there was no progress by mid-February.


    Didn't it work out? Can not be! smile