Heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" sent for scrapping

The heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" of project 1144 "Orlan" has been sent for scrapping, the cutting of the ship will begin this year, follows from the materials of the portal of state purchases.

According to the documents, the utilization of the cruiser will be carried out at the 30th shipyard. The ship should be installed on the cutting slip by the end of August this year. The contract for the disposal of the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Lazarev with the 30th shipyard was signed by Rosatom. The cost of disposal is estimated at 5 billion rubles, the work should be completed by November 30, 2025.

The conversation about the disposal of Admiral Lazarev has been going on for a long time. The cruiser was withdrawn from the Pacific fleet in 1999, and five years later in Bolshoy Kamen, nuclear power plants were unloaded from it, part of the equipment was removed, after which the ship was mothballed. In 2014, the ship underwent dock repairs in order to maintain buoyancy.

In 2015, it was reported that the ship would be scrapped, since it was morally obsolete and physically worn out, and it was no longer able to wait for a queue to restore technical readiness for several years. At that time, the ship repair enterprises of the Far East were not ready to repair such a large ship, and the transportation of the immobilized cruiser to Severodvinsk was recognized as problematic.

TARKR "Admiral Lazarev" - Project 1144 "Orlan" heavy nuclear missile cruiser. Built at the Baltic Shipyard. Launched on May 26, 1981, entered the Pacific Fleet on October 31, 1984 under the name "Frunze", renamed into "Admiral Lazarev" on April 22, 1994.

Comments

[garri-lin]

Well, what a pity. The ship is excellent. It would be on a concrete foundation, not far from a large city. And make a museum.

[Bashkirkhan]

What are you, he's radioactive. This legacy of the totalitarian past must be disposed of as soon as possible. The modernization of the same type "Admiral Nakhimov" has already gone beyond a reasonable price and terms. On
the beginning of 2020, Nakhimov has mastered 80 lard since the beginning of modernization and this is not the final figure. Plus the cost of energy consumption from the factory, plus water, garbage and other "little things in life" will definitely fit a hundred. Here even doubts arose about the scope of Peter the Great's modernization, they say, Admiral Nakhimov is too expensive, so the scope of work on Peter the Great may be significantly limited.

[Flooding]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

The modernization of the same type "Admiral Nakhimov" has already gone beyond a reasonable price and terms.

How to determine a reasonable cost of upgrading the most powerful missile cruiser in the world?

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Flood

How to determine a reasonable cost of upgrading the most powerful missile cruiser in the world?

What exactly do you mean by "power"?
1) displacement? (I'm not fat, my bone is wide ... )
2) the number of crew?
3) the number of launchers / missiles / torpedoes?
4) range of reconnaissance and target designation systems?
N) insert your ...
Personally, I mean efficiency and, in my opinion, the practice, that ours, that of NATO, that the world has shown that: it is more profitable to have more ships of a smaller mass and equipped with guided missile and torpedo weapons with a large number of aircraft. But the main thing: the eagle is an unsuccessful project because it is a "status ship" and therefore its loss brings economic, political, geopolitical and other problems, which makes it "military-geopolitically unprofitable".

[Flooding]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

What exactly do you mean by "power"?

FIREPOWER
unofficial. term, under to-eye refers to the capabilities of samples (complexes, systems) weapons, dep. types of military equipment (tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, etc.) and formations of the services of the armed forces and combat arms to defeat pr-ku with fire (strikes). O.m. the sample (system, complex) of the weapon is determined by the range of its firing (launch), the combat rate of fire, the power of the ammunition. Indicators O.m. parts, ships, conn. and ed. can serve as damage caused to pr-ku, or their firing capabilities when all fire weapons are used up of the released amount of ammunition (one ammunition), as well as the weight of a salvo of all types of weapons
encyclopedia.mil.ru

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

1) displacement? (I'm not fat, my bone is wide ...)
2) the number of crew?

tell me when the humor starts. to make everyone laugh together

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Very sorry. But specialists and economists know better.

[Artyom Karagodin]

Yes, but I really would like a museum. Maybe when "Peter the Great" becomes obsolete, at least they will keep it?

[ProkletyiPirat]

And what is valuable in it as in a museum? I didn't really serve, I didn't fight, I didn't work out the invested resources, for what and for what purpose should I put it on a pedestal? Here or not at all, or minuscule economic and patriotic benefits. Yes, even if you put it on a pedestal, then an aircraft carrier or SSBN is better.

[Artyom Karagodin]

Argument. Perhaps you are right.

The same "Kuznetsov" is the first Soviet (Russian) ship from which a horizontal take-off and landing aircraft was launched. And this is a major milestone. So, perhaps, it will look more worthy as a museum. Of course, when it is withdrawn from the Navy.

[bayard]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

And what is valuable in it as in a museum? did not really serve, did not fight, did not work out the invested resources,

It is a symbol and personification of the engineering genius of the Soviet / Russian man.
Dig a ditch from the shore, drag it there and fill it up (like with Mikasa in Japan), tidy it up a bit and make an attraction museum with restaurants and other entertainment. It will cost about a billion (but not 5 billion for recycling), will become a tourist attraction, and possibly even make a profit.
Make it a hotel for tourists - themed ...
To lease its premises to travel companies ...
Or just burn ... 5 (FIVE!) Billion rubles just for recycling !!!
There have been no reactors for a long time.
If it is not interesting as an amusement museum, let them just take off whatever they want, take it to the depths and STOP!
So that you do not spend extra money !!!
The Americans do just that by the way - they even sink old aircraft carriers.
Or put on an eternal joke WITH FREE ACCESS TO CITIZENS!
So that children and youth can see what their ancestors could.

Put in Vladivostok or on. Russian - people and tourists will go in bulk.
Or take this handsome man out to sea and flood it.
And give the saved money to the accelerated development of marine engine building.

[Yuri V.A]

The Americans have decided on "Richard's Binom" - a burnt UDC, which is one and a half times larger than Orlan, is disposed of at half the price, for $ 30 million. Obviously, our mark-up, as usual, is higher for conspiracy.

[Andrew P]

I agree with the author! That's exactly a geopolitical project - it's impossible to lose !!!!! All three must be restored !!!

[antivirus]

The yardstick for atomic cruisers and all Moremans was feeding and raising orphans in children's homes. Trample in rubber boats like the Sumerians. Forgotten. Who feeds you. Mehlis is not on you. Tomorrow you will go to clean the snow and take out the garbage to the nearest house and walk with the chickens of the world if you are allowed. Try to look them in the eye. And then all about "70. Atomic, you give 000 pieces. We must crush the United States!"

[Bratkov Oleg]

Those who cannot feed the army have nothing to feed their children with.
However, how do you know such subtleties.

[antivirus]

Go to the baby's home. If you inspire confidence (covid is interfering now) they will give the hand to lead the chickens, so the brains will rule all those who are too hungry. "Give 100500 nuclear missiles and aircraft carriers" more and more from ordinary people to the "academic military" is leaving the majority on the site. Lobbyists of metallurgical oligarchs?

[notingem]

You read the Kamasutras for the night. Now write nonsense

[antivirus]

I hear from a connoisseur. Confused the site? Enlightenment and chakras around the corner are discussing. And go to the child's house. There everyone will call him a dad. Kamasutroved

[DenZ]

Why were you slowed down at the child's home? You read what the Nazis did with the children's homes during the war. And think about why we need missiles and the army.

[Jager]

My dear, before you write posts, you need to eat.

[antivirus]

Aircraft carriers are not built for alcoholics. Them for 10-20t rubles per payment. With a delay of 3 months. They send the snow to clean up. Remember who you supposedly protect. Mercenaries go to French foreign

[antivirus]

As long as Russia drinks it is invincible. That's all the patriotic Moremans. Dryness in the brain ... the level of knowledge itself and the purpose in life

[ermak124.0]

everything in bulk

[silverura]

How to determine a reasonable cost of upgrading the most powerful missile cruiser in the world?

The size of the thickness of the intestines!
In the USSR, they were thicker)

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

What are you, he's radioactive

Why suddenly? Was there a reactor leak?

Quote: Bashkirkhan

The modernization of the same type "Admiral Nakhimov" has already gone beyond a reasonable price and terms.

educate on the price .... I really do not know how much it cost the treasury to modernize

[Runway]

Black humor.
If it had not been for the AEU, the Yuzhkors would have gone under the pile driver after Novorossiysk / Minsk.

[New Year day]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

The modernization of the same type "Admiral Nakhimov" has already gone beyond a reasonable price and terms. On
the beginning of 2020, Nakhimov has mastered 80 lard from the beginning of modernization and this is not the final figure

and how much was stolen? It is clear that this is an expensive business, but is there any alternative? When will such a ship be built?

[Observer2014]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Bashkirkhan

The modernization of the same type "Admiral Nakhimov" has already gone beyond a reasonable price and terms. On
the beginning of 2020, Nakhimov has mastered 80 lard from the beginning of modernization and this is not the final figure

and how much was stolen? It is clear that this is an expensive business, but is there any alternative? When will such a ship be built?

Apparently, this size has never. In any case, not in our lifetime for sure. He's like his Lord. "Leader" advertised for years at least began. What is there to talk about such a class of ship.
It is a pity. It's frankly a pity. That for so many years the ship had not found the means to restore, modernize, and put it into operation. See you in the form of consumer goods from China. Shard of the Great Country.

[Lesorub]

Quote: Observer2014

Apparently this size has never been, at least not during our lifetime.

From the Union got a powerful asset - which they could not really preserve - this information is very hard to perceive - After all, you can save and Upgrade - and we have ONLY one such cruiser from the series in service !!! Eagles, 941 Sharks, destroyers of the 956 series, etc. are disappearing into oblivion.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Lesorub

Quote: Observer2014

Apparently this size has never been, at least not during our lifetime.

From the Union got a powerful asset - which they could not really preserve - this information is very hard to perceive - After all, you can save and Upgrade - and we have ONLY one such cruiser from the series in service !!! Eagles, 941 Sharks, destroyers of the 956 series, etc. are disappearing into oblivion.

I would not blink an eye. If it were not for the "Orlan" These are the ships that the fleet really needs. This is an alloy of firepower. And the efficiency of tactical application. Compare the "Orlan" and "Admiral Kuznetsov" for example. In terms of price, the quality of combat use ..... Yes, it's simply impossible to compare. Who does not know. Remember the Syrian campaign of the latter. And you will understand everything.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Silvestr

and how much was stolen?

well, you know exactly that !!!!!!

[New Year day]

Quote: NEOZ

well, you know exactly that !!!!!!

Any doubts?

[Observer2014]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: NEOZ

well, you know exactly that !!!!!!

Any doubts?

And they have no doubts about anything at all. As a "hand-leading" party, they will say. So it should be. Speak black, white.
Greetings "Sylvester"

[NEOZ]

Quote: Observer2014

Speak black, white.

Did it ever occur to you that you might be color blind?

[NEOZ]

Quote: Silvestr

Any doubts?

about you in general, only doubts!
you are a secret admirer of the new one .....

[Richard]

Quote: Silvestr
When will such a ship be built?

It was not a steamer, Sylvester, but a nuclear cruiser.
Do you understand the difference?

[New Year day]

Quote: Richard

It was not a steamer, Sylvester, but a nuclear cruiser.

And we always called our BDK a steamer in the 80s

[Nasrat]

a nuclear cruiser is a steamer ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Richard

It was not a steamer, Sylvester, but a nuclear cruiser.

И

Quote: Nasr

a nuclear cruiser is a steamer ...

?
But NasRat is right, boilers!

[Nasrat]

Quote: Silvestr

and how much was stolen? When will such a ship be built?

Was such a ship needed? I ate money not measuredly, both during the construction process and in the process of standing in the roadstead ... and the same "Moskva" (Slava) at that time (cruiser) wound around the world until it was completely worn out - served the Motherland .. - there is something to think about .. .. The Japs Yamato, the Germans have Bismarck, we have TARKs .. Symbolism is expensive, but it costs little!

[Jager]

Yes Yes. American "Iowa" is not symbolism? I am generally silent about their aircraft carriers.

[ironic]

Kirov is radioactive.

[tralflot1832]

Correct. Kirov has always stood on the main roadstead of Severomorsk. Lazzarev has sucked much earlier than Kirov. If he had problems with radiation, we would have known about it in Murmansk. It was rumored that Lazarev had problems with the primary circuit and not with the reactor. Northern Fleet base and a radioactive ship in the roadstead or at the pier. Have you heard anything about the evacuation of Severomorsk, I have not.

[tralflot1832]

The demon beguiled. Of course, Kalinin, not Lazarev. Sorry.

[ironic]

Such information passed through the network that an accident took place and Kirov was infected, so there was no question of either operation or modernization for him right away. If this is misinformation, I will consider it.

[tralflot1832]

Desa 202%. I walked past them, never when I saw no one on the decks and berths in the OZK. All the time they stood at the berths of Severomorsk. Kirov sometimes in the roads.

[Non-fighter]

Yes, there was a power plant accident I wrote in more detail below.

[Piramidon]

Quote: tralflot1832

Correct. Kirov always stood on the main roadstead of Severomorsk.

In the 70s - 80s there "Kiev" flaunted.

[tralflot1832]

If you look at your photo of Kiev, I passed on the port side to the exit from the bay or to the entrance. The Severomorsk reid was determined by the smell of diesel fuel. The military did not squeeze the bilge water overboard. At least refuel. I still remember the cruiser Murmansk against Belokamenka.

[Bear]

I remember too. But on the roadstead "Kiev" was on the left and right side. It was an impressive sight when the training flights were made. The yaks hovered over the stern and you could see how the water was parting under the pressure of the jet stream, myriads of spray billowing around, and what a roar stood while the plane moved towards the deck and did not land. I remembered it all my life.
And "Kirov" was standing at the pier, I do not remember its number, to the right of the monument, for it they deepened the parking lot with a dredger.
And of course, the handsome "Murmansk" in the roadstead, to the left of the "Kiev".

[businessv]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

At the beginning of 2020, Nakhimov has mastered 80 lard since the beginning of modernization, and this is not the final figure.

Well, not Nakhimov, but bureaucrats - this is the first, and the second - where could you put more than a billion dollars, given that this is not construction, but repairs? The cost of one newest frigate of Project 22350 will range from 420 to 450 million dollars, judging by the statements of the shipbuilders. Maybe it would be worth cutting down a couple of frigates instead of repairing the "Admiral Nakhimov"?

[tralflot1832]

The entire interior needs to be redone, the ship consists of 70% of pipelines and cable routes. Cable routes are very different from wiring in the house. I was always surprised by the final results of specialists in cable routes in shipbuilding. The difference in laying onshore and offshore, like heaven and earth.

[businessv]

Quote: tralflot1832

The difference is in the laying of coastal and marine, like heaven and earth.

This is just understandable, I do not understand the advisability of repair in this case. The choice is between the outdated TARK and the two newest frigates. I am far from the nautical theme, so I am thinking in an amateurish way.

[tralflot1832]

Peter alone is somehow not very Alone at sea alone at the service, and vice versa. But one will always be at sea. Something like this.

[businessv]

Quote: tralflot1832

But one will always be at sea.

And in terms of efficiency, one TARK is inferior to two frigates, or is the number of weapons at about the same level, etc.?

[sustav75]

ABOUT! How many cons! Edros promised to throw a pension! The "patriots" began to stir

[Borsht]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Nakhimov has mastered 80 lard from the beginning of modernization and this is not the final figure

They spent 50 times more on sports games in Sochi. After the Olympics, do you feel as if the power of your Motherland has grown not by 50, but at least by plus ten Nakhimovs or twenty Boreyevs? Me not.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

Your comment is similar to the fact that you are from Kiev!

[Finches]

Ships are born, live and die ... Almost like people! Perhaps, if Russia had money in the 90s, it would still serve the country, but it turned out how it happened! Glory to the TARKR "Frunze" - "Admiral Lazarev"!

[garri-lin]

5 billion for recycling. It’s interesting that you can tow it to the Crimea for this money. There will be a monument to itself. A teenager is such a whopper to see this experience for his whole life. It is quite fashionable to postpone the death of the ship.

[carstorm 11]

Where will you put this mammoth?) Well, what would at least someone go to the museum?) Oh, how few, if any, such places.

[garri-lin]

If you really fantasize in full, then tow it to the Crimea. Place not far from the fleet base. 5 billion is a lot of money. I think you can tow it to Crimea for this amount.

[Gardamir]

if Russia had money in the 90s,

Money for renaming was found immediately after the coup

April 22, 1992 TARKR "Frunze" was renamed to "Admiral Lazarev".

[Gardamir]

Judging by the number of minuses, there are many hidden Yeltsinists on the site. Or maybe someone is grateful to Yeltsin, Gaidar and those involved for the destruction of the Union.

[dust31]

Lazarev sounds differently better, this is your hryunze. Not to mention personalities.

[Evgeny Kirov]

I am thankful. Otherwise, we would still be living in a stinking stall called the USSR. And they would draw up a description for a trip to Bulgaria at the party committee.

[Borsht]

Quote: Evgeny Kirov

for a trip to Bulgaria.

I support! A person who has the opportunity to fly to Kamchatka or Lake Baikal, but wants to Bulgaria, must either be treated, or throw this idiot out of the country, ripping off everything that was spent on the idiot. In the Union, they were embarrassed to let out sick freaks on their heads, so that they would not think that we are all like that. ))

[Rostovchanin]

It's a pity that is putting it mildly. the Americans still support Iowa, which were still under construction in the 40s ... and here the ship is less than 40 ...

[Aerodrome]

the short life of the ship came out ... sorry. Service
She entered service with the Pacific Fleet on October 31, 1984.

From August 21 to November 22, 1985, he made the transition from Severomorsk to Vladivostok, making business calls to Luanda (Angola), Aden (South Yemen) and to the ports of Vietnam.

Until September 1987, the ship's commander was Captain 1st Rank Evgeny G. Zdesenko. He was greatly respected by both the military leadership and the command of personnel [source not specified 3129 days]. At the time of the transfer of E.G. Zdesenko and his departure from the ship, despite the prohibition of the new command, all existing sound devices were activated, as well as most of the mechanically rotating antennas. All conscripts went to the port side and said goodbye to their commander.

The new commander of the ship was Captain 1st Rank M. Shcherbakov.

April 22, 1992 TARKR "Frunze" was renamed to "Admiral Lazarev".

In the 1990s, the ship was incapable of combat, as a result of which it was mothballed and withdrawn from the fleet's combat strength, leaving it in storage in the Abrek Bay.

In 1999, due to the lack of funds for repairs, it was prepared for disposal.

Vika...

[Richard]

Thank you, Aerodromny, for remembering the name of this glorious man.

Unfortunately, he is no longer with us ....... The ship did not outlive its commander much.
From the site of the Civil Code of the Navy on November 15, 2020

[pmkemcity]

When I came to TOVVMU, different stories were circulated about him and about "Frunze". Some of those who were aiming to be deputies crossed the road, but the admiral was never given ... as well as the head of the school.

[VORON538]

The same Americans paid our government in the 90s a lot of money to destroy missiles, planes, ships. And they had all such a good fight, soft and fluffy, but with his departure, something in the plans of the Naglo-Saxons went wrong and again they are trying to Russia gnaw at sanctions.

[tralflot1832]

Let's say thank you for leaving Lenin. Such monuments have all my problem in the reactor.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: garri-lin

... It would be on a concrete foundation, not far from a large city. And make a museum.

At whose expense?
Do you think it would be cheaper than recycling?

[garri-lin]

It would be more expensive than recycling. But it would make sense. There will be no more ships like the Eagles. Outwardly they are the quintessence of the Force !!! It would be a sin to miss the opportunity to leave descendants a similar reminder of the past greatness. The museum could be excellent. The contribution to the patriotic education of children that such a museum can make is difficult to assess. And it is a sin to underestimate.

[TerraSandera]

You understand that it was built by a great country, the memory of which is now partially trying to erase, using only the patriotic part for their own purposes. In our time, they build completely different ships. From the point of view of the layman, it would be cool to leave, open a museum. And for those who make such decisions, this is unacceptable. That is why the historical name was erased immediately after the death of that country and the birth of a new system in the state. Watch modern "patriotic" films and compare with Soviet ones.

[garri-lin]

I don't even remember when I saw the last patriotic film.

[Non-fighter]

Yes. And the same country ditched him.

[RUSS]

Quote: garri-lin

Well, what a pity. The ship is excellent. It would be on a concrete foundation, not far from a large city. And make a museum.

What can you get from the museum? And with the disposal of gesheft!

[garri-lin]

If at least a dozen boys who have visited such a museum in a year decide to link their fate with the sea, then the result will already be.

[RUSS]

Quote: garri-lin

If at least a dozen boys who have visited such a museum in a year decide to link their fate with the sea, then the result will already be.

Unfortunately, the boys are more and more in bloggers and IT specialists ...

[garri-lin]

That is precisely why it is necessary to be more closely engaged in multilateral education. Patriotic. Athletic patriotic. Distract children from screens. A good trip to the museum is an experience of a lifetime. And to walk around such a giant is also telling stories to friends for a week.

[RUSS]

Quote: garri-lin

That is precisely why it is necessary to be more closely engaged in multilateral education. Patriotic

Now there is Yunaria and other children's organizations.

[garri-lin]

So what? Do photographs show them their former greatness? Or listen to stories? A properly organized excursion to the museum is a huge mass of impressions. And frankly, there are few military museums. 30 years ago I was on Aurora and until now I remember the models of warships in glass showcases displayed in the interior. And from Orlan, you can make a museum unique in its capabilities. There are many places.

[TerraSandera]

Well, such a whopper is far from being pulled. Imagine how modern frigates with corvettes will look against its background.

[garri-lin]

Gulliver's Adventures? Or something close. It will look very modest.

[Alien From]

This project is the quintessence of scientific and technical thought. Bows to everyone involved in the production of this ship!

[DrEng527]

Quote: Alien From

This project is the quintessence of scientific and technical thought.

Error - it was better to continue the 1164 series, with the money spent it was quite possible to build 7-8 pieces ... and taking into account this unfinished atomic reconnaissance officer, so 11-12 ... And the pair 1164 is noticeably better than the eagle, both in terms of combat performance, and in terms of service and economic ...

[ccsr]

Quote: DrEng527

and taking into account this unfinished atomic reconnaissance, and 11-12 ...

Take it easy about the "unfinished atomic reconnaissance", because in this example the stupidity of the naval ones is clearly visible - they ditched the "Ural" and this is obvious to any honest specialist. Moreover, it was entered into the fleet later than this cruiser, and was withdrawn almost simultaneously. Only "Ural" was butchered ten years ago, and this rubbish was kept afloat all this time and money was spent on its maintenance. So have a conscience "naval commanders" when you pour crap on "Ural" - he did not deserve it, unlike those who ditched him.

In 2001, the ship, which had gone on only one military campaign, was finally written off and put on a dock at a distant pier. Near him, too, was in a trickle of a fellow unfortunate - missile cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" (former "Frunze", one of the four atomic missile attack cruisers of Project 1144 "Orlan"; the only cruiser of project 1144 "Peter the Great" that remained in service is now the flagship Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy)
In April 2008, a tender was held for the disposal of the ship and its nuclear power plant.
Disposal of the ship is carried out (2010) at the Zvezda DVZ.

https://masterok-livejournal-com.turbopages.org/masterok.livejournal.com/s/1545315.html

[DrEng527]

Quote: ccsr

the stupidity of the naval is visible - they ditched the "Ural"

this naval bank provided him?

Quote: ccsr

, when you pour shit on "Ural" - it does not deserve it, unlike those who ditched it.

spent big money on stupidity ...

[ccsr]

Quote: DrEng527

this naval bank provided him?

And that the roll greatly interfered with his seaworthiness, especially considering the fact that he would have stood still in positions? Somehow I would have spanked the shores of the United States to conduct reconnaissance around the clock for six months.

Quote: DrEng527

spent big money on stupidity ...

If we compare “Ural” with “Lazirev”, then it was 5-7 times cheaper than it, so there is no need to talk about what you do not know. And "Ural" is still in demand, although the naval ones do not recognize this. Cruisers of the "Lazarev" type generally go into oblivion, as battleships used to leave our fleet - they are no longer needed, if only due to the high cost of their maintenance and inefficiency for modern conditions. And they will come back to Ural ...

[DrEng527]

Quote: ccsr

And that the roll greatly interfered with his seaworthiness,

this speaks of the degree of professionalism of the creators of this disgrace, which was not needed by the fleet - the usual drank money by the industry, as was customary in the late USSR ...

Quote: ccsr

And "Ural" is still in demand, although the naval ones do not recognize this.

as of course you know better what the navy needs ... This is the main misfortune of our industry - to do not what should be done, but what they consider necessary ...

Quote: ccsr

How did battleships leave our fleet earlier?

LK at least shot at the Germans in the Second World War ...

Quote: ccsr

high cost of their maintenance and inefficiency

was it not clear even before their development?

Quote: ccsr

And they will still return to Ural ..

no, this is the technical nonsense of the late USSR, from the same absurdity as Project 941 or a shelter for the nuclear submarine ...

[Stepan S]

And how do you imagine it? On a concrete foundation near the city?

[RUSS]

Quote: Stepan S

And how do you imagine it? On a concrete foundation near the city?

Now there is a discussion about the return of the Dzerzhinsky monument to the Lubyanka, here to the Lubyanka and put the ship on a pedestal))))

[VORON538]

No, it is necessary to return the monument to Dzerzhinsky in the same form as it was before the collapse of the USSR, and let the liberals choke on their screeching!

[RUSS]

Quote: VORON538

No, it is necessary to return the monument to Dzerzhinsky in the same form as it was before the collapse of the USSR, and let the liberals choke on their screeching!

There will be a vote, the choice will be between: Dzerzhinsky, Ivan III, Alexander Nevsky, Andropov.

[Overlock]

Quote: VORON538

it is necessary to return the monument to Dzerzhinsky in the same form as it was before the collapse of the USSR

and what is the relation of the KGB and the FSB to Dzerzhinsky?
The first ones, they all screwed up, the second ones, they ride on Geliki, but they guard the banks

[Marconi41]

Quote: Overlock

and what is the relation of the KGB and the FSB to Dzerzhinsky?

The most direct. The KGB (FSB) withdrew from the Cheka, which Dzerzhinsky personally founded.

[Overlock]

Quote: Marconi41

The most direct. The KGB (FSB) withdrew from the Cheka, which Dzerzhinsky personally founded.

this is in theory. In the life of the Cheka there were "clean hands ...", and these?

[Marconi41]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: Marconi41

The most direct. The KGB (FSB) withdrew from the Cheka, which Dzerzhinsky personally founded.

this is in theory. In the life of the Cheka there were "clean hands ...", and these?

Thanks to "this" in Russia houses have not been blown up for a long time, they do not take hostages, and bearded slippers find their place in bushes with hurias. Well, the family is not without monsters and it is not good to judge the whole service by them.

[garri-lin]

To form a foundation near the resort town, in shallow waters, in the sea. The hull of the ship is in a rather poor condition. It will be difficult to keep afloat. But you can put your belly on concrete.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: garri-lin

Well, what a pity. The ship is excellent.

But unhappy. Only 10 years of service and almost 30 years of standing.
And why was it renamed? Frunze was a good name.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: tihonmarine

Frunze was a good name.

Frunze was a Soviet military leader, and in 1991-1993 an anti-Soviet coup took place in the country.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Jacket in stock

In 1991-1993, an anti-Soviet coup took place in the country.

Brilliantly carried out by the Komsomol

[RUSS]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote: tihonmarine

Frunze was a good name.

Frunze was a Soviet military leader, and in 1991-1993 an anti-Soviet coup took place in the country.

The Combined Arms Academy of the Armed Forces of Russia returned the name of Frunze. Operational division named after Dzherzhinsky was also given back its name.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Frunze was a Soviet military leader, and in 1991-1993 an anti-Soviet coup took place in the country.

If Frunze is a thorn in one place for them, then what to say about the leaders of the party and government of the USSR.

[garri-lin]

There is nothing more senseless and sadder than a warrior without service.

[smart ass]

When Nakhimov is in operation for me it will be a holiday comparable to the Victory Day

[ermak124.0]

It's a pity for him without any, as it were.

[FIR FIR]

Quote: garri-lin

It would be on a concrete foundation,

If only wisely ... yes, the main ship of the strike group .............

[garri-lin]

It's cheaper to build a full-fledged destroyer. Here the ship has real problems with everything. Only the corps, in fact, remained. And that one full of holes. Restore in combat oh how expensive it will be. Google the budget for Nakhimov. It will be greatly needed here.

[FIR FIR]

Quote: garri-lin

It's cheaper to build a full-fledged destroyer

Of course cheaper. Only not in our country ...............

Quote: garri-lin

Only the corps, in fact, remained. And that one full of holes.

Come on? (sarcasm). It was necessary to wait another 30 years until birches began to grow through it ...

[garri-lin]

Birch trees from the bottom of the sea?

[FIR FIR]

sarcasm. metaphor. sadness. resentment for the power

[garri-lin]

Sadness. Resentment. Although on the other hand at that time it could not be otherwise. By 91, the country was driven into an economic corner. There was no exit. It was the Kolos with feet of clay that turned out. The country did not have the money to support the fighting efficiency of such handsome men.

[Seal]

A ship of this size, pulled out of the water, does not look very good, to put it mildly. Tea, not a torpedo boat !!! And what kind of concrete foundation is needed ??? And how to drag such a colossus to "not far from a large city" ??? Yes, they will make an estimate for billions ... and still will not drag it.

[garri-lin]

Why pull out. Leave in water. Not afloat, but on a concrete base. 5 billion for recycling. Count the money thrown away. Which can be applied much smarter.

[pmkemcity]

Twice in August 1991 I approached its gangway, I needed the head of the personnel department of 10 OPESK, and both times I could not get on board. The first time was loading ammunition for the AK-130, and the second time he went down to meet me. There was a vacancy, but I didn't like it in Tihasa, or rather delivery to Tihasa on a packed bus from Nakhodka. They offered "Discreet" in Vladik, and I agreed.

[IL-18]

Quote: garri-lin

museum do

And that the museum went 10 times, and the OZK with a gas mask to put on within the standard is EASY. Although, on the excursion, it is possible without anti-radiation kits for the following categories of visitors: NATO servicemen, Bandera people, bulkheads, with Khodorkyats and lovers of Russian military power.

[Serg65]

Heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" of project 1144 "Orlan" sent for scrapping

Thank you for your service!

[Richard]

Sorry ...
That's how handsome he was

in 1989 it is already under No. 028

[New Year day]

out of 4 left 2

[Ingvar 72]

That's all the achievements, in the best traditions of EBN, which was at the helm for only 9 years.

[VORON538]

And 9 years was enough, in some industries the consequences are irreversible, but when they say, they say, Stalin was able ... yes, he could, Soviet society could, and is modern Russian society ready to work as hard as Soviet people after the war? For the most part, probably not.
Thank heavens for cleaning up the fight!

[silverura]

Thank heavens for cleaning up the fight

Borka has been out of business for more than 20 years! The guilty ones can be spied in the mirror!

[ermak124.0]

He's a bastard and a podzabornaya drunk

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: ermak124.0

He's a bastard and a podzabornaya drunk

Some who disagree with you, annually laying flowers on the grave of EBN.

[Alex_You]

Xs what they say in this case. Rest in peace. A beautiful ship, served only about 10 years, could be a museum.

[A1845]

Not enough needles?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It is a pity, it would be necessary to take the risk and drag him to Severodvinsk.

Although this is also a controversial moment, its repair and modernization would divert resources that would go to the construction of destroyers of project 22350M and would postpone the construction of a new generation of nuclear cruisers of project 23560 even further.

And so we will have two prototypes of Project 23560 - the cruisers Nakhimov and Peter the Great, they will work everything on them, gain experience and lay Project 23560 in the optimal form.

[Shkodnik65]

I am not in the subject about the ships of the Navy. Explain, who knows the essence of the question, 40 years for a ship of this class is a lot or a little? It's just that if the price of the issue for disassembling is 5 lard, then how much does it cost to build such a ship. And for that kind of money, 40 years is probably not enough, or not?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Shkodnik65

Explain, who knows the essence of the question, 40 years for a ship of this class is a lot or a little?

It all depends on the operation. In principle, it can last 60 years, but only with proper maintenance, but here everything seems to be rusted, so nothing can be done

[Vladimir1155]

he served only 6 years, an expensive and burdensome toy, ... but all early pink ponies dream of new superlinkrroemen with nuclear engines and astronomical cost ... at our expense, of course, and by reducing programs for weapons that are really needed nuclear submarines, aviation missiles, etc.

[Usher]

Quote: vladimir1155

he served only 6 years, an expensive and burdensome toy, ... but all early pink ponies dream of new superlinkrroemen with nuclear engines and astronomical cost ... at our expense, of course, and by reducing programs for weapons that are really needed nuclear submarines, aviation missiles, etc.

at your expense?

[Vladimir1155]

through taxes

[Usher]

Quote: vladimir1155

through taxes

Well, it's not your account then.

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Shkodnik65

I am not in the subject about the ships of the Navy. Explain, who knows the essence of the question, 40 years for a ship of this class is a lot or a little? It's just that if the price of the issue for disassembling is 5 lard, then how much does it cost to build such a ship. And for that kind of money, 40 years is probably not enough, or not?

He served 10 years in total, 30 years in service

[2 Level Advisor]

It's a pity the ship, but will 5 billion really pay off with needles? Maybe it’s easier then to remove the reactor zone and make it a monument, no - so the reef or something else .. and in general why do you have to pay more? It seems to me that "metalworkers" would have cut them free for six months ..

[garri-lin]

The reactor was removed there long ago. As is most of the filling.

[d4rkmesa]

This story should nevertheless make one wonder whether nuclear destroyers are needed.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: d4rkmesa

This story should nevertheless make one wonder whether nuclear destroyers are needed.

right! why nuclear destroyers? if there is no desire to restore the cruiser, and there are no minesweepers either

[Yuriy71]

Managers for the collapse of the country Do their job regularly!

[ironic]

Rational decision.

[mark1]

Well, a terrible end is better than an endless horror.

[GAndr]

Sadly, such ships would have made excellent arsenal-ships ... Eeeh, they throw themselves away with things that we won't have for a very long time, if at all. What prevented you from modernizing it?

[Leon68]

The condition of its body and the cost of modernization

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

It is extremely regrettable ... and, in my extremely subjective opinion, this is worse than a crime, this is not even a mistake, this is a deliberate malicious action in the interests of our foreign partners and to the detriment of the interests of the defense capability of our Motherland.

This is direct, blatant sabotage ...

[vdowin.sergei2012]

I completely agree with you.

[vdowin.sergei2012]

It's a shame, the country and the people are being milked by oligarchs, but there is no money to restore the beauty and pride of our fleet!

[Vladimir1155]

the results of the failed results of the failed construction strategy of Gorshkov and the wunderwolf, the spherical horses in a vacuum for the dreamy pink ponies = super big monsters, they all served only a few years, and went ingloriously to suck, they wanted to cut Nakhimov too, but I managed to convince, but they sawed it so much dough that Lazarev was sentenced, Petya most likely shines only VTG, But at least they will be useful for the PLO of the coastal zone, The problem of the uselessness and astronomical price of Kuzi is solved only by selling him, there are no tasks for him and there is no military outpost, well, not on his pins cut a pity.

[RUSLAN]

Didn't you hurry to dispose of it? Still, Peter the Great needs to be modernized! Something can be removed for spare parts from Lazarev ...

[wlkw]

Would sell to the Chinese.

[donavi49]

The Chinese don't need it for nothing. They have 112 missile destroyers like cakes - the same type, Chinese, serial.

[Jacket in stock]

At one time they dumped a bunch of folk denyuzheks into it (then everything was still common, really folk), in the end I lived for 6 years. Therefore, there were no real tasks, why it would be needed. And he did not contribute to defense in any way. But about 5 BODs, which could be built instead of him, would still live and perform combat missions.
And all from indistinct goal-setting.
All business must begin with the question "why".

[silverura]

But about 5 BODs, which could be built instead of him, would still live and perform combat missions.

I continue your prose.
Another 10 years come:
- "And here are 5 coastal boats, which could be built instead of 1 BOD, still ..... blah blah"
This is all complacency, a call of the soul and real possibilities. Why do you need a "jacket" when a sports jacket is normal and cheaper

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: silverura

... Why do you need a "jacket" when a sports jacket is normal and cheaper

And by the way, yes.
You are right.
I already forgot my jacket when I last put it on.
And as for the boats instead of the BOD, I hope we will not live to see this.

[Sancho_SP]

I just don't understand what, there is only 100 million worth of black scrap, and will they also pay five billion to the one who will hand over this scrap?

[askort154]

The cost of disposal is estimated at 5 billion rubles, the work should be completed by November 30, 2025.

Crazy money ! It is easier to give him into the arms of "vtorchermet" for free, they will take him away in half a year.

[Sasha from Uralmash]

Deripaska's yacht - "Selenga" 50m.1yard $? Here's a question for connoisseurs?

[Avior]

... entered the Pacific Fleet on October 31, 1984 under the name "Frunze", renamed "Admiral Lazarev" on April 22, 1994.

Decommunization, however
It's a pity such a grandiose Ship: ((((

[trophy]

Break not build. You don't need a lot of intelligence.

[ermak124.0]

Goodbye Orlan

[certero]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

in my opinion, the practice, which is ours, that of NATO, that the world has shown that: it is more profitable to have more ships of a smaller mass and equipped with guided missile-torpedo weapons with a large number

Nothing like this. Small ships wear out quickly and, as a platform for weapons, are more expensive per unit of the same missile.

[yehat2]

in addition, there are more problems with autonomy and seaworthiness, it is more difficult for the crew to make full-fledged conditions. For example, the British even had their own printing house on each battle cruiser. And what can you expect on a RTO or a frigate? A minimum of living conditions.

[senima56]

In truth: "To break - not to build!"

[silverura]

Heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" sent for scrapping

Who lost the bet there yesterday, by cash on delivery or numbers? If there were no misfortune, it would help happiness. Hetman Sagaidachny, all the same he is calling the senior partner! Oh, the USSR, everyone is exhausted ...

[Alexander X]

I always feel sorry for such ships. Gromada, a representative of the era ... And his goodies ...

[silverura]

I always feel sorry for such ships

Will still be good for "World of Ship".

[yehat2]

in fact, I thought the Soviet navy was much weaker. I didn’t know at all that there were such huge cruisers, I didn’t know that we have a lot of destroyers and BODs.
I thought that there is a type of Moscow 2 pieces, a couple of strange aircraft carriers and a bunch of MRKs and submarines, but it looks like Mikhalych plus quite a lot of all sorts of auxiliary vessels. We could quite have wrestled with 2-3 AUG at once.

[Andy]

Quote: yehat2

type moscow 2 pieces

Moscow, Varyag, Ustinov + Ukraine (unfinished)

[vdowin.sergei2012]

a shame!!!!!
it needs to be repaired and modernized like Nakhimov, what a shame for our country !!!

[fa2998]

Quote: garri-lin

5 billion for recycling.

Would give it to our "metalworkers" - they would cut it up and take it out for free. Here they go to the client, cut heavy metal, and even pay the owner. I know many ships are SOLD for metal, we have the opposite.
RS: Nuclear, I see, but they cut out the reactor and voila!

Р

[garri-lin]

There were only 4 such ships in the whole world. And there will never be more. They are not allowed for metalists. They need to be preserved. As a monument to a different, more developed civilization. They are huge. They are handsome. They are the legacy of the era of gigantomania. For the former USSR, they are almost like pyramids for Egypt. They must be preserved and shown to subsequent generations. Like Tsarpushka.

[silverura]

They are the legacy of the era of gigantomania. For the former USSR, they are almost like pyramids for Egypt.

Hush hush!
No witnesses of a once more developed civilization are needed ... Everything is economically inexpedient, not profitable. You do not understand anything about economics and new historical thinking.

[garri-lin]

Someone does not need it. But there are still people who need it.

[Adimius38]

Exhausted. Brought the ship to a state of utility

[certero]

Quote: yehat2

in fact, I thought the Soviet navy was much weaker.

In fact, in terms of tonnage, we even caught up and surpassed the Americans at some point.

[faiver]

The founder of the Kirov series is still standing at the pier in the north, and Lazarev is scrapped, it is very regrettable and very sorry, I would rather see Lazarev in service than, for example, the bridge in Vladik to the Russky Island ...

[Koval Sergey]

The contract for the disposal of the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Lazarev with the 30th shipyard was signed by Rosatom. The disposal cost is estimated at 5 billion rubles.

It was necessary to shake off the "partners" - they used to give money for disarmament.

[dgonni]

Well, how would you still need to make piers and harnesses for ships of the first rank! For at the Pacific Fleet, all ships of this rank produced energy before the hull!
What is Minsk. What everyone else!
Nobody remembers the breakdowns from the barrels already?
And launching the main boilers in 15-20 minutes is bullshit? And get the pipes after that? And start the bundles and, most importantly, knock out the burnt ones?
Will there be no pier for such ships? Nefig what a thread to send there!

[Dikson]

And on the Northern Fleet Thu, is it better roofing felts? Kuznetsov burned his boilers, hanging out all the way in the roadstead.

[bk0010]

It's a pity, a pity. We will not have a third 1144, we could not save.

[Esaul]

Powerful ship! Instead, you need to build two new ones of the same!

[Dikson]

In general .. - this is all The collapse of the USSR haunted .. There was no time to follow the fleet .. and now there is no time .. Especially at the Pacific Fleet .. - the presidents do not go there to take parades ... The fleet was destroyed ... construction of analogues - no .. Well, there is no infrastructure for the maintenance of such ships ..! Was it impossible to build a pier with communications in 30 years? So we will fight on crew boats and river punt .. And it is better not to remember about trips to the Pacific Ocean ..

[Anton Shtopany]

Finally, it's high time, the process is on fire

[Baron pardus]

"Stupid" Americans put old aircraft carriers and other ships up in big cities and tourists bring them there - everything brings MONEY and teaches young people to patriotism. Russians prefer to saw a ship (together with the state budget), and "sawing" a ship costs almost as much as the ship itself. Goonies - admirals, go to Odessa, find two old men who, on the one hand, and the Odessa Shipping Company, on the other hand, have undertaken to paint the ship. Let them teach you commerce.

[Evgeny Kirov]

Soviet trash. It's high time to cut it on needles.

[Redfox3k]

Himself - non-Soviet trash.

[Redfox3k]

If disposed of, then SELL for normal money as scrap metal, money - в budget, metal is not cheap now - there will be those willing, but PAY of budget for the disposal of 5 billion. rubles ... is it the height of marasmus or non-marasmus? Or a deliberate withdrawal of money from the budget.

[Pavel73]

In modern warfare, with modern high-precision, and even more so nuclear weapons, such ships are useless. Just like battleships, a little later - aircraft carriers. It is more profitable to disperse powerful strike, anti-aircraft and anti-submarine weapons on a large number of ships of smaller displacement - destroyers, frigates, and corvettes. They are much more difficult to track down and cover with one blow. Giants are powerful, beautiful, but alas, vulnerable precisely because of their size. They can be seen far away. You can hear them well. They are easier to aim and hit. They are also extremely expensive. In modern warfare, they will be the first victims. That will deal a serious psychological blow to the rest of the army and navy.

[Kwas]

Sorry, nonsense. For conventional missile weapons, it is very slightly vulnerable (due to armor and air defense), you cannot hit with nuclear weapons from afar, and a miss of several hundred meters will save you. "Fleet in the atomic age"
And the capital ship, according to the classics, "gives the formations combat stability."

[Pavel73]

And who said that he must be sunk? It is enough to disable the entire antenna system, and it turns into an iron blank. Will instantly become blind and deaf, without any air defense. Alas, radar antennas cannot be covered with armor, and they cannot be repaired at sea.

[av58]

This is a crime, definitely. The ship needs to be preserved and upgraded at all costs.

[Pavel57]

It is regrettable that 2 Orlans will remain in the ranks, and not 4e. but on the other hand, all this is very expensive, time consuming and resource consuming. And most importantly, when you have to fight, if in the next 2-4 years, then such modernization is definitely not needed.

[lelik613]

Does he have through holes? I believe the cinema is that the impotence of the industry is not able to provide spare parts.
Green grapes ...

[Non-fighter]

Exhausted ... How long could you keep in limbo?
As they correctly write, the repair of this ship is the dismantling of ALL the filling of the hull, in particular the cable routes and pipelines, and their re-laying in accordance with the new equipment specifications. And what is left of the old ship? The hull and the name, and the dismantling procedure and subsequent installation into the finished hull, it is easier to build a new ship.
It was not the power of Russia and Putin personally that ruined, but all this has been going on since the times of the USSR. A ship in the roadstead - yes, it's beautiful, but it's a SHAME !!!! SHAME OF THE STATE !!! Who managed to build a ship but failed to build a pier for it, with all the supplies. There is an article next to it about the submarine 705, read about the conditions for its basing.
And you shouldn't forget about the personnel, or rather about its quality. A big call from Central Asia there they know the Russian language poorly and the matroiser is attached to the iron. A bunch of scales and arrows, such a thing as "scale divisions" have to be explained on the fly. And in general, these guys served on the principle of up to 1,5 years, "do not panimay yours", then "and do not pay." With me on "Kirov" the valiant warhead 5 killed the GTG - a gas turbine generator, an auxiliary / additional / emergency power supply.
About the accident at the power plant at Kirov. Yes, it was in 1989. During the last combat service, the steam generator of the first circuit of the bow echelon leaked. Deactivated by the "ventilation to atmosphere" method. No one was overexposed, small doses of 1 rem each were received by the chemical service and it seems that they were special hold. Chemists climbed to the reactor for analyzes, they determined the number of the steam generator and even the section number in it.

[xomaNN]

"Admiral Ushakov" - there is still a chance for reincarnation ??? Or?

[Alexey Koshkarov]

If modernization is so dear to us, then won't it become more expensive for us when the American fleet is moored in Vladivostok, and we, as the Ukrainian fleet, will hinder it with budget inflatable boats?

[ankir13]

Sell ​​it to the Chinese, for another 100 years... And then it will become a museum, or a water attraction...

[Ruslan Sledkov]

Commissioned into the fleet in 1984, and withdrawn in 1999.15. Served for 15 years. Something very little. So much money and effort to put into the ship so that it takes XNUMX years to sail. I don't understand.

[stels_07]

5 yards for disposal?! He should be accidentally drowned and the money should be given to the children. Putin pamagi

[FRoman1984]

Very, very sorry. The last Remnant of the Great Empire, which there was still a chance to save. Truly an ocean ship. Now they are building corvettes, MRKs and other tubs and pots because they can’t do anything else.

[Vdi73]

Breaking, not building, they renamed it, tortured it, tortured the cruiser, decided to saw it up. Such a cruiser served for only 14 years. If it weren’t for the submarine, they wouldn’t have gone very far from the shore, only “small dishes” remained.