The Angara-5 rocket will be launched for the first time with a spacecraft on board

This year, the Angara-5 heavy-class launch vehicle will be launched with a real spacecraft on board, and not with a satellite model. This launch, which is already the third in a row, according to the instructions of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, must pass with a payload.

About this in an interview with the news agency RIA News said the general director of the Khrunichev State Space Research Center Alexei Varochko.

The Ministry of Defense has set the task of providing the third launch with a payload. To do this, you will have to work hard, including with insurance companies.

- said the head of the research and production center.

He clarified that it is not yet known what type of satellite will be delivered by the launch vehicle.

Varochko also announced the postponement of the launch of the Angara light rocket with a South Korean satellite on board. The Russian side has nothing to do with this delay. The fact is that by the time of the scheduled launch, the spacecraft that the launch vehicle is supposed to deliver into orbit will not be ready yet. Therefore, it was decided to postpone the start to 2022. If, for some reason, the delivery of the South Korean satellite does not take place, then Angara-1.2 will remain at the disposal of the Khrunichev Center.

Comments

[U-58]

Hurry, hurry comrade. Rogozin to root the Angara.
Proton production was closed exactly 2 years ago.
Countless billions are thrown into the start at Vostochny
Quite solid opposition to the design of the Sosa 5 and superheavy based on it.
How not to miss ..
For the racket (the one that Angara) is very, very expensive.
So far, there are no grounds to make it cheaper.
How will it be?

[Finches]

If we ignore all the pettiness, then the photograph personally makes me proud! One can feel power in it - intellectual and technological! Expensive, of course, but this missile system will provide guaranteed independent access to space and Russia's permanent presence in extraterrestrial space. "Vostochny", if we want to continue to participate in the space race, we only needed our own cosmodrome, on our territory! And to build a modern cosmodrome from scratch is not to build a supermarket! I can't understand the spiteful critics - what's wrong with that?

[Temples]

Quote: U-58

Hurry, hurry comrade. Rogozin ...
Proton production was closed exactly 2 years ago.
Countless billions are thrown into the start at Vostochny
......
For the racket (the one that Angara) is very, very expensive.
......
How will it be?

Everything is simple, don't go to a fortune-teller:

-You will continue to grumble and saliva about the Russian space.
and at the same time praise the "conquerors of the moon" in the person of a mask or other figure.

Any action of the Russian engineers causes an attack of hatred in your brothers.

And there is no rush about which you write at all.
Here, many, on the contrary, wish that they would accelerate.

Any step of our Roskosmos is like a cross for the devil for you.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Temples

-You will continue to grumble and saliva about the Russian space ...

And in essence, the comment is what to answer? Or there is nothing to answer, therefore, you can go to the individual?
PS Do adults and educated people use the pronoun "you" in conversation, or do you not count yourself as such?

[Temples]

Essentially:
It was you who switched to the personality of Rogozin.
The cost of the Hangar includes the creation of launching tables and the entire infrastructure.
In fact, there are two cosmodrome.
The cost of the Hangara includes payment for the work of engineers in the design bureaus that create a rocket and spaceports.
The cost of the Hangara includes the creation of production facilities for these missiles. New factories.

And convert the cost of the Angara into dollars, and then compare with the cost of other military equipment.
For example, compare with the cost of aircraft.

In the training manuals they write rubbish with reference to reality.
You read and pass off as yours.

There is no cost per Angara rocket.
For this is a whole program that includes what I wrote about above.
And only the constant whining of clever people makes some people involved in the project say that the cost of 1 rocket will be low after launching into series.
Because it is impossible to calculate the cost of one rocket at the time of the creation of the entire complex.

A guaranteed spacewalk is not a penny.
Thousands of enterprises throughout Russia are involved in this project.

I can only wish good luck to all the people involved.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Temples

Essentially:
It was you who switched to the personality of Rogozin.

Where?
I repeat:

Quote: aleksejkabanets

PS Do adults and educated people use the pronoun "you" in conversation, or do you not count yourself as such?

It was impossible to answer the commentator right away, without rudeness and transitions to personalities? Let's be more restrained already.

[Temples]

Essentially I wrote to you.
Any objections?
Or will you be offended that they turned to you for "you"?

And in essence, the comment is what to answer? Or there is nothing to answer, therefore, you can go to the individual?

You have decided to take on the mission of the protector.

Your client began with Rogozin's personality.
The launches of the Angara were carried out by the military from the military cosmodrome.

You are acting on a template. - Rogozin is guilty because he is Rogozin. And if Rogozin is in Roskosmos, then Angara is a bad rocket, and the Russian space program is a cut of the dough.

That is essentially the point.

You are essentially offended by turning to you on you.

Essentially.
Addressing the interlocutor on "you" is not offensive.
Moreover, addressing the interlocutor in "you" in Russian is a demonstration of friendly attitude.

You are addressed in cases of intentional distancing.

For example, police officers are ordered to address citizens on "you".
The goal is to remove even the slightest reason for a familiar attitude, brotherhood with a representative of power.

Insulting a person is not a pronoun.
And also there is no respect for the interlocutor in the pronoun "you".

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Temples

Essentially I wrote to you.
Any objections? .....

Hamlo, it is Hamlo in Africa. During the year that I am on the site, you have greatly degraded the Temples. It's unpleasant to get dirty about you.

[El Chuvachino]

There are "creatures" then and there, solid value judgments based on emotions. Every second person here knows how best Roscosmos and Rogozin should do their job personally. Verbiage and water in a nutshell.

[U-58]

Schaub understood.
There is one comrade. looks at the photo with pride.
And here I am, with a feeling of great fatigue. Guess why ..

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Quote: U-58

Schaub understood.
There is one comrade. looks at the photo with pride.
And here I am, with a feeling of great fatigue. Guess why ..

From old age?

[U-58]

Yes, and from her too.
39 years in the industry.

[slipped]

Quote: U-58

Yes, and from her too.
39 years in the industry.

You need to rest more often. To go to the sea in summer. And to give way to the young in production forging new personnel.

[U-58]

Young ones do not hold on for more than 3 months.
The quality system is difficult for them.
The last time I rested at sea was in 1991.
On vacation? Vacation - week after work week.
Aha, and a seven-day work week is not desirable? And home by 9 pm, how's that for you?
Yes, I think it's weak ..

[slipped]

Quote: U-58

The last time I rested at sea was in 1991.

I don't understand, I have it by my side

Quote: U-58

Aha, and a seven-day work week is not desirable? And home by 9 pm, how's that for you?

Fine. I already get used to it.

Quote: U-58

Yes, I think it's weak ..

I'm a capitalist, I'm no stranger to it.

[sleeve]

I'll now assume, just do not swear mindlessly. 39 years in the industry. So scold this very industry. But 39 years in it. And to scold the authorities for this? But all 39 years in the industry? And the rockets fall. Or do they not fly for a long time ... Is there everyone like you?

[Kart]

Fortunately, not all. Rockets mostly fly. The overwhelming majority.
And here, to be honest, it smells like the daughter of the chief designer.
And if not, then maybe with such an attitude in such a production they are not needed?
No Rogozin will help here if a person has lost everything in his head.

[sleeve]

Yes, I doubt everything that is "involved". Well, it is not accepted in such industries to juggle numbers like marketing. And here at every step. And how much it costs and why such engines go far. Not a word about the reasons. A person from the outside reading all this must simply be convinced of the finitude of the industry as such. This is if you don't go into details and don't ask questions. After all, the flow of information. It's just a continuous and negative flow. But clearly aligned in one direction.

[U-58]

Are you trolling?
Well, place the punctuation marks and express your thoughts in a human-readable language.

[sleeve]

Yes I am expressing. And I arrange. It happens that the editor fails and the fingers on the phone wither. Siberia all the same. And it's great that you jump to "you", you feel a sociable person. In general, my idea is clear there, but it does not apply to you. This is to a previous comment by another author. With you I do not understand a little how to communicate then? You are the mastodon of the space industry. Your statements are undeniable because (see previous sentence). Now I can't go into the materials, I work "in the fresh air", therefore, the argumentation is not particularly supported. Well, and, frankly, I directly feel that a normal discussion will not work, since see the Proposal about the "mastodon".
But here are some questions for you. As the Egyptians said, "I will ask what your feet are on."
1. Why is the rocket industry so scattered in our country and how many stages of "restructuring" has it gone through since 1991?
2. What is the main problem of the military-industrial complex and precision industry and, at the same time, the declared goal of the state in this direction (something about 25000 workers and 4000 of the same, but not here).
3. What is the urgency of changing the model range of the rocket component of the space program in the 21st century and from what positions this process has begun.
4. What are the geographic coordinates of the main launch zones on the territory of the Russian Federation and in the USA and what influence this data can have on the formation of the program and the design features of the vehicles participating in them (I propose to analyze the data on the launch from the Kuru "Soyuz" cosmodrome, naturally excluding the telemetry characteristics).
Is it actually enough to "seed" the conversation? I'm sure you already understand what I'm going to lead the conversation to. And more ... My father has been driving for 50 years. He retired, leaving behind 45 years of experience. But I have never heard from him the phrase that he is "in the trucking industry." He just worked there. Forgive my rudeness.

[U-58]

Well, stop playing with a "smart" look.
I don’t know what “trigger zones” are. Maybe you can tell me.
However, one zone, which in some way can be called the launch zone, is very close to me. This is the Krasnokutsk zone ........
Here are the zones of the fall of the worked-out steps somehow more familiar to me.

[sleeve]

Launch area - the area where launch points are located. Rarely used for spaceports. Mainly for "scattered" PU rockets. Conventionally designates a circle of maximum coverage with a center point for deriving the "common" coordinate point of the launch area. It differs from the launch area in that it is calculated for directly involved "devices". You don't have to google it. And with Krasnokutsky, what happens ...

[DrEng527]

Quote: U-58

Yes, I think it's weak ..

I think it's stupid! even at the age of 20-30 you can understand, but after 39 years of experience it is definitely a disgrace! Maybe it's time to learn how to organize your work rationally?

Quote: U-58

Young ones do not hold on for more than 3 months.

do you think you are eternal? you are mistaken and the shift must be prepared ...

[U-58]

Do you think that I am the record holder?
By no means.
My colleague is 66,5 years old, and I don't know how many years of experience, but more than mine.
My colleague has recently celebrated its 68th birthday, 50,5 years of experience. An outstanding specialist, but young people do not want to study. Just a week ago, a young 18-year-old girl quit her job after 7 months. It is difficult and stressful for her. I decided to return to the "nail" business - and grandmother, and no responsibility. No checkpoint, no schedule, no work on weekends. You sleep, you want it fast, you work, you want it fast, and so on.

[DrEng527]

Quote: U-58

but young people do not want to study.

sorry for him, does not understand the banal - youth is the future ...

Quote: U-58

and money, and no responsibility

What arrogance you have - you can harm people with an illiterate approach ...
the problem is that the state pays pennies for hard work and many are still happy that our special equipment is cheap ...

Quote: U-58

No checkpoint, no schedule, no work on weekends.

And what is the checkpoint or the regime to your joy? They have to pay extra for this ...
And working on weekends is illegal!

Quote: U-58

You sleep, you want it fast, you work, you want it fast, and so on.

you are mistaken - sit with other people's nails, listen to these inflated Frau, breathe in the vapors of solvents - maybe look differently ...

[U-58]

And sit in the shop, smell what and how it smells like a beautiful July day, when it's +34 on the street, and in the shop itself +38 ...
And no one is going to buy air conditioners, make additional payments, or reduce the working day according to the "instructions of the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions" ....
So your view of everything is the view of a theoretician from the outside.
So work for 3 years, so that you do not make hammers and sledgehammers, but specifically high-precision and ultra-expensive aerospace products.
Then I will appreciate your reasoning.
About youth. We are glad to young competent children.
There are many jobs for them. There is an adaptation program, when the boy's salary is kept at a certain level for 3 months (clearly above the merit) so that he can adapt, join the work. However, only a few settle.
The bulk works for 3-7-10 months and rolls ...
Although earn 30-45 thousand or more (net) opportunities are available.
And you're all about our rejection of young people ...

[DrEng527]

Quote: U-58

specifically, high-precision and ultra-expensive aerospace products.

I create an even more expensive technique ... and more complex ...

Quote: U-58

Then I will appreciate your reasoning.

yes, I don’t care ...

Quote: U-58

And you're all about our rejection of young people ...

Quote: U-58

but young people do not want to study.

figure yourself out

[U-58]

So everything has already been sorted out, if you really read

[Errr]

Quote: slipped

... to give way to the young in production forging new personnel.

You suddenly have a double pearl. An extremely rare thing. Something similar in form sounded before from the loudspeakers when passing by the tribune on a big holiday. First call:

Give way to the young in the forging industry!

And after, like an echo of the call, the glorification of the achievement:

Forging new personnel in production!

Thank you. You made me feel good.

[slipped]

Quote: Herrr

You suddenly got a double pearl. An extremely rare thing.

I try to answer with humor, there is no other way, hamsters will start eating.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: U-58

Schaub understood.
There is one comrade. looks at the photo with pride.
And here I am, with a feeling of great fatigue. Guess why ..

Because your opportunistic and frankly populist commentary did not gain the heap of advantages that you clearly expected.

[mole]

Quote: U-58

Schaub understood.
There is one comrade. looks at the photo with pride.
And here I am, with a feeling of great fatigue. Guess why ..

Looks like they didn't appreciate it. Because of the "Queen - whom few people knew, but Who was definitely not less tired than yours"!

[Cosm22]

Here, Mr. Zyablitsev is feeling proud. And I am a feeling of complete disappointment. Why? Because Angara is a dead end road.
The hangar is being done only because Roscosmos is unable to do anything more today. The proton is on its way to the cemetery, the flying modifications of the Alliances are weak and do not pull on the status of superheavy or simple strands. Soyuz-2, considered a middle-class launch vehicle, pushes less than 10 tons to LEO.
Naturally, this state of affairs is unacceptable, primarily for the military. Their top-secret products, presumably, weigh more than 10 tons. Yes, and for civilian needs is rare, but sometimes it is necessary to display PN with great weight. The question is - what? If the days of Proton are already numbered? A slightly moth-eaten Angara project was pulled out of the closet. For lack of anything else. There is simply nothing else at hand. No ideas, no concepts, no technologies, and no production facilities to implement the latter.
But does this make sense? Is this not a mistake in principle? Does A have a chance to even come close to Falcon's performance?
Let's compare the Angara-A5 and Falcon 9 with an open mind, using dry numbers. Such an analysis has already been done by specialists back in 2018, I will give only a few data and add a couple of myself. With one amendment - I will not mention Moscow in logistics figures in connection with the move at all, I will post data only for Omsk.
Both RNs are kerosene stoves.
Both are in the heavy class (25,8 / 22,8 t). We will not take into account the three theoretical tons of the Angara overweight in PN, they are not significant. In return, I promise not to even mention in the first paragraphs the reusability of the first steps of the Falcon, in order to even out the chances of Angara in this.
This is where the pleasant facts end and the harsh reality begins.
Number of employees: TsiH - 25 people, SpaceX - 000.
Number of steps: Angara-A5 - 4 steps in fact, Falcon 9 - 2 steps.
The number of engines: Angara - 7, Falcon - 10. It would seem that this is the advantage of the Angara! IN POWER! But!
Oh, this is a "but" ...
But at the same time, the total mass of the engines at the Angara is 11,6 tons, at the Falcon - 4,7 tons. Feel the difference, as they say.
The number of basic architectural elements of the Angara is 8 (4 URM + 2 + 3 st. + Fairing + RB). Falcon - 3 (2 steps + fairing). Feel the difference again.
Launch / dry weight: Angara - 759 / 43,7 t, Falcon - 550/30 t.
The number of types of engines on one product: Angara - 3, Falcon - 1 (Merlin comes with differences in stages only in the geometry of the nozzle).
Let's move on to logistics.
Angara. The distance shoulder between the LV and engines manufacturer is almost 2700 km. The shoulder between the place of production and the cosmodrome is 3500 km with the Omsk-Vostochny pair and 2000 km with the Omsk-Plesetsk pair (depending on how you count).
Falcon. The distance shoulder between the LV and engines manufacturer is LESS THAN ONE CM, because everything is done practically in one workshop. The shoulder between the production site and the launch site is 210 km with the Hawthorne-Vandenberg pair.
I will not even mention the advantages of a monoblock circuit (which only allows reusability, because it rests on the throttling parameters of engines) compared to a batch sausage, this is a topic for a separate conversation.
So what's the bottom line?
The hangar is almost one and a half times heavier than the Falcon with greater frontal resistance.
The Angara has a more complex architecture, requiring more complex engineering starting structures.
What is easier and cheaper - to produce a product in 4 cities or in fact in one workshop?
"Nine" is not only lighter in weight and more competent in design, it is also easier to manufacture and maintain. This is where the low launch price of the Falcon comes from.
After all, Musk's genius is not only in the fact that he brought to life the reusability of the first steps and fairings flaps. Although this factor also significantly affects the price.
And not even that he is rapidly introducing the most advanced technologies and production methods in his production (when in the Republic of Kazakhstan they boasted only foundations for friction welding equipment, in SpaceX friction welding has already become a routine and was used everywhere).
Musk realized in time that cooperation (a generally progressive thing) specifically in astronautics has a negative effect. Not only does each supplier inevitably wind up the price for his unit, because he is primarily interested in his own profit, but you still have to bear enormous transport costs. Not to mention how much time is wasted on various agreements between departments when changing any insignificant parameter or structural unit. The mask does not need to be coordinated with anyone, everything is close at hand, all commands are executed quickly and efficiently.
That is why Roskosmos ingloriously lost the battle and gave its segment of the commercial market to Mask. It's not Musk's dumping. This RK went to desperate dumping when he lowered the price for launching Proton from 100 lemons to 65. But even that did not save him, the bobby was dead.
So what then can we say about the Angara, which, even according to the statements of the representatives of the Republic of Kazakhstan, is at least twice as expensive as the Proton? Who needs it so much today? Well, the military (maybe) will order 4-5, on the strength of 6 (6 products, by the way, Omsk won't be able to handle even in a couple of years) launches per year, they also have such a mass and in such quantity underfoot. This is the ceiling. The way to the international market is closed, it is problematic to adapt such an expensive carrier for civil needs.
What is there to be proud of?

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Quote: Cosm22

Here, Mr. Zyablitsev is feeling proud. And I am a feeling of complete disappointment. Why? Because Angara is a dead end road.

Damn, the guys don't know that they spent so many years on a dead end.

Quote: Cosm22

The hangara is being done only because Roscosmos is not able to do anything more today.

Roscosmos FSE !!!!

Quote: Cosm22

The proton is on its way to the cemetery, the flying modifications of the Alliances are weak and do not pull on the status of superheavy or simple strands.

We will all be at the cemetery, one way or another. Oh, you have come up with a new class of missiles - simple heavy! Wow.

Quote: Cosm22

Soyuz-2, considered a medium-class launch vehicle, pushes less than 10 tons to LEO.

He is - the middle class. Discharges 2,3 tons from the GCC to GPO.

There is not even a desire to comment on this footcloth "more ..... Have you decided to starve your thoughts to death?

[Cosm22]

No.
I decided to post specific numbers in response to streams of pictures and quotes.
Is there something to fend off?
Except for pictures?

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

No.
I decided to post specific numbers in response to streams of pictures and quotes.
Is there something to fend off?
Except for pictures?

Lazy, better pictures, and numbers are easy to fake. In your case, generally a clinic.

[Cosm22]

Then maybe it's better to keep silent altogether?
If there is nothing to answer?

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

Then maybe it's better to keep silent altogether?
If there is nothing to answer?

I have already answered you. Have you seen my answer? Brad tired of commenting.

[El Chuvachino]

Not everyone here writes comments with canvases for a salary.

[sleeve]

Why do you need someone else's "parry"? You have already crushed Roskosmos to the dogs. Well, to your health. Do you want you to get a letter here that there is no cosmonautics in Russia. Hang on the wall. On top, nail the inscription "I told you so!" And oops ... Happiness.

[Cosm22]

And you, obviously, are satisfied with everything?
I already asked the question here - who is the greatest patriot of Russia? The one who hides his head in the sand and shouts "hurray to Roscosmos!" at every step, or someone who sees the obvious blunders and mistakes of this Roscosmos and tries to somehow attract general attention to them? The one who absolutely does not care what is happening in the industry, or the one who root for it with all his heart?
Who understands that after the death of the Proton project and the entry into the Falcon arena, Russia completely lost the world market for launching geostationary satellites, in which it completely dominated a little more than a decade ago, occupying up to 60% of the sector in this niche?
Who knows that Samara, the only city thanks to which Russia still holds the third place in launches, is mercilessly rotten by the same Roscosmos, pulling money out of Samara and pouring it into TsiH to please the unprofitable Angara project? Now, a claim from the RF Ministry of Defense in the amount of 4,7 million rubles (are there not enough American sanctions?) Has joined the Roscosmos claim for 774,2 billion rubles against the Progress RCC. It is in such conditions that the Samara people need to continue to make the Unions, on which everything today rests, to develop the Soyuz-5 with Amur-LNG.
The questions, however, are rhetorical ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Cosm22

Is there something to fend off?
Except for pictures?

Well, what about the cons? I pressed the button and killed my opponent! I completely struck down with my arguments, now you can be proud of yourself)))))))

[pytar]

Respect to you, Vladimir! Everything was clearly arranged on the shelves, I read it with interest! The analysis, which contrasts sharply with the shouts of "patriots", is quite obscure! Plus from me!

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Quote: pytar

Plus from me!

Minus from me. For you, the main thing is "routine analysis" and that says it all.

[Kart]

Moreover, this "analysis" resembles other known analyzes, it is known from where.
Traditionally.
Meanwhile, rockets are being made and flying.
Only for VO is insulting.

[pytar]

Minus from me.

Whoever is rich in what gives ...

For you, the main thing is "routine analysis" and that says it all.

Brief and clear, right? You know, for some reason there is no obedient counter-analysis on the part of Vladimir's opponents! Just idle talk, no specifics!
It would be interesting if someone from the urya-experts would so line-by-line to him from the facts!

[slipped]

Quote: pytar

You know, for some reason there are no obedient counter-analyzes on the part of Vladimir's opponents! Just idle talk, no specifics!

I see that your native language is not Russian. You will not understand.

[pytar]

I see that your native language is not Russian. You will not understand.

My native language is not Russian, but here dear Vladimir quite understand! By the way, I understand you too, you just didn’t opine anything concrete. Some personal flights.

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Quote: pytar

My native language is not Russian, but here dear Vladimir quite understand!

You can believe in any nonsense if you really want it, right?

Quote: pytar

By the way, I understand you too, you just didn’t opine anything concrete.

And why, I have already expressed my opinion for this opus. But especially for you I will "opine" - what questions are you interested in?

[pytar]

You can believe in any nonsense if you really want it, right?

Justify, prove that Cosm22 (Vladimir) writes nonsense!

But especially for you I will "opine" - what questions are you interested in?

So, for the beginning, remove the quotes - opine really with facts in response to facts! Here, Vladimir writes:
"Let's compare Angara-A5 and Falcon 9 with an open mind, in the language of dry numbers ..."
Try it like this - "1 ... 2 ... 3 ...." line by line refute what they have laid out, if you can of course!
I think all of us who follow the dispute will be interested!

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Quote: pytar

Try it like this - "1 ... 2 ... 3 ...." line by line refute what they have laid out, if you can of course!
I think all of us who follow the dispute will be interested!

Do you propose to compare a long-time successfully flying serial missile with a non-serial one undergoing testing? Seriously? Why do this?

The rocket is being successfully tested, new payloads have been ordered for it. As it flies in full then we will compare. In the meantime, there is no point in this. As I say, there is only one nonsense.

[pytar]

Do you propose to compare a long-time successfully flying serial missile with a non-serial one undergoing testing? Seriously?

Don't try to slip away! We are discussing purely technical parameters and characteristics! What prevents to compare? Number opposite numbers! Besides, you yourself say that Falcon has been flying for a long time, as if they are not new, and the Angara should have the advantage of novelty, technologies do not sit in one place!

Why do this?

Because of this:

Say "a", say "b"! Why else did they start opting for Vladimir? Or is that the end of all your "arguments"?
I learned a lot of interesting things from him, and from you everything is in this style: "It's lazy, it's better to have pictures, and numbers are not difficult to fake. In your case, a clinic at all."! Are you a doctor or what?

As flies in full then we will compare. In the meantime, there is no point in this.

Why can't you compare now? What exactly will change, because the wallpaper is rocket in metal and fly?

As I say, there is only one nonsense.

So far, you have one such thing. No specifics. Okay ... let's wait a little longer, maybe change your mind ...

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Quote: pytar

So far, you have one such thing. No specifics. Okay ... let's wait a little longer, maybe change your mind ...

The specifics at the bottom of the topic. Take a look.

[pytar]

The specifics at the bottom of the topic. Take a look.

Looked:

There is not even a desire to comment on this footcloth "more ..... Have you decided to starve your thoughts to death?

Are these all your arguments?
slipped (slipped - in Russian) wow you have a "flight of thoughts" !!! Add something on performance characteristics, or do we not spend more time on you?

[slipped]

Quote: pytar

Looked: Are these all your arguments? Oh wow

Do you want to add something?

Quote: pytar

slipped (slipped - in Russian)

You don't know American English well or your auto-translator is screwing up.

Quote: pytar

this is the "flight of thoughts"! Add something on performance characteristics, or we don’t spend more time with you?

What confused you so much? All data from open sources. I'm not holding you, like a tablecloth.

[pytar]

Do you want to add something?

Me not. I am not considered an expert, for that I read with interest those who are better versed in the topic. I see you are not one of them, since they did not say anything specifically, for the difference from Vladimir.

You don't know American English well or your auto-translator is screwing up.

Perhaps, but not the point. You obviously have nothing to argue with Vladimir. It is clear.

What confused you so much? All data from open sources. I'm not holding you, like a tablecloth.

It was embarrassing that you "opined" on specific data to Vladimir without writing a single fact refuting what they said! When arguments containing numbers, facts are presented, it is more logical to oppose them in the same way! The dialogue of experts is always interesting, and your slipped response is empty chatter! You can't learn anything interesting on the topic. But I will continue to read Vladimir! Intelligent, knowledgeable person! Health to him!

[slipped]

Quote: pytar

since they didn't say anything specifically, for the difference from Vladimir.

And I did not write about the difference.

Quote: pytar

Perhaps, but not the point. You obviously have nothing to argue with Vladimir. It is clear.

You also understand Russian very poorly - I said nonsense there. This is my objection. Is it not clear to you?

Quote: pytar

it is more logical to oponate them in the same way!

no sense there is a clinic

Quote: pytar

The dialogue of experts is always interesting, but your slipped response is empty chatter! You can't learn anything interesting on the topic.

This is not "letting go of chatter", but publicly available facts, everything that I knew on the topic I expressed below. Read on.

Quote: pytar

But I will continue to read Vladimir! Intelligent, knowledgeable person! Health to him!

The fact that you are one field of berries, I also already understood. Grow further in your field.

[Cosm22]

Well, does it prevent us from comparing the Su-57 undergoing tests with hundreds of F-35s already in service? Moreover, to smash these very hundreds in the media with a single sample that entered the VKS?
Who ordered the new PNs for the fifth Hangar, may I ask? If we are talking about a South Korean commercial customer, then this issue was discussed back in 2016. And not the fifth version was discussed, but the LV of the light class "Angara-1.2". There are no more orders, except for Russian military ones. And those 4 were issued in advance, because the hard workers need to pay something. So far, in fact, for a pig in a poke, tk. the product is under testing. And these 4 launches, by the way, are entirely included in this stage.
And it is not clear at all why the Angara project is positioned as a civil one? Orders for the launch vehicle will be given only by the RF Ministry of Defense, it will also participate in the construction of the SC under the Angara on Vostochny. PN - for military purposes.
By the way, we remember very well that it was planned to build two launch sites for Angara A5 on Vostochny. One was conceived as "cargo", the second "aerobatic". But...
But in May 2017, Putin held a meeting at which it was proposed to reduce the number of starting tables for Angara in Plesetsk and Vostochny from 4 to 2. Moreover, construction on Vostochny should be carried out only with the participation of the Moscow Region, because only in this way Kazakhstan could meet the allocated budget in the amount of 340 billion rubles.

[sleeve]

Yes, they already wrote to you that you have defeated everyone here. There is no longer cosmonautics in Russia. It's good that such sober-minded people live in the country and work in the industry. So they would have lived in a stranger, that Russia has no future in the stars. And of course you are the most important patriots. Because it exposes the shortcomings, only of which the entire Roscosmos consists. And well done, this is all briefly so, in the comments you have time in three lines. Well, professionals, you will not leave.

[KJIETyc]

"Objective" analysis of the sofa iksperdov not involved in this topic? Burn more, ask the loader to diagnose you at the clinic on a wiki basis.

[Disant]

For you, the main thing is "routine analysis" and that says it all.

he is Bulgarian - he can

[slipped]

Quote: Disant

For you, the main thing is "routine analysis" and that says it all.

he is Bulgarian - he can

Yes, even Romanians. His original message is already wrong.

[pytar]

Quote: slipped

Yes, even Romanians. His original message is already wrong.

So you take and give the correct message! What about nationality flew? Your oponet Cosm22 (Vladimir), as I understand it, Russian!

[slipped]

Quote: pytar

So you take and give the correct message!

Below I laid out the facts about the Angara, known for today.

[tralflot1832]

There is nothing to be proud of.Soviet heritage.Logistics of seams.Vsekosmichskoe production next to Plisetskiy and Vostochny.We are moving the entire sound base or at the root.And you do not know that this whole thing was created during the nuclear confrontation, to concentrate production..Mask is done in But the Minutemans will not trust him from the word at all. Maybe Potanin or Rottenberg will muddle up the space program, on the basis of Mask's mistakes.

[Kart]

Do not understand.
Angara - Soviet legacy? Or a new spaceport? Or what?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Carte

Angara - Soviet legacy? Or a new spaceport? Or what?

All. This is the essence of the sketch.

[tralflot1832]

I'm talking about logistics Angara Russian development

[jonht]

How frightened ANGORA on kerosene, hydrogen-oxygen is indicated everywhere?

[Artyom Karagodin]

In my opinion, here it is like with the Yasen submarine. A very expensive project, but given the consequences of the 90s, there is no choice. Because access to space must be preserved here and now. And then it will be possible to talk about methane rocket engines, and about reusable stages. In order not to lag behind in this regard, you need to work STRONGLY AND EFFECTIVELY, which means, finally, to sort out the mess in Roskosmos.

[Cosm22]

Yes, it won't be.
The future of the Angara and the entire Russian cosmonautics is in the heavy class - 4-6 (at best) launches per year. All. Here is such a dull picture. For Angara in particular and for Russian astronautics in the heavy class in general. If, of course, Omsk will master the production of at least two products a year this year.
And if the military also gives the go-ahead for this release. For after the first launch of Angara-A5, the military (and only they need the launch vehicle, the civilian sector cannot afford such prices) rejected the carrier. The practical weight deduced by him did not correspond to the declared one, and Rogozin admitted this.
And about the second launch of Angara-A5, the RF Ministry of Defense is still silent. Again claims? It is not excluded. Perhaps the expectations were again not met. The launch vehicle was essentially the same as that launched 6 years ago, only slightly lightweight. No new RB, no new third stage engines, no new control system.
As for the reduction in price, the product will never fall in price. It can only rise in price if a new engine is installed on the third stage. In any case, the way to the international commercial market Angara has been ordered.

[slipped]

Quote: U-58

Hurry, hurry comrade. Rogozin to root the Angara.

It's high time.

Quote: U-58

Proton production was closed exactly 2 years ago.

Wrong. The missiles are in production.

Quote: U-58

Countless billions are thrown into the start at Vostochny

A good and quality start will be.

Quote: U-58

Quite solid opposition to the design of the Sosa 5 and superheavy based on it.

Lying is bad. There is no "opposition" to Soyuz-5. Assemble a dynamic item. The development of the STK technical design was put on a six-month "pause", at the request of Roscosmos and the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Quote: U-58

How not to miss ..
For the racket (the one that Angara) is very, very expensive.

The cost of production is only twice as expensive as the serial Proton debugged over the years.

Quote: U-58

How will it be?

Super.

[U-58]

What is in production, and what is already finished forever, I am in the subject, because somehow I am involved ..

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Quote: U-58

What is in production, and what is already finished forever, I am in the subject, because somehow I am involved ..

The production of engines for Proton at Proton-PM was completed, the enterprise itself was reoriented to production of RD-191, new equipment is now being received in Novye Lyady, and this year a new building is being commissioned. Or do you not know?

[U-58]

I know. How - how, New Star. I've heard. I saw something ..

[sleeve]

And what about the Expanses? Have you heard and seen, but it's not true? Or what? What is the answer from the main demanding argumentation?

[sleeve]

By Protons .... Sorry.

[U-58]

In terms of space: construction is proceeding at a good pace. Catching up on schedule.
But you don't need to troll me.
And not with such beavers coped.
Now for Protons.
How much is in the work, how much of what is in stock, in general, it is not a secret, but we will not grind the numbers and, especially, the nomenclature here.
A long-term habit, you know ..

[sleeve]

Here is the word "one way or another" is suggestive))

[U-58]

And what are you thinking about?
How to calculate me?))))
Yes, this, with a skillful approach, is a matter of five minutes)))

[Thrifty]

Ragozin and launch into orbit in order to lose the habit of reporting in advance about the results that have not yet been achieved, and about the imaginary "successes" under his leadership ...

[slipped]

Quote: Thrifty

and about the alleged "successes" under his leadership ...

He has no "imaginary" successes. All successes are visible. And the photo in the title confirms this. How do you confirm your insinuations?

[Kart]

It is not customary for skakuas. They react strictly by the surname indicated in the training manual.
No amount of success will easily knock them off topic.
No matter what anyone does in Roscosmos, the reaction is the same - Rogozin sold everything.

[Thrifty]

kart - if your stone is addressed to me, then I am RUSSIAN and have lived all my life since birth in Rostov-on-Don, and I advise you to change the method! !!

[slipped]

Quote: Thrifty

kart - if your stone is addressed to me, then I am RUSSIAN and have lived all my life since birth in Rostov-on-Don, and I advise you to change the method! !!

left, left left .... bank of the Don. So you did not answer my question then ....

[Simargl]

Quote: U-58

hurry comrade. Rogozin to root the Angara.
Proton production was closed exactly 2 years ago.

Nobody will buy Proton abroad, the Kazakhs, under pressure from the "public", also began to make gold (compensation for fuel on the territory), and even a tiny hope for Angara.

Quote: U-58

Countless billions are thrown into the start at Vostochny

We need a cosmodrome on our territory. In addition, the exclusion zone is being populated more and more actively.

Quote: U-58

Quite solid opposition to the design of the Sosa 5 and superheavy based on it.
How not to miss ..

The problem is that it’s hard for Roskosmos, but it comes to the fact that the recoverable stage is not so much “valuable fur”, but also the automatic collection of scrap metal. Well, the settlement plays a role.

Quote: U-58

So far, there are no grounds to make it cheaper.

Taking into account the above - the concept of changing the RN is necessary.

[astepanov]

In the USSR, it was not customary to say "gop!" before the jump. If the chief Gopnik of Roscosmos would recall this tradition, you see, they would laugh less at him.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: astepanov

In the USSR, it was not customary to say "gop!" before the jump. If the chief Gopnik of Roscosmos would recall this tradition, you see, they would laugh less at him.

Accurately noticed !!!

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Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

Accurately noticed !!!

Svidomye are happy about the accident. Well, at least some. Well, at least a little. For Roskosmos should be FSE ..

[NDR-791]

To recall this tradition to the main gopnik of Roscosmos
He remembered this !!! And even tries to spread a "trampoline" in advance: To do this, you will have to work hard, including with insurance companies.

[sleeve]

Whoa! What connoisseurs have appeared in the history of the USSR. In one fell swoop the most important component, such as "Socialist Commitments" hop and withdrawn. Fix irregularities quickly ...

[loki565]

And where is the USSR now? We must take an example from Comrade Mask, maximum PR before the start of production of something))) And every accident is just a new storehouse of knowledge)))

[Finches]

In the USSR, if you say "hop" before the jump, then people in gray raincoats will immediately come to you, and for the next 5 years you risk spending in places not so distant cutting out various fakes from wood!

[Simargl]

Quote: Finches

people in gray raincoats will immediately come to you and you risk spending the next 5 years in places not so remote!

Remember "gopali" continuously: catch up, overtake, fill up, overfulfill ...

[Kart]

Quote: astepanov

In the USSR, it was not customary to say "gop!" before the jump. If the chief Gopnik of Roscosmos would recall this tradition, you see, they would laugh less at him.

In the USSR, it was generally not accepted to talk about anything, everything was secret. Even the number of sheep's tails.
And how many missiles fell there - they still argue. But they agree that a lot.
Much more than in the current Roskosmos.
And the fact that some couch horses call him a gopnik, I think it doesn't matter.

[antivirus]

So the joy of the missiles is delayed and AV 10 pieces of 100VI each do not build at all

[slipped]

Quote: antivirus

So the joy of the missiles is delayed and AV 10 pieces of 100VI each do not build at all

What missiles are delaying? Another A5 rocket, flying this year, is ready for delivery for testing.

[Kart]

He saw the word "detain."
And then according to the scheme - They detain ... Roscosmos ... Angara ... AAAA !!! Everything is lost! Rogue go!

[Leon68]

slipped, don't pay attention to antivirus. This is a bot with the same injection in AB and its displacement.

[Knell wardenheart]

At least not on heptyl, already good

[Sands Careers General]

Hangara launch.
The sight is impressive. Power

[Trapp1st]

The Angara-5 rocket will be launched for the first time with a spacecraft on board

This is good, we wish you no feathers. By the way, after 11 hours NASA starts landing Perseverance on Mars. Who is interested Soft landing !!! We wait

[KBaHT_BpeMeHu]

NASA begins landing Perseverance on Mars in 11 hours

We are waiting for 30 from July 2021, it seemed so long, and now there is very little left! Everything is regular, without a hitch, you give a video from the red planet)

[Leon68]

"give a video from the red planet"
Of course, I'm wildly sorry, but the video will definitely be with red planets, not from red mainland? And then again a lizard, or a can of beer in the frame will fall.

[pytar]

Landing of Perseverance was successful! Bravo! NASA Well done!

[yfast]

Quote: slipped

Lazy, better pictures, and numbers are easy to fake. In your case, generally a clinic.

Do you have anything to say about the numbers or not?

[slipped]

Quote: yfast

Do you have anything to say about the numbers or not?

What numbers do you want from a non-serial rocket still undergoing tests? Well, I can say that in the last launch from Plesetsk, it brought the main engine up to 2.4 tons on the GSO. That the total cost of the first four heavy missiles ordered was 18 billion rubles. That the first full-time RB DM for the A5 is successfully passing its tests at the cosmodrome.

Do you want to hear it?

[Disant]

Of course there is - the other day the Americans' lunar program on the cheapest rockets jumped from 50 billion to 90 billion. Have you accidentally heard Russia's annual budget for space? I will tell you - 3 billion dollars.

and the falcons carry military orders, which have nothing to do with commerce., fill the number of launches in order to display this number.
what will happen when this Internet group spends a year about the atmosphere, what expenses will be in the future to maintain the group - no one knows, because all the numbers, even those they wrote to you above, have not been confirmed by anything, except for the lobbyists of the American space. And we of course believe them, bowing three times to the belt

[Leon68]

Plus! You don't even have to add anything.

[Ros 56]

Good luck to our defense workers, it's time to go forward in space.

[slipped]

At the request of the members of the forum, some facts about the Angara spacecraft:

1. In the second launch of the launch vehicle from the northern cosmodrome Plesetsk, 23 tons of cargo were injected into low-earth orbit. For geostationary - 2 kg. But calculations of the remaining fuel components showed that more than 420 tons could be withdrawn.

2. The production cycle of the heavy version of the "Angara-A5" LV complex, for today - 27 months. The cost of the rocket according to the technical specification is 3,8 billion rubles. As serial production begins, the total cost of the missiles will decline. The complex is being built for the next 50 years.

3. A full cycle of assembly and testing of the Angara universal rocket modules in Omsk is planned for 2022. Thus, the URM will be delivered from the plant directly to the cosmodrome, bypassing Moscow. A third stage for a heavy rocket and an aggregate module for a light "Angara" will be produced in Moscow. In addition, Breeze-M upper stages will be produced in Moscow and hydrogen technologies will be developed - the hydrogen stage and the oxygen-hydrogen upper stage KBTK.

4. All technological processes in production are set to ensure the production of 42 universal rocket modules per year.

5. Now the Ministry of Defense has ordered four heavy base carriers and a light one for launching satellites, Roskosmos one heavy base carrier and two heavy upgraded ones, within the framework of LKI on the Orel NPP. There is an order for one commercial launch of a light launch vehicle from South Korea, but they are delaying production of their satellite. There are new commercial customers for a light rocket with whom we are negotiating.

6. The heavy launch vehicle A5M will differ from the base A5 in engine power and derating of the engines for the launch of a manned spacecraft. Also, the manned version will have an additional emergency protection system. It will be able to launch more than 27 tons of payload into low-earth orbit from the Vostochny cosmodrome, while Angara-A5 - more than 24 tons.

7. The A5B carrier under development will launch 37 tons of payload into low orbit; this carrier can carry twin launches of heavy satellites.

[Vadim237]

It's bad that the A5B will fly only in 2027.

[Kushka]

Quote: Finches

In the USSR, if you say "hop" before the jump, then people in gray raincoats will immediately come to you, and for the next 5 years you risk spending in places not so distant cutting out various fakes from wood! [i] [/ i]

At the lesson:
- Children, remember the saying:
- "Language to K ......... will bring"
- To the Kolyma!