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Heraldic flags, emblems and liveries

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Even the seven ronin from the movie "Seven Samurai" felt somehow embarrassed to fight without their own banner!


“A detachment walked along the shore, walked from afar
The regiment commander was walking under the red banner.
The head is tied, blood on the sleeve,
A bloody trail spreads across the damp grass.
“Lads, whose will you be, who is leading you into battle?
Who is the wounded man walking under the red banner? " -
“We are farm laborers' sons, we are for a new world,
Shchors goes under the banner - the red commander "
(Song about Shchors. Mikhail Golodny)

“And they all stood under the banner,
And they say: “How are we to be?
Let's send to the Vikings:
Let them come to reign "
("History The Russian State from Gostomysl to Timashev ", A. K. Tolstoy)

Coats of arms and heraldry. There is hardly anything more emotional in comparison with such symbols as a flag, banner or a banner (standard). Without a banner, banner or flag, we just go nowhere. Not a single important event is complete without them. On my old wooden house, for example, there was a special mount for the state flag of the USSR, and the flag itself was also. Stood up to the time in the closet. And then a local policeman walked down the street on a holiday and to those who did not have a flag in the morning - he reminded them: hang out. So such signs are as old as history itself. However, heraldry appeared later than flags. We know about the images on the Roman Vexillums, and they can also be seen on the tapestry from Bayeux, which shows flags, pennants or flags of the Flemish contingent of the Duke William's army. It also shows the standard-bearer of King Harold with the banner of the "winged dragon" of Wessex. The flags on the spears of the Normans and Flemings at the Battle of Hastings were of cloth, but the standards of Wessex could be carved from wood or made of gilded metal.


A scene in Bayeux Embroidery, depicting the moment of battle when Duke William takes off his helmet to be recognized, and Count Eustace, with a flag in his hand, points at him and shouts: "Here he is, William!"

"Banners" and "Banners"


Well, when heraldry appeared, the coats of arms immediately moved to the flags. Like the coat of arms, the main purpose of their image at the very beginning was the usual identification, and it turned out that it was the banner that transferred its name to a whole class of medieval military, which now began to be called "banner knights" or simply "banner banners" - from the word "banner ", Which can be translated into Russian as" denominators ". Who were they? These were the military leaders who had the right to "dissolve the banner" and on the battlefield of their vassals under their own banner: either a square or rectangular cloth with the image of the banner's personal coat of arms. Let us clarify that in the XII and XIII centuries, the banner should have a width equal to one third of the length, while in later centuries it became square. Such a banner was the most important proof of the commander's presence on the battlefield. Fluttering high above the head of the banner knight, it followed him everywhere, wherever the banner itself went, or until its banner-bearer died.


The standards of the English nobility (first half of the 2006th century) were distinguished by the fact that each of them, so as not to be depicted on it, had the cross of St. George near the shaft itself. Illustration from Stephen Slater's book “Heraldry. Illustrated Encyclopedia ", Eksmo, 31, p. XNUMX

Note also that the knight could well become a banner and as a reward for bravery on the battlefield. At first he could be, for example, just a young knight. The so-called "bas chevalier", a knight of a lower rank, a "knight of one shield," who carried a long pennant with one or more long triangular tails on a spear as a sign of his rank. The one who commanded the troops that day: the king, prince or duke, simply cut off the tails from the pennant of this brave knight and thus turned it into a banner bestowed right on the battlefield as a reward for bravery or other merits. This did not mean that he immediately had an army that he could command, or that "long-tailed" knights, who had not yet shown such great courage, immediately began to run to him. But he had the right to command them.

Heraldic flags, emblems and liveries
Hospitaller and Templar banners (left to right) and French Oriflamme (far right). Illustration from Stephen Slater's book “Heraldry. Illustrated Encyclopedia ", Eksmo, 2006, p. 30

Besides, the banner had other privileges. So, in France, he could install a weather vane in the form of his banner over the castle, and also choose his own "crì-de-guerre" - that is, a battle cry. In Holland, he was entitled to a wreath or an image of a crown of "banner rank" over a coat of arms of a special type.


The Spanish knights under the banner with the image of the Madonna persecute the Muslim Arabs. Illustration from the Manuscript of the Song of Saint Mary, 1284 (Royal Library of El Escorial, Madrid)

Pennants and standards


In addition to the banner flag, there were two other types of heraldic flags that were also very popular among the knightly class. The first is a pennant, which was a triangular flag that could be worn on the spear shaft as an emblem.


For example, this is how such pennants on the spears of the Spanish knights of the Reconquista era looked like. Pamplona Illustrated Bible and the Lives of the Saints, 1200 (University Library of Augsburg)

The other is a standard, a long flag tapering to one end, longer than the pennant in length and size, and it could have a forked or rounded end. The coat of arms was not depicted on it, but it bore a certain distinctive sign or emblem of its owner. Moreover, this sign could be applied to the fabric several times (for example, lilies could dot the entire panel) and be accompanied by a motto. The national emblem was placed at the top of the standard (in the so-called "canopy"). But the main background of the standard could correspond to the colors of the coat of arms of the owner of the standard. Interestingly, the young knight was only entitled to a standard. But the banner was allowed to have both types of these vexillums.


Standard bearer of the Duke of Milan in infantry officer's half armor, c. 1525 Illustration from the book by Liliana and Fred Funkenov “Encyclopedia of weapons and military clothing. Middle Ages. Renaissance: Infantry. Cavalry. Artillery. M .: Astrel, 2002, p. 95

Banners and standard-bearers


There was also another type of flag popular among the city-states of medieval Europe - the banner. Banners were often simply huge in size with many tails. Usually the banners were attached hanging down from the crossbeam, which made it look like a sail. Before the battle, the banner was consecrated by the clergy, and it was considered a terrible shame to lose it, since people were sure of its supernatural power. It was almost impossible to carry the banner in hands, so it was installed on a special cart entrusted with the care of a certain family, and this position in the same Italy was then inherited. Perhaps the most famous was the French Oriflamme banner, kept for centuries in the Abbey of Saint-Denis (where members of the French royal family were also buried). What Oriflamma looked like, in general, no one knows for sure. It is believed that it was most likely a cloth of red silk with gold trimmings hanging from a flagpole of gilded wood or metal. The name, translated as "golden flame", indicates the gold trim of its "tails", but this is nothing more than an assumption. She was last seen at the Battle of Agincourt (1415), but the standard-bearer Guillaume Martel, the lord de Becqueville, to whom she was entrusted, was killed in battle, and the banner of Oriflamme disappeared. There are chronicles claiming that it was preserved in the Abbey of Saint-Denis at least until the XNUMXth century.

However, in addition to coats of arms and various coat of arms, there were also emblems. Moreover, they were typical for England and to a lesser extent for Italy. At the same time, the image of these emblems could again be placed on flags, as well as applied to coats of arms, or it was possible to take some detail from the coat of arms and declare it an emblem, or even take something that you liked or something resembles something, and also announce emblem.


Here, for example, is a magnificent and rare, fortunately, surviving example of heraldic art of the early 2006th century - the silver crescent, the emblem of the Percy family, the Dukes of Northumberland. It is interesting that this crescent had nothing to do with the Percy family and was not present in any of the coats of arms. Illustration from Stephen Slater's book “Heraldry. Illustrated Encyclopedia ", Eksmo, 27, p. XNUMX

Moreover, wearing the emblem of one or another lord gave, to a certain extent, immunity when accused in local courts, since there was a possibility that the judges also paid taxes to the treasury of the same influential lord. That is, it made the situation of “not knowing our own” in England practically impossible. Wearing the emblem of Lord Percy - you are our man, and the attitude towards you is ... appropriate. And if you have, say, the sign of Lord Fitzgerald - go to his land, "do not dispose of in your own yard" (by the way, we used to say that as boys).

However, history knows cases when signs, just invented for quick recognition of friends and foes, on the contrary, only misled people, which led to sad consequences.


Many strange customs have existed among warriors in the past. For example, it shows the ritual of touching the native land with the lips, in which the Flemish militias participated on the eve of the Battle of Courtras. Behind a variety of banners: weavers (6), Flanders (7), the city of Ghent (8), Ypres (9). The crossbowman (10) bears the coat of arms of Jean of Namur on his chest, and if so, it means that he is “his man”, armed and dressed with his money. Illustration from the book by Liliana and Fred Funkenov “Encyclopedia of weapons and military clothing. Middle Ages. Renaissance: Infantry. Cavalry. Artillery. M .: Astrel, 2002, p. 110

Battle of Barnet: "I don't know my own"


And there is no better example than the ever-memorable Battle of Barnet. And it so happened that in 1471 Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick, in the past a great friend and ardent supporter of King Edward VI, the head of the party of the House of York, opposed him, joining the enemy of Henry VI, the head of the party of the House of Lankester. The opposing armies met at Barnet, and the royal troops had an image of the rising sun of York as an emblem on their clothes; but Warwick's warriors were in red tunics, over which they wore something torn and shabby white. Moreover, it was matting and rags, although this is surprising, were precisely the two hallmarks of Lancaster.

At the same time, Warwick was joined by the troops of John de Vere, Earl of Oxford, whose identification mark was a silver star taken from the De Vere coat of arms. At the very moment of the battle, which took place in a foggy haze, de Vera's warriors put the Yorkists to flight. It remained only to finish them off, and for this to unite with the main forces of the Lancastrians. They made their way towards them, but Warwick's archers, due to poor visibility, mistook the star for the rising sun, thinking that they were being attacked by King Edward's men, and fired a volley of arrows at them. They decided that they had betrayed them, and what at first seemed like a victory, eventually ended in defeat. The Earl of Warwick was killed, and King Edward reached Tewkesbury and completed the defeat of King Henry's army there.

Personal recognition signs could take different forms: they could be robes painted in the characteristic coat of arms of the lords, although it also happened that these colors did not match those used in his coat of arms. It could have been chains around the neck. For example, a chain of two intertwined letters "Ss" of the house of Lancaster was used by King Henry IV, who, as a sign of his special favor, bestowed this heraldic decoration on his vassals. By the way, these chains are worn in England to this day, they have become a kind of accessory to the uniform of heralds and herald masters.

It is clear that not all monarchs were delighted with the fact that some representatives of the nobility dressed too many of their subjects in their clothes. They did not like it, first of all, because it was so convenient to disguise, let's say, the "illegal paramilitary formations" of these seniors. Therefore, by their decrees, they limited the wearing of distinctive signs and the number of their servants. For example, in the decree of King Richard II of 1390, it was explicitly said to be angry with those

"Who wear the insignia of the lords ... so bloated with arrogance that no fear stops them from extortion in their counties."


It was the kings and the highest nobility who set the precedent for uniforms in the army, when soldiers of their personal guard began to dress in the same clothes and with the same symbols. In this illustration you see: nobleman of the guard Francis I, 1520 (1), horseman of the guard Francis I, 1520 (2), Scottish archers of Henry II, 1559 (3-4), French and Scottish archer of the guard Francis I, 1520 (5-6), French and Scottish archer of the guard of Henry III, 1580 (7-8), standard of Francis I, 1515-1547 (9), standard of Henry II, 1547-1559 (ten). Illustration from the book by Liliana and Fred Funkenov “Encyclopedia of weapons and military clothing. Middle Ages. Renaissance: Infantry. Cavalry. Artillery. M .: Astrel, 10, p. 2002

He also issued a decree warning the lords against

"Presenting distinctive corporate marks to someone if that person is not a family servant who lives in the house."

Already during the reign of King Henry VII in 1495 and 1504, decrees were issued regarding even his closest and trusted friends. So, visiting John de Vere at Headingham Castle, Henry saw that he was leading him to the castle between two lines of countless servants, all of them dressed in the heraldic colors of their master. The king scolded de Vera for exceeding all the boundaries established by the king regarding the number of domestic servants and said:

“My lord, I have heard a lot about your hospitality, but I see that it is more talk ... I can no longer calmly endure the fact that my laws are being violated in front of my eyes. My attorney will speak to you. "

And soon, on the order of the king, a hefty fine was imposed on the too hospitable host. And the superintendent of finance, Fouquet, who met King Louis XIV too zealously at the castle of Vaux Le Viscount, fell into disgrace, was arrested and ended his years in prison! And it was not without reason that it was said:

"In caring for your neighbor, the main thing is not to overdo it!"
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  1. tlauicol
    tlauicol 22 February 2021 05: 49
    +10
    and then ensigns appeared, and then it began laughing
    Thanks to Vyacheslav for another colorful article!
    The ax-bearer number 2 is probably from the barber shop? And the rider with a crossbow has some kind of cockade on his hat (arrow), and we can already assume that he is a shooter
    1. Hantengri
      Hantengri 22 February 2021 11: 02
      +6
      Quote: Tlauicol
      And the rider with a crossbow has some kind of cockade on his hat (arrow),

      This is the last "patron". For yourself... )))
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 22 February 2021 17: 28
        +1
        Yeah, for now, he used it against himself. Try to shoot yourself with a bow. It's easier to stick it in your throat, if you disdain with a knife
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 22 February 2021 15: 10
      +4
      ... a kind of cockade on a hat (arrow


      Not, Ivan hi , his arrow went right through his head and he just can't take off his hat. laughing
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 22 February 2021 17: 57
        +2
        Quote: Sea Cat
        ... a kind of cockade on a hat (arrow


        Not, Ivan hi , his arrow went right through his head and he just can't take off his hat. laughing

        like in the mask show?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 22 February 2021 18: 12
          +2
          Like, although these medieval guys had a peculiar sense of humor ...

  2. Destiny
    Destiny 22 February 2021 05: 59
    +12
    Thanks for the article, as always interesting and informative!
    PS
    And then a local policeman walked down the street on a holiday and to those who did not have a flag in the morning - he reminded them: hang out.

    I don’t know, no one came here and didn’t remind them - they hung everything up themselves.
    1. depressant
      depressant 22 February 2021 09: 44
      +10
      Good morning everyone, colleagues!)))

      I don’t know, no one came here and didn’t remind them - they hung everything up themselves.

      Is this serious? )))
      It turns out that I don't know something about the USSR? I have visited many places, but I have never encountered the obligatory hanging of the flag on the house during the holiday.
      1. Destiny
        Destiny 22 February 2021 10: 05
        +12
        Seriously. On November 7 and Victory Day, many people hoisted a red flag on their houses or gates, no one obliged them. Rarely had a hammer and sickle, mostly just of red cloth. And now on holidays
        hang out, no one forbids. True, now more who served where, the Soviet Navy, Andreevsky, paratroopers there, all sorts of others, but there are enough Reds, and not only for the holidays, some constantly.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 22 February 2021 18: 43
          +3
          We are similar. In my village, 2 veterans hung out red flags on November 1997 in 7, and then it became a tradition for them: November 7 and May 1. Probably, it was like that for 10-12 years until they died. Now, some heir continues, but only for the May holidays. Many have become a tradition: to hang out the St. Andrew's flag or "Uncle Vasya"
      2. Phil77
        Phil77 22 February 2021 10: 45
        +12
        Good, and perhaps it's already day, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! As a child, I often went on vacation to the village, to see my aunt. So, their house was at the intersection of two streets, the last one. And on the wall of the house there was such metal crap. I asked my uncle. What is it? He replied that on holidays they fly a flag. But whether it was a duty or not, I don't know. Rather, it was a kind of involvement of people in the celebration, that's all. hi
        1. depressant
          depressant 22 February 2021 11: 21
          +5
          Good afternoon, Seryozha! love )))))
          What kind of night was it? It turns out that few people slept. In my neighborhood, a drug addict raged, sobbed, screamed, kicked into the walls so that the five-story building shook, you won't fall asleep here. I thought there would be victims. Nothing, nothing happened, the police did not come))) I managed to sleep for three hours. And with the flags, something became clear ...
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 22 February 2021 11: 26
            +5
            Damn, you’re not lucky with your house and neighbors! I really sympathize.
      3. Korsar4
        Korsar4 22 February 2021 12: 07
        +9
        We had. In a wooden house there is a place for a flag. For grandparents, it was the norm to hang out.
      4. Catfish
        Catfish 22 February 2021 15: 12
        +5
        Good afternoon, Lyudmila love ... I do not know who hung the flags with us, but on the morning of the holiday they were already hanging on all houses, it's like a bakery open in the morning, i.e. in the order of things.
      5. vladcub
        vladcub 22 February 2021 17: 44
        +5
        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I heard about this from my uncle, he lived somewhere near Tver (Kalinin) somewhere in the 50s, but there were not everyone in a row, but on the central street.
        In my childhood, on some houses, I saw metal pipes to put a banner in there, but I did not see people hanging out
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 22 February 2021 10: 01
      -1
      Quote: Destiny
      no one came here and reminded them - they hung everything up themselves.

      Didn't understand who hung it up and where?
      1. depressant
        depressant 22 February 2021 10: 40
        +2
        Colleague Mordvin, people say: in Soviet times, they hung flags on private houses during public holidays, and this was, as I understood it, a legal obligation. Or is it the initiative of local authorities?
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 22 February 2021 11: 16
          +8
          but people say: in Soviet times, they hung flags on private houses during public holidays, and this was, as I understood it, an obligation under the law.

          Flags were flown, but there was no such law. And it is not people who speak, but Shpakovsky.
          1. depressant
            depressant 22 February 2021 12: 05
            +5
            ... But with the flags, something became clear)))
            This I quote myself. So that's it. Once, towards the end of the 80s, for some reason I climbed into the closet. That wardrobe was Bulgarian, made of real wood. You hit it, and it sounds like the soundboard of a musical instrument. It was bought a long time ago, in the 80s these were no longer made, but they were already made from chipboard ...
            Well, I crawled into the closet, and my gaze slid over the top shelf, on which cuts lay in a pile - pieces of fabric. They always lay there, and rarely something was sewn from them, the era of buying ready-made things from speculators began. And there was a piece of bright scarlet calico among those cuts. I saw him many times, but it was the first time he interested me. I asked my mother for it. "Yes, take it!" -- she said. And I was a needlewoman about those times - I sewed, embroidered, knitted and crocheted, not like now)))
            I took that cut, folded it in half, cut out the neckline, cut off the excess on the sides, and I ended up with something like a nightdress. I sewed it, crocheted it all along the free edges with black "iris" threads with a lace binding, tried it on, girded with a thin black belt - gorgeous! Then they asked me where I "tore off" such a magnificent dress for myself ...
            I remembered about this dress only on the previous topic of Vyacheslav Olegovich, where patterns of military clothes were presented. But now I think: it is not for nothing that this piece of kumach lay in our closet for many years. So there were any movements of the city administration towards hanging flags on houses? But as they arose, they died out - the kumach was absolutely new! )))
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 22 February 2021 12: 50
              -1
              Quote: depressant
              So there were any movements of the city administration towards hanging flags on houses?

              I've never heard of that. And as for kumach, we had a store not far from our house, so there were always rolls of rags of all colors. I have never, due to my poor mind, understood who was buying them and why.
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 22 February 2021 16: 20
              +3
              Lyudmila Yakovlevna, Very often, up to the end of the 60s, and maybe even later, they bought not ready-made clothes, but a piece of fabric, from which then everything needed was lived in the studio or independently. I think these are the cuts you found in the closet. These are not blanks for sewing banners. The city administration placed fasteners for flags on buildings (primarily administrative ones, on industrial ones it was done by the administration of the enterprise), and the flags themselves were hung out before the holidays and removed after them. On private houses, this is a private initiative.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 22 February 2021 12: 42
          -5
          Quote: depressant
          people say: in Soviet times, they hung flags on private houses during public holidays

          Bullshit. I have never seen it.
          1. depressant
            depressant 22 February 2021 13: 12
            +2
            And then something else came to mind.
            During our Mundial, wealthy fans in a nearby ten-story building were hanging Russian flags on the loggias, and during the broadcast of football matches one could hear either an enthusiastic roar or a joint sorrowful groan.
            And after a while, there were reports in the press about the punishment of people for unauthorized hanging of the Russian flag on houses.
            The Internet was in full swing: Americans can, but we can’t, discriminate against patriotic feelings! In response to the needs of society in 2019, an explanation appeared about the use of the Russian tricolor at home.
            I quote:
            When using such a state symbol, one must be guided by the rules established by the Federal Constitutional Law of December 25, 2000 No. 1-FKZ "On the State Flag of the Russian Federation" (hereinafter - Law No. 1-FKZ). It contains a list of cases of mandatory use of the flag, and since 2008, it also provides for the free respectful use of the Russian tricolor by citizens, public associations, enterprises, institutions and organizations. Moreover, this use is possible not only on holidays, but also on any other day of the year, provided that it is not an outrage against the flag (Art. 9.1 of Law No. 1-FKZ).

            So, it is permissible without hindrance:

            hanging the country's flag on residential buildings and personal cars;
            place it in offices;
            bring to mass public events, etc.
            But one should remember about the criminal liability under Art. 329 of the Criminal Code for desecration of the flag of Russia.


            Time has passed. I don't see flags on the houses.
          2. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 22 February 2021 15: 10
            +5
            Bullshit. I have never seen it.

            Vladimir, we have known each other for a long time. drinks The colonel grandfather and the partisan grandmother hung out the Soviet flag on holidays, which he himself witnessed. yes
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 22 February 2021 16: 26
              +1
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              The colonel grandfather and the partisan grandmother hung out the Soviet flag on holidays, which he himself witnessed.

              Maybe, but I have never seen this.
        3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 12: 51
          +10
          Quote: depressant
          Colleague Mordvin, people say: in Soviet times, they hung flags on private houses during public holidays, and this was, as I understood it, a legal obligation. Or is it the initiative of local authorities?


          Hello!
          I want to start with something else, I want to post a selection of photographs of public transport in Moscow and Sverdlovsk (Yekaterinburg) equipped with flagpoles for two or three flags.





          Now about the flags on the houses.
          I tried my mother on this subject, she worked for me for the police for two decades.
          Surprised me by the fact that before May 1 and November XNUMX, they really did go, only not to communion houses, but to organizations and enterprises located along the route of the demonstrations. The question was not even about flags, but about the need for festive decoration of the facades of buildings and premises. The initiators of this wahanalia were local executive committees, which organized decorations on poles and fences, updated loudspeakers, lighting and stands. By the way, it was not the administration that paid for this, but the factories and enterprises of the city, which mobilized their resources. Was it formalized in a normative way, I think not! Since similar work, but in smaller volumes, was carried out before the New Year, at the last call, on September XNUMX and ... drum roll for "Trinity", "Easter" and "Christmas" !!!
          However, even today, all houses and poles on the routes of those times are equipped with flagpoles!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 February 2021 13: 49
            +2
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            However, even today, all houses and poles on the routes of those times are equipped with flagpoles!

            It is so, on the houses of the central streets and poles many flags were posted for the holidays.
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 22 February 2021 17: 42
            +2
            As a matter of fact, in many countries of the world on national holidays, public transport runs decorated with flags.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 22 February 2021 19: 48
              +3
              Not necessarily on holidays. In Catalonia, everything is hung with national flags. Separatists. what to take from them ... Except, perhaps, Figueiros, but it has its own "religion"
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 22 February 2021 20: 03
                +3
                And there are many holidays. While one passed, the other got close.
        4. vladcub
          vladcub 22 February 2021 19: 11
          +4
          "" initiative of local authorities "is probably the latter.
          I am interested in history, talked to many old people. I met even pre-revolutionary people, in my village there were 5 such people.
          Officially, there was no such law, but semi-officially ... God knows what could have been invented on the spot. Do you know the proverb: "make the fool pray to God"? As the old people told me: in 1937 in the regional center, someone zealous, was going to install weathercocks on all the roofs from the figures of the leaders. Have implemented or not, I do not know
    3. Richard
      Richard 22 February 2021 15: 18
      +5
      And then a local policeman walked down the street on a holiday and to those who did not have a flag in the morning - he reminded them: hang out.

      All his life he lived in a private house with a break of 30 years for an urgent term, VU and service, but never heard of such a thing
  3. Flooding
    Flooding 22 February 2021 07: 52
    +5
    Ooh. The topic is interesting, and the article is quite extensive.
    But there is not enough time in the morning.
    I caught myself only out of the corner of my eye for the "banner", and I thought: how good it is that our advertisers have adopted the English term, and not its Russian equivalent.
    I'll read it later with pleasure.
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 22 February 2021 08: 42
    -2
    And I managed to read it, despite the morning commotion (wife and son at work, daughter at school.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 22 February 2021 08: 48
      +6
      Leader, today is a day off belay Bring everyone back! bully
      Vyacheslav Olegovich - Thanks for the article hi I hope today we will see you in the comments, according to intelligence - the bath is over.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 22 February 2021 09: 01
        +3
        A scene in Bayeux Embroidery, depicting the moment of battle when Duke William takes off his helmet to be recognized, and Count Eustace, with a flag in his hand, points at him and shouts: "Here he is, William!"

        The case when embroiderers, willy-nilly, had to get acquainted with the details of armor and weapons.
        I wonder if they were embroidering from an image (reprint?), From nature, or was there an instructor from the squad nearby?
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 14: 28
          +5
          Quote: Flood
          The case when embroiderers, willy-nilly, had to get acquainted with the details of armor and weapons.
          I wonder if they were embroidering from an image (reprint?), From nature, or was there an instructor from the squad nearby?

          Uh-huh, "Lilies can't spin" M. Duron!
          A quick guide on how to nullify the European power if you are tired of crocheting !!!
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 22 February 2021 14: 52
            +3
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            Uh-huh, "Lilies can't spin" M. Duron!

            Druon.
            In my youth, the Cursed Kings were a revelation to me in some ways.
          2. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 22 February 2021 15: 08
            +7
            Uh-huh, "Lilies can't spin" M. Duron!

            Pavel Petrovich said something like that for the first time in our country. The main merit of Paul is that he produced so many descendants that the question of succession to the throne no longer arose. He also adopted the "Act of Succession", streamlining the procedure for accepting the throne ... and he also became the last victim of "palace coups" ... soldier
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 22 February 2021 09: 30
        +4
        In our family, holidays are like a wedding for a horse - the head is in flowers, and the feed is in soap! laughing
        A family in positions where the day off is "floating", and the daughter is preparing for the performance. So as anyone, but at home only me. And then, due to the fact that on vacation!)))
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 22 February 2021 09: 31
          +6
          Just about, I, for example, work tomorrow.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 12: 55
            +7
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Just about, I, for example, work tomorrow.

            And I don’t know what to write - as if on vacation, but I have to report the tiles in the bathroom, and this is worse than "work"! crying
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 22 February 2021 13: 01
              +8
              If you need information support, call WhatsApp. And it will come out like last time.
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 14: 25
                +3
                I ate the dog on this tile. Well, I embellished it so harshly. Qualitatively, it will not work out anyway, the main thing is not to fall off.
                I traveled all over Yekaterinburg today and found the cool glue CM-17. So the chances of not getting hit on the head with tiles in the bath are pretty high !!!
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 22 February 2021 14: 49
                  +2
                  In general, "Ceresit" has a good ruler for tiles, but I prefer "vetonite" in November.
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 22 February 2021 15: 06
                    +4
                    A scene in Bayeux Embroidery, depicting the moment of battle when Duke William takes off his helmet to be recognized, and Count Eustace, with a flag in his hand, points at him and shouts: "Here he is, William!"

                    It is interesting that an active participant in Wilhelm's campaign was Eustachius II, he was also "Eustachius Usatii", Count of Boulogne. This only confirms my theory about the time machine. request The mustache himself was depicted on the tapestry. laughing drinks

                    In short, I painted the "corsair". The quality is excellent and the painting was difficult. I'll post it in the evening, as decals will apply.
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 22 February 2021 20: 04
                      +5
                      Whom did you paint? What?
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2021 20: 15
                        +5
                        Oh, Sergei, everything is very simple, Nikolai glued the model of the F4u aircraft * Corsair *, and now he is painting it.
                      2. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 February 2021 20: 16
                        +4
                        And I remembered a joke about painting a cowboy horse.
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2021 20: 19
                        +5
                        Does he * apply decals * for a long time?
                        Then another one.
                      4. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 February 2021 20: 22
                        +5
                        The male company has solid advantages.
                        Matchmaker yesterday invited to vodka with jellied meat exclusively in the men's society. And I have a working day. But what's the idea.
                      5. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2021 20: 26
                        +4
                        There are many advantages. And I decided to move away from tradition and celebrate the holiday with ..... cake and tea. The cake is already in the refrigerator. So I decided to be original. Why not?
                      6. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 February 2021 20: 28
                        +4
                        Quite good.
                        Now my wife is engaged in cake.
                        Tea in the morning. Mark, and - to work.

                        And in the evening the men's company is planned.
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 22 February 2021 20: 16
                +5
                Here's to the upcoming, picture-postcard.
              3. Fat
                Fat 22 February 2021 22: 39
                +2
                What will happen?
                Life will show. The project is in progress.
                I already know the words within the framework. Not a freebie work. And if you choose a specific connection and God forbid the pilot, vaasche ...
        2. Fat
          Fat 22 February 2021 16: 17
          +4
          I see.
          I have Cosmophen in preference. It happened.
        3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 20: 30
          +3
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          In general, "Ceresit" has a good ruler for tiles, but I prefer "vetonite" in November.

          When I lay my daughter's apron, I will take detailed consultations from you! laughing
          There is a long-playing topic, some "hogs"! I didn't understand what the hogs were.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 22 February 2021 20: 37
            +4
            Small-format tiles, not yet a mosaic, but no longer a normal size. Nikolai made such an "apron". Ask him to throw off the picture.
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 22 February 2021 20: 37
            +4
            Hi Vlad, this is this! laughing
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 20: 50
              +3
              Damn, I'll die to lay it down!
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 22 February 2021 20: 53
              +4
              Vlad, Vlad! How did Liaxander Vasilich Suvorov say? About training and combat? And Buonaparte? The main thing is to get involved in the battle ...
              Or not him?
            3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 21: 14
              +3
              Quote: Phil77
              Vlad, Vlad! How did Liaxander Vasilich Suvorov say? About training and combat? And Buonaparte? The main thing is to get involved in the battle ...
              Or not him?

              I'm getting involved somewhere in life!
              My first personal experience was laying an apron in an old apartment in 2011. I cut the wall with an ax, primed it, laid the tiles and left for Moscow for advanced training. In the second week, the tile fell off amicably. Nobody told me that if there is even a drop of paint, the tile will bounce off. Now on my personal account two aprons and one bath! Although I really don't like working with cement. Brr.
            4. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 21: 17
              +4


              Off topic, but bragging.
          3. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 22 February 2021 21: 17
            +4
            Yeah
            "Hard in treatment - easy in a coffin" Paracelsus
      3. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 22 February 2021 20: 51
        +4
        It's even worse, these are "coffins"! negative
      4. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 21: 07
        +3
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        It's even worse, these are "coffins"! negative

        Buddy - reassured!
      5. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 22 February 2021 21: 15
        +4
        I can! laughing
        And it is really difficult to work with "coffins".
      6. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 21: 20
        +3
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        I can! laughing
        And it is really difficult to work with "coffins".

        You wouldn't know how!
      7. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 22 February 2021 21: 23
        +4
        There are tons of building skills that I'm not familiar with. For example, welding.
  5. Phil77
    Phil77 22 February 2021 21: 16
    +4
    Now I noticed. Why * coffins *? * Hog * is there, before such a tile was on the facade. Perhaps the local name?
  6. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 February 2021 21: 20
    +4
    Maybe local, St. Petersburg. And in Soviet times, any small tile was called "hog".
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 22 February 2021 15: 08
    +4
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Just about, I, for example, work tomorrow.

    Chudakov - Work Loves (s)!
    Without any personal collision, I just remembered the saying wink ... Greetings Anton hi
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 22 February 2021 17: 44
      +3
      The saying continues: "A weirdo - glad to work."
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 22 February 2021 17: 49
        +4
        Sergei soldier holiday greetings!
        Do not press on Anton's "corn" ... when All Men (Husbands and Ranks) - will gobble up "herring under a fur coat" with different drinks and receive Gifts. Anton - will work crying
        Anton - Your Health ... will be the fourth toastdrinks
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 22 February 2021 18: 28
          +4
          Thank! I had drinks yesterday.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 22 February 2021 18: 31
            +5
            drinks And with me - today! 22.02.12/23/XNUMX - A Man was born, My Son - Kirill Alekseevich !!! How well he was born, you can abuse ... tomorrow is still Day off, That's because Daddy's Gift - by February XNUMX !!! fellow
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 22 February 2021 18: 35
              +5
              Congratulations!
              My average day is March 8th.
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 22 February 2021 18: 52
                +5
                My Grandmother Leia (like a princess from Star Wars) Yakovlevna also has 8 March! A very beloved and harsh woman was, childishly upset - that they give only One gift request beat me once, when she "blew up" the stove with half a can of gunpowder (Dedovsky) repeat then she cried for a long time ... not to return what she had lived through, but it's a pity.
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 22 February 2021 19: 04
                +5
                So for 23 years, the ex-wife has been lamenting about this: "All congratulations on March 8, and my son's birthday!"
            2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 20: 33
              +3
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Congratulations!
              My average day is March 8th.

              Like my first general!
              Tomorrow I will make crafts for gifts. Three birthdays in a row. At the boss, at the subordinate and on March 7 at my beloved half!
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 22 February 2021 20: 06
            +3
            Congratulations! I have a son - on the Meeting (15th), and my second daughter - on the 25th. So before Lent, at least every day to walk.
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 22 February 2021 19: 05
        +4
        Happy New Year!

        As Vitsin said: “And smoked fish does not drink. Why should she drink? She herself is a snack. "
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 22 February 2021 17: 43
    +4
    And I have a day off today. No, I managed to work. But somehow rational. There are so many interesting things in the family.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 22 February 2021 18: 29
      +4
      Meanwhile, I remind you about the POZ ...
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 22 February 2021 19: 07
        +4
        Thank. True, I remember.

        Two extraordinary puzzles drew.
        And for distraction, I have a workplace. From 18-00.
        At home you can only think.
        But I have already coped with one problem at this stage.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 22 February 2021 19: 10
          +4
          Look at the mail, bragging about my successes.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 22 February 2021 19: 45
            +5
            Intrigued. Now.
          2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 20: 35
            +1
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Look at the mail, bragging about my successes.

            And I'm ashamed of Anton to show you the wall, you laugh. repeat
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 22 February 2021 20: 39
              +2
              I don’t laugh, you don’t do it for money, but “for the idea”
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 21: 06
                +2

                It's not even an idea.
                More than ten years ago, I hired a specialist and this particular bathtub was laid out with tiles. After a year, it began to crumble. Two walls on the foam block are normal, but two are not.
                After that, I don't trust the tilers at all. More precisely, I believe one thing - you!
                This year, one wall could not stand to take apart.
                On the advice of a specialist, a magnesium sheet was chosen as the base of the wall, and it was deformed and cracked. Also, the glue was not chosen correctly.
                I made one wall, if not crumbled, next year I will replace the second.
                With this hog and in truth it will be necessary to consult.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 22 February 2021 21: 12
                  +1
                  On the advice of a specialist, a magnesium sheet was chosen as the base of the wall, and it was deformed and cracked.
                  This is what I meant when I wrote "like last time", because you told me this ballad.
                2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 21: 23
                  +1
                  Now the base is normal moisture-resistant drywall.
                3. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 22 February 2021 21: 24
                  +2
                  Did you waterproof it?
                4. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 21: 55
                  +1
                  Yes! Moreover, its base was strengthened with a chipboard with a longitudinal and transverse set of logs. But I was afraid to glue the tiles to it, I screwed on the drywall.
                5. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 22 February 2021 21: 58
                  +2
                  Correct solution.
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 22 February 2021 21: 47
              +2
              I will reveal a terrible construction secret. The nearest place where normal moisture resistant drywall is sold is Lapenranta (Finland). Even paper is not moisture resistant in what we produce.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 22 February 2021 12: 09
    +5
    You will return everyone - there will be no free space.
  • Flooding
    Flooding 22 February 2021 09: 08
    +2
    The so-called "bas chevalier", a knight of a lower rank, a "knight of one shield," who carried a long pennant with one or more long triangular tails on a spear as a sign of his rank. The one who commanded the troops that day: a king, prince or duke, simply cut off the tails from the pennant of this brave knight and thus turned it into a banner bestowed right on the battlefield as a reward for bravery or other merits

    Every single-shielded knight had a pennant on his spear?
    I can hardly imagine this. Not too pompous?
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 February 2021 09: 38
    +7

    A very interesting miniature. Unfortunately, I could not determine which battle is depicted. However, I note that the reign of Alfonso X was not marked by significant victories over the Arabs.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 February 2021 10: 08
    +10
    Illustration from the manuscript "The Song of St. Mary", 1284
    By the way, "Cantigas de Santa María" is a unique document! There is probably no other manuscript with such a number of images of medieval musical instruments.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 22 February 2021 11: 28
      +9
      He is in the * bath *, but he is with us! wink Greetings Anton! hi
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 22 February 2021 11: 59
        +9
        Sergei! hi
        I know. However, I note that this does not interfere with the expression of gratitude.
        1. Richard
          Richard 22 February 2021 13: 29
          +8

          Woman-bearer, miniature from the beginning of the 1382th century. A phenomenon characteristic of the Middle Ages. The "weaker" sex not only carried its banner, like Big Margot - the Flemish lady in the Battle of Rosebec (1472), but also fought off the alien, like Jeanne Hachette during the defense of the city of Beauvais (XNUMX)
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 22 February 2021 15: 45
            +5
            Hello Dima! hi
            Obviously, the light image of these outstanding ladies inspired Eugene Delacroix to write his famous painting. smile

            1. Richard
              Richard 22 February 2021 16: 00
              +5
              Konstantin hi
              Some interesting things about "Marianne" Delacroix:
              1.Face for Marianne, Delacroix wrote from the French revolutionary Anna Charlotte
              2. The half-naked corpse of a young man in the picture, this is the deceased brother of Anna Charlotte. He is in one shirt, because the marauders stole the rest. So the artist shows how low a people can fall during social upheavals.

              3.Man with a gun and a top hat - a self-portrait of the artist himself. Although Delacroix did not take part in street clashes, he still wanted to be involved in the revolutionaries and supported their ideas, so he portrayed himself in the picture.

              4. A young man with two pistols inspired Victor Hugo and served as a prototype for Gavroche in Les Miserables.

              5. Painting "Marianne" by Eugene Delacroix, inspired the French sculptor Frederic Bartholdi to create the famous "Statue of Liberty".
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 22 February 2021 16: 36
                +7
                Near the "Statue of Liberty" there is clearly not enough vyunosh with two revolvers. laughing

                1. Astra wild2
                  Astra wild2 22 February 2021 21: 26
                  +2
                  With Colt revolvers. Or one Colt and the other Smith Weson?
                  But seriously: could it be that a person has revolvers of different systems?
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 22 February 2021 21: 38
                    +2
                    Well, why not? Didn't everyone run with a service officer?
                    1. Astra wild2
                      Astra wild2 23 February 2021 08: 03
                      +1
                      Good morning. Sergei, generally speaking, cowboys are never military -1.
                      At that time in America, the concept of "service weapon" was conditional. Read "People and Weapons"
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 23 February 2021 08: 11
                        +1
                        Moreover, it's not surprising that the * shepherd * has revolvers of different systems. I don't know from which movie this shot is, but it is likely that this * vyunush with revolvers * is a robber. And never a cowboy / how romantic it sounds! /.
                      2. Astra wild2
                        Astra wild2 23 February 2021 09: 09
                        +1
                        If you think about it, cowboys are not the most respectable citizens.
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 23 February 2021 09: 27
                        0
                        Ha! And let's call * respectable citizens * of the times of the development of * the wild West *? Your word?
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 22 February 2021 22: 15
                +3
                In the left hand, for sure, the Colt Official Police cal. 38 (created for the army).



                In his right hand, it seems, is a Colt Single Action Army of 1873, caliber .45 Long Col, which is popularly known as "Peacemaker" and "Frontier" (barrels of different lengths).

                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 23 February 2021 08: 29
                  +1
                  Man, what movie is this shot from? The guy's face is very familiar.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 23 February 2021 09: 24
                    +1
                    I don't know, but the movie is obviously very old, look at the clothes.
                  2. Phil77
                    Phil77 23 February 2021 09: 30
                    +1
                    The guy has a subtle resemblance to Brendan Fraser / * The Mummy * -1,2,3 /. Perhaps his daddy?
                  3. Catfish
                    Catfish 23 February 2021 10: 21
                    +1
                    Damn, I have not seen any "Mummy", neither the first nor the last.
                    Have you seen the Greyhound? What movie?
                  4. Phil77
                    Phil77 23 February 2021 11: 17
                    +1
                    Nope, what's the movie? laughing
                  5. Catfish
                    Catfish 23 February 2021 11: 30
                    +1
                    I don’t know, they advised me.
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 23 February 2021 11: 20
                  +1

                  Here is Fraser, in the first part. There are similarities.
                3. Catfish
                  Catfish 23 February 2021 11: 31
                  +1
                  Well, I don’t know, the same smooth, well-fed muzzle.
                4. Phil77
                  Phil77 23 February 2021 11: 33
                  +1
                  Oh! To the point! Although according to the plot he was sitting in an Egyptian jail!
                5. Catfish
                  Catfish 23 February 2021 11: 35
                  +1
                  He apparently had a separate table ... and a chair too. laughing
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 22 February 2021 21: 22
    +2
    Dmitry "Richard" I read somewhere that Marianne is not a completely fictional person. There really was some kind of participant Mariana
    1. Richard
      Richard 22 February 2021 21: 43
      +3
      With the fall of the monarchy as a result of the French Revolution of 1789, it was time for other state symbols. The former were abolished, and the new ones were required not to remind in any way of monarchs and tyranny, but, on the contrary, to personify the republic and its ideals, including the motto "Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood". By the decision of the National Assembly, the image of a woman with a spear in her hand and wearing a "Jacobin cap" or a Phrygian cap appeared on the new state seal. Such a headdress was worn in the Roman era by freed slaves.
      Why Marianne? In those years, a song was very popular among the people, the heroine of which bore this name. One way or another, and among common women - peasants, maids - then it was Marie and Anna that most often met, therefore the combination of the two most common names into one perfectly continued the ideas of the people's revolution. The image of Marianne not only adorned the new state seal, but also gave artists and sculptors a powerful source of inspiration
  • depressant
    depressant 22 February 2021 13: 37
    +7
    I support, colleagues! And from the bottom of my heart I express my gratitude - both to the one who is thanked and to those who thank love ))))
  • Phil77
    Phil77 22 February 2021 14: 02
    +6
    Did I mind?
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 22 February 2021 13: 54
    +5
    Quote: Phil77
    He is in the * bath *, but he is with us!

  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 22 February 2021 21: 29
    0
    You are a little "behind": Vyacheslav Olegovich has a deadline until February 22
  • Richard
    Richard 22 February 2021 13: 35
    +7
    Battle of Bosworth

    1485, Battle of Bosworth Field. The English king Richard III, surrounded by his retinue, broke through to the positions of the enemy - Henry Tudor. The attack was stopped in time, the king hacked to death, presumably by a Welsh halberdier. Percival Thirlwall, Richard's standard-bearer, held out to his ruler until his death. According to legend, he, deprived of both legs, held the banner in an upright position until his last breath.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 22 February 2021 14: 06
      +7
      Greetings Dmitry, but his grave was found in 2015?
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 22 February 2021 14: 22
        +5
        Yes! Wrong with the dates. This reburial happened in 2015. recourse
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 22 February 2021 14: 11
      +6
      Hello Dmitry!
      Richard is too handsome here. An autopsy of his grave in 2011 confirmed the severe curvature of the spine of the last Platangenet. Sirech, he was a hunchback.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 14: 34
        +6
        If you believe the "Legend of the Battle of Kulikovo", in our national history there was an equally dramatic case when the Tatars cut a large regiment to the banner and "cut it down". True, they were exposed to the blow of the ambush regiment and were defeated.
        Dmitry Donskoy was later found under a felled birch in the clothes of a simple warrior. The boyar to whom he gave his princely armor perished. I forgot the name.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 22 February 2021 15: 16
          +8
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          I forgot the name.

          Mikhail Brenko. smile Now it is difficult to separate legendary information from real events. But the fact that Dmitry was directly involved in the battle, that is, his personal courage, no one seems to deny. Oleg Dvurechensky, and behind him Klim Zhukov, believe that the Battle of Kulikovo was a series of horse fights without the participation of the infantry, with such a concept Dmitry's exit in the clothes of a simple warrior in the front ranks is doubtful. It is more likely that Dmitry was knocked off his horse during the next attack. Replacing the armor before the battle is also unlikely - the armor is still a purely individual thing, and Dmitry was a fairly large man. Most likely, he fought in his armor - it is more comfortable, and, of course, safer.
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 22 February 2021 15: 24
        +6
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        he was a hunchback

        A bit wrong, Anton. He really suffered from scoliosis, but this scoliosis was ... how to say ... smile Damn, I can't think of words. In short, it was, like "horizontal", that is, not a hump, but one shoulder above the other. With the appropriate selection of clothes of a special cut, as well as through numerous special trainings, this flaw in his figure was largely hidden and almost invisible to an outside observer. Richard was an excellent warrior, he sat perfectly in the saddle, could ride on horseback for a long time.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 22 February 2021 15: 40
          +6
          Well, I won't argue, my knowledge of osteopathy is a little less than none.
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 22 February 2021 15: 45
            +7
            Mine too. I use purely historical sources. Recently, a book by Helen Brown about Richard III was published, it discusses in detail the issues of his appearance, quotes from the memoirs of his contemporaries. By the way, the book is written much more discreetly than I expected. Brown's lectures are much more emotional and less objective. smile
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 22 February 2021 15: 50
              +6
              Now I am reading Regine Pernu "Alienora Aquitaine". It is also an emotional work from a professional historian. But for its time (1965) - a breakthrough!
        2. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 22 February 2021 21: 12
          0
          "Ie not a hump", but a hump is visible on the skeleton?
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 23 February 2021 11: 12
            0
            Contemporaries did not say anything about Richard's hump. Just one shoulder is slightly higher than the other, but he tried to hide this flaw in every possible way, wearing special clothes and shoes. The hump is an invention of subsequent Tudor historians who defamed Richard in every possible way.
    3. Phil77
      Phil77 22 February 2021 14: 18
      +7


      A little about the opening of the burial.
      1. depressant
        depressant 22 February 2021 15: 16
        +3
        Poor Richard! Scoliosis is understandable. Probably read a lot. And the worms - and where could he pick them up? ))))
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 22 February 2021 15: 33
          +6
          How where? From unwashed hands in field conditions! laughing
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 22 February 2021 15: 38
        +5
        Quote: Phil77
        A little about the opening of the burial.

        If my memory is cheating on me, then Richard was diagnosed with haplogroup G2, which surprised everyone a lot. smile
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 22 February 2021 15: 45
          +4
          A little more detail, please, Mikhail?
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 22 February 2021 15: 52
            +7
            More details why surprised? Does not match the haplogroup of the official descendants of John of Gaunt. Either Richard is not Plantagenet by blood, or the descendants of John of Gaunt are not his descendants.
            Well, if you look at the center of the spread of this haplogroup, it becomes generally fun - there is the Caucasus, basically. Georgians, Ossetians ... But the founder of the Plantegenets, Geoffroy Handsome, was blond ... smile
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 22 February 2021 15: 51
          +6
          Oh, Mikhail, I don't know about that.
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 22 February 2021 15: 58
            +5
            You can see more here.
            https://polit.ru/article/2014/12/07/ps_richard/
            And the fact that he has exactly G2 is a fact.
        3. Phil77
          Phil77 22 February 2021 15: 56
          +4
          Googled. Do you mean that it is inherent in the representatives of the Middle East?
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 22 February 2021 16: 02
            +8
            More to the Caucasus, sort of like. It turns out funny - the English king is a descendant of some Goga or Ashot ...
            How not to recall the anecdote about Rabinovich and the English lord.
            "He sleeps with my wife, and I with him. But I make lords for him, and he gives me Jews." smile
    4. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 22 February 2021 18: 41
      +3
      Quote: Richard
      1485, Battle of Bosworth Field.

      The picture from the point of view of compliance with historical realities is so-so.
      As far as I remember, Richard in battles always fought with a two-handed heavy ax. In his last battle, he went out equipped in a battle helmet, on which a golden crown was fixed. The horse under Richard was killed, and he continued to fight on foot on the edge of a small swamp, to which he was pressed. The fatal blow, which he received - yes - with a halberd, also cut the crown on his helmet, which then Lord Stanley, who had betrayed the king on the battlefield, found and placed on the head of Henry Tudor (the latter, perhaps, a legend). But it is known for sure that Richard was not fighting alone, his entire retinue was with him, these are about a hundred knights clad in steel - elite fighters and noble lords, and there were many bodies at the site of his last battle, it was cramped there. Richard personally, by the way, killed the standard-bearer Henry, forgot the name of this knight, and, apparently, he did not have enough to get to Henry himself.
      1. Richard
        Richard 22 February 2021 20: 49
        +2
        ... Computer reconstruction of Richard III's face was performed in plastic ...



        Here is a medieval depiction of Richard III of York (1452-1485), the Plantagenet king of England, who ruled 1483-1485, at the final stage of the Wars of the Scarlet and White Roses


        The similarities are noticeable.
        On my own behalf, Michael, I want to add that modern English historians have come to the conclusion that the personality of Richard III, like his biography, has become overgrown with many myths and slander. For centuries it was believed that the image of the last Plantagenet was the personification of evil and cruelty. In many ways, this judgment was imposed by the chroniclers of the Tudor dynasty that came to the throne.
        Formed an unsightly portrait of Richard by the Lord Chancellor of England Thomas More. He was followed by Shakespeare, who added artistic fiction to Richard's story: the classic stamped the king as a child killer and poisoner of his wife. In the play "Richard III" the playwright shows a true monster in human form - an evil ugly hunchback, cunning and cruel.
        In 2015, the remains of Richard were reburied in a solemn atmosphere and the king himself was officially posthumously rehabilitated.
        1. Richard
          Richard 22 February 2021 20: 53
          +3
          Richard III's signature

          and its seal
        2. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 23 February 2021 11: 16
          +2
          In England, Richard has long been considered a monster. Even Shakespeare's plays are published there with a special remark, they say, "does not correspond to historical reality." smile
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 22 February 2021 21: 06
        +1
        "killed the standard-bearer Henry" however, the fight was not a joke and, perhaps, only a chance saved the Tudors.
        Who buried him in the altar? Are the enemies?
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 23 February 2021 11: 20
          +2
          His body, which was still thoroughly mocked, was brought to the nearest monastery, where it was put on public display - this was the practice of that time to avoid impostors. There he was buried, it is difficult to say, in the altar or just in the narthex. Nothing remained of the monastery. He was buried, of course, by monks.
  • Richard
    Richard 22 February 2021 13: 52
    +6
    Descriptions of battles of all eras are full of episodes when individual heroes cut through to the enemy's banners and took possession of them (or died while trying to capture), which was encouraged in every possible way (capture, not death during an attempt to capture) in all armies. At the same time, simple logic says that the standard-bearer cannot fully defend or attack - his hands are busy. Or at least one. And the banner must not be let go - the whole campaign may be embarrassed.
    Fragment of the picture: Horse Guards took possession of the standard of Napoleon's army. Small victory of the Russian army in a big defeat at Austerlitz (1805)
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 22 February 2021 14: 14
      +5
      Unfortunately, this was the case.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 22 February 2021 14: 47
        +5
        But the fate of this banner is very difficult. This battalion participated in the defense of the Brest Fortress, the last surviving soldiers hid the banner, but the Germans found it. Just for propaganda purposes, this photo was taken.
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 22 February 2021 20: 37
          0
          Sergei, forgive me, but "this battalion participated in the defense of the Brest Fortress" I do not agree.
          1) the fortress was defended by many, and not one rifle battalion
          2) about this banner. They hid him in the "red corner" of the barracks. From the window of the room where the banner was kept, the machine gunner fired back to the last. When the fire stopped, the Germans went inside and noticed a pile of bricks. True, there is another version: on the first day of the war, recruits from the western regions of Ukraine and Belarus fled to the Germans. They then suggested where the NKVD barracks and their headquarters were. So I heard from the future father-in-law.
          It seems that the banner of a howitzer regiment was found in the 60s
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 22 February 2021 20: 48
            +2
            Vera! I wrote SPECIFICALLY about the picture, the banner on it is the 132nd separate battalion of the NKVD convoy troops. That the fortress was defended not only by this battalion, I know. It is about a specific picture and a specific banner.
            1. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 22 February 2021 21: 31
              0
              Sorry. Was wrong
          2. Richard
            Richard 22 February 2021 21: 27
            +3
            Sergei, forgive me, but "this battalion participated in the defense of the Brest Fortress" I do not agree.

            That is, you say that the 132nd NKVD OBKV did not participate in the defense of the Brest Fortress? belay Yes, no one needs your consent. Facts are facts
            What's this?!!!



            The 132nd OBKV NKVD held the defenses on the Pogranichny island in the Terespol fortification of the Brest fortress on the western bank of the Western Bug until the last and died heroically
            Today, on the tablets of the military memorial located in the Brest Fortress, only twenty four the names of the soldiers and sergeants of the 132nd separate battalion of the convoy troops of the NKVD of the USSR. Instead of the date of death for all: "Killed in June 1941."
            But these are only those whose names the staff of the Brest Hero-Fortress Museum-Memorial managed to establish. All the rest, including officers, are still unknown heroes with rare exceptions - without names and military ranks.
            To survive (and even then by a miracle) in the heat of the battles of the summer of forty-first and to reach Victory were lucky only to a few of the soldiers of the one hundred and thirty-second separate escort. Four of them - D.F. Kozhanov, V.F. Sevruk, N.A. Tokarev and A.P. Chubarov - in 1966, thanks to the works of Brest local historians, they first met in the fortress after a quarter of a century apart ...
            1. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 22 February 2021 21: 35
              0
              I did not say that. I just said that it was not only 132 battalion that defended the fortress
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 22 February 2021 21: 49
                +2
                Indistinctness in the wording.
                1. Richard
                  Richard 22 February 2021 23: 53
                  +2
                  But somehow you, Vera, did not formulate it very correctly.
                  Forgive me for being too harsh, I am biased in this matter - during the defense of the Brest fortress, the elder brother of my wife's grandfather, a Red Army soldier, a shooter of the 4th division, went missing. 1st St. 2nd Wed 132nd OBKV NKVD Nikolay Semenovich Kuzmin, born in 1921
                  1. Richard
                    Richard 23 February 2021 00: 24
                    +3
                    From the book of R.V. Aliyev "Brest Fortress ..."
                    "... The 132nd separate battalion of the NKVD convoy troops was redeployed to the fortress in April 1940. On the very first day of the war, June 22, 1941, the unit's leadership was cut off from the personnel (since everyone lived in the city of Brest), and from only the deputy political instructor of the 132nd battalion Shiman Markusovich Shneiderman (1920-1941) remained senior in rank in the Terespol fortification, and he led the defense.
                    The soldiers of the 132nd battalion of the NKVD fought stubbornly with the enemy, although every hour and day they became less and less. On June 30, one of the battalion fighters makes his way to the location of our 333rd Infantry Regiment, who reports that the wounded Shneiderman was captured by the Germans, only forty-eight people were able to hold weapons, Sergeant Novikov took command of the battalion, and asks for only one thing - weapons and cartridges. Realizing that it was almost impossible to get out of the encircled fortress, Sergeant Novikov decided to hide the unit's banner so that the Germans would not get it. The banner and KK of the perished are hidden in the chimney of the second floor, covering it with bricks ...

                    On July 2, when the sounds of battle from the Terespol fortification stopped, we - the remnants of the 33rd joint venture realized that they were left alone and decided to go for a breakthrough ..... "

                    On July 10, 1941, the 132nd separate battalion of the NKVD was expelled from the active army as "killed in action."
                    .......
                    And after the war, the famous inscription on the wall, left by one of the defenders of the fortress, will be discovered:

                    I am dying, but I am not giving up! Goodbye Homeland! July 20, 1941 "
                    And it was left just in the barracks, where the heroic battalion was located. On the Internet, I found information that it was made by a soldier of the 132nd NKVD battalion, private Fyodor Ryabov. However, this is just speculation, because the exact name of the hero cannot be determined.
      2. Richard
        Richard 22 February 2021 15: 00
        +7
        Sergey, good afternoon. hi
        Unfortunately, there was such a thing. But we know exactly how this banner got to the Nazis - it was not captured by them in battle, but was found hidden by the last surviving defenders of the fortress.
        There are many other episodes in the history of the Russian army:
        On the Inkerman Heights on October 24, 1854, in a battle for a battery, the flag bearer of the Okhotsk regiment died, and the army banner fell to the British. Non-commissioned officers Barabashev and Ignatiev, breaking into the very thick of the enemy, snatched the shrine from the enemy's hands and saved him.

        In the battle near Mukden, in the winter of 1905, part of the 162nd Akhaltsykh Infantry Regiment was surrounded by the Japanese. The battle banner was in the consolidated company, under the command of Captain Zhirnov. When he broke out of the encirclement, realizing the danger of the situation, he gave the order to the flag bearer Grishanov to remove the banner from the pole and hide it, and he himself, distracting the enemy, rushed in the opposite direction with a raised shaft and was killed in a firefight. Grishanov managed to hide the cloth on his chest under his greatcoat, and once captured, keep it and hand it over to Lieutenant Khondazhevsky. For eight and a half months, the lieutenant hid the banner, sewn it up into a blanket and then into the lining of his coat. Returning to his homeland, Khondazhevsky handed over the banner to the Military Department. So the honor of the regiment was saved. For this feat, Zhirnov, Grishanov and Khondazhevsky were forever included in the lists of the 162nd Akhaltsykh Infantry Regiment

        A glorious tradition - loyalty to the battle banner, the readiness to defend it was inherited and even increased after the revolution in the Red Army and in the Soviet Army. During the war years, the red banner was defended and saved not only by soldiers, but also by ordinary civilians, including children. A huge number of such feats were accomplished during that period. But this story deserves a separate article.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 22 February 2021 15: 31
          +4
          I really like these photos!

          1. Richard
            Richard 22 February 2021 15: 46
            +4
            And like apophiosis




        2. Korsar4
          Korsar4 22 February 2021 20: 42
          +2
          Great stories.
      3. Catfish
        Catfish 22 February 2021 15: 48
        +5
        Hello, Sergey. hi I remember this more.

  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 14: 18
    +8
    Quote: depressant
    Time has passed. I don't see flags on the houses.

    Come on, last year I got into the fashion trend and put on a 6-meter flagpole. So far, the truth has not raised anything, but on Victory Day I will definitely raise the banner of victory.
    1. depressant
      depressant 22 February 2021 15: 19
      +5
      Victory Day is worth it! love
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 22 February 2021 15: 26
        +8

        -Not early?
        -Fine! wink soldier
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 22 February 2021 20: 43
          +1
          Sergei, although I am Soviet, I like the current name better: everyone defended their homeland: both the military and purely peaceful people
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 22 February 2021 21: 03
            +2
            And I like the old name of this holiday.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 22 February 2021 22: 08
              +2
              Exactly 30 years ago, I tried to congratulate George W. Bush on this holiday.
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 22 February 2021 23: 52
                +3
                Did you throw the felt boot?
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 23 February 2021 06: 16
                  +2
                  Six months were left before my "dungeons".
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 23 February 2021 15: 50
                  +2
                  To one of the best archive researchers!
                  Sergey! Happy Holidays!
                  wink
  • Richard
    Richard 22 February 2021 14: 29
    +9
    .... The one who commanded the troops that day: a king, prince or duke, simply cut off the tails from the brave knight's pennant and thus turned it into a banner bestowed right on the battlefield as a reward for displayed courage ...

    The author's phrase intrigued. I went online and here's what I found:
    Structure of the English nobility
    I. Royal House
    II. Peers (peerage)
    Highest titled English nobility. Subdivided into five grades (listed in descending order of nobility)
    Duke
    Marquis (marquess)
    Earl. By no means count is the title of the European continental aristocracy; although the wife of an English count will still be a countess
    Viscount
    Baron
    III. Knights
    Lower titled English nobility
    Members of orders of chivalry - the highest degree of chivalry
    Knight Banneret - The second degree of knighthood. To this degree, the knight was produced on the battlefield for outstanding courage, tearing off the "tongues" of his flag (pennon), which thus turned into a banner... After the reign of Elizabeth I, this knightly degree almost ceased to exist. The last knight-standard-bearer was Colonel John Smith in 1642, who repulsed the royal standard of Charles I from the enemy at the Battle of Edgehill.
    Knight Bachelor - The lowest degree of knighthood. Historically, these were, as a rule, young knights who did not belong to any of the knightly orders and did not have the right to unfold their own banner.
    IV. Baronets
    The title of baronet originated initially as one of the degrees of knight baronet. It was established by James I in 1611 to raise money for the defense of Ulster by selling patents. Subsequently, the title ceased to be knightly. The baronet is also not a peer, as a result of which he does not have a seat in the House of Lords in the English Parliament, but this title (unlike knightly) is inherited.
    V. Untitled Nobility:
    Esquire - in a broad sense, the concept means a non-titled nobleman.
    Squire - The title is unofficial, but widespread. Historically, it meant a knightly squire, but since the end of the XNUMXth century, relatively large landowners, who were the informal "first persons" in a particular rural area, began to be called so. In a narrow sense, an untitled landowner.
    link: https://www.diary.ru/~kxena/p163655766.htm?oam

    Vyacheslav was right hi , but I should not have doubted. This is what it means never a nobleman smile
    1. depressant
      depressant 22 February 2021 15: 28
      +6
      It is also pronounced Esq.
      Then the concept of "Esquire" became the official title for justices of the peace, some officials, lawyers and some others in the UK and USA.
      1. Fat
        Fat 22 February 2021 17: 41
        +6
        Interestingly, the greedy eccentric gold digger Trelawney squire
        Sorry.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 22 February 2021 17: 47
          +6
          And the fact that the tavern "Admiral Benbow" is located in such a remote place that you don't see fishermen every day, nevertheless it is flourishing, isn't it interesting?
          1. Fat
            Fat 22 February 2021 17: 55
            +4
            Sometimes I track. Brand everything! I'm not at all sure that there is a place for a backwater on the island. All are not the Kirov region.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 22 February 2021 17: 58
              +3
              During the events described, it was.
              1. Fat
                Fat 22 February 2021 23: 37
                +2
                I'm not sure, Bro. Systemically bad place, look at the map. There, everyone tried to sell their swag (((((
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 22 February 2021 23: 45
                  +2
                  That's it! It appears that "Admiral Benbow" was a transit base for smugglers, and Trelawney and Livesey "covered" them.
                  1. Fat
                    Fat 23 February 2021 01: 26
                    +2
                    What no matter it was, but to Dr. Livesey .. very respectful.
                    Our adventurer, either from the Celts, or even a Russian rogue
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        3. depressant
          depressant 22 February 2021 18: 01
          +5
          Quote: Thick
          Interestingly, the greedy eccentric gold digger Trelawney squire
          Sorry.

          Why are you apologizing, Andrei Borisovich? )))
          It was not you who elevated him to Esquire, but the writer)))
          1. Fat
            Fat 22 February 2021 18: 12
            +3
            So I remembered the cartoon about 33 parrots.
            And the company is always a little slow.
            1. depressant
              depressant 22 February 2021 18: 36
              +4
              Don't be shy! )))
              I have a completely different idea of ​​you as a moral person who always speaks to the point and expresses his thoughts in an interesting way. But what does Squire Trelawney from Stevenson's novel have to do with 33 Parrots? Can't fold wassat )))
              1. Fat
                Fat 22 February 2021 18: 50
                +4
                I will answer. Each case should have a measure and each campaign should have a Mass, I often feel like an Elephant. With info but not with work.
                So I noticed.
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 22 February 2021 20: 13
                  +4
                  So he is in "Parrots" - the most charming. I've always liked it.

                  And a favorite episode is a sophisticated question: How many coconuts are in a bunch?
              2. Fat
                Fat 22 February 2021 19: 05
                +4
                None. By reference only has. Therefore, I apologize
                1. depressant
                  depressant 22 February 2021 19: 15
                  +4
                  You see what a difficult person you are!
                  (((( belay ))))
                  1. Fat
                    Fat 22 February 2021 19: 22
                    +4
                    I will be silent. I learned so many new words. Sincerely deepest recognition, your honest admirer
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 22 February 2021 19: 51
                      +4
                      And I learned that the pennant and the standard are vexillums, and now I am painfully thinking: and where can this be useful to me? wassat )))
                      You talk to one of your neighbors and casually: "What kind of vexillums do you have, my dear?" A plumber neighbor, wrinkling his forehead painfully: "You mean bills?" Hmmm ... I will not torment the neighbors with such questions, I am not cruel. Otherwise, someone will also ask something special in revenge - about some mechanical assembly)))
                      1. Fat
                        Fat 22 February 2021 21: 08
                        +3
                        I drew my Pennant for us in the late 90s - a cat, with a fish in its paws, though black and red, colleagues from Beeline naturally appropriated this for themselves, after a year we had nothing and a blue gram for 10 years pleased people with our product
                      2. vladcub
                        vladcub 23 February 2021 12: 03
                        +1
                        To court them. Don't fig intellectual property tyrit
                      3. Fat
                        Fat 23 February 2021 14: 43
                        +2
                        On a bee, take a look and rate our chances of success. Although it is surprising that such a thought did not immediately resist them.
                        There is an ancient sim card, somewhere in the killed devices that the grandchildren use in the game in the store. Just a stylized bee not the best graphics.
                  2. Richard
                    Richard 22 February 2021 21: 37
                    +3
                    And I learned that the pennant and the standard are vexillums, and now I am painfully thinking: and where can this be useful to me?

                    bookplate for your home library hi .
                  3. Fat
                    Fat 22 February 2021 21: 51
                    +2
                    Don't be a snob, Bro, if there is reason for an ex-libris ... Thousands many at hand
                  4. Richard
                    Richard 23 February 2021 01: 05
                    +3
                    Andrei hi
                    Yes, what a hell of a snob, we were still making ex-libris stamps from raw potatoes in elementary school at labor lessons with our own hands smile

                  5. Fat
                    Fat 23 February 2021 01: 35
                    +1
                    That's about whether there would be books, and any bear organizes tags a mile away.
                    No offense to you, colleague
                  6. Phil77
                    Phil77 23 February 2021 17: 38
                    +2
                    Oh, Dmitry! I looked at your creation and you know what came to mind IMMEDIATELY? Viktor Singer's goalkeeper mask.

                    Do not be offended even once! This is praise!
                  7. Richard
                    Richard 23 February 2021 17: 58
                    +2
                    Happy holiday, Sergey! hi drinks
                    Do not be offended even once! This is praise!

                    The Singer mask looks a lot like an excilibris potato picture from the Internet. You have a tenacious look good Probably our last name had a hand in this yes
                    Yes, yes it is from the Internet. This is not my job. As schoolchildren, we made potato excilibrises much more interesting - with the text cut out on the potatoes through the mirror.
                    depressant (lyudmila yakovlevna kuznetsova): And I learned that the pennant and the standard are vexillums, and now I am painfully thinking: and where can this be useful to me?

                    Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I suggested ex-libris as an option, because the words ex-libris and vexillum come from the same root
                    Happy Holidays !!
                  8. Phil77
                    Phil77 23 February 2021 18: 03
                    +3
                    Eh, you had a good * trudovik *, and we either made stools, or blanks / heads / for a hammer with a file and a hacksaw for metal.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 22 February 2021 19: 25
    +5
    In Oh, with "recovery".
    1. Fat
      Fat 22 February 2021 19: 48
      +2
      A little missed, but grateful. 26 limit. We must organize ourselves as a sapiens. Not cattle) ((((
    2. kalibr
      22 February 2021 19: 55
      +4
      Ha! Thank you Svyatoslav! You know everything about me. Not even interesting!
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 20: 42
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        Ha! Thank you Svyatoslav! You know everything about me. Not even interesting!

        The appearance of Christ, tfu, tfu, tfu of the Author - to the people!
        Glad to read you Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        1. kalibr
          22 February 2021 20: 55
          +5
          Yes, it was funny to read you all, but to be in the position of a tongueless monkey. But I wrote a lot. Even on Truth. And then after a long break, my material "Drones and balconies. Delivery revolution" came out. And also Tekhnika-Youth "decided to publish a new magazine" Unknown History "and I was offered to cooperate with it. And ... I will! By the way, I take this opportunity to invite you all to read it when it comes out. Well, I'll write more about it later. ..
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 22 February 2021 21: 35
            +4
            The Pythagoreans remained silent longer.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 23 February 2021 07: 03
              +3
              Happy Holidays Sergey!

              Pure vintage!
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 23 February 2021 07: 39
                +2
                Thank you, Seryozha!
                Happy holiday!
              2. depressant
                depressant 23 February 2021 08: 49
                +5
                Seryozha !!!!! ))))
                Quote: Phil77
                Happy Holidays Sergey!

                Pure vintage!


                This is pure arbitrariness! )))
                Defenders cannot be without defenders!
                Congratulate me too!
                And I congratulate all those present on the Day of the Soviet Army and the Navy, as well as on the Defender of the Fatherland Day!
                After all, you can defend without even having been in the army, but simply because you are an engineer, turner, locksmith, builder, farmer, representative of other useful activities - the whole country is working to defend the country!
                Happy holiday, dear friends! love ))))
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 23 February 2021 09: 14
                  +2
                  Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I’m sorry, sorry, I forgot that you are the daughter of an officer of the indestructible and legendary Soviet army, therefore ... this is your holiday! My congratulations! To you!
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 23 February 2021 09: 31
                    +4
                    Thank you, Seryozha!))))
                    It's sad somehow. Father left early. Rather, he was "gone". Well, okay ... Many fell innocently in the 90s. I would not want to talk about it, it turned out by itself.
                    As a sign of friendship and gratitude to you ----------
                    drinks )))))
                    There is coffee in glasses))))
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 23 February 2021 09: 34
                      +3
                      It's amazing. I'm also drinking coffee at this moment. And for the evening I have a cake ... with tea. Everything is original, just like an Englishman. laughing
                      1. depressant
                        depressant 23 February 2021 09: 52
                        +4
                        And at this moment I am drinking coffee, however, already the third cup - I cannot live without a stimulating substance! So, Seryozha, - drinks ))))
                        The frost outside the window is minus 26, the application sarcastically reports: and this, the user, feels like minus 32! The sun rose early in the morning blood-red, with a golden glow, now, pushing light clouds apart, rises in the faded gray sky already so that eyes go blind.
                        So let's drink coffee to live unblinded in the sunshine!))))
                        Once again, all happy holidays and have a good day! ))))
                      2. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 23 February 2021 17: 52
                        +2
                        It's not so scary on the street, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. It's warmer in the sun.
              3. Korsar4
                Korsar4 23 February 2021 17: 51
                +2
                Congratulations to everyone. As my boss used to say: everyone has their own trench.
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 23 February 2021 13: 43
          +3
          Thanks for the invitation. : "Technology of Youth" and "Around the World" periodically in the library I look
    3. Fat
      Fat 22 February 2021 21: 24
      +3
      Glad to see you, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
      Do not complain about Svyatoslav, we didn’t persuade your work as soon as possible (in your absence, essno)
      1. kalibr
        22 February 2021 21: 25
        +2
        Quote: Thick
        Glad to see you, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
        Do not complain about Svyatoslav, we didn’t persuade your work as soon as possible (in your absence, essno)

        On the contrary, I'm only glad!
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 23 February 2021 09: 19
          +2
          Happy holiday, Vyacheslav Olegovich! And this is the place where I spied on radio. wink
          1. kalibr
            23 February 2021 09: 47
            +2
            I know a story about one such "point". My graduate student friend told me ... I'll tell you sometime ...
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 23 February 2021 09: 55
              +1
              It is a wonderfully beautiful region of Germany-Thuringia.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 22 February 2021 19: 31
    +3
    Good evening, colleagues, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    I congratulate everyone on the upcoming February 23rd.
    1. kalibr
      22 February 2021 19: 56
      +4
      And good evening to you. And thanks for the congratulations!
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 22 February 2021 20: 45
        +2
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, I am glad to have direct communication with you
        1. kalibr
          22 February 2021 20: 54
          +3
          I am also glad. And quite sincerely.