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"A question of life or death": "Naftogaz" of Ukraine calls to stop the construction of "Nord Stream-2"

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"A question of life or death": "Naftogaz" of Ukraine calls to stop the construction of "Nord Stream-2"

The halt in the construction of the Russian Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is a matter of life or death for Ukraine. This was stated by the head of the board of NJSC "Naftogaz of Ukraine" Andriy Kobolev, having made a corresponding entry on Facebook.


Kobolev is convinced that the completion of the construction of the Russian gas pipeline, which, in his opinion, is "part of the defense of the state," will make Ukraine defenseless "against Russian military aggression." According to the head of Naftogaz, the Ukrainian gas transportation system protects the country from a full-scale invasion of Russian troops, but this will only last as long as Russia pumps its gas to Europe. As soon as there is a roundabout route, Russia will launch an attack on Ukraine.

Then our country will become much more vulnerable to Russian aggression. That is why stopping Nord Stream 2 "is, without exaggeration, a matter of life or death for our citizens.

- says Kobolev.

Kobolev insists that Nord Stream 2 is precisely a political project, not an economic one, and is directed primarily against Ukraine.

Meanwhile, it became known that a group of American senators demanded that the US State Department report on the plans of the Joe Biden administration to introduce new sanctions against the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. American politicians are interested in data on ships and companies continuing to work on the project, as well as in what status the Russian gas pipeline is.

Earlier, the Russian Foreign Ministry said that US sanctions would not prevent the completion of the construction of Nord Stream 2.
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  1. yfast
    yfast 18 February 2021 07: 35
    +65
    The question of Kobolev's life and income is unambiguous.
    1. Civil
      Civil 18 February 2021 07: 38
      .
      The conflict between Russia and Ukraine is dragging both states to the bottom ... to the delight of the State Department.
      1. Cron
        Cron 18 February 2021 07: 52
        .
        Quote: Civil
        The conflict between Russia and Ukraine is dragging both states to the bottom ... to the delight of the State Department.

        Thanks to Lenin for this
        1. Civil
          Civil 18 February 2021 08: 00
          +5
          Quote: Cron
          Thanks to Lenin for this

          Wow, Lenin destroyed the USSR? This is something new. Lenin started the war on Dobassa. laughing laughing laughing
          Lenin arranged the Maidan? laughing laughing
          And Stalin apparently pitted the Ukrainians against the Russians? lol
          All-Union headman Kalinin and Shepilov, who joined him, created oligarchic capitalism in both countries. laughing laughing laughing
          1. Cron
            Cron 18 February 2021 08: 02
            .
            Wow, Lenin destroyed the USSR? This is something new. Lenin started the war on Dobassa. laughing laughing laughing
            Lenin arranged the Maidan? laughing laughing
            And Stalin apparently pitted the Ukrainians against the Russians? lol

            No, Karl Marx blinded this misunderstanding to please his delusional intentions, and also gave the right to secede
            1. Civil
              Civil 18 February 2021 08: 05
              -8
              Quote: Cron
              No, Karl Marx blinded this misunderstanding to please his delusional intentions, and also gave the right to secede

              Go on, don't stop. There are also the Russian emperors Romanovs, Rurikovichs ... aliens from Nubiru, State Department, Chapaev, Darth Vader, Afonya ... laughing laughing
              1. Cron
                Cron 18 February 2021 08: 07
                .
                Quote: Civil
                Go on, don't stop. There are also the Russian emperors Romanovs, Rurikovichs ... aliens from Nubiru, State Department, Chapaev, Darth Vader, Afonya ...

                Why continue if you think of a conversation with an ordinary ignoramus, and even with a sick imagination?
                1. Civil
                  Civil 18 February 2021 08: 26
                  -5
                  Quote: Cron
                  Why continue if you think of a conversation with an ordinary ignoramus, and even with a sick imagination?

                  I agree. You are free.
                  1. Sibguest
                    Sibguest 18 February 2021 08: 31
                    +6
                    So him, Vadim!
                    I am still amazed at your patience - I would have lasted 2-3 minutes for a polite polemic with such people.
                    1. Cron
                      Cron 18 February 2021 08: 37
                      .
                      Quote: Sibguest
                      So him, Vadim!

                      In what way though? Please enlighten.
                      I would have had enough for a polite polemic with such people for 2-3 minutes.

                      You can start being rude right away, I don't care
                      1. sniperino
                        sniperino 18 February 2021 08: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Cron
                        In what way though?
                        Everything is as usual: "Pull him on one side! Tear his cartilage!" Corporate ethics coupled with aesthetics.
                      2. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 18 February 2021 09: 53
                        -5
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Corporate ethics coupled with aesthetics.

                        Here's an example below. laughing
                        Minusanuli and piled further minus laughing
                      3. krot
                        krot 18 February 2021 17: 04
                        +5
                        Then our country will become much more vulnerable to Russian aggression.

                        And also the Sumerians will become more defenseless against the invasion of aliens! laughing
                      4. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 18 February 2021 20: 48
                        +5
                        Yes, the termination of gas pumping and the deprivation of impressive income from it - the death of Kobolev with hangers-on, the pro-American comprador government, the Bandera people and their state.

                        But where are their hostages-the long-suffering people of Ukraine ???
                      5. alexey alexeyev_2
                        alexey alexeyev_2 18 February 2021 22: 58
                        +5
                        Just don't talk about the "long-suffering people of Ukraine". For what they fought ... slurp in full
                      6. Igoresha
                        Igoresha 18 February 2021 23: 16
                        -6
                        Just don't talk about the "long-suffering people of Ukraine". For what they fought ... slurp in full
                        can not argue; after the coup 2.0, they voted for Poroshenko and the Ze-team at a run, as if each package of buckwheat was given, just like in the Russian Federation for the so-called "referendum on amendments to the constitution", so don't believe after that that one nation
                      7. alexey alexeyev_2
                        alexey alexeyev_2 19 February 2021 22: 56
                        0
                        For twenty years I have not gone to the polls and other elections. But I went to the referendum and voted for the amendments. Buckwheat was not handed out. Although I confess I accidentally fired my pen
                      8. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 19 February 2021 12: 25
                        -3
                        Quote: alexey alexeyev_2
                        Just don't talk about the "long-suffering people of Ukraine". For what they fought ... slurp in full

                        Only very NOT smart people, the pro-American government of Ukraine, Svidomites and Bandera believe that Ukrainians = Ukrainian people = people of Ukraine are one and all as one FOR Europe and Russophobes - all against Russia and the Russians.

                        Which one will you be from?
                      9. alexey alexeyev_2
                        alexey alexeyev_2 19 February 2021 23: 11
                        0
                        I do not consider myself an intellectual giant. But I can distinguish forget-me-not from shit. I had enough of my wife's relatives. From Ukraine .. Now they have quieted down, but the first years the brain was not taken out as a child. We are not us not "This is when they voted for yuscha .. Over the years, I was still convinced. I don’t call a goat Why insult a noble animal with such a comparison
                      10. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 20 February 2021 11: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: Aleksey Alekseev_2
                        I do not consider myself an intellectual giant.

                        Yes, it can be clearly seen. As for the relatives, I think everyone deserves what they are. Here I was much more fortunate: I am surrounded, in my friends, I live in the city of Novorossiya, where 80% - normal people who have always been and are for friendship with Russia. Yes, and my relatives living in Orel, Moscow, Volgograd and Yekaterinburg are clearly better than your relatives and the kindest you.
                        All the best to you!
                      11. alexey alexeyev_2
                        alexey alexeyev_2 21 February 2021 16: 35
                        0
                        And you don’t get sick .. Relatives are not chosen. When from our side they speak for friendship with Ukraine on their part it is perceived as weakness and ingratiation. Continue to consider them brothers and they will fire at you. These are "normal people" and pissed off in 14 to Mariupol
                      12. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 21 February 2021 17: 01
                        -1
                        You are either very young, or you simply misunderstand life.
                        People are all different, everyone has different views. And one, two, some groups (even significant ones) can't talk about everyone, the people as a whole. Besides, all the societies of the world of all countries are the same in the sense that they consist of three different groups. Unfortunately, the group with the + sign, consisting of people who are adequate, smart, passionaries and heroes (those who move humanity forward) are the smallest. And the largest group is the so-called "swamp" - ordinary ordinary people who live their own lives and are mainly busy with their own problems, adapt to any life changes that they themselves are not particularly influenced. They have their own views and preferences, but are NOT ready for heroism, deeds and self-sacrifice for them. Unfortunately, they are.
                        Most of my fellow citizens DIDN'T love, DO NOT love the West, the USA, the Banderaites and consider the Russians their brothers, but, alas, they are incapable of an uprising. request .
                      13. gurzuf
                        gurzuf 19 February 2021 11: 04
                        0
                        "But where are their hostages - the long-suffering people of Ukraine ???" Instead of "long-suffering" I would say - terpily. So it will be more true.
                      14. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 19 February 2021 12: 19
                        -2
                        Yes, but they could easily continue be you, if you bad luck with Putin, who is now criticized by some for real and perceived shortcomings. Your "merits" in the coming to power of the faulty savior Putin are minimal: if the previous drunk had offered another scoundrel, you would have voted for him too. And now, too, would NOT be long-suffering truthful patients. You are just lucky that EBN made a mistake in the successor, put forward and offered NOT the same as himself, a villain.

                        And you were not patient under EBN in the "holy nineties"? No need to turn your nose up very high and overestimate yourself!
                      15. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 18 February 2021 09: 18
                        -4
                        Quote: Cron
                        You can start being rude right away

                        And they don't know what a conversation is.
                        Stupidly minus and went on.
                        To say for that, they will not tell themselves.
                        Unconditional instinct, like Pavlov's dog, did not fit into their worldview, one must silently bite
                      16. Rosko
                        Rosko 20 February 2021 05: 42
                        0
                        Yes, you are on your own, not that you gave a damn ... but vomited already ...
                    2. Civil
                      Civil 18 February 2021 09: 14
                      -3
                      Quote: Sibguest
                      So him, Vadim!
                      I am still amazed at your patience - I would have lasted 2-3 minutes for a polite polemic with such people.

                      Well, they are forced people. It's not good to offend. Well, we are residents of the same country.
                      1. Kart
                        Kart 18 February 2021 14: 42
                        -9
                        Well, you are here, fans of the USSR 2.0 invented by the curators, people are the most free.
                        From common sense.
                    3. Flooding
                      Flooding 18 February 2021 09: 33
                      +2
                      Quote: Sibguest
                      So him, Vadim!
                      I am still amazed at your patience - I would have lasted 2-3 minutes for a polite polemic with such people.

                      is it something gregarious?
                      the desire to step on the defeated man's chest and dance a lezginka on him with the whole camp?
                      1. Kart
                        Kart 18 February 2021 14: 43
                        -6
                        It's sectarian.
                        Any sect - religious, liberal, communist, anonistic - does just that.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 18 February 2021 14: 45
                        +11
                        This is the first time I hear about a communist sect. Is this the one that built the superpower?
                      3. Kart
                        Kart 18 February 2021 14: 47
                        -8
                        No.
                        This is the one who wants to break this power for the sake of the chimera of the USSR 2.0
                      4. sniperino
                        sniperino 18 February 2021 17: 19
                        -5
                        Quote: Flood
                        Is this the one that built the superpower?
                        The one that led the superpower built by the Soviet people under the leadership of Stalin to the shameful surrender of it to the enemy.
                      5. Flooding
                        Flooding 18 February 2021 20: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: sniperino
                        The one that led the superpower built by the Soviet people under the leadership of Stalin to the shameful surrender of it to the enemy.

                        I wanted to understand what or who is meant by the communist sect.
                        But both of you have confused things further.
                      6. gurzuf
                        gurzuf 19 February 2021 11: 09
                        0
                        Then why are they still in power?
                      7. sniperino
                        sniperino 19 February 2021 11: 52
                        -2
                        Quote: gurzuf
                        Then why are they still in power?
                        Who is this? There are no others, but those are far away. Those who do not have gone into a different world, except for those who remain, such as Gorbachev, who are not capable of being in power either by age or by their influence in society. The rest, who are far from the power of the USSR, or the 90s (Semibankirshchina), today are either in tough opposition to the current government (chemist-Komsomol organizer Khodorkovsky), or have taken up business in favor of the state (international economist Potanin).
                      8. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 18 February 2021 19: 38
                        +3
                        Quote: Flood
                        This is the first time I hear about a communist sect. Is this the one that built the superpower?

                        The superpower was under the kings.
                        And if we retained its composition in 78 provinces, 21 regions and 2 independent districts, and did not split it into republics on a national basis, then it would be more difficult to chop off pieces from it.
                      9. Flooding
                        Flooding 18 February 2021 20: 19
                        -3
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        Superpower was under the kings

                        then Japan was a mega power
                2. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 35
                  -3
                  Quote: Cron
                  Why continue if you mean a conversation with an ordinary ignoramus,

                  Yes, he perfectly knows and understands
                  Well, his clan doesn't let him say anything else
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 18 February 2021 09: 13
                    -5
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    does not allow his clan to say anything else
                    This is corporate logic. By following it, people cripple, break their own ability to establish a logical connection. And relaying fakes over time deprives the memory of the ability to distinguish between reality and non-reality. Although they are dull gummies in terms of content, it is also a pity for them, voluntarily go to mental disability (I become old, compassionate: years go by, but horseradish does not grow crying).
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 18 February 2021 09: 23
                      +4
                      Quote: sniperino
                      This is corporate logic.

                      Yes, that there are a lot of them and it is difficult to understand why they are minus
                      Against the naglo-Saxons said, minus the crowd, silently
                      Against Banderlog, minus and again in silence
                      Already against the basement word cannot be said. Silently the crowd minus
                      You might think that the site has come under the control of the State Department, which pays for all these announcements .. anonymous minors
                      1. sniperino
                        sniperino 18 February 2021 09: 34
                        0
                        The site follows the usual commercial logic: the more subscribers and traffic of information, the higher the rating and income. It can be seen how the skulls were removed, things went better, a critical mass of former pirate thugs has accumulated, now they are all here with large shoulder straps, because they furiously add and minus whoever they need, perhaps without even reading, but directly from the accounts page.
                      2. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 18 February 2021 09: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: sniperino
                        perhaps without even reading,

                        I was convinced of this for a long time. Received the command, saw the post, minus without reading
                      3. sniperino
                        sniperino 18 February 2021 15: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        the post was seen, minus without reading
                        This is good. The reaction of the sad ones can be viewed as an analysis of the Wasserman reaction. They note the pluses of gummakers. You can check: a difficult life, complain about the prices, we will die, they say, everything)) If the comment is without their minuses, there is a reason to problematize it, maybe something is wrong.
                      4. boris epstein
                        boris epstein 19 February 2021 16: 25
                        0
                        A little bit wrong. A team has been formed that monitors not only comments, but also specific commentators.
                        These members of this team have clones to whom they give the command "Fas!"
                        There is one more method. To pervert what was said by an objectionable commentator inside out, to drown him with his comments. I have the impression that they are run by one center.
                3. mikh-korsakov
                  mikh-korsakov 18 February 2021 09: 07
                  +10
                  That's what Mr. Civic. or whatever you like there! The head of Naftagaz is right about that. that the question of stopping SP-2 is a matter of life and death in Ukraine. He is right that if SP-2 is stopped, then the Russian Federation will have no obligation to pump gas through Ukraine. Because a compromise was reached, the EU does not interfere with the SP-2, and Gazprom is pumping gas through Ukraine. Europe will not be able to quickly compensate for losses from Russian gas, but it is now cold there, the windmills are frozen. Say, Ukraine will sue. Nonsense. It is high time to leave the jurisdiction of the courts, which always make decisions against Russia. The influence of Gazprom's money on Russia's GDP is greatly exaggerated. So it was in 2014, I agree. But much has changed since then, now no more than 5% of GDP. Reimbursed through the nationalization of European property in Russia. Do they need it? Therefore, I think the SP-2 will be completed. And the enemies - let them at least be.
                  1. WIKI
                    WIKI 18 February 2021 10: 01
                    -1
                    Quote: mikh-korsakov
                    if SP-2 is stopped, then the Russian Federation will have no obligation to pump gas through Ukraine. Because a compromise has been reached, the EU

                    But what about: "Under the terms of this contract, Gazprom must pump through Ukraine at least 225 billion cubic meters of gas in 2020-2024, of which 65 billion cubic meters in 2020 and 40 billion cubic meters annually in the next four years ".
                    Quote: mikh-korsakov
                    It's high time to get out of the jurisdiction of the courts

                    Do you think Western companies will agree to conclude contracts based on our judicial system? I doubt it deeply. I can imagine what will become of our foreign trade then.
                    Quote: mikh-korsakov
                    now no more than 5% of GDP.

                    Reasoning about the total GDP is about nothing. But the budget is our breadwinner. For 2019, transfers to it amounted to 16,2% of the total budget of the country.
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 18 February 2021 12: 16
                      +10
                      Quote: WIKI
                      But what about: "Under the terms of this contract, Gazprom must pump through Ukraine at least 225 billion cubic meters of gas in 2020-2024, of which 65 billion cubic meters in 2020 and 40 billion cubic meters annually in the next four years ".

                      So after all, no one says that the pumping will stop immediately after the completion of construction. The terms of the contract will be fulfilled and the agreed volume of gas will be pumped either ahead of schedule due to an increase in pumping over the established annual volume, or it will be extended in time for a couple of years due to a decrease in the volume of pumping, but the conclusion of a new contract with new volumes of delivery, no one guarantees, that's for sure. It is not profitable for Russia to finance the project "Ukraine anti-Russia" and support the junta regime, which will either have to switch to direct purchases of gas from Russia and thereby ensure the minimum load of the GTS in order to maintain it in working order, or put up with and erect a monument to the "Ukrainian fool" on the Maidan in the form of a pipe tied in a knot. yes
                      1. WIKI
                        WIKI 18 February 2021 12: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        the gas volume will be pumped either ahead of schedule due to an increase in pumping in excess of the established annual volume, or it will be extended in time for a couple of years due to a decrease in the pumped volume,

                        This will not change the total transit charges.
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        but the conclusion of a new contract with new delivery volumes, no one guarantees

                        Given the current political realities, nothing can be guaranteed at all, what will happen after 2024.
                      2. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 18 February 2021 12: 32
                        +3
                        Quote: WIKI
                        This will not change the total transit charges.

                        Of course not. However, this will give some room for maneuver in the sense that after the completion of the SP-2, Russia still continues transit supplies through Ukraine, as the mattresses insist on. And the fact that the volume of pumping does not go beyond the volume specified in the current contract is secondary. Well, there, how the card will fall.
                        Quote: WIKI
                        Given the current political realities, nothing can be guaranteed at all, what will happen after 2024.

                        This is yes. In general, no one will give any guarantees that the world will exist in its present form until 24 years. yes
                      3. sniperino
                        sniperino 18 February 2021 17: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        to put on the Maidan a monument to the "Ukrainian fool" in the form of a pipe tied in a knot
                        Let the diameter just tell you what you need.
                    2. Maikcg
                      Maikcg 18 February 2021 12: 23
                      +9
                      Download or pay. If Gazprom decides to screw Ukraine into the bottom of the bottoms, it has the right to pay for transit, but not pump. At one point, half of this incomplete amount will go to lockdown, because the pressure in the distribution system is related to the pressure in the main lines, and the gas that is from the west side cannot be sent to the east side. And then it remains only to write angry complaints in Sportloto. And on the border you will have to dig a moat with crocodiles and put anti-aircraft guns with flamethrowers to send the rabies to the EU. Therefore, and only because of this, the frog is boiled slowly, with its own paws. But at least the prospect of verification looms on the horizon am
                      1. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 18 February 2021 12: 35
                        +3
                        Quote: MaikCG
                        Download or pay. If Gazprom decides to screw Ukraine into the bottom of the bottoms, it has the right to pay for transit, but not pump. At one point, half of this incomplete amount will go to lockdown, because the pressure in the distribution system is related to the pressure in the mains, and the gas that is from the west side cannot be sent to the east side. And then it remains only to write angry complaints in Sportloto. And on the border you will have to dig a moat with crocodiles and put anti-aircraft guns with flamethrowers to send the rabies to the EU. Therefore, and only because of this, the frog is boiled slowly, with its own paws.

                        Great comment! + hi
                      2. WIKI
                        WIKI 18 February 2021 12: 36
                        0
                        I have already read the same comments in a flood before the conclusion of the 2019 agreement. And it, you see how it happened.
                      3. Terenin
                        Terenin 18 February 2021 18: 05
                        +4
                        Quote: MaikCG
                        Download or pay. If Gazprom decides to screw Ukraine into the bottom of the bottoms, it has the right to pay for transit, but not pump. At one point, half of this incomplete amount will go to lockdown, because the pressure in the distribution system is related to the pressure in the main lines, and the gas that is from the west side cannot be sent to the east side. And then it remains only to write angry complaints in Sportloto. And on the border you will have to dig a moat with crocodiles and put anti-aircraft guns with flamethrowers to send the rabies to the EU. Therefore, and only because of this, the frog is boiled slowly, with its own paws. But at least the prospect of verification looms on the horizon am

                        Quite right, no matter how cheeks our negotiators from the leadership of Naftogaz, who write out millions of bonuses for themselves, puffed, Ukraine in this process was traditionally not a subject, but an object.
                    3. Terenin
                      Terenin 18 February 2021 18: 00
                      +4
                      Quote: WIKI
                      Under the terms of this contract, Gazprom must pump at least 225 billion cubic meters through Ukraine. meters of gas in 2020-2024, of which 65 billion cubic meters. m in 2020 and 40 billion cubic meters each. m annually in the next four years. "

                      At the same time, the transit volume of 2021 billion cubic meters per year prescribed starting from 40 is 2 times less than the volume that was pumped through the Ukrainian GTS in 2019.
                      1. WIKI
                        WIKI 18 February 2021 23: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Terenin
                        2 times less than the volume that was pumped through the Ukrainian GTS in 2019.

                        Not 2, but 1,6 times.
                  2. Hagen
                    Hagen 18 February 2021 10: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: mikh-korsakov
                    It is high time to leave the jurisdiction of the courts that always make decisions against Russia

                    It's possible. Maybe, from a populist point of view, it is also profitable (for a short time). But in the medium and long term, we somehow have to live and maintain economic relations with those countries that exist today. And for this, the reputation of the counterparty plays a significant role. This means that the signed agreement will be implemented by Gazprom in the form in which it was signed. And in them the Swedish arbitration tribunal is appointed by the arbitration court, and its decisions are agreed to be considered final. Therefore, until 2024, we will use UkrGTS in the agreed volumes. Nothing wrong with that. SP-2 will receive its volumes after launch. The same as in its time SP-1. In 2020, according to the latest information, the oil and gas industry provided about 30% of budget revenues (previously it was over 40). Which is also a very tangible value. I would not be scattered like that.
                    Quote: mikh-korsakov
                    Reimbursed through the nationalization of European property in Russia.

                    Here is an example of an erroneous, ill-considered decision proposal, the adoption of which will be very expensive for the country in the very near future. We are not autarchy, and breaking trade ties with the entire European world is an imitation of the madness of Ukraine, but on a much larger scale. I think that the country's leadership is not even considering something like that.
                    1. mikh-korsakov
                      mikh-korsakov 18 February 2021 14: 10
                      +6
                      Hagen! Hagen - fences in German. But this is by the way, I just lived in Germany near the town of Hagenbach. But essentially. Your answer to my comment, as I understand it, is based on the fact that I propose "to withdraw from jurisdiction ... to nationalize, etc.", but you must have read my comment inattentively; I conclude that the SP-2 will just be completed, bearing in mind the adverse consequences of the refusal for Europe. But in your answer I saw "eurofatalism". 1. Many people write, and it seemed to me that you implicitly agree, or am I mistaken? that it is impossible to break with Europe, because the Russian Federation will lose access to European technologies. But Europe is no longer at the forefront. Currently, the leaders are South Korea and Taiwan. I am not writing to the PRC, because it is not a fact that these will be honestly shared. South Korea, for example, provided Russia with a breakthrough in the construction of large-capacity tankers. 2. You count. that European companies will stop working with us. But after the story with "Mistrals" on our part, any deal with European companies became risky, because it is not known in advance when the reins will fall under the tail, despite the fact that they are so insolent that they do not consider
                      that European business itself is in the Russian Federation as a hostage. ... 3. European courts are politicized. Evidence. The court in The Hague in the Yukos case changed its decision when the wind blew in our direction. And what the ECHR allowed itself in the situation with Navalny is incomprehensible to the mind. They write that in the ECHR, Russian citizens will correct the lawlessness in the courts. But I haven’t heard that some grandmother with the help of the ECHR won in a dispute with the corrupt authorities in her village. Most likely, citizens are quite well-fed, mostly from the liberal bastards, who are filing in court. BUT MOST IMPORTANT. With its sanctions, the EU itself brought relations with Russia to the freezing point and ONLY the corrupt Russian elite did not allow this ball of kissing snakes to be replaced
                      1. Terenin
                        Terenin 18 February 2021 18: 10
                        +4
                        Quote: mikh-korsakov
                        Hagen! Hagen - fences in German. But this is by the way, I just lived in Germany near the town of Hagenbach. But essentially. Your answer to my comment, as I understand it, is based on the fact that I propose "to withdraw from jurisdiction ... to nationalize, etc.", but you must have read my comment inattentively; I conclude that the SP-2 will just be completed, bearing in mind the adverse consequences of the refusal for Europe. But in your answer I saw "eurofatalism". 1. Many people write, and it seemed to me that you implicitly agree, or am I mistaken? that it is impossible to break with Europe, because the Russian Federation will lose access to European technologies. But Europe is no longer at the forefront. Currently, the leaders are South Korea and Taiwan. I am not writing to the PRC, because it is not a fact that these will be honestly shared. South Korea, for example, provided Russia with a breakthrough in the construction of large-capacity tankers. 2. You count. that European companies will stop working with us. But after the story with "Mistrals" on our part, any deal with European companies became risky, because it is not known in advance when the reins will fall under the tail, despite the fact that they are so insolent that they do not consider
                        that European business itself is in the Russian Federation as a hostage. ... 3. European courts are politicized. Evidence. The court in The Hague in the Yukos case changed its decision when the wind blew in our direction. And what the ECHR allowed itself in the situation with Navalny is incomprehensible to the mind. They write that in the ECHR, Russian citizens will correct the lawlessness in the courts. But I haven’t heard that some grandmother with the help of the ECHR won in a dispute with the corrupt authorities in her village. Most likely, citizens are quite well-fed, mostly from the liberal bastards, who are filing in court. BUT MOST IMPORTANT. With its sanctions, the EU itself brought relations with Russia to the freezing point and ONLY the corrupt Russian elite did not allow this ball of kissing snakes to be replaced

                        Meanwhile, severe frosts have led to a reduction in gas reserves in Europe and the setting of record fuel prices for both heating and electricity generation. This was reported by the press service of the Lithuanian energy holding Ignitis grupė.

                        At the main site of Europe - the Dutch hub TTF - in February 2021 compared to January, the gas price increased by 4,09 euros - to 20,34 euros per megawatt-hour. Compared to February 2020, the TTF price index in the Netherlands has increased by 80%. It is noted that in January 2020 the weather was warm enough for winter, which then led to the formation of one of the lowest gas prices in the first quarter in a decade.
                      2. Hagen
                        Hagen 19 February 2021 07: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: mikh-korsakov
                        Hagen - fences in German.

                        I probably won’t surprise you if I say that there are many ambiguous words in the German language. In addition to the "fence", Hagen is also a character from the Germanic epic who killed Siegfried. But essentially.
                        Quote: mikh-korsakov
                        I saw "eurofatalism" in your answer. 1. Many people write, and it seemed to me that you implicitly agree, or am I mistaken? that it is impossible to break with Europe, because the Russian Federation will lose access to European technologies

                        You are mistaken, I have no eurofatalism, although I see no reason to tear apart what does not require a break. We have a large number of all kinds of long-term agreements with European structures of various kinds, the work on which is proceeding quite smoothly. Why tear them. They bring us profit. All gaps are fraught with penalties and a decline in our business influence. In addition, Western technologies are really not superfluous for us. Is the Mistral story instructive? Yes. Nevertheless, she saved us some serious money and allowed us to get the entire ship project for almost nothing. And in general about technological leadership. You do not know why Total and Schlumberger work on our territory, how did Novatek develop large-scale gas liquefaction, how did the LNG project in Vysotsk develop? Our companies are making serious technological acquisitions by working with them. We have taken and are taking a lot from the same Siemens, Mercedes, ZF and other joint ventures. I see no reason to voluntarily leave Western markets. They are fighting for the markets very seriously. I think you're wrong. As soon as we show the East that they are our main suppliers, the East will immediately use its monopoly position to our detriment. Each counterparty must always understand that he has an alternative. In addition, South Korea is heavily influenced by the United States. And this must be borne in mind. And yes, I agree that European courts are politicized. It happened not yesterday, but for a long time. However, this does not mean that we need to flee Europe in all directions. Politics doesn't like impulsive actions at all. The United States is pushing us out, but we must resist, and we resist. Be that as it may, the Western world is not homogeneous, and it is necessary to communicate with it at least from the considerations that we are neighbors forever.
                        Quote: mikh-korsakov
                        BUT MOST IMPORTANT. EU sanctions SAM brought relations with Russia to freezing point

                        I don't argue with that. At the same time, one must understand that the European Commission sold to the United States is not all of Europe. And at the Council of Europe with its PACE and the ECHR, the world did not come together like a wedge. It is a political superstructure influenced by the Anglo-Saxons. For all that, I would not want you to consider my words a sign of Eurocentrism in my view of the world. It's just that Europe is our neighbors, we will have to live with them in any case, which means we need to build relationships that are equal and beneficial for us. Equally with the East. You can shut yourself off from the world after half a billion population ... Not earlier.
                      3. mikh-korsakov
                        mikh-korsakov 19 February 2021 15: 43
                        0
                        Hagen! Sorry for the general words, but the truth is specific. Only, let's say an unwise person, will call for the removal of, say, Siemens from the Russian market. I have used the well-known contradiction method to show that SP2 will be completed despite the nefarious intrigues. By the way, it was curious to observe the cancan of the Russian authorities and Siemens in front of the same kami from the EU on the basis of the supply of gas turbines to the Crimea. But paper and thought effort cost money. The immutable truth is that any firm strives for maximum profit. But the intervention of the European authorities led as well. to protraction of the energy crisis in Crimea and b. to a decrease in Siemens activity in the Russian market, in view of the fact that now the activation of each transaction should be preceded by reflections on how to cheat the European authorities, which reduces profits and increases risks, and consequently the desire of the European business to cooperate is reduced. Old contracts are fulfilled anyway. but about the new, something is not heard. Therefore, yes, the light did not converge on the EU and its "organs". But they harm business, so IMHO they should be recognized as a given as pests, because apart from harm they do nothing. Therefore, IMHO should stop cooperation with European superstructures, relying only on the formally limited sovereignty of European countries, which has not been canceled. Hungarians bought Sputnik V and put it on the EU. Regarding the indicator of the population size as an indicator of progress, I do not agree here what to do with Israel. Neighborhood does not imply friendship. We are not neighbors with India, but we cooperate. On the other hand, there are many scandalous neighbors for your choice. Sincerely.
                      4. Hagen
                        Hagen 19 February 2021 17: 11
                        0
                        Quote: mikh-korsakov
                        how to be with Israel

                        Israel is a limitrophe, not US assistance, it would have been snatched by neighbors long ago ...
                        Quote: mikh-korsakov
                        Therefore, IMHO should stop cooperation with European superstructures, relying only on the formally limited sovereignty of European countries

                        If by superstructures you mean all sorts of PACE with the ECHR, then I agree.
                        Quote: mikh-korsakov
                        Hungarians bought Sputnik V and imposed on the EU

                        In principle, our leadership is following this path through national governments. So Merkel was involved in defending the project. In general, we do not contradict each other much. As far as the attitude towards the European Commission is concerned, I agree with you. And European business itself suffers from the political madness of their own authorities.
                        Quote: mikh-korsakov
                        SP2 will be completed despite nefarious intrigues

                        I do not argue. In general, I think that trading is better than fighting. Another thing is that in the United States, the financial and industrial groups of the military-industrial complex thrive more on confrontation. And from there all the troubles, both ours and European.
                        Quote: mikh-korsakov
                        Neighborhood does not imply friendship.

                        There was no such word "friendship" in my thesis. But you will have to cooperate and interact.
                    2. Brturin
                      Brturin 18 February 2021 20: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: Hagen
                      And in them, the arbitration court appointed the Swedish arbitration, and its decisions are agreed to be considered final

                      Clarification, maybe not him - At the same time, the disputes between the two companies will already be conducted not in the Stockholm arbitration, but in the International Arbitration Court of the International Chamber of Commerce in Zurich ... At the same time, Gazprom, obviously, has already taken into account the mistakes of the previous contract in the current agreement it is said that arbitrators can change the text of the agreement only if the European regulation changes and there is a need to comply with it.
                      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/01/27/v-set-popal-tekst-tranzitnogo-soglasheniya-naftogaza-i-gazproma
                      And there was one controversial issue - on May 7, 2019, the European Commission received a complaint prepared by NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine .. 1) implementation of “predatory” investments in the implementation of the Nord Stream 2 project; 2) obstruction of the implementation of the virtual gas reverse to Ukraine; 3) abuse by PJSC Gazprom of its monopoly on the export of pipeline gas; 4) “margin reduction” in gas supplies to the Federal Republic of Germany ... Gazprom is not a party to this process. At the same time, the irrevocable settlement agreement between PJSC Gazprom and NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine dated December 30, 2019 provides for the settlement of all mutual claims without exception.
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 19 February 2021 07: 49
                        +2
                        Quote: BrTurin
                        Clarification, maybe not him

                        If we bear in mind the gas transit agreement for 2020-2024, then yes. But the main problem in this context is the contracts signed by Gazprom with the horizons of 2025-30 for the supply of gas to Ukraine. There, as far as I know, nothing has changed regarding the settlement of disputes. And the negotiated agreement is subject to interpretation in accordance with the substantive law of Sweden. And the Scandinavian school of law is characterized by the fact that, to a greater extent than others, it takes into account the material state of the parties to the dispute (remember how the arbitration decision was justified in favor of Naftogaz?). But this is a debatable issue for specialists. One thing is not clear to me, is the sanctions pressure of the national governments and the European Commission a sea-majeure in these treaties? This largely determines our dependence, among other things, on UkrGTS today.
                      2. Brturin
                        Brturin 19 February 2021 11: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Is the sanctioning pressure of national governments and the European Commission a sea majeure in these treaties?
                        I doubt how the pressure legally affects transit, if all the terms of the contract are met ... while everything is in accordance with European standards - auctions for booking capacities (daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly are held, tariffs are not raised ... The question is, is it possible consider the appeal to the Naftagaz court of May 7, 2019 and the acceptance of the case for consideration as a violation of the package agreement, within the framework of which the transit agreement was concluded ... this may already be an argument ...
                      3. Hagen
                        Hagen 19 February 2021 16: 46
                        0
                        Quote: BrTurin
                        I doubt how pressure legally affects transit if all the terms of the contract are respected ...

                        I apologize for a typo laughing ... I meant "force majeure" ... And so it influences that in order to comply with the terms of the agreement, it was not an unprofitable signing of an agreement with Ukraine that had to go. Too large penalties. Yet the bulk of gas supply and transit contracts are still long-term, according to the Groningen model. After 2024, this UGTS will be booked as needed for spot transactions.
                      4. Brturin
                        Brturin 19 February 2021 18: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        I meant "force majeure"

                        also "sorry for the typo laughing . "I just very much doubt that it will come to force majeure under long-term contracts ... So far there are no sanctions against Gazprom, Gazprom Export, etc. (as well as against Nord Stream 2) ... legally, nothing interferes with supplies. the prospect somehow ... "The Netherlands in mid-2022 may stop production at the giant gas field Groningen. The prospects of the field were discussed on February 11, 2021 in the government of the Netherlands. (https://neftegaz.ru/news/dobycha/665655-eshche-podumayut-niderlandy-primut-reshenie-po-obemam-dobychi-gaza-na-mestorozhdenii-groningen-k-sen/). The Norwegians will not increase much ... There is still work and work for hydrogen energy - the Germans decided to build a separate infrastructure for hydrogen, which was naturally criticized by the German gas "giants" ... With all the states' desire to sell their LNG and deprive Russia of income from foreign markets, they understand that there is nothing to completely replace Gazprom's share, and therefore there will be "targeted" sanctions on the joint venture-2, but without affecting the rest of the supply structure ...
                        Yes, the signing was not profitable, but you can only build versions about all the terms of the deal (like a promise to keep transit in exchange for completion) ... And the question of penalties, so for me it's a matter of principle, the contracts stipulate the minimum volumes and if you leave them valid flows (JV, TP, Yamal-Europe) may well be enough, but this is a river loss, profit, etc. etc., which Gazprom clearly does not intend to do (the recent accusations by NOVATEK that because of its LNG in Europe the state does not receive taxes and dividends from Gazprom) ... while they promised to deploy part of the TP for Turkey to Europe (application for entry into Bulgaria from October 1, 113% of the capacity of 1 line of the TP) ... maybe a compromise will be found with NOVATEK ... Ust-Luga will start working on LNG only from 2024 at the end of the contract ...
                        Quote: Hagen
                        UGTS will be booked after 2024 as needed for spot deals

                        It is unlikely that this will work out either a full stop or some kind of contract with the possibility of booking additional capacities ...
              2. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 34
                0
                Quote: Civil
                Go on, don't stop. There are also Russian emperors Romanovs, Rurikovichs ... aliens from Nubiru, State Department, Chapaev, Darth Vader, Afonya

                I have always spoken and spoken, you have perfectly mastered the technique of diverting the conversation.
                laughing
                Masterpiece unscrewing laughing
              3. Dart2027
                Dart2027 18 February 2021 11: 22
                0
                Quote: Civil
                There are also Russian emperors

                So who created Ukraine after all?
              4. bayard
                bayard 18 February 2021 15: 31
                +2
                Quote: Civil
                Chapaev

                Don't touch Chapaev!
                He fought on other fronts.
                That's why he entered Russian folklore as a national hero.
              5. SARANCHA1976
                SARANCHA1976 19 February 2021 07: 22
                +1
                Could you tell me at least one fact of delirium in the main theses of Marx?
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 08: 27
              +4
              Quote: Cron
              No, Karl Marx blinded this misunderstanding to please his delusional designs

              did you go to school? !!!
              victim of modern education
              1. Sibguest
                Sibguest 18 February 2021 08: 30
                -2
                Apparently visited (Cron): the parish office of the OCU, immediately to the left after the entrance to the SBU.
                1. Temples
                  Temples 18 February 2021 09: 11
                  -4
                  Quote: Sibguest
                  Apparently attended (Cron): parish


                  Stupidity and sarcasm are completely different concepts.
                  With the first one, you have success. good

                  Do you remember a person like Joseph Dzhugashvili? wink

                  Read how he got his education.
                  Look who helped him become educated.

                  "In 1886, mother Ekaterina Georgievna wanted to assign Joseph to study in Gori Orthodox theological schoolhowever, since it is perfectly did not know Russian, he failed to enter. In 1886-1888, at the request of the mother the children of priest Christopher Charkviani began to teach Joseph the Russian language. As a result, in 1888, Soso did not enter the first preparatory class at the school, but immediately into the second preparatory class, in September of the following year he entered the first class of the school, which he graduated in June 1894.

                  In September 1894, Joseph passed the entrance exams and was enrolled in the Orthodox Tiflis Theological Seminary"
              2. Cron
                Cron 18 February 2021 08: 33
                -7
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                did you go to school? !!!
                victim of modern education

                school

                I attended Russian lessons for sure. What are your main complaints?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 09: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Cron
                  What are your main complaints?

                  simple, Marx died avid before the creation of the USSR
                  1. Cron
                    Cron 18 February 2021 09: 14
                    -5
                    simple, Marx died avid before the creation of the USSR

                    Ahh, you just take it seriously and you can't sarcastically. We attribute this to the characteristics of your character.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 09: 52
                      -4
                      Quote: Cron
                      We attribute this to the characteristics of your character.

                      everything else to your ignorance ?!
                      then do not refer to Marx, but to Adam
                      1. Cron
                        Cron 18 February 2021 09: 56
                        -3
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        everything else to your ignorance ?!
                        then do not refer to Marx, but to Adam

                        Okay, next time I'll write about Dostoevsky and Hippocrates. Just do not scold too much, please.
                  2. Alex Justice
                    Alex Justice 18 February 2021 10: 17
                    -2
                    simple, Marx died avid before the creation of the USSR

                    But he invented the religion of Communism.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 11: 42
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex Justice
                      But he invented the religion of Communism.

                      for the sake of truth, he described the formations, and what about religion, sorry
              3. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 37
                -3
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                did you go to school? !!!

                And what does the school have to do with it?
                Did they teach Marxism-Leninism at school? belay
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 09: 11
                  +4
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  And what does the school have to do with it?
                  Did they teach Marxism-Leninism at school?

                  I would just know when there was the October Revolution and that Marx is not in any way on the creation of the USSR
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 18 February 2021 09: 36
                    -4
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    just knew

                    It is clear, did not attend school, self-taught
                    and that Marx is in no way sided with the creation of the USSR

                    I will continue.
                    But the USSR was created by a faithful Marxist, whose works he studied and constantly quoted
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 09: 53
                      +1
                      Marx wrote an ECONOMIC THEORY, you can just as well refer to Noah or Adam
                    2. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 01
                      -4
                      MINUSORILERS, what sedition, they minus their idols laughing
                    3. sniperino
                      sniperino 18 February 2021 10: 15
                      -4
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Marx is no sideways to the creation of the USSR
                      ...
                      - Marx was an economist.
                      - Is that like Uncle Izya?
                      - No, Uncle Izya is a senior economist.
                      1. DNS-a42
                        DNS-a42 18 February 2021 10: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Which Engels Disowned laughing

                        He disowned himself so much that he continued to publish the works of Marx, and most importantly, he also managed to write his own. Burn on.
                2. Brturin
                  Brturin 18 February 2021 22: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Did they teach Marxism-Leninism at school?

                  was in high school - Social Studies
            3. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 32
              0
              Quote: Cron
              No, Karl Marx

              Who wrote his nonsense with the money of Engels, who fed the large family of Marx, who did not work all his life, but sat on Engels's neck.
              And he would be a capitalist
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 09: 11
                +7
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Who wrote his nonsense

                in general, not nonsense, but rather accurate economic work
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 18 February 2021 09: 38
                  -6
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  in general, not nonsense, but rather accurate economic work

                  Which Engels Disowned laughing
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 09: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Which Engels Disowned

                    have you read that yourself?
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 03
                      -4
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      have you read that yourself?

                      Yes, I read.
                      Do you know how many years he composed his nonsense?
                      Do you know what he said that this opus is not applicable to Russia?
                      1. DNS-a42
                        DNS-a42 18 February 2021 10: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Yes, I read.

                        Just like Solzhenitsyn. He also read, but did not stop lying.
                      2. sniperino
                        sniperino 18 February 2021 11: 29
                        -4
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        he said that this opus is not applicable to Russia
                        We must give him his due, he spoke as it is. So that the fiery revolutionaries zombified by capital are not led to its opuses in other political situations. They were by no means stupid men, and honest, only inhumanly cruel. Drive the masses to a bloody slaughter, realizing that this is all a social experiment, and that the future results of this social practice will serve as a criterion for the truth of their theory.
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 12: 42
                        +2
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Though you know

                        tell you where and what to poke?
                        to learn polite communication for a start, or was it not accepted in RI?
              2. DNS-a42
                DNS-a42 18 February 2021 10: 45
                +2
                Quote: Lipchanin
                who hasn't worked all his life

                Marx worked as a journalist and newspaper editor.

                fed the large family of Marx

                After the death of Marx.
          2. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 18 February 2021 08: 12
            -4
            Quote: Civil
            Lenin started the war on Dobassa.

            Lenin tore the country into two incomparable camps, and forever ... it's worse ...
            1. Civil
              Civil 18 February 2021 08: 25
              -4
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              Lenin tore the country into two incomparable camps, and forever ... it's worse ...

              On the bourgeoisie, the nobility and the working people, in a ratio of 0,2% to 99,98%. In what way is he wrong?
              1. Tiksi-3
                Tiksi-3 18 February 2021 08: 34
                -2
                Quote: Civil
                In what way is he wrong?

                how long has it been since then ?? and hatred for each other is still wrong in this!
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 09: 54
                  -4
                  Quote: Tiksi-3
                  and hatred for each other is still wrong in this!

                  hate whom to whom? !!!!
                  1. Tiksi-3
                    Tiksi-3 18 February 2021 10: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    hate whom to whom? !!!!

                    I will translate into Russian - white and red
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 10: 04
                      -2
                      Quote: Tiksi-3
                      I will translate into Russian - white and red

                      Yes?!!!!
                      and who is who now ?!
                      By the way, do not specify who overthrew the Emperor, bad, good, but was a unifying element ?!
                      1. Tiksi-3
                        Tiksi-3 18 February 2021 10: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        By the way, do not specify who overthrew the Emperor, bad, good, but was a unifying element ?!

                        no, I will not specify, this is not a colloquium on History, but a discussion of the article, for reference, he studied in the USSR at school and graduated from Univer in the daytime in the USSR, always excellent in history!
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 12: 47
                        +2
                        Well, what side of the Bolsheviks to the destruction of RI?
                        or maybe it is still not they who destroyed the fastening principle of the country as a result of which a split occurred
                    2. DNS-a42
                      DNS-a42 18 February 2021 10: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: Tiksi-3
                      I will translate into Russian - white and red

                      Should only be white?
                      1. Tiksi-3
                        Tiksi-3 18 February 2021 10: 39
                        0
                        Quote: DNS-a42
                        Should only be white?

                        are you all right? ... who said that someone should remain alone? .... for those who are in the tank .... we are all Russia and white and red and everyone else, read the original question and not it will be necessary to post nonsense ...
                      2. DNS-a42
                        DNS-a42 18 February 2021 11: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: Tiksi-3
                        are you all right? ... who said that someone should remain alone? .... for those who are in the tank .... we are all Russia and white and red and everyone else, read the original question and not it will be necessary to post nonsense ...

                        You will not understand, you do not like the confrontation between red and white, but you do not want to solve it. You cannot reconcile them, for these are sides with diametrically opposed interests. So what remains?
                      3. Tiksi-3
                        Tiksi-3 18 February 2021 11: 14
                        -1
                        Quote: DNS-a42
                        You won't understand

                        once again for those who are in the tank ..... read everything from the beginning ... and then everything in your head will turn out like a mosaic
                        Quote: DNS-a42
                        but you don't want to decide

                        I? decide? ... not like Friday ...
                        Quote: DNS-a42
                        You cannot try them on, because these are sides with diametrically opposed interests

                        yes this is elementary, only the will of the country's leadership is needed, mind you, not mine)
                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 12: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Tiksi-3
                        only the will of the country's leadership is needed

                        not at all, you need something uniting in RI it was the Emperor, in the USSR the Party
                        until we create something like this, nothing will work
                        the collapse of the 17th and 91st years happened precisely because of the destruction of the rod
                      5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 12: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Tiksi-3
                        we are all Russia and white and red and everyone else

                        just in order to have everything together, you need a unifying beginning, this is the beginning and destroyed in February 17, and it was white
                    3. Horon
                      Horon 18 February 2021 10: 29
                      +2
                      I will clarify: On the rich and the poor, on the hard workers and lazy people. In principle, it was always, but he gave the arrogance / contempt of some and the envy / anger of others a class basis. White and red are their reflection only during the civil war 1917-1922
                  2. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 05
                    -5
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    hate whom to whom? !!!!

                    Look at the site.
                    Hate in dissent from your clan and pours
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 10: 08
                      +2
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Hate in dissent from your clan and pours

                      first broodershaft did not drink, you are polite
                      the second infuriates me not knowledge of history and obstinacy in this not knowledge and not classes or something else
                      1. Civil
                        Civil 18 February 2021 10: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        first broodershaft did not drink, you are polite
                        the second infuriates me not knowledge of history and obstinacy in this not knowledge and not classes or something else

                        Save your nerves) do not fight windmills.
              2. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 38
                -4
                Quote: Civil
                On the bourgeoisie, the nobility and the working people, in a ratio of 0,2% to 99,98%.

                And where are these numbers from?
                Someone conducted a poll?
                1. PROVINCIAL
                  PROVINCIAL 18 February 2021 09: 10
                  +1
                  Sergei, no offense. "numbers" ??? And in my school they explained: gypsies on tiptoe ,,,))
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 18 February 2021 09: 40
                    -6
                    As a schoolboy, do you have clues everywhere in the form of Nuna's smaiks?
                    You don’t understand simple sarcasm?
                    1. PROVINCIAL
                      PROVINCIAL 19 February 2021 09: 45
                      0
                      Sergey. A simple text does not convey the intonation, emotions and facial expressions of the writer. Therefore, it is difficult to understand what you meant. Sincerely.
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 09: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  And where are these numbers from?
                  Someone conducted a poll?

                  According to the 1897 census document, 125 people lived in the Russian Empire, of which 640% were the noble population, or 021 people.
                  peasants about 80%
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 31
                    -5
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    peasants about 80%

                    What's next?
                    Did they all hate nobles together?
                    And why then the revolution was not muddied by the peasants, but whose workers were much less than the peasants?
                    Again, does the minority know better what the majority should do?
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 11: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      What's next?
                      Did they all hate nobles together?

                      what does hatred have to do with it or not
                      you asked otkel figures, you were given the source
              3. Alex Justice
                Alex Justice 18 February 2021 10: 22
                -6
                On the bourgeoisie, the nobility and the working people, in a ratio of 0,2% to 99,98%. In what way is he wrong?

                Now the opposite is true. The people understood that the religion of Communism is a dictatorship leading nowhere.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 12: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: Alex Justice
                  that religion Communism is a dictatorship

                  dictatorship - type of government
                  communism is a socio-economic formation
                  you are comparing green to round
              4. Dart2027
                Dart2027 18 February 2021 11: 25
                -3
                Quote: Civil
                In what way is he wrong?

                Considering that in the end nothing good came out of his theories, it turns out that in everything.
                So who created Ukraine?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 12: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Considering that in the end nothing worthwhile came out of his theories

                  How did it fail ?!
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 18 February 2021 13: 57
                    -3
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    this is how

                    Show the USSR on the map.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 14: 29
                      +1
                      what to show you ?!
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 18 February 2021 16: 17
                        -2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        that

                        Show the USSR. If, as you say, Lenin's theories turned out to be true, then the country that was created on the basis of his theories did not collapse in less than a century.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 17: 06
                        0
                        it turns out in your opinion that RI is also not a good state ?!
                        if a mediocre driver, driving a car, smashed it to smithereens, then this does not mean that the car is bad
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 18 February 2021 19: 43
                        -4
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        if a mediocre driver driving a car

                        The Tsar is not elected, and the USSR was ruled by people who did not receive power by inheritance. And it was not Gorbachev alone who destroyed it, but the entire elite.
                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 21: 20
                        +1
                        "chic" excuse and mediocrity nikolashka was not alone in all this booth
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 19 February 2021 06: 40
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        "smart" excuse

                        So you yourself spoke about the driver, that is, the head of state.
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        not one participated in all this booth

                        By itself. But for all their shortcomings, the then elites did not want the destruction of the country.
                      6. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 19 February 2021 09: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        the then elites did not want the destruction of the country.

                        that is, just idots?
                      7. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 19 February 2021 10: 50
                        -2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        just idots

                        Unfortunately.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 09: 12
              +2
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              Lenin tore the country into two incomparable camps, and forever ... it's worse ...

              what is it?
              1. DNS-a42
                DNS-a42 18 February 2021 09: 24
                +5
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                what is it?

                Slaves and slave owners in ancient Rome, serfs and landowners in medieval Europe, capitalists and proletarians in modern Russia. It's all Lenin's fault, the accursed one reached out!
              2. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 18 February 2021 09: 41
                -8
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Quote: Tiksi-3
                Lenin tore the country into two incomparable camps, and forever ... it's worse ...

                what is it?

                Open your eyes
                Aren't there two camps in the outskirts?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 09: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Open your eyes
                  Aren't there two camps in the outskirts?

                  study the topic before writing nonsense, or did Lenin work for you and in the Austro-Hungarian General Staff too ?!
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 07
                    -4
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    or Lenin

                    Or. It was he who gave the primordially Russian cities and lands to the thrown out of austro hungary and pshekia
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 12: 58
                      +3
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      It was he who gave the primordially Russian cities and lands to the aborted Austro Hungary and Pshekia

                      but I thought that the USSR was a united country
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 18 February 2021 14: 00
                        -2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        that the USSR was a united country

                        Yes and no, Yes it was one country, but in this country national elites were actively raised, and the fraternal peoples lived well at the expense of the RSFSR .. So we got it.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 14: 12
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        lived well off

                        this is where the whole collapse begins
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 18 February 2021 16: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        from this

                        And from this too.
                2. Tiksi-3
                  Tiksi-3 18 February 2021 10: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Aren't there two camps in the outskirts?

                  you open yours, where is Ukraine ?, is it for Russia in the article, or do you continue to engage in trolling?
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 39
                    -3
                    [quote = Tiksi-3] you open yours, where is Ukraine ?, [/ quote
                    Clear. You can't read what the speech is about.
                    I pulled out a phrase and wrote a post
                    [quote] speech for Russia in article [/ quote]
                    Where???
                    [quote] "A question of life or death": Naftogaz of Ukraine calls to stop the construction of Nord Stream 2 [/ quote]
                    Where is the word Russia?
                    [quote] are you still trolling? [/ quote]
                    An example of trolling? Or heard the word and understand that it means lack of time?
          3. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 29
            -2
            Quote: Civil

            Wow, Lenin destroyed the USSR?

            Again jerked
            Who gave them the primordially Russian territories?
            Do you know that they have a history textbook in which they teach youngsters that Odessa, Kharkov and other cities were founded by the descendants of the Sumerians?
            1. DNS-a42
              DNS-a42 18 February 2021 09: 25
              +3
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Who gave them the primordially Russian territories?
              Yeltsin.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 08
                -5
                Quote: DNS-a42
                Yeltsin

                What lands did he give to the Sumerians? belay
                1. DNS-a42
                  DNS-a42 18 February 2021 10: 21
                  +2
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Quote: DNS-a42
                  Yeltsin

                  What lands did he give to the Sumerians? belay

                  All. Yeltsin gave all of Ukraine to his Ukrainian neo-feudal friends, creating a bourgeois Ukraine.

                  The Ukrainian SSR is part of a single federal state, the administrative division of which was constantly changing, but this was a single country, with a single Soviet people.
                  In the Russian Federation, the boundaries of the subjects are also regularly changed, but this does not bother you at all.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 45
                    -4
                    Quote: DNS-a42
                    All. Yeltsin gave all of Ukraine to his Ukrainian neo-feudal friends, creating a bourgeois, anti-Soviet Ukraine.

                    I can't understand when your labels and slogans will disappear?
                    Ukrainian friendsneo-feudalcreating bourgeois, anti-Soviet Ukraine.

                    Not tired of people not appreciating business, and not belonging to some sort of class you and invented?
                    A person should be appreciated by deeds and actions, and not by how much money he has
                    1. DNS-a42
                      DNS-a42 18 February 2021 10: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      I can't understand when your labels and slogans will disappear?

                      Allergic to the harsh truth? I do not intend to soften the corners.

                      Quote: Lipchanin

                      Not tired of people not appreciating business, and not belonging to some sort of class you and invented?
                      A person should be appreciated by deeds and actions, and not by how much money he has

                      So we appreciate it. And we see that the working majority not only builds a country with blood and sweat, but also provides a luxurious life for a miserable handful of owners of factories, factories, yachts and steamers.

                      And the process of making money is not deeds and actions? Or should we close our eyes to what is happening?
                  2. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 18 February 2021 11: 27
                    0
                    Quote: DNS-a42
                    but this was a single country, with a single Soviet people

                    Which suddenly disappeared instantly.
                    1. DNS-a42
                      DNS-a42 18 February 2021 11: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Which suddenly disappeared instantly.

                      Which all the perestroika was diligently broken.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 18 February 2021 12: 15
                        -1
                        Quote: DNS-a42
                        diligently broke

                        True? I don’t remember that. This people did not exist in nature, I remember well.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 09: 51
              +1
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Who gave them the primordially Russian territories?

              have you carefully studied the map ?!
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 09
                -7
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                have you studied the map carefully?

                I ran past laughing
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2021 12: 58
                  0
                  I got what you mean
          4. DNS-a42
            DNS-a42 18 February 2021 09: 13
            +3
            They echo our bourgeoisie. They also have the USSR to blame for today's troubles. Scratch an anti-Soviet patriot - you will see a Vlasovite.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 18 February 2021 14: 00
              -3
              Quote: DNS-a42
              Scratch an anti-Soviet patriot - you will see a Vlasovite.

              So who created Ukraine?
          5. Hagen
            Hagen 18 February 2021 10: 42
            0
            Quote: Civil
            Wow, Lenin destroyed the USSR?

            Your interlocutor has in mind the voluntaristic accession to the UPR of seven regions of Russia that were not previously part of it (practically the entire South-East of modern Ukraine). Yes, and Joseph Vissarionovich, when annexing Western Ukraine and Belarus, with the Balts, showed, probably, excessive liberalism in ensuring the country's security from nationalist elements. Lavrenty Pavlovich had a good hand in ensuring that the republics were commanded by "national cadres". Khrushchev N.S. also shortsightedly released the former Bandera and forest brothers from places of imprisonment with the right to reside in their native territories. In general, looking today from afar, it is very easy to find the mistakes of the departed authorities, while selflessly doing their own. Such is human nature. It will hardly be productive for us today to fight in mortal combat with each other for the assessment of their actions, especially if we understand the need to combine efforts in the face of such our mortal and lifelong enemy as the Anglo-Saxon West. Watching how we here from scratch dog, they only rub their hands for joy. After all, we thus fulfill their goals and objectives. As the officer of the Russian army KG Mannerheim used to say, (almost literally) for Russia an internal quarrel is more terrible than external aggression.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 25
          +1
          Quote: Cron
          Thanks to Lenin for this

          And Khrushchev for Crimea
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 18 February 2021 08: 29
        +5
        Quote: Civil
        The conflict between Russia and Ukraine is dragging both states to the bottom ... to the delight of the State Department.

        Ukraine as a state with minor reservations is 30 years old.
        And its statehood is not critical for the East Slavic ethnos, which, in general, with a certain degree of historical error, can be called Russians.
        While the actual Russian statehood is its cornerstone.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 February 2021 07: 42
      +5
      Quote: yfast
      The question of Kobelev's life and income is unambiguous.


      "A question of life or death": "Naftogaz" of Ukraine calls to stop the construction of "Nord Stream-2"

      Somewhere under the walls of "Naftogaz" Outskirts ...

      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 18 February 2021 07: 56
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        Somewhere under the walls of "Naftogaz" Outskirts ...

        It looks like between the fool and the government, another rotation has passed
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 18 February 2021 07: 55
      -2
      Quote: yfast
      The question of Kobolev's life and income is unambiguous.

      Another made me laugh laughing
      According to the head of Naftogaz, the Ukrainian gas transportation system protects the country from a full-scale invasion of Russian troops,

      Frost of the Armed Forces without a gas pipeline will become ineffective? laughing
      Gaza sniff and go to war?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 February 2021 09: 25
        -1
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Frost of the Armed Forces without a gas pipeline will become ineffective?
        Gaza sniff and go to war?

        This makes me laugh -
        Ukrainian gas transmission system protects the country from full-scale invasion of Russian troops
        .
        The pipeline through which Russian gas flows, read "occupation gas", protects Ukraine from the invasion of Russian troops. It turns out that if there is no Russian gas in the pipeline, then there is no need to defend against Russian troops. This is when one of the ward number 6 was asked "Why do you need ears?" the answer is "To see." Not understood ? "When you put on a hat, your ears do not allow the hat to close its eyes."
    4. loft79
      loft79 18 February 2021 07: 58
      +2
      Quote: yfast
      The question of Kobolev's life and income is unambiguous.

      To the point. hi
    5. Tochilka
      Tochilka 18 February 2021 07: 59
      +1
      On a vodka, judging by the delusional posting on Facebook, he still has enough. Fact.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 February 2021 09: 26
        -3
        Quote: Tochilka
        On a vodka, judging by the delusional posting on Facebook, he still has enough. Fact.

        You can't drink so much vodka here, most likely you've smelled a coca path.
    6. Alien From
      Alien From 18 February 2021 08: 46
      +1
      Don't give a damn about hikhelov, nothing personal, just business.
    7. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 February 2021 09: 15
      -1
      Quote: yfast
      The question of Kobolev's life and income is unambiguous.

      Oh, how many of these "cobalt" ones were sucked into the gas pipe, like pigs in a sow's tit.
    8. Finches
      Finches 18 February 2021 09: 23
      -2
      As Uncle Vova correctly noted - "Opponents of the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline seek to make Russia pay for the" West in Ukraine "projectAnd also, kids like Kobolev and his curators will lose very good money! I wouldn't be surprised if kickbacks go straight into old Joe's pocket!
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 18 February 2021 07: 35
    +12
    Do you want 140 billion cubic meters of pumping per year? There are no rams for pennies, we ourselves are sitting on potatoes and bacon. We need money ourselves.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 18 February 2021 07: 41
      +6
      stop Nord Stream 2 "is without exaggeration a matter of life or death for our citizens
      Wait, the giants will rise, and how will they be breastfeeding against "Fortune"! And Khan SP-2! fellow
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 18 February 2021 07: 57
        +5
        And the crew of Fortuna around the clock, without going to the social network, does their "dirty deed". I will not be surprised that graduates of the Patton Institute are brewing a pipe. ...
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 18 February 2021 08: 29
          +3
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Patton Institute.

          Boris Evgenievich Paton
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 18 February 2021 08: 43
            +5
            The names of such "people" must be written correctly.
            1. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan 18 February 2021 09: 17
              -2
              Patton, in my understanding, is primarily American General George Smith Patton and the tank of the same name.
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 18 February 2021 09: 46
                +1
                I apologized and sprinkle ashes on my head
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 47
                  -3
                  Quote: tralflot1832
                  I apologized and sprinkle ashes on my head

                  The first time was enough
                  Anyway, they will trample
                  1. tralflot1832
                    tralflot1832 18 February 2021 12: 01
                    0
                    Bashirkhan is a specialist in shipbuilding. I respect him. He knows but is silent!
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 00
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Wait the giants as they rise

        As the bottom will go to full height !!! With the song "She has not died yet" under the accreditation of a specialist in playing a member on the piano, we will immediately drop everything and sit in the first row to listen to this song laughing
        1. Yuri Tverdokhleb
          Yuri Tverdokhleb 18 February 2021 09: 40
          -1
          Sergei, I hope they paid attention to the number of minuses. How to understand this insanity on such a site, where how many puppies are pounced on an absolutely sensible comment?
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 14
            -4
            Quote: Yuri Tverdokhleb
            Sergey, I hope you paid attention to the number of cons

            Has long been laughing Used to
            , where on an absolutely healthy comment how many puppies are pounced on?

            Corporate ethics don't let your head work.
            Moreover, they are minus for criticism of zashtatniki
            Now lash out in defense of the basement
      3. Insurgent
        Insurgent 18 February 2021 08: 03
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Wait, the hulks will rise, and how will they be breastfeeding against "Fortune"!

        Fortune betrayed them back in 1991 ...

    2. Egoza
      Egoza 18 February 2021 07: 42
      +8
      Quote: tralflot1832
      There are no rams for pennies, we ourselves are sitting on potatoes and bacon. We need money ourselves.

      Oooh! So you also have bacon? We haven't imported everything yet? And SP-2 is definitely a CARAUL for Ukraine! I wonder what Kobolev will sing when this rusty pipe starts to fall apart by itself? Nobody gives money for its repair yet!
      1. Destiny
        Destiny 18 February 2021 07: 46
        +15
        And what did they think, and will spit in the well? Freebie is running out. Nothing, America will help, she's with them - let them buy liquefied.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 04
        -1
        Quote: Egoza
        that Kobolev will sing when this rusty pipe starts to fall apart by itself?

        And he doesn't look that far
        The main thing now is to crow, but at least don't come up there
      3. Insurgent
        Insurgent 18 February 2021 08: 21
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        I wonder what Kobolev will sing when this rusty pipe starts to fall apart by itself? Nobody gives money for its repair yet!

        And no one will give No. Wealthy moles-European officials will count and issue a verdict - "Come on, nafig him! .....!", and will prefer transportation through" SP 1-2 "(the economy will win politics), with all the ensuing consequences for the Okrug ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 February 2021 09: 31
          0
          Quote: Insurgent
          Wealthy moles, European officials will count, and pronounce a verdict - "Oh, well, he nafig! .....!"

          Someone who, and Euro-moles can count money, and think "why do we need an extra poor relative at our wedding," we'd better send him a bottle of vodka by mail.
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 18 February 2021 10: 37
          +1
          Quote: Insurgent
          And no one will give


          I will add that only the "occupiers" can invest in the reconstruction when the pipeline is under the control of the Russian Federation, which is logical.

          I guess the question is "Why?" Answer - THREE pipes are always better than TWO ...
        3. Polymer
          Polymer 18 February 2021 17: 29
          -1
          Quote: Insurgent
          Wealthy moles, European officials will count, and pronounce a verdict - "Oh, well, he nafig! .....!"

          I would not be so optimistic. Uncle Sam will easily explain to these Eurocrots that twice two equals three - and, alas, they will believe him.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 18 February 2021 18: 56
            +2
            Quote: Polymer
            I would not be so optimistic. Uncle Sam will easily explain to these Eurocrots that twice two equals three - and, alas, they will believe him.

            A purring belly will tell them they are being deceived yes
            1. Polymer
              Polymer 18 February 2021 19: 02
              -1
              Quote: Insurgent
              A purring belly will tell them they are being deceived

              Yes, they will understand even earlier that they are being deceived. Only this will not affect the result. They have long become those mice that "injected, cried, but continued to eat the cactus."
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 18 February 2021 08: 43
      +4
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Do you want 140 billion cubic meters of pumping per year?

      No, this is Naftogaz. There will be no transit - how can "reverse" gas be sucked out of Slovakia?
      He will go (if he does) from the other side. angry
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 February 2021 09: 32
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        He will go (if he does) from the other side.

        Rightly noted, "on the other side."
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 February 2021 09: 28
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Do you want 140 billion cubic meters of pumping a year?

      Yes, their pipe, this will no longer stand. Anyway, in a couple of years it will be all in holes from rust.
  3. Asad
    Asad 18 February 2021 07: 38
    +7
    Completion, do not even hesitate, or rather do not hope! In short, it's time to fall into despair! Although Putin promised to leave the transit crumbs.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 18 February 2021 07: 44
      +16
      You did not understand. There, on the contrary, they will be puffed up that Russia will finish the construction and immediately attack the Outskirts. This is their lullaby. Like, fellow citizens are suckers! We have passed the country, but everything will be fine! Soon the Russians will build a pipe, they will immediately conquer us - but how can we not conquer us? And we will instantly build the country from ruins for the third time - they are no stranger to it. And we will only moan and complain that we have been occupied. And there is no need to work, occupied - feed! In general, as usual.
      That's just some trouble - no one wants to occupy them at all, everyone is tired
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 05
        +14
        Quote: Cowbra
        And there is no need to work, occupied - feed!

        1. Fluk54
          Fluk54 18 February 2021 08: 25
          0
          I saved it. Fine!
  4. mark1
    mark1 18 February 2021 07: 41
    +11
    The parasites were agitated, they sensed an antihelminthic.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 February 2021 07: 43
    +5
    Kobolev insists that Nord Stream 2 is precisely a political project, not an economic one, and is directed primarily against Ukraine.
    And as it got colder (not freezing STILL !!!), so immediately psheki, francs, nemchura, etc. increased gas pumping for themselves at times. laughing Freeze, you see! And you can bark at the SV-2 in unison with the owner! bully
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 18 February 2021 07: 53
      .
      Quote: aszzz888
      Kobolev insists that Nord Stream 2 is precisely a political project, not an economic one, and is directed primarily against Ukraine.
      And as it got colder (not freezing STILL !!!), so immediately psheki, francs, nemchura, etc. increased gas pumping for themselves at times. laughing Freeze, you see! And you can bark at the SV-2 in unison with the owner! bully

      Do you have any fat from this pipe?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 18 February 2021 08: 01
        +4

        alpamys (...)
        Today, 07: 53
        ... do you have any fat from this pipe?
        It seems the article is not about me. fool
      2. Quadro
        Quadro 18 February 2021 09: 49
        0
        Quote: alpamys
        Quote: aszzz888
        Kobolev insists that Nord Stream 2 is precisely a political project, not an economic one, and is directed primarily against Ukraine.
        And as it got colder (not freezing STILL !!!), so immediately psheki, francs, nemchura, etc. increased gas pumping for themselves at times. laughing Freeze, you see! And you can bark at the SV-2 in unison with the owner! bully

        Do you have any fat from this pipe?

        And you a monster from a ukrop pipe do you have any fat? Everywhere your sect is rubbing in about personal profit, pseudo-communists with the cult of the golden calf.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 07
      -1
      Quote: aszzz888
      And you can bark at the SV-2 in unison with the owner!

      They will not bark, they will be excommunicated from the bowl
      Ask anyone who has a dog laughing
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 18 February 2021 09: 48
        0

        Lipchanin (Sergey)
        Today, 08: 07

        +2
        Quote: aszzz888
        And you can bark at the SV-2 in unison with the owner!

        They will not bark, they will be excommunicated from the bowl. ...
        Sergey, hi ! Yes, yes. Merikatos will instantly put on a one-meter chain, and put a bowl 1,5 m. wink
        Ask anyone who has a dog laughing
        This is a fact.
        P.S. I have a wolf, it doesn't bark easier with it.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 16
          -2
          Quote: aszzz888
          P.S. I have a wolf, it doesn't bark easier with it.

          But he wants to eat too hi
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 18 February 2021 07: 44
    +3
    The halt in the construction of the Russian Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is a matter of life or death for Ukraine

    Which side to look at?
    From one look, a natural question arises - Have you tried to work? Themselves, with their own hands to provide for their country, provide for themselves?
    And on the other hand, those who feed from the pipe, they are not waiting for the best times .... although, the most important ones have already been "sucked" so much that their children / grandchildren will have enough of them! But, greed has no limits!
    One thing is clear, this is not for the country, not for the people, these are chic intereses of specific faces ... however, as elsewhere.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 41
      -1
      Quote: rocket757
      Have you tried to work?

      Only guest workers
      Therefore, for visa-free travel
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 February 2021 08: 45
        +2
        There are different people there, BUT, now there is such a period, under the horse racing, a lot of money is made, in the interes of specific faces !!!
        The situation is standard, in many places it was like this ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 18 February 2021 09: 45
          -1
          Quote: rocket757
          The situation is standard

          Run in more than once
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 18 February 2021 10: 20
      -2
      Quote: rocket757
      - Have you tried to work?

      I found
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 February 2021 10: 45
        0
        So in any country there is anything .... although the final result is important, not chatter.
  7. HAM
    HAM 18 February 2021 07: 45
    +9
    Kobelev chose a good time for complaints: there is a dubar in Europe, there is not enough gas for the Yankees themselves, and then there are Asians ready to buy all the gas at any price .... so the question is, "whose life and death"? .... Who will save Ukraine when his own skin is bursting?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 13
      0
      Quote: HAM
      ..Who will save Ukraine when his own skin is cracking?

      Well, if only to the museum of relics.
      After all, the most ancient race invented the wheel and dug up the whole sea.
      I am silent about the rest of the "little things" lol
      1. HAM
        HAM 18 February 2021 08: 18
        +2
        It seems that Klitschko looked 40 years ahead, and this is not what he describes, but the future of Ukraine ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 18 February 2021 08: 44
          +1
          Quote: HAM
          It seems that Klitschko looked 40 years ahead.

          1. APASUS
            APASUS 18 February 2021 09: 06
            +3
            Vitalik's golden words.
            It is necessary to lay out in gold letters on the Maidan!
  8. ximkim
    ximkim 18 February 2021 07: 52
    +4
    They began to raise a fuss, as the prospect of losing money from gas transit appears on the horizon.
  9. Cron
    Cron 18 February 2021 07: 54
    +2
    When you receive income from the pipe, it is a matter of life or death.
    When you have to spend money on an aggressive vaccine, it's about taking care of your citizens.
  10. Machete
    Machete 18 February 2021 07: 57
    +1
    Even if they stop the flow, no one will drive trillions of cubic meters through the 404th.
    There, rather, the break with the EU will go and reorientation to Asia.

    The naive dreams of "Diggers" will remain so dreams.
  11. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 February 2021 08: 02
    +4
    "A question of life or death": "Naftogaz" of Ukraine calls to stop the construction of "Nord Stream-2"
    Where can Naftogaz and Ukraine get their freebies from? request
  12. prior
    prior 18 February 2021 08: 05
    +6
    If the issue of SP-2 for Ukraine is a matter of life and death, then it is necessary to help the neighbors and not make them suffer for a long time. Death of Bandera Ukraine.
    If the issue of supplying water to Crimea for Ukraine is a matter of de-occupation, then it is necessary to de-occupy Ukraine from the fascist-Bandera regime.
  13. svp67
    svp67 18 February 2021 08: 05
    +4
    Kobolev is convinced that the completion of the construction of the Russian gas pipeline, which, in his opinion, is "part of the state's defense", will make Ukraine defenseless "against Russian military aggression."
    And this is with "Europe's most powerful army", when "the whole world is for them," and the United States is "with them, with them" .... How sad.
  14. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 18 February 2021 08: 11
    +2
    Guys, what kind of Eastern beast 2 is. Subtropics in the snow in Russia. Palms in the snow, beautiful. Maybe enough, for a common cause I’ll endure until Europe crawls on my knees with 404 on my knees, it’s disgusting for us to even name it.
  15. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 18 February 2021 08: 21
    +1
    This cold and snowy winter showed all the defenselessness and dependence of Europe before the fascist regime of Ukraine. If the rotten pipes of the Naftogaz gas transportation system break through, the European butts in lace panties will freeze, and therefore an additional supply option is needed. LNG is pampering.
  16. Guards turn
    Guards turn 18 February 2021 08: 26
    +1
    Europe now has no time for kobolev, the winters have come to Europe severe, wind turbines do not turn, birds freeze on the fly, there is no alternative to Russian gas. According to the Gas Infrastructure Europe portal, European underground gas storage facilities were filled by 42,65%, which is 4,86 points below the average for the last five years, Interfax reports. The cold front, dubbed "The Beast from the East 2" by analogy with the legendary cold snap three years ago, continues to influence active gas extraction. A week ago, Europe was hit by a wave of cold and snowfall. The minimum temperature value was recorded then on Monday, February 8th. But if in the following days the daytime temperature increased, night frosts remained below -10 ℃ until the end of the week. Gas reserves in Germany (on the main gas market in Europe) fell to 34,17%, in Austria - to 45,28%, the Czech Republic - 41,08%, Poland - 52,27%, France - to 30,07%.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 18 February 2021 08: 43
      -3
      The windmills are spinning, but when the temperature drops in some areas of Germany, they were iced up and they fought with it, yes. But birds do not fall on the fly, for those that have passed minus 10 are not minus 50.
      And today in Germany it is already up to plus 12. Small gas reserves, yes, but this is not critical.
      ..
      That is, in fact, not everything is as scary as you "paint" and small reserves were due to the previous warm winters
      1. Guards turn
        Guards turn 18 February 2021 09: 26
        +1
        If it was "not critical and not so scary" as YOU write, then foreign investors did not pull the Russian pipe by sea to Germany, but everything is simple - they decided to lower the cost in this way.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 18 February 2021 09: 31
          -1
          The sea is pulled not because of the "criticality" but because of the cheapness. Gas via SP2 will be cheaper than gas via Ukraine. This is the main reason. The second is Germany's abandonment of nuclear power.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 18 February 2021 10: 21
            -1
            Quote: Svetlana
            cheaper

            How much is this?
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 18 February 2021 22: 37
              0
              Quote: WIKI
              How much is this?

              In 2016 Gazprom "This allows us to show that the cost of gas delivery from Russia to Germany via Nord Stream is 1,6 times lower than transit through the territory of Ukraine with the existing transit tariff" ... The supply route through Ukraine is more than two thousands of kilometers longer ...
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 19 February 2021 21: 15
                0
                And when will the difference in transit pay for it ?: https://www.forbes.ru/biznes/386611-nepokorennaya-evropa-kakuyu-cenu-pridetsya-zaplatit-rossii-za-severnyy-potok-2
                1. Brturin
                  Brturin 19 February 2021 21: 53
                  0
                  Quote: WIKI
                  And when will the difference in transit pay off?

                  And how are the difference in transit and payback related? The payback is related to the volume of pumping and the price of gas. I have already asked the question: When will the Southern Gas Corridor pay off for $ 40 billion and 16 billion in pumping?
                  1. WIKI
                    WIKI 19 February 2021 23: 38
                    0
                    Quote: BrTurin
                    The payback is related to the volume of pumping and the price of gas.

                    You surprise me. Isn't the payback going to depend on the cost of the object itself? If, for example, pipes are used not of steel but of stainless steel. And your 1,6 times don't work. Only 1,19 times. And 1,6 - associated with pumping through internal pipelines.
                    1. Brturin
                      Brturin 20 February 2021 00: 19
                      0
                      Quote: WIKI
                      payback will not depend on the cost of the object itself

                      Depends, but the gas pipeline and equipment are new and therefore lower maintenance costs, plus this route is shorter and newer equipment of which is even less (the same compressor stations only at the beginning and end of the underwater part) and the carbon footprint that is so important for European ecologists is less ( in addition to nature, these are future taxes that the EU is going to introduce). Then it is necessary to take into account not only Ukraine, but also Slovakia and the Czech Republic ... And the absence of transit countries is, among other things, less paperwork, approvals, etc., that the same can be attributed to savings ... I do not know what is there and how but "OMV will receive attractive interest, they are paid after the project is put into operation" ... And the Germans are still stubborn - today "The main priority is to create conditions for the completion [of construction] of this pipeline" - Maas ... Naftogaz may be so interested. ...
    2. mark2
      mark2 18 February 2021 08: 47
      +2
      But what about green energy? Does not work? This heresy about alternative energy has shown its complete failure. In the vastness of YouTube, information came across that Germanmya is putting into operation previously mothballed nuclear reactors that have not yet been dismantled.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 18 February 2021 09: 08
        -3
        In the vastness of YouTube, information came across that Germanmya is putting into operation previously mothballed nuclear reactors that have not yet been dismantled.

        No, it doesn't. If Germany starts loading shutdown reactors, it will be on all news feeds.
        1. mark2
          mark2 18 February 2021 12: 50
          0
          Isn't YouTube the media?
          I hope you do not think that the media are representatives of freedom of speech and are independent? They tell and show exactly what the owner says. They are the mouthpiece of their master and the current system of the state.
          But I'm certainly not saying that YouTube is true. This is another dump. But I am sure that if you suddenly need to start the reactors, the media will not say ANYTHING about it. And the reason will be what I said above. Nobody wants to be held accountable for the billions stolen into green stuff and to admit the correctness of those who said that all these fans, generators and tides are complete nonsense.
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 18 February 2021 13: 16
            -1
            No, this is not the media. This is the platform.
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 18 February 2021 08: 26
    +1
    And Katz invites the pots to surrender. All the same, not a damn thing will come out of their swarm. As a result, everyone will leave from there, and striped, and shallow, and Poles with Canadians, and even rats will run away after the rich banderlog. And SP-2 is so, minor troubles for Svidomo compared to what awaits them.
  18. Sibguest
    Sibguest 18 February 2021 08: 34
    -1
    Chubaty apparently already obgadilis ("civilized" - without taking off the trousers).
    So we are doing everything right, the main thing is not to slow down!
    Let us extend the "gas helping hand" to the German proletariat, comrades!
  19. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 18 February 2021 08: 38
    +2
    It is necessary to popularly explain to the Sumerians that the pumping of gas through their Nazi Nezalezhnaya will stop when the contract ends, whether SP2 is completed or not, it doesn't matter, because Russia is not going to feed Bandera geeks so that they, damned Russophobes then on our own money, they poured shit on Russia.
    America will help you (s)
  20. Svetlana
    Svetlana 18 February 2021 08: 38
    +1
    Aggression / non-aggression is just rhetoric, but in principle, Kobolev told the truth. That is, after the launch of the gas pipeline, another strategic reality will come, and it was for this that the pipeline was built. They want to be independent, let them be. There is no need for adults and those living separately to milk everything.
  21. mark2
    mark2 18 February 2021 08: 42
    -1
    The halt in the construction of the Russian Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is a matter of life or death for Ukraine


    These are on the "needle" sitting like that. For them it is a matter of life and death. Oh how.
  22. Prisoner
    Prisoner 18 February 2021 08: 51
    0
    What kind of garbage can you think of, just not to lose free money? If we need to occupy this ... this, well, in general it, then wouldn't it have been easier to do it instead of building the SP-2, to spend money on the repair and development of the decrepit Ukrainian GTS? The logic of the Ukrainian Selyukov "elite" is something unique. Psychiatrists cannot study it again.
  23. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 18 February 2021 09: 01
    -2
    It is high time to gouge this Naftogaz with calibers ... We are too soft. Israel is bombing wherever and whenever it wants ...
  24. Dimy4
    Dimy4 18 February 2021 09: 01
    0
    Russia is against Ukraine, Russia wants to conquer Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor. Schizophrenia however.
  25. APASUS
    APASUS 18 February 2021 09: 04
    0
    The halt in the construction of the Russian Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is a matter of life or death for Ukraine. This was stated by the head of the board of NJSC "Naftogaz of Ukraine" Andrey Kobolev

    The basis of all the management of the country is to sit on the traffic flows of Russia. The country's top leadership does not even hide their inferiority
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 18 February 2021 10: 16
      +20
      Quote: APASUS
      The country's top leadership does not even hide their inferiority

      This is the sweet word "freebie"
  26. Volder
    Volder 18 February 2021 09: 05
    +2
    Soon Ukraine will become truly independent from aggressive Russia, finally getting rid of aggressive Russian gas. But instead of gaining independence, for some reason she signed a contract with aggressive Gazprom for 5 years. Probably, Russia is forcing poor Ukraine to buy unprofitable gas, because in fact Ukraine does not need it. These Russians cannot leave the Ukrainians alone in any way. Now they are forced to buy gas, then coal, then electricity, then lard, then 2 million inhabitants of Crimea were taken prisoner and are not released.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 18 February 2021 09: 25
      0
      But instead of gaining independence, for some reason she signed a contract with aggressive Gazprom for 5 years.
      That's for sure. All for dung! Give me full "nEzalEzhnost"!)
      1. cniza
        cniza 18 February 2021 10: 05
        0
        As long as their brains are nazalEjna crazy ...
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 18 February 2021 10: 14
        +20
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        signed a 5-year contract with aggressive Gazprom.

        There are 2 signatures. Why did Russia sign?
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 18 February 2021 10: 15
      +18
      Quote: Volder
      signed a contract with aggressive Gazprom

      Why did Gazprom sign?
      1. Volder
        Volder 28 February 2021 20: 02
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        Why did Gazprom sign?
        In order not to disrupt gas supplies to the EU countries. Why did Ukraine sign? Do you happen to know?
  27. leks
    leks 18 February 2021 09: 05
    -3
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: Cron
    No, Karl Marx

    Who wrote his nonsense with the money of Engels, who fed the large family of Marx, who did not work all his life, but sat on Engels's neck.
    And he would be a capitalist


    Considering K. Marx's Russophobia, how would he react to the fact that the Bolsheviks built their state according to his works, and he himself became one of the Bolshevik idols?
    It seems that not all of his works were translated into Russian due to statements about Russians and Russia.
  28. BAI
    BAI 18 February 2021 09: 18
    +2
    Completing the MG is not enough. It still needs to be certified. All certification companies are foreign. And not just foreign, but NATO countries. And which side will they take? USA or Russia?
  29. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 18 February 2021 09: 24
    0
    It's good that there is Facebook. Otherwise, the Nezalezhnaya Gramadians would not have known that they have a "government".
  30. cniza
    cniza 18 February 2021 09: 44
    -3
    Then our country will become much more vulnerable to Russian aggression. That is why stopping Nord Stream 2 "is, without exaggeration, a matter of life or death for our citizens.


    How tired of their whining, but did not try to work, offer the best services for the "aggressor", maybe then everything would be different ...
  31. svoit
    svoit 18 February 2021 09: 50
    -1
    Quote: tihonmarine
    It turns out that if there is no Russian gas in the pipe, then there is no need to defend against Russian troops

    The reason is that they hope that Russia will not be able to secure the entire gas pipeline and that it could be damaged in western Ukraine. And there are reasons for this - Russia could not take under the protection of power lines to the Crimea and the Bandera people blew them up
  32. New Year day
    New Year day 18 February 2021 10: 12
    +18
    ... The halt in the construction of the Russian Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is a matter of life or death for Ukraine.

    This is $ 3 billion that fell from the sky every year. Minister speaks correctly
  33. GAndr
    GAndr 18 February 2021 12: 41
    -1
    Soon, soon ...
  34. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 18 February 2021 12: 42
    -2
    The question of life or death was the dispersal of the Bandera fascists in 14, now it is dead anyway.
  35. iouris
    iouris 18 February 2021 13: 32
    -1
    Where is the logic? Will the launch of the SP-2 finally begin the "liberation of the Crimea", which they talk about all the time? Crimea and Donbass - is it a transit fee?
  36. AlexeyEg
    AlexeyEg 18 February 2021 14: 39
    0
    Do Ukrainians think that we should feed them? But if they are with the States ... shouldn't the States feed them? Where is the logic???
  37. Artyom1979
    Artyom1979 18 February 2021 15: 16
    +2
    As far as I understand, when there is no gas in the pipeline, can the airborne troops easily penetrate to Ukraine and further to Europe? Which have already been created and are now training on the SP-2, while it is unfinished.
  38. NF68
    NF68 18 February 2021 16: 59
    0
    If such a "heavyweight" is calling to stop the completion of the SP-2, then it is clear that things are not going well for them. Only all this has long faded into the background. The coronavirus has gagged everyone and everything.
  39. Bare
    Bare 18 February 2021 17: 45
    0
    They would have built it faster, how tired of this question - hemorrhoids Ukraine, then they will clean it up and everything will be just great!
  40. zenion
    zenion 18 February 2021 20: 21
    0
    It can't be. If Russia lets oil and gas bypassing Ukraine, then Ukraine can retaliate with a blow that Russia cannot foresee in any way, you can easily bury the Black Sea, which they once dug. This is the first thing. Second, they can move the Crimean peninsula away from the constructed bridge.
  41. Konstantin_S
    Konstantin_S 19 February 2021 06: 13
    0
    A beautiful, honest and fair little creature is approaching the outskirts of 404, for which they fought, they will have to run into.
  42. wow
    wow 19 February 2021 09: 56
    0
    Ukropolitikum is idiot on idiot and idiot drives. The President of the Russian Federation expressed himself very lucidly at a meeting with media representatives recently that everything is simple to the point of primitiveness - the western masters of Ukraine want us to feed their project with our money and that's it!
  43. Lycan
    Lycan 19 February 2021 16: 07
    0
    Something I don't understand - if Ukraine needs "independence" - why are she and Kobolev so dependent on the Russian Federation?
    Well, buy (Ukraine with Kobolev) gas from the SGA! Why yell? Why would you buy something from the "enemy", be addicted to the "pipe"? And as soon as you switch to SGA-shny gas, you will immediately become "independent" (this can be guaranteed in a serious way).
  44. ankir13
    ankir13 20 February 2021 06: 13
    0
    Don't be afraid of the outskirts, the most powerful army in Europe, this is said about you, so it's not a pipe, but the army protects, although who needs you ... try to work ...