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Hitler's Palace in Ukraine: Secret Trips

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Hitler's secret trips to Ukraine



Hitler had many headquarters throughout Europe. But the most ambitious, both in size and in scope, was erected for the ambitious leader of the Nazis - it was in Ukraine.

What do we know about this today?

And the fact that Adolf liked it seems to be and live in Ukraine. Perhaps he even managed to love her? It is known for certain that Hitler visited several different cities of Ukraine at once.

And since even at the beginning of the war, he apparently considered Ukraine as his fiefdom forever, Hitler decided to acquire there a chic palace with a swimming pool, aqua entertainment and even his own casino. Oh, this was perhaps the largest of all his European residences, where many prominent politicians of those times who sympathized with the leader of the fascists stayed. But first things first.

At first, Hitler, as they say, "did not spend the night" in Ukraine, but was there on short visits.

Let's take a short tour of all the places that Hitler personally visited in Ukraine. Of course, he traveled some of them even before his own Ukrainian monastery appeared there. But he visited other Ukrainian townships when his palace in Ukraine was already built.

Apparently, it will not work to describe all Hitler's business trips to Ukraine at one time - there were not one or two such visits, but many. He visited Uman, Zhitomir, Berdichev, Poltava, Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Mariupol, and others. Therefore, we will talk more about all these trips of Hitler across Ukraine in this series of several articles.

In addition, the Fuehrer's retinue did not yawn either. His entourage did not want to lag behind their greedy leader at all in terms of grabbing real estate on Ukrainian lands. The fascist elite also built a lot of wonderful mansion houses in Ukraine and acquired very cozy apartments there.

Information about the real estate of the top of the Reich in Ukraine is scattered across many articles and documents. We tried to collect bit by bit what is known on this topic today.

We will definitely tell you about everything that we managed to find out about it. And we will even show you everything that has survived. Moreover, even what has not survived, we will also try to demonstrate to you. After all, today you can even study the lost in detail, thanks to historical reconstructions, documentary photographs and evidence.

So, historians have calculated that in general, Adolf Hitler spent on the territory of Ukraine occupied by him only in his own secret palace for 118 full days.

Много это или мало?

It's almost 4 months or about 17 weeks.

In other words, during the Great Patriotic War, the bloodthirsty Hitler walked, ate, slept and rested for 2832 hours by the fireplace or in his personal casino, and also led the Eastern operation to destroy the USSR from his own palace in Ukraine?

It turns out that so.

"This land is waiting for us." Hitler


Why did Hitler need Ukraine so much?

It's simple. Here is how he himself answered this question.

“We are struggling to pull out several meters of land from the sea, we suffer, reclaiming swamps, while in Ukraine there is boundlessly fertile land.

И this land is waiting for us.

Ukraine can give us what Germany lacks.

This task must be accomplished despite the losses, ”

- Adolf Hitler said about Ukraine.

Hitler's Palace in Ukraine: Secret Trips
And this is how the Ukrainians welcomed the Germans arriving in Western Ukraine in the summer of 1941: in embroidered shirts and with flowers.
Source: brewminate.com

In addition, the Fuehrer himself more than once, without guile, noted that

«for the Germans, Ukrainian lands are like India for the British.

And there you can manage with the help of a handful of people. "
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From the authentic statements of Hitler about Ukraine recorded by stenographers, the following have survived:

«Ukraine just incredibly beautiful.

From the plane it seems that under you promised land.

The climate in Ukraine is much milder than ours in Munich, the soil is unusually fertile, and people - in particular men - are lazy to the point of impossibility. "

“Yesterday I rode a motor boat along one of the Ukrainian rivers - the Bug. And all the nature around was very much like the Weser, where forests also grow on the banks of the river.

But, unfortunately, here they are completely overgrown with weeds and are very swampy, the land is almost completely uncultivated, and no cattle graze in the meadows.

For the locals (on this fertile land they already have everything), obviously, do not want to lift a finger without special need. "

“You can see people sleeping everywhere.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainians had a period of cultural flourishing - it seems, in the X-XII centuries.

But now their churches, which have cheap gilded images, are as convincing proof of their spiritual decline as museums, which - at least in the ones I have visited - exhibit collections of old-fashioned junk.


Photo from the newspaper "Ukrainian Word" on December 17, 1941. The inscription on the left in Ukrainian: “The Ukrainian population warmly welcomed the appearance on sale of color portraits "Release" (Liberator) A. Hitler... In the photo: Kievites are buying portraits of the Fuehrer. Photo by Yuri Serdyukov. Source: lifeintravel.com

And here is how Martin Bormann looked at the prospects of Ukraine for Berlin:

“I have not seen a single person wearing glasses, very many have magnificent teeth, they are well-nourished and, obviously, remain in good health to a ripe old age.

Under the influence of the unusually difficult conditions in which these people have lived for many centuries, a natural and very careful selection took place.

Any of us, having drunk a glass of raw water, will immediately fall ill.

And these people live in mud, among sewage, drink some kind of terrible water from their wells and rivers and do not get sick. "


Poster (handwritten) - water for Germans only.

“The growth in the number of these Russians or the so-called Ukrainians in not too distant times will pose a threat to us.

We are interested in whether these Russians or so-called Ukrainians did not multiply too much:

after all we intend to ensure that one day all these previously considered Russian lands will be completely populated by Germans».

- such was the cynical, but honest and open confession of Martin Bormann on July 22, 1941 about Ukraine.

You will be surprised, but a united Europe during the Third Reich refused to vaccinate Ukraine. Yes, it was Hitler who first of all forbade the vaccination of Ukrainians. Here's what he, in general, considered necessary to do to reduce the number of local residents there:

“As for the hygiene of the conquered population, we are not at all interested in spreading our knowledge among them and thereby creating a completely undesirable base for them for a colossal population growth.

Therefore, it is necessary to prohibit carrying out any hygienic actions in these territories ”.

But this was the position of the Fuhrer on the education of Ukrainians:

“In no case should the local population be granted the right to receive higher education.

If we make this mistake, we ourselves will raise those who will fight against our power.

Let them have schools, and if they want to go to them, then let them pay for it. But the maximum that should be taught to them is to distinguish road signs.

The lessons of geography should be reduced to making them remember: the capital of the Reich is Berlin and each of them should visit there at least once in their life.

When it comes to opening schools for the local population, we should never forget that in the eastern lands occupied by our troops you should apply the same methods that the British used in their colonies».


German money for Ukraine. They were in circulation from 1942 to 1945. The course was then: 10 karbovanets for 1 Reichsmark. Source: Wiki

We note right away that for a long time it was somehow not accepted to tell the bitter truth about Ukraine. About the very western outskirts of the USSR, which accepted Hitler and Nazism with open arms, called him a liberator and savior, and also met the Fuhrer in embroidered shirts and with flowers.

According to the memoirs of local residents of the city of Uman, published in the newspaper "Tyumen Courier" in No. 160 of September 2, 2011 and in No. 161 of September 3, 2011, the townspeople of Uman met the Nazis with bread and salt:

“On August 1, German infantry began to enter the city (Uman) from the western outskirts without a single shot.

Nobody offered any resistance to them.

We, teenagers, hiding in the gardens, cautiously watched from a distance the Germans who walked openly without any fear for ourselves.

The streets of the city were completely empty that day,

but in the center the Germans were greeted with bread and salt».

However, almost all of Europe did the same then.

But who could have guessed that Hitler would want to settle in Ukraine in a sense? Get real estate?

To be honest, ordinary Soviet citizens, like us now, were not at all aware that this wolf (and this is how the name Adolf is translated, as experts say) would entrench itself so firmly in Ukraine then?

Did the main "liberator of Ukraine" live on Ukrainian soil for 118 days and nights?

So.

But first, in 1941, he only visited Ukraine on short visits. But from the summer of 1942 to August 1943 - yes, at times he lived there. Not all 17 weeks in a row, but in periods. Short and long business trips, so to speak.

We will begin our story about exactly where he visited in Ukraine with his visit there in the summer of 1941. And that's why.

Hitler's visit to Uman on 28.08.41


In the last article "The legend about the battle of 150 border dogs with the Nazis. And Hitler's arrival in Ukraine in 1941»We have posted several photographs documenting Hitler's arrival in the city of Uman on August 28, 1941. Let's say right away that this was not his first visit to Ukraine. And, as you already understand, it is far from the last. But since we started telling you about Uman, let's take a closer look at this particular day: where did you come from, what did you visit, whether you spent the night or not, what you ate and drank, why you came, who you were with, etc.

What do we, in fact, know for certain about this day of Hitler in the city of Uman in occupied Ukraine?

And we know from various sources (documentary photos, memoirs and memoirs, German newsreels, books, etc.) that's what.

If it is short.

Why Uman?

First the bike.

Because it was there that the headquarters of the commander of Army Group South, Field Marshal Gerd von Rundstedt, recently moved.

And why did the generals choose this small regional center of the Cherkasy region?

As noted by experts, the main efforts of Rundstedt's onslaught at that time shifted to the south, to the Donbass and the Caucasus. The geographical position of Uman corresponded to this direction. A fairly developed road network, the presence of an airfield were also in favor of this city.

In all likelihood, the presence in the vicinity of Uman, in fact, of a pretty “palace” (a unique park complex with beautiful premises and landscape), which the German leadership considered worthy to settle there, also played an important role in the choice of the headquarters.

It was the former estate of Count Potocki (which he built for his third wife Sofia), with a magnificent arboretum and two lakes, waterfalls, canals, numerous grottoes and labyrinths, as well as sculptures in the classicism style. Now it is one of the most beautiful arboretums in Europe "Sofiyivka".

Tourists are told today that Hitler visited Sofiyivka several times. In addition, the famous "Pink Pavilion" is shown there to the people today as the place where Hitler allegedly received Mussolini.


Former Potocki estate. The pink pavilion in the Sofiyivka arboretum, where, according to legend, Hitler received Mussolini on August 28, 1941. Uman city, Ukraine. Source: khers-on.com

But apart from tales about the headquarters of the German armies in Sofiyevka near Uman, we did not find any photographs from the Pink Pavilion of Sofiyevka with Hitler and Mussolini. And although the Ukrainians claim that the secrecy label has not yet been removed from this kind of photo documents, let us leave legends and stories aside and consider the facts and photo documents.

And now it's true.

From the memoirs of Hitler's personal bodyguard, Hans Rattenhuber (from the interrogation protocols published in the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda).

“Upon arrival in Uman, a tent was pitched near the airfield, where Field Marshal Kluge reported to Hitler and Mussolini the situation at the front, after which we all drove out in cars around the city.

The trip took place over a completely empty area.

And we met only a few trucks with Italian soldiers on the way, who were very surprised to see Mussolini. "


Aerodrome Uman (Ukraine). August 28, 1941. Source: televignole.it

On August 28, 1941, Hitler arrived at the Uman airfield (Ukraine) on a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor aircraft.

Hitler exits the plane at the Uman airfield, Ukraine. 28.08.1941 Source: televignole.it

This time Hitler brought an Italian guest to his place in Ukraine.

Back in mid-August, Hitler invited Mussolini to visit the Eastern Front. And on August 28, the dictators flew to the Ukrainian city of Uman, where, according to some sources, by that time the German headquarters of the commander of Army Group South had moved.


Mussolini exits the plane at the Uman airfield (Ukraine). 28.08.1941 Source: televignole.it

During the trip to Uman, both of these dictators were accompanied by senior military and government officials, as well as Mussolini's son from his second marriage, Vittorio.


Vittorio Mussolini. Photo of 1937. Source: m.fishki.net

At the Uman airfield, the first persons of Germany and Italy of those years were greeted by German troops and Ukrainian women with flowers.


Images from a German newsreel about Hitler's visit to Uman. August 28, 1941. Source: History Lab.

After a general report on the situation at the front and the battles near Uman, Hitler and Mussolini had a snack right at the airfield.


Aerodrome Uman (Ukraine). August 28, 1941. Source: reddit.com

For this, the tables were placed right at the airport. According to the memoirists, on that day Hitler ate soldier's food twice.

"During this trip, Hitler ate two times at the airport from the soldiers' kitchen,"

- Hitler's personal bodyguard, Hans Rattenhuber, recalled (from the interrogation protocols published in the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper).

After that, the leaders went in one car to meet fresh Italian troops arriving in Ukraine to fight the USSR. But at the appointed place, the column of Italian soldiers was not there. It turned out that their trucks got stuck in a Ukrainian abyss after a heavy rain.


Italian convoy on the march in the summer of 1941. Ukraine. Source: televignole.it


The road in the vicinity of Uman (Ukraine). 28 August 1941 Source: war-documentary.info

Therefore, Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini went to the suburbs. (There are two versions. According to the first of them, the meeting of the Italian troops took place on the road near the village of Legedzino. According to the second version - near the village of Ladyzhenka).

В the newspaper "Tyumen Courier" in No. 160 of September 2, 2011 and in No. 161 of September 3, 2011 documents were published, which said:

"August 28 to the location of the headquarters of Army Group South near the village of Legedzino Hitler flew near Uman together with the Italian dictator Mussolini. "

When the meeting of the troops finally took place, the dictators saw a depressing picture: the Italian soldiers were exhausted by the long march and looked, to put it mildly, casual.


Benito Mussolini (foreground, center) speaking with commander Giovanni Messe, with Adolf Hiter (right) and field marshal Gerd von Rundtstedt in the truck beside them, during the inspection of Italian units near Uman (south of Kiev), Ukraine. At left is Nazi official Martin Bormann. Photograph, 28 August 1941. Source: warfarehistorynetwork.com



Benito Mussolini e Adolf Hitler in testa ad un'autocolonna militare Ucraina nell'agosto 1941. Uman (Ukraine) 28 August 1941 Source: televignole.it

Some sources report that after that Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini flew from the Uman airfield (Ukraine) back to the Hitler’s residence (Poland).


At the Uman airfield. (Ukraine). August 28, 1941 Source: waralbum.ru


28.08.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX Ukraine. Uman

On the way back, Mussolini sat in the cockpit. And he even allegedly asked to "steer" a little.


Incontro di Benito Mussolini e Adolf Hitler alla stazione presso al quartier generale tedesco nell'agosto 1941. Source: televignole.it

And from the residence of Hitler, Mussolini left by train to Rome.

By the way, Benito Mussolini had his own personal carriage. This is how its interior looked inside.



Benito Mussolini's personal railway carriage. Source: m.fishki.net

Some authors also report that the end of the visit was not quite usual at that time. At the end of Mussolini's trip to Hitler in Uman, an incident occurred.

“The parting of the dictators was accompanied by a comic episode. Hitler wanted to see his guest all the way to the border.

At Brenner, he boarded a train that was to take him back. The military band played hymns. At the last bars, as foreseen, the train started.

However, having driven several tens of meters uphill, he stopped and backed up: Hitler's window turned out to be opposite Mussolini. The orchestra played hymns again, and the dictators exchanged greetings again.

The train tried again and again. The sounds of hymns echoed with death knells in the ears of the heads of the protocol departments.

After seven attempts Mussolini ordered to stop the music, and the ensuing silence apparently destroyed the witchcraft: this time Hitler really left. Nobody greeted him, thinking that he would return again.

An investigation from the Italian side revealed that German railroad workers were to blame for the incident, and this caused Mussolini to glee.

However, when, a few days later, Anfuso met his German colleague and hurried to ask if he had suffered much from the Fuehrer, he replied:

"What are you, the Italians were to blame."
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Here is what Hitler's personal bodyguard Hans Rattenhuber told about this trip (from the interrogation reports published in the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda):

“I have already indicated that Hitler and Mussolini each rode their own special train..

Flights to Brest and Uman also were committed in various aircraftbecause there was a special instruction from Hitler on this matter. "

"Hitler appointed his chief pilot, Lieutenant General Baur, to pilot Mussolini, and Colonel Doldi drove Hitler's plane."

«During car trips, Hitler and Mussolini sat in the back together... Adjutant Schaub or Schmidt usually sat next to Kempka's driver in the same car.

"I was not present during the conversations between Hitler and Mussolini, therefore I do not know their content."

Four day visit


We were also able to find references that Mussolini's visit to Hitler was by no means a one-day one.

It turned out that Mussolini came to Hitler a few days before his trip to the Ukrainian Uman.

His visit to the Fuehrer began on August 25, 1941. The Italian dictator first arrived in Rastenburg at Hitler's headquarters (today it is Poland, the city of Kętrzyn).


Incontro di Benito Mussolini e Adolf Hitler alla stazione presso al quartier generale tedesco nell'agosto 1941. Source: televignole.it

From there both dictators went to Brest the next day.


Hitler and Mussolini in the destroyed Brest Fortress. August 26, 1941. Source: fotostrana.ru

Hitler really wanted to brag about the capture of a fortified Soviet fortress.


Brest Fortress. August 26, 1941 Source: fotoload.ru

There they examined the ruins of the Brest Fortress.


Adolf Hitler y Benito Mussolini visitan la fortaleza de Brest en 1941 August 26 Source: fotoshistoricas.net

There is evidence that “suddenly Mussolini drew attention to some inscription scrawled on the wall, and asked to translate these words for him from Russian:

«I’m dying, but I don’t give up! Goodbye beloved homeland».

This inscription shocked very much dictator. Mussolini the rest of the day was unusually silent. "

And only then Hitler will take Mussolini to the Ukraine in the city of Uman.


Hitler and Mussolini drive along the street of the city of Uman (Ukraine). Source: media-uman.com

After a trip to Uman, both flew away from there by plane.


Uman. August 1941 Source: war-documentary.info

It must be said that this four-day visit by Mussolini to Hitler and to the Eastern Front was also filmed by German cameramen.


Source: gettyimages.it

It was from those documentaries that the Germans assembled a propaganda newsreel. The purpose of this video was to convince German viewers of the imminent victory of the Wehrmacht.

However, we will remind that in a couple of months in December of the same 1941 - the Nazi offensive near Moscow will be stopped by the Red Army. True, that summer, neither Hitler nor Mussolini had ever suspected this fiasco.

You can make sure that the above archival photographs from various sources were indeed taken, including during Hitler's visit to Ukraine on August 28, 1941 in the city of Uman, by watching a five-minute video (5:27).


Hitler and Mussolini visit Brest (26.08.1941), then Uman city in Ukraine (28.08.1941) Source: HistoryLab

However, these were far from all important events from that Fuehrer's trip to Ukraine.

Uman pit


The witnesses of that trip of the Fuhrer to Uman point to another extremely significant detail of that tour.

Among other things, Hitler wanted to show Mussolini his main trophy - the captured Red Army soldiers from the Uman cauldron. The Germans then placed them in a concentration camp, which in common parlance was called the "Uman pit". It was located not far from Uman.


"Uman pit". Concentration camp. 1941 Source: umanlibrary

Several documents and testimonies were published in the newspaper "Tyumen Courier" in No. 160-161 dated September 2-3, 2011, where, in particular, it was indicated that on that day (August 28, 1941) from the Uman airfield, the motorcade of Hitler and Mussolini first turned to the place where thousands Soviet prisoners of war. It was a quarry of a brick factory, turned by the invaders into a transit concentration camp, which went down in history under the name "Uman Pit".

There, in the former foundation pit, where they used to extract clay for a brick factory, almost 70-80 thousand people were kept in the mud right in the open air. Although, according to the admission of the fascists themselves, no more than ten thousand prisoners could be accommodated there.

Before taking prisoners of the Red Army men who were in the Uman cauldron, the Nazis constantly bombarded them with such leaflets:


German leaflet, 1941 Source: novorossy.ru

The text stated that the Germans allegedly guaranteed:

"German officers and soldiers will give ... a good welcome, feed ... and get a job."

"You will be well treated and fed, and you will soon return to your homeland."

Lies.

The local museum specialists have preserved footage shot by the Germans themselves. They show better than any words what exactly this "Uman pit" was like for Soviet prisoners of war at that time.

These three plus minutes (3:41) are worth watching. To be horrified at the exact position of the captured Red Army servicemen in August 1941 near Uman.

This is exactly such a true German GULAG (this is a word-quote from a film fragment), as it was recorded by documentary filmmakers in this short video, titled "Uman Pit" Hitler showed Mussolini on that day, August 28, 1941. Apparently, it was this impressively tragic spectacle that was the main and main purpose of that very visit to the city of Uman in Ukraine, both for Adolf Hitler and for Benito Mussolini.


The video was shot by the Germans. Source: Uman Regional Museum (Ukraine), German chronicles. This material was prepared by V.M. Davydyuk

This should not be forgotten.

Start of construction of Hitler's palace in Ukraine


Well, where is the promised story about Hitler's palace in Ukraine?

Here we are just in time for the story about him and came close.

The fact is that in the summer of 1941, Hitler seriously began to think about the fact that, they say, it would be time for him to acquire a secret permanent and personal residence there, on the lands of Ukraine that he loved.

And at that time he was very actively looking for a place for his future chic Ukrainian nest.

His idea was truly grandiose: I wanted to build something colossal and amazing there. Such that he had never had before in Europe.

Helpful subordinates offered him various options for plots of Ukrainian land for the upcoming construction. The Fuhrer thought, found fault with the details and chose.

The goals and purpose of the construction of the Fuehrer's residence in Ukraine were carefully classified. The Nazis deliberately spread rumors that they were supposedly building rest homes for German soldiers and officers who were fighting on the Eastern Front. They even came up with a sign:

"Sanatorium".

In the next article, we will tell you and show what kind of a unique palace-sanatorium Hitler built for himself in occupied Ukraine. We will also continue to acquaint you with the places that are marked on the tourist routes of Ukraine today with the words:

"Here was the liberator Hitler."


The Italians themselves signed this photographic document of theirs for the state archive: “The convoy on the march in Russia in the summer of 1941 ". And then, by the way, they came to conquer Donbass. And they died, including near Debaltsevo ...

To be continued ...
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 21 February 2021 04: 24
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    What Hitler could not do, Obama did, tore Ukraine away from Russia ... now there is a long struggle for it. Strategically, this simply needs to be done, otherwise Ukraine will be constantly used against us as a battering ram to destroy Russia's statehood from within.
    1. svp67
      svp67 21 February 2021 04: 42
      +29
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      What Hitler could not do, Obama did, tore Ukraine away from Russia ...

      ?????? Obama? Sorry, but I disagree. The fact that Ukraine is now a hostile state to us is 80% our own fault and only 20% of the rest.
      a chic palace with a swimming pool, aqua entertainment and even its own casino.
      So this is where Navalny got his inspiration ... wink
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 21 February 2021 05: 01
        +5
        Without the support of the Americans, the Maidan would have failed, although I agree that this is our fault. Bandera who met the Nazis with flowers and Bandera who met the American ambassador did not differ from each other ... The essence remained the same.
        1. Profiler
          Profiler 21 February 2021 05: 55
          +8
          In addition, the Fuehrer himself more than once, without guile, noted that

          “For the Germans, the Ukrainian lands are like India for the British.

          And there you can manage with the help of a handful of people. "


          And unfortunately, from part of Hitler knew what he was talking about.

          The newspaper "Khliborob" ("Khleborob") published by the occupation administration in Volnovakha (Stalin region of the Ukrainian SSR) in 1942.

          We are talking about the false denunciations of villagers against each other out of envy or hostility, in order to settle personal scores with the hands of fascists.

          But even those were indignant on such a scale ...

          1. Mitroha
            Mitroha 21 February 2021 08: 12
            +4
            Interestingly, the informers were fined, but what did they do with those on whom they reported?

            It is known for certain that Hitler visited several different cities of Ukraine at once.

            Doubles or clones? Scandals, intrigues, investigations. laughing
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 21 February 2021 16: 26
              +2
              "informers were fined" in Russia there was a custom: "the first whip to the informer". So that it is not "enviable"
        2. svp67
          svp67 21 February 2021 05: 55
          +13
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Bandera who met the Nazis with flowers and Bandera who met the American ambassador did not differ from each other ...

          And how are they different from those from 1920, meeting the Polish troops in Kiev ...
          1. Profiler
            Profiler 21 February 2021 06: 30
            +6
            German money for Ukraine. They were in circulation from 1942 to 1945. The course was then: 10 karbovanets for 1 Reichsmark.


            The so-called "occupation marks", a larger denomination.

            1. vladcub
              vladcub 21 February 2021 16: 39
              +2
              "German money for Ukraine" for the sake of truth, the so-called "occupation marks" were used in France, Croatia, Serbia, Poland and Russia
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 21 February 2021 21: 21
                0
                So in Croatia there was an Independent Croatian State with its own money.
        3. 210ox
          210ox 21 February 2021 06: 37
          +14
          For more than twenty years, a vague policy has been pursued towards Ukraine. It was a warm place for circulated diplomats, worthless officials, such as Pochinok, Zurabov, etc. A place where a lot of money from Russia poured in, and in response they spat and were capricious. After reading the article, you understand that the seed left by the Nazis gave a sickly sprout.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 21 February 2021 07: 13
            -3
            Quote: 210ox
            and in response they spat and were capricious.


            And now read instead of the word "birds", the outskirts. Instead of "Vladik", Russia
          2. vitvit123
            vitvit123 21 February 2021 10: 31
            -1
            But what should have been the policy to have good relations with Ukraine? Tough politics - they get mad at us. Feed them, they still get mad at us. Yes, no politics can cope here. There should be only one state, then there will be less and less problems.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 21 February 2021 13: 01
              +3
              One state will no longer exist. At least two generations have grown up there who, for the most part, treat us extremely negatively.
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 21 February 2021 14: 49
                +1
                I asked a question there at the beginning, essentially your comment
                1. 210ox
                  210ox 21 February 2021 20: 48
                  0
                  About twenty years ago I came across such information in the net. I wanted to see the classics of the genre - "A Clockwork Orange" and followed the link to it. Operation Clockwork Orange, conducted by our special services against the Square. Allegedly, we are preparing to attack to enslave the light and wide. I’m thinking what nonsense. They then, if not before, considered us enemies. And we are for them, yes, any whim.
                  1. vitvit123
                    vitvit123 21 February 2021 20: 53
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                    So I tried to tell you something like that. It is obvious .
              2. sleeve
                sleeve 21 February 2021 19: 59
                +4
                Yes, it was all in our history. Even before the Tatar invasion, centrifugal forces scattered worse than the current one. And again they went to meet only after 500 years. And this is after the merry Sich raids and Cossack gulbisch in Russia in turmoil. Each event has its own reason. Then the speech arose about the destruction of Orthodoxy in Ukrainian culture. What will be the reason for rapprochement now? Maybe nothing. Galician Rus, having begun to retreat in the 12th century, turned into a different cultural community altogether. And not really that Russia in that Ukraine, which in the 17th century decided to unite, needed. There was a boat to cover that Ukraine. She became big and rich in Russia and at the expense of Russia in the literal sense. So we don't really need Ukrainian crumbs. I would return my own.
            2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 16: 40
              -3
              Quote: vitvit123
              There should only be one state here

              and you know the recipe how to make this "one"? Curious to listen.
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 21 February 2021 19: 55
                0
                With your question, perhaps, you want to show me that I myself do not know, but I say .... this will not work here, because the semantic emphasis of my first comment was a question, by the way, with the same purpose for which you asked me .. and the addition about one state was in the context of just the meaning of some kind of relations between the Russian Federation and Ukraine .. I tried to show that this is nonsense about wrong our relationship in the past. Whatever the relationship, Ukraine would always be unhappy because we cannot control this territory 100%. And if this territory was part of our state, then we would have the opportunity to influence the situation (for example, in Chechnya) .. and since this territory is not part of the Russian Federation, then it is stupid to talk about our wrong relationship with it. The outcome would always be the same.
                To your question .. but nothing smarter than what you yourself might think, I will not offer you. I could, of course, write primitive, simple answers (to show that I have not "merged"), but these are philistine thoughts, most likely similar to yours .. you can even consider that you nurtured me a little with your question ....
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 20: 01
                  -8
                  Powerful speech. So many laces around an elementary question of order yes / no question.
                  Quote: vitvit123
                  Yes, nothing, smarter than what you yourself might think, I will not offer you.

                  Say so - you have no recipe. Thanks, okay.
                  1. vitvit123
                    vitvit123 21 February 2021 20: 20
                    0
                    I didn't tell you that there is no recipe. I said that I would not tell you any other recipes that you yourself do not know ... and if you need a primitive, then please seize (territory), bribe (officials, population) ... the example of Crimea, South Ossetia, so on throw up. Now I'm waiting for your next comment ..
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 20: 25
                      -7
                      Why comment on the emptiness, carefully masked by verbiage as something thought-containing?))
                      1. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 21 February 2021 20: 31
                        +2
                        So I don’t understand why you initially got in with your question, knowing the answers to your question. Question for question? Why initially provoke me to verbiage? To be honest, I like to answer emptiness with emptiness, I don't have much fun, but, for some reason, earlier, a different impression was created about your comments .. a little surprised.
                      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 20: 52
                        -5
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        Why initially provoke me to verbiage?

                        Sorry, my question was extremely simple and, I hope, clear. Nostalgists for the 'one and unbreakable' are usually blown away at the stage of recapitulating their wet dreams of resuscitating the mentioned. You are no exception, as I see it. I have no more questions for you personally. hi
                      3. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 21 February 2021 20: 58
                        +2
                        Well, I told you the recipes (though you yourself could think of these)! Those. I answered your question in the same way, it is very clear (grab, bribe) look above. You didn't comment on them! They began to accuse me of idle talk, it turns out, unfounded! It turns out that you are "blown away" ... and how can you know about my wet dreams? This is clearly a lie (do not lose face), we do not know each other. Thank you for continuing the dialogue ..
    2. for
      for 21 February 2021 08: 47
      +1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Without American support, Maidan would have failed

      And that Obama was president there? Why was Lukashenka able to get away from power, while the yanyk is sitting out in Russia, in fact, he is a criminal, a traitor.
    3. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 21 February 2021 12: 01
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Bandera who met the Nazis with flowers and Bandera who met the American ambassador did not differ from each other ...

      the townspeople of Uman greeted the Nazis with bread and salt:

      This is the fate of the Limitrophe: you should always keep fresh bread and salt with flowers at hand.
    4. No name B
      No name B 21 February 2021 22: 16
      -3
      Without Yanukovoshch's support, the Maidan would have failed, nothing prevented him from dispering the Maidan, the police were only waiting for the command, which never came. All entrances to the Maidan were open, whatever you want and carry it. Hence the conclusion Janek was a recruited agent ... of Russia. Who used it to cover up the capture of Crimea and hold Ukraine, through the conflict in the Donbass, in the sphere of their interests. Otherwise, Ukraine finally drifted towards the EU. And that dear Russians, how is your / our agent, a professor in Rostov, doing? Do you want to squeeze him in one place to tell the truth about what was happening ???
      1. shtatsov
        shtatsov 22 February 2021 13: 00
        0
        What you are saying should testify to Russia's well thought out plans for Ukraine. What we have, unfortunately, judging by what has grown out of the former fraternal Republic, is not even close to being observed. And I had to act according to the situation. And it turned out well only with the Crimea!
        So no argument!
        1. No name B
          No name B 23 February 2021 11: 56
          0
          Argument and the most correct! Analysts in the General Staff do not eat their bread in vain, it is Russia that is weak and weak in public, and when it needs to be fast and decisive. Did the green men not come from Mars?
          Regarding - what has grown and conceived.
      2. your1970
        your1970 22 February 2021 17: 07
        0
        Quote: No name B
        Without the support of Yanukovosch, the Maidan would have failed, nothing prevented him from dispering the Maidan, the police were only waiting for a command, which never came.
        -throw .... he understood perfectly well that if he signed an order - to shoot at the Maidan, then no one would carry it out. Nobody at all ...
        As soon as the population ceases to believe in the state as the primacy of force, such a state immediately collapses ... There are a lot of examples in the 20th century - starting from the Republic of Ingushetia in February 1917
        Simply because the population begins to think - "What will I get for this? What if the other side wins?"
        everything is like in the army, “Either do not give impracticable orders, or try to get them executed in any way!” But there were no reliable forces for that, which is why the order to destroy the Maidan Yanukovych could not physically ...
        1. No name B
          No name B 23 February 2021 11: 59
          0
          A weak excuse, you are describing the final part, but the tragedy of the collapse of Ukraine began two months earlier and the government of Yanekovosch encouraged this in every way without interfering with it.
          It was not necessary to destroy physically, it was just necessary to physically disperse it. If he was used in the dark, then he is Judas, and if he understood and contributed, then let him be cursed.
          1. your1970
            your1970 23 February 2021 21: 02
            -1
            Quote: No name B
            It was not necessary to destroy physically, it was just necessary to physically disperse it.
            -you see ..
            if you do not destroy physically, they do not believe in such power ... And this was also proven in the 20th century ..
            In Czechoslovakia, our and the GDR patrols were stationed in the neighboring streets.
            In our patrols (10-15 people) spat, swore, threw stones and "Molotov", even shot ...
            in German (2-3-4 person) .... -the Germans drew two lines on the pavement, wrote GERMAN "Stop" and "They shoot without warning" - and silence ... well, the lines stood on the other side in silence, no more ...
            Moreover, the German patrols were fed free in the cafe, but they demanded crowns from ours, which ours did not have. Kicked out on the street - not as people with weapons - but as homeless people ...
            The difference between ours and the GDRovtsy understand ??? !!!
            the locals understood her perfectly- "Well Germans - and then the Russians. "Perfectly aware - that the Germans will slash with a machine gun and not scratch ...

            So it is with 404 in the country - this difference was perfectly understood in 2014 - Berkut can be beaten with truncheons, but with KPVT(who does not care language / pedigree / love of power) slash through the crowd - NOT If really Berkut would shoot a couple of hundred Maidan supporters, maybe everything was different ...
  2. vladcub
    vladcub 21 February 2021 16: 17
    0
    Navalny found there: his own church and customs, and Wolfschanze was present?
  3. qQQQ
    qQQQ 22 February 2021 10: 43
    0
    Quote: svp67
    The fact that Ukraine is now a hostile state to us is 80% our own fault and only 20% of the rest.

    Again, we are to blame, the Ukrainians themselves are 99% to blame. Russia cannot compete with the United States in the market for paying its allies. They print the dollar, and we earn. We offered Ukraine a joint work on its development, but Ukraine wanted quick money and a freebie, in general, acted like a woman with low social responsibility, so where is Russia's wine?
    1. No name B
      No name B 23 February 2021 12: 03
      0
      Don't tell my slippers, offered to work together his own (Russia) development. I wonder what position in Joint work and in general was there a boy?
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 23 February 2021 14: 00
        0
        Quote: No name B
        I wonder what position in joint work and, in general, was there a boy?

        Demand for high-tech and not only Ukrainian industry products, low gas rates, gas pumping through the GTS and much more to work, i.e. the opportunity to earn and develop. I did not offer freebies - I agree.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 21 February 2021 07: 18
    +3
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Obama did, tore Ukraine away from Russia.

    The ukronationalists, led by the ukronazist Kravchuk, and the inaction of the all-Union leadership, led by the worthless traitorous coward Gorbachev, as well as the indecision and cowardice of the so-called. "putschists", subsequently, betrayal of Russia's interests by Yeltsin.
    Unfortunately, the common people stupidly resigned themselves to this, but there was no organizing force.
    1. No name B
      No name B 23 February 2021 12: 08
      0
      Where were the communists? Life determines consciousness, which means that at that time there were such conditions that people were massively disappointed in communism, there will be no riches out of the dirt. Communists in power became conservatives, got fat, forgot their active youth, began to attach children to fat places, that's where the collapse began, no one wanted to defend such power.
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 24 February 2021 06: 12
        0
        Quote: No name B
        Where were the communists?

        So the communists and party organizations in the troops by this time were liquidated. Obviously, those who acted on the collapse of the USSR deliberately did this, depriving the army of the party leadership. And the actual military service presupposes, first of all, acting on orders. As Zhukov said: - "... I and the sergeant are in command of the army, the rest of the officers are just a transmission link ...". And at the top, at that time, there was no brave person.
        If we talk about civil party organizations, then their goals were completely different.
        As for the so-called. party nomenklatura, many of them, such as Yeltsin, were participants in the conspiracy. Those who resisted were simply killed, the so-called "wave of suicides" ...
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 21 February 2021 18: 42
    -1
    not Obama, but the Bolsheviks, led by Lenin ... hi
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 21 February 2021 20: 53
    0
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    What Hitler could not do, Obama did, tore Ukraine away from Russia ... now there is a long struggle for it. Strategically, this simply needs to be done, otherwise Ukraine will be constantly used against us as a battering ram to destroy Russia's statehood from within.

    Ukraine was torn off from Russia by the Belavezha Accord led by Yeltsin, if you have forgotten. What has Obama got to do with it? what And Yeltspna, by the way, was empowered by some "Russians" who gave him the necessary powers in the elections. And all Obama, Obama ...
  • Far B
    Far B 21 February 2021 04: 25
    -1
    Hmm ... Hitler built himself a gorgeous palace with aqua entertainment and a casino in Ukraine ... But, suppose there was a room for mud in that palace? if not, then Aloizych is finally a jerk
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 21 February 2021 04: 45
      -6
      Snotty compared to whom ??? Do not you confuse you with your comparison of real fascist palaces and the delirium of a deer, for which the descendants of those whose grandfathers and fathers staged genocide of the Russian-speaking population in the Ukrainian SSR rushed to harness? hi
      1. Far B
        Far B 21 February 2021 05: 24
        0
        Doesn't confuse you
        No, it doesn't bother. Because the natural decline in the population of the Russian Federation last year amounted to 700 thousand people. Is this not such a direct and open genocide of the people? Well, okay, I'll even agree. But I will ask the question - is it a mediated and hidden genocide - is it better, or what? As for me, on the contrary - it is often easier to cope with an obvious enemy than with someone who dresses in sheep's clothing.
        What are the demographic losses of the Russian Federation over the past 30 years?
        How many years has our economy been "stabilizing" (and actually rolling back)?
        How many years have the population's income been falling?
        How many years have healthcare, education, etc. been "optimized"?
        No, this, of course, is not genocide, but all sorts of palaces - Ololeshenka's delirium (generally do not care about him; they rewrote the conditional into real - and rightly so, they put others in jail for less. But why were they knocked down for 1,5 months again?)
        I have already cited this anecdote on the forum, but I think it makes sense to repeat it:
        The subject of the essay was strange. "If the Germans won?" Vitya P. strained all his imagination and creaked with a pen. Alas, it turned out to be some kind of monstrous, unimaginable list of absurdities. This could not have happened in Russia. But it was not the Germans who won in the end.
        "There will be practically no industry in the country, the occupiers will be concerned only with the siphoned off natural resources from our territories. Instead of the people's militiamen, there will be policemen from the rabble, there will be a lot of them, and the people will be afraid of them more than bandits. At every exit from the city, the police will be check those who are going to leave or come. Each resident will be required to register with the police at the place of residence. To maintain fear, they will create wild detachments of mountain peoples. They will from time to time attack the local population, rob and kill. Rulers will be recruited from especially vile local The children and wives of the rulers will live abroad for safety. And they themselves take turns here on a rotational basis. All the nobility will ride only in black German cars with sirens. Ordinary people will need to run away to the side of the road and wait until they pass. Fascism will eventually become the most popular doctrine out of general despair.Only Russian. which goods will be considered the best and most desirable in Russia. The President, he will speak German much better than Russian. Instead of vodka, they will advertise and sell beer everywhere, as in Germany. Those who fought against the Germans will receive pennies, and on holidays a meager dry ration. Russians killed in the war will be buried in mass graves, if only to be noted as a burial. Most of the country's male population will pass through the camps. To break the will to resist Teachers and doctors in the occupied territories will receive minimum maintenance, only so that the population does not shrink and oskotinize not very quickly. On the far outskirts of Russia, such as Primorye, partisans may remain. They will attack the policemen, but the frightened population will not help them in any way. Roads will not be built, and gasoline will be made more expensive, so that the people will stay at home. The people will be strictly forbidden to have weapons, so that they do not suddenly rebel. For the life of the population, cheap barracks with low ceilings, 8 meters per person, will be insisted. The most agile and intelligent will be given the opportunity to leave and live abroad, this will be considered a great success in life. America will be declared the main enemy of Russia. "
        The teacher Vera Pavlovna pondered the assessment for a long time. And set 3 for a good fantasy.
        1. Destiny
          Destiny 21 February 2021 05: 35
          +14
          Vera Pavlovna, one could give Vitya a "five".
        2. svp67
          svp67 21 February 2021 06: 02
          0
          Quote: Dalny V
          No, it doesn't bother. Because the natural decline in the population of the Russian Federation last year amounted to 700 thousand people.

          But it bothers me that you are "creepy" catching up, but why?
          The resident population of Russia as of January 1, 2021, according to preliminary estimates of Rosstat, was 146,24 million people, which is 510 thousand people less than on January 1, 2020 (146,75 million people).

          For 510 thousand people. I agree that this is a huge figure, but here it is worthwhile to understand that it also includes those who left Russia to their homes. I don’t know about you, but we have much less emigrants from the Central Asian republics. And then the reasons are also that due to the pandemic, the borders in the very season of their usual arrival in Russia to work were closed and according to our border services and the Federal Migration Service, 2020 thousand people left Russia in 377
          1. Far B
            Far B 21 February 2021 06: 07
            -2
            “No, it doesn't bother. Because the natural decline in the population of the Russian Federation last year amounted to 700 thousand people.

            But it bothers me that you are "creepy" catching up, but why?

            “The resident population of Russia as of January 1, 2021, according to preliminary estimates of Rosstat, was 146,24 million people, which is 510 thousand people less than on January 1, 2020 (146,75 million people).

            For 510 thousand people. I agree that this is a huge figure, but here it is worthwhile to understand that it also includes those who left Russia to their home. I don’t know about you, but we have much less emigrants from the Central Asian republics. And then the reasons are also that because of the pandemic, the borders were closed during the season of their usual arrival in Russia to work.
            I don’t know where you get the numbers. The figure you quoted actually referred to 9 months of last year, not the year as a whole. And if for a year, then keep:
            According to the latest data from Rosstat, at the end of 2020, the natural decline in the population of Russia (the excess of the number of deaths over the number of births) amounted to 688,7 thousand people, more than twice the figure for 2019 and reaching record values ​​since 2005 (then the natural population decline amounted to 846,6 thousand people).
            And this, mind you, decline natural - excess of the number of deaths over the number of births... Those who went home, as you have deigned to say, were not counted here from the word at all.
            1. svp67
              svp67 21 February 2021 06: 09
              +1
              Quote: Dalny V
              I don’t know where you get the numbers.

              Пожалуйста https://www.rbc.ru/economics/28/01/2021/6012a7ca9a7947d4e0e8042d
              Quote: Dalny V
              And if for a year, then keep:

              Where did you get these numbers?
              1. Far B
                Far B 21 February 2021 06: 18
                -4
                The quote also indicates - Rosstat data. But you didn’t bother to read the article using the link provided: there, after the introduction (which you quoted in your quote), it is stated in plain text that the data are preliminary, for January-November; December losses were not included. The further upward correction for the fourth quarter is explained by the fact that mortality data are often received late.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 21 February 2021 06: 24
                  +3
                  Quote: Dalny V
                  The quote also states - Rosstat data

                  Please link on the official website of Rosstat data only for 2019
                  1. Far B
                    Far B 21 February 2021 06: 34
                    -4
                    on the official website of Rosstat data only for 2019
                    Actually, as of January 1, 2020. As of January 1, 2021, there is still no final data (based on practice, Rosstat knocks out money about a quarter after the reporting date).
                    In this regard, I will not give a link. And the fact that your quote also refers to Rosstat data (preliminary, end of January), and mine too (last, about February 10). Mass media publishing information can receive information from Rosstat upon request within 10 days (according to the Law on Mass Media). Therefore, they somehow do not care about the official website of Rosstat.
                2. Looking for
                  Looking for 21 February 2021 17: 59
                  -1
                  The Graduate School of Healthcare Organization and Management (HSOUZ) is a unique scientific and methodological expert center in the field of healthcare organization and public health. You think that such a "source" of your quotes deserves attention !!!! on American-Sorovsk grants, they still do not write that.
            2. stalki
              stalki 21 February 2021 07: 10
              -3
              I don’t know where you get the numbers. The figure you quoted actually referred to 9 months of last year, not the year as a whole. And if for a year, then keep:
              https://yandex.ru/turbo/genby.livejournal.com/s/866093.html это вам так для размышления, реальность она требует более внимательных оценок. А то, вы, видете только то, что хотите видеть. Потрудитесь проверять свои выкладки и хорошо бы источники выкладывать которые "ваши" слова заверят. Если конечно это ваши слова lol
            3. Alex013
              Alex013 21 February 2021 13: 29
              +2
              Now children of the 90s give birth, children of the late 80s - the second (third child), in a few years there will be a small generation of the 90s - early 2000s, and then a real decline in the population will begin. Which emigrants cannot compensate. Growth will be in 10 years. When the reproductive age of the baby boomers of the 2010s will be ....
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 21 February 2021 08: 41
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            But it bothers me that you are "creepy" catching up, but why?

            And I am confused, why you do not want to see the consequences of the most mediocre management of the country?
            Mikhail cited a real fact, the population is declining at a monstrous rate.
            1. VORON538
              VORON538 21 February 2021 09: 13
              0
              Remind you that the mediocre reign began not even with the arrival of a drunken struggle, but long before that, after the death of Brezhnev, although the last few years had already been, how to put it mildly ... tired. All of them were members of the CPSU who dreamed of joining the Western elite, keeping their privileged places. They spit on building communism, socialism, or anything else. They clearly understood that they had already built communism for themselves and their offspring. They threw a bone to you. in the form of another fighter of the type with privileges. didn’t notice that he acts selectively? He doesn’t touch those of his own for the European Reich. And you hung up your ears again, oh dear fellow. And Europeans will raise salaries for doctors or teachers, or Americans are important pensioners On another thread I asked you a question about Aleshka and Platoshkin, do you see the difference between them? Do not you see who the "shit-makers" need and who poses a danger to them? Although, if your visit to the site and your slogans like "for all roshee against all bad "and" it does not matter who if not Putin "is just your job, then it is useless for you to say anything. Continue to wait for a" liberator "from Europe.
            2. svp67
              svp67 21 February 2021 11: 25
              +2
              Quote: Svarog
              Mikhail cited a real fact, the population is declining at a monstrous rate.

              Forgive me, but the same facts also show that from 2008 to 2017 there was an increase in the country, and in 2012 there was an increase of almost 320 thousand. And what does this mean?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 21 February 2021 12: 35
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                and in 2012 there was an increase of almost 320 thousand

                Since 2000, more than 5 million foreigners have received Russian citizenship.
                Last year, this figure was a record 600.000. At least half of them are citizens of the southern republics. So the losses of the Russian population are higher than those of Rosstat.
                And by the way, one more thing Sergei - all these newly minted citizens who speak Russian poorly, breed rather quickly, in contrast to the Russians. I often go to kindergartens and schools, the number of little dark kids is growing from year to year. And they also factor in the demographic curves.
                I am not a fascist, but I am impressed by the saying "Where I was born, I came in handy there." And I really like the migration policy of the countries of the Middle East, where citizenship is absolutely impossible to obtain without being a native resident. Nevertheless, many migrants live and work there. hi
                1. svp67
                  svp67 21 February 2021 12: 46
                  +4
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  And I really like the migration policy of the countries of the Middle East, where citizenship is absolutely impossible to obtain without being a native resident.

                  So you should also like the policy of the Baltic countries?
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 21 February 2021 13: 02
                    +4
                    You're a provocateur, Sergei! laughing
                    But if we put the grievances aside, for the oppression of Russians in the Baltic states, then yes, I do. For she defends, first of all, the rights of the indigenous population, and without any genocide. And note - the number of Russian repatriates from the Baltics is very small. wink And that says it's not so bad there.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 22 February 2021 05: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Yes, you are a provocateur, Sergei

                      Agree, they asked for it themselves.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      And that says it's not so bad there.

                      But this also suggests that we do not have a normal program for such a resettlement.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 08: 27
                        -2
                        Let me ask you another question - what do you personally think is wrong in the migration policy of the BV countries? Essentially, no emotion?
              2. Svarog
                Svarog 21 February 2021 14: 41
                +2
                Quote: svp67

                Forgive me, but the same facts say that from 2008 to 2017 there was growth in the country, and in 2012 there was an increase of almost 320 thousand. And what does this mean?

                This suggests that oil prices were high. And there was a regular increase in salary. Which created the illusion that the country was developing. People began to give birth. As oil prices collapsed, by inertia, the growth continued .. because the consequences are not reflected immediately .. and here you still need to take into account the annexation of Crimea and the acquisition of citizenship of persons from the near abroad ..
                I'm talking about the facts that testify to managerial mediocrity in the economy, science, medicine ... in general, in all areas I do not see any positive changes, which naturally affects the demography.
                1. VORON538
                  VORON538 21 February 2021 15: 45
                  -5
                  Your training manual talks about oil prices all the time, pseudo-communist
                  In African countries, where the birth rate is high, what about oil prices? Is there a lot of oil in all countries with high birth rates? And what about oil prices in the countries of your enlightened adored Europe and birth rates in the same place? Oh, in Europe, the birth rate is falling? in these countries, oil is so-so? So what's the matter? In your training manual it says "down with" so you work out! to his glory, like for the people of Rossii.Not sent back to the training manual, what to answer about Platoshkin and his comparison with the bulk? What do you say, guardian for Russia ???
          3. Alex013
            Alex013 21 February 2021 13: 18
            0
            If emigrants receive Russian citizenship, then they are referred to the permanent population, but not.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 February 2021 13: 42
              0
              We are talking about those who received Russian citizenship, in 2020 there are more than 600000 of them.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 21 February 2021 21: 35
                +2
                A significant part are residents of Donbass. But the citizens of the Russian Federation, permanently living in the LPR, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, are not taken into account when calculating the number of the permanent population of the Russian Federation.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 08: 30
                  0
                  In xnumx? belay No, Donbass mainly received citizenship in 2014-16.
                  In the internet there are graphs of the number of people who receive Russian citizenship by year. hi
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 22 February 2021 10: 12
                    +1
                    Didn't you follow the news? In 2020, LDNR citizens (exactly those who have passports of LDNR citizens) massively received Russian passports, while most of them did not move to Russia. Once again, citizens of the Russian Federation permanently residing outside the Russian Federation, not registered on its territory, are not taken into account when calculating the population of the Russian Federation.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 22 February 2021 11: 13
                      -1
                      Quote: Sergej1972
                      Didn't you follow the news?

                      At the end of 2020, the total number of LDNR citizens who received Russian citizenship was about 400.000. This is only since 2014. In 2021. already about 200.000 people.
                      But we have a speech for 2020, right? wink
        3. Quadro
          Quadro 21 February 2021 06: 25
          -3
          Quote: Far In
          Doesn't confuse you
          No, it doesn't bother. Because the natural decline in the population of the Russian Federation last year amounted to 700 thousand people. Is this not such a direct and open genocide of the people? Well, okay, I'll even agree. But I will ask the question - is it a mediated and hidden genocide - is it better, or what? As for me, on the contrary - it is often easier to cope with an obvious enemy than with someone who dresses in sheep's clothing.
          What are the demographic losses of the Russian Federation over the past 30 years?
          How many years has our economy been "stabilizing" (and actually rolling back)?
          How many years have the population's income been falling?
          How many years have healthcare, education, etc. been "optimized"?
          No, this, of course, is not genocide, but all sorts of palaces - Ololeshenka's delirium (generally do not care about him; they rewrote the conditional into real - and rightly so, they put others in jail for less. But why were they knocked down for 1,5 months again?)
          I have already cited this anecdote on the forum, but I think it makes sense to repeat it:
          The subject of the essay was strange. "If the Germans won?" Vitya P. strained all his imagination and creaked with a pen. Alas, it turned out to be some kind of monstrous, unimaginable list of absurdities. This could not have happened in Russia. But it was not the Germans who won in the end.
          "There will be practically no industry in the country, the occupiers will be concerned only with the siphoned off natural resources from our territories. Instead of the people's militiamen, there will be policemen from the rabble, there will be a lot of them, and the people will be afraid of them more than bandits. At every exit from the city, the police will be check those who are going to leave or come. Each resident will be required to register with the police at the place of residence. To maintain fear, they will create wild detachments of mountain peoples. They will from time to time attack the local population, rob and kill. Rulers will be recruited from especially vile local The children and wives of the rulers will live abroad for safety. And they themselves take turns here on a rotational basis. All the nobility will ride only in black German cars with sirens. Ordinary people will need to run away to the side of the road and wait until they pass. Fascism will eventually become the most popular doctrine out of general despair.Only Russian. which goods will be considered the best and most desirable in Russia. The President, he will speak German much better than Russian. Instead of vodka, they will advertise and sell beer everywhere, as in Germany. Those who fought against the Germans will receive pennies, and on holidays a meager dry ration. Russians killed in the war will be buried in mass graves, if only to be noted as a burial. Most of the country's male population will pass through the camps. To break the will to resist Teachers and doctors in the occupied territories will receive minimum maintenance, only so that the population does not shrink and oskotinize not very quickly. On the far outskirts of Russia, such as Primorye, partisans may remain. They will attack the policemen, but the frightened population will not help them in any way. Roads will not be built, and gasoline will be made more expensive, so that the people will stay at home. The people will be strictly forbidden to have weapons, so that they do not suddenly rebel. For the life of the population, cheap barracks with low ceilings, 8 meters per person, will be insisted. The most agile and intelligent will be given the opportunity to leave and live abroad, this will be considered a great success in life. America will be declared the main enemy of Russia. "
          The teacher Vera Pavlovna pondered the assessment for a long time. And set 3 for a good fantasy.

          That 400 thousand, then 500, now 600, you liars decide already? And yes, nerus, I am generally aware that the "dirt storage" "room for dirt" is generally alien to the Russian language and that such a concept is not used at all. You probably don't know English like bream and translate mudroom as a storehouse of dirt.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 21 February 2021 07: 26
            +1
            Quote: Quadro
            Now 400 thousand, then 500, now 600,

            Let it be 500, this figure in many sources. But 500 is not enough for you? Not genocide, isn't it? And these five hundred do not include citizens of the southern suburbs.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 21 February 2021 08: 47
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Quadro
              Now 400 thousand, then 500, now 600,

              Let it be 500, this figure in many sources. But 500 is not enough for you? Not genocide, isn't it? And these five hundred do not include citizens of the southern suburbs.

              Here the other day there was an article about the rise in prices .. And one United Russia activist (as he himself told, he pasted posters) began to convince me that everything had risen in price not by 30%, but by 20% .. And in this case, we were no longer 700 tons less, and 500 ... I would not be surprised if these characters will soon credit Putin for this. What a wise king, they say, the population decreases by 700 tons and by 500 ... we will rejoice at his genius ..
              Amazing "patriots" ..
              1. Yuri Tverdokhleb
                Yuri Tverdokhleb 21 February 2021 10: 06
                +2
                Uv. Vladimir: I can't imagine how you in Russia suffer from lawlessness and hunger and lawlessness. Drop everything and we are waiting for you in Ukraine. Where there is expanse and grace. And take a visa-free regime, you can give up to Europe for plowing kava. And yes, the salka will take a bite from us, though it is from Russia, well, it is so dear.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 21 February 2021 11: 37
                  -1
                  Quote: Yuri Tverdokhleb
                  Drop everything and we are waiting for you in Ukraine.

                  Why not Africa? What is happening in Ukraine is the legacy of those who once betrayed the great country. And your parallels are dull because you must always compare with the best and strive for the best.
                  And take visa-free, - you can give up to Europe for the plowing kava

                  Don't put your mentality on my mind, you insult him .. You are ready to run to where it is better, and I want the best for my country and in my country. And the objective indicators and facts show that the managers in my country are mediocre and criminals.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 21 February 2021 12: 22
                    +1
                    And they either do not understand this, or they are not paid for this understanding. Only these reasons can explain the constant poking "It's worse there", at a time when a normal person should compare where it is better, and strive for the best. And not to leave, but to make life better where he lives.
                    Greetings Volodya! hi
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 21 February 2021 12: 28
                      0
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      And they either do not understand this, or they are not paid for this understanding. Only these reasons can explain the constant poking "It's worse there", at a time when a normal person should compare where it is better, and strive for the best. And not to leave, but to make life better where he lives.
                      Greetings Volodya! hi

                      Hello, Igor! hi
                      I am inclined to believe that they pay .. otherwise a decent person under the pressure of indisputable facts, even being a supporter or uncertain, will prefer to remain silent, but not to carry nonsense.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 21 February 2021 13: 43
                        +2
                        Quote: Svarog
                        even being a supporter or vague, he will prefer to remain silent, but not talk nonsense

                        So.
              2. Quadro
                Quadro 21 February 2021 23: 03
                -4
                Quote: Svarog
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: Quadro
                Now 400 thousand, then 500, now 600,

                Let it be 500, this figure in many sources. But 500 is not enough for you? Not genocide, isn't it? And these five hundred do not include citizens of the southern suburbs.

                Here the other day there was an article about the rise in prices .. And one United Russia activist (as he himself told, he pasted posters) began to convince me that everything had risen in price not by 30%, but by 20% .. And in this case, we were no longer 700 tons less, and 500 ... I would not be surprised if these characters will soon credit Putin for this. What a wise king, they say, the population decreases by 700 tons and by 500 ... we will rejoice at his genius ..
                Amazing "patriots" ..

                You are generally an incomprehensible miracle Yudo, a shape-shifter, either the communists, or the fascists like Navalny, you would have licked Hitler's boots if he were today.
        4. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 21 February 2021 07: 41
          -3
          Well, in China, 1,5 million. In Japan, 130 thousand. Don't you all understand that this is happening everywhere? That the same Germans see the population decline in the same way and the speed only increases? And the biggest growth in countries like Somalia and Sudan? This amount is huge, but against the background of covid it is stupid to consider it a standard. This is an anomaly. in 19, it was several times less. Take the data let's say for the last 10 years and give them.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 21 February 2021 11: 23
            +3
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Well, in China, 1,5 million. In Japan, 130 thousand. Everyone will not understand that this is happening everywhere

            As a percentage of the total population, compare. Secondly, I am not worried about the deterioration somewhere far away, this is by no means an excuse.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 21 February 2021 11: 40
              -2
              This is called a trend. And she doesn't care if you care about it or not. It just exists, whether we like it or not. And all that is possible is just to slow down.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 21 February 2021 12: 17
                +1
                All trends have reasons. Sometimes the reasons are natural, random, and sometimes the reasons are artificial.
        5. Professor
          Professor 21 February 2021 07: 42
          -1
          Quote: Dalny V
          Because the natural decline in the population of the Russian Federation last year amounted to 700 thousand people.

          Well, not "natural" she, but man-made.

          Quote: Far In
          Hmm ... Hitler built himself a gorgeous palace with aqua entertainment and a casino in Ukraine ... But, suppose there was a room for mud in that palace? if not, then Aloizych is finally a jerk

          You also forgot the toy car and the underground hockey arena.
        6. Svarog
          Svarog 21 February 2021 08: 39
          +3
          "If the Germans won?" Vitya P.

          The teacher Vera Pavlovna pondered the assessment for a long time. And set 3 for a good fantasy.

          And why did the teacher put three? This is a solid five. Yes, they won, but when they betrayed the USSR and the conquests of our fathers and grandfathers.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 21 February 2021 05: 38
      -2
      Mud Room is even in your house) the hallway is called.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 21 February 2021 11: 49
        -1
        Mud Room is even in your house
        This is the second hallway, adjacent to the back door.
        https://www.bhg.com.au/what-is-a-mudroom-7-design-ideas#:~:text=An%20American%20term%2C%20a%20mudroom,home%20stay%20clean%20and%20tidy.
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 21 February 2021 08: 45
      -2
      I'm afraid the teahouse with the bridge to it was not there either. Rogue, in general! No fantasies and ambitions! laughing
  • Comrade
    Comrade 21 February 2021 04: 27
    -8
    Very interesting article, thank you very much!
  • Avior
    Avior 21 February 2021 06: 18
    +10
    We will also continue to acquaint you with those places that are marked on the tourist routes of Ukraine today with the words:

    "There was a rescuer-Hitler"

    The author's fantasy played out in earnest. I would really like to see at least one such mark on the tourist route.
    However, this applies to the entire article.
    She quickly attributed the quotes from Hitler's drinking speeches regarding the Soviet population strictly to the Ukrainians.
    ... No teacher should come to them and drag their children to school. If Russians, Ukrainians, Kyrgyz, etc. learn to read and write, it will only hurt us. For in this way, more capable natives will be able to join some historical knowledge, which means they will learn political ideas that in any case will somehow be directed against us ... In no case should the local population be given the right to receive higher education. If we make this mistake, we ourselves will raise those who will fight against our power. Let them have schools, and if they want to go to them, then let them pay for it "(Henry Picker, Hitler's Table Speeches).

    There is not the slightest evidence of Hitler's visit to Sofia Park. As for the "Potocki palace" - the park was and is, very beautiful, during the war the Germans buried their soldiers there, but the Pototskys themselves did not live in Uman, and their palace is located in a completely different place - in Tulchinka.
    In Uman, Hitler was only once - he met the Italians with Mussolini. Accordingly, the airfield was chosen in the place where they were supposed to be at that moment, that's the whole secret. It is hard to imagine that he would stay there - Uman is known to everyone as one of the most famous Jewish centers on the territory of the former USSR, what could Hitler like there?
    About Hitler's palace with blackjack and girls with reduced social responsibility, it's scary to imagine what we will read. It looks like it will be the author's version of the story about Werewolf, Hitler's headquarters near Vinnitsa, where Hitler spent time playing poker.
    As for Hitler's palaces, it was strained to find them even in Germany, since Hitler, with all his sadistic and criminal inclinations, was not noticed in pursuit of luxury, unlike Goering, for example.
    In general, judging by the beginning, in which the author handled the facts so freely, we will read a lot more ...
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 21 February 2021 07: 11
      +6
      Is that "Eagle's Nest" is remembered, but yes: he was not a fan of palaces, he was cramped there - give him peace and preferably all. The author appeared non-trivial, freely juggling facts and speculation, but what a public outcry, how many comments.
      1. Avior
        Avior 21 February 2021 10: 31
        +7
        Eagle's Nest can hardly be called a palace
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 21 February 2021 07: 48
      -11%
      And you are a strict censor. The article is the subjective opinion of the author. Why should he agree with the critics? This is his personal vision of the issue. Overall, the article is interesting.
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 21 February 2021 08: 51
      +1
      On the contrary, the author's imagination is rather weak. After all, one could fantasize that, for example, Hitler flew to Uman to draw spiritual strength from the grave of Tzadik Nachman!

      What? This is an equally famous historical place in Uman!
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 21 February 2021 07: 46
    -13%
    Interesting article. Thanks to the author. As I understand from what I read, the Ukrainians, everyone, "greeted with flowers." ) What are "diplomatic" ()
  • Unknown
    Unknown 21 February 2021 08: 26
    +8
    What the article is not clear about. Hitler's palaces in the USSR? Nonsense. As far as is known, the Fuhrer was not a supporter of a luxurious lifestyle, but rather an ascetic one, unlike Goering and Berghof, it does not look like a palace ...
    The presence of Hitler in the South-East of the Soviet-German front is elementary explainable, there since November 1941, after the capture of Rostov by our troops, under the command of S.K. Tymoshenko, one of the main battles of the Second World War unfolded, for the whole of 42 and 44 years inclusive. The headquarters, called Werewolf, was near Vinnitsa, and does not look like a palace ...
    All the same, he liked the bunkers. This photo with the text, Ukrainian women greet is not true ........
    More like the uniform of the hospital staff ........
    The newsreel shows that the wounded are also being met. Of course, they met the Germans with flowers, you can't throw out the words from the song, but they looked different ...
    And it happened.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 21 February 2021 08: 40
    0
    You cannot erase words from the history of words .... it is very harmful, as everyone saw later!
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 21 February 2021 09: 23
    +6
    article-oily minus for trying to catch the so-called. hype with overlay provocative tags from sovremennost-on .... the events of the Second World War, which have nothing to do with modernity.

    I think that this should not attract attention, but with extensive knowledge of the subject of presentation and the ability to present them competently and interestingly.

    What the author, in my opinion, has not yet succeeded in any article, since they are replete with obvious contradictions, superficial peremptory, but dubious assessments and, to put it mildly, borrowing from other people's articles.

    The result is an obscure com of compilations and heaps ...
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 21 February 2021 11: 11
      +2
      Have you noticed that the author Kharaluzhny has recently disappeared. But Irina Frolova appeared.
      And in that, and in the subsequent case, the articles are obtained, to put it mildly, controversial. Openly criticized by readers.
      But since "the stars are lit, does it mean someone needs it"?
      It is a pity that the editors, apparently, rarely read comments and canceled the possibility of evaluating articles.
      1. mr.ZinGer
        mr.ZinGer 21 February 2021 11: 32
        +2
        Well, in the case of Kharaluzhny, there was an outright trash, here the parallels with Samsonov and K are seen.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 21 February 2021 12: 08
        -1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Have you noticed that the author Kharaluzhny has recently disappeared. But Irina Frolova appeared.

        but for sure!

        But at least he wrote briefly and did not engage in such frank graphomania on many sheets.

        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        It is a pity that the editors, apparently, rarely read comments and canceled the possibility of evaluating articles.

        It is also a pity that articles by outstanding authors Denis Berg, Vladimir Oleinikov, etc. have disappeared from the editorial portfolio.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 21 February 2021 09: 49
    +2
    It would seem that Hitler has not been in the world for three quarters of a century, but his media image continues to be exploited by the traumatized toxic modern "journalism", a typical representative of which can be called the autoress.
    The main method of "historical cognition" for such authors is a tendentious and subjective distortion of the historical process, the result of "creative attempts" is an ideologically consistent post-apocalyptic fantasy, which is sold under the guise of "distortion of history" as a historical document.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 12: 58
      -2
      Quote: Undecim
      sold

      Sic!
  • Yuri Tverdokhleb
    Yuri Tverdokhleb 21 February 2021 10: 14
    +3
    2-3 people are still alive in Zaporozhye, who as teenagers saw this character performing near the city administration. He flew in twice, and there is a building where he stayed.
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 21 February 2021 10: 30
      -2
      Was the memorial board hung?
      1. Yuri Tverdokhleb
        Yuri Tverdokhleb 21 February 2021 11: 44
        +2
        Alexander, there was not so long ago a majestic monument to F.E. Dzerzhinsky. The elected mayor, who walked as his own into the board, demolished both the historical sculpture and the monument to Lenin, the largest pedestal in the ukrokolony. We found money to demolish all the memorial plaques of the Soviet era. I won’t be surprised at the name of the street. -Hitlerstraße.
        1. Avior
          Avior 21 February 2021 12: 13
          +5
          I think you are exaggerating



          1. Undecim
            Undecim 21 February 2021 12: 28
            +5
            I will add a little.


            1. Avior
              Avior 21 February 2021 18: 33
              +1
              There is more. For example, on the banks of the Dnieper

          2. Yuri Tverdokhleb
            Yuri Tverdokhleb 21 February 2021 14: 50
            0
            Monuments and bas-reliefs to Kirov, Ordzhenikidze, brother of V.I. Lenin, the heroes of the war, the memorial plaque of Leonid Brezhnev and its exposition in the museum of local lore, where, by the way, the German headquarters was and Hitler spoke
            1. Avior
              Avior 21 February 2021 17: 56
              0
              ... for the demolition of all memorial plaques of the Soviet era

              So it was necessary to write some, not all. Others are standing. And new ones appeared.
              And what kind of headquarters was in the local history museum and when did Hitler speak there? Before whom did you speak? Before the Germans?
              I have not heard of such an event. And Manstein's headquarters and the German commandant's office were in the second building of the technical university, "cars" in my time. Hitler lived there when he came a second time.

              In the photo below, Hitler comes out of the middle door. Then, and until now, as far as I know, students went through this door. :)
              1. Yuri Tverdokhleb
                Yuri Tverdokhleb 21 February 2021 18: 49
                0
                Sergei, firstly, I didn’t write about all the plaques, and secondly, I’m not writing from rumors as you did, but reading in the regional newspaper about Hitler’s performance. And he lived not only there.
        2. ee2100
          ee2100 21 February 2021 14: 27
          +2
          This is the reality. The winners destroy old monuments and erect new ones for their heroes.
    2. Avior
      Avior 21 February 2021 11: 42
      +4
      Hitler came to Zaporozhye 4 times, of which 3 times less than a day, and only once the trip was from February 16 to 19, and fled, as Soviet tanks broke through to Zaporozhye. Therefore, it is hard to believe in 118 days in Ukraine, about which the author writes.
      He lived in no palace, which had never been in Zaporozhye, but in Manstein's headquarters, which was located in the second building of the current technical university, the one behind the monument to Soviet tankers-liberators of Zaporozhye, which was erected later.
      On the third floor, they quickly prepared an apartment for living, and judging by the memoirs of the Germans, no luxury was required there.
      Hitler looked bad even then
      Here he comes out of the building of the second building of the university
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 12: 51
    +3
    When in the cryptohistorical writings of Madame Frolova (or a group of authors under this nickname) I meet the turns of "it is known for certain", "evidence" and anonymous quotes have been preserved, I remember Kravchuk's grandfather, who blurted out about the secret meeting between Hitler and Stalin in Lvov in 1939. He, too, was "known for certain" from "surviving testimonies." However, given that this dementy grandpa was in the role special guest star on the TV channel "Russia 1" ...
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 21 February 2021 12: 59
      +4
      By the way, today's article showed that the autoress (authors) Frolova reads comments.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 13: 46
        +7
        Hitler in the open air near Zaporozhye draws a sketch of the plan for Operation Fischzeier to seize Stalingrad.
        Photo from the personal archive of Madame Frolova-Kharaluzhna.
        Published for the first time.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 21 February 2021 14: 23
          +7
          The same place 80 years later.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 16: 12
            +3
            I hope that after the "secret trips of Hitler" Madame Frolova will make us happy with the revelation that the Fuhrer
          2. Unknown
            Unknown 21 February 2021 16: 24
            -2
            A photo, a real fake. Hitler, when visiting the Eastern Front, had no time for drawing, and clothes were not for painting. I have not seen more than one photo where he painted during the war, but reviewed enough.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 18: 08
              +3
              Quote: Unknown
              A photo, a real fake.

              Can not be!
              And this is also a fake: Hitler wastes money at the Grand Casino in Monaco, collected by the Union of German Girls to buy warm socks for the 6th Army ??????
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 21 February 2021 18: 21
                -4
                Maybe enough kindergarten bullshit to suffer?
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 18: 54
                  -1
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Maybe enough kindergarten bullshit to suffer?

                  Is this a question for me or for Madame Frolova?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 21 February 2021 18: 54
                    -5
                    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Is this a question for me or for Madame Frolova?

                    To both of you.
                2. Undecim
                  Undecim 21 February 2021 19: 57
                  +3
                  I suggest you address this harsh question to the administration of the site, which posts such content, and personally to the author of this, as you put it, garbage.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 21 February 2021 20: 19
                    0
                    Quote: Undecim
                    I suggest you address this harsh question to the administration of the site, which posts such content, and personally to the author of this, as you put it, garbage.

                    Already posted.
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 21 February 2021 20: 40
                      0
                      The content of the answers is interesting, if it's not a secret.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 21 February 2021 20: 42
                        -2
                        Quote: Undecim
                        the content of the answers is interesting, if it's not a secret.

                        I did not apply directly, I posted them in the comments, there are no answers, naturally.
                      2. Undecim
                        Undecim 21 February 2021 20: 47
                        +2
                        I can assure you that an appeal directly would have, at best, the same effect.
                        Ideally, the reaction could be achieved by a complete absence of comments under such publications, but this is not realistic.
          3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 18: 11
            +3
            Quote: Unknown
            I have not seen more than one photo where he painted during the war, but reviewed enough.

            if you wish, I will concoct a couple of collages for you personally. This one, with an easel, took 7 minutes. laughing
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 21 February 2021 22: 01
              -5
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              if you wish, I will concoct a couple of collages for you personally

              Cook it up for yourself, clown.
        2. Avior
          Avior 21 February 2021 19: 01
          +1
          The landscape is well preserved :)))) ...
          Only colors were added. :)
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 21 February 2021 18: 14
        -3
        do not flirt on such topics.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 18: 50
          0
          Quote: Seeker
          do not flirt on such topics.

          I understood.
          Added a Soviet scout. Serious and stern. You should like it.
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 21 February 2021 20: 53
        -1
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        madam Frolova-Kharaluzhnoy



        judging by the "maturity" of the articles, I dare to suggest that this is, um, mademoisellerecourse
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 14: 23
    +8
    And at that time he was very actively looking for a place for his future chic Ukrainian nest.

    His idea was truly grandiose: I wanted to build something colossal and amazing there. Such that he had never had before in Europe.


    O yes.... laughing
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 February 2021 18: 02
      +2
      Yeah. Only yesterday there was a puncture when half an article on a fake photo was based, but was quickly removed. And today a similar approach. :)))
      1. Liam
        Liam 21 February 2021 20: 54
        +5
        Murzilka magazine with such trends will soon look like a solid academic publication in comparison
    2. Looking for
      Looking for 21 February 2021 18: 18
      -5
      from "Azov" left for a long time ???
  • ee2100
    ee2100 21 February 2021 15: 39
    +6
    He lived in Uman in the 60s, naturally a schoolboy. I remember my parents' conversations with the locals. 50% were sure that Hitler visited Uman. The mother of a neighbor said: "The Soviet troops left, and the next day the Germans came. The Germans were riding ahead on bicycles and a monkey was sitting on the steering wheel of one."
    At that time no one spoke about the "Uman pit", just as there was no advertised worship of the grave of Rabbi Nachman. Quite a lot of Jews lived in Uman. My parents rented 2 rooms from one Jewish family for 2 years (Lenina st., 14), my mother had only the best memories from the owners.
    In the article, the author mentions the local history museum. I have been there many times as a schoolboy. It was always very interesting.
    In Sofiyivka park there are not lakes, but ponds, and in general it is a cascade of 3 ponds and 2 of them in the park.
    Many underground passages have been dug under the city since the middle of the XNUMXth century, they cross the entire city in different directions.
    The height is such that the rider could move easily. Already in the 60s, there were frequent landslides and as boys we traveled along them until they were covered. Underground passages are associated with the time of the so-called. collegiality.
    And the "heroes" of the Uman massacre, Gonta and Zaliznyak, were presented as folk heroes.
    Uman deserves a separate story.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 21 February 2021 15: 49
    -5
    Interesting and relevant.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 21 February 2021 16: 44
    +2
    Quote: for
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Without American support, Maidan would have failed

    And that Obama was president there? Why was Lukashenka able to get away from power, while the yanyk is sitting out in Russia, in fact, he is a criminal, a traitor.

    Belarusians looked at the Ukrainian "happiness" and they didn't want
  • konstantinos kontogiannidis
    konstantinos kontogiannidis 21 February 2021 17: 15
    -4
    We look forward to continuing!
  • vladcub
    vladcub 21 February 2021 17: 34
    +3
    "leap to collapse made marked" for the sake of truth. "Belovezhskie gatherings" - the finish line, but it all started much earlier
  • vladcub
    vladcub 21 February 2021 19: 08
    +3
    '"It was there that the headquarters of the commander of the army group recently moved:" South "it is a no brainer that Hitler will go to the headquarters.
    "Hitler ate soldier's food twice" for me such details. It would be better if the author told why they chose Vinnitsa, and not Exactly or Kremenchug? Somehow I came across information that several options were considered, but Vinnitsa was chosen.
    PS. It would be nice to read about all the known rates of Hitler. After all, besides Vinnitsa, there were others, including in Smolensk?
  • nnz226
    nnz226 21 February 2021 20: 42
    +3
    And to translate from the Italian signature under some photos is weak ?!
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 21 February 2021 21: 48
    +3
    Why post such nonsense? And does it make sense to comment on it?
    1. iskanderzp
      iskanderzp 22 February 2021 02: 06
      +1
      Well, if the stars are lit, then someone needs it. This enchanting nonsense definitely has an ideological underpinning. It would seem a trifle: remove the Russians from Hitler's quote and leave the Ukrainians. And as soon as it started playing with new colors ... And this is just one example. Conclusion: such materials are in the furnace.
  • Nord11
    Nord11 5 May 2021 20: 36
    0
    Yes .. Kiev historians cannot be envied, they have to spin and dodge. It is clear that I would like to take part in the victory over Nazi Germany, and Pan Hitler seems to be no stranger ..