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"It can be written off": Ukraine is discussing the further fate of the frigate "Getman Sagaidachny"

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"It can be written off": Ukraine is discussing the further fate of the frigate "Getman Sagaidachny"

Even after the loss of Crimea in 2014, Ukraine still has a fairly long coastline in the Black and Azov Seas. At the same time, the only Ukrainian floating craft that can be called a warship, albeit with some stretch, is the flagship of the Ukrainian Navy, the frigate Getman Sagaidachny.


Defense expert Roman Antonov discusses him and his future fate in his article published by the Ukrainian military portal.

The author believes that the ship is capable of keeping watch in the Mediterranean Sea and the oceanic zone, supporting "partners" and ensuring the interests of Ukraine in distant seas and oceans. On the other hand, the Ukrainian flagship is a development of the 70s of the last century, built in the early 90s. At the same time, it was originally a border patrol ship, which they later decided to retrain into a frigate. Most of its components are not only lagging behind most modern and promising ships of other countries in the region, but they are also in an extremely neglected state.

Roman Antonov is well aware of this, but he believes that the ship must be saved by either cosmetic repairs or complete or partial modernization. The point is, the author argues, that the fulfillment of combat missions is not at all the most important thing for "Hetman Sagaidachny".

After all, this is the only Ukrainian ship that is suitable for supporting personnel qualifications and training cadets. It has air defense and anti-submarine defense systems, artillery, and a helipad on board. Nowhere else in the Ukrainian Navy is all this, therefore, it is possible to train Ukrainian naval officers in the complex implementation of tasks only on board the flagship. This is the main function of the Hetman Sagaidachny frigate.


At the same time, the author does not take into account one nuance associated with the further fate of the cadets. After all, the newly minted Ukrainian officers of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, having acquired qualifications on a frigate, will go to serve on boats, tugs and rubber boats (fortunately, enough of them arrived from the USA). And not all of them are ready to lose their maritime skills on these "vessels", so they will want to go abroad. Maybe even to Russia.

Is the command of the Armed Forces really happy with it - to train specialists for foreign armed forces? The only way out is to prohibit them from traveling outside the country. So it may be better not to risk it, but to write off this frigate, which takes up a lot of money - they are thinking in Ukraine itself.
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  1. saygon66
    saygon66 17 February 2021 17: 42
    +7
    - Whose masts are in the background? "Sedov" ?! Although now what could be "Sedov" ....
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 17 February 2021 17: 46
      +17
      "It can be written off": Ukraine is discussing the further fate of the frigate "Getman Sagaidachny"

      Together with Ukraine! yes
      1. major147
        major147 17 February 2021 17: 50
        +14
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        "You can write off"

        "Better a horrible end than endless horror."
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 17 February 2021 21: 59
          +4
          Of course it's better to write off. Inflatable boats are full! Enough for everyone. Although it is a rubber ship, it is still a "ship crew" whatever one may say.)
          1. major147
            major147 17 February 2021 22: 27
            +4
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            Inflatable boats are full!

            And for each such boat, an admiral commander repeat
            1. Keer
              Keer 17 February 2021 22: 36
              +14
              Admiral at the tiller, rear admiral at the oars.
              1. major147
                major147 17 February 2021 22: 37
                +3
                Quote: Keer
                Admiral at the tiller, rear admiral at the oars.

                good
              2. Gato
                Gato 17 February 2021 23: 47
                +5
                Then, according to the classics: the vice admiral is on the lookout, the admiral is at the oars and the rear admiral is covering the transom with a wide backside. fellow
            2. Poetry
              Poetry 18 February 2021 01: 19
              +4
              I would not be surprised if soon we see the inflatable aircraft carrier "S. Bandera" at the head of the inflatable AUG.
      2. RealPilot
        RealPilot 17 February 2021 17: 54
        +9
        "You can write off"

        As they say, breaking is not building.
        It is possible with Ukraine - this is a "country and a ship" (I'm talking about a cruiser, of course).
      3. gurzuf
        gurzuf 17 February 2021 17: 55
        +20
        Of course to write off! But ... first, the original name must be returned - the Project 11351 patrol ship Nereus. And it will be like in a joke about a dying Bandera who, before his death, sent his son to the Silrada with the task of rewriting his nationality from Ukrainian to Russian. On the question of his son - why, he answered that after his death there would be less one more "Moskal".
      4. konstantin68
        konstantin68 17 February 2021 18: 15
        +9
        This is just an old photo. In Sevastopol on a mine wall.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 17 February 2021 18: 28
          +2
          They are standing in Odessa.
          1. konstantin68
            konstantin68 17 February 2021 18: 30
            +3
            Dima, you are probably right. In Sevastopol, there are more cables and are laid differently, not on trestles.
            Yours! hi
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 17 February 2021 19: 01
              +10
              Yes, a dilemma ... To preserve this ancient outdated and dilapidated neglected ship, which in Sevastopol was nicknamed "Dacha saiga" or to write off ... On the one hand. he - the flagship of today's Ukraine - shows that Ukraine has a whole ship, in addition to boats and inflatable boats, there is an opportunity to somehow teach the gentlemen of officers in the prospect of assignment to future ships (Ukrainian frigates and corvettes that will never be built at destroyed factories in a destroyed country). On the other hand, why should I teach akhfitserov, whose entire service will take place on boats and motor boats? In addition, the maintenance of this "battleship" is expensive for a poor hole. Dilemma. There is something to scratch the pumpkin for. lol
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 17 February 2021 19: 35
                +4
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                Yes, there is a dilemma ... To preserve this ancient outdated and dilapidated abandoned ship, which in Sevastopol was nicknamed "Dacha Saiga" or to write off ... Moreover, the maintenance of this "battleship" is costly for a poor hole. Dilemma. There is something to scratch the pumpkin for. lol
                Without "Sagaidachny" - existence "admirals" in Ukraine will DILEMMA ...
                request
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 17 February 2021 19: 47
                  +5
                  No, they exist without a navy.
                  1. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 17 February 2021 19: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    they exist quietly even without a fleet.
                    Yes !
                    Admiral M. Horthy is an example to all the "admirals" of Ukraine, but Ukraine is trying to cling to any NATO naval exercises (Sea Breeze) - it will be "undignified" to meet at least a NATO destroyer on a motor boat ... soldier
                    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                      Andrei Nikolaevich 17 February 2021 22: 03
                      +6
                      I’m thinking ... If Sagaidachny is written off, how can the forelock fleet participate in NATO exercises? On what and what to do? Well, unless on inflatable boats, NATO iron ships, boarding?) Like pirates in the Gulf of Aden ... Only, with forelocks ....))) That will be rolling ...)
              2. potterz
                potterz 18 February 2021 02: 58
                0
                You are wrong, the Turks promised to build a whole fleet! ;)
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 18 February 2021 11: 51
          +2
          Quote: konstantin68
          In Sevastopol on a mine wall.

          This is not Minka in Sevastopol ... on the Pavlovsky cape there are no portal "Knights", from the word at all! This is the Practical harbor in Odessa, and along the nose of Sagaidachny, portal cranes in Cabotazhnaya! hi
      5. silverura
        silverura 17 February 2021 22: 39
        -15%
        Together with Ukraine! yes

        Not for the sake of greed, but for self-interest for ... How is it doing there - Kuzya, Orlans and other brainchildren of the USSR? What about the carrier-based aircraft? As for me, you can bet.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 18 February 2021 01: 15
          +3
          Quote: silverura
          As for me, you can bet.

          Twenty years ago, I swore to bet. But now, perhaps, I'll bet a hundred rubles for the "write-off". laughing
        2. potterz
          potterz 18 February 2021 02: 59
          -5
          And sho you minus !? It is better to say the bitter truth ...
          1. silverura
            silverura 18 February 2021 06: 08
            -6
            It’s better the bitter truth ...

            Don't say that, patriots will minus.
            IMHO
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 18 February 2021 11: 55
            +2
            Quote: potterz
            The bitter truth is better.

            The truth is what? The fact that the Eagles are being modernized and not written off? Is it that Kuznetsov is being repaired and not written off? What's the truth, brother?
            1. potterz
              potterz 18 February 2021 16: 04
              +2
              Yes, I mean that we have a super cut of funds on the repair of old ships. And for a shameful long time everything is put in order. I mean renovation and modernization. As well as the construction of new ships. This is true! Everyone knows about it. We are all used to this. Which cannot but upset.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 19 February 2021 08: 08
                -1
                Quote: potterz
                Yes, I mean that we have a super cut of funds on the repair of old ships

                Do you have documents proving the facts of the cut?
                Quote: potterz
                Everyone knows about it.

                I know about a lot of cutting hints, but only a few have been proven! The expression "Everyone knows about it" is nothing more than a political technique in the struggle for power!
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 18 February 2021 11: 53
          +5
          Quote: silverura
          How is it doing there - Kuzya, Orlans and other offspring of the USSR? What about the carrier-based aircraft?

          At times better than yours! How much are you selling "Ukraine"?
    2. Finches
      Finches 17 February 2021 17: 54
      +9
      The photo contains the entire personnel of the Ukrainian fleet, except for admirals, of whom there are about the same ... laughing

      And so the frigate "Sagaidachny", especially against the background of used rubber boats, is like a mirror of the death throes of the Navy!
    3. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 17 February 2021 17: 54
      +5
      I suspect that this is Mir, at least under this name I met him in the Canaries. It has a certificate of sailing the Drake Passage, it is an honor. Our Kruzenshtern and Sedov also have such. Our barges have four masts. The world is a relatively new building. and we should have this type.
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider 17 February 2021 18: 08
        +9
        Welcome.
        hi
        Mir is our frigate.
        Sailboats of this type were built at the Gdansk shipyard in 1987. Length 109,6 meters, draft 6,6 meters, total sail area 2771 m², average mast height 49,5 meters. Accommodates up to 200 people.

        In Poland, ships of the same type were built: "Gift of Youth" (Poland), "Druzhba" for Odessa, "Mir" for Leningrad, "Chersonesos" for Sevastopol, "Pallada" and "Nadezhda" for Vladivostok.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 17 February 2021 20: 47
          -1
          Confused, sorry, '97 Santa Cruz Canary. Setaki. Friendship, of course Friendship. And the sailing ship of childhood Comrade, the Germans bought it from Ukraine, now it is worthy in Stralsund. Even about his life in the USSR there is an exposition. Apologies for the mistake. hiI was on a visit to both on Druzhba and Sedov. They were allowed free in both cases. We climbed everything, we didn't climb the masts, I'm afraid of heights. hi drinks
          1. Orkraider
            Orkraider 18 February 2021 00: 33
            0
            hi
            A wonderful frigate, this type seems to hold the record for speed. I do not remember exactly. It seems to Mir, from Leningrad.

            Colleague, good drinks , also did not climb, really scary, I started, but decided to show prudence laughing
            1. shkiper83
              shkiper83 18 February 2021 04: 49
              +5
              And I took part in the round-the-world trip on Nadezhda, from Vlad to Peter in 3 months we sailed. It was not sweet then, but now I remember with warmth.
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 18 February 2021 07: 27
                0
                You are like a hero! Previously, the ships were wooden, but the sailors were iron! I will not continue further, others will not understand. Health, good luck and money do not earn but receive! hi
                1. shkiper83
                  shkiper83 18 February 2021 07: 53
                  +2
                  And all the best to you
            2. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 18 February 2021 07: 17
              +1
              On Sedov, the last aft mast is served by a machine crew, the height is not dusk. Entry to a significant port in good weather, without sails, a crew on yards. This is their feature; Every exit to the sea, the moneybags in line, for such happiness. Passage through the Drake, price three times higher, the price of the passage Europe Exuberant Aires. Last year, Sedov, completing the circumnavigation of the NSR. The only sailing ship in the world and in the entire history of the sailing fleet. In a word, a forge of personnel, future captains and chief mechanics. We live! hi drinks
      2. shkiper83
        shkiper83 18 February 2021 04: 44
        +2
        Most likely Friendship. The gift of youth in Poland, Peace in St. Petersburg, Nadezhda and Pallada in possession, Chersonesos remained in the Crimea and did not seem to be transferred to Ukraine. And Friendship in Odessa.
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 17 February 2021 17: 55
      -3
      And this is not in the background, these are probably his masts. wink Like - now this is the only way ... laughing
    5. Orkraider
      Orkraider 17 February 2021 17: 58
      +12
      Greetings!
      hi
      Sedov-Bark.
      And in the photo, the sailing ship "Druzhba", a frigate.
      Built in Poland at the Gdansk Shipyard in 1987. The only sailing ship in Ukraine, has not set sail since 2001.


      1. Profiler
        Profiler 17 February 2021 19: 34
        +2
        Quote: Orkraider
        pictured, sailing ship "Druzhba", frigate.
        Built in Poland at the Gdansk Shipyard in 1987. The only sailing ship in Ukraine, did not go to sea since 2001.


        Obviously, its technical condition can only be assumed what ...

        Will the masts collapse from dilapidation?
    6. svp67
      svp67 17 February 2021 18: 02
      +6
      Quote: saygon66
      - Whose masts are in the background?

      "Druzhba" is a training three-masted ship (a ship with full sailing armament), home port Odessa, Ukraine. Currently, the only sailing ship in Ukraine. Built in Poland at the Gdansk Shipyard in 1987.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 18 February 2021 01: 20
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: saygon66
        - Whose masts are in the background?

        "Druzhba" is a training three-masted ship (a ship with full sailing armament), home port Odessa, Ukraine. Currently, the only sailing ship in Ukraine. Built in Poland at the Gdansk Shipyard in 1987.

        Did he act in films? Something too familiar ...
    7. kristofer
      kristofer 17 February 2021 18: 11
      +6
      "Sedov" is, as it were, assigned to the Kaliningrad State Technical University.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 17 February 2021 18: 13
        +4
        - I see "Kruzenshtern" in the port more often ...
        1. kristofer
          kristofer 17 February 2021 18: 16
          +6
          I envy. For "Sedov" from open sources: In 2019-2020 he participates in the Antarctic expedition.
          In August-September 2020 passed along the Northern Sea Route
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 18 February 2021 07: 21
            +1
            The only sailboat who did this in the history of the sailing fleet. I'm talking about the NSR.
    8. Destiny
      Destiny 17 February 2021 18: 12
      +14
      Quote: saygon66
      Whose masts are in the background? "Sedov"?

      What has he forgotten there? "Sedov" is ours, he came from the next seas not so long ago, did not go to his non-brothers.
    9. Avior
      Avior 17 February 2021 18: 16
      0
      Sedov in Murmansk
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 17 February 2021 18: 25
        +6
        - It seems to be defended in Light ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 17 February 2021 19: 07
          +3
          Yes, I missed the moment - a couple of years ago they transferred from Murmansk to Kaliningrad
    10. Eldorado
      Eldorado 17 February 2021 18: 17
      +4
      This is a Polish training ship "Druzhba" built in 1987.
    11. The comment was deleted.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 17 February 2021 18: 31
        +12
        - Photo from February ... How did you not notice? what
    12. 210ox
      210ox 17 February 2021 18: 26
      +4
      It is on such ships that real sailors are brought up.
    13. Thrifty
      Thrifty 17 February 2021 18: 35
      0
      In the spirit of the times, to transform this unsuccessful get-manu into a floating brothel !!! laughing
    14. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp 17 February 2021 19: 13
      +2
      Quote: saygon66
      Whose masts are in the background? "Sedov" ?!

      Where is the fourth mast?
    15. Ulysses
      Ulysses 17 February 2021 19: 16
      +7
      "Sedov" together with "Kruzenshtern" we have in Kaliningrad.
      They hibernate.

      1. saygon66
        saygon66 17 February 2021 20: 16
        +3
        - Have you filmed from the Right Embankment?
        1. Ulysses
          Ulysses 18 February 2021 18: 50
          +1
          yes
          In the background is the well-recognized elevator building.
        2. Ulysses
          Ulysses 18 February 2021 18: 54
          +1
          yes
          In the background there is an elevator.
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 20 February 2021 11: 22
            0
            - Well, yes ... You can't confuse him! smile
    16. Clear
      Clear 17 February 2021 19: 50
      +4
      They talk in Ukraine ...

      Oh, but you can specify by surname, which of the representatives of the authorities of today's Ukraine is capable of reasoning at all?
    17. Berkut752
      Berkut752 17 February 2021 20: 20
      0
      You are absolutely right, what kind of "Sedov can be. This Hetman Sagaidachny has already begun to undergo modernization. Sails, cannons with cannonballs ...................
    18. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 17 February 2021 20: 42
      0
      Quote: saygon66
      Whose masts are in the background? "Sedov"?

      "Sedov" - a four-masted barque! hi This is probably the frigate "Friendship".
    19. Errr
      Errr 17 February 2021 21: 42
      +1
      Quote: saygon66
      - Whose masts are in the background? "Sedov" ?!
      And what about "Sedov"? Behind the Sagaidachny, obviously, are the masts of Druzhba, the only Ukrainian sailing ship at the moment.
    20. andretry
      andretry 17 February 2021 22: 13
      +1
      This frigate "Druzhba", currently the only sailing ship in Ukraine.
      In 1992, in the Italian port of Messina, the ship was converted into a cruise yacht. The number of places for cadets was reduced to 30; instead of the cockpits, 29 double passenger cabins, a restaurant with 75 seats, and two bars appeared. The vessel operated on the route Barcelona - Balearic Islands, then (1995-1996) in Bulgaria, in 1997 it was leased by the company "Primorye" (owner Leonid Klimov.

      Since the beginning of the XXI century, the ship has been docked in the Odessa port, and junior cadets of the National University "Odessa Maritime Academy" periodically undergo practical training there.
    21. Kosya Queen
      Kosya Queen 17 February 2021 22: 39
      +1
      That is "Friendship". Training ship.
    22. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 17 February 2021 22: 42
      +1
      Quote: saygon66
      - Whose masts are in the background? "Sedov" ?! Although now what could be "Sedov" ....

      Sedov four-masted barque, this is probably an old photograph with a former three-masted Comrade. Today already returned to the harbor of the pre-war registration of Germany.
    23. shkiper83
      shkiper83 18 February 2021 04: 27
      0
      Chersonesos may be
    24. January
      January 18 February 2021 14: 31
      0
      "Chersonesus" or "Friendship". These frigates are of the same type and are difficult to distinguish by their equipment.
    25. Hikker
      Hikker 18 February 2021 16: 16
      0
      This "Friendship", a place where students of the local maritime academy, every year scrub the deck)
    26. SKR-1135
      SKR-1135 19 February 2021 18: 15
      0
      This is PUS "Friendship".
  2. Orkraider
    Orkraider 17 February 2021 17: 44
    +2
    Execution cannot be pardoned. And put a comma yourself wink laughing
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 February 2021 18: 28
      +3
      Quote: Orkraider
      Execution cannot be pardoned. And put a comma yourself

      The song in Ukraine is like this:
      "I thought, I thought, I thought
      I thought, I thought, I thought
      I thought, I thought that I changed my mind
      I thought, I thought, I thought! "
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 February 2021 18: 05
    0
    Only for scrap metal, the pan-headed warships with missile weapons are not a toy. Let it be better to float on inflatable chambers. Thought out loud, the British gave the Romanians their destroyers, removing their missile weapons, these are the ones that survived on the Malvinas.
  4. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 17 February 2021 18: 08
    0
    and ensure the interests of Ukraine in distant seas and oceans

    Well, what and in what seas did they have interests? belay
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 17 February 2021 18: 11
      0
      In Belarusian near their refineries.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 17 February 2021 18: 12
        0
        Quote: evgen1221
        In Belarusian near their refineries.

        So they will have to dig a channel there recourse
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 17 February 2021 18: 30
          +3
          Quote: Lipchanin
          So they will have to dig a channel there

          They dug the Black Sea, so what should the Ukrainians dig a channel? Thu!
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 17 February 2021 18: 52
            +1
            Quote: Egoza
            They dug the Black Sea, so what should the Ukrainians dig a channel? Thu!

            So this channel will be more complicated.
            Already from America itself, so that the dogs there to help the outskirts of the aircraft carrier sent
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 February 2021 18: 53
      0
      Minusyarsk, tell us what interests you have there? laughing
  5. Redsun
    Redsun 17 February 2021 18: 10
    0
    Why would they even need a fleet? To the level of the Russian Black Sea Fleet is the same as walking to the moon. Only money is spent on service. It would be wiser for them to develop brk and naval aviation. Although "reasonable" and "Ukraine" have long been incompatible concepts
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 February 2021 18: 14
      +2
      Quote: redsun
      Why would they even need a fleet?

      "Ponty pounding"
      And "drive tanks to the population" that
    2. Misha_an26
      Misha_an26 17 February 2021 21: 32
      -2
      About naval aviation in vain. There is nothing.
  6. Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 February 2021 18: 11
    0
    "Maybe even to Russia ..." (c). Does Russia need this semi-finished product? Glory to all the saints, we have enough of our own universities for the fleet.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 February 2021 18: 17
      -1
      Quote: Captive
      Does Russia need this semi-finished product?

      Rather, the "fifth column"
  7. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 17 February 2021 18: 11
    0
    After all, this is the only Ukrainian ship that is suitable for supporting personnel qualifications and training cadets.

    You can also adapt the submarine "Zaporozhye" for the skills "climbed into the wheelhouse, climbed out"
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 February 2021 18: 35
      +1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      You can also adapt the submarine "Zaporozhye" for the skills "climbed into the wheelhouse, climbed out"

      Nope! We have PL for the inspiration of modern "pysmennykiv". And then, you know, with the "councils" they wrote the play "In the steppes of Ukraine", so it does not fit ideologically. We will have a new play "PL as a plastuner sneaks into the steppes of Ukraine"
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 17 February 2021 18: 56
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        "The PL as a plastuner sneaks into the steppes of Ukraine"

        Disguised as a steam train lol
  8. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 17 February 2021 18: 13
    +3
    ***

    MARINE BATTLE UNDER THE BRIDGE

    (November 2018)

    ---

    Twenty Pairs of Lace Briefs

    And one battle toilet

    Lost in an unequal battle

    Ukrainian maritime special forces ...

    ©

    ***
  9. LAWNER
    LAWNER 17 February 2021 18: 21
    +1
    I have a shchebzavodsky quarry in my city. There they hand over for management of small-sized vessels, jet skis ... and the Metallurgical Plant, where scrap metal is 19 thousand per ton. You can cut the ship, and spend the money on studies. Fortunately, they now have a lot of boats.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 February 2021 18: 37
      +1
      Quote: LAWNER
      You can cut the ship, and spend the money on studies. Fortunately, they now have a lot of boats.

      The boats can be sold to the oligarchs for "show-off". And they can also train while sitting on a wooden bench.
  10. Alien From
    Alien From 17 February 2021 18: 37
    0
    Let the Chinese try to sell it ..... although it won't work anymore)
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 February 2021 18: 48
    +6
    Don't cut it with needles, erect it as a monument to the Ukrainian dumbbells who ruined a prosperous country and take everyone here once a year without fail, who with pots to their heads and beat them with their head on the side. Start with Kravchuk and continue in order. I do not require payment. laughing
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 17 February 2021 19: 01
      +1
      You are some kind of evil, you can't do that))) you need to be softer with people, but look at the question shorter))))
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 17 February 2021 19: 03
        +1
        It is necessary to knock the nonsense out of them, in such an old-fashioned way and let them try.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 17 February 2021 19: 07
          +1
          What is happening now in Ukraine is by no means nonsense, but a long-planned and well-implemented action with the aim of "pulling away from Russia", but it turns out badly. The performers are busy with their pockets, and not following ingenious instructions from the Washington Reich Chancellery.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 18 February 2021 07: 51
            0
            You are a little mistaken, because this
            a long-planned and well-implemented action, with the aim of "tearing away from Russia",
            the idea is planned by striped, not pan-headed. And the pots have the crap in their heads like all the worlds because of what, they even have a written script
            turns out bad
            and of course an ineradicable desire to plunder your own country. So it is necessary to knock this nonsense out of them against the side.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 18 February 2021 13: 18
              0
              So the potheads were "cannon fodder" - fools, and even for money, it is not difficult to find. All their fault, only that they are stupid sheep. We were also promised in 91, we will secede from the USSR, we will live happily ever after - I believed, although I was 21 then.
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 18 February 2021 13: 27
                0
                That is why they say - if only youth knew, if old age could, but this is about normal people.
                And among Bandera there are no normal ones, there are only pans, both young and old. To be honest, I never thought that nationalism is such a thing that turns people into animals in the most literal sense.
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 18 February 2021 19: 17
                  0
                  Among those who stood on the maydown, there were few ideological ones. Most went there to work, there was a clear price list, what and how much it costs. There are not many Natsiks, real - ideological, in Ukraine, they just climbed out of the cracks now. And even then, more than half there, just vocational schools hired for extras, for 100 UAH.
                  1. Ros 56
                    Ros 56 19 February 2021 08: 32
                    0
                    It doesn't matter, it didn't affect the result, the coup took place and the Nazis are still on horseback. And what will happen next, no one knows.
                    1. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 19 February 2021 13: 04
                      0
                      Well, why not?)))) Natsik always and everywhere finished the same way)))) a good example - May 45.
                      1. Ros 56
                        Ros 56 19 February 2021 13: 52
                        0
                        Will you live to be 45? lol
                      2. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 19 February 2021 19: 33
                        0
                        No, I hope it will be earlier. I cited as an example, but in general, there are a lot of examples in the history of examples.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 17 February 2021 18: 49
    +2
    Even if there are no WORKABLE systems inside the "dacha saiga", except for the weir systems in the latrine, it will be left standing against the wall. There is nothing other than boats. And a few uk..r. there are admirals. It is necessary to cooperate with states.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 17 February 2021 19: 03
      +1
      Not an argument at all))) a tank lieutenant general commanded the fleet, admirals will be transferred to the infantry and everything will be fine)))
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 17 February 2021 18: 53
    0
    Waste of money.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 17 February 2021 19: 00
    +1
    The author, very correctly noted - the watercraft))) call it a ship, the language does not turn. Will go for scrap, following the undercruiser "Banderlyand"))))
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 17 February 2021 19: 16
    0
    Well, no one will take Ukrainian graduates into our fleet, even if they are 7 inches in the forehead, but these are foreigners and this is not Crimea 2014, and this was not even worth writing in the article.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 17 February 2021 23: 06
      +3
      It is understandable that they will not be hired for the navy, but for civilian ships for similar specialties they can probably take it.
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 18 February 2021 08: 40
        0
        For civilians, I think yes, there is an opportunity, but depending on the specialty. Since Soviet times, they have a normal civilian "sailor" in Odessa, we have in Novorossiysk, here these are then after the release of fluent English speakers are shoved with a question, and Ukrainian hydro-officers can get in there too ...
  • Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 17 February 2021 19: 36
    +1
    Why cheat? Let them spend money, and someday the dilapidated Ukrainian flagship will definitely gurgle like an iron and go to the bottom)))
  • mark1
    mark1 17 February 2021 19: 40
    0
    And not all of them are ready to lose their maritime skills on these "vessels", so they will want to go abroad. Maybe even to Russia.

    To construction sites ... well, if only as an exception ... but not all
    To serve in the Russian Navy ... - exquisite author's stupidity.
  • saygon66
    saygon66 17 February 2021 20: 24
    0
    - And how did the hetman receive such an honor in general? He served the Poles ... what
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 17 February 2021 20: 49
    +2
    Well, in general, the author writes wise things. On yom, my first son-in-law served under a contract. True, it was seven / eight years ago. Perhaps even more ...
    However, it is necessary to train staff on something. Or how?
    Today motorboats, tomorrow * Islands *, after tomorrow corvettes will be used. People need to study their specialty on what.
    The comment, of course, will not become popular, but this does not change the essence of the matter.
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  • nnz226
    nnz226 17 February 2021 22: 04
    0
    Back in Ukrainian times, the "Saiga dachny" was undergoing repairs in Sevastopol for several years, and with labor-intensive repairs, such as GTZA or turbines. Then the economic situation of Ukrobabuinia was better, and then "koschiv dumb ...", and even now .... They won't find so much money to reanimate not a ship, but a ship ... So let them train on the boats that the merino has presented ...
  • wow
    wow 17 February 2021 22: 20
    0
    The future of the "ocean ukroflot" is just behind this "hetman" and the masts are shining.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 17 February 2021 23: 02
    +1
    On the frigate "Getman Sagaidachny" there is an anti-submarine missile - RBU-6000, but how does it aim at a submarine without GAS?
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 18 February 2021 10: 18
      0
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      On the frigate "Getman Sagaidachny" there is an anti-submarine missile - RBU-6000, but how does it aim at a submarine without GAS?

      And where did he go then? Didn't the Ukrainians cut the bulb?
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 17 February 2021 23: 32
    -1
    Topic of the day - How is it in Ukraine laughing
  • Revolver
    Revolver 18 February 2021 00: 26
    0
    Yes, the whole country 404 should be written off as the result of a failed experiment with independence.
  • amr
    amr 18 February 2021 01: 54
    0
    I wonder how many Admirals they have left? for their entire rubber fleet?))
  • APASUS
    APASUS 18 February 2021 09: 19
    0
    I read the analytical material last year, where the author made it clear that the fate of "Hetman Sagaidachny" after the renovation is unenviable, it will simply be written off. I could not believe it for a long time.
  • ironic
    ironic 18 February 2021 14: 08
    -1
    It would also be correct to send the cruiser Ukraine for recycling and finally start building corvettes of small displacement.
  • Hikker
    Hikker 18 February 2021 16: 21
    +1
    This ship is a corpse, how can it be a flagship, it is not at all clear how a non-existent fleet can have a flagship? all the others had apparently already rotted from the side, there were also 4re pieces, rusty troughs, which were not shown to anyone. By the way, each of his access to the civilian part of the port, even that circus, when the frigate Lafayette stood nearby, with one bedside table for a pass, on this trough there were 5 machine gunners in full equipment that these rogues have a current, apparently they were afraid that the population would fill the muzzle
  • zenion
    zenion 18 February 2021 20: 27
    0
    Why so immediately. It can be covered with a tarpaulin and thus make a submarine for tourists. For the same normal money, you can show the bottom of the Black Sea, on which there are traces of Ukrainian shovels.
  • Stepan S
    Stepan S 19 February 2021 09: 56
    0
    And not all of them are ready to lose their maritime skills on these "vessels", so they will want to go abroad. Maybe even to Russia.

    Who will hire them to serve in the Russian Navy? That's it, the window of opportunity has closed. They took those who served in Crimea, and then there were many superfluous ones, who only because of the pension came to our service, and having received a pension they left for Ukraine and throw mud at us. I know such people, they live in Kherson, apartments in Sevastopol are rented out, they receive a pension and turn up their nose.
  • tolancop
    tolancop 19 February 2021 17: 41
    0
    Very amused:
    "... After all, the newly minted Ukrainian Navy officers, having acquired qualifications on a frigate, will go to serve on boats, tugs and rubber boats (fortunately, there are enough of them from the USA). And not all of them are ready to lose their maritime skills on these" vessels ", therefore will want to go abroad. Maybe even to Russia. Is the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine satisfied with it - to train specialists for foreign Armed Forces? .... "
    And who needs them in Russia? And even more so in other countries. Or do the Ukrainians believe that they are just so wonderful that they will be snapped up? But in reality, another "zrada" awaits them.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      21 February 2021 21: 01
      0
      Well, and what, maybe it will be possible to stick into some fishing seiner, or somewhere else. Better than a rubber boat, though.
  • Igor Matyunin
    Igor Matyunin 21 February 2021 22: 03
    0
    The Turks are building 4 corvettes for them. Instead of a frigate.