"Conflict in Donbass is not an obstacle": Kiev called the timing of Ukraine's entry into NATO

The conflict in Donbass is not an obstacle to Ukraine's entry into NATO. This was stated by the Prime Minister of the country Denis Shmyhal in an interview with Ukrinform.

The head of the Ukrainian government is convinced that the military conflict in the Donbass may cause some discussion among "individual NATO members", but in general it will not prevent Ukraine from joining the alliance. In his opinion, in order to join NATO, Ukraine needs to carry out appropriate reforms, which has been repeatedly stated by the Alliance Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, as well as to completely transfer the Ukrainian Armed Forces to Western standards.

According to him, the only obstacle to Ukraine's entry into NATO is the army's unpreparedness for a full transition to Western standards.

As soon as Ukraine is ready to confirm the full transition, the question of joining NATO will immediately arise

- said Shmygal.

According to him, to demonstrate the adherence of the Ukrainian army to NATO standards, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already planned several major exercises with Ukraine's allies and partners.

Note that Ukraine's entry into NATO is enshrined in the Ukrainian Constitution. The alliance itself has repeatedly stated that Ukraine will soon be admitted to NATO, but the matter is not going further than promises. At the same time, NATO does not accept countries with territorial disputes. An example is Georgia, which has territorial claims to Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Georgia has been trying to become a NATO member for a long time, but the decision on this has been postponed all the time.

Comments

[lucul]

Hmm ....
If a gentleman cannot win by the rules, then the gentleman changes these rules)))
According to NATO rules, they accept only a country that has no territorial claims to another, and has no conflict on its territory.

[alien]

Quote: lucul

By NATO rules

Laugh

[Temples]

It's time to return to the administrative-territorial system of the Russian Empire.
To recognize the actions of the Bolsheviks who staged a coup unlawful.

Ukraine will end as a republic overnight.
The territories will be Russian again.
Kazakhov to send the camels to graze.
Balts in England to wash toilets.
And further on the list including the Caucasus.

The borders that exist today are the fruit of the actions of the Bolsheviks.

The cultists are enjoying themselves.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Temples

The cultists are enjoying themselves.

yes, you seem to be delighted with your fantasy too

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

You seem to be delighted with your fantasy too

It's closer to ecstasy ... or trance.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

This is just a shmygal fool, empty wishlist dreams similar to those of "joining the EU." Even such scumbags as NATO will never accept a country "at war with Russia" into the bloc: after admission, you must immediately begin the real war with Russia. Do they need it?

[grandfather_Kostya]

a country "at war with Russia"

Shmyhal indirectly acknowledged the civil war.

[victor50]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Even such scumbags as NATO will never accept a country "at war with Russia" into the bloc: after admission, a real war with Russia must be immediately started. Do they need it?

As soon as they understand what is needed, they will immediately change all their fundamental principles. And it will be when they need to start a war with us. And it is better to prepare for this scenario than to assume that it will never happen.

[lucul]

It's time to return to the administrative-territorial system of the Russian Empire.

For this, Russia had to call itself the legal successor not of the USSR, but of the Russian Empire)))

[Temples]

You could call yourself anyone.
They say a lot here.
Someone said that they would not raise the retirement age.
Someone promised communism in XNUMX.
Someone promised everyone the Volga.

Balabol on balabol.

They keep talking ....

Meanwhile, the war in Donbass lasts longer than the Great Patriotic War.

And the boundaries were invented by the Bolsheviks.
And only the recognition of these borders by today's Russia makes them legitimate.
Should we abandon the Bolshevik division of our country and the "state" will fall apart like a house of cards.

It is convenient not to admit the facts. It hurts to deprive yourself of dreams.
Churches have been destroyed
God was abandoned.
No faith.
There is emptiness in the soul.
There are only memories of imaginary happiness in a land of unrealizable hopes ruled by idols ..
This is your whole communism.

And as it hurts in your side, you squeeze the cross in your hand.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Temples

And the boundaries were invented by the Bolsheviks.
And only the recognition of these borders by today's Russia makes them legitimate.
Should we abandon the Bolshevik division of our country and the "state" will fall apart like a house of cards.

Catch the addict!

[Bratkov Oleg]

Faith with God and brought the country to the handle. Your unconsciousness, apparently, does not know that even before 1917, the peasants drove priests out of the villages.

[boris epstein]

And faith was conditional, when necessary, they spat on it. I read the book of Petrov-Biryuk "Kondraty Bulavin". First, the Cossack atamans Maksimov, Petrov, Zershchikov, along with the rest KISSED the CROSS on loyalty to Bulavin, and then spit on their oath.
In a raid on the rear of the Red Army in 1919, the Cossack corps of the White Mamantov and Shkuro successfully robbed not only peasants, but also churches instead of cutting off communications, destroying military depots and smashing small garrisons. Source: AI Denikin, "Sketches of Russian Troubles".

[businessv]

Quote: Temples

The borders that exist today are the fruit of the actions of the Bolsheviks.

That's right, but then they ruled
country. The plan is interesting for its result, but unattainable due to the inability of our authorities to pursue a policy in the interests of Russia.

[Grits]

Quote: businessv

The plan is interesting for its result, but unattainable due to the inability of our authorities to pursue a policy in the interests of Russia.

The authorities did not bring the situation in the interests of Russia back in 2008. When she openly pushed to enter Tbilisi with tanks, hang Mr. Saakashili by his personal belongings and put her protege at the head of Georgia. And questions about Georgia’s joining NATO would have disappeared by themselves.
A similar situation happened in 2014. When the entire South-East of Ukraine lay at our feet and the overwhelming majority of its inhabitants were ready to welcome the Russian troops as their own. But then the authorities did not just piss them off, but literally put them in their pants after the threat of sanctions. Note - not wars, but simply sanctions. Now we have what we have - namely, NATO is not near the Dnieper, but near the border of the Russian Federation - near Voronezh and Kursk.

[Igoresha]

the henchman would not have lasted long, if he had ever been. Guzins are not Russians with eternal approval

[Bratkov Oleg]

In Donetsk, only half were waiting for Russia, and the other half would shoot in the back. The results of voting in Ukraine and Crimea in 1991 will clearly explain everything to you. And now Donetsk doesn’t want to join Ukraine, but it has never really wanted to go to Russia, if we speak for the entire population as a whole.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Temples

It's time to return to the administrative-territorial system of the Russian Empire.
To recognize the actions of the Bolsheviks who staged a coup unlawful.

and when did the Bolsheviks manage to destroy the Russian Empire ?!
by October 25, 1917 there was NO RI

[hydrox]

Do not swear; the boys pass off their illiteracy in terms of knowledge of the History of Russia as patriotism, without even trying to remember that after the February Revolution, the Power, which the temporary Prospect could not keep, was lying in October 17 in the mud and dust on all the roads of the Republic of Ingushetia and the Bolsheviks remained just pick it up, shaking it off slightly.
And due to the fact that the authorities did not stretch out, but began to use it as it is, and Russia tumbled into the Civil War for many years.
That's how it was, and if the Bolsheviks had conquered power, then the result could have been completely different (with the experience and skills of managing POWER) ...

[credo]

Quote: lucul

Hmm ....
If a gentleman cannot win according to the rules, then the gentleman changes these rules)))
According to NATO rules, they accept a country that does not have territorial claims to another, and does not have a conflict on its territory.

In principle, if NATO deems it necessary to accept Ukraine, then it will of course be accepted with territorial disputes.

The mantras of domestic experts that something is spelled out in the NATO Charter that is an insurmountable obstacle is self-complacency for one's loved ones and attempts to reason with, for example, such neighbors as Georgia or Ukraine.

Any charter can be amended as soon as there is a need to change it. It's corny, but it's a simple routine.

[aars]

But will there be a need for that given the current growth of isolationist tendencies in the United States?
And the complete impotence of Europe ...

[credo]

Quote: aars

But will there be a need for that given the current growth of isolationist tendencies in the United States?
And the complete impotence of Europe ...

Yes, the Yankees will easily and naturally hang all the responsibility for maintaining the "pants" of Ukraine just for an impotent man named "Europe", with the obligation to finance Ukraine's expenses for the purchase of NATO (ie, American) weapons for the EU countries.
They have no moral principles on this score and they do not suffer from conscience.

[businessv]

Quote: aars

But will there be a need for that given the current growth of isolationist tendencies in the United States?

With Trump gone, trends are gone.

[aars]

Here - I do not agree!
Trump or not is not that important, the mood of the masses is important.

[lucul]

Any charter can be amended as soon as there is a need to change it. It's corny, but it's a simple routine.

Indeed, why observe some kind of agreement, truce? ))))
There was a need - we change in our direction)))
"You are only to blame for the fact that I want to eat. He said and dragged the lamb into the dark forest.")))

[credo]

Quote: lucul

Any charter can be amended as soon as there is a need to change it. It's corny, but it's a simple routine.

Indeed, why observe some kind of agreement, truce? ))))
There was a need - we change in our direction)))
"You are only to blame for the fact that I want to eat. He said and dragged the lamb into the dark forest.")))

Their charter is that they will do what they want, and our interpreters do not order them.
I hope that our Commander-in-Chief and the General Staff are not building illusions on this score.

[Grits]

Quote: credo

I hope that our Commander-in-Chief and the General Staff are not building illusions on this score.

Exactly what they are building. And they hope that NATO's internal charter will save us from Ukraine's entry into this organization. Will not save. Every year it will only get worse and worse for us - Georgia and then Ukraine will still be there. The abscess had to be cut out right away, now this abscess near our borders will only grow and every year it will be more difficult to eliminate it. And when they join NATO, we will only have to put up with it.

[evgen1221]

Yes, yes it is corrected if really necessary. Balt example to help. Those, too, still hit our lands with mouths and the sea, but the first ones flew into nature for the Baltic, all the cases. What prevents the Sumerians from taking?

[New Year day]

Quote: credo

In principle, if NATO deems it necessary to accept Ukraine, then it will of course be accepted with territorial disputes.

The point is that you can be in NATO de facto and de jure. Even without de jure Ukraine is de facto on its way to NATO:
in 2020, for example, the Armed Forces of Ukraine underwent a reorganization of command structures according to the NATO J-structure (from the term Joint, that is, united);
deliveries of special-purpose IT equipment designed by the Ministry of Defense and for all other significant military facilities of the country are going to Kiev;
in the Nikolaev region, under the leadership of the Amerkins, exercises of army units are repeatedly conducted together with border guards and the National Guard;
America carries out direct supplies of weapons, for example, the same FGM-148E - the latest modification of ammunition for the Javelin ATGM, military boats, anti-ship missiles;
a NATO base already exists in Ochakov, a similar base is being built in Mariupol;
airfields of Ukraine are freely used by NATO aviation - just remember the B-52 overflights in the coincidence of Ukrainian fighters from the Volyn region towards the Crimea
and many, many other examples.
While many experts really claim that "Ukraine will not be accepted into NATO" because of territorial disputes, in fact everything is going as it is.
The latter - in the House of Representatives of the US Congress presented a bill on the possibility of granting Ukraine the status of the main US ally outside NATO for the period from the date of entry of this document into force until the entry of our state into the North Atlantic Alliance.
And none of the Americans will fight for Ukraine - everything is true, but because the younger generation of Ukrainians is growing up, who is ready to do this.

[ximkim]

He will be an ally, but not a member soon. Investments and investments are still being made in Ukraine, plus NATO is also in a hurry with its rule. The situation is such - the alliance is pushing Ukraine into the swamp, then pulling it out of the swamp.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: credo

In principle, if NATO deems it necessary to admit Ukraine, then it will of course be accepted with territorial disputes.
The mantras of domestic experts that something is spelled out in the NATO Charter that is an insurmountable obstacle is self-complacency for one's loved ones and attempts to reason with, for example, such neighbors as Georgia or Ukraine.

This is controversial. What Ukraine wants to join NATO does not mean that NATO wants to see Ukraine in its composition. NATO is quite satisfied with the fact that Ukraine is in the status of a "priority" partner, which allows using this partner both "in the tail and in the mane" while using its resources and territory without burdening itself with obligations.

Quote: credo

Any charter can be amended as soon as there is a need to change it. It's corny, but it's a simple routine.

Adjusted for one country? To amend the charter, the consent of all 30 states in the bloc is required. Considering that Ukraine has a lot of problems with neighbors on an ethnic basis, expressed in the infringement of national minorities based on language (Hungary, Romania, Poland), it is unlikely that they will agree to changes until Ukraine repeals the language law. Considering the fact that the same countries with "some GREAT interest" are looking at the border areas where national minorities live compactly, in the future the question may arise either about their autonomy, or about the inclusion of these territories in their composition, which will hinder the bloc status of Ukraine. So the status of "partner", which performs the function of a carrot hanging in front of the muzzle of a donkey, suits NATO quite well, but for Ukraine it is "above the roof".

[Kisa]

Quote: credo

if NATO deems it necessary to admit Ukraine

in its current status, Ukraine is perfectly satisfied with the alliance to be at the forefront of the confrontation. why take them somewhere, puzzling yourself with additional responsibility.
if suddenly the pendulum swings back and the Kremlin starts a game and Boyko and the opposition bloc will become real precursors only then there will be rich financial injections and all kinds of alliance blocs, but for now everything works there and so without financial costs for the hatred of Ukrainians towards Russians (85% in Russian-speaking) and this is mutual and for a long time

[three]

Ukraine in NATO .... It is unlikely. One thing is to destroy the aboriginal country, plunder it and make it pay for everything and everyone, and quite another thing is to give the aborigines weapons and take public responsibility for their barbaric unpredictable actions ... The rodents have already shown everything , the result for Nata is zero, plus the impoverishment of rodents is futile from the point. in terms of arms purchases, payments, etc. Closeness to Russia? There are Balts. And if you set them on, they will set the Ukrainian beggars at least tomorrow, remaining "clean" ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: credo

In principle, if NATO deems it necessary to accept Ukraine, then it will of course be accepted with territorial disputes.

And there, isn't unanimous consent required? Will some kind of Montenegro stand across? It's a question, if anything ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: lucul

According to NATO rules, they accept only a country that has no territorial claims to another, and has no conflict on its territory.

when they play on their own field, then their own rules are established

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: lucul

If a gentleman cannot win by the rules, then the gentleman changes those rules. According to NATO rules, they accept only a country that has no territorial claims to another, and has no conflict on its territory.

Simple and tasteful, but we have examples of the Baltic states, although they were simply dragged into nature. The "green whistle" will be when NATO representatives speak in the same way - no one is interested in the country's 404 opinion

[Brturin]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

"Green whistle" will be when NATO representatives speak in the same way

The representatives there are different, and the reception requires unanimity - the same Hungarians are no longer inferior in spite of the assurances of some, now they will order them too ... (https://topwar.ru/165464-vengrija-poobeschala-ne-puskat-ukrainu -v-nato.html) ... so that in addition to the standards, some representatives will also require their own conditions to be met (the same Poles, Romanians)

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: BrTurin

in addition to standards, some representatives will demand fulfillment of their own conditions (the same Poles, Romanians)

Lovely scold .., the main thing is not to interfere with them and let's hope for the obstinacy of the Poles, Romanians, Hungarians ... although

[Finches]

The Charter of the North Atlantic Alliance is written in black and white - that it is forbidden to admit countries with an armed conflict on its territory to NATO. And Kuleba can settle in the anus of Mr. Stoltenberg, but the matter will not move beyond political statements about the imminent entry of Ukraine into NATO! Many Ukrainians, especially narrow-minded marginals of the Western region, are confident that joining NATO will automatically return Crimea to them, but this is absolute stupidity, and NATO will not enter into an armed conflict with Russia over Crimea - they have already closed this issue for themselves ... For a long time and everything is clear that the United States and the Alliance are using Ukraine for their own purposes, feeding Kiev with the hope of joining NATO and, indeed, the example of Georgia is extremely indicative, but apparently the Ukrainian society does not even have enough brains to appreciate it! However, if you look at it from a pragmatic point of view, I will earn billions of dollars for the rearmament of the Armed Forces, both the American military-industrial complex and the thieving Ukrainian elite - the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not become stronger from this, but how many pretentious speeches there will be about parades on Red Square and in Sevastopol!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Finches

.. for an adequate person

Those in the "office of the president ze" that something is not observed

[Cube123]

Quote: lucul

According to NATO rules, only the country is accepted, having no territorial claims to another , and has no conflict on its territory.

In order to avoid territorial claims, it is necessary Ukraine to recognize Crimea as Russian

[Clear]

The conflict in Donbass is not an obstacle to Ukraine's entry into NATO.

Why would NATO accept you into its bloc? You and so all his requirements unconditionally fulfill.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

You and so all his requirements unconditionally fulfill ... and what is more, and in debt, and so with a membership with here you will get a piece, ...

[Clear]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

You and so all his requirements unconditionally fulfill ... and what is more, and in debt, and so with a membership with here you will get a piece, ...

Yes, a piece is not a pity ... They, with their adventures, will drag all NATU into a good "batch".
In NATO, although most of the "hawks", but not the id.iots.

[Mountain shooter]

Literally tomorrow ... we'll just switch to NATO standards ... So, Vanguyu - yes, never ... Well, the Germans will not go anywhere to die for the Ukrainians ...

[Lionnvrsk]

Not only Germans, even Romanians won't! If Ukrainians themselves do not want to die for themselves, then who will agree for them. They can't even buy a vaccine for themselves. Pfizer and Astrazeneka rubbed their lips and so far refused to supply. They ran to the Chinese, so they, remembering the Ukrainian scam, gave them Koronavak with an efficiency of 55% at the price of the world's best vaccines. Skakuas because of the "allergy" to the Russian vaccine were ready to buy this shit and even paid an advance payment, so the minke whales were alarmed - why is it suddenly a "strategic partner" ( ) went to competitors. And the delivery from China was covered with a copper basin. And now Dr. Death's successor complains that such a situation will lead to dire consequences - "opening the way for the delivery of Russian" Sputnik V "to the country.

[svp67]

After the words of the head of NATO about the readiness to militarily oppose Russia, you are no longer surprised at anything ...

[alien]

Quote: svp67

After the words of the head of NATO about the readiness to militarily oppose Russia, you are no longer surprised.

Yes, it's like wondering why Hitler attacked Poland. The main NATO member pumps oil in Syria without any rules, but here they talk about the rules ...

[atos_kin]

The sooner it enters, the sooner a fur animal will enter NATO. They understand this and will imitate the introduction to the last.

[Berg berg]

As soon as Ukraine is ready to join NATO, Russia will immediately recognize the entire territory of Novorossia within its historical borders as independent. After that, it will immediately fulfill the demands of the people of Novorossia and introduce its troops along its entire border.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Berg Berg

Russia immediately recognizes the entire territory of Novorossiya within its historical borders as independent.

it is in what "historical boundaries"?

[Berg berg]

Look at those in the internet there everything is about 70% of the territory!

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Well, someone's hands are itching to paint a contour map - there is time, there are markers, the orderlies are watching TV. And what about the history of this work of the mentally ill?

[Herman 4223]

No, Ukraine must be returned in its entirety, like the illegally seized territory of the USSR. Legally, it did not disintegrate.

[Grits]

Quote: Herman 4223

No, Ukraine must be returned in its entirety, like the illegally seized territory of the USSR. Legally, it did not disintegrate.

What do you propose to do with those who ride in Lutsk or Lviv? Hang, expel to Poland or feed for free? No thanks - I prefer the map above.

[Dude]

What do you propose to do with those who ride in Lutsk or Lviv? Hang, expel to Poland or feed for free?

Why feed for free? If they want to eat, they will start working.

[Herman 4223]

These are their problems. Let them do what they want, the main thing is that according to the law. And if not, then there will be a place in Siberia.

[Clear]

Quote: Herman 4223

No, Ukraine needs to be returned entirely,

So trouble with her later

[Herman 4223]

Did they tell you this on TV?
I think Goebbels' radio would give something like that too. And maybe it gave out, I don't know for sure.

[Clear]

Quote: Herman 4223

I think Goebbels' radio would give something like that too. And maybe it gave out, I don't know for sure.

I didn’t understand either. What are you about?

[Herman 4223]

I'm talking about an informational picture of what is happening.
First, you were told on TV that Ukraine and all the other republics of the USSR are now not your territory. It is not clear on what basis, because legally this is not the case. There was no procedure for leaving the union. Then you got a picture that there are only enemies, and there is a lot of trouble with them.
It's not just that, television lives at the expense of advertisers. Advertisers are mostly of Western origin. And whoever pays is the one who calls the tune.

[Clear]

Quote: Herman 4223

I'm talking about an informational picture of what is happening.
First, you were told on TV that Ukraine and all the other republics of the USSR are now not your territory. It is not clear on what basis, because legally this is not the case. There was no procedure for leaving the union. Then you got a picture that there are only enemies, and there is a lot of trouble with them.
It's not just that, television lives at the expense of advertisers. Advertisers are mostly of Western origin. And whoever pays is the one who calls the tune.

Most likely it is.

[Grits]

Quote: Berg Berg

As soon as Ukraine is ready to join NATO, Russia will immediately recognize the entire territory of Novorossia within its historical borders as independent. After that it will immediately fulfill the demands of the people of Novorossia and will introduce its troops along its entire border.

Your words, yes to God in the ears. But the experience of the past recent years suggests that our government is afraid of tough actions to trembling knees and will never do that.

[Alien From]

This comrade is distinguished by intelligence and ingenuity)

[Doccor18]

... countries with territorial disputes are not accepted into NATO. Georgia can be cited as an example ...

Georgia is not Ukraine ... To seize "such" a bridgehead and deploy its troops on it (legally and for an unlimited time), NATO can go for an "exception to the rule" ...

[Rusticolus]

And why should they accept Ukraine into NATO？ They are the masters there, and they will say and do it. And having accepted them, at least formally, they will have to be defended, why does NATO need this crap？ Rabams have no place in a European home, they have a place in a stable. They'll die, and it's not a pity.

[Doccor18]

By accepting a country into NATO, the Americans will legally be able to build military facilities there (up to stationary long-range radars and missile-interceptors), flood the country with their units. And Russia cannot even say anything in response. Everything is according to the law ...

[rotmistr60]

The desires of the Ukrainian "elite" have long exceeded their capabilities, but they still try to talk about the same thing every day. We will carry out a complete de-Russification and then we will heal, for the sake of the United States and the EU we will lie down with bones in the Donbass and then we will live, we will switch to NATO standards and then we will definitely heal ... and so on ad infinitum. By and large, why should the United States bother with the admission of Ukraine to NATO when they are already there.

[lucul]

The desires of the Ukrainian "elite" have long exceeded their capabilities, but they still try to talk about the same thing every day. We will carry out a complete de-Russification and then we will heal, for the sake of the United States and the EU we will lie down with bones in the Donbass and then we will live, we will switch to NATO standards and then we will definitely heal ... and so on ad infinitum. By and large, why should the United States bother with the admission of Ukraine to NATO when they are already there.

So - a carrot in front of a donkey's nose. Simple manipulation, in its purest form.

[Clear]

Quote: lucul

The desires of the Ukrainian "elite" have long exceeded their capabilities, but they still try to talk about the same thing every day. We will carry out a complete de-Russification and then we will heal, for the sake of the United States and the EU we will lie down with bones in the Donbass and then we will live, we will switch to NATO standards and then we will definitely heal ... and so on ad infinitum. By and large, why should the United States bother with the admission of Ukraine to NATO when they are already there.

So - a carrot in front of a donkey's nose. Simple manipulation, in its purest form.

So NATO has already invented for Ukraine - NATO Enhanced Opportunities Partner status... Then he will come up with a status - a senior partner, then a main partner ...
Bred like suckers. Ah, these rejoice like ... crazy

[lucul]

Bred like suckers. Ah, these rejoice like ... crazy

This is what awaits us ... enough oppam to come to power ...

[Clear]

Quote: lucul

Bred like suckers. Ah, these rejoice like ... crazy

This is what awaits us ... enough oppam to come to power ...

Well, Vitaly, say the same ... With such a mood ... It is necessary to be more optimistic and harder

[lucul]

Well, Vitaly, say the same ... With such a mood ... what More optimistic and poignant yes

This is one of the options for the development of events, and so I am an optimist, yes)))

[Clear]

Quote: lucul

and so I'm an optimist, yes)))

Moreover, you have such a beautiful avatar

[lucul]

It's just an avatar, although when I smile, there is a certain similarity.

[tralflot1832]

NATO soldiers are ready to die for Ukraine! The whole world is with us! We have already heard that. More likely, NATO will fight with us to the last Ukrainian! It is not sad, but this is NATO's dream.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tralflot1832

NATO soldiers are ready to die for Ukraine!

And the Sumerian soldiers themselves are ready to die for some unknown reason?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

In general, is anyone going to die for something?

[Lipchanin]

And why do they climb into Nat?
Where hasn’t Nata ever fought for zashtatnikov?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Lipchanin

And why do they climb into Nat?

and where should they go? In the CSTO?

[Runway]

The head of the Ukrainian government expressed his subjective point of view. In Brussels they were slightly surprised, kmk. There, of course, those are still "hawks", but not.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: WFP

Brussels was a little surprised

[HAM]

How much the Kuevo rulers want to join the EU, then NATO .... but for now it turns out ... not there .... well, I really want to fight instead of the Europeans somewhere .... And these spat on "NATO rules" can be accepted as meat .... very much against Russia.

[No name B]

Joining NATO is a desire to protect oneself from the appearance of another Novorossiya, Little Russia and other Russias. Russia is interested in frozen conflicts on its borders so that the former republics do not finally leave its sphere of influence. Since there is no sensible idea other than the Russian world, it is quite natural to live according to European standards, and not according to the laws of the oligarchs, both Ukrainian and Russian.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: HAM

How do the Kuevo rulers want to join somewhere-

[A.TOR]

Today is the age of the Internet.
Anyone interested can read what you have written.
It is rather strange to expect that people in the countries you mentioned will treat you and Russia in your person well (or at least neutral).

[Cowbra]

Guys. Brakes - and so evil, and even without a snack ...
In NATO, in general, they know that because of the impoverished Kholopia they have to rewrite the entire charter? Or is NATO eager to die in the Donbas?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Cowbra

Or is NATO eager to die in the Donbas?

There would be a desire, they have long ago entered

[kit88]

As soon as Ukraine is ready to confirm the full transition, the question of joining NATO will immediately arise

I wonder who told him that? Or he invented at his leisure, aggravating the vodka?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: kit88

As soon as Ukraine is ready to confirm the full transition,

Yes, one nation was led across the desert for 40 years.
But it was a long time ago.
Ukraine will be led on a leash longer

[Vladimir Anatolyevich]

In turn su .. us children, in turn! (c) ..... For the Turks, Georgians and others flawed.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vladimir Anatolyevich

In turn su .. us children, in turn! (c) ..... For the Turks, Georgians and others flawed.

Turkey has been in here for a long time. And that the problems with the borders do not bother her.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Vladimir Anatolyevich

For Turks, Georgians and the rest of the flawed

But they do not consider themselves that way, the oldest tribe on the planet

[TermNachTer]

There is a wonderful Ukrainian proverb: "Fool, dumkoyu bagatiє")))))

[Andrea]

As the cancer whistles, after the rain on Thursday.
Is the conflict in Donbass not an obstacle? Yes, you are at war with Russia with might and main! Now imagine: NATO for no reason, no reason, together with Ukraine, is plunged into a war ?! Is it necessary for NATE?
It looks like he keeps his fellow citizens completely for the Bilov, but maybe it is so, if they believe.
And the transition to NATO standards will take about 50 years, for this the dough should not be measured. There, either the padishah will die, or the donkey. I mean, either Ukraine will be covered with a bowl, or NATO.

[Emil mamedoff]

Quote: Vladimir Anatolyevich

In turn su .. us children, in turn! (c) ..... For the Turks, Georgians and others flawed.

Only the flawed can think so about the Turks, I think that they are not in NATO.
They've been there for a long time ..

[Vladimir Anatolyevich]

You are certainly right about Turkey's membership. The essence of my opinion is not in the Turks in NATO or not (in the EU, for example, they have also been in the hallway for a long time), but in the flawed position of the Ukrainian leadership. And in vain you are rude to a complete stranger.

[Emil mamedoff]

And you knowingly rude the word "Damaged" to the Turks?

[businessv]

Quote: Berg Berg

After that, it will immediately fulfill the requirements of the people of Novorossia and will introduce its troops along its entire border.

Unfortunately, our current leadership is not capable of such a step!

[bar]

Conflict in Donbass is not an obstacle to Ukraine's joining NATO

Does NATO know about this?
z'isti then vin z'ist, that who would give you
Of course, there are a lot of vigorous scumbags in the NATO leadership, but they are hardly as inadequate as the 404 leadership.

[mojohed2012]

And NATO was asked about the imminent entry of Ukraine into NATO?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: mojohed2012

And NATO was asked about the imminent entry of Ukraine into NATO?

Suyurpraaayz

[tralflot1832]

Do the Hungarians agree to such an action?

[cheburator]

Join soon, just shit!

[Herman 4223]

Can a sheep become part of a pack of wolves? Join their club and be on an equal footing with them?
A sheep can enter a pack of wolves only through their mouth and then exit through one place.

[Sands Careers General]

in Kiev called the timing of Ukraine's entry into NATO

Do NATO members know about this?))

[pyagomail.com]

UKRAINE: let us join NATO, and NATO will recapture Crimea and Donbass for us.
NATO: we will beckon Ukraine with the prospect of joining NATO, we will give (for money, loans) some kind of weapon - let it be a thorn in Russia.
UKRAINE: we will join the EEC, there will be salaries and pensions as in Europe, we will go to Vienna to drink coffee and all in lace panties.
EEC: let's give Ukraine an "association", let them come to us to wash the toilets.

[Gregory Charnota]

come into the manure! but decent organizations accept!

[Radius]

In Kiev, so many different terms have already been called on various occasions that they lost count ... At least they did something?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It was said by some Shmygal. Shmyhal is the Prime Minister of Ukraine. He also has a certificate.

[svoit]

Quote: Gritsa

put his protege at the head of Georgia

Such things cannot be solved from the box, for this it is necessary to prepare for more than one year, and there was time and opportunity, but there was no desire.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

Only first Kiev -Mother of Russian cities, give Russia! And join wherever you want! There is Little Russia, Russian land! And the Ukrainians (who are they? There are Ukrainians) do not have their land!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Even the Hungarians (NATO members) did not have their say. Perhaps the Hungarians will agree with the presence of Ukria in NATO, but only after Transcarpathia becomes part of Hungary.

[Prisoner]

The usual mantra of the Ukrainian "elite", which has nothing to do with reality. "People hawala" and okay. But ordinary people do not seem to care about the ECC and the NATU.

[KoT]

According to him, to demonstrate the adherence of the Ukrainian army to NATO standards, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already planned several major exercises with Ukraine's allies and partners. - the meat is planned, as in 41 straight, the bridgehead is being prepared))

[Sasha from Uralmash]

The Americans again want to solve their crisis with a war in Europe! And they will fight, until the last Bandera, but not for long! Here!