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"Conflict in Donbass is not an obstacle": Kiev called the timing of Ukraine's entry into NATO

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"Conflict in Donbass is not an obstacle": Kiev called the timing of Ukraine's entry into NATO

The conflict in Donbass is not an obstacle to Ukraine's entry into NATO. This was stated by the Prime Minister of the country Denis Shmyhal in an interview with Ukrinform.


The head of the Ukrainian government is convinced that the military conflict in the Donbass may cause some discussion among "individual NATO members", but in general it will not prevent Ukraine from joining the alliance. In his opinion, in order to join NATO, Ukraine needs to carry out appropriate reforms, which has been repeatedly stated by the Alliance Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, as well as to completely transfer the Ukrainian Armed Forces to Western standards.

According to him, the only obstacle to Ukraine's entry into NATO is the army's unpreparedness for a full transition to Western standards.

As soon as Ukraine is ready to confirm the full transition, the question of joining NATO will immediately arise

- said Shmygal.

According to him, to demonstrate the adherence of the Ukrainian army to NATO standards, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already planned several major exercises with Ukraine's allies and partners.

Note that Ukraine's entry into NATO is enshrined in the Ukrainian Constitution. The alliance itself has repeatedly stated that Ukraine will soon be admitted to NATO, but the matter is not going further than promises. At the same time, NATO does not accept countries with territorial disputes. An example is Georgia, which has territorial claims to Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Georgia has been trying to become a NATO member for a long time, but the decision on this has been postponed all the time.
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  1. lucul
    lucul 17 February 2021 12: 47
    +17
    Hmm ....
    If a gentleman cannot win by the rules, then the gentleman changes these rules)))
    According to NATO rules, they accept only a country that has no territorial claims to another, and has no conflict on its territory.
    1. alien
      alien 17 February 2021 12: 50
      +3
      Quote: lucul
      By NATO rules

      Laugh
      1. Temples
        Temples 17 February 2021 12: 59
        -19%
        It's time to return to the administrative-territorial system of the Russian Empire.
        To recognize the actions of the Bolsheviks who staged a coup unlawful.

        Ukraine will end as a republic overnight.
        The territories will be Russian again.
        Kazakhov to send the camels to graze.
        Balts in England to wash toilets.
        And further on the list including the Caucasus.

        The borders that exist today are the fruit of the actions of the Bolsheviks.

        The cultists are enjoying themselves.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 February 2021 13: 14
          +13
          Quote: Temples
          The cultists are enjoying themselves.

          yes, you seem to be delighted with your fantasy too laughing
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 17 February 2021 13: 30
            +7
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            You seem to be delighted with your fantasy too

            laughing laughing laughing It's closer to ecstasy ... or trance. fellow wassat
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 17 February 2021 21: 48
              +2
              This is just a shmygal fool, empty wishlist dreams similar to those of "joining the EU." Even such scumbags as NATO will never accept a country "at war with Russia" into the bloc: after admission, you must immediately begin the real war with Russia. Do they need it?
              1. grandfather_Kostya
                grandfather_Kostya 18 February 2021 10: 20
                +3
                a country "at war with Russia"

                Shmyhal indirectly acknowledged the civil war.
              2. victor50
                victor50 18 February 2021 11: 05
                0
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                Even such scumbags as NATO will never accept a country "at war with Russia" into the bloc: after admission, a real war with Russia must be immediately started. Do they need it?

                As soon as they understand what is needed, they will immediately change all their fundamental principles. And it will be when they need to start a war with us. And it is better to prepare for this scenario than to assume that it will never happen.
        2. lucul
          lucul 17 February 2021 13: 17
          +8
          It's time to return to the administrative-territorial system of the Russian Empire.

          For this, Russia had to call itself the legal successor not of the USSR, but of the Russian Empire)))
          1. Temples
            Temples 17 February 2021 13: 57
            -11%
            You could call yourself anyone.
            They say a lot here.
            Someone said that they would not raise the retirement age.
            Someone promised communism in XNUMX.
            Someone promised everyone the Volga.

            Balabol on balabol.

            They keep talking ....

            Meanwhile, the war in Donbass lasts longer than the Great Patriotic War.

            And the boundaries were invented by the Bolsheviks.
            And only the recognition of these borders by today's Russia makes them legitimate.
            Should we abandon the Bolshevik division of our country and the "state" will fall apart like a house of cards.

            It is convenient not to admit the facts. It hurts to deprive yourself of dreams.
            Churches have been destroyed
            God was abandoned.
            No faith.
            There is emptiness in the soul.
            There are only memories of imaginary happiness in a land of unrealizable hopes ruled by idols ..
            This is your whole communism.

            And as it hurts in your side, you squeeze the cross in your hand.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 17 February 2021 16: 26
              +9
              Quote: Temples
              And the boundaries were invented by the Bolsheviks.
              And only the recognition of these borders by today's Russia makes them legitimate.
              Should we abandon the Bolshevik division of our country and the "state" will fall apart like a house of cards.
              Catch the addict!
            2. Bratkov Oleg
              Bratkov Oleg 18 February 2021 08: 30
              +3
              Faith with God and brought the country to the handle. Your unconsciousness, apparently, does not know that even before 1917, the peasants drove priests out of the villages.
              1. boris epstein
                boris epstein 18 February 2021 18: 35
                0
                And faith was conditional, when necessary, they spat on it. I read the book of Petrov-Biryuk "Kondraty Bulavin". First, the Cossack atamans Maksimov, Petrov, Zershchikov, along with the rest KISSED the CROSS on loyalty to Bulavin, and then spit on their oath.
                In a raid on the rear of the Red Army in 1919, the Cossack corps of the White Mamantov and Shkuro successfully robbed not only peasants, but also churches instead of cutting off communications, destroying military depots and smashing small garrisons. Source: AI Denikin, "Sketches of Russian Troubles".
        3. businessv
          businessv 17 February 2021 13: 21
          +6
          Quote: Temples
          The borders that exist today are the fruit of the actions of the Bolsheviks.
          That's right, but then they ruled
          country. The plan is interesting for its result, but unattainable due to the inability of our authorities to pursue a policy in the interests of Russia. smile
          1. Grits
            Grits 17 February 2021 17: 44
            +3
            Quote: businessv
            The plan is interesting for its result, but unattainable due to the inability of our authorities to pursue a policy in the interests of Russia.

            The authorities did not bring the situation in the interests of Russia back in 2008. When she openly pushed to enter Tbilisi with tanks, hang Mr. Saakashili by his personal belongings and put her protege at the head of Georgia. And questions about Georgia’s joining NATO would have disappeared by themselves.
            A similar situation happened in 2014. When the entire South-East of Ukraine lay at our feet and the overwhelming majority of its inhabitants were ready to welcome the Russian troops as their own. But then the authorities did not just piss them off, but literally put them in their pants after the threat of sanctions. Note - not wars, but simply sanctions. Now we have what we have - namely, NATO is not near the Dnieper, but near the border of the Russian Federation - near Voronezh and Kursk.
            1. Igoresha
              Igoresha 17 February 2021 23: 56
              -4
              the henchman would not have lasted long, if he had ever been. Guzins are not Russians with eternal approval
            2. Bratkov Oleg
              Bratkov Oleg 18 February 2021 21: 04
              +1
              In Donetsk, only half were waiting for Russia, and the other half would shoot in the back. The results of voting in Ukraine and Crimea in 1991 will clearly explain everything to you. And now Donetsk doesn’t want to join Ukraine, but it has never really wanted to go to Russia, if we speak for the entire population as a whole.
        4. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 17 February 2021 19: 28
          +3
          Quote: Temples
          It's time to return to the administrative-territorial system of the Russian Empire.
          To recognize the actions of the Bolsheviks who staged a coup unlawful.

          and when did the Bolsheviks manage to destroy the Russian Empire ?!
          by October 25, 1917 there was NO RI
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 18 February 2021 10: 02
            +4
            Do not swear; the boys pass off their illiteracy in terms of knowledge of the History of Russia as patriotism, without even trying to remember that after the February Revolution, the Power, which the temporary Prospect could not keep, was lying in October 17 in the mud and dust on all the roads of the Republic of Ingushetia and the Bolsheviks remained just pick it up, shaking it off slightly.
            And due to the fact that the authorities did not stretch out, but began to use it as it is, and Russia tumbled into the Civil War for many years.
            That's how it was, and if the Bolsheviks had conquered power, then the result could have been completely different (with the experience and skills of managing POWER) ...
    2. credo
      credo 17 February 2021 12: 55
      +25
      Quote: lucul
      Hmm ....
      If a gentleman cannot win according to the rules, then the gentleman changes these rules)))
      According to NATO rules, they accept a country that does not have territorial claims to another, and does not have a conflict on its territory.

      In principle, if NATO deems it necessary to accept Ukraine, then it will of course be accepted with territorial disputes.

      The mantras of domestic experts that something is spelled out in the NATO Charter that is an insurmountable obstacle is self-complacency for one's loved ones and attempts to reason with, for example, such neighbors as Georgia or Ukraine.

      Any charter can be amended as soon as there is a need to change it. It's corny, but it's a simple routine.
      1. aars
        aars 17 February 2021 13: 00
        -2
        But will there be a need for that given the current growth of isolationist tendencies in the United States?
        And the complete impotence of Europe ...
        1. credo
          credo 17 February 2021 13: 15
          +8
          Quote: aars
          But will there be a need for that given the current growth of isolationist tendencies in the United States?
          And the complete impotence of Europe ...

          Yes, the Yankees will easily and naturally hang all the responsibility for maintaining the "pants" of Ukraine just for an impotent man named "Europe", with the obligation to finance Ukraine's expenses for the purchase of NATO (ie, American) weapons for the EU countries.
          They have no moral principles on this score and they do not suffer from conscience.
        2. businessv
          businessv 17 February 2021 13: 22
          +1
          Quote: aars
          But will there be a need for that given the current growth of isolationist tendencies in the United States?
          With Trump gone, trends are gone. smile
          1. aars
            aars 17 February 2021 13: 25
            -1
            Here - I do not agree!
            Trump or not is not that important, the mood of the masses is important.
      2. lucul
        lucul 17 February 2021 13: 12
        +2
        Any charter can be amended as soon as there is a need to change it. It's corny, but it's a simple routine.

        Indeed, why observe some kind of agreement, truce? ))))
        There was a need - we change in our direction)))
        "You are only to blame for the fact that I want to eat. He said and dragged the lamb into the dark forest.")))
        1. credo
          credo 17 February 2021 13: 23
          +1
          Quote: lucul
          Any charter can be amended as soon as there is a need to change it. It's corny, but it's a simple routine.

          Indeed, why observe some kind of agreement, truce? ))))
          There was a need - we change in our direction)))
          "You are only to blame for the fact that I want to eat. He said and dragged the lamb into the dark forest.")))

          Their charter is that they will do what they want, and our interpreters do not order them.
          I hope that our Commander-in-Chief and the General Staff are not building illusions on this score.
          1. Grits
            Grits 17 February 2021 17: 50
            +1
            Quote: credo
            I hope that our Commander-in-Chief and the General Staff are not building illusions on this score.

            Exactly what they are building. And they hope that NATO's internal charter will save us from Ukraine's entry into this organization. Will not save. Every year it will only get worse and worse for us - Georgia and then Ukraine will still be there. The abscess had to be cut out right away, now this abscess near our borders will only grow and every year it will be more difficult to eliminate it. And when they join NATO, we will only have to put up with it.
      3. evgen1221
        evgen1221 17 February 2021 13: 37
        +1
        Yes, yes it is corrected if really necessary. Balt example to help. Those, too, still hit our lands with mouths and the sea, but the first ones flew into nature for the Baltic, all the cases. What prevents the Sumerians from taking?
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 17 February 2021 14: 38
        +25
        Quote: credo
        In principle, if NATO deems it necessary to accept Ukraine, then it will of course be accepted with territorial disputes.

        The point is that you can be in NATO de facto and de jure. Even without de jure Ukraine is de facto on its way to NATO:
        in 2020, for example, the Armed Forces of Ukraine underwent a reorganization of command structures according to the NATO J-structure (from the term Joint, that is, united);
        deliveries of special-purpose IT equipment designed by the Ministry of Defense and for all other significant military facilities of the country are going to Kiev;
        in the Nikolaev region, under the leadership of the Amerkins, exercises of army units are repeatedly conducted together with border guards and the National Guard;
        America carries out direct supplies of weapons, for example, the same FGM-148E - the latest modification of ammunition for the Javelin ATGM, military boats, anti-ship missiles;
        a NATO base already exists in Ochakov, a similar base is being built in Mariupol;
        airfields of Ukraine are freely used by NATO aviation - just remember the B-52 overflights in the coincidence of Ukrainian fighters from the Volyn region towards the Crimea
        and many, many other examples.
        While many experts really claim that "Ukraine will not be accepted into NATO" because of territorial disputes, in fact everything is going as it is.
        The latter - in the House of Representatives of the US Congress presented a bill on the possibility of granting Ukraine the status of the main US ally outside NATO for the period from the date of entry of this document into force until the entry of our state into the North Atlantic Alliance.
        And none of the Americans will fight for Ukraine - everything is true, but because the younger generation of Ukrainians is growing up, who is ready to do this.
        1. ximkim
          ximkim 17 February 2021 17: 51
          +1
          He will be an ally, but not a member soon. Investments and investments are still being made in Ukraine, plus NATO is also in a hurry with its rule. The situation is such - the alliance is pushing Ukraine into the swamp, then pulling it out of the swamp.
      5. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 17 February 2021 17: 54
        0
        Quote: credo
        In principle, if NATO deems it necessary to admit Ukraine, then it will of course be accepted with territorial disputes.
        The mantras of domestic experts that something is spelled out in the NATO Charter that is an insurmountable obstacle is self-complacency for one's loved ones and attempts to reason with, for example, such neighbors as Georgia or Ukraine.
        This is controversial. What Ukraine wants to join NATO does not mean that NATO wants to see Ukraine in its composition. NATO is quite satisfied with the fact that Ukraine is in the status of a "priority" partner, which allows using this partner both "in the tail and in the mane" while using its resources and territory without burdening itself with obligations.
        Quote: credo
        Any charter can be amended as soon as there is a need to change it. It's corny, but it's a simple routine.

        Adjusted for one country? To amend the charter, the consent of all 30 states in the bloc is required. Considering that Ukraine has a lot of problems with neighbors on an ethnic basis, expressed in the infringement of national minorities based on language (Hungary, Romania, Poland), it is unlikely that they will agree to changes until Ukraine repeals the language law. Considering the fact that the same countries with "some GREAT interest" are looking at the border areas where national minorities live compactly, in the future the question may arise either about their autonomy, or about the inclusion of these territories in their composition, which will hinder the bloc status of Ukraine. So the status of "partner", which performs the function of a carrot hanging in front of the muzzle of a donkey, suits NATO quite well, but for Ukraine it is "above the roof".
      6. Kisa
        Kisa 17 February 2021 20: 12
        +1
        Quote: credo
        if NATO deems it necessary to admit Ukraine

        in its current status, Ukraine is perfectly satisfied with the alliance to be at the forefront of the confrontation. why take them somewhere, puzzling yourself with additional responsibility.
        if suddenly the pendulum swings back and the Kremlin starts a game and Boyko and the opposition bloc will become real precursors only then there will be rich financial injections and all kinds of alliance blocs, but for now everything works there and so without financial costs for the hatred of Ukrainians towards Russians (85% in Russian-speaking) and this is mutual and for a long time
      7. three
        three 18 February 2021 12: 49
        0
        Ukraine in NATO .... It is unlikely. One thing is to destroy the aboriginal country, plunder it and make it pay for everything and everyone, and quite another thing is to give the aborigines weapons and take public responsibility for their barbaric unpredictable actions ... The rodents have already shown everything , the result for Nata is zero, plus the impoverishment of rodents is futile from the point. in terms of arms purchases, payments, etc. Closeness to Russia? There are Balts. And if you set them on, they will set the Ukrainian beggars at least tomorrow, remaining "clean" ...
      8. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 22 February 2021 12: 23
        0
        Quote: credo
        In principle, if NATO deems it necessary to accept Ukraine, then it will of course be accepted with territorial disputes.

        And there, isn't unanimous consent required? Will some kind of Montenegro stand across? It's a question, if anything ...
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 February 2021 13: 14
      +1
      Quote: lucul
      According to NATO rules, they accept only a country that has no territorial claims to another, and has no conflict on its territory.

      when they play on their own field, then their own rules are established
    4. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 17 February 2021 13: 16
      +7
      Quote: lucul
      If a gentleman cannot win by the rules, then the gentleman changes those rules. repeat According to NATO rules, they accept only a country that has no territorial claims to another, and has no conflict on its territory.

      Simple and tasteful, but we have examples of the Baltic states, although they were simply dragged into nature. The "green whistle" will be when NATO representatives speak in the same way - no one is interested in the country's 404 opinion
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 17 February 2021 13: 33
        +4
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        "Green whistle" will be when NATO representatives speak in the same way

        The representatives there are different, and the reception requires unanimity - the same Hungarians are no longer inferior in spite of the assurances of some, now they will order them too ... (https://topwar.ru/165464-vengrija-poobeschala-ne-puskat-ukrainu -v-nato.html) ... so that in addition to the standards, some representatives will also require their own conditions to be met (the same Poles, Romanians)
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 17 February 2021 13: 55
          +4
          Quote: BrTurin
          in addition to standards, some representatives will demand fulfillment of their own conditions (the same Poles, Romanians)

          Lovely scold .., the main thing is not to interfere with them and let's hope for the obstinacy of the Poles, Romanians, Hungarians ... although request
    5. Finches
      Finches 17 February 2021 13: 26
      0
      The Charter of the North Atlantic Alliance is written in black and white - that it is forbidden to admit countries with an armed conflict on its territory to NATO. And Kuleba can settle in the anus of Mr. Stoltenberg, but the matter will not move beyond political statements about the imminent entry of Ukraine into NATO! Many Ukrainians, especially narrow-minded marginals of the Western region, are confident that joining NATO will automatically return Crimea to them, but this is absolute stupidity, and NATO will not enter into an armed conflict with Russia over Crimea - they have already closed this issue for themselves ... For a long time and everything is clear that the United States and the Alliance are using Ukraine for their own purposes, feeding Kiev with the hope of joining NATO and, indeed, the example of Georgia is extremely indicative, but apparently the Ukrainian society does not even have enough brains to appreciate it! However, if you look at it from a pragmatic point of view, I will earn billions of dollars for the rearmament of the Armed Forces, both the American military-industrial complex and the thieving Ukrainian elite - the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not become stronger from this, but how many pretentious speeches there will be about parades on Red Square and in Sevastopol! laughing
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 17 February 2021 13: 43
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        .. for an adequate person

        Those in the "office of the president ze" that something is not observed
    6. Cube123
      Cube123 17 February 2021 16: 32
      +1
      Quote: lucul
      According to NATO rules, only the country is accepted, having no territorial claims to another , and has no conflict on its territory.

      In order to avoid territorial claims, it is necessary Ukraine to recognize Crimea as Russian laughing
    7. Clear
      Clear 17 February 2021 20: 16
      +4
      The conflict in Donbass is not an obstacle to Ukraine's entry into NATO.

      Why would NATO accept you into its bloc? You and so all his requirements unconditionally fulfill.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 18 February 2021 08: 32
        0
        You and so all his requirements unconditionally fulfill ... and what is more, and in debt, and so with a membership with here you will get a piece, ...
        1. Clear
          Clear 18 February 2021 18: 48
          +4
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          You and so all his requirements unconditionally fulfill ... and what is more, and in debt, and so with a membership with here you will get a piece, ...

          Yes, a piece is not a pity No. ... They, with their adventures, will drag all NATU into a good "batch".
          In NATO, although most of the "hawks", but not the id.iots.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 February 2021 12: 49
    +3
    Literally tomorrow ... we'll just switch to NATO standards ... So, Vanguyu - yes, never ... Well, the Germans will not go anywhere to die for the Ukrainians ...
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 17 February 2021 13: 18
      0
      Not only Germans, even Romanians won't! If Ukrainians themselves do not want to die for themselves, then who will agree for them. They can't even buy a vaccine for themselves. Pfizer and Astrazeneka rubbed their lips and so far refused to supply. They ran to the Chinese, so they, remembering the Ukrainian scam, gave them Koronavak with an efficiency of 55% at the price of the world's best vaccines. Skakuas because of the "allergy" to the Russian vaccine were ready to buy this shit and even paid an advance payment, so the minke whales were alarmed - why is it suddenly a "strategic partner" ( lol ) went to competitors. And the delivery from China was covered with a copper basin. And now Dr. Death's successor complains that such a situation will lead to dire consequences - "opening the way for the delivery of Russian" Sputnik V "to the country. repeat
  3. svp67
    svp67 17 February 2021 12: 50
    +8
    After the words of the head of NATO about the readiness to militarily oppose Russia, you are no longer surprised at anything ...
    1. alien
      alien 17 February 2021 14: 02
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      After the words of the head of NATO about the readiness to militarily oppose Russia, you are no longer surprised.

      Yes, it's like wondering why Hitler attacked Poland. The main NATO member pumps oil in Syria without any rules, but here they talk about the rules ...
  4. atos_kin
    atos_kin 17 February 2021 12: 52
    0
    The sooner it enters, the sooner a fur animal will enter NATO. They understand this and will imitate the introduction to the last.
  5. Berg berg
    Berg berg 17 February 2021 12: 53
    +9
    As soon as Ukraine is ready to join NATO, Russia will immediately recognize the entire territory of Novorossia within its historical borders as independent. After that, it will immediately fulfill the demands of the people of Novorossia and introduce its troops along its entire border.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 February 2021 13: 22
      -3
      Quote: Berg Berg
      Russia immediately recognizes the entire territory of Novorossiya within its historical borders as independent.

      it is in what "historical boundaries"?
      1. Berg berg
        Berg berg 17 February 2021 13: 33
        +1
        Look at those in the internet there everything is about 70% of the territory!
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 February 2021 13: 40
          -6
          Well, someone's hands are itching to paint a contour map - there is time, there are markers, the orderlies are watching TV. And what about the history of this work of the mentally ill?
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 17 February 2021 14: 36
          -3
          No, Ukraine must be returned in its entirety, like the illegally seized territory of the USSR. Legally, it did not disintegrate.
          1. Grits
            Grits 17 February 2021 18: 00
            +2
            Quote: Herman 4223
            No, Ukraine must be returned in its entirety, like the illegally seized territory of the USSR. Legally, it did not disintegrate.

            What do you propose to do with those who ride in Lutsk or Lviv? Hang, expel to Poland or feed for free? No thanks - I prefer the map above.
            1. Dude
              Dude 18 February 2021 03: 55
              +1
              What do you propose to do with those who ride in Lutsk or Lviv? Hang, expel to Poland or feed for free?
              Why feed for free? If they want to eat, they will start working.
            2. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 18 February 2021 11: 57
              +1
              These are their problems. Let them do what they want, the main thing is that according to the law. And if not, then there will be a place in Siberia.
          2. Clear
            Clear 17 February 2021 20: 21
            +3
            Quote: Herman 4223
            No, Ukraine needs to be returned entirely,

            So trouble with her later what
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 18 February 2021 11: 55
              0
              Did they tell you this on TV?
              I think Goebbels' radio would give something like that too. And maybe it gave out, I don't know for sure.
              1. Clear
                Clear 18 February 2021 19: 05
                +4
                Quote: Herman 4223
                I think Goebbels' radio would give something like that too. And maybe it gave out, I don't know for sure.

                I didn’t understand either. What are you about?
                1. Herman 4223
                  Herman 4223 19 February 2021 10: 50
                  +2
                  I'm talking about an informational picture of what is happening.
                  First, you were told on TV that Ukraine and all the other republics of the USSR are now not your territory. It is not clear on what basis, because legally this is not the case. There was no procedure for leaving the union. Then you got a picture that there are only enemies, and there is a lot of trouble with them.
                  It's not just that, television lives at the expense of advertisers. Advertisers are mostly of Western origin. And whoever pays is the one who calls the tune.
                  1. Clear
                    Clear 20 February 2021 12: 18
                    +6
                    Quote: Herman 4223
                    I'm talking about an informational picture of what is happening.
                    First, you were told on TV that Ukraine and all the other republics of the USSR are now not your territory. It is not clear on what basis, because legally this is not the case. There was no procedure for leaving the union. Then you got a picture that there are only enemies, and there is a lot of trouble with them.
                    It's not just that, television lives at the expense of advertisers. Advertisers are mostly of Western origin. And whoever pays is the one who calls the tune.

                    Most likely it is.
    2. Grits
      Grits 17 February 2021 17: 56
      +1
      Quote: Berg Berg
      As soon as Ukraine is ready to join NATO, Russia will immediately recognize the entire territory of Novorossia within its historical borders as independent. After that it will immediately fulfill the demands of the people of Novorossia and will introduce its troops along its entire border.

      Your words, yes to God in the ears. But the experience of the past recent years suggests that our government is afraid of tough actions to trembling knees and will never do that.
  6. Alien From
    Alien From 17 February 2021 12: 54
    +1
    This comrade is distinguished by intelligence and ingenuity)
  7. Doccor18
    Doccor18 17 February 2021 12: 56
    +1
    ... countries with territorial disputes are not accepted into NATO. Georgia can be cited as an example ...

    Georgia is not Ukraine ... To seize "such" a bridgehead and deploy its troops on it (legally and for an unlimited time), NATO can go for an "exception to the rule" ...
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 17 February 2021 18: 01
      +1
      And why should they accept Ukraine into NATO? They are the masters there, and they will say and do it. And having accepted them, at least formally, they will have to be defended, why does NATO need this crap? Rabams have no place in a European home, they have a place in a stable. They'll die, and it's not a pity.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 17 February 2021 20: 55
        0
        By accepting a country into NATO, the Americans will legally be able to build military facilities there (up to stationary long-range radars and missile-interceptors), flood the country with their units. And Russia cannot even say anything in response. Everything is according to the law ...
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 February 2021 12: 57
    +4
    The desires of the Ukrainian "elite" have long exceeded their capabilities, but they still try to talk about the same thing every day. We will carry out a complete de-Russification and then we will heal, for the sake of the United States and the EU we will lie down with bones in the Donbass and then we will live, we will switch to NATO standards and then we will definitely heal ... and so on ad infinitum. By and large, why should the United States bother with the admission of Ukraine to NATO when they are already there.
    1. lucul
      lucul 17 February 2021 13: 15
      +4
      The desires of the Ukrainian "elite" have long exceeded their capabilities, but they still try to talk about the same thing every day. We will carry out a complete de-Russification and then we will heal, for the sake of the United States and the EU we will lie down with bones in the Donbass and then we will live, we will switch to NATO standards and then we will definitely heal ... and so on ad infinitum. By and large, why should the United States bother with the admission of Ukraine to NATO when they are already there.

      So - a carrot in front of a donkey's nose. Simple manipulation, in its purest form.
      1. Clear
        Clear 17 February 2021 20: 25
        +5
        Quote: lucul
        The desires of the Ukrainian "elite" have long exceeded their capabilities, but they still try to talk about the same thing every day. We will carry out a complete de-Russification and then we will heal, for the sake of the United States and the EU we will lie down with bones in the Donbass and then we will live, we will switch to NATO standards and then we will definitely heal ... and so on ad infinitum. By and large, why should the United States bother with the admission of Ukraine to NATO when they are already there.

        So - a carrot in front of a donkey's nose. Simple manipulation, in its purest form.

        So NATO has already invented for Ukraine - NATO Enhanced Opportunities Partner status... Then he will come up with a status - a senior partner, then a main partner ...
        Bred like suckers. Ah, these rejoice like ... crazy
        1. lucul
          lucul 17 February 2021 20: 27
          0
          Bred like suckers. Ah, these rejoice like ... crazy

          This is what awaits us ... enough oppam to come to power ...
          1. Clear
            Clear 17 February 2021 20: 29
            +4
            Quote: lucul
            Bred like suckers. Ah, these rejoice like ... crazy

            This is what awaits us ... enough oppam to come to power ...

            Well, Vitaly, say the same ... With such a mood ... what It is necessary to be more optimistic and harder yes
            1. lucul
              lucul 17 February 2021 20: 33
              +3
              Well, Vitaly, say the same ... With such a mood ... what More optimistic and poignant yes

              This is one of the options for the development of events, and so I am an optimist, yes)))
              1. Clear
                Clear 17 February 2021 20: 35
                +5
                Quote: lucul
                and so I'm an optimist, yes)))

                Moreover, you have such a beautiful avatar yes
                1. lucul
                  lucul 17 February 2021 20: 38
                  +2
                  It's just an avatar, although when I smile, there is a certain similarity.
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 February 2021 12: 59
    +3
    NATO soldiers are ready to die for Ukraine! The whole world is with us! We have already heard that. More likely, NATO will fight with us to the last Ukrainian! It is not sad, but this is NATO's dream.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 February 2021 13: 19
      +4
      Quote: tralflot1832
      NATO soldiers are ready to die for Ukraine!

      And the Sumerian soldiers themselves are ready to die for some unknown reason?
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 February 2021 13: 42
        -1
        In general, is anyone going to die for something?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 17 February 2021 13: 53
          -1
          And why do they climb into Nat?
          Where hasn’t Nata ever fought for zashtatnikov?
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 February 2021 14: 09
            -1
            Quote: Lipchanin
            And why do they climb into Nat?

            and where should they go? In the CSTO?
  10. Runway
    Runway 17 February 2021 12: 59
    +1
    The head of the Ukrainian government expressed his subjective point of view. In Brussels they were slightly surprised, kmk. There, of course, those are still "hawks", but not.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 February 2021 13: 55
      0
      Quote: WFP
      Brussels was a little surprised

  11. HAM
    HAM 17 February 2021 13: 01
    0
    How much the Kuevo rulers want to join the EU, then NATO .... but for now it turns out ... not there .... well, I really want to fight instead of the Europeans somewhere .... And these spat on "NATO rules" can be accepted as meat .... very much against Russia.
    1. No name B
      No name B 17 February 2021 13: 13
      0
      Joining NATO is a desire to protect oneself from the appearance of another Novorossiya, Little Russia and other Russias. Russia is interested in frozen conflicts on its borders so that the former republics do not finally leave its sphere of influence. Since there is no sensible idea other than the Russian world, it is quite natural to live according to European standards, and not according to the laws of the oligarchs, both Ukrainian and Russian.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 February 2021 13: 29
      +1
      Quote: HAM
      How do the Kuevo rulers want to join somewhere-


      1. A.TOR
        A.TOR 17 February 2021 14: 37
        -2
        Today is the age of the Internet.
        Anyone interested can read what you have written.
        It is rather strange to expect that people in the countries you mentioned will treat you and Russia in your person well (or at least neutral).
  12. Cowbra
    Cowbra 17 February 2021 13: 06
    +1
    Guys. Brakes - and so evil, and even without a snack ...
    In NATO, in general, they know that because of the impoverished Kholopia they have to rewrite the entire charter? Or is NATO eager to die in the Donbas?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 February 2021 13: 56
      0
      Quote: Cowbra
      Or is NATO eager to die in the Donbas?

      There would be a desire, they have long ago entered
  13. kit88
    kit88 17 February 2021 13: 07
    +9
    As soon as Ukraine is ready to confirm the full transition, the question of joining NATO will immediately arise

    I wonder who told him that? Or he invented at his leisure, aggravating the vodka?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 February 2021 13: 59
      +2
      Quote: kit88
      As soon as Ukraine is ready to confirm the full transition,

      Yes, one nation was led across the desert for 40 years.
      But it was a long time ago.
      Ukraine will be led on a leash longer
  14. Vladimir Anatolyevich
    Vladimir Anatolyevich 17 February 2021 13: 09
    +4
    In turn su .. us children, in turn! (c) ..... For the Turks, Georgians and others flawed.
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    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 13: 40
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir Anatolyevich
      In turn su .. us children, in turn! (c) ..... For the Turks, Georgians and others flawed.

      Turkey has been in here for a long time. And that the problems with the borders do not bother her.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 February 2021 14: 02
      0
      Quote: Vladimir Anatolyevich
      For Turks, Georgians and the rest of the flawed

      But they do not consider themselves that way, the oldest tribe on the planet laughing
  15. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 17 February 2021 13: 16
    +4
    There is a wonderful Ukrainian proverb: "Fool, dumkoyu bagatiє")))))
  16. Andrea
    Andrea 17 February 2021 13: 19
    0
    As the cancer whistles, after the rain on Thursday.
    Is the conflict in Donbass not an obstacle? Yes, you are at war with Russia with might and main! Now imagine: NATO for no reason, no reason, together with Ukraine, is plunged into a war ?! laughing Is it necessary for NATE?
    It looks like he keeps his fellow citizens completely for the Bilov, but maybe it is so, if they believe.
    And the transition to NATO standards will take about 50 years, for this the dough should not be measured. There, either the padishah will die, or the donkey. I mean, either Ukraine will be covered with a bowl, or NATO.
  17. Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 17 February 2021 13: 21
    -4
    Quote: Vladimir Anatolyevich
    In turn su .. us children, in turn! (c) ..... For the Turks, Georgians and others flawed.

    Only the flawed can think so about the Turks, I think that they are not in NATO.
    They've been there for a long time ..
    1. Vladimir Anatolyevich
      Vladimir Anatolyevich 17 February 2021 13: 40
      -2
      You are certainly right about Turkey's membership. The essence of my opinion is not in the Turks in NATO or not (in the EU, for example, they have also been in the hallway for a long time), but in the flawed position of the Ukrainian leadership. And in vain you are rude to a complete stranger.
      1. Emil mamedoff
        Emil mamedoff 17 February 2021 14: 04
        -3
        And you knowingly rude the word "Damaged" to the Turks?
  18. businessv
    businessv 17 February 2021 13: 23
    0
    Quote: Berg Berg
    After that, it will immediately fulfill the requirements of the people of Novorossia and will introduce its troops along its entire border.

    Unfortunately, our current leadership is not capable of such a step!
  19. bar
    bar 17 February 2021 13: 47
    +1
    Conflict in Donbass is not an obstacle to Ukraine's joining NATO

    Does NATO know about this?
    z'isti then vin z'ist, that who would give you
    Of course, there are a lot of vigorous scumbags in the NATO leadership, but they are hardly as inadequate as the 404 leadership.
  20. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 17 February 2021 13: 48
    0
    And NATO was asked about the imminent entry of Ukraine into NATO?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 February 2021 14: 03
      +2
      Quote: mojohed2012
      And NATO was asked about the imminent entry of Ukraine into NATO?

      Suyurpraaayz laughing
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 17 February 2021 15: 23
        0
        Do the Hungarians agree to such an action?
  21. cheburator
    cheburator 17 February 2021 14: 26
    0
    Join soon, just shit!
  22. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 17 February 2021 14: 31
    0
    Can a sheep become part of a pack of wolves? Join their club and be on an equal footing with them?
    A sheep can enter a pack of wolves only through their mouth and then exit through one place.
  23. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 17 February 2021 15: 12
    +1
    in Kiev called the timing of Ukraine's entry into NATO


    Do NATO members know about this?))
  24. pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru 17 February 2021 15: 13
    +2
    UKRAINE: let us join NATO, and NATO will recapture Crimea and Donbass for us.
    NATO: we will beckon Ukraine with the prospect of joining NATO, we will give (for money, loans) some kind of weapon - let it be a thorn in Russia.
    UKRAINE: we will join the EEC, there will be salaries and pensions as in Europe, we will go to Vienna to drink coffee and all in lace panties.
    EEC: let's give Ukraine an "association", let them come to us to wash the toilets.
  25. Gregory Charnota
    Gregory Charnota 17 February 2021 20: 01
    0
    come into the manure! but decent organizations accept!
  26. Radius
    Radius 17 February 2021 20: 37
    0
    In Kiev, so many different terms have already been called on various occasions that they lost count ... At least they did something?
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 18 February 2021 11: 10
      +1
      It was said by some Shmygal. Shmyhal is the Prime Minister of Ukraine. He also has a certificate.
  27. svoit
    svoit 17 February 2021 22: 59
    0
    Quote: Gritsa
    put his protege at the head of Georgia

    Such things cannot be solved from the box, for this it is necessary to prepare for more than one year, and there was time and opportunity, but there was no desire.
  28. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 18 February 2021 01: 40
    +2
    Only first Kiev -Mother of Russian cities, give Russia! And join wherever you want! There is Little Russia, Russian land! And the Ukrainians (who are they? There are Ukrainians) do not have their land!
  29. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 18 February 2021 11: 08
    +2
    Even the Hungarians (NATO members) did not have their say. Perhaps the Hungarians will agree with the presence of Ukria in NATO, but only after Transcarpathia becomes part of Hungary.
  30. Prisoner
    Prisoner 18 February 2021 18: 17
    0
    The usual mantra of the Ukrainian "elite", which has nothing to do with reality. "People hawala" and okay. But ordinary people do not seem to care about the ECC and the NATU.
  31. KoT
    KoT 18 February 2021 23: 28
    0
    According to him, to demonstrate the adherence of the Ukrainian army to NATO standards, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already planned several major exercises with Ukraine's allies and partners. - the meat is planned, as in 41 straight, the bridgehead is being prepared))
  32. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 19 February 2021 02: 34
    0
    The Americans again want to solve their crisis with a war in Europe! And they will fight, until the last Bandera, but not for long! Here!