General Director of "Yantar": New BDK project 11711 received an increased displacement

The second pair of Project 11711 BDK, which is being built at the Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad, will have a larger displacement and landing capacity. This was stated by the general director of Yantar Ilya Samarin.

The second pair of the large landing craft "Vladimir Andreev" and "Vasily Trushin" was laid down on the "Yantar" according to the modernized project 11711. Compared to the first ships of the project, the new large landing ships have an approximately 40% increased displacement, which in turn implies a greater landing capacity of these ships ... The transfer to the Navy is scheduled for 2023-2024.

The third and fourth ships of this project are now under construction, the deadline is 2023-2024

- leads "RIA News" Samarin's words

He explained that in the course of changing the project, the displacement of the new large landing ships was increased by 30-40%, they have a slightly different layout and superstructure, a larger helicopter deck, there are two hangars for the simultaneous basing of two helicopters. He did not give other details of the modernized project 11711.

Currently, the Russian Navy has two Project 11711 BDKs - the head Ivan Gren and the first serial Pyotr Morgunov. Both ships became part of the Northern fleet... They have a displacement of 5 thousand tons and a landing capacity of 13 tanks or 300 marines.

Earlier it was reported that the third and fourth large landing ships will have a displacement of 6-7 thousand tons.

Comments

[Paul zewike]

Nice ship!

[Mavrikiy]

New BDK project 11711 received an increased displacement

the new large landing ships by about by 40% increased displacement,

Write in Russian: "BDK of the new project!"

[antivirus]

Again, they do not build an AV of 100 VI. Stormot.

[Ugochaves]

You swim fine. Let's just talk about the "Death Star", the groans will be much more epic

[Alexey RA]

Quote: antivirus

Again, they do not build an AV of 100 VI. Stormot.

Nothing, but another long-standing tradition of our Navy has been observed - "ships of the same project must be different!".

[antivirus]

Thought runs ahead of industrial and financial discipline.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Alexey RA

Nothing, but another long-standing tradition of our Navy has been observed - "ships of the same project must be different!"

The project is not a dogma, but a general recommendation))

[Doccor18]

The second pair of BDK ... was laid down at Yantar according to the modernized project

How many projects, beautiful and different, and they all methodically kill the "serial" ...

[Marconi41]

And there are only two helicopters. UNDOUDK. A project from the past cannot satisfy our Navy of the present.

[22 dmdc]

And there are only two helicopters. UNDOUDK. A project from the past cannot satisfy our Navy of the present. This is a BDK! Another subclass of landing ships. Read our doctrine. We are not going to conquer the Papuans yet. Likewise, sheds like "Mistral" are of no use to us either.

[Marconi41]

Quote: 22 dmdc

Likewise, sheds like "Mistral" are of no use to us either.

These "sheds" can cover their troops with their helicopters. And what can BDK do?

[lucul]

These "sheds" can cover their troops with their helicopters

Helicopters can fly where there is no normal air defense. And if the defense is normal, then the ships will not even approach the coast.

[Doccor18]

Quote: lucul

These "sheds" can cover their troops with their helicopters

Helicopters can fly where there is no normal air defense. And if the defense is normal, then the ships will not even approach the coast.

The whole point is that the UDC does not need to approach the shore ...
And breaking through air defense is not at all the task of the Marine Corps.

[lucul]

And breaking through air defense is not at all the task of the Marine Corps.

Well, if there is nothing to break through the air defense, then the UDC is not needed)))

[Doccor18]

Why is there nothing to break through the air defense?

[lucul]

Why is there nothing to break through the air defense?

Are many countries capable of breaking through Russian air defenses? )))

[Doccor18]

And where does Russia?
For our country, landing operations from the sea are not so relevant and will not be decisive in a hypothetical military conflict.
This is possible only on the Far Eastern borders (Kuriles / Kamchatka). And impenetrable air defense does not exist ...

[lucul]

This is possible only at the Far Eastern borders.

So it is much cheaper to invade the country from the neighboring territory than to land on the coast from the sea.

[Doccor18]

Конечно.
But there are island countries and continental countries. And it also happens that no one will allow you to invade from land, for example, the "allies" will not allow ...

[lucul]

Конечно.
But there are island countries and continental countries.

That is why UDC are good at chasing only Papuans.

And it also happens that no one will allow you to invade from land, for example, the "allies" will not allow ...

As practice shows, these are only exceptions to the rules, and not the rule itself.

[Doccor18]

Quote: lucul

That is why UDCs are good at chasing only Papuans

40 helicopters, 1500 soldiers and 50 armored vehicles - this is an argument ... and not only for the "Papuans"

Quote: lucul

As practice shows, these are only exceptions to the rules, and not the rule itself

Syria...

[lucul]

40 helicopters, 1500 soldiers and 50 armored vehicles - this is an argument ... and not only for the "Papuans"

If, as in the West they are used to operating with the scale of the formation at the level of a company, an invasion battalion, then yes. And if at the army level, then no.

[Doccor18]

Quote: lucul

And if at the army level, then no

The times when millions of soldiers and thousands of armored vehicles converged in battle are gone forever ...
The standard modern (fleeting) conflict now looks more like a fight between two divisions, maximum two corps ...

[lucul]

The times when millions of soldiers and thousands of armored vehicles converged in battle are gone forever ...
The standard modern (fleeting) conflict now looks more like a fight between two divisions, maximum two corps ...

Nude ...

[Ugochaves]

Forgive me of course for interfering, but with whom are you going to fight armies?

[lucul]

And in 1992, 1996, 1997 and 1998, mortality rates were much better than now.

If there has not been a war in the last 20 years, this does not mean that it will not exist in principle.

[lucul]

And in 1992, 1996, 1997 and 1998, mortality rates were much better than now.

If there has not been a war in the last 20 years, this does not mean that it will not exist in principle.

I inserted it wrong)))
Had

Forgive me of course for interfering, but with whom are you going to fight armies?

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Doccor18

Syria...

an example of a country that already has its own base / PMTO is not entirely honest !!!

Quote: Doccor18

40 helicopters, 1500 soldiers and 50 armored vehicles - this is the argument ..... and not only for the "Papuans"

Not at UDC, As well as two-three BDK, approach with impunity for landing troops without covering them with a group of four (minimum) frigates or EM, nailed on the coast air defense cruise missiles, nearby airfields, and artillery (!!), equally will not be able to !!!
Be honest ? !! Helicopters are not a panacea (!), help for additional suppression of the remaining firing points, - yes (!)but nothing more !!!
Not that for landing in Turkey or Japan (!)..., even in Yemen, when the situation worsens, - a lonely UDC or BDK just might not reach !!!

[Doccor18]

Quote: Nemchinov Vl

an example of a country that already has its own base / PMTO is not entirely honest

She did not immediately appear there ...
On the contrary, Syria is a very telling example. Not an island, but you can't approach by land, there are only "partners" around ...
The Syrian Express was supposed to work to its fullest.

Quote: Nemchinov Vl

... a lonely UDC [/ b] or BDK just might not reach !!!

Why does the UDC alone have to reach ...? Break through ...
UDC is, in fact, a huge floating barracks (high-tech) with aircraft reinforcement. The UDC should not break through anywhere, this is not a battleship. Its task is to land a marine battalion as quickly and efficiently as possible. All.
I wrote above that even attack helicopters will have to suppress already separate pockets of resistance that survived after a massive missile and bomb attack by the Navy / Air Force.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Doccor18

She did not immediately appear there ...

she was there since the times of the USSR (!) (of course in the most "shriveled form", up to hundreds of employees... BUT was !!). And after signing the relevant agreements (on lease for 49 years), has grown again to its former size (!), and turned into a real and fully updated database.
Agree, dear Alexander, that landing on the pier, in actually already own port, - this is completely different than on the shores of a hostile and militant state (to an unprepared coast, instead of a port, and with all kinds of resistance) ? !!... I tell you exactly about this difference (!)...

Quote: Doccor18

On the contrary, Syria is a very telling example. Not an island, but you can't approach by land, there are only "partners" around ...

but from this point of view (geographical location of the BASE), I was not going to argue with you.

Quote: Doccor18

The Syrian Express was supposed to work to its fullest.

so he was able to work, only because, in fact, acted ALREADY through YOUR base fleet (!!!). where it was no longer necessary to suppress, -

Quote: Doccor18

already separate pockets of resistance,

[Ugochaves]

If not allowed from land, then from the sea, even more so

[Doccor18]

Quote: UgoChaves

If not allowed from land, then from the sea, even more so

It depends on what goals are set ...

[Dkuznecov]

And someone needs to break through?
A joke about the elusive Joe.
It's much easier to buy elites
and this has already been done.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: lucul

And if the defense is normal, then the ships will not even approach the coast.

If the defense is normal, then the BDK, along with the landing force, will lie on the bottom even before the landing.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Marconi41

These "sheds" can cover their troops with their helicopters. And what can BDK do?

I will reveal a military secret: the large landing craft can transport their powerful troops with amplification means.
Although no one has fought for a long time without air support, even the barmaley use UAVs.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Marconi41

Quote: 22 dmdc

Likewise, sheds like "Mistral" are of no use to us either.

These "sheds" can cover their troops with their helicopters. And what can BDK do?

Yes, rather not to cover, but to ensure a quick landing (transport) and clean up the coast from what was left after the CD / IS (shock).

[Ugochaves]

You know, there is such a saying - "Caesar-Caesar, and locksmith-locksmith". Everyone should do the job that is due to him.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Marconi41

These "sheds" can cover their troops with their helicopters. And what can BDK do?

A couple of fighters will come from the shore, knock down the turntables with distant missiles, and then they will deal with that small fry that floats on the water. Whether it is the case when a huge fool rested right on the shore, covering his landing with artillery, and unloading the equipment along the ramp immediately into its native element (on the ground), moreover, one that was not able to swim from birth (for example, tanks)

[Eldorado]

These are not UDC or BDK, but dock ships. Ships of such projects are part of the US Navy, China, India, the Netherlands and other countries.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: 22 dmdc

Likewise, sheds like "Mistral" are of no use to us either.

However, they are already being built in Kerch. I know?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: 22 dmdc

Likewise, sheds like "Mistral" are of no use to us either.

Serdyukov twitched nervously ...

[Temples]

Quote: Marconi41

A project from the past cannot satisfy our Navy

The ship is not a whore that satisfies.
His task is to deliver cargo and move the troops.

[Kart]

He writes from an alternative country. Everything is bad there and nobody satisfies anyone.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Temples

His task is to deliver cargo and move the troops.

Move loads? Is this the task of the BDK? Oh well.

[Ugochaves]

Your opponents mean the military, don't you get it? Or will you be lucky with their dry cargo ship?

[Marconi41]

Quote: UgoChaves

Your opponents mean the military, don't you get it? Or will you be lucky with their dry cargo ship?

Yes, a military dry cargo ship. As is done in other countries. And we also have transport under the military flag.

[The Dragon]

"And there are only two helicopters." I bring to your attention that 4 helicopters will be based on the large landing craft, and what you saw on the deck of 2 pieces means only that only 2 can take off from it at the same time.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Serpent Gorynych

"And there are only two helicopters." I bring to your attention that 4 helicopters will be based on the large landing craft, and what you saw on the deck of 2 pieces means only that only 2 can take off from it at the same time.

From the article:

they have a slightly different layout and superstructure, a larger helicopter deck, and two hangars for the simultaneous basing of two helicopters.

[Eldorado]

Two helicopters in the hangar, 2 helicopters on the take-off sites. Total: 4.

[Marconi41]

Quote: El Dorado

Two helicopters in the hangar, 2 helicopters on the take-off sites. Total: 4.

It is a crime to keep helicopters when crossing open helipads!

[donavi49]

Well, then the cruiser Moscow also carries 2 helicopters and a corvette 20380, and even a patrol ship 22160. Only this is not. How many places in the hangar - so many permanent bases. Gren 1, new Gren 2. Overload, sea transport of helicopters, shuttle - this is a different story, again, if it squeezes, the same frigate 11356 can drag the Mi-8/24/35 to Syria / Libya / Sudan on itself.

[lucul]

From the article:

There are two helicopters in one hangar and two helicopters in the second))))

[Marconi41]

Quote: lucul

From the article:

There are two helicopters in one hangar and two helicopters in the second))))

Ok if so

[figwam]

Quote: Marconi41

And there are only two helicopters. Nedoudk

Last year, two UDCs of project 2 of the "Ivan Rogov" type were laid down in Kerch, with a displacement of up to 23900 tons and up to 40000 helicopters each.

[antivirus]

Submarines will carry hones instead of boats and tanks. Or maybe Poseidons right away?

[Horst78]

BDK in 5000-7000t. Are you seriously? For the entire fleet 2 BDK? What are 13 tanks or (OR) 300 Marines for? As a familiar marine from the Pacific Fleet said, "suicide bombers". When was the combat landing operation carried out after the Second World War?

[Eldorado]

Can

Quote: Horst78

BDK in 5000-7000t. Are you seriously? For the entire fleet 2 BDK? What are 13 tanks or (OR) 300 Marines for? As a familiar marine from the Pacific Fleet said, "suicide bombers". When was the combat landing operation carried out after the Second World War?

At least the operation to force Georgia to peace in 2008. BDK marines were disembarking.
Korean War, Bay of Pigs Landing, Vietnam War, Falklands War, Desert Storm. Landing operations were carried out everywhere.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: El Dorado

At least the operation to force Georgia to peace in 2008. BDK marines were disembarking.

Uh-huh ... in pre forced to peace reconnaissance airborne port.
This is not disembarkation, but unloading - even a cruise liner could handle it.

Quote: El Dorado

Korean War, Bay of Pigs Landing, Vietnam War, Falklands War, Desert Storm. Landing operations were carried out everywhere.

Uh-huh ... and during them the concept "slowly crawl to the shore with a large box with a battalion inside, and then slowly unload it"changed to"deliver marines to a line outside the radius of most coastal defense assets, and from there deliver them in small batches at high speed".

[Kart]

Laid another 2 large landing ships, displacement increased by 40%
These will be completed - they will lay more.

[carstorm 11]

But this does not mean that they cannot happen. The marines are not suicide bombers, but the first line. Someone must be there. The approximate survival time of a tank crew is 5 minutes, does this mean tanks do not need to be built?

[Ros 56]

Duc probably time is right, judging by the chirping of the west.

[mister-red]

300 Marines - they don't move on foot. And the reinforced battalion is not only tanks and armored personnel carriers, but also MLRS, air defense, engineers, chemists, self-propelled guns, if necessary, and other equipment.
And without support from sea and air, such operations are not carried out.
And the landing of the MP is just the first line for the landing and breakthrough, other troops must go further.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Horst78

When was the combat landing operation carried out after the Second World War?

and with whom did we fight after the Second World War?

[22 dmdc]

Quote: Horst78

When was the airborne combat operation carried out after the Second World War?

When was nuclear warhead last used?

[Ros 56]

Duc probably time is right, judging by the chirping of the west.

[Ros 56]

An extra tank in the hold will never be superfluous for the Marines.

[Home]

Quote: Serpent Gorynych

I bring to your attention that 4 helicopters will be based on the large landing craft, and what you saw on the deck of 2 pieces means only that only 2 can take off from it at the same time.

Quote: El Dorado

Two helicopters in the hangar, 2 helicopters on the take-off sites. Total: 4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bN-3egg644

1:25. Two helicopter.

[tralflot1832]

So they have to go to the Pacific Fleet. Do you not know? For the rotation of troops in the Kuril Islands just right. In Kerch, others will do, closer to the Mistral project

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

I won’t get it: the displacement increased by 40%. Okay. The layout has changed. Okay. Have the engines remained the same? Does that mean you had to sacrifice speed and range?

[tralflot1832]

If the displacement has increased, it means that the volume of double-bottom tanks has increased, the fuel reserve for any one has increased. Without tanks, there is no double-bottom sea-going ships. And about engines, there is not a word in the article.

[Home]

Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich

Have the engines remained the same?

"Large landing ships of the second series of project 11711 will receive a new power plant in comparison with the ships of the Ivan Gren type. It will consist of four diesel engines 16D49, two industry and naval sources told Mil.Press FlotProm. "

[Luty]

Two oddities. The project is actually different, but the number is the same. Is there really not enough numbers? And the second - for disembarking directly on the coast is too big. Too little for power projection. Again the path of compromises.

[fa2998]

[that
ote = 22 dmdc] So far, we also don't need Mistral sheds. [/ quote]
So who ordered the Mistral for us? The State Department? Our dear ones, and if they gave it away now, they would tell us fascinatingly about the new ships.
And yet, I am not a sailor, but in my opinion such ships do not sail alone in the sea. Where is the squadron? "Rooks" are not enough.

И

[huntsman650]

In everyday life, I clarified on these projects). There are no water tanks in the cabins !!! Those who served in the navy know that there are 10 liter tanks in the cabins, for washing, etc., etc. Ie. I collected water in the supply tank and use it (water is supplied to the sea on a schedule three times a day for 10-15 minutes). And here they are not !!! And the water is also in the sea on schedule !!! During my visits, I was on NATO ships, after which I was very disappointed in the organization of life with us (elementary things) !! (((

[Mikhail Drabkin]

Project 11711, on the drawing board, is more than 20 years old. The capabilities of shipbuilding have increased (yes, it is desirable and faster, and more, would be), and the requirements of the Navy - accordingly. And both new large landing ships are for the Pacific Fleet. The BDK is not the fastest-changing category, however, keeping in mind the age of the drawing board project and taking into account the operational specifics of the Pacific Fleet, the development of the project is logical.
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New 11711: 7000 - 8000 t standard. According to plans 04/2019 and repetition 02/2021 - in service 2023, 2024. Both - Pacific Fleet. The timing is aggressive, and it seems that it has not shifted to the right in 2 years. Considering the experience with Morgunov, 2023 is doubtful.
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11711: 5000 t standard. “Ivan Gren” was founded in 2004, entered service in 2018. “Petr Morgunov” was laid down in 2015, entered service in 2020. Both are SF.
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For reference, Soviet BDK 775: 3450 t. Standard. 28 entered service 1975 - 1991. 3 of them under the project 775 / M (weapon modification). All 4 fleets. Built in Poland. Currently 15 in service, 1 in storage.

[Yuriy71]

Strange! Such a person does not operate with exact numbers! 30-40% - this is some kind of nonsense for people who "hawala"! Knowing our construction speeds, it is highly doubtful that this miracle will be delivered on time !!! Again, the timing will shift to the right !!! China offered to build, for example, frigates .... Why not! He bakes them like pies! Armament was put on its former !!! Russia is not in time! War is coming, but nothing in the army, practically NO! Some cartoons, which they hope to Intimidate the West! ! In the Russian Federation - nuclear ammunition is in special warehouses! Imagine - the first and disarming blow has been inflicted on you! Who, on what and the keak will go to these Special depots !!! It's just ridiculous and painful! Again, 1941 is planned !!! Only Russia after Such a blow will not rise! These are not spillikins and No one is going to joke! A multi-walker does not understand this? Or all his activities are to divert the eyes !!! Russia is being prepared for TOTAL DESTRUCTION !!!!