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"Now we see what our" friends "in NATO are preparing for us" - Greek readers about the Turkish map

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The Greek press published material with reference to the Israeli political analyst and journalist Seth Frantsman, dedicated to the "neo-Ottoman ambitions of Turkey." The publication Pentapostagma writes that relations between the Western countries and Turkey are in a bad state, but neither in the EU, nor in NATO, "no one is trying to get Ankara to observe democratic rules."


The Greek press points out that at the same time, the European Union is trying with incredible activity to "instill democracy in Russia." And for some reason Brussels is not embarrassed by the presence of undemocratic Turkey together with other European countries in NATO.

With reference to the aforementioned Israeli journalist, the Greek press writes that while the European Union is trying to try on different standards for different countries, Turkey is actively moving closer to Russia, China and Iran. In particular, the author notes the existence of a Russian-Turkish-Iranian format for discussing the situation in Syria, which allows one to solve very acute issues for countries with different interests in the SAR.

Franzman:

Ankara's regime is one of the most dangerous regimes in the world, in part because it is protected by certain friends in NATO and the EU countries. This gives him almost complete impunity.

The article also provides a map on which the Turks identified their sphere of influence until 2050. Voennoye Obozreniye has already talked about this map.

On the Turkish map, the territories of Russia, including the Krasnodar Territory, the republics of the North Caucasus and Crimea, as well as other territories: Greece, Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Cyprus, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Syria, Jordan, fell into the "zone of Turkish influence" , Yemen, part of Ukraine, etc.

"Now we see what our" friends "in NATO are preparing for us" - Greek readers about the Turkish map

Greek press:

Russian deputies reacted extremely negatively to the appearance of such Turkish cards. They noted Ankara's desire to revive the Ottoman Empire. However, such Turkish cards pose a huge challenge not only for Russia, but also for the entire civilized world, including Greece.

The Greek press called on the international community, including NATO countries, to respond to the card with "Turkey's true intentions."

Comments from Greek readers:

In Russia, attention was drawn to the Turkish map. Why are our authorities silent? In the same place all Greece is shown as "Turkish".

When there are politicians like Merkel and Biden, they will be ready to move the Vatican to Turkey.

Now we see that our NATO "friends" are preparing for us
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  1. Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 17 February 2021 11: 09
    +6
    Are you again steadfastly calling pandapostagmus the Greek press ?! angry
    1. Cid
      Cid 17 February 2021 11: 20
      .
      Still, the artical is a fact no one can deny.
      1. Invoce
        Invoce 17 February 2021 11: 24
        -6
        As Klitschko would say, many can deny it, but not all ... laughing
        1. Temples
          Temples 17 February 2021 12: 23
          +13
          The Russian soldier defeated fascism in Europe.
          And the United States, on this basis, has put cancer in all European countries.

          Humpback is exceptional. With their shobla from the Central Committee of the CPSU, they did what the united Europe could not do in the war - they destroyed our country.

          Ghouls they are ghouls.

          And the Greeks, like the rest of the "free", can cry and write on social networks. What are you not happy with?
          You wanted to obey the English speakers. Enjoy.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 17 February 2021 12: 30
            +1
            The article also provides a map on which the Turks have designated their sphere of influence until 2050.
            However, this is not all! Turkey's appetites are much more widespread.

            At first. Erdogan himself is especially active in this with his revanchist neo-Ottomanism - the formation of a certain Islamist Great Turan!
            Second. Provocation belongs to London and Tel Aviv and its edge is directed primarily against the Islamic Republic of Iran, China and the Russian Federation.

            Map of the future Great Turan.


            Turkey has recently been quite active in the post-Soviet space. So, in Nakhichevan in 2009 the Turkic Council was created, which united the Turkic-speaking countries. It includes Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkey and Uzbekistan. Turkmenistan has the status of a possible member, Hungary became an observer. The headquarters of the Council is located in Istanbul.

            After the collapse of the USSR, Turkey also actively began to work in Russian regions.

            Erdogan's world management project “Great Turan” includes the Crimea, the Volga region, Siberia, that is, those territories where the Turkic peoples live. Based on this, in “Great Turan” can also include Yakutia, Udmurtia and even “Hungary will fit”.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 17 February 2021 12: 56
              +4
              If we turn not only to Turkish TV, but also to other Turkish media, we will see the following,

              For example, the newspaper "Turkey" in October 2020 proposed to form a united pan-Turkist army to defend the interests of the Muslim-Turkic world, what provokes a clash of ethno-religious contradictions in the Muslim East. The publication as part of the Turan army sees not only Turkey and Azerbaijan, but also Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan. The provocation is clearly directed by its edge, first of all, against the Islamic Republic of Iran, China and the Russian Federation.

              As is known, Tajikistan, geohistorically remaining part of the Indo-European, Iranian (Farsi-speaking) world, has nothing to do with the Turkic ecumene. A significant part of the population in Uzbekistan, primarily in the years. Samarkand and Bukhara also consider themselves to be the descendants of the Indo-Europeans.

              Central Asia is the sphere of traditional interests of the Russian Federation, but today not only Turkey, but also China is actively penetrating there, which is especially active in Tajikistan, Kazakhstan.

              The "Turkey" newspaper did not include a number of countries and peoples in the Pan-Turkic army, although It can be assumed that in a similar way it would be possible to attract the power structures of Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Turkish Cyprus, the Turks of Georgian Adjara, the Russian Volga region and the North Caucasus, Crimea, Gagauzia, etc. The publication clearly passes off what is desired by Erdogan's clique as real, which is no longer shy about openly declaring the ideas of Ottomanism, Pan-Turkism, Pan-Islamism in the world.

              See details. - https://politinform.su/128018-velikij-turan-detische-londona-i-tel-aviva.html
              1. Sirocco
                Sirocco 23 February 2021 06: 36
                +1
                I wonder how the territory of Russia will be divided by China, which sees its lands as far as the Urals, and Turkey, which sees itself beyond the Urals? The most important question is, how do we and our management see itself, and what does it want to take on such statements from our non-partners? Here I think it is necessary to do the same, announce our claim to Constantinople, to return Ararat in Armenia and so on. D.
            2. antivirus
              antivirus 17 February 2021 13: 54
              +3
              The Ottomans cannot conquer the Kolyma ... ,,,,,,,,
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 17 February 2021 15: 46
                +5
                Quote: antivirus
                The Ottomans cannot conquer the Kolyma ... ,,,,,,,,
                Everything is much more complicated than it seems at first glance. Namely.

                The Turks use not only military force to conquer foreign lands and conquer other peoples, but also the so-called. "soft power".
                For instance. Georgia has already announced that it will restore the airfield bombed by Russia with Turkish money.
                At the same time, Russian military experts do not exclude that Ankara is preparing this airfield for use as a spare airfield in the framework of the expansion of the Turkish presence in the Caucasus. And I don't even doubt it either!
                And the Georgians will again pay for this - for the beneficial Turkish ambitions in the Caucasus against Russia - from the budget of Georgia!
                So for Turkey, in the end, all this will be both cheap and angry in Georgia!

                A similar situation on the part of Turkey under the dominance of Milton Friedman's "market" ideology in the Russian Federation with his principle of monetarism (that is, the pursuit of the "top" for financial profits) can, in principle, develop in Kolyma, i.e. in the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia), which, together with the Constitution of the Russian Federation, has its own national Constitution of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia) since 1992.

                C O N S T I T U C I Z
                (THE BASIC LAW)
                THE REPUBLIC OF SAKHA (YAKUTIA)
                SECTION ONE
                Chapter 1. FOUNDATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL ORDER
                Article 1.
                1. The Republic of Sakha (Yakutia) is a democratic legal state, based on the people's right to self-determination.
                2. The Republic of Sakha (Yakutia) has its own territory, population, Constitution and legislation, a system of public authorities, as well as state symbols and state languages.
                Article 4. Sakha language like indigenous language, which gave the name to the republic, is the STATE language of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia).

                As a result, if you set even certain ambitious long-term political goals for yourself and steadily systematically move towards their implementation for years, you can achieve a lot, and in particular their full implementation.
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 17 February 2021 15: 52
                  -4
                  If you set ambitious goals for nightclubs like in Nice, this one result will not be the development of the country. And if you need a country, then you need rural clubs with red-nosed accordion players
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 17 February 2021 16: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: antivirus
                    And if you need a country, then you need rural clubs with RED-BEARED accordionists
                    Nefig you here to mock the Russian question in the Russian Federation!
                    Here is your answer even for the Magadan Region!

                    (aybolyt678) 13 February 2021 18:51
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Together with Vel. Oct social. By the revolution, in 1917, from a historically formed state of the primordially Russian people, which absorbed other small peoples under its patronage and protection, it turned into a state of NATIONAL MINORITIES. Those. In Russia, not only did a geopolitical nationalist coup d'etat take place, but at the same time, national titular formations on the territory of Russia turned into colonial Russophobic METROPOLIES "from above", to which, as a colonial people for exploitation, the Zionists-Trotskyists handed over the Russian people for unauthorized use.

                    Wow! I just shuddered, fucking! coolly worded. He lived in the Magadan region, a small village, local Orochi nationality, there are 100-200 people there, and the cultural program in the regional recreation center is 50 percent for them, of which ... and in the region there are 25 thousand people. Russians and other visitors. The only consolation is that the gold that is mined there still goes to Russia.

                    In historically primordially Russian Russia, political power, since 1917, has not belonged to the Great Russians so much that they - Russians - are not only unable to defend their civil rights "above" politically, but even to stutter about them! But in order to protect their national rights, the Russian people as a state forming the people must have their own political structures, as is the case with national minorities, and be protected by the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
                    However, this not only does not exist, but, unfortunately, it comes to the point that the Central Bank of Russia declared that there is NO Russian people in the country at all and the Central Bank will not allocate money for its ethnic development, contrary to the decree of the government of the Russian Federation. And who, in the national ethnic sense, Nabiulina, Siluanov, Kudrin, Gref, Ulyukaev and others are representatives of the financial and economic government block in our country? To whom and for what do they allocate finance for development?

                    And all this rests on the possible further geopolitical disintegration of the country with the administrative-territorial division of Russia along the ethnic lines of the small peoples of the so-called. called "titular" nationalities.
                    Nowhere in the West is this principle applied to oneself.
                    1. antivirus
                      antivirus 17 February 2021 19: 38
                      0
                      No kidding, self-determination. Principle. peoples ruined Brit empire. Super long-term confrontation
            3. Sergey M. Karasev
              Sergey M. Karasev 19 February 2021 03: 54
              0
              "Hungary will fit."

              Well, since when did the Hungarians become Turkic-speaking? belay
          2. Temples
            Temples 17 February 2021 12: 34
            0
            On the Turkish map, the "zone of Turkish influence" includes the territories of Russia, including the Krasnodar Territory, the republics of the North Caucasus and Crimea

            Before the coup of 1917, the modern territories of the Rostov and Volgograd regions were an administrative-territorial unit of the Russian Empire called the Region of the Don Army.

            The Cossacks augmented the lands of the Empire in the south of Russia.
            The Turks were put in place, they fought with the Persians.
            Peace in the Caucasus was provided.

            The Bolsheviks destroyed the Cossacks and sawed up the Cossack lands.

            It is these territories that the Turks have now designated under their influence.

            The Turks are enjoying the fruits of the communists in destroying the integrity of the Russian Empire.
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 17 February 2021 15: 52
              +1
              Quote: Temples
              The Bolsheviks destroyed the Cossacks and sawed up the Cossack lands.
              Nonsense! The Bolsheviks have abolished the estates! In your opinion, they killed the peasants, nobles, Cossacks, townspeople ... were they all killed?
          3. Pavlos Melas
            Pavlos Melas 17 February 2021 13: 50
            +1
            Quote: Temples
            The Russian soldier defeated fascism in Europe.
            And the United States, on this basis, has put cancer in all European countries.

            Humpback is exceptional. With their shobla from the Central Committee of the CPSU, they did what the united Europe could not do in the war - they destroyed our country.

            Ghouls they are ghouls.

            And the Greeks, like the rest of the "free", can cry and write on social networks. What are you not happy with?
            You wanted to obey the English speakers. Enjoy.

            Of course, you can post slogans and use stamps. I can wish you good luck in the difficult task of recruiting plus signs.
          4. Simargl
            Simargl 17 February 2021 15: 47
            +1
            Quote: Temples
            The Russian soldier defeated fascism in Europe.
            Not fascism, but Nazism. And he did not win, but cornered, unfortunately.

            Quote: Temples
            And the United States, on this basis, has put cancer in all European countries.
            All - after the fall of the Berlin Wall. And by and large - the whole world.

            Quote: Temples
            Humpback is exceptional. With their shobla from the Central Committee of the CPSU, they did what the united Europe could not do in the war - they destroyed our country.
            She fell apart before him, in fact. He only put an end to it.
          5. Vend
            Vend 17 February 2021 17: 32
            0
            Apparently Turkey is loading about its former power. Did they get infected from the Poles or is this a local virus?
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        3. businessv
          businessv 17 February 2021 12: 26
          -5
          Quote: Invoce
          As Klitschko would say, many can deny it, but not all ..

          I think, he would say: everyone can deny it, but not everyone .. repeat
        4. Pavlos Melas
          Pavlos Melas 17 February 2021 14: 01
          +1
          As Klitschko would say, many can deny it, but not all ...

          Still, the artical is a fact no one can deny

          There is an article, but in whose press was it published, if Pentapostagma is not Greek ??

          Gentlemen, I certainly understand that you have knowledge of foreign languages ​​and want to shine. Yet, it is bad form to respond in English to a post left in Russian on a Russian platform. Now, in essence: pandapostanma is the iznosti and not the entire Greek press, and the publication is far from the most famous and respected, my first post was about this.
          PS
          Go ahead with Komsomol fervor anathematize everyone.
          1. Invoce
            Invoce 17 February 2021 14: 37
            -4
            laughing Use Yandex translator, and shine with erudition ...
            no need to envy and words of gratitude
            1. Pavlos Melas
              Pavlos Melas 17 February 2021 15: 36
              +2
              Quote: Invoce
              laughing Use Yandex translator, and shine with erudition ...
              no need to envy and words of gratitude

              Believe me, no envy, and English at one level or another is accessible to everyone and with the help of "crutches". I just think you need to shine in the right place hi
      2. businessv
        businessv 17 February 2021 12: 11
        -5
        Quote: Cid
        Still, the artical is a fact no one can deny.

        There is an article, but in whose press was it published, if Pentapostagma is not Greek ?? smile
        1. parkello
          parkello 17 February 2021 14: 52
          +2
          the edition is Greek, only the Greeks do not read it almost, you cannot say or think that pandapostagmus is a reflection of Greek thinking. it is a rag..like those that were sold in any kiosk in duty fries, so it can be considered the Greek press only by taking half a liter on your chest yes
          1. businessv
            businessv 17 February 2021 15: 03
            +2
            Quote: parkello
            this is a rag..like those that were sold at any kiosk in the duty free, so it can be considered the Greek press only by taking half a liter on the chest

            Thank you for the information, otherwise the titles of the editions are given, and most of this edition does not know anything!
            1. parkello
              parkello 17 February 2021 15: 07
              +3
              and you ask Pavel and me, if you are interested in anything about Greece, do not look at what all sorts of journalists write there. They even know little about their work. I am glad if my information was useful to you Vadim. yes
              1. businessv
                businessv 17 February 2021 15: 09
                +2
                Quote: parkello
                . I am glad if my information was useful to you Vadim.
                good Thanks again, I will definitely use it!
      3. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 17 February 2021 12: 26
        +7
        Quote: Cid
        Still, the artical is a fact no one can deny.

      4. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 17 February 2021 12: 28
        +6
        You have not confused the site "peacemaker" with VO?
        1. businessv
          businessv 17 February 2021 15: 06
          +1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          You have not confused the site "peacemaker" with VO?

          As asked and answered, colleague, never mind! smile Your Chinese story is simply incomparable! Especially the ending, after which I almost cried too! repeat He added both the post and the story! good
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 17 February 2021 15: 15
            +2
            Quote: businessv
            He added both the post and the story!

            Thank you smile hi
      5. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 17 February 2021 12: 34
        +4
        Quote: Cid
        Still, the artical is a fact no one can deny.

        Don't understand them bin! And I'm not really striving, however ... Shoo, in short!
    2. Invoce
      Invoce 17 February 2021 11: 21
      +9
      It is possible that this article was not written by a Greek ... But the tendency towards the revival of Ottomanism and, as they say, "Pan-Turkism" can be traced. And the fact that Erdogan claims to be the sultan is also there ... and the fact that Turkey gets away with almost everything ... too. That, in general, leads to permissiveness. NATO covers Erdogan and Turkey as opposed to Russia
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 February 2021 11: 37
        +3
        Quote: Invoce
        And the fact that Erdogan claims to be the sultan is also there ... and the fact that Turkey gets away with almost everything ... too.

        Europe sees all this, but cannot do anything against the "sultan", the "old woman" has become weak, and Erdogan uses this with a good trump card in his pocket.
      2. aars
        aars 17 February 2021 11: 47
        +1
        Quote: Invoce
        But the tendency towards the revival of Ottomanism and, as they say, "Pan-Turkism"
        And at the same time, the Arabs, Greeks, Shiites are painted over, but the Turks are not ...
        1. prior
          prior 17 February 2021 12: 02
          +2
          In response to the Turkish map - a Russian globe!
      3. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 17 February 2021 12: 08
        +1
        Quote: Invoce
        NATO covers Erdogan and Turkey as opposed to Russia

        Well, Putin is protecting Erdogan as opposed to NATO. request
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 17 February 2021 12: 30
          -2
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Well, Putin protects Erdogan as opposed to NATO

          Well, how does it cover?
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 17 February 2021 12: 52
            +1
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Well, Putin protects Erdogan as opposed to NATO

            Well, how does it cover?

            Prevented an assassination attempt, saved his life, a little? Nuclear power plant, gas, weapons ... recourse
            Well, he saves, does not allow him to bury himself and gives Erdogan on the paws: Syrian and Libyan oil, Syrian and Libyan territories, shoots the barmaley. repeat
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 17 February 2021 13: 49
              0
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              Prevented an assassination attempt, saved his life, a little? Nuclear power plant, gas, weapons

              Roofing is when they go to the showdown for the roofed one
              And the fact that we trade gas with them, we supply gas to Europe. Are we covering too?
      4. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 17 February 2021 12: 28
        -1
        Quote: Invoce
        ... And the fact that Erdogan claims to be the sultan

        So he practically does not hide it
      5. puskarinkis
        puskarinkis 17 February 2021 13: 33
        0
        The normal Anglo-Saxon practice is to do your own thing with someone else's hands! They call for friendship, but do not specify what to be friends, against others.
        1. dSK
          dSK 17 February 2021 14: 55
          0
          Quote: puskarinkis
          The normal Anglo-Saxon practice is to do your own thing with someone else's hands!

          The States agreed to extend the START Treaty (parity Russia-States), but transferred nuclear weapons to Italy. Now the USA, England, France and Italy have nuclear weapons in NATO.
          Undoubtedly, they will remain silent when Turkey "makes" its nuclear weapons and even help, this is NATO's southern anti-Russian front ...
          For 70 years of its existence, not a single country has managed to escape from NATO ...
      6. Anar
        Anar 17 February 2021 15: 23
        0
        Not the well-wishers of Russia and Turkey are doing everything to push these two countries against their heads .... And Greece is a fox, not the first incitement from the Greeks against the Turks. While Turkey is silent .... But at such a pace the instigator will finish badly that he will be fucked.
        Europe cannot watch Russia and Greece move closer together. They understand that, whatever one may say, Russia stands as a wall from the east, the Turkish wall from the south. To the north, you can not look there ice, there is only the west and there America is holding a trap in its cookies. And if Russia and Turkey play together with the Khan's Europe.
    3. credo
      credo 17 February 2021 12: 12
      +3
      Quote: Pavlos Melas
      Are you again steadfastly calling pandapostagmus the Greek press ?! angry

      This topic has already been discussed. The source of the map is the Anglo-Saxons who wish to create tension between Turkey and its neighbors with such publications, it seems that they are counting on the creation of one or more military conflicts.

      The Anglo-Saxons in their actions are not original, but consistent - "To play off some countries with their neighbors, throwing" firewood "there and earn" buns "for themselves on the supply of weapons to both warring parties."

      So it is not so important whose press reprints the map or who gives a comment, it is important who the source of this map is and what goals it pursues.
    4. parkello
      parkello 17 February 2021 14: 58
      +2
      do not say... request what the devil is mentioned here is constantly not clear. I already wrote here that this rag is not in demand, but I probably did not explain it well, although I wrote in Russian and tried not to make mistakes in spelling, maybe they will listen to your words winked
    5. no better place for
      no better place for 18 February 2021 19: 15
      0
      A Turkish American card
  2. aars
    aars 17 February 2021 11: 11
    -4
    The Jew painted this card in order to discredit the anti-Zionist force, to introduce discord and enmity.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 17 February 2021 11: 52
      0
      Quote: aars
      The Jew painted this card to discredit the anti-Zionist force, to bring discord and enmity

      The easiest way is to refer to the Jews. However, the sultan has already said something about Israel and Jerusalem, and there are persistent rumors about his interest in nuclear weapons. So, I would not be surprised that the legs grow not from Israel, but from Turkey (map and ambitions). Although I may be wrong .. request
      1. aars
        aars 17 February 2021 12: 02
        +3
        I suppose the sultan is inclined towards the idea of ​​the Great Turan, but this card does not correspond to that.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 17 February 2021 12: 06
          +1
          Quote: aars
          I suppose the sultan is inclined towards the idea of ​​the Great Turan, but this card does not correspond to that.

          The Sultan or his Anglo-Saxon patrons, I wonder ... repeat
          1. aars
            aars 17 February 2021 12: 07
            0
            The Sultan seems to be angry with them, because of Gülen ...
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 17 February 2021 12: 09
              0
              Quote: aars
              The Sultan seems to be angry with them, because of Gulen ..

              Maybe, but the Turan project, they say - theirs. However, this is all at the level of rumors, time will tell.
    2. bobba94
      bobba94 17 February 2021 12: 29
      +3
      Some American pretzels have drawn this card. The map was reprinted by cunning magazines in Europe, Turkey, Israel ...... Srach started, excuse my French. I read the comments and have fun ...
  3. Cron
    Cron 17 February 2021 11: 22
    -5
    The article also provides a map on which the Turks have designated their sphere of influence until 2050.

    "The map will change taking into account the new territorial claims of Israel" - the Turkish authorities made an important clarification
  4. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 17 February 2021 11: 23
    +4
    On the Turkish map to the "zone of Turkish influence"
    The card is valid! Erdogan's pants won't burst?
    1. aars
      aars 17 February 2021 11: 28
      +1
      Churban map - the entire CA is marked, Uzbekistan - no!
      Think for yourself where it is easier for the Turks to exercise influence - among the Arabs or the Turks ?!
      PS: Iran is not painted over, but Oman and Yemen - yes!
      This Jew, in general, was nasty from the bulldozer ...
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 17 February 2021 11: 56
        0
        Quote: aars
        Think for yourself where it is easier for the Turks to exercise influence - among the Arabs or the Turks ?!

        Do you really think that the Uzbeks will go under the Turks? Again .. Where is Turkey, where is Central Asia and where is China?
        1. aars
          aars 17 February 2021 11: 59
          +2
          Uzbeks are Turkic-speaking.
          And it's not about whether they will go or not - about the influence, but it is in Uzbekistan, the Turks build roads and not only roads, a lot ...
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 17 February 2021 12: 08
            0
            Quote: aars
            Uzbeks are Turkic-speaking.

            This is not an argument.
            Quote: aars
            - about the influence, and it is in Uzbekistan, the Turks build roads and not only roads, a lot ..

            Well, I guess China is more influential in that region.
            1. aars
              aars 17 February 2021 12: 42
              0
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Well, I guess China is more influential in that region.
              China is culturally alien and oppressive to the Uyghurs.
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 17 February 2021 12: 34
            0
            It's not about the Turkic language. And in what the Sultan can offer them. For Turkey is somehow not a fig is not a superpower, with extremely modest military and, most importantly, economic opportunities .. To put it simply, the Sultan has a penny of nem on the Great Turan .. I’m keeping quiet that neither Russia will be happy with this idea. , neither China, nor even the United States .. All of them do not need these neo-Ottoman show-offs for nothing .. So - Erdogan walks widely, only he would not tear his pants ..
            1. aars
              aars 17 February 2021 12: 36
              +2
              In that case, what can he offer the SA ?!
              Nothing at all!
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 17 February 2021 12: 40
                0
                Erdogan's problem is that he was born in the wrong country and at the wrong time, with such and such ambitions .. In general, the further the more he reminds Mussolini with his fixed idea of ​​the revival of the Roman Empire .. Everyone remembers how he finished. This is what happens when you don’t measure your wishes against your real possibilities ..
            2. Flooding
              Flooding 17 February 2021 12: 46
              -5
              Quote: paul3390
              For Turkey is somehow not a fig a superpower,

              it is so modestly called a regional power with great ambitions
              Quote: paul3390
              with extremely modest military and, most importantly, economic opportunities.

              about the army, which is considered the tenth in the world, this is a very bold statement
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 17 February 2021 12: 55
                -4
                What is bold there? Was Saddam no worse than the end? Armament, to put it mildly, is never modern, the army is also not trained ah, there is practically no air defense except for the S-400, there is no money for modernization and there will be no money, and so on .. This is against the current Syria or Iran there, and how- then it will pass. You cannot win a serious conflict with Bayraktars alone .. And if the EU imposes sanctions on them for aggression, they can safely crawl to the cemetery .. Alas, for the Sultan, his army is at best the level of the early 90s .... And there is very little chance of this raise the level ..

                Well, what to talk about with a character whose army is still mainly armed with Leopard 1A3 and M-60 ?? As Admiral Beatty said at one time - 300 thousand sailors are not yet the Navy.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 17 February 2021 13: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: paul3390

                  Well, what to talk about with a character whose army is still mainly armed with Leopard 1A3 and M-60 ??

                  Well, if you already mentioned the M-60, then in fairness, do not forget to write about their number and, albeit partial, modernization.
                  To call more than three and a half thousand tanks, more than two hundred front-line fighters, among other things, "extremely modest forces" - this is posturing.
                  You drew a parallel with Saddam's army. But no one would have thought to call the Iraqi army of that time "extremely modest forces".
                  1. paul3390
                    paul3390 17 February 2021 13: 11
                    -3
                    Once again - and what? Do you seriously think that this is enough for Great Turan ?? Namely this is natural posturing and rotten show-off .. About money - I’m generally silent ..

                    Well yes. And - how many years did that same Saddam army butt Iran? By no means the most powerful enemy in those days .. Eight years? Do you remember the result? Regularly raking, Iraq was still forced to agree to the pre-war status quo ..

                    In addition, Turkey is extremely dependent on imports, including spare parts and ammunition. The very first embargo - and the army stood up. Sorry, with such opportunities they don't aim at the floor of Eurasia ..
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 17 February 2021 13: 43
                      -4
                      Quote: paul3390
                      Once again - and what?

                      write for the third time that you are wrong about "extremely modest forces"?
                      Quote: paul3390
                      Do you seriously think that this is enough for Great Turan ??

                      not jokingly, not seriously
                      I have not written anything on this topic at all
                      Quote: paul3390
                      Namely this is natural posturing and rotten show-off ..

                      What exactly is THIS?
                      The fact that I did NOT write anything about Turan?
                      You are slightly out of your mind, go to rudeness.
                      Pull yourself together, not a small child.
                      1. paul3390
                        paul3390 17 February 2021 15: 30
                        -2
                        Better take something in your hands. Before speaking - read the beginning of the conversation. Ali is not trained to read, only to scribble?

                        And it was just about the fact that Turkey - the forces are not enough for the Great Turan. Including the military. Will you argue? And here you are on a white donkey, blazing with righteous anger of resentment for your favorites ..
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 17 February 2021 15: 39
                        -3
                        Quote: paul3390
                        Before speaking - read the beginning of the conversation. Ali is not trained to read, only to scribble?

                        There is such a well-known function here - quotation. You have calmed down, the hysteria is gone, so just quote those words of mine that excited you so much.
                        Quote: paul3390
                        And it was just about the fact that Turkey - the forces are not enough for the Great Turan. Including the military. Will you argue?

                        I see no need. And I did not argue on this topic.
                        And I challenged only your rash words about the extremely modest military capabilities of Turkey.
                        Quote: paul3390
                        with extremely modest military and most importantly - economic opportunities


                        Quote: paul3390
                        And here you are on a white donkey, blazing with righteous anger of resentment for your favorites ..

                        do not write nonsense.
                        I’m for a sober head and against shapkozakidatelstva.
                        and you behave like a cocky little boy
                        watch yourself and your donkey
                      3. paul3390
                        paul3390 17 February 2021 15: 53
                        -3
                        With a sober head - I always see you have problems. For only after a glass can you burst into someone else's conversation and begin to carry all sorts of nonsense, without even bothering to ask what the conversation is about. Moreover, poking your fingers like a new Russian in the 90s .. However - you, liberals, are generally inherent in this manner ..
                      4. Flooding
                        Flooding 17 February 2021 15: 56
                        -2
                        Quote: paul3390
                        For only after a glass can you burst into someone else's conversation and begin to carry all sorts of nonsense, without even bothering to ask what the conversation is about

                        in vain you continue to write in your boorish manner. look pathetic
                        Quote: paul3390
                        However - you liberals are generally inherent in this manner ..

                        Quote: paul3390
                        And here you are on a white donkey, blazing with righteous anger of resentment for your favorites ..

                        Confirm your words that the Turks are my favorites, and that I am a "liberal".
                        Finally, be not just a ham with a long tongue, but a man.
                        If you do not provide evidence for your dirty words, then you are a low liar.
                      5. paul3390
                        paul3390 17 February 2021 15: 58
                        -4
                        You can't even imagine how purple your opinion and your ridiculous scribbles are to me. More ridiculous and not interesting interlocutor - here on the forum you still need to look. For this - I take my leave.
                      6. Flooding
                        Flooding 17 February 2021 16: 00
                        -2
                        Quote: paul3390
                        You can't even imagine how purple your opinion and your ridiculous scribbles are to me. More ridiculous and not interesting interlocutor - here on the forum you still need to look

                        That is, you cannot act as befits an honest person and answer for your words?
                        You are a liar and a coward.
          3. Tank hard
            Tank hard 17 February 2021 14: 04
            +1
            Quote: paul3390
            Once again - and what? Do you seriously think that this is enough for Great Turan ??

            Yes, but no one has asked the countries that are tied to the Great Turan project, but do they need it? Why would they run under the sensitive leadership of Turkey, having said goodbye to part of their sovereignty, which they acquired not so long ago? Sorry to get into the conversation. hi
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 17 February 2021 12: 13
    0
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Do you really think that the Uzbeks will go under the Turks? Again .. Where is Turkey, where is Central Asia and where is China?

    Where is the USA, and where is Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states ...? But we went under them. Gone are the days when only bordering countries could be raked for themselves.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 17 February 2021 14: 10
      +1
      Quote: Piramidon
      Where is the USA, and where is Ukraine, Poland, the Baltics ...? But we went under them. Gone are the days when only border countries could be raked for themselves

      By and large, these countries went to Europe ... repeat And what, Turkey is not comparable in power and influence, economic, political with them (the USA, the European Union). It seems like Turkey itself has been striving all the time to become a part of the European Union, but was it not allowed? Is not it? wink
  • APASUS
    APASUS 17 February 2021 11: 27
    +3
    It would be necessary to be more careful with the materials of this "true Greek", journalist Seth Franzman. I looked at what he was writing, it felt like he was confronting Israel with the Turks.
    1. aars
      aars 17 February 2021 11: 33
      0
      Moreover, the fake is sewn with white threads.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 17 February 2021 11: 28
    +4
    Some strange map .. Why the hell is Greece there? There you will not find Turks or Muslims in the daytime with fire .. But there is no Albania and Bosnia, where it would seem that Allah himself ordered to climb. And if it's just nostalgia for imperial times - why not say Bulgaria, Serbia, Tunisia, Algeria? And how are our territories? They were never theirs. And let's say Kalmyks - and not Turks and Muslims. And then Kalmykia?

    In general - some kind of goneworthy ... One woodpecker drew - and everyone jumped ..
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 17 February 2021 11: 55
      +1
      Quote: paul3390
      In general - some kind of goneworthy ... One woodpecker drew - and everyone jumped ..

      They obviously drew on the ball. There is not even a match for Turkey's current military presence.
      Map with countries where there are Turkish bases or military presence.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 17 February 2021 12: 54
      +1
      Quote: paul3390
      In general - some kind of goneworthy ... One woodpecker drew - and everyone jumped ..

      At the same time, mind you, Israel was carefully removed from the influence of Turkish ambitions, although almost in the very center of the map lol
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 17 February 2021 19: 14
      +1
      Quote: paul3390
      Some strange map .. Why the hell is Greece there? There you will not find Turks or Muslims with fire during the day.

      They are not teeming in the Krasnodar Territory either, but this painter painted it over. I could have painted over Siberia, but apparently there was not enough paint, or the orderlies took away the brush. In general, we are discussing pictures from a mental hospital here.
  • Pereira
    Pereira 17 February 2021 11: 33
    +3
    And they were afraid to include Israel.
    Our friends today have a new reason to be proud.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 17 February 2021 11: 47
      +1
      Uh-huh. Moreover, judging by the map, for some reason, the Ottomans do not claim even Palestine and the Gaza Strip with the Golan Heights. what wink
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 17 February 2021 12: 48
        0
        They fear Israel more than Russia.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 17 February 2021 11: 37
    -1
    The Sultan holds the EU firmly for the Faberge, oh firmly.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 17 February 2021 11: 44
    0
    Now we see that our NATO "friends" are preparing for us

    So they themselves chose their friends !!!
    Why "cluck" now, it's too late to drink Borjomi, everything has already fallen off.
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 February 2021 12: 24
      +2
      Well, then they gave the candy big and sweet, and now only the cuffs ...
  • Assyrian
    Assyrian 17 February 2021 11: 44
    +2
    Quote: paul3390
    One woodpecker drew - and everyone jumped ..

    Why immediately a woodpecker. He is an "artist", he sees it that way. laughing laughing laughing
    Dreaming is not harmful. Both the "artist" and the "sultan" need a doctor, in my opinion he is called a psychiatrist. And the disease, if I'm not mistaken, is delusions of majesty.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 17 February 2021 11: 49
    0
    I wonder if Erdogan will be in 2050, Woe to the draftsmen.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 17 February 2021 12: 44
      0
      So this is not only his idea! There's a whole government there!
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 February 2021 11: 56
    0
    Ankara regime - one of the most dangerous regimes in the world, in part because it is protected by certain friends in NATO and EU countries
    How Greece got hot. They don't even complain anymore, they scream. When we went to NATO we dreamed about something else.
    Now we see that our NATO "friends" are preparing for us
    Well, finally - "And in the morning they woke up" (V. Shukshin).
  • cniza
    cniza 17 February 2021 12: 23
    +1
    Now we see that our NATO "friends" are preparing for us


    I'm afraid you can't even imagine ...
  • vavilon
    vavilon 17 February 2021 14: 25
    0
    Erdogan is a puppet in the hands of Western liberalism, Ankara's policy is beneficial to them, and all his loud anti-Western statements and flirting with Moscow, this performance to the public is purposefully directed against Russia, Iran and China, like Hitler in his time
    And we just chew snot, we destroyed the Soviet ideology and the liberal oligarchic system is to snatch more and run away further, here we are their ideology
    But there were times when the border was sacred and not touched.
  • iouris
    iouris 17 February 2021 14: 49
    0
    It is interesting.
    To control the straits, you need to join Turkey.
  • tsvetkov1274
    tsvetkov1274 17 February 2021 15: 08
    0
    See Yuri Podolyako
    On the tube
    I chewed on this topic in detail ....
  • Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 17 February 2021 15: 42
    +1
    Why didn't they draw Israel on this stupid Turkish map? laughing
    - Pissing?
    - That's right, piss. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 17 February 2021 17: 22
    0
    laughing They are funny, when they start cutting again who will be called? And who will run to the "volunteers" to enroll? laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 17 February 2021 17: 39
    0
    It's just an oriental bazaar. The bidding process is more important than the result. Erdogan will never forget how Germany refused to accept him, and he circled the Aegean and Marmara seas for 5 hours on the presidential liner, waiting for a missile on the side of his own Turkish F-16. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 17 February 2021 18: 04
    -2
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    laughing They are funny, when they start cutting again who will be called? And who will run to the "volunteers" to enroll? laughing

    Would the dear "Orthodox brothers" be revered by the Russians as they hindered us with shit on the pages of this rag. Until then:
    laughing
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 17 February 2021 19: 23
    -2
    Quote: Cid
    Still, the artical is a fact no one can deny.

    Yes. You are right. The ambitions of Turkey are overstretched to say the least! And offensive as well. But timely knowledge helps mitigate certain risks.

    So, an English-speaking colleague said that the article is "a fact that no one can deny."
    He was minus in smoke, possibly by his tongue. This is the first fully English-language comment that I see here. winked

    I answered that he was right. And that Turkey's ambitions are at least disproportionate to reality and aggressive. But that timely understanding balances some of the risks.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 17 February 2021 19: 28
    0
    Russia will not fight Turkey ... there are many other neighboring countries for this .. laughing .
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 17 February 2021 19: 52
    +1
    Greeks are not 300 sprtans laughing
  • Hottabych
    Hottabych 18 February 2021 11: 44
    +1
    This is not a Turkish map, as this note claims, but a map with a forecast of the expansion of Ankara's sphere of influence by 2050, prepared by Stratfor, which was modestly silent. Look at the root, gentlemen. Russia stubbornly wants to confront Turkey.
  • Seal
    Seal 18 February 2021 15: 33
    0
    Work Made in "Stratfor.com" again. laughing
    https://www.stratfor.com/about-stratfor
    Our History
    In 1996, a small group of political scientists and entrepreneurs decided to move their project, The Center for Geopolitical Studies at Louisiana State University, into the private sector. They traded Baton Rouge for Austin, Texas, an emerging center for innovation, and formed Stratfor around the idea that geopolitical analysis and accurate forecasting of global trends would be valuable to individuals and organizations seeking clarity and informed insight in today's increasingly complicated international environment.
  • Seal
    Seal 18 February 2021 15: 44
    0
    Quote: Tatiana
    Map of the future Great Turan.
    Really? In fact, this is an ordinary generally recognized map of relaxation of the Turkic peoples on Earth.
    So, in Nakhichevan in 2009, the Turkic Council was created, which united the Turkic-speaking countries. It includes Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkey and Uzbekistan. Turkmenistan has the status of a possible member, Hungary became an observer. The headquarters of the Council is located in Istanbul.
    We read the Great Soviet Encyclopedia.
    http://bse.sci-lib.com/article113274.html
    To improve the coordination of scientific research in the field of Turkology, as well as to strengthen international contacts and scientific cooperation with Turkologists of foreign countries, by the decree of the Presidium of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR of October 13, 1973, the Soviet Committee of Turkologists was created at the Department of Literature and Language of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR, uniting all Soviet scientists studying languages. history, literature, ethnography and archeology of the Turkic-speaking peoples.
    In foreign socialist countries, Türkology traditionally develops in the fields of historical-philological, less often narrowly linguistic studies. In countries whose territories were completely or partially under the rule of the Turks (Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia), Turkish written sources on the history of these countries, as well as Ottoman documents and Turkic dialects presented in these countries [in Hungary - L. Fekete, D. Nemeth, G. Hazai (works in the GDR), J. Kakuk, D. Caldi-Nagy; in NRB - G. Gylybov, B. Nedkov, N. Todorov, B. Tsvetkova, V. Mutafchieva; in SRR - M. Guboglu, Vl. Dreamba; in the SFRY - G. Elezovich, H. Hadzhibegich, H. Shabanovich, B. Dzhurdzhev, N. Filipovich]. In the GDR, the problems of Türkology are being worked out by P. Zime, Z. Kleinmichel, and others. Hungarian scholars study the historical ties of the Hungarian people and their language with the Turkic peoples and their languages (L. Ligeti, Nemeth, Hazai, A. Rona-Tash, G. Kara, Kakuk, E. Schutz). J. Ripka, I. Blashkovich, I. Kabrda, Z. Vesela, V. Kopchan contributed to the development of the problems of Turkology in Czechoslovakia. Polish Türkology pays much attention to the Karaite language, Polovtsian-Armenian documents, monuments of Turkic literature and its connections with Persian and Arabic literature, the history of Turkey, Polish-Turkish cultural ties (A. Zayonchkovsky, J. Reichman, E. Tryyarsky, V. Zayonchkovsky, A. Dubinsky, J. Tsiopinsky). The main directions of modern Turkology in Turkey are the study of the problems of the Middle Ages, the publication and publication of sources (I. Kh. Uzuncharshyly, OL Barkan, Turkology M. Gokbilgin, M. Akdag, H. Inaldzhik, etc.); Yu. H. Bayur, EZ Karal, A. N. Kurat and others are engaged in the new and modern history of Turkey (see also the article Turkey, Historical Science, Linguistics in the section Science and Scientific Institutions).
    The centers of Turkology in modern Turkey are the Turkish Historical Society (founded in 1931), the Turkish Linguistic Society (founded in 1932), as well as the Faculty of Literature of Istanbul University, the institutes of Turkic studies and Islamic studies at this university, the Faculty of Language, History and Geography of Ankara University and the Turkological institute with him, Erzurum University.
  • Seal
    Seal 18 February 2021 15: 47
    0
    Quote: Piramidon
    In general, we are discussing pictures from a mental hospital here.
    Here it is, this mental hospital. And AMERICAN !!!
    https://www.stratfor.com/about-stratfor
  • no better place for
    no better place for 18 February 2021 19: 19
    +1
    Why lie so vile? The card is not Turkish, but American. Don't spread fakes.
    Doesn't the site check that they are publishing outright lies?
  • SHAH
    SHAH 20 February 2021 08: 19
    0
    [i] The Turks are credited with something that does not exist, Yes there was the Ottoman Empire and Europe bowed its head before it, but those times are over. Empires collapse, the world is not for empires.
    But what is attributed to the Turks, Israel has been doing today for 70 years. Constant seizure and retention of foreign lands. Why does the West not demand the observance of democratic rules from Israel? Maybe an Israeli political analyst and journalist can more easily approach their government and demand that the government of Israel adhere to democratic rules.
    1. Alexander Kalashnikov
      Alexander Kalashnikov 21 February 2021 11: 21
      0
      You're not right. Peace is just for Empires. Only OTHER empires today. The same tan is not the Empire? Yes, today there are almost no colonies and protectorates left on the planet. But what, one wonders, is a puppet "state" (like Gryzunistan) worse from the point of view of "neo-imperialism" than a protectorate or a colony? It is believed that the "puppet" is even better. You can rob as a colony, but you don't have to feed. She is "sovereign" - she herself MUST feed.
      Laughter for. Let me remind you: the British Empire at the peak of its power in one way or another (colony, protectorate, dominion) DIRECTLY controlled about 60 sovereign countries. the Tang "empire" has only its military bases on the territory of 46 "sovereign" countries. And how many more "sovereign" countries does the Tang control economically and politically?
      And if THIS is not an "empire", what then is considered an "empire"?
  • Cuba
    Cuba 20 February 2021 08: 47
    0
    Quote: antivirus
    The Ottomans cannot conquer the Kolyma ... ,,,,,,,,

    Why? ... Give out sweatshirts, axes - and let's cut down the forest!
  • Alexander Kalashnikov
    Alexander Kalashnikov 21 February 2021 11: 02
    0
    M-dya ... Personally, I am invariably touched by the habit of people and podniks to consider all the inhabitants of planet Earth as clinical idiots, unable to add two and two and get four.
    Firstly, if this, if I may say so, "card" REALLY appeared in the Turkish media, it does not mean that this map REALLY reflects some "Wishlist" of Turkey as a state.

    Judge for yourself: the "map" was published by Greek "journalism" without reference to a Turkish source, as proof of the terrible aggressiveness of Turkey. NATO-member Turkey, we note. However, the legend on this "proof" for some reason is made in ENGLISH.
    Strange, isn't it? Analogy. Imagine that some serious forces in Russia dreaming of the revival of the Russian Empire within the borders of 1866 (i.e. with Alaska, Northern Phenicia and Pshekostan) publishes a map of their dreams in the Russian media, but at the same time draws up the legend of the map in English. That is, the card intended for "imperial sovereigns" is drawn up in the language of the ENEMY. Isn't that nonsense?
    Moreover. The authors of the "map" obviously consider ALL Turks to be idiots. Because as soon as in the first quarter of the XXI century, they can seriously dream for only some 30 years - that is, in fact, AT THE SAME TIME - to occupy two NATO-member countries (Greece and Cyprus), "bend" half of the "Arab world" (including the one hundred millionth Egypt, as well as Saudi and Qatar), a bunch of natural NATO members (like Rodent) and grab a PART of the territory from a nuclear SUPER power (from Russia). And while "tactfully" without touching Israel!
    And all this is supposedly planned to be done by the "evil" Turkey with its 80 million population, which has neither nuclear nor serious missile weapons!
    And, apparently, the authors of the "map" invite everyone to believe that all SERIOUS players - such as Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran and - surprise! - Will Israel sit and watch as another monster in the style of the Third Reich with Recep Akhmetovich in the role of the Islam-Fuhrer is born next to them?
    Conclusion: this is a cheap PROVOCATION. Most likely - Tang. Although a purely Greek initiative is not ruled out: the Greeks, like the Armenians, are sincerely convinced that the whole world revolves around their "ancient" (but shallow and impoverished) country. And, as a result, the Turkish threat to "Great Hellas" is a terrible threat to all of Mankind.
    But in fact, the Greeks are just SCARY. It is scary that NATO will again, as in 1974, “wash its hands” and Greece will again be left alone against Turkey. One, because neither Russia nor the Arabs will "fit in" for Greece. What does that mean? And the fact that both the Russians and the Arabs should be SCARED with the Turkish threat "so that they are FORCED to" save "this very" Great Hellas "once again.