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Former Soviet dissident: USSR "doublethink" is frighteningly embodied in the modern West

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The system of "doublethink" survived both Stalin and his Gulag. Former Soviet dissidents now see her in Western countries, and this scares them.


This is one of the themes that Natan Sharansky raised in his book "I was never alone - not in prison, not in politics, not with the people", which he wrote together with Gil Troy.

The former Soviet dissident believes that Soviet citizens who sought to make a career and become successful were forced to live in an atmosphere of constant and universal lies. They talked, did and wrote everything as it should be. At the same time, they realized that they were lying, and expressed their true views in the kitchens among family members, as well as among the closest and most reliable friends.

According to Sharansky, the "doublethink" of the USSR is frighteningly embodied in the modern West, and there this phenomenon is called "political correctness." The author of the book believes that Western democracy no longer exists, it has long been destroyed, and it was replaced by "political correctness". She tries to control people, does not allow them to sincerely express their views. Like the old Soviet system, modern Western political correctness imposes the “right” views on the population. And if earlier the United States was considered the bulwark of world democracy, today it has become a hotbed of a new "doublethink".

In the USSR, government bodies tried to control people's thoughts, and today in the USA they have been successfully replaced by social networks. Today in the West fanatics from among public activists force their fellow citizens to be politically correct and tolerant, and those who do not fit into the framework are harassed on social networks.

Sharansky believes that today the citizens of the United States and European countries are faced with the same choice that faced him in the USSR: to remain himself or "submit to the humiliating dictates of doublethink."
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 17 February 2021 09: 54
    +12
    Poor, poor Jews!
    Sharansky believes that today the citizens of the United States and European countries are faced with the same choice that faced him in the USSR: to remain himself or "submit to the humiliating dictates of doublethink."
    Now let them bring them from the states and Europe to their Israel! (The main thing is not to return to Russia)
    They have something there in Israel with the rights of Jews, everything is a bunch.
    Unlike the rights of Arabs and Palestinians (I do not distinguish between these varieties, but they say that these are two big differences)
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 17 February 2021 10: 07
      +5
      Quote: Victor_B
      (The main thing is not to return to Russia)

      And what about the Jewish Autonomous Region in Russia? It smacks of anti-Semitism! yes
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 17 February 2021 10: 13
        +13
        Quote: Dym71
        And what about the Jewish Autonomous Region in Russia? It smacks of anti-Semitism!

        As I understand it, this was the first territory of Russia that cleared itself of Jews.
        1. Siberian54
          Siberian54 17 February 2021 10: 31
          +5
          Jews do not take root in Siberia and the Far East.
          1. VORON538
            VORON538 18 February 2021 15: 21
            0
            One name remained from the Jews in the Jewish Autonomous Region
            They are almost not there, most of the population is Russian hi
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 17 February 2021 10: 10
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Poor, poor Jews!
      Sharansky believes that today the citizens of the United States and European countries are faced with the same choice that faced him in the USSR: to remain himself or "submit to the humiliating dictates of doublethink."
      Now let them bring them from the states and Europe to their Israel! (The main thing is not to return to Russia)
      They have something there in Israel with the rights of Jews, everything is a bunch.
      Unlike the rights of Arabs and Palestinians (I do not distinguish between these varieties, but they say that these are two big differences)

      The main thing is not to come to you in Canada! lol
      Socialist she is not rubber negative
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 17 February 2021 10: 11
        -4
        Quote: Krasnodar
        The main thing is not to come to you in Canada!

        Yes, here you are ... well, in general, a lot! (I said obscenely)
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 17 February 2021 10: 15
          +17
          Quote: Victor_B
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The main thing is not to come to you in Canada!

          Yes, here you are ... well, in general, a lot! (I said obscenely)

          This is yes. I wish you that all the Jews left Canada, and instead of them came Arabs, Sudanese and Eritreans. hi
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 17 February 2021 10: 16
            -1
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            instead, Arabs, Sudanese and Eritreans arrived.

            Yes, there are more of them here than you.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 17 February 2021 10: 20
              +7
              Quote: Victor_B
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              instead, Arabs, Sudanese and Eritreans arrived.

              Yes, there are more of them here than you.

              Well, let their brothers replace the Jews. I am for it.
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 17 February 2021 10: 22
                0
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Well, let their brothers replace the Jews.

                Do not worry about the Canadian people.
                Canadian Jews need Israel like a hare.
                They live here!
                1. borberd
                  borberd 17 February 2021 19: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Victor_B
                  Canadian Jews need Israel like a hare.

                  So how do you like Russia?
                  How do you know what Canadian Jews need? My friends in Canada are very interested in Israel and read Israeli news.
            2. Kaman
              Kaman 17 February 2021 23: 43
              -2
              But what about a Russian patriot like Victor B living in Canada, and not in his native Russia?
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 17 February 2021 10: 22
          +2
          Quote: Victor_B
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The main thing is not to come to you in Canada!

          Yes, here you are ... well, in general, a lot! (I said obscenely)

          Are there very few of you? lol
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 17 February 2021 10: 23
            0
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Are there very few of you?

            There are plenty of Ukrainians.
            Russians, most likely much less than Jews, in any case they are not noticeable.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 17 February 2021 10: 28
              +3
              It depends on where you live. Russians quickly assimilate (including in Israel), work as IT-workers, engineers, doctors.
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 17 February 2021 10: 30
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                It depends on where you live.

                In Toronto, the so-called Russian district, on Saturday you cannot distinguish from the streets of Jerusalem. A continuous stream of synagogues! In special fit clothes.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 17 February 2021 10: 38
                  +4
                  I have not been, I do not know request
                  A friend of mine who lives in the States opened a branch of his company in Toronto (IT), says that 80% of employees are Russians
                  1. Victor_B
                    Victor_B 17 February 2021 10: 41
                    +6
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    80% of employees are Russians

                    Not Russians, but RUSSIAN SPEAKERS!
                    Actually, I have nothing against the Jews.
                    On Victory Day in Toronto, the celebrations are concrete, with demonstrations and street closures. The atmosphere is really festive.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 17 February 2021 10: 54
                      +2
                      Not at all - guys from Moscow, Belgorod, Volgograd, Alma-Ata. I also asked again - maybe Ukrainians
                      1. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 17 February 2021 11: 02
                        0
                        Duc Jews, they also came in large numbers from all over the country.
                        If not religious, but there are many of them, and the surname is not typical, then you won’t guess.
                        Here, in general, everyone knows each other by their first names, often they have not heard the last name. It is generally not customary to talk about nationality.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 17 February 2021 11: 07
                        +1
                        For what I bought, for what I sell. But since we are Jews, and he knows the names of his workers for sure, then we are talking about Russians hi I thought he traditionally, as he loves, typed Indians, but here it is like laughing
                      3. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 17 February 2021 11: 12
                        -1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        then we are talking about Russians

                        As soon as he sorted them out of the Jews? ..
                        By last name?
                        It is not always possible to understand exactly.
                        Although, if he is a Jew himself, then when hiring him, an employee would definitely emphasize that he, too, is yes!
                        But all the same, it was precisely the Russians that he did not specifically look for.
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 17 February 2021 11: 19
                        0
                        It is clear that I was not looking for Russians
                        But the head of his branch / daughter is a Russian Muscovite, I know that for sure. I did the set myself, otherwise it does not
                      5. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 17 February 2021 11: 21
                        -1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        But he did the set himself, he does not do it otherwise

                        Well, at least, there are definitely no fools who write "Indian code" among them.
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 17 February 2021 11: 22
                        -1
                        It is clear that no laughing
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  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 17 February 2021 10: 10
    +9
    Now let them bring them from the states and Europe to their Israel! (The main thing is not to return to Russia)
    Do they interfere with something specific in Russia, and only they?
    Sharansky believes that today the citizens of the United States and European countries are faced with the same choice that faced him in the USSR: to remain himself or "submit to the humiliating dictates of doublethink."
    It was 4 dozen years of wandering around desert to the world.
    1. aars
      aars 17 February 2021 10: 28
      -5
      Quote: Trapp1st
      Do they interfere with something specific in Russia, and only they?
      Honestly, I have no idea how they interfere, I have not seen a single living one.
      But the word "Jew" is considered a curse.
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 17 February 2021 10: 31
        +7
        I have not seen a single living one.
        belay Where do you live, in the cemetery ???
        1. aars
          aars 17 February 2021 10: 32
          -3
          Where oil and gas are produced.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 11: 35
          -1
          Quote: Trapp1st
          I have not seen a single living one.
          belay Where do you live, in the cemetery ???

          Are there no Jews in the cemetery?
          1. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 17 February 2021 11: 51
            +9
            Are there no Jews in the cemetery?
            The interlocutor clarified that he did not see a single living person, from which it can be concluded that he did not see completely alive ...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 12: 05
              -3
              Quote: Trapp1st
              The interlocutor clarified that he did not see a single living person, from which it can be concluded that he did not see completely alive ...

              They say that there are also living ones.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 17 February 2021 10: 13
    +1
    Quote: Victor_B
    Poor, poor Jews!
    Sharansky believes that today the citizens of the United States and European countries are faced with the same choice that faced him in the USSR: to remain himself or "submit to the humiliating dictates of doublethink."
    Now let them bring them from the states and Europe to their Israel! (The main thing is not to return to Russia)
    They have something there in Israel with the rights of Jews, everything is a bunch.
    Unlike the rights of Arabs and Palestinians (I do not distinguish between these varieties, but they say that these are two big differences)

    Sharansky already lives in Israel.
  • Finches
    Finches 17 February 2021 10: 17
    +11
    This divinely elected dissident, an ordinary offended - when he was not allowed to emigrate to Israel in 1973, he was terribly offended by the Soviet regime and immediately turned into a person with an "active" life position! What did he want, the red carpet to the plane? The Soviet government made a poor Jewish boy from the city of Stalino an engineer-mathematics, having learned for free in one of the most prestigious universities in the country, and he decided to give the debt not to the USSR, but to the promised country, which at that time was among our enemies ... tortured to tell a lie when he was a member of the Komsomol committee of the MIPT faculty, which just uncontrollably vomited him to his historical homeland! laughing
    1. Finches
      Finches 17 February 2021 10: 29
      +4
      However, I will correct myself, most likely Natanchik thought in time that it was possible to make a good gesheft in an "active" position in life and did it! laughing
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 17 February 2021 10: 38
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        However, I will correct myself, most likely Natanchik thought in time that it was possible to make a good gesheft in an "active" position in life and did it! laughing

        For a long time they did not want to let him go and change him to our illegal immigrants, because Sharansky was in close contact with an undercover foreign agent. But the very reaction to the "doublethink of the West" is amusing. The magic uncle woke up, and when was it different in the west?
        1. Finches
          Finches 17 February 2021 10: 44
          -3
          Looks like gesheft laughing
      2. avib
        avib 17 February 2021 11: 25
        +1
        Sharansky spent about half of his nine-year term in solitary confinement and more than 400 days in a punishment cell on a reduced diet at low temperatures without the necessary clothing). Sharansky repeatedly declared hunger strikes of protest, was force-fed.


        Oh, nafig such gesheft. Zyablitsev, do not judge people by themselves.
        1. Finches
          Finches 17 February 2021 11: 26
          +1
          Will you be among the fighters against the "totalitarian" regime?

          He was well paid for this "suffering": the holder of two highest American awards - the Gold Medal of the US Congress and the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the laureate of the Israel Prize, and of course they poured a bit of shekels, but Cleo is shyly silent about their number ...
          1. avib
            avib 17 February 2021 11: 35
            -2
            I - no, but he apparently did.

            Now you need to deal with a totalitarian regime.
            Thank God, I have been willing to fight only with religious obscurantism for 30 years already, thank God, and, in principle, that's it ...
            Although I agree with Sharansky - hypertrophied tolerance, reverse discrimination and dark-skinned artists playing the roles of the Queen of England or the Knights of the Round Table - all these manifestations are deeply unsympathetic to me. I do not agree with this within the permitted democratic framework. Time will put everything in its place. Maybe when we still laugh at how they tried to replace the father and mother with the first parent and the second parent in the forms ... Or maybe we won't.
            1. Finches
              Finches 17 February 2021 11: 44
              0
              I have something to do in retirement, except how to fight the "totalitarian" regime - I am of the wrong nationality, there is no heightened sense of justice in me! laughing
              And the problems of the United States and the West, this is their degeneration - that's where they go!
    2. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 17 February 2021 10: 29
      +3
      and he decided to give the debt not to the USSR, but to the promised country
      There are hundreds of thousands of such in Israel, maybe this is a sign of their good form. Some, by the way, are on TV around the clock.
      1. Finches
        Finches 17 February 2021 10: 32
        -1
        Don't give a damn about Israel! I'm talking about the motives of the Land of the Soviets at that time!
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 17 February 2021 10: 33
          +5
          Don't give a damn about Israel!
          Well, I'm not talking about Israel either drinks
    3. Siberian54
      Siberian54 17 February 2021 10: 37
      +2
      1973-the first difficulties of Israel in the manufacture of YAZU (the Americans were on their guard and blocked the channels of information), at the same time, quite by accident! Sakharov's wife began to saw him off to the Promised Lands
      1. Finches
        Finches 17 February 2021 10: 40
        0
        Bonner, this is a 100% Mossad-State Department spy, knocked the academician off his pantaly, and he, like all geniuses, was out of this world ... By the way, Natanchik then joined Sakharov as an assistant and translator!
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 17 February 2021 10: 53
        +3
        Quote: Siberian54
        1973-the first difficulties of Israel in the manufacture of YAZU (the Americans were on their guard and blocked the channels of information), at the same time, quite by accident! Sakharov's wife began to saw him off to the Promised Lands

        I remember publications in literature of that period. They wrote that this second spouse not only sawed, but also p ... la the academician. The creator of the hydrogen bomb? But the project manager was Kapitsa senior. He could have stayed with Rutherford in the states, but he returned, and was not afraid to intercede with Stalin for scientists.
        1. Finches
          Finches 17 February 2021 11: 04
          0
          Nevertheless, he participated in the design and development of the first Soviet hydrogen bomb according to the scheme, the so-called "Sakharov's puff". Theoretical physicist! And they think in other categories, but how the man turned out to be rather weak!
    4. Victor_B
      Victor_B 17 February 2021 10: 55
      0
      Quote: Finches
      This god's chosen dissident

      Not all Jews are dissidents, but almost all dissidents are Jews!
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 17 February 2021 13: 50
        +4
        Quote: Victor_B
        Quote: Finches
        This god's chosen dissident

        Not all Jews are dissidents, but almost all dissidents are Jews!

        I apologize wildly, but denouncing the bad West, advocating for the interests of Russia, living in Canada is also dissidence. laughing
        1. borberd
          borberd 17 February 2021 19: 47
          +3
          He is not dripping there, on the Canadian grubs. From there it is more convenient to love the Motherland and denounce Soviet dissidents. laughing
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 17 February 2021 19: 55
            +1
            But you can drink, have a bite and cry from nostalgia, looking at the Canadian birches crying
            I, too, looking at the palm trees in Sochi, could raise a toast to Ling Live Israel, Frog Palestine laughing
    5. Professor
      Professor 17 February 2021 15: 01
      +3
      Quote: Finches
      This divinely elected dissident, an ordinary offended - when he was not allowed to emigrate to Israel in 1973, he was terribly offended by the Soviet regime and immediately turned into a person with an "active" life position! What did he want, the red carpet to the plane?

      Not. Just let go, and NOT keep in chains in the socialist camp.

      Quote: Finches
      The Soviet government made a poor Jewish boy from the city of Stalino an engineer-mathematics, having learned for free in one of the most prestigious universities in the country, and he decided to give the debt not to the USSR, but to the promised country, which at that time was our enemy ...

      Never for free. His grandfathers and his parents were malnourished and lacked sleep plowing into the Soviet regime, thereby earning him to pay for the university. I repeat once again: the bourgeoisie not only taught me for free, but also paid a scholarship. And my interesting thing is that not only was it not forced to work it out "according to distribution", but it was never even reproached for it. And this is despite the fact that neither I nor my ancestors contributed a drop to their economy.

      Quote: Finches
      Apparently, he was severely tortured to speak a lie when he was a member of the Komsomol committee of the MIPT faculty, which just uncontrollably vomited him to his historical homeland!

      The trick is that in order to get to his homeland, he did not bend, but served 11 years in a strict regime colony. More than 400 days alone. And you, dear, how much do you love your homeland?

      Quote: Finches
      However, I will correct myself, most likely Natanchik thought in time that it was possible to make a good gesheft in an "active" position in life and did it! laughing

      I suggest you repeat his career. 13 in a strict regime colony and your gesheft. Is the intestine thin?
      1. Finches
        Finches 17 February 2021 15: 06
        -2
        God's Chosen Advocate always has to happen! laughing The guts are not thin - I am not trained to sell only the Motherland! And so I do not renounce the amount and prison! hi
        1. Professor
          Professor 17 February 2021 15: 09
          +2
          Quote: Finches
          God's Chosen Advocate always has to happen! laughing The guts are not thin - I am not trained to sell only the Motherland! And so I do not renounce the amount and prison! hi

          Did you really remain loyal to the USSR oath and stood up to its defense in 1991, or did you sell your Motherland? What are the names of those who break the oath?
          1. Finches
            Finches 17 February 2021 15: 12
            -2
            I, professor, did not have time to take the oath of the USSR, but you will be surprised even more - I did not give the oath to Russia! laughing
            1. Professor
              Professor 17 February 2021 15: 40
              +1
              Quote: Finches
              I, professor, did not have time to take the oath of the USSR, but you will be surprised even more - I did not give the oath to Russia! laughing

              I'm not surprised at all. Not who did not swear allegiance, did not serve, did not fight and in general did not sacrifice anything more than anyone SCREAMS about love for the Motherland. Classic.
              1. Finches
                Finches 17 February 2021 15: 43
                +1
                You don’t know how things really are, but you are mischievous, because there is essentially nothing to say to you ... But that’s the point - here in Russia I gave service to the Motherland for almost 30 years, and Sharansky was a defector and a traitor! Fact? Fact!
                1. Professor
                  Professor 17 February 2021 16: 09
                  +2
                  Quote: Finches
                  You don’t know how things really are, but you are misleading, because there is essentially nothing to say to you ...

                  In fact, I wrote above, but you only found an answer about the "lawyer".

                  Quote: Finches
                  Just what's the point - here in Russia I gave service to the Motherland for almost 30 years, and Sharansky was a defector and a traitor! Fact? Fact!

                  30 years without an oath? I believe. wassat
                  Not a fact, but slander from your lips.
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 17 February 2021 16: 12
                    -3
                    Why without an oath - with an oath! laughing I am, after all, a career officer! For me, Sharansky was and remains a traitor and the whole tale! Personally, you can idolize him as much as you like, besides you are co-religionists with him - so it's natural!
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 17 February 2021 16: 18
                      +3
                      Quote: Finches
                      Why without an oath - with an oath! I am, after all, a career officer!


                      Quote: Finches
                      I, professor, did not have time to take the oath of the USSR, but you will be surprised even more - I did not give the oath to Russia! laughing

                      You are confused in the testimony. So you, as a "career officer", have violated your oath to the Motherland? Shchiransky did not break any oath. Who is the traitor?

                      Quote: Finches
                      For me, Sharansky was and remains a traitor and the whole tale! Personally, you can idolize him as much as you like, besides you are co-religionists with him - so this is natural!

                      The most interesting thing is that Shchiransky does not even suspect about your existence and your attitude towards him. He (unlike you) went down in history forever.


                      By the way, I "idolize" Bukovsky more even though he is your co-religionist.
                    2. Finches
                      Finches 17 February 2021 16: 20
                      -2
                      You simply do not know our history - there was a very short period when the USSR was no longer sworn in, and there was no oath to Russia yet - I swore the CIS! laughing
                    3. Professor
                      Professor 17 February 2021 16: 31
                      +2
                      Quote: Finches
                      You simply do not know our history - there was a very short period when the USSR was no longer sworn in, and there was no oath to Russia yet - I swore the CIS! laughing

                      That is, "here in Russia I gave service to the Motherland for almost 30 years" is not true. You have served the CIS. wassat
                    4. Finches
                      Finches 17 February 2021 16: 33
                      -4
                      It turns out laughing But in the Russian Armed Forces and now I am in reserve in them! And I receive my pension from the Russian Ministry of Defense! So it's okay!
                    5. Professor
                      Professor 17 February 2021 16: 44
                      +3
                      Quote: Finches
                      It turns out laughing But in the Russian Armed Forces and now I am in reserve in them! And I receive my pension from the Russian Ministry of Defense! So it's okay!

                      Your integrity is just a standard. Not like some Shchiransky. laughing
                    6. Finches
                      Finches 17 February 2021 16: 52
                      -2
                      And where do you see the lack of adherence to principles? All the relevant legal acts on succession were adopted - so everything is fine - I was born in the USSR and began serving in the CIS, which then became the army of Russia - which confuses you! This is such a difficult historical period for our country, but I have not ceased to be a Russian, and I have not watered my homeland, and I am not going to do this, unlike Natanchik! laughing
                    7. Finches
                      Finches 17 February 2021 17: 04
                      -1
                      It was even more correct to write this - he began serving in the Soviet Army, which for some reason during this period was called the CIS Army, but then renamed into the Russian Army, when the collapse became more or less settled!
                    8. Professor
                      Professor 17 February 2021 17: 35
                      +3
                      Quote: Finches
                      And where do you see the lack of adherence to principles? All the relevant legal acts on succession were adopted - so everything is fine - I was born in the USSR and began serving in the CIS, which then became the army of Russia - which confuses you!

                      Confuses nothing. They served for money in the army which they did not swear.

                      Quote: Finches
                      This is such a difficult historical period for our country, but I have not ceased to be a Russian, and I have not watered my homeland, and I am not going to do this, unlike Natanchik!

                      Well, I'm talking about it. "such a difficult historical period for your country happened"and you served those who paid without an oath of loyalty.

                      Shchiransky did not want to live with you. What is incomprehensible here? Would let him go to all 4 sides and the trick is in the bag. But no. So everyone will run away from you? To scare Shchiransky with the death penalty, and then to a colony. Bella Dijour was up to 84 years old. They mocked the elderly man, but did not want to let him go to their son. Then you wonder why, when the borders were opened, millions left you, leaving you everything that they have created for generations.
                      Has it become easier to breathe?

                      Quote: Finches
                      It was even more correct to write this - he began serving in the Soviet Army, which for some reason during this period was called the CIS Army, but then renamed into the Russian Army, when the collapse became more or less settled!

                      In the Soviet army they served without oath and in the Russian. Did you get paid regularly? wink
                    9. Finches
                      Finches 17 February 2021 17: 39
                      -3
                      You are now doing ordinary casuistry! You can practice your fine writing, I'm not sorry! I am still regularly paid my pension, but the fact remains that Sharansky is a traitor, but I am not! That's the whole story! hi
                    10. Professor
                      Professor 17 February 2021 17: 54
                      +2
                      Quote: Finches
                      You are now doing ordinary casuistry! You can practice your fine writing, I'm not sorry! I am still regularly paid my pension, but the fact remains that Sharansky is a traitor, but I am not! That's the whole story! hi

                      Shchiransky (who in the photo with your Supreme Commander-in-Chief) did not betray his oath, he did not betray military secrets to another country.
                      You violated the military oath. But .. Nathan served in prison for his principles, and you are regularly paid by the country which you did not swear.

                      So who did the gesheft here? wink

                      PS
                      In such cases, I remember Admiral Berezovsky. He swore allegiance to Ukraine. He swore allegiance to the "people of Crimea", swore allegiance to the Russian Federation. It's just that he has a big oath and "such a difficult historical period for your country happened"He himself is not to blame. lol

                      Long years to Shchiransky. Interesting person. Well, you don't have to be ill. hi
                    11. Finches
                      Finches 17 February 2021 18: 00
                      -5
                      You jerked, jerked and you will jerk! You have such a hobby - to pull an owl on the globe! But, on the other hand, it is not boring in VO - if you say "white", then a "professor" appears and convincingly proves that white is actually black and vice versa! And good luck in promoting double standards! This has been going on with you since the time of Jesus ... laughing hi
  • AUL
    AUL 17 February 2021 22: 51
    -2
    I, professor, did not have time to take the oath of the USSR, but you will be surprised even more - I did not give the oath to Russia either
    Quote: Finches
    I spent almost 30 years here in Russia in the service of the Motherland,

    And all without an oath? or just forпиstarred?
  • borberd
    borberd 17 February 2021 19: 38
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    The Soviet government made a poor Jewish boy from the city of Stalino an engineer-mathematics by learning for free in one of the most prestigious universities in the country


    For free and now you can study at the most prestigious universities in the United States and Europe, and even (oh horror) not a citizen. The main thing is that there are talents and brains. And the most interesting thing, after training, you can easily go where your soul calls and no one will send you to the camps for this.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 February 2021 10: 17
    +1
    (I do not distinguish between these varieties
    by the way, both Arabs and Jews belong to the Semites.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 17 February 2021 10: 58
      -1
      Quote: Gardamir
      by the way, both Arabs and Jews belong to the Semites.

      Only now, unlike Russians and Ukrainians / Belarusians, neither Jews nor Arabs recognize each other as a brotherly people.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 17 February 2021 11: 09
        +1
        Quote: Victor_B
        Arabs and Jews belong to the Semites.

        -Abram, I heard you play in a negro orchestra? And how many blacks are there?
        Me and Tsipirovich! And the rest are entirely Jews! fellow
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 February 2021 12: 20
        -2
        unlike Russians and Ukrainians / Belarusians
        The Kremlin's modern state ideology will embroil us all.
  • Professor
    Professor 17 February 2021 14: 33
    +4
    Quote: Victor_B
    Let them now bring them from the states and Europe to their Israel!

    Amen.

    Quote: Victor_B
    The main thing is not to go back to Russia

    There is no such danger.

    Quote: Victor_B
    They have something there in Israel with the rights of Jews, everything is a bunch.

    Yes.

    Quote: Victor_B
    Unlike the rights of Arabs and Palestinians (I do not distinguish between these varieties, but they say that these are two big differences)

    Hmm. Are Fylystyntsi not Arabs? Live and learn.

    PS
    Sharansky is a respected person. They kept him in solitary confinement for months, but could not break him. However, for me, Vladimir Bukovsky is more of a beacon.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 17 February 2021 09: 55
    +9
    According to Sharansky, the "doublethink" of the USSR is frighteningly embodied in the modern West, and there this phenomenon is called "political correctness."
    But now there will be something to fight for! A dissident is a diagnosis - for everything good versus everything bad. drinks
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 17 February 2021 10: 00
      +2
      Quote: NDR-791
      A dissident is a diagnosis

      Bad disease!
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 17 February 2021 10: 04
        +1
        Bad disease!
        You know, Sakharov alone managed to do something for the State before he got sick. Judging by the rest of ALL, the disease has eaten up the brain! So the sore is not safe, more like a split personality - where you eat, there you shit.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 February 2021 10: 07
      +4
      Quote: NDR-791
      A dissident is a diagnosis - for everything good versus everything bad.

      He fought for everything good in the West, against everything bad in the USSR, but it turned out that everything bad in the West is the same as in the USSR, but he did not find anything good anywhere.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 17 February 2021 10: 08
        +2
        but he didn't find anything good anywhere.
        And they don't need that. Meaning is nothing, struggle is everything !!!
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 17 February 2021 11: 41
          +1
          Quote: NDR-791
          And they don't need that. Meaning is nothing, struggle is everything !!!

          Self-PR is everything. hi
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 17 February 2021 10: 25
        +2

        tihonmarine (Vlad)
        Today, 10: 07
        NEW

        +3
        Quote: NDR-791
        A dissident is a diagnosis - for everything good versus everything bad.

        He fought for everything good in the West, against everything bad in the USSR, but it turned out that everything bad in the West is the same as in the USSR, but he did not find anything good anywhere.
        God marks the assault!
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 17 February 2021 10: 19
      +6
      Quote: NDR-791

      But now there will be something to fight for! A dissident is a diagnosis - for everything good versus everything bad. drinks

      Yes of course. You Can't Wait Sharansky was a minister in three Israeli governments. He is now retired.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 17 February 2021 10: 22
        0
        Do not wait good good good
        Typically, they took it straight from that joke !!!
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 February 2021 10: 59
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        You Can't Wait Sharansky was a minister in three Israeli governments. He is now retired.

        He found himself, the struggle was not in vain. But why was it necessary to fight with windmills, I would go to Israel and live in peace. But the main thing is that he found himself, and in retirement understood the meaning of life.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 17 February 2021 12: 03
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          You Can't Wait Sharansky was a minister in three Israeli governments. He is now retired.

          He found himself, the struggle was not in vain. But why was it necessary to fight with windmills, I would go to Israel and live in peace. But the main thing is that he found himself, and in retirement understood the meaning of life.

          So he never asked for 11 years in prison. He asked to be allowed to leave. He was not the bearer of secrets. I was not a serf or a slave either. Why did you have to keep it?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 17 February 2021 13: 18
            0
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Why did you have to keep it?

            I would have kept my mouth shut, and still not immediately, but they would have released them, like others. My friends didn't leave the first time either. There was no need to pull the tail of the state, it is tantamount to pulling a cobra by the tail. He still fought, with difficulty, but he left, and I am glad that he left for the country of his fellow tribesmen. And there he found himself and showed himself. I am for it.
    4. Pavel73
      Pavel73 17 February 2021 10: 21
      +2
      In this case, he is right. A dissident is a dissident, but better late than never. It is very good that he understands that the West is also people. In both good and bad sense of the word.
  • Destiny
    Destiny 17 February 2021 09: 57
    +22
    The former Soviet dissident believes that Soviet citizens who sought to make a career and become successful were forced to live in an atmosphere of constant and universal lies. They talked, did and wrote everything as it should be. At the same time, they realized that they were lying, and expressed their true views in the kitchens among family members, as well as among the closest and most reliable friends.

    Such as Sharansky may have lived like this, but a normal simple hard worker lived quietly for himself, worked, and did not hiss in kitchens at the Soviet regime like all these dissidents.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 17 February 2021 09: 58
    +3
    In the USSR, the thoughts of people tried to control state bodies
    Don't give in!
    I heard - be quiet,
    said - don't write,
    wrote - don't sign
    signed - refuse.
    And you will be happy wassat
  • Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 17 February 2021 09: 59
    +4
    The United States is the mainstay of world democracy ???
    I would never want to live with their "crap".
    Let them live like that if they want.
    The only problem is that they want to establish it all over the world.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 February 2021 10: 09
      +4
      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      The United States is the mainstay of world democracy ???

      Their "democracy" began with the first president, who had about 300 black slaves.
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 17 February 2021 10: 03
    +7
    It is another matter that in Russia this Sharansky is not needed by anyone either, this can be stated without any doublethink, directly.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 17 February 2021 10: 12
      +1
      And in Israel it has long been forgotten. Therefore, I wrote a book laughing
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 February 2021 10: 08
    +5
    I am trying to remember at least one state and at least one system in which there would be no "doublethink". Does not work.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 17 February 2021 10: 19
      0
      at least one state and at least one system in which there would be no "doublethink".
      good
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 17 February 2021 10: 29
      +1
      at least one state and at least one system in which there would be no "doublethink"
      Exactly !!! Let's take Old Man, he turned again in a multi-vector way yesterday: “Belarus is interested in further deepening contacts with Lithuania, said President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko in his congratulations to the Lithuanian people on February 16. He revealed how he intends to cooperate with Vilnius.”
      It was he who congratulated them yesterday on the anniversary of independence from the USSR. And it seems like he was recently going to close the border, and pull up the troops wassat Direct internal dissident, panimash.
    3. orionvitt
      orionvitt 17 February 2021 11: 24
      0
      Quote: Captive
      at least one state and at least one system in which there would be no "doublethink".

      Doublethink doublethink strife. There is a slight understatement, and there is an outright lie. But in principle, everything is correct. As the saying goes, "you can't cheat, you can't sell." Especially in the context of Western "democracy".
  • cniza
    cniza 17 February 2021 10: 22
    +2
    The author of the book believes that Western democracy no longer exists, it has long been destroyed, and it was replaced by "political correctness". She tries to control people, does not allow them to sincerely express their views. Like the old Soviet system, modern Western political correctness imposes the “right” views on the population. And if earlier the United States was considered the bulwark of world democracy, today it has become a hotbed of a new "doublethink".


    And they never admit it, not because they do not want to, but because they do not yet understand ...
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 February 2021 10: 24
    +1
    Former Soviet dissidents now see her in Western countries, and this scares them.
    For that fought for it and ran! Serves the runners right. angry
  • Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 17 February 2021 10: 24
    +2

    According to Sharansky, the "doublethink" of the USSR is frighteningly embodied in the modern West, and there this phenomenon is called "political correctness."
    It is deceiving that "doublethink" or "political correctness" has always existed from the ancient to the modern West.
  • Invoce
    Invoce 17 February 2021 10: 25
    +2
    The author of the book believes that Western democracy no longer exists, it has long been destroyed, and it was replaced by "political correctness".

    Democracy, by definition, in the countries of "developed Democracy" was NEVER!
    There was a dictatorship of "democrats", which transformed into a dictatorship of gays (political directors). negative
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 17 February 2021 10: 27
    +3
    Sharansky believes that today the citizens of the United States and European countries are faced with the same choice that faced him in the USSR: to remain himself or "submit to the humiliating dictates of doublethink."

    Found the "most deceitful" state - the USSR ...
    Politics and lies have been sisters for thousands of years. And the example of the USSR here is not only unrepresentative, but far-fetched. On the contrary, the lies of capitalism have always been many times greater than the lies of the socialist states ...
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 17 February 2021 20: 50
      0
      That was clearly shown by the collapse of the dollar, capitalism and the communism built in 1980 in a single country)).
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 17 February 2021 10: 36
    +1
    for once agrees with the dissenters.
    the west, as predicted by Orwell, has become a purely authoritarian system
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 February 2021 10: 43
    0
    Former Soviet dissident ...
    It is worth slightly pinching the nose, which is sticking wherever it is necessary, with the state door and immediately a dissident. Well, if the surname is still heard in the circle of the intelligentsia, but they were imprisoned, then a dissident hero, a passionate fighter against the regime. And today it turns out that the US regime will be worse than the "bloody" Soviet one. But just in case, taught in his time by bitter experience, the old dissident decided to wrap it up in a wrapper of some kind of "doublethink".
  • yehat2
    yehat2 17 February 2021 10: 59
    +1
    those. there is no "Soviet" doublethink. There are only specific processes and people that prevent others from living.
  • Sibguest
    Sibguest 17 February 2021 11: 14
    +2
    Oh. I still beg you Musya Sharansky - do not make my slippers laugh: if you were seen from my Motherland (USSR) in search of a solution to the Evgean question, then your business.
    But there is no need to "cram all my compatriots under one bale" with such humus as you!
    Yes, far from everything was good in my USSR, but no one started stupidly lying to everyone and to himself from the first minute of morning exercises until the end of the "Time" program.
    And what we now see in the "stronghold of crap" is not doublethink, but full bottom - the result of a completely absent critical perception of reality (because THERE such ciliates like Navalny could become SOMETHING, and in US they are NOT SOMEONE AND CALL THEM NONE).
    FOR EXPERTS "KNOWING" about the USSR from the manuals of the US State Department - DO NOT BE EXCITED! GO BY.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 17 February 2021 11: 27
    0
    The USSR's "doublethink" is frighteningly embodied in the modern West
    With what the west and congratulations. As the saying goes, "Don't this wind, you will reap the storm." For that fought for it and ran.
  • iouris
    iouris 17 February 2021 11: 48
    -2
    I would say this is a fascist version.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 17 February 2021 12: 28
    0
    According to Sharansky, the USSR's "doublethink" is frighteningly embodied in the modern West,

    Sharansky is lying - doublethink has always been inherent in the West, starting with the Crusades.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 17 February 2021 14: 05
    -1
    = The former Soviet dissident believes that Soviet citizens who sought to make a career and become successful were forced to live in an atmosphere of constant and universal lies. They spoke, did and wrote everything as it should be. At the same time, they realized that they were lying, and expressed their true views in the kitchens among family members, as well as among the closest and most reliable friends. =
    It seems to me that Sharansky is right just as much as the Jews "were striving to make a career." Personally, I did not have to, as unnecessary, "speak, do and write as expected." He spoke, did and wrote as he thought was right.
    The Jews themselves created an "atmosphere of constant lies," and then lived in this lie. And I sympathize with them.
  • mark021105
    mark021105 18 February 2021 10: 43
    0
    Soviet citizens, striving to make a career and become successful, were forced to live in an atmosphere of constant and universal lies. They spoke, did and wrote everything as it should be. At the same time, they realized that they were lying, and expressed their true views in the kitchens among family members, as well as among the closest and most reliable friends.


    You don't need one size fits all. Although, starting from the time of Khrushchev, this infection gradually corroded society ...