Unique tests of the S-70 "Okhotnik-B" UAV made the Pentagon and Whitehall nervous. The race of "unmanned wingmen" in full swing

As the brief overview showed news sections of highly specialized domestic and Western military-political portals for January 2021, carried out at the end of November of the previous year, a unique full-scale test of the S-70 "Okhotnik-B" unobtrusive multipurpose attack and reconnaissance UAV caused great concern, both in the expert circles of the US defense department and the Agency Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), and in the competent communities of British Whitehall, marking the beginning of the so-called

"Unmanned wingmen race".

This is not surprising.

After all, we are talking no less than the successful development of virtual interception ("digital interception") of air targets of a simulated enemy by means of flight training modifications (UZR-73/74 and RVV-SD-UL without solid propellant rocket engines and warheads) of air- air "short and medium / long range R-73RMD-2 and RVV-SD on target designation from the 5th generation multifunctional fighter Su-57, involved in testing as the leading link of this operational-tactical" tandem "(air command post and third-party radar / radio-technical and optical-electronic reconnaissance means).

Advantages and disadvantages of Western "slave" UAVs, which should be taken into account by the specialists of PJSC "Company" Sukhoi "

Despite the presence of the tested prototype Okhotnik-B on the inner-fuselage suspension nodes throughout the entire testing period, the flight training simulators URVB R-73 / RVV-MD and RVV-SD provided the specialists of the Sukhoi Design Bureau and the Russian Aerospace Forces with spectrum of information, both about synchronization with the weapons control system of the S-70 "Okhotnik-B" UAV and further loading of the "tracking files" (including coordinates) of the imaginary enemy objects detected by the Su-57 radar into the inertial navigation systems of the simulators, and about the transfer rate data of "support files" by means of an improved secure radio channel for data exchange of the K-DLI standard, used by the C-111 network-centric communication complex of the Su-57 fighter and a similar communication complex "Okhotnik-B".

This opportunity was provided by equipping the URVB simulators with a standard element base of avionics, identical to the electronic "stuffing" of the combat versions of the R-73/74 and R-77-1 air combat missiles (including the inertial navigation unit, as well as the active radar seeker 9B-1103M- 200PS / PA and an improved infrared seeker type MK-80 "Mayak").

It was this test that pushed the specialists of Kratos Unmanned Aerial Systems and Boeing (in cooperation with DARPA and AFRL laboratories) to intensify the ambitious Low Coast Atritable Strike Demonstrator and Loyal Wingman Advanced Development programs, which provide for the development of promising subtle “ slave "XQ-58A" Valkyrie "UAVs for integration into the F-35A / B / C and F-22A squadrons of the Air Force, ILC and the US Navy, as well as" slave "UAVs similar in aerodynamic layout and a number of parameters (except for the configuration of air intakes) Loyal Wingman for the Royal Australian Air Force combatant.

The British Defense Department did not miss the opportunity to join the club of states-operators of "unmanned slaves".

Thus, according to competent sources in London, Whitehall provided the Northern Ireland "Spirit Aero Systems" with a 30-million appropriation for the implementation of a program to develop its own slave drone gaining air supremacy "Lightweight Affordable Novel Combat Aircraft" (LANCA).

The aircraft will be able to function both in a network-centric connection with the 5th generation F-35A / B "Lightning-II" fighters entering the Royal Air Force and the British Navy, and in tandem with the promising stealth fighters "Tempest" from the British concern "BAE Systems" ...

Based on the demonstration sketch of the British version of the Faithful Wingman for the first time published by the headquarters of Spirit Aero Systems, we can conclude that the layout of the drone will be as close as possible to that of the XQ-58A "Valkyrie", and will be represented by an overhead air intake, swept wing and nozzle "cuff" of the "beaver tail" type. (The latter design feature was first seen in the American stealthy strategic air-launched missile AGM-129A ACM).

As for the tactical-technical and operational-tactical advantages of the tandems "F-35A / B / C, F-22A - XQ-58A" and "LANCA - F-35A / B," Tempest "," Typhoon "in comparison with the domestic tandem "Su-57 - S-70" Okhotnik-B ", then here we can talk, first of all, about the use of not only standard terminals for the exchange of tactical information of the" Link-16 "type with omnidirectional antennas of the decimeter L-wave band (c frequency 0,96-1,215 GHz), but also promising network-centric terminals MADL and IFDL, integrated into the VCS of multifunctional stealth fighters F-35A / B / C and F-22A "Raptor" and to be placed on UAVs of the "Loyal Wingman" family.

For the operation of these highly secure tactical information exchange channels, an aperture of several (distributed over the fuselage of a fighter / UAV) directional antennas with low-power microwave transistors of the centimeter Ku-band (with a frequency of 1-18 GHz), having a beam width of about 1 degree and a minimum level side petals.

As a result, it will be very difficult to suppress such narrowly targeted channels of exchange of tactical information at a distance of more than 50 km, both by means of ground complexes of powerful noise interference SPN-2/4 (they function on target designation from the complexes of the executive RTR 1L222M "Avtobaza-M"), and by more high-energy complexes of electronic warfare "Krasukha-4".

Secondly, it is noticeably smaller (than that of Okhotnik-B) maximum fuselage midsection areas and the presence of more pronounced angular and inclined segments of the XQ-58A and Loyal Wingman gliders, contributing to a greater reduction in the radar signature of western slave UAVs.

And finally, thirdly, it is the ability of the "nozzle cuff" of the "beaver tail" type to significantly reduce the infrared signature of western "slave" drones, reducing the range of their detection by means of the domestic quantum optical-electronic sighting and navigation systems OLS-35 / 50M of Su-35S fighters and Su-57.

Meanwhile, the noticeably smaller volume of the fuel system and the wing area of ​​the western "slave" UAVs provide the latter with a range of about 1800-1850 km (compared to 3000 km for Okhotnik-B) and a practical ceiling of no more than 11500-13500 m, partially limiting the effective the range of the AIM-120C-7 / D air combat missiles due to the effect of greater aerodynamic braking on the ascending branch of the trajectory than that of our RVV-SD missiles (in the future “Product 180”) launched by Okhotniki-B from an altitude range of 17000 - 18000 m.

The use of long-range missiles of the MBDA "Meteor" / JNAAM family with integral / combined rocket-ramjet engines (providing prolongation of the burnout of a powdery solid propellant charge) partially neutralizes this lag.

Comments

[OgnennyiKotik]

LOL what?
Domantsev burns with napalm. Hunter is a repetition of projects that are decades old (X-45 / 47B). The topic of slave UAVs is already over 50 years old, back in the 50-60s, developments began. They bombed Vietnam. The first use of slave UAVs was in general in 1944.

Just guess why the X-45 / 47B projects were closed, although they successfully passed the entire list of tests. From the use of weapons, to takeoff / landing on AB and refueling in the air.

[Asad]

Why were these projects closed?

[Mikhail3]

Because the weak point of all drones is the data transmission channel and executive elements. Radio communication and relay modules were too slow and out of service too often. This good fell from heaven only on the way. Much has changed now.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Expensive, very, very expensive. Slow, very poor maneuverability, small amount of weapons (internal compartments have a limited volume, nothing to hang on external pylons). Of the relative advantages, low visibility and design, which creates a large lifting force. But modern technology makes it possible to design an aircraft according to a normal scheme, with comparable characteristics. Of course, the EPR will be larger, but not fundamentally.
Therefore, the "flying wing" can be used as a long-range reconnaissance or bomber. Anything else makes no sense.
The X-47B, completely ready for serial production, lost the competition for an unmanned tanker, a "paper" project. It is cheaper to develop a UAV from scratch according to a normal scheme than to launch a series of "flying wings".

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

small amount of weapons (internal compartments have a limited volume, nothing to hang on the external pylons)

Why would a flying wing have less internal volume than a traditional comparable in weight?

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Therefore, the "flying wing" can be used as a long-range reconnaissance or bomber. Anything else makes no sense.

Here is a perfect wing as an inconspicuous missile arsenal.

[lucul]

Domantsev burns with napalm. Hunter is a repetition of projects that are decades old (X-45 / 47B).

If only outwardly repetition))))
The main emphasis here is on network centrics - which simply could not have been in earlier samples))))

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: lucul

The main emphasis here is on network centrics

"Network Center" is communication and software. For her, a "flying wing" is not needed.

Quote: lucul

which simply could not have been in earlier samples))))

The concept of network-centric warfare has been around for 20 years (or even 30).

[lucul]

The concept of network-centric warfare has been around for 20 years (or even 30).

It's all the same to say that Rutherford did not discover anything, because long before him Democritus described everything)))

Network centric "is communication and software. For it, a" flying wing "is not needed.

Network centric is not only a connection, but also a control system.
In fact, what the AWACS aircraft is doing now will be done by the Su-57, while remaining unnoticed. Its task is to detect and launch unobtrusive UAVs to the target from a distance, 300 kilometers from the target. And these UAVs, in visibility comparable to a gliding bomb, will attack the target.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: lucul

It's all the same to say that Rutherford did not discover anything, because long before him Democritus described everything)))

Only those who did poorly at school can speak this way.

Quote: lucul

In fact, what the AWACS plane is doing now will be done by the Su-57, while remaining unnoticed.

You read too much Democritus (not even Rutherford).

[lucul]

You read too much Democritus (not even Rutherford).

No need to project your thoughts onto me)))

[The eye of the crying]

Su-57 in the role of an unnoticed AWACS is your thought. It is so absurd that only Democritus 2 thousand years ago could express it. So do not blame your sore head on a healthy one.

[lucul]

Su-57 in the role of an unnoticed AWACS is your thought.

Are there any doubts about the stealthiness of the Su-57, just like the ability of its target designation?

It is so ridiculous that only Democritus 2 thousand years ago could have expressed it.

I understand that they will not chew you yet - you will not give birth to a thought on your own.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: lucul

Are there any doubts about the stealthiness of the Su-57, just like the ability of its target designation?

There are doubts about the Su-57's ability to play the role of an AWACS aircraft, and its invisibility during attempts to fulfill this role. Although it would be more correct to say "there is confidence that the constant operation of the radar will make the plane noticeable."

Quote: lucul

I understand that they will not chew you yet - you will not give birth to a thought on your own.

You are trying to give birth to thoughts. You'd better chew, though.

[lucul]

There are doubts about the Su-57's ability to play the role of an AWACS aircraft, and its invisibility during attempts to fulfill this role. Although it would be more correct to say "there is confidence that the constant operation of the radar will make the plane noticeable."

Will make it visible at what distance? Compared to the AWACS aircraft.

You are trying to give birth to thoughts. You'd better chew, though.

Come on, think with your head, it's not difficult.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: lucul

Will make it visible at what distance? Compared to the AWACS aircraft.

We can immediately say that it is possible to detect an emitting radar at a much greater distance than the target detection range of this radar. And for an accurate answer to your question, you need to know the characteristics of the radar transmitter of the AWACS aircraft and the Su-57.

Quote: lucul

Come on, think with your head, it's not difficult.

I'm not going to think for you.

[lucul]

We can immediately say that it is possible to detect an emitting radar at a much greater distance than the target detection range of this radar

Find out with what? It depends on what else the enemy has. Secondly, now it is not necessary to issue target designation (i.e. to illuminate the radar) until the very moment the target is hit. He flashed the target and turned off the radar, and the aircraft made using stealth technology, with the radar turned off, was detected at about a distance of 80 km. The target was detected, transmitted by the UAV, turned off the radar and moved to a safe distance. In case of interception by fighters, the Su-57 will fight anyone, this is not a helpless AWACS aircraft.

I'm not going to think for you.

And don't, it won't work anyway.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: lucul

Find out with what?

The receiver.

Quote: lucul

Secondly, now it is not necessary to issue target designation (i.e. to illuminate the radar)

Do you have any idea what an AWACS aircraft is? He scans the space constantly. He has such a job.

Quote: lucul

Target detected, transmitted by UAV, turned off the radar

Before detecting a target, he needs to scan the space for a long time.

Quote: lucul

I'm not going to think for you.

And don't, it won't work anyway.

Here I completely agree - I will not be able to think like you.

[lucul]

Do you have any idea what an AWACS aircraft is? He scans the space constantly. He has such a job.

And glows like a Christmas tree 600 km around? ))))

Before detecting a target, he needs to scan the space for a long time.

What for ? The square is known in advance, ours are in Syria, they are not looking for barmaley throughout Syria, but only in a strictly specified square.)))

Receiver

Yeah, who can immediately catch a rocket)))

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: lucul

And glows like a Christmas tree 600 km around? ))))

I don't know about the Christmas tree, but it glows, of course. And the Su-57, if forced to perform the functions of an AWACS, will also glow.

Quote: lucul

The square is known in advance

And how is he known? By the way, even if the square (or rather the cube) is known, it needs to be scanned to find the target.

Quote: lucul

Receiver

Yeah, who can immediately catch a rocket)))

The receiver is passive, and besides, it will be located beyond the detection range of the radar. But it's funny that in your world, an enemy receiver immediately catches a missile, while the Su-57 (on which there is also a receiver, by the way) remains invisible.

[lucul]

The receiver is passive, and besides, it will be located beyond the detection range of the radar.

Indeed, and why, then, does everyone use active receivers and not passive ones? )))

I don't know about the Christmas tree, but it glows, of course. And the Su-57, if forced to perform the functions of an AWACS, will also glow.

Optional - I remind you that the state tests of ROFAR are over, there was an official infa about it.

And how is he known? By the way, even if the square (or rather the cube) is known, it needs to be scanned to find the target.

Indeed, here is a plane flying to bomb the dam - well, how does he know where that dam is? Maybe South America, maybe Australia? So what do you think? )))

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: lucul

, and why then everyone uses active receivers

Quote: lucul

state tests of ROFAR are completed

You do not understand what you are talking about.

Quote: lucul

Indeed, here is a plane flying to bomb the dam - well, how does he know where that dam is?

Dam - she can't fly.

[lucul]

Dam - she can't fly.

Are there only air targets? ))) There are also ground-based ones - power stations, radars, ammunition / fuels and lubricants depots, airfields, military factories, but only air targets came to mind)))

You do not understand what you are talking about.

Pffff ......

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: lucul

Are there only air targets? )))

That is, the Su-57 as an AWACS aircraft will not deal with air targets?

Quote: lucul

Pffff ......

And that's how it is with you.

[lucul]

That is, the Su-57 as an AWACS aircraft will not deal with air targets?

The AWACS aircraft can issue both ground targets and air targets)))

And that's how it is with you.

Yes, because I understand that in order to explain, I have to iron out the sheets of theory. If the opponent knows this, then he understands you right off the bat, and if not, then ...

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: lucul

The AWACS aircraft can issue both ground targets and air targets)))

Then it is not clear why you began to wag "and unless there are only air targets."

Quote: lucul

Yes, because I understand that in order to explain, I have to iron out the sheets of theory.

Fix it, yes. The test word is "crap".

[kutuz]

"The main focus here is on network centrics" - are you calming yourself or looking for an excuse for wasted money?

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The Kh-45 / 47B were closed, although they passed the entire list of tests. From the use of weapons

What weapons and for what purposes did they use?

[Proton]

Eugene, the article is good, thank you.
But the overload of abbreviations and abbreviations slightly impairs the readability of the article.
Yours!

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Proton

congestion with abbreviations and abbreviations

Well, what are you clinging to, this is the corporate identity of this author!

[Asad]

As an amateur in this area, I still do not understand why the Hunter is unique for American similar BPA?

[The eye of the crying]

It is interesting how Damantsev saw something on the "intra-fuselage hardpoints" and where he saw these "intra-fuselage nodes".

It was this test that pushed the specialists of Kratos Unmanned Aerial Systems and Boeing

Damantsev is also Stirlitz.

[Stirbjorn]

And I will be glad for the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant (NAZ), the main modern product of which, the Su-34, is no longer so in demand. The videoconferencing has already been filled, and, unfortunately, no one was interested in export. Will drones do now, you see, it will be possible to avoid a reduction in personnel

[Asad]

I am also glad that the plant where I started my career in the assembly shop will receive orders! Reduced and so decently!

[NDR-791]

unique full-scale test stealthy multifunctional shock-reconnaissance UAV S-70 "Okhotnik-B" caused great concern
Where is it so unique? This is how everyone experiences.

[Ros 56]

Why be nervous, let them take it for granted and change the diapers.

[A. Privalov]

It was this test that pushed the specialists of the companies Kratos Unmanned Aerial Systems and Boeing (in collaboration with DARPA and AFRL laboratories) to intensify the ambitious Low Coast Atritable Strike Demonstrator and Loyal Wingman Advanced Development programs, which envisage the development of promising stealthy "slave" UAVs XQ-58A "Valkyrie" for integration into the F-35A / B / C and F-22A squadrons of the Air Force, the ILC and the US Navy, as well as similar in aerodynamic layout and a number of parameters (except for the configuration of the placement of air intakes) "slave" UAVs "Loyal Wingman" for delivery in combat units of the Royal Australian Air Force.

Why such confidence?
"Ambitious programs" involving powerful companies and agencies for deliveries to the armed forces of several states do not open and do not start so quickly, especially after some completely vague test, the results of which have not been seen by anyone except the officials of the RF Ministry of Defense.

According to competent sources in London, Whitehall has provided Northern Ireland's Spirit Aero Systems with a $ 30 million appropriation to develop its own lightweight Affordable Novel Combat Aircraft (LANCA) winged drone for air supremacy.

What are these "competent sources"? It's more like an artistic whistle on a given topic.
We are talking about the implementation of a fairly long-standing plan for which a three-year contract worth 30 million pounds was signed, which will create as many as 100 jobs at the plant in Belfast.

[DED_peer_DED]

You read the first two lines of the text, then you scroll to the end of the article, you see the author.
Further from the article you read the first 2 lines, the rest can be skipped.
A set of alphanumeric combinations.

[Yuriy71]

The main thing is not to win in Races !!!, but to organize mass production and supply to the Army! And then, with us, of course, they can let the dust in their eyes, but, as for specific cases - Big Pshik !!!

[Yuriy71]

"As shown by a brief review of the news sections of highly specialized domestic and Western military-political portals in January 2021, a unique full-scale test of the S-70 Okhotnik-B subtle multifunctional strike-reconnaissance UAV, carried out at the end of November of the previous year, caused great concern, both in expert the circles of the US Defense Department and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), and in the competent communities of British Whitehall, marking the beginning of the so-called "
LINKS TO THE STUDIO, PLEASE !!!

[Doctor Evil]

Quote: Yuriy71

"As shown by a brief review of the news sections of highly specialized domestic and Western military-political portals in January 2021, a unique full-scale test of the S-70 Okhotnik-B subtle multifunctional strike-reconnaissance UAV, carried out at the end of November of the previous year, caused great concern, both in expert the circles of the US Defense Department and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), and in the competent communities of British Whitehall, marking the beginning of the so-called "
LINKS TO THE STUDIO, PLEASE !!!

There will be no links for you. A regular clickbait headline to draw attention to a note. The author really wants money.

[tralflot1832]

I don’t understand why you’re fuming, we’re only building three more Hunter units And we will have four.

[Thrifty]

There will be no C70 four, because one vehicle for ground testing, it will never rise into the air.

[tralflot1832]

So three.

[Maxim_ok]

"caused great concern" is not even funny. it's fiction. the fact that the only flight copy of the Hunter flew next to the Su-57 does not mean anything. years of testing and refinement await him. naive to think. that it will be possible in one fell swoop to jump over 20 years of lag. It is well known that the basis of the fleet of active UAVs in the army is licensed copies of not the most modern Israeli UAVs. If the Yankees have been using shock drones for 20 years and have already released their second third generation (first a modification of the Predator, then the Ripper, Gray Eagle ..) released the Global Hawk strategic UAVs and so on, then the Russian Federation does not have such experience, only now experimental samples appear. lagging behind even Turkey. and ecstatic dreams in half with propaganda about the Hunter is for propagandists and simpletons of the common people

[dgonni]

Damantsev again spoke about his illusions! But beautiful of course.

[canurodes]

Let's, all the same, let's fold and buy the generator of articles from Damantsev

[rica1952]

There is a lot of work here.

[ironic]

Those. Was it the Hunter who pushed west towards the Valkyrie and others like her? Electronic interception by simulators in the belly? ... Yapatstal.

[Alexey Zigalov]

Eugene thanks for the article. A few questions. Twenty ton L.A. flies 3 km., What would a bomb or a rocket blast at the foe ???? So we are the aggressor? If they attacked us, I have to protect my air defense, Airfields, Bases, etc. Why do I need such a range. The S-000 does not know how to fly autonomously, it cannot even hold onto the leader's tail. How much does the rocket weigh 70-200 kg. , so the payload is 300 - 1 kg. Takeoff weight 000 kg. The cost of the C-1 is $ 500 million, the C-5, $ 000 million. Production of one is three months, the other two months. If a war breaks out who needs them ...