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Speaker of the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG: "Russia was invited to refuse to support the idea of ​​a special status of special areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions"

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Speaker of the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG: "Russia was invited to refuse to support the idea of ​​a special status of special areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions"

Aleksey Arestovich, speaker of the Ukrainian representation in the so-called Trilateral Contact Group (TCG), said that Ukraine had offered Russia “several options for reaching a compromise on Donbass”.


According to Arestovich, "Russia has been asked to refuse to support the idea of ​​a special status for special areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions." Let's remind that Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics are called special areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions (ORDLO) in Kiev.

Arestovich said that instead of a special status, Kiev offers "a format of decentralization with the creation of a special economic zone."

At the same time, Mr. Arestovich admits a remark about himself. According to him, "the occupied regions would receive economic preferences after integration - such preferences as in all other regions of Ukraine."

It turns out a frank substitution of concepts. If we are talking about "preferences for all", then it is difficult to call it "preferences". Also, Ukraine once again offers Russia to recognize the DPR and LPR as "occupied territories", and only after that Kiev is going to endow these territories with its pseudo-preferences.

Earlier, Arestovich stated that Kiev "provides Russia with a" golden bridge "to leave Donbass, but Putin stubbornly refuses to use this bridge."

By the way, having announced the proposal "several options for the Donbass to Russia", Arestovich eventually voiced only one - with the aforementioned "decentralization and economic preferences." Why the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG stubbornly refuses to follow the simplest scenario - to fulfill the Minsk agreements - the speaker of the delegation did not say.
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  1. Ros 56
    Ros 56 16 February 2021 13: 38
    +24
    Let these tricks announce to the whole world about their unwillingness to fulfill the Minsk agreements, it doesn't hurt at all, to begin with.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 16 February 2021 13: 41
      +7
      Can't you give them the key to the apartment? Let's go nafig.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 16 February 2021 14: 26
        +5
        These little people cannot be trusted. In addition, power, thinking and principles are constantly changing in the Square. The price of their promises is zero.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 16 February 2021 20: 54
          -1
          Why-why ... Their task is to chat and chatter. Silently laughing at you!
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 16 February 2021 13: 41
      +1
      .Speaker of the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG: "Russia was invited to refuse to support the idea of ​​a special status of special areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions"

      And as I understand it, take Donetsk and Lugansk regions into Russia without any special statuses. I only have such a logical conclusion after such a proposal.
      Here's another thing he's talking about.
      According to the representative of the negotiating group on the Donbass, Aleksey Arestovich, a full-scale armed conflict in this region should be expected closer to summer.

      “I believe that it is not just possible, it is almost inevitable. Inevitably, sooner or later, because the Kremlin will not abandon its attempts to push us through by force. I do not presume to name the exact date, but although there are signs that this spring may be closer to summer, ”Arestovich said.

      https://avia.pro/news/arestovich-polnocennye-boevye-deystviy-na-donbasse-zaplanirovany-na-vesnu-leto
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 16 February 2021 13: 46
        +4
        Not only, to return Russian lands from Kharkov to Moldova itself. And all the Banderlog to Galicia, let the Poles bother with them.
        1. Machito
          Machito 16 February 2021 14: 51
          +1
          Quote: Ros 56
          Not only, to return Russian lands from Kharkov to Moldova itself. And all the Banderlog to Galicia, let the Poles bother with them.

          Fuck them, not Galicia. Let them get lost in their own Poland. There their unwashed toilets await.
        2. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 17 February 2021 07: 58
          0
          "and all the Banderlogists to Galicia"
          How do you imagine that? Again, as during the Second World War - Chechens - in the cars and to the North? Maybe enough already? ..
          And to raise the destroyed economy of the former Ukrainian SSR from ruins, with the money of Russian taxpayers? And what next? .. Wait until the next "nEzalEzhnost" is requested again?
          1. sleeve
            sleeve 17 February 2021 08: 47
            0
            Three Ukraine. It looks like this is becoming the only option. And judging by the desire to Russia of some territories, then two. And the West brings us under this political agenda, talking nonsense and trying to isolate us.
            1. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 17 February 2021 08: 51
              +1
              Your words, yes, God’s ears ... But somehow it’s not really hard to believe .. Ukraine is famous for being constantly attached to someone and then just as easily and betrays. Once betrayed, he will not betray once
          2. Ros 56
            Ros 56 17 February 2021 08: 53
            -1
            And what, a run-in option, just let these Bandera creatures get on their own. And on those lands, RUSSIAN by the way, for various reasons inherited by these utyrkas, after denazification, Russians will live. And that's all, no further, it will be Russia, just like the returned Crimea. Stop moaning on different occasions.
    3. Alien From
      Alien From 16 February 2021 13: 46
      +4
      Where do they get such utyrkov in such quantity, I do not understand .......
      1. 210ox
        210ox 16 February 2021 13: 48
        +10
        Another thing is striking - how many of them there are with Russian surnames and names.
        1. d1975
          d1975 16 February 2021 13: 57
          +12
          Well, this is not an indicator. And in the Kuban, how many with Little Russian roots? another thing is important, there is a substitution of concepts and ideology works there as needed, which cannot be said about our country. The Second World War is increasingly called World War II, and in general there is a lot that cannot be understood by a normal person. Ideology is the main weapon, and we also have enough comrades to sit on two chairs, why was it necessary to stop the Russian troops in 2? Why did they stop in the DPR in front of Mariupol, who felt better from this, we have a bonus in negotiations from this. I am more and more convinced that we are being brainwashed, only in a different way.
          1. d1975
            d1975 16 February 2021 14: 00
            +5
            And most importantly, people themselves do not want to live with Ukraine, and the fool understands, but no, we officially push them into the arms of Ukraine. How then to understand everything that we see and hear?
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 16 February 2021 14: 17
              +6
              Quote: d1975
              And most importantly, people themselves do not want to live with Ukraine, and the fool understands, but no, we officially push them into the arms of Ukraine. How then to understand everything that we see and hear?

              We were not quite ready yet after the devastating 90s. The main thing is not to turn into Ukraine. And then all sorts of impudent go here. And there, as he recovers, the issue should be resolved as it should have been back in 2014. Donbass, after all, no one is going to hand over.
              1. d1975
                d1975 16 February 2021 15: 14
                +3
                I will answer rudely, I apologize in advance, but the same eggs, only in profile, or find 10 differences, an example of an exit with an Anal. We are not allowed Revolutions, but such an attitude of the elites towards the people is extremely unacceptable, the rich are becoming richer, and the poorer are poorer. Society is really tired of these experiments conducted by the EP. They have taken over everything like a plague. And we can't do anything. So I understand that our country does not need ordinary people. We ourselves cannot give jobs to people, control the budget, we only see horrific figures of theft and corruption. And where is the punishment? Doesn't our Darkest One see it? I do not believe !
            2. Cron
              Cron 16 February 2021 14: 35
              +3
              Why stop the Russian troops in 2008? Why did they stop in the DPR in front of Mariupol, who felt better from this, we have a bonus in negotiations from this. I am more and more convinced that we are being brainwashed, only in a different way.

              The USSR also once stopped the offensive against Japan.
              Quote: d1975
              And most importantly, people themselves do not want to live with Ukraine, and the fool understands, but no, we officially push them into the arms of Ukraine. How then to understand everything that we see and hear?

              Because politics is about opportunities, and not just about someone's wishes.
          2. Looking for
            Looking for 16 February 2021 17: 26
            0
            on the issue of brainwashing the Kiev clique give a giant head start to the Moscow one.
          3. 210ox
            210ox 16 February 2021 17: 36
            +2
            You are right about Nazi ideology. She acts and is very clear. The example of Odessa is indicative; in a couple of generations they will forget about the Russian language.
            1. d1975
              d1975 16 February 2021 19: 14
              +2
              Yes, it's not about the language, well, we are balakayut and sho, well, who is worse or better from this, the point is different, the whole new history of Ukraine is Anti-Russia, well, I always remember one anecdote about the 5 point both in Russian and in Ukrainian) ))))))). But seriously, it was impossible under the Union, so the three Slavic republics and Kazakhstan. The roots of everything go too far. They will understand me here. Everything should be uniform, but not ugly. Not a supporter of Zhirinovsky, but he is right.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 February 2021 14: 28
          +6
          Quote: 210ox
          Another thing is striking - how many of them there are with Russian surnames and names.

          My classmate, a cousin from Yelnya, graduated from the Smolensk Pedagogical Institute, lives in Kiev. When she calls, her first words are "You damned Muscovites, okupants" (though later she asks for money). And then we live in Estonia, but still "damned Muscovites." Let the Muscovites, but not the forest brothers, let alone Bandera and not the Nazis.
          1. Ramadan
            Ramadan 16 February 2021 15: 13
            0
            "When she calls, her first words are" You damned Muscovites, occupants "(though later she asks for money)."
            These are the people who surprise most of all.
            This is how much one should not respect oneself or sink to the very bottom in order to ask the enemy (according to their ideology) for money for existence. And not just ask, but ask, calling names and accusing him of all mortal sins.
            It seems to me that this is the real slave essence.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 16 February 2021 16: 20
              +4
              Quote: Ramazan
              This is how much one should not respect oneself or sink to the very bottom in order to ask the enemy (according to their ideology) for money for existence.

              Well, it would be fine for us, or even for mothers he says the same. This is to say this to your mother, a simple Smolensk Russian woman, a girl who survived the Nazi occupation. I have no words.
          2. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 16 February 2021 20: 35
            +3
            Straight, she calls you and immediately "You damned Muscovites, occupants"? Vlad, or the story is fiction (or a hard morning) or she calls you from a psychiatric hospital .. a mentally healthy person will not do it, especially when he asks for money .. there are many relatives in Ukraine, no one does that .. we just don't talk about politics ..
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 16 February 2021 20: 49
              -2
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              Straight, she calls you herself and immediately "You damned Muscovites, occupants"? Vlad, or the story is fiction (or hard morning) or she calls you from the psychiatric hospital.

              From Kiev, and this is a branch. There is no fiction, but there is sediment.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 16 February 2021 20: 56
              +1
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              there are many relatives in Ukraine, no one does that .. we just don't talk about politics ..

              My cousins ​​were born and live in Lviv, but take off, we say and understand what is happening in / on, they are sane people.
        3. Looking for
          Looking for 16 February 2021 17: 22
          -1
          And who is it “them.” “Their-” is either purebred Russians or having a Russian father.
      2. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 16 February 2021 13: 49
        +2
        Quote: Alien From
        Where do they get such utyrkov in such quantity, I do not understand .......

        Grown from an early age ideologically.
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 16 February 2021 13: 50
        +3
        They do not take them, they themselves are such, with the exception of those who retained a normal sane mind. This is called the degeneration of the nation.
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 16 February 2021 14: 31
          +3
          This "degeneration of the nation" has already taken place. Nation, it is more pleasant to be slaves than to build and develop your country. And it does not matter where exactly to "grovel" - in the EU or in the Russian Federation. Important is payment. It's simple ... They are so comfortable.
          1. Machito
            Machito 16 February 2021 15: 01
            0
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            This "degeneration of the nation" has already taken place. Nation, it is more pleasant to be slaves than to build and develop your country. And it does not matter where exactly to "grovel" - in the EU or in the Russian Federation. Important is payment. It's simple ... They are so comfortable.

            In Russia - guys, in Ukraine - lads, slaves.
            As you name the yacht, so it will float. (C) Captain Vrungel.
    4. Finches
      Finches 16 February 2021 13: 50
      +7
      On the face of this Arestovich, without any theory of Lombroso, it is clear that he is a narrow-minded Nazi and a fascist, who by the word "preference" means only one thing - the violent Selyuk Ukrainization of the Russian Donbass, and at the same time grabbing into his sweaty hands all the assets there! True, he does not catch up, due to natural stupidity that the United States stuck him in a three-contact group - so as not to look for real diplomatic solutions, but idiocy proposals, to which more than one normal person would not agree, in order to prolong this conflict in spite of Russia! In a couple of him they stuck a complete senile Kravchuk, who lives the first half of the day with memories of his presidency, and spends the second half of the day in fantasies, where he sees himself as the new hetman of all Ukraine - with them, in general, the only one who can agree is a psychiatrist! laughing
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 February 2021 14: 23
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        that the United States stuck him into the three-contact group - so as not to look for real diplomatic solutions, but idiocy proposals.

        According to the principle "I have that big-titted one, she is dumber."
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 16 February 2021 14: 31
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        On the face of this Arestovich, without any theory of Lombroso, one can see

        Don't jump to conclusions, check out:
        For three years he lied about Donbass, for a year he scolded Zelensky. Who was made the "voice" of the Ukrainian delegation in Minsk

        https://strana.ua/news/297721-aleksej-arestovich-spiker-tkh-v-minske-biohrafija-blohera-kotoryj-vral-o-donbasse.html
        1. Looking for
          Looking for 16 February 2021 17: 29
          -1
          so they needed someone who could lie to the people without blushing.
      3. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 16 February 2021 14: 40
        +3
        I was always amazed at the idle talk in most Ukrainians. They say complete nonsense, continuous vows and promises. If you ask a clarifying question about responsibility, terms of performance and guarantees, they instantly get lost and begin to play around and get out, rejecting their own words. I just want to - just kick in the face - to be responsible for my words. Yes, I don't want to be a humble. You send it further and leave. This "ExpErd" is the same. A lot of empty words, no specifics and no responsibility.
  2. Destiny
    Destiny 16 February 2021 13: 41
    +11
    frank substitution of concepts

    this is what the independent seven years have already been doing.
  3. cniza
    cniza 16 February 2021 13: 43
    +4
    Why the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG stubbornly refuses to follow the simplest scenario - to fulfill the Minsk agreements - the speaker of the delegation did not say.


    Because they do not solve anything, and it was not profitable for the owner, now there is no time ...
  4. Alexander X
    Alexander X 16 February 2021 13: 44
    +7
    Verbiage is one. It has long been obvious to everyone who thinks independently that in the event of the seizure of the LDPR by the ukrofascists, there will be a total extermination of the population of these republics. Only the separation of the LDNR from Ukraine and their support by Russia will save the population of the republics from extinction, and the republics themselves will finally begin to develop and heal their wounds ...
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 16 February 2021 17: 35
      -1
      the delay of one-this does not depend on the republics. And the longer the Russian Federation does not take decisive steps, the stronger the disappointment of the population of the republics.
  5. Tagan
    Tagan 16 February 2021 13: 45
    +4
    “Several options for reaching a compromise on Donbass”.
    Not in that ukroreykh position to offer options. He only has to perform. And without amateur performances.
  6. iouris
    iouris 16 February 2021 13: 47
    +4
    Discussion with these is inappropriate.
  7. garik77
    garik77 16 February 2021 13: 49
    +3
    Arestovich seems to be a noble herb smoker. Constantly either blatant delirium or blatant propaganda
    1. Tzar
      Tzar 16 February 2021 13: 54
      +2
      Then they put him there so that there was a talker who suits the Natsiks. And then after the cautious phrases of the previous representative of Fokin, they almost lifted Zeliboba on a pitchfork.
  8. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 February 2021 13: 51
    +5
    Judging by the expression on his face, this Arestovich prefers not TCG, but THC - tetrahydrocannabinol, the main active ingredient in hashish and marijuana.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 16 February 2021 13: 53
      +1
      Well, you think people have messed up the letters in places, then the substance is acting. laughing
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 February 2021 14: 21
      0
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      tetrahydrocannabinol, the main active ingredient in hashish and marijuana.

      "Gashik" I doubt it, but it definitely accepts the Marika.
      1. Machito
        Machito 16 February 2021 15: 04
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        tetrahydrocannabinol, the main active ingredient in hashish and marijuana.

        "Gashik" I doubt it, but it definitely accepts the Marika.

        Where is Marya Ivanovna to him? He will not move away from the Maidan seagull. It was a painfully zaboristy gull.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 February 2021 16: 17
          0
          Quote: Bearded
          He will not move away from the Maidan seagull. It was a painfully zaboristy gull.

          Probably you are right, as during Yushcha they grabbed a seagull, so it is still koldybaset.
  9. helloween
    helloween 16 February 2021 13: 54
    +4
    a combination of three fingers !!! to this Ukrainian talker
  10. aars
    aars 16 February 2021 13: 58
    +3
    Either something is wrong, or the dill has finally lost touch with reality.
    Why put forward proposals that are not going to pass?
  11. Redsun
    Redsun 16 February 2021 13: 59
    +3
    It is a special pleasure to watch as these flawed try to fulfill the Minsk agreements, while not fulfilling them. But what about: you leave Minsk, so from Russia and sanctions of what good will be removed, but it is impossible to do it - good health. Only the people of Donbass are sorry. All this madness would be over as soon as possible, no matter which way
  12. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 16 February 2021 14: 00
    +4
    He probably himself did not understand what he was talking about, the verbiage is complete like all the other maggots.
  13. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 16 February 2021 14: 14
    +1
    And people in Donetsk and Lugansk, yes, sorry. We got it for a reason. And no intelligible prospects.
  14. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 16 February 2021 14: 18
    0
    According to him, "the occupied regions would receive economic preferences after integration - such preferences as in all other regions of Ukraine."

    In translation from the Ukrainian language, "the regions occupied by Ukraine will receive concentration camps."
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 16 February 2021 14: 28
    0
    Speaker of the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG: "Russia was invited to refuse to support the idea of ​​a special status of special areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions"

    what does the entot pop-eyed want? what do they all want there?
    to whom is it interesting?
  16. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 16 February 2021 14: 41
    0
    Any preferences after this what Bandera have done?
    Do not tell my sneakers.

    First, we will agree, then we will hang, this is their principle.
  17. bar
    bar 16 February 2021 14: 43
    0
    Russia was invited to refuse to support the idea of ​​a special status of special areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions

    Simple as three kopecks. And the residents of the DPR / LPR have not been offered anything? Klovuny ...
  18. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 16 February 2021 14: 44
    +1
    He can offer his wife what toilet paper to buy.
  19. Cowbra
    Cowbra 16 February 2021 14: 51
    +1
    Correctly. And to recognize the state of New Russia. And then some areas ... Areas ...
  20. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 16 February 2021 14: 53
    +1

    Ukraine offered Russia "several options for reaching a compromise on Donbass."




    There are only two options, either the implementation of the Minsk agreements signed by Ukraine, or the war.
  21. Guru
    Guru 16 February 2021 14: 57
    0
    Aleksey Arestovich, speaker of the Ukrainian representation in the so-called Trilateral Contact Group (TCG), said that Ukraine had offered Russia “several options for reaching a compromise on Donbass”.
    Well, no, just look, this Man. (I cannot name it otherwise) thinks that he is the smartest, setting up "political traps", these tricks like "Substitution of concepts", "Golden Bridges" have long been known to us.
  22. Platon
    Platon 16 February 2021 14: 59
    +1
    Immediately obvious - clowns are in power
  23. Growlers
    Growlers 16 February 2021 15: 53
    +7
    A failed military man whose writer no one reads wants to become a politician or at least an important official in the service of the colonial administration of Ukraine
  24. yfast
    yfast 16 February 2021 16: 12
    +1
    How to get them to abandon Minsk? And then they will be chatting for another half a century. And they are not going to do it.
  25. APASUS
    APASUS 16 February 2021 16: 20
    0
    What can Ukraine offer Donbass, in any direction?
    Education, culture, language, religion, economy or finance, social sphere, ideology ......................... but nothing!
    This is not even a question of the Minsk agreements.
  26. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 16 February 2021 16: 28
    0
    guys, are you not asked to go to ....?
  27. kebzuref
    kebzuref 16 February 2021 16: 45
    0
    This is a degenerate dreamer, why are you publishing this moron ???
  28. art266
    art266 16 February 2021 16: 57
    +1
    It is really necessary to give up the special status within Ukraine.
    Donbass is not Ukraine at all.
  29. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 16 February 2021 19: 30
    0
    Arestovich is an ordinary "city madman", who are now in Banderland, a lot of them have seized power and to the trough. His words do not mean anything at all)))
  30. Kelwin
    Kelwin 17 February 2021 06: 04
    0
    “The occupied regions would receive economic preferences after integration - the same preferences as in all other regions of Ukraine.”

    Illegitimate nickname?))
  31. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 February 2021 08: 40
    -1
    Why the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG stubbornly refuses to follow the simplest scenario - to fulfill the Minsk agreements - the speaker of the delegation did not say.
    because the task of the Minsk agreements was completely different and this task of the agreement was fulfilled, now the Sumerians no longer need them