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Army special forces will receive armored vehicles "Tiger-M" with a combat module capable of shooting down drones

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Army special forces will receive armored vehicles "Tiger-M" with a combat module capable of shooting down drones

The army special forces will be armed with the Tiger-M armored vehicle with the Arbalet-DM combat module capable of shooting down drones. As reported "News" with reference to the Ministry of Defense, armored vehicles have already been tested.


"Tiger-M" with BM "Arbalet-DM" were tested by units of the army special forces in the south of the country. The tests were recognized as successful; as a result, the Ministry of Defense decided to equip special forces in other military districts with armored vehicles. It is reported that in 2021 armored cars with the Arbalet-DM combat module will receive army special forces and reconnaissance of the Western and Central military districts.

It is noted that the combat module "Arbalet-DM" with a large-caliber 12,7 mm machine gun, thanks to full stabilization and software, perfectly knocks drones down not only from a place, but also in motion. The software installed on the BM allows you to automatically capture and track aerial targets, including small drones, and a 12,7 mm bullet, when it hits, almost completely destroys the drone.

On tests carried out in 2020 in the Krasnodar Territory during exercises, a special forces group using the Arbalet-DM BM detected and destroyed the drones of a conventional enemy at a distance of 1,5 km. After the reconnaissance units used the Tiger-M armored vehicles with the Crossbow at the Kavkaz-2020 exercises, it was decided to supply additional batches of armored cars to the troops.

It is noted that a large-caliber machine gun with auto-tracking and good optics is the most practical option for dealing with small drones, which are too small a target for anti-aircraft missile systems, including portable ones and are too far away to be hit by small arms. weapons and "anti-drone" guns.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 16 February 2021 11: 02
    +5
    Well, it is simply necessary to fight with drones nowadays.
    And over time, the troops will be saturated with drones and means of dealing with them.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 16 February 2021 11: 07
      +5
      On tests carried out in 2020 in the Krasnodar Territory during exercises, a special forces group using the Arbalet-DM BM detected and destroyed the drones of a conventional enemy at a distance of 1,5 km. After the reconnaissance units used the Tiger-M armored vehicles with the Crossbow at the Kavkaz-2020 exercises, it was decided to supply additional batches of armored cars to the troops.

      The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation already uploaded a video with a similar action 3 years ago.
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly 16 February 2021 12: 03
        +5
        Hanging 150 meters away, bullshit ...
      2. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 16 February 2021 13: 09
        -1
        Quote: Thrall
        The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation already uploaded a video with a similar action 3 years ago.

        in three years more will be posted ...
      3. Intruder
        Intruder 17 February 2021 18: 03
        0
        About the Russian Federation already 3 years ago, a video with a similar action was uploaded.
        I wonder how many takes were done before this, with a drone weighing in ideal shooting conditions, plus they were sniffing at a civilian copter several times ... , in fog or at night, etc.!?
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 16 February 2021 12: 21
      +2
      Those who send this car to the army and accept, you need to judge. The Tiger does not have mine protection, armor plates are hung on any SUV after a little tweaking. In fact, he is just an SUV, his role is to drive in the deep rear.
      It is possible to destroy a drone at a distance of 1,5 km from a 12,7 machine gun only by accident. Reality a couple of hundred meters having spent the floor of the BC and then if it weighs on the spot. What is demonstrated on the video.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 16 February 2021 13: 15
        +1
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        It is possible to destroy a drone at a distance of 1,5 km from a 12,7 machine gun only by accident

        remembering "tank biathlon" and firing a machine gun at a "helicopter" ... oh ...
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 16 February 2021 13: 21
          -5
          Quote: Aerodrome
          shooting a machine gun at a "helicopter" ... oh ...

          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 16 February 2021 13: 25
            -3
            mmmda ... if only it was "bayraktar tv2" percussion ... yes not one ... what are the chances of the "shell"?
            1. Israel
              Israel 17 February 2021 13: 41
              0
              would have shot down bayraktar tv2 by firing missiles.
          2. Disant
            Disant 16 February 2021 16: 17
            -4
            this video is at least 8 years old. These are the first modifications to the carapace.
            1. syndicalist
              syndicalist 17 February 2021 07: 32
              -1
              Quote: Disant
              ... These are the first modifications to the carapace.

              So the new ones in Karabakh flashed
              1. Disant
                Disant 17 February 2021 09: 28
                +1
                syndicalist Dimon, what about Karabakh?
                Doesn't it give you sleep? Are you posting your comments incoherently anywhere?
                What are the shells in Karabakh ?? Spreading gossip?
                1. Disant
                  Disant 17 February 2021 09: 35
                  -2

                  Disant
                  this video is at least 8 years old. These are the first modifications to the carapace.

                  .
                  uh-yy wai, why minus from anger, I WILL REPEAT:
                  this video is at least 8 years old. These are the first modifications to the carapace.
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv57h6fZqvA&feature=youtu.be
                  .
                  laughing
            2. businessv
              businessv 17 February 2021 12: 53
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              Quote: Disant
              this video is at least 8 years old. These are the first modifications to the carapace.
              It doesn't matter, colleague! Due to the fact that nothing changes in the trunks of the Shell. Shooting bursts with such a rate of fire and such a caliber cannot be aimed - the bullets fly not in a "string", but in a "swarm" - at random.
              1. Disant
                Disant 17 February 2021 23: 10
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                in the trunks of the Shell, nothing changes.

                1.new chassis with adjustable stiffness
                2. 30-mm shells with remote detonation on the trajectory - from the Moscow NPO Pribor - were to be tested in 2019-20.
                1. businessv
                  businessv 18 February 2021 00: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Disant
                  30-mm shells with remote detonation on the trajectory - from the Moscow NPO Pribor - were to be tested in 2019-20.
                  A couple of years ago they discussed here, but even then there was a dilemma of cost and expediency of their creation. We have already tested 57 mm, but I do not know the 30s, whether they were finished or dropped.
                  1. Disant
                    Disant 18 February 2021 12: 50
                    0
                    they are very much needed. Yes, if they appear, then it will be a sensation - everyone will be on the ears - meet in every new or modernized BMP / BMD / BTR of the country.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 17 February 2021 18: 06
        0
        Reality a couple of hundred meters having spent the floor of the BC and then if it weighs on the spot. What is demonstrated on the video.
        this is the second copter weighs, for the second tape laughing I believe in the theory of large numbers, if you make the minimum - five takes with shooting, and spend under 500 units. ammunition, you can get cool footage of guaranteed destruction of this type of drone !?
  2. SaLaR
    SaLaR 16 February 2021 11: 05
    0
    I can't understand why the special forces? ... usually they operate behind enemy lines ...
    1. Petrik66
      Petrik66 16 February 2021 12: 54
      -1
      The British (commandos) made the comrades in Africa a big bar boom in jeeps, though on Lenrovers.
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 16 February 2021 12: 57
        +2
        the task of army special forces is reconnaissance, not air defense
    2. Old tanker
      Old tanker 16 February 2021 13: 30
      0
      You still have to get to the rear of the enemy.
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 16 February 2021 13: 45
        +2
        Well, if you do air defense work, then you definitely won't get there ...
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 16 February 2021 13: 52
          +1
          So am I about it
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 16 February 2021 17: 30
        +2
        Quote: Old Tanker
        You still have to get to the rear of the enemy.

        How do they get there? The simplest is the abandonment method, when the group remains in the territory occupied by the enemy; infiltration across the front line; landing with parachutes; landing from a helicopter - including with the use of a cross-country vehicle, which was located in the helicopter, then - a jerk from the landing site, the car is masked, and then - with its legs; you can simply drive in ZiL between the hotbeds of "tension" to the place from where you can walk to the area of ​​reconnaissance. But in no case do I see these wunder-waffes for fighting drones. Why are they?
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 16 February 2021 17: 56
          -1
          It's funny that ordinary people have such an idea about the withdrawal of special forces groups to the task. It's good that the men don't know about this.
          I especially liked the helicopter with the SUV.
          But this prodigy is hardly needed for special intelligence tasks.
          But in the case of use as elite assault groups,
          as we have some special forces, commanders, may come in handy.
          Why would they be surprised if we have a builder and the Ministry of Defense in command. There was a stool, and a bricklayer was appointed to replace him.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 16 February 2021 19: 59
            +2
            Quote: Old Tanker
            It's funny that ordinary people have such an idea about the withdrawal of special forces groups to the task. It's good that the men don't know about this.
            I especially liked the helicopter with the SUV.
            But this prodigy is hardly needed for special intelligence tasks.
            But in the case of use as elite assault groups,
            as we have some special forces, commanders, may come in handy.
            Why would they be surprised if we have a builder and the Ministry of Defense in command. There was a stool, and a bricklayer was appointed to replace him.

            Well, it’s not you, of course, that I’m a common man, life has written it down, so I’m not offended. Do you know anything about the "withdrawal" of special forces groups? A helicopter with an off-road vehicle is a regular job of the deep reconnaissance company, if that. Until the 83rd year, it seems. It's a shame, my friend, not to know.
            1. Old tanker
              Old tanker 16 February 2021 22: 42
              0
              Until the 83rd did not serve. Since then, much water has flowed under the bridge and technical means have stepped far forward. Perhaps there was such a method. At the show in Tushino they liked to demonstrate such landings. And such shots are walking both on television and in the internet. Enchanting of course. Now paratroopers on quadrics are doing this on show.
              With the current control of the airspace by various means, this method of withdrawing reconnaissance groups is now unacceptable. Yes, and such a thing as the "Crossbow" parachute system ensures greater secrecy of the group's withdrawal to the task.
              And yes. I know something about the withdrawal of reconnaissance groups, including special intelligence, and the provision of this withdrawal. Even familiar with one scientific work on this issue. Yes, imagine and there are such.
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 17 February 2021 20: 20
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                Quote: Old Tanker
                Until the 83rd did not serve. Since then, much water has flowed under the bridge and technical means have stepped far forward. Perhaps there was such a method. At the show in Tushino they liked to demonstrate such landings. And such shots are walking both on television and in the internet. Enchanting of course. Now paratroopers on quadrics are doing this on show.
                With the current control of the airspace by various means, this method of withdrawing reconnaissance groups is now unacceptable. Yes, and such a thing as the "Crossbow" parachute system ensures greater secrecy of the group's withdrawal to the task.
                And yes. I know something about the withdrawal of reconnaissance groups, including special intelligence, and the provision of this withdrawal. Even familiar with one scientific work on this issue. Yes, imagine and there are such.

                Alas, you know nothing. The parachute method (no matter what parachute with) is not considered from the word at all. Well, there are exceptions, of course, but they are not typical. I received the qualification Master of using special intelligence units of the Airborne Forces (we did not belong to the Airborne Forces, but the VUS was such) in the 89th, so is it worth arguing with me? I'm just in the subject, and you are not. Nothing new has been invented since then, which I probably would not know.
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 18 February 2021 06: 12
                  +1
                  Well, well.
                  They amused me with their posts no worse than Vinokur. Thank.
                  It's good that you are a master of application. You can't argue with a master. On this I otkoanivatsya.
            2. businessv
              businessv 17 February 2021 13: 02
              0
              Quote: Doliva63
              A helicopter with an off-road vehicle is a regular job of the deep reconnaissance company, if that.
              No, colleague, there was no SUV and not a mouth, but groups. And what does "deep" mean? In the rear? There are usually illegal immigrants. Frontline reconnaissance helicopters are of no use at all. Noisy and noticeable. But with the development of today's technology, all these troubles will be replaced by a pair of drones. You can hit them and spy on them. smile
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 17 February 2021 20: 28
                -2
                Quote: businessv
                Quote: Doliva63
                A helicopter with an off-road vehicle is a regular job of the deep reconnaissance company, if that.
                No, colleague, there was no SUV and not a mouth, but groups. And what does "deep" mean? In the rear? There are usually illegal immigrants. Frontline reconnaissance helicopters are of no use at all. Noisy and noticeable. But with the development of today's technology, all these troubles will be replaced by a pair of drones. You can hit them and spy on them. smile

                Colleague, you say? laughing Colleagues know that in the ORB of divisions of the USSR Armed Forces, the 3rd company was called a deep reconnaissance company. And there were SUVs - GAZ / UAZ-69. And also colleagues know that all the groups were simply called reconnaissance - in a regimental company, in special forces, in deep reconnaissance companies. Why go there, where you don't understand anything?
                1. businessv
                  businessv 17 February 2021 21: 25
                  -1
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Colleague, you say? Colleagues know that in the ORB of divisions of the USSR Armed Forces, the 3rd company was called a deep reconnaissance company.
                  Well, firstly, not you, but you, and secondly, I meant a colleague in the VO chat, but I see that I called it in vain, forget - a couple of such "colleagues" and enemies are not needed. A separate reconnaissance battalion of the division included 4 companies, the 3rd was called RDR - reconnaissance - airborne company, which was really originally planned to be called a deep reconnaissance company, and in each company, except for the combat reconnaissance vehicle of the BRM-1K company commanders, there were no more company transport, was divisional. And if you do not understand the post, first ask what was meant.
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Why go there, where you don’t understand anything?
                  A similar question.hi
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 18 February 2021 18: 42
                    0
                    Quote: businessv
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Colleague, you say? Colleagues know that in the ORB of divisions of the USSR Armed Forces, the 3rd company was called a deep reconnaissance company.
                    Well, firstly, not you, but you, and secondly, I meant a colleague in the VO chat, but I see that I called it in vain, forget - a couple of such "colleagues" and enemies are not needed. A separate reconnaissance battalion of the division included 4 companies, the 3rd was called RDR - reconnaissance - airborne company, which was really originally planned to be called a deep reconnaissance company, and in each company, except for the combat reconnaissance vehicle of the BRM-1K company commanders, there were no more company transport, was divisional. And if you do not understand the post, first ask what was meant.
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Why go there, where you don’t understand anything?
                    A similar question.hi

                    Did you serve in the intelligence battalion, "colleague"? The answer is clear. laughing RDR appeared, if sclerosis does not lie, in 83rd, before them it was the deep reconnaissance companies. In 68, my father commanded such a company when there were well-known events in Czechoslovakia. Then it was in this company (which was recorded in the Historical Form of the unit) that I got to serve, but it was already called RDR. And they made fun of transport! laughing In the first two companies, all transport - infantry fighting vehicles and tanks and one armored personnel carrier, like; in the third - armored personnel carriers and BRDM-2; the whole fourth was on the GAZ-66 (I will not say the name of the complex that stood on them). About 5 BRMs were still in the surveillance reconnaissance platoon. Well, there was also a platoon of MTO - several ZIL-131, ZMZ-555, a couple of UAZ-469. Oh, yes. A communications platoon - there were the "Chaika". I hope I answered your "similar question"? laughing Divorced, damn it, "colleagues".
                    1. businessv
                      businessv 19 February 2021 13: 59
                      0
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      Divorced, damn it, "colleagues".

                      That's for sure! We listed all the transport assigned by the division and coped! WELL DONE! laughing I’ll ask you especially for you, is it easier for you: did your soldiers work on PCBs in the unit's park, or in the divisional one? In short, from an anecdote: drink, political officer, just don't say anything else! smile
                      1. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 19 February 2021 19: 16
                        -1
                        Quote: businessv
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        Divorced, damn it, "colleagues".

                        That's for sure! We listed all the transport assigned by the division and coped! WELL DONE! laughing I’ll ask you especially for you, is it easier for you: did your soldiers work on PCBs in the unit's park, or in the divisional one? In short, from an anecdote: drink, political officer, just don't say anything else! smile

                        Strange question, right. They worked on PCBs with their own equipment. I apologize for the former attitude towards you, but later you indicated that you served in the ORB. We are really colleagues drinks But the fact is that the ORBs were different, probably based on the theater of operations. I saw different ones: somewhere the RDR consisted of reconnaissance and assault inputs, somewhere from airborne assault. Somewhere these platoons consisted of reconnaissance assault squads, somewhere from reconnaissance assault groups. Somewhere in the special forces platoon there were just reconnaissance groups, and somewhere - on "Realiy". Everywhere it was different. At one time I was the commander of the 2nd platoon, that is, mine was the 4th reconnaissance group. We had a rotation every 6 months, they asked for the 4th group). I'm not bragging. I was just a fan. I already told you here: the exercises of the forces and means of reconnaissance have passed, on the parade ground some colonel calls me out of action and says - so, such a seemingly puny one made all of you! That's what it means - a graduate of Ryazan! They tell him that this is a graduate of the political ... The colonel is shocked for a second, then he found himself: like, if a graduate of the political can, you can do even more! Now prove that you are better. Honestly, many years have passed, something has been forgotten, something has become confused. But when in 89 we were offered a "confrontation" with a company of rangers of the 75th regiment, we simply tore them out - they then said that we were using cadets of a specialized military school, and not regular military personnel - we found it funny. Judged the meeting of the chief intelligence officer of the British Rhine Army, forgot his name, he took our side. RDR is the same company of special forces, but with different means of communication.
                2. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 18 February 2021 06: 28
                  +1
                  Doliva63, Was this subtracted on Wikipedia? The 3rd orb company was called the reconnaissance landing (RDR). And yes, it performed deep reconnaissance missions, but it was never officially called a "deep reconnaissance" company. And imagine, the fighters of this company made jumps and practiced, including the parachute method of launching.
                  But you are a master, you know better. laughing good
                  1. businessv
                    businessv 18 February 2021 10: 21
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                    Quote: Old Tankman
                    But you are a master, you know better.

                    laughing I know better, SAVO 77-79, ORB, 3rd company, 2nd platoon, deputy commander. Got it!
                  2. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 18 February 2021 19: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Old Tanker
                    Doliva63, Was this subtracted on Wikipedia? The 3rd orb company was called the reconnaissance landing (RDR). And yes, it performed deep reconnaissance missions, but it was never officially called a "deep reconnaissance" company. And imagine, the fighters of this company made jumps and practiced, including the parachute method of launching.
                    But you are a master, you know better. laughing good

                    It gets boring. Okay, when they write something horrible after an urgent one (I always forgive these) or those who did not serve in the army, but you graduated from VU! I have never heard the term "deep exploration" since 83, it did not exist. Have you heard or met in the documents in the army? That's the same. I was the political officer of the RDR, then, according to the report, I transferred to the commander of an airborne assault platoon, then again deputy, but this time for airborne training. What else can you tell me about RDR? laughing Like children, right.
                    1. Old tanker
                      Old tanker 18 February 2021 19: 31
                      +1
                      Believe it or not, I also graduated from the academy.
                      But ...
                      For the "master", in secret, before the army I was 2,5 meters tall and in general a Negro laughing laughing laughing
                      1. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 18 February 2021 19: 47
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                        Quote: Old Tanker
                        Believe it or not, I also graduated from the academy.
                        But ...
                        For the "master", in secret, before the army I was 2,5 meters tall and in general a Negro laughing laughing laughing

                        The academy did not add any intelligence knowledge to you, it's sad.
                      2. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 18 February 2021 19: 55
                        0
                        And the academy does not give knowledge at all. I am sad with you about the mediocre lost years laughing laughing
                      3. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 18 February 2021 20: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Old Tanker
                        And the academy does not give knowledge at all. I am sad with you about the mediocre lost years laughing laughing

                        But what opportunities! My classmate's dad after the academy left for Cuba as a deputy resident. What's funny is that he entered the academy from the very position from which I quit, I literally sat in his chair. laughing
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                      6. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 18 February 2021 20: 37
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                        The beginning of the army's stirring up is yes. The most worker in the fields, in the most difficult area at the head of the most stupid reconnaissance group.
                      7. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 19 February 2021 18: 07
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                        Quote: Old Tanker
                        The beginning of the army's stirring up is yes. The most worker in the fields, in the most difficult area at the head of the most stupid reconnaissance group.

                        A strange joke. Minus, sorry.
                      8. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 19 February 2021 19: 48
                        +1
                        And for what a minus? It is not the job of the chief of intelligence of the army to rush about in the fields. Well, only if, because of his stupidity, as an organizer, all the intelligence groups fucked up, then lead the last remaining one. Potma and stupid, that first of all they send smart ones.
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 18 February 2021 06: 21
    +1
    The companies are there. Groups are analogous to a platoon / squad.
    Deep exploration - it is deep. Imagine even there are deep reconnaissance companies in our army. Reconnaissance zones are divided into overview and detailed. The higher the level of the control, the greater the depth of these zones. So the deep reconnaissance companies carry out tasks from the zone of the division and above.
    1. businessv
      businessv 18 February 2021 13: 31
      -2
      Quote: Old Tankman
      So the deep reconnaissance companies carry out tasks from the zone of the division and above.

      Oh, excuse me, I spilled on you a post that was intended for Doliva63. Invents h.z. that, and even trying to get personal. Sorry for the inattention!
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 18 February 2021 19: 28
      -1
      Quote: Old Tanker
      The companies are there. Groups are analogous to a platoon / squad.
      Deep exploration - it is deep. Imagine even there are deep reconnaissance companies in our army. Reconnaissance zones are divided into overview and detailed. The higher the level of the control, the greater the depth of these zones. So the deep reconnaissance companies carry out tasks from the zone of the division and above.

      Once again for those who did not study well: there is no deep intelligence. No. There is no survey or detailed reconnaissance. I'm not going to conduct a free educational program, but I will say about the tasks: the divisional RDR had a task in the interests of the division from 75 to 110 km., In the interests of the army - up to 300 km; An army company of special forces, in the interests of the army, worked to a depth of 300, in the interests of the front - up to 500 km, the brigades worked, of course, "at the very least" - this is already strategic intelligence. Well, of course, according to the canons, everything in life was through one place. From personal experience as of the year of dismissal 1991.
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 18 February 2021 19: 33
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        Funny you are a guy.
        Exactly, "master", you do not have what the real is .. but you, oh, master, I believe.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 18 February 2021 19: 57
          0
          Quote: Old Tanker
          Funny you are a guy.
          Exactly, "master", you do not have what the real is .. but you, oh, master, I believe.

          Is there really what? In the secret of the academy, there was probably a book on the Basics of the Use of Reconnaissance Units and Subunits, but you have never seen it in your eyes. Which one of you is a commander, if not at odds with the most important type of combat support? I saw such people after Chechnya - all the chest in crosses, and behind the back - the corpses of soldiers. Because, like, smart, graduated from the academy.
          1. Old tanker
            Old tanker 18 February 2021 20: 07
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            But in reality, oh master, helicopters with SUVs are our everything.
            What do you think for what Serdyukov Iveko / Lynx bought and equipped them with intelligence agencies?
            Precisely for our special forces to rush unidentified along the autobahns of Europe. And they all took them for their own.
            I took into account the experience of the "Brandenburg" regiment in the Ardennes on amerovskih jeeps. And we all scold him ...
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 18 February 2021 20: 09
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            Quote: Old Tanker
            But in reality, oh master, helicopters with SUVs are our everything.
            What do you think for what Serdyukov Iveko / Lynx bought and equipped them with intelligence agencies?
            Precisely for our special forces to rush unidentified along the autobahns of Europe. And they all took them for their own.
            I took into account the experience of the "Brandenburg" regiment in the Ardennes on amerovskih jeeps. And we all scold him ...

            Ah, I got it! Are you, my friend, also drinking beer on the Internet? laughing
          3. Old tanker
            Old tanker 18 February 2021 20: 13
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            That's how I wanted to ask what do you smoke. But it turns out that you are just flattening with beer. Am I pouring, though not from a non-alcoholic?
          4. Doliva63
            Doliva63 18 February 2021 20: 24
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            Quote: Old Tanker
            That's how I wanted to ask what do you smoke. But it turns out that you are just flattening with beer. Am I pouring, though not from a non-alcoholic?

            Well, after the GSVG, how can you flatten with beer? laughing And I smoke homemade tobacco Yubileiny laughing
          5. Old tanker
            Old tanker 18 February 2021 20: 29
            +1
            Well, that's what I understood. Beer with samosad and you are back in the GSVG, in the UAZ-469 in the belly of a helicopter, rush along the autobahns of Europe.
          6. Doliva63
            Doliva63 19 February 2021 18: 05
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            Quote: Old Tanker
            Well, that's what I understood. Beer with samosad and you are back in the GSVG, in the UAZ-469 in the belly of a helicopter, rush along the autobahns of Europe.

            God bless you, I have been retired since 91, I will not have to rush anywhere. All hope is on you - young and stupid.
          7. Old tanker
            Old tanker 19 February 2021 19: 56
            -1
            This is in vain. Where do we go to stupid to the wise masters. We do not know how to rush unnoticed in UAZs on the European autobahns, having fallen from a helicopter. You, smart veterans, have lost your invisible hats on bends. And without them we can not.
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 20 February 2021 10: 56
    +1
    And yes. Of course, you shouldn't conduct an educational program. For an illiterate person cannot eliminate illiteracy.
    I would like to inform you that there are deep reconnaissance companies in the reconnaissance battalions of the current reconnaissance brigades of the armies. Moreover, they are called by the state. They were introduced, like the official concept of "deep exploration", in 2016. Deep reconnaissance stands between military reconnaissance and special reconnaissance.
    The more you write, the more you show your illiteracy.
    One passage
    There is no survey or detailed reconnaissance.
    What's worth!
    Indeed, there is no such intelligence. There are ZONES of detailed and survey reconnaissance, which are defined for each unit, the formation of the combat regulations of the Ground Forces, the first unit "division, brigade, regiment." But why should the "master" know and read the guiding documents. Further, I do not see any sense in communicating. For a long time with you, everything is clear.
    I bow to this. Take care of yourself.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 21 February 2021 18: 51
      +1
      Quote: Old Tanker
      And yes. Of course, you shouldn't conduct an educational program. For an illiterate person cannot eliminate illiteracy.
      I would like to inform you that there are deep reconnaissance companies in the reconnaissance battalions of the current reconnaissance brigades of the armies. Moreover, they are called by the state. They were introduced, like the official concept of "deep exploration", in 2016. Deep reconnaissance stands between military reconnaissance and special reconnaissance.
      The more you write, the more you show your illiteracy.
      One passage
      There is no survey or detailed reconnaissance.
      What's worth!
      Indeed, there is no such intelligence. There are ZONES of detailed and survey reconnaissance, which are defined for each unit, the formation of the combat regulations of the Ground Forces, the first unit "division, brigade, regiment." But why should the "master" know and read the guiding documents. Further, I do not see any sense in communicating. For a long time with you, everything is clear.
      I bow to this. Take care of yourself.

      And you don't have to be ill, of course. hi I wrote about the Soviet years, but you, it turns out, about now. Today I do not know, alas. And I have not read the current BUSV. My only "splash" - for 10 years postponed the reorganization of the RGR into the RDR - well, it happens to be drunk laughing In general, it's amazing how we degrade after being discharged from the army. Okay, no more discussion. soldier
  • Intruder
    Intruder 17 February 2021 18: 09
    0
    But in no case do I see these wunder-waffes for fighting drones. Why are they?
    it is necessary to look at the future, and what if ...!? And so, it is already in service and nothing in the field does not need to be invented ... a far-sighted decision of the RF Ministry of Defense., Although the implementation is still lame, but this is so far .., the hand is stuffed with short ..., or the drones will fill it !!! winked
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 17 February 2021 18: 11
      -2
      Quote: Intruder
      although the implementation is still lame, but this is for now ..,

      1. Intruder
        Intruder 17 February 2021 18: 36
        0
        it's better this way than in the video above: laughing
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 20 February 2021 10: 59
          +1
          Well, in the video above, they fired blanks. I'm sorry about the drone request
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 17 February 2021 20: 59
      +2
      Quote: Intruder
      But in no case do I see these wunder-waffes for fighting drones. Why are they?
      it is necessary to look at the future, and what if ...!? And so, it is already in service and nothing in the field does not need to be invented ... a far-sighted decision of the RF Ministry of Defense., Although the implementation is still lame, but this is so far .., the hand is stuffed with short ..., or the drones will fill it !!! winked

      In the future, intelligence can look for the command post of these drones, but not fight them. Is it clear now? For USE graduates, I will add that intelligence units and units are not combat, they are only combat support. They do not fight, they conduct reconnaissance.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 18 February 2021 15: 36
        +1
        In the future, intelligence can look for the command post of these drones, but not fight them. Is it clear now?
        Very nice! wink about combat support, I know not by hearsay .., by the way, I have never graduated from the Unified State Exam, then we had other schools and universities ... winked
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 18 February 2021 19: 50
          +1
          Quote: Intruder
          In the future, intelligence can look for the command post of these drones, but not fight them. Is it clear now?
          Very nice! wink about combat support, I know not by hearsay .., by the way, I have never graduated from the Unified State Exam, then we had other schools and universities ... winked

          Well then we understand each other drinks
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 18 February 2021 20: 43
            0
            Well then we understand each other
            of course a colleague, not without it ... drinks at the end of my comment a little higher than the last one, there was sarcasm about the "lame" implementation, and the types of weapons are not for reconnaissance in any way, when necessary: ​​"quietly detect and also quietly go into the fog" ... bully
    3. Old tanker
      Old tanker 18 February 2021 14: 20
      +1
      The only place where these vehicles with DUM can come in handy is when evacuating reconnaissance groups. But they were successfully carried out on regular armored personnel carriers, BPM, BRM. And if the intelligence officers got into serious trouble, then they were sent and are sending all available funds to the rescue. Including infantry, tanks and artillery with aviation. And the Tigers with 12,7mm DUM are clearly not a favorite here. So not cheap show-off. And now in the special forces what a cool car.
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 16 February 2021 17: 16
    +2
    Quote: SaLaR
    I can't understand why the special forces? ... usually they operate behind enemy lines ...

    Indeed, complete crap. And the term "army special forces" was applied to separate companies of the special forces, subordinate to the armies, and not to the districts where the brigades were. And this crap there, in these companies, is not needed at all. As they said then, when a scout starts shooting, he is no longer a scout. And I agree - to fight the enemy's drones in his rear is some kind of surrealism. However, apparently, like all current life laughing
    1. SaLaR
      SaLaR 16 February 2021 17: 32
      +3
      Here I am about this ... As we were once hammered into our heads: Silence is a guarantee of health ... and the completion of the task soldier
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 16 February 2021 17: 53
        0
        Quote: SaLaR
        Here I am about this ... As we were once hammered into our heads: Silence is a guarantee of health ... and the completion of the task soldier

        I remember that colonels from Moscow flew in for a check, with each scout individually - show how you will move silently in the forest, how you will put your foot - from toe to heel, or vice versa, how you bend your knees when walking ... -like, I walk quietly, I look under my feet laughing Will this monster also move silently? On tiptoe?
        1. SaLaR
          SaLaR 16 February 2021 17: 56
          0
          Our grandfathers taught us ... oh, how they taught ... especially after lights out laughing
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 17 February 2021 18: 12
            0
            especially after lights out
            they walked on bandages (actually, several layers of winding ...), and with a sliding, semi-attached step ... in modes: cats ... laughing
            1. SaLaR
              SaLaR 17 February 2021 18: 17
              +1
              Wolf trot ... 100 steps fast step ... 100 steps running ... and so on for days at the races ... and 40 kg on the shoulders ... soldier
    2. Old tanker
      Old tanker 16 February 2021 18: 05
      0
      Well, you remembered the times when special forces were only in the Armed Forces. And when "spetsnaz" even has customs, the phrase army spetsnaz is referred to as spetsnaz of the RF Armed Forces.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 16 February 2021 20: 03
        0
        Quote: Old Tanker
        Well, you remembered the times when special forces were only in the Armed Forces. And when "spetsnaz" even has customs, the phrase army spetsnaz is referred to as spetsnaz of the RF Armed Forces.

        Okay, but why does the "special forces of the RF Armed Forces" need this crap? laughing
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 16 February 2021 22: 43
          0
          I don't know that.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 17 February 2021 20: 31
            +1
            Quote: Old Tanker
            I don't know that.

            So, here our opinions coincided drinks I mean, don't fucking need it.
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 17 February 2021 07: 38
        0
        Quote: Old Tankman
        when "special forces" even have customs,

        It didn't even occur to me. But it is true - for the customs "special forces" the most in the subject piece!
        1. SaLaR
          SaLaR 17 February 2021 18: 18
          +2
          Two special forces from the construction battalion, replace the escovator drinks
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 17 February 2021 18: 43
            +1
            Two special forces from the construction battalion, replacing the escovator
            and one sapper "spirit" - replaces two! drinks
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 February 2021 11: 06
    0
    From a machine gun on duty, the task is still the same!
    Let's see what happens.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 16 February 2021 11: 16
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Let's see what happens.

      So already "something happened":
      It is noted that heavy machine gun с auto-tracking and good optics is the most practical option for dealing with small drones

      The same skeet shooting in the "army version" ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 February 2021 11: 29
        +4
        Shot on a plate, the most effective ... a rapid-fire machine gun can also create a good swarm, but with increasing distance, the scattering cone spreads very much.
        Nobody will use special ammunition, and ordinary ammunition is not ice, this is a fact.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 16 February 2021 11: 40
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          Nobody will use special ammunition

          Service in 272 MSE was not in vain. I remember telling. Probably, in this case, when shooting at low-flying low-speed targets, I will use special ammunition.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 16 February 2021 11: 45
            0
            Special ammunition is ... not for every day, in short, due to their high cost, in comparison with the combined arms "consumer goods".
            Boom with realists, this is how it will be, in real life ... although, this real may not come!
        2. Old tanker
          Old tanker 16 February 2021 13: 54
          0
          At such a distance from a 12,7mm machine gun to a helicopter with one bullet out of 20 is not bad, but three is generally excellent !!!
        3. Intruder
          Intruder 17 February 2021 18: 15
          +1
          Shot on a plate, the most effective
          150 or 1 500 m.!? wink The machine gun is good - for a low-maneuvering air target, but with amendments ..., only at the same time the consumption of high ammunition ... request
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 February 2021 08: 31
            +1
            Each "tool" has its own correct application!
            Snow can be removed even in ten shovels, the use of a shovel is correct, but one scraper can handle it faster! The truth is not everywhere crawl through, unlike a janitor with a shovel!
            In short, there is a time and a place for everything.
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 17 February 2021 07: 40
        0
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The same skeet shooting in the "army version" ...

        If the plate flies closer and does not move
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 16 February 2021 11: 29
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      From a machine gun on duty, the task is still the same! Let's see what happens.

      Already obtained.
      During the exercise, a special forces group, using the Arbalet-DM BM, detected and destroyed the drones of a conventional enemy at a distance of 1,5 km.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 February 2021 11: 37
        +2
        Anything can be ... cartridges, for display, could be used better than later, which will be.
        These are not statements, just experience suggests that .... in short, then, in reality, it may not work out so beautifully.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 16 February 2021 12: 07
        +4
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: rocket757
        From a machine gun on duty, the task is still the same! Let's see what happens.

        Already obtained.

        I doubt it however.
    3. Old tanker
      Old tanker 16 February 2021 13: 40
      +8
      Considering the dispersion of bullets on the NSVT, I don’t believe that by 1500 for a small drone.
      According to the anti-aircraft machine gun firing exercise.
      The target is a helicopter (!) At an altitude of 110-20m
      Target range: 1500-1300
      Ammunition: 20 rounds
      Rating: hit the target with 3 (!) Bullets - excellent (!), Good -2, beats. -one!!!
      In the helicopter from 12,7 machine gun 20 rounds at 1500m, you still have to manage to get at least one bullet !!! Into the helicopter, Karl! Not a drone.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 17 February 2021 18: 18
        +1
        In the helicopter from 12,7 machine gun 20 rounds at 1500m, you still have to manage to get at least one bullet !!! Into the helicopter, Karl! Not a drone.
        Well, Kord, NSVT will be a little better !? by air, if it speaks about dispersion ... although on a small scale it is yes, not an option at 1 m, over the edge, fantastic, simple! wink
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 February 2021 08: 36
          +1
          It is not in vain that special cartridges should go for sniper! Better quality, but obviously more expensive!
          Everyone, I think, knows that ammunition is also different ... "elite" and for other other needs, lower class, cheaper!
          So, the "elite" will quickly run out and you will have to use "consumer goods" .... the shooting results will clearly change, not for the better. This is an objective reality.
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 16 February 2021 11: 45
    0
    The software installed on the BM allows you to automatically capture and track aerial targets, including small drones,

    Have you made an automatic target tracking? Is it possible in such a small size? Or just remote control of the module. Unclear.
  • Runway
    Runway 16 February 2021 11: 45
    0
    The depth of work of the ORB of district subordination ...
    The depth of work of the RB divisional link / corps ....
    Firing reconnaissance on a drone in a raid? Controlling your rear areas and approaches to objects from a drone is, yes, an ambush.
    To enable reconnaissance to detect the UAV earlier (360 ° air control) - yes.
    Fucking on a blah from a large one = "I'm here", "put up barriers, send pg."
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 16 February 2021 17: 38
      0
      Quote: WFP
      The depth of work of the ORB of district subordination ...
      The depth of work of the RB divisional link / corps ....
      Firing reconnaissance on a drone in a raid? Controlling your rear areas and approaches to objects from a drone is, yes, an ambush.
      To enable reconnaissance to detect the UAV earlier (360 ° air control) - yes.
      Fucking on a blah from a large one = "I'm here", "put up barriers, send pg."

      What, there is already an ORB corps and district subordination? belay
      1. Runway
        Runway 16 February 2021 23: 59
        -1
        OBrsn naturally (described, implying the work of the detachment as a unit).
        Where did AK have special forces - indicated RB (where he is in the state and for which RO will work).
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 17 February 2021 20: 41
          0
          Quote: WFP
          OBrsn naturally (described, implying the work of the detachment as a unit).
          Where did AK have special forces - indicated RB (where he is in the state and for which RO will work).

          Have you seen the AK staff with a separate RB? Me not. Show or give a link. But the special forces company was in some. If you yourself did not serve in the AK, do not strain to answer. I will understand you drinks
          1. Runway
            Runway 17 February 2021 23: 29
            -1
            Sorry, but you didn't read me carefully. I indicated RB division / AK. You will find where I indicated the ORB in the AK - indicate, I will go behind the parapet. laughing
            I am not a Red Army soldier, the fact is, all the army power was behind my back in the form of bully.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 18 February 2021 19: 06
              0
              Quote: WFP
              Sorry, but you didn't read me carefully. I indicated RB division / AK. You will find where I indicated the ORB in the AK - indicate, I will go behind the parapet. laughing
              I am not a Red Army soldier, the fact is, all the army power was behind my back in the form of bully.

              Okay, so misunderstood, sorry hi
  • czes
    czes 16 February 2021 12: 24
    +1
    "... the combat module" Arbalet-DM "with a large-caliber 12,7 mm machine gun ... perfectly knocks down drones not only from a place, but also in motion." 30mm Carapace cannot (only missiles), but "Crossbow-DM" can? )))
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 16 February 2021 13: 50
      -1
      Do not read, sir, the morning papers laughing
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 17 February 2021 18: 21
      0
      perfectly knocks down drones not only from a place, but also in motion
      perhaps only a twin and with a stabilizer in both planes !? True, the consumption of BC, then increases significantly ... winked
  • Anton Shtopany
    Anton Shtopany 16 February 2021 17: 25
    0
    Another set of RBs to deliver and the problem of the UAV was solved, the main thing is whole subdivisions will be able to perform their tasks
  • yehat2
    yehat2 16 February 2021 19: 36
    +2
    the Americans conducted tests about the chances of a shooter to shoot down a small UAV
    And so, even from the barrel, which provides a high density of fire, it is quite difficult to get there, even using a computer that leads in advance in the trajectory.
    And to hit with a 12.7 caliber machine gun, which has, for example, a low frequency of shots, becomes generally a success, and not an option, although a hit is, of course, dangerous.
    So, I want to ask - for whom is this strange PR about the fact that a machine gun is capable of shooting down a UAV designed for?
    Why isn't it said the odds are low?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 17 February 2021 18: 23
      0
      So, I want to ask - for whom is this strange PR about the fact that a machine gun is capable of shooting down a UAV designed for?
      for a budget and a competition for a promising and unparalleled world ...!
  • Rainfall
    Rainfall 16 February 2021 21: 00
    0
    Here is a cartoon about air defense. MANPADS 9K333 can shoot like S-400. The launch is made from a mortar, then the rocket engine is launched. The container can contain 4 missiles. 9k333 in a container has 360-degree coverage. The container can be placed on different vehicles. The container can guard longer because it is on the ground. No fatigue. Constant security 24/7. Two containers can be placed on the ARK Strela 4x4 vehicle. A sight on the radar. The launcher is hidden in a container. The radar can also hide in the car. ...
    1. Rainfall
      Rainfall 16 February 2021 21: 14
      0
      The container on the Arrow 4x4 hangs in the back. This allows the container to move back more.
  • Esaul
    Esaul 16 February 2021 23: 14
    +1
    Drones must fight drones. Several terminator drones are on alert in a given area. When enemy drones are detected, they rush towards them and, using special means, destroy it. The set of special equipment may differ depending on the type of enemy drones. Most likely, a directed strike or detonation, the release of a projectile will be effective.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 17 February 2021 18: 25
      0
      Several terminator drones are on alert in a given area
      Like: T-800, with a crossbow in manipulators !? laughing wink