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Project 22350 upgraded frigates will receive hypersonic weapons

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Project 22350 upgraded frigates will receive hypersonic weapons

A pair of frigates under construction "Admiral Amelko" and "Admiral Chichagov" of the modernized project 22350 will become carriers of the hypersonic weapons... This is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the shipbuilding industry.


According to the source, each frigate will be equipped with four universal shipborne firing complexes (UKSK), designed for eight missiles each. Thus, the new frigates will carry 32 missiles, unlike the previous ships of this project with two UKSK for 16 missiles.

The pair will be able to perform tasks that are performed by the "classic" serial ships of this project. They have increased ammunition. It is possible to install hypersonic weapons

- added a source.

He explained that the UKSK was developed for the Caliber or Onyx cruise missiles, but it can also use the Zircon hypersonic missile. "Onyx" and "Zircon" are designed and manufactured by the same enterprise - Reutov NPO of mechanical engineering.

For our part, we note that the tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile are carried out on board the lead frigate of Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov, which has two universal shipborne firing complexes (UKSK).

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense said that state tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile would begin in 2021 immediately after the completion of the flight test stage, and the serial production of the new missile and its deliveries would begin next year, 2022.
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  1. Eldorado
    Eldorado 16 February 2021 10: 33
    +18
    Whoa! If this is true, then this is great news!
    The first two frigates have 16 cells, 4-6 corps have 24 cells, and 6-8 have 32! good drinks
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 16 February 2021 10: 49
      +17
      Quote: El Dorado
      Whoa! If this is true, then this is great news!
      The first two frigates have 16 cells, 4-6 corps have 24 cells, and 6-8 have 32! good drinks


      And there you see, it will come to the construction of 22350M, where everything will be more fun.
      .We are talking about the construction of the newest boathouse at the "Severnaya Verf". The characteristics are as follows: the length is more than 240 meters and the width is 50. What does this mean? That the boathouse is planned to be used in the future to create very large ships. In principle, this has been repeatedly stated by the management of the company and USC. For comparison - the length of a conventional frigate of Project 22350 is 135 meters, but here, apparently, much more is expected. There will be two berthing places in the boathouse, which will allow the modified ships to be launched in pairs, rather than one at a time. As for the timing - the boathouse will be completed at the end of 2021, since it is almost completed, and at the beginning of 2022 it will be delivered to the customer. And here the most interesting part of the epic with the ships of the ocean zone begins. The fact is that project 22350M superfrigates have been designing in our country for quite some time, and last year the finished project was transferred to the Ministry of Defense, where it is under consideration (now, perhaps, it is being completed taking into account the claims of the department).


      ... it has been repeatedly stated that there is simply nowhere to build these same superfrigates - all other places are loaded to capacity and there are orders there for a decade to come. So, the solution to the problem is before us. As for the timing of the laying, the first frigate is expected in the same 2022 or 2023 - this has been repeatedly stated by both the head of the USC and many military men. But before these were only words, and now they are supported by deeds. Yes, and shipbuilders will not invest such a huge amount of money, and we are talking about 11 billion rubles, in vain - they are clearly counting on a large order that will pay back the costs with interest.


      ... weapons are much more powerful and much more than those of competitors. The total number of cells is 144 units - of which 48 are for attack missiles and 96 for anti-aircraft missiles. With the percussion units, everything is simple - their number is equal to the number of cells and they will be represented mainly by "Zircons", since the 22350M will be, first of all, designed to fight enemy ships. But with anti-aircraft guns, not everything is so simple due to the presence of the Redut air defense system. One long-range missile or 4 short-range missiles can be loaded into one cell. That is, the maximum number of missiles that can be loaded into a ship with so many SAM cells is a fantastic 384 missiles - of course, he will not go on a campaign with only melee missiles, this is just a demonstration of capabilities. SAM "Redut" has at least one block consisting of 4 cells - three of them usually contain long-range missiles, and one cell is 4 short-range. There will be 22350 such units on 24M, which allows us to conclude about its ammunition load - 72 long-range missiles and 72 short-range missiles.

      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/survival_task/rossiia-zavershaet-pervyi-shag-k-stroitelstvu-superfregatov-proekta-22350m-6020d69686f4e2220803e6ea
      1. Pravodel
        Pravodel 16 February 2021 11: 21
        +5
        Thank. Pleased !!!.
        And then after Ukraine with Nikolaev, Kherson, Ochakov went to the banderlog, there was nowhere to build large ships of the oceanic zone.
        1. Machito
          Machito 16 February 2021 11: 34
          +8
          Quote: The Truth
          Thank. Pleased !!!.
          And then after Ukraine with Nikolaev, Kherson, Ochakov went to the banderlog, there was nowhere to build large ships of the oceanic zone.

          Great news. It remains to complete the construction of the slipway near St. Petersburg and set up the serial production of the power plant.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 16 February 2021 12: 09
          +21
          Quote: The Truth
          nowhere began to build large ships of the oceanic zone.

          Plant "Zaliv" Kerch
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 16 February 2021 12: 16
            +8
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: The Truth
            nowhere began to build large ships of the oceanic zone.

            Plant "Zaliv" Kerch

            Busy with orders for years to come. Helicopter carriers are being built there.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 16 February 2021 12: 18
              +20
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              Busy with orders for years to come. Helicopter carriers are being built there.

              This is the second question
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 16 February 2021 18: 55
              +20
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              Helicopter carriers are being built there.

              There are reports in the press that the project has changed - the displacement and armament have increased. Some authors argue that helicopter carriers can become aircraft carriers
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 16 February 2021 17: 53
            +6
            Quote: Silvestr
            Plant "Zaliv" Kerch

            And Peter - the Admiralty and Baltic plants. The same 1144 - all built in Leningrad.
        3. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 17 February 2021 15: 04
          +2
          Quote: The Truth
          ... there is nowhere build big ships oceanic zone.
          "Yantar", "Zaliv", "Baltic", "Northern Shipyard (them. Zhdanova) "," Star "(in a big stone) ... ? !! Enough ? !! what
      2. bayard
        bayard 16 February 2021 12: 21
        -7
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        And there you see, it will come to the construction of 22350M, where everything will be more fun.

        I'm afraid to upset you, but it looks like the article is talking about the frigate 22350M, because it is called "modernized". Right now (it seems) the preparation of its technical project has begun (before its implementation was postponed - a year ago), and these praises about "as many as 32 missiles in UKSK", it turns out, indicate that the BC 22350M has been reduced from 48 to 32 missiles. ..
        The fact is that the fourth UKSK is not included in the existing building 22350, for this you need to redesign the body and make an insert (lengthen). On the other hand, it is not entirely clear how these four UKSK (32 missiles) will be located. Before it was clear that most likely - in two rows of three UKSKs with the longitudinal orientation of each UKSK ... And after all, there was already a well-established and balanced appearance of 22350M, why was it necessary to weaken its BC and re-calculate / redesign everything again? Who is there - in the USC, is engaged in all these tricks?
        Or someone from across the hill again "advised" how to build a series of awkward "patrol corvettes"? So as not to be strengthened by the fleet there ...?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 16 February 2021 12: 24
          +7
          I'm afraid to upset you, but it looks like the article is talking about the frigate 22350M

          A pair of frigates under construction "Admiral Amelko" and "Admiral Chichagov" of the modernized project 22350 will become carriers of hypersonic weapons. This is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the shipbuilding industry.
          According to the source, each frigate will be equipped with four universal shipborne firing complexes (UKSK), designed for eight missiles each. Thus, the new frigates will carry 32 missiles, unlike the previous ships of this project with two UKSK for 16 missiles.

          It's about Amelko and Chichagov. About which they said that there will be 3 UKSK.
          Now they are talking about 4 UKSK. hi
          1. bayard
            bayard 16 February 2021 12: 52
            +7
            I confess that I was inattentive. Apparently they will be placed in two rows of two UKSKs with a transverse orientation of the latter, there is really enough space there (in the width of the body) ... Well, this is very good news, if the power plant would come to them as rhythmically as new thoughts on the next modernization.
            ... But if you place the UKSK in this way even at 22350, then ... at 22350M you can place not 48, but 64 CDs. And they will fit perfectly! After all, before it was planned to place 6 UKSK in two rows of three in each, with their longitudinal orientation ... and now it is possible to place in four rows with a transverse orientation of the UKSK - as on Orly-Burks. And the ammunition load will be the same.
            If only the power plant went serially and rhythmically.
          2. Angry
            Angry 17 February 2021 03: 44
            -1
            Here, Amelko is the fifth building. And it will be 32 cells, not 24 as they said before. In total, there will be NO Project 22350 frigates for three UKSK! Generally. Where there were three, there were four UKSCs.
        2. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 16 February 2021 12: 25
          +3
          I'm talking about the 22350M in my quote with a displacement of up to 8 thousand tons, that is, in fact, a destroyer. There, the sizes differ significantly. Quote.
          ... We are talking about the construction of the newest boathouse at Severnaya Verf. The characteristics are as follows: the length is over 240 meters, and the width is 50. What does this mean? That the boathouse is planned to be used in the future to create very large ships. In principle, this has been repeatedly stated by the management of the company and USC. For comparison, the length of a conventional frigate of Project 22350 is 135 meters, but here, apparently, much more is expected.

          And in the VO article about the modernized frigates. Here you are right.
          1. bayard
            bayard 16 February 2021 12: 59
            +4
            This eling was laid for the construction of the Leader nuclear destroyers, but (praise Ahura-Mazda) this idea seems to have been abandoned. The dimensions of the 22350M will roughly correspond to the size of the 1155 project, and they can be built, therefore, you can build them anywhere - there are plenty of construction sites (slipways, elinges, rigging, docks) for them in St. Petersburg (now loaded with orders for 22350), in Kaliningrad, and even at the Amur plant and at the Kerch "Zaliv" (moreover, in parallel with two UDC).
            There would be personnel and propulsion systems.
            And money .
            And will.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 17 February 2021 08: 43
              0
              There would be personnel and propulsion systems.

              There are still problems with this.
              And money. And will.

              Everything is better here. But there is one "BUT".
              Building an ocean-going fleet is a direct challenge to the United States, with all that it implies. I'm not sure if we're strong enough to quit right now.
              Amateurs in Turkey will immediately take to rest, ride around the world, etc. Those who lack cheese with mold. And other human rights advocates.
              Because we can easily receive an "iron curtain" in return.
              Together with disconnection from SWIFT and other "non-market methods of competition."
              China's problems with the West, IMHO, are connected with the construction of the fleet. Therefore, the Chinese are strengthening the fleet at such a rate. To avoid the temptations of the West to stick them in.
              So Russia has to choose the moment of the beginning of the massive construction of the fleet very carefully.
              Everything should be ready for us everywhere, and the hegemon should not have much time for us.
              Winter this year turned out to be successful, however.
              https://vz.ru/world/2021/2/16/1085380.html
              1. bayard
                bayard 17 February 2021 10: 58
                +3
                Quote: Alex777
                So Russia has to choose the moment of the beginning of the massive construction of the fleet very carefully.

                He was chosen back in 2009 after publishing a rearmament program, incl. and the fleet. It was then that it became clear that "Russia was going to return to the seas."
                ... 30 corvettes, 20 frigates, 6 - 8 super destroyers "Leader" on the atomic course ... and projects of the aircraft carriers "Storm" ...
                And the sticks flew into the wheels. yes
                And in 2014, in general, they occupied a part of our Fatherland, colloquially called "Ukraine", thereby knocking out a number of key industries from the cooperative chains ...
                So it's too late for Russia to choose the moment "very carefully", this moment has long passed and we are now admiring its consequences. No matter how it was, and no matter how much we wanted it, but we are practically in battle ... And this battle is not like the one when "they beat us, and we grow stronger" ... the power of the Russian Federation has already turned into a continuous dough ... because the whole period of this battle ... tried to ... go-go-rush ... request fool
                But I also did something, of course.
                Take your time ...
                Without a spark ...
                As if ... pretend ...
                And when the hour of the decisive battle approached ... they succeeded, as in that saying: "The war came, but I did not dine."
                Instead of rallying the people, instead of justice, against the background of impending threats, these would-be-hands-leaders sow ROSE and IRRITATION ... and fatigue from the authorities, which over time threatens to grow ... into rage ... For SO "to love" EVERYTHING (!! !) ... all the possibilities ... all the allotted time ... repeat you just have to be geniuses of sabotage.

                ... The hegemon now has problems ... frost against the background of popular love for Trump ... but it is he (Hegemon) who is used to solving ALL his internal problems in this way (by war).
                There are many problems ...
                Lots of ...
                And the hegemon does not know any other ways to resolve issues.
                And in Russia for 13 years (!!!) NOT ONE AWACS aircraft has been built ... and only 50 (six) old Soviet-built aircraft have been upgraded to the A-6U level.
                But during this period they could have capitalized and modernized the WHOLE remaining aircraft fleet from the Union (15 - 20 A-50)!
                There was NO technical reason for this!
                It was necessary to JUST sign a contract for the modernization of the WHOLE fleet of such aircraft, and not pull the cat by the personal belongings of one aircraft in 2 - 3 years, with the conclusion of a contract for the next aircraft ONLY after the delivery of the previous one !!!
                If this is not sabotage and sabotage, then I do not know where these concepts can be applied at all.

                And in order for us to have "everything ready" for the construction of the Navy, it was necessary to attend to the problem of engines 15 years ago - when this program was made up. And now it only remains to watch with sadness how Rybinsk slowly - 0,5 - 1 power plant per year supplies units to frigates under construction. And hope that a "breakthrough" is about to occur.
                But more often it breaks the sewers ...
                ... However, if Rybinsk comes out for the supply of at least 2 power plants per year, I will be sincerely glad and grateful for the labor feat.
                hi
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 16 February 2021 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: El Dorado
      Whoa! If this is true, then this is great news!
      The first two frigates have 16 cells, 4-6 corps have 24 cells, and 6-8 have 32! good drinks

      Where did you go to the third building?
      "Admiral Amelko" and "Admiral Chichagov" are the third pair, as I understand it. That is, the fifth and sixth corps.
      "Admiral Yumashev" and "Admiral Spiridonov" are the seventh and eighth. That is, from the fifth to the eighth - 32 missiles.
      But the second pair of frigates will carry three UKSK packages - 24 missiles.
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 16 February 2021 10: 55
        +1
        A typo (at the 3rd corps ("Admiral Golovko") 24 cells).
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 16 February 2021 11: 10
        +4
        Amelko and Chichagov are buildings 5 ​​and 6.
        It turns out that the first four will be with 2 UKSK (and nothing else), and the rest with 4 UKSK.
        Forget about 24 VPU. If something is not mixed up in the news. hi
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 16 February 2021 11: 20
          +8
          Quote: Alex777
          It turns out that the first four will be with 2 UKSK, and the rest with 4 UKSK.

          It looks like you are right. The second pair "Admiral Golovko" and "Admiral Isakov" are also 16 cells under the cr.
          And the modernized project began with the 5th building, but 32 instead of 24.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 16 February 2021 12: 11
            +23
            Quote: Flood
            And the modernized project began with the 5th building, but 32 instead of 24.

            Even 24 is better than 16, and 32 is undoubtedly!
    3. Artyom Karagodin
      Artyom Karagodin 16 February 2021 10: 55
      +1
      I agree! And what will happen when the 22350M goes into production? How many Zircons will be there? In general, there is hope that the problems of the fleet will eventually be resolved!
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 16 February 2021 11: 00
        +1
        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
        And what will happen when the 22350M goes into production? How many Zircons will be there?

        48 cells in total, some of which will be occupied by Zircons.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 16 February 2021 11: 09
          +3
          The total number of cells is 144 units - of which 48 are for attack missiles and 96 for anti-aircraft missiles.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 16 February 2021 11: 12
            -1
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            The total number of cells is 144 units - of which 48 are for attack missiles and 96 for anti-aircraft missiles.

            the article was about the UKSK.
            without mentioning air defense capabilities.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 16 February 2021 12: 18
            +20
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            Total number of cells 144 units -

            Who is this?
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 16 February 2021 12: 36
              +5
              The destroyer 22350M is to be laid on the new slipway under construction in the 2022-2023 region.
              1. Aerodrome
                Aerodrome 16 February 2021 13: 17
                -1
                this, it will already look like a warship ... this is not "8 calibers" for you.
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 16 February 2021 17: 15
                +20
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                At the destroyer 22350M

                Thank you
    4. yehat2
      yehat2 16 February 2021 14: 09
      +2
      the world's first use of universal containers was in the years 77-78. And on different ships. For example, at the BOD Azov. And after 40-45 years (!) This innovation is just beginning to be put on frigates
      that's why I don't really understand the stormy joy. This should have been done for a long time.
    5. venik
      venik 16 February 2021 19: 21
      +1
      Quote: El Dorado
      The first two frigates have 16 cells, 4-6 corps have 24 cells, and 6-8 have 32!

      =======
      belay Not understood! Actually:
      On 1 - 4 frigates - 16 UKSK cells;
      on 5 - 8 buildings - 32 cells!
      request
    6. smart ass
      smart ass 17 February 2021 16: 22
      0
      Give 64 cells !!!!
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 16 February 2021 10: 38
    0
    Who can explain to me with what number the "corvette" ends and the "frigate" begins?
    Corvette Project 11664
    Frigates project 11356
    Frigates project 22350
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 16 February 2021 10: 41
      +5
      Everything is very conditional, Russia and NATO have different classifications of ships. So, in the West, some experts attribute our project 20380 corvettes to frigates.
      All our MPK, MRK and missile boats are classified as corvettes.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 16 February 2021 10: 44
        -2
        Quote: El Dorado
        All our MPK, MRK and missile boats are classified as corvettes.
        Yes, let NATO take them wherever he pleases!
        Where do our naval commanders and shipbuilders carry their property?
        1. Eldorado
          Eldorado 16 February 2021 10: 53
          +5
          We all depend on the ranks. At the same time, the admirals themselves cannot figure out where what rank.
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 16 February 2021 10: 58
            -1
            Quote: El Dorado
            We all depend on the ranks.

            During Soviet times, the destroyer was not a first rank ship.
            And now the only destroyer in the Baltic 956 (in NATO, I suppose, only a frigate) - the first rank! Like a cruiser! Premier League, Petya, Kuzya.
            Otherwise, the Baltic Fleet will become a flotilla and fewer admirals will be needed.
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 16 February 2021 13: 19
              +2
              Quote: Victor_B
              During Soviet times, the destroyer was not a first rank ship.

              not true ... "buzzards" of the 956th project, were the first rank, the ships of the ocean zone.
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 16 February 2021 17: 58
              +2
              Quote: Victor_B
              And now the only destroyer in the Baltic 956 (in NATO, I suppose, only a frigate) - the first rank!

              EM pr. 956 have been destroyers of the 1977st rank since XNUMX. The only first-rank EVs in the Navy.
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 16 February 2021 16: 11
        0
        well, I would not call some of the missile boats a boat either
        for example, according to NATO classification nanushka 3 (Project 1234 small missile ships)
        in the old version there are 3 cannons, 6 non-small launchers with anti-ship missiles, an anti-aircraft missile system in the nose.
        wow boat
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 16 February 2021 10: 48
      +6
      The numbering of projects is not tied to the classification of ships.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 16 February 2021 10: 52
        -3
        Quote: Flood
        The numbering of projects is not tied to the classification of ships.
        Let me doubt it!
        The numbering of projects in Soviet times was approximately similar to automobile indexes.
        1xxxx trifle
        2хххх larger
        But the last figures were already modifications of the primary projects.
        Although there were plenty of exceptions. Guards missile cruiser of project 1164 "Moscow
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 16 February 2021 11: 03
          +2
          Quote: Victor_B
          Let me doubt it!
          The numbering of projects in Soviet times was approximately similar to automobile indexes.
          1xxxx trifle
          2хххх larger

          Doubt your right.
          missile boat 1241
          small anti-submarine ship 1124
          large anti-submarine ship 1134, 1155
          And 1155 in displacement is practically the destroyer 956.
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 16 February 2021 11: 07
            +1
            Quote: Flood
            Doubt your right.
            missile boat 1241
            small anti-submarine ship 1124
            large anti-submarine ship 1134, 1155
            Missile cruiser project 1164
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 16 February 2021 11: 10
              +4
              Quote: Victor_B
              Missile cruiser project 1164

              you already mentioned it above as an exception.
              I'm just letting you know that this is not an exception to the rule.
              but the lack of strict rules as such.
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 16 February 2021 11: 11
                +3
                Quote: Flood
                but the lack of strict rules as such.

                Well, if we ourselves cannot figure it out, then the enemy will definitely go crazy!
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 16 February 2021 12: 14
                  +23
                  Quote: Victor_B
                  Well, if we ourselves cannot figure it out, then the enemy will definitely go crazy!

                  This has some secret meaning
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 16 February 2021 12: 14
            +20
            Quote: Flood
            And 1155 in displacement is practically the destroyer 956.

            But in terms of armament - it's not at all
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 16 February 2021 12: 22
          +22
          Quote: Victor_B
          Although there were plenty of exceptions.

          Project 1171 "Tapir" - 2 ranks
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 16 February 2021 18: 02
          +3
          Quote: Victor_B
          The numbering of projects in Soviet times was approximately similar to automobile indexes.
          1xxxx trifle
          2хххх larger

          Here is one such trifle - the fifth ship of project 1143, aka project 11435: smile

          And the next project number - 1144 - is a TARKR with a displacement of 26 kilotons.
    3. Hog
      Hog 16 February 2021 11: 14
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Who can explain to me with what number the "corvette" ends and the "frigate" begins?

      The numbering of projects is not tied to the class of the ship, everything comes from the factory numbering used when creating new CDs for ships.
    4. venik
      venik 16 February 2021 19: 30
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Who can explain to me with what number the "corvette" ends and the "frigate" begins?
      Corvette Project 11664
      Frigates project 11356
      Frigates project 22350

      ========
      So that make even more confusion, I will continue the "row":
      SKR (Frigates) project 11540
      Corvettes project 20380/20385
      MRK project 21631;
      MRK project 22800;
      Boats (anti-sabotage) project 21980
      wassat laughing
  3. Bez 310
    Bez 310 16 February 2021 11: 22
    -6
    While the Zircon did not fly further than 450 km, the control system
    unknown, in general, there is nothing to rejoice yet.
    Well, more holes in the deck ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 16 February 2021 12: 17
      +24
      Quote: Bez 310
      Well, more holes in the deck ...

      The more holes the better.
    2. Yuri V.A
      Yuri V.A 17 February 2021 01: 50
      -1
      Then promising Zircones will be loaded with promising frigates together with promising Petrel, which will scour until they find an enemy compound.
    3. Volder
      Volder 18 February 2021 14: 32
      +1
      Quote: Bez 310
      While the Zircon did not fly further than 450 km, the control system
      unknown
      The same can be said for land-based and submarine-based ICBMs. However, you have no doubt about the flight range of an ICBM, right? Zircon was simply not filled with a full tank of fuel mixture.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 18 February 2021 14: 44
        +1
        Quote: Volder
        in the range of the ICBM, you do not doubt

        Yes, I have no doubt in these missiles, since
        we provided their tests at the proving ground
        Kura, and I know a little about their range.
        I can't say anything about Zircon, but the media
        talk only about 450 km. It is too little!
        1. Volder
          Volder 28 February 2021 20: 00
          0
          Quote: Bez 310
          And about "Zircon" I can not say anything
          It's good that you can't. You are a simple layman. I am very glad that design bureaus, manufacturing plants and the Russian Ministry of Defense maintain secrecy for the time being.
          Quote: Bez 310
          The media speaks of only 450 km. It is too little!
          Compared to what is not enough ?? Give some hypersonic or at least supersonic analogue of a similar range - for a surface ship with anti-ship missions.
  4. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 16 February 2021 11: 59
    0
    Quote: Flood
    Quote: Victor_B
    Missile cruiser project 1164

    you already mentioned it above as an exception.
    I'm just letting you know that this is not an exception to the rule.
    but the lack of strict rules as such.

    I will add project 1144 - as the absence of rules. Although the presence of the number 1xxx, perhaps, classifies the "rank" of the ship.

    Something suggests that for such successes in shipbuilding and aircraft building, engine building, the "partners" are in a hurry to arrange a revolution for us ... apparently for a reason.
    1. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 16 February 2021 16: 02
      +3
      I will add 1143 TAVKRs!
      In fact, the project numbers are assigned by the Krylov State Scientific Center (KGNTs) at the request of the designer, both civilian and military vessels, there is no logic, but up to 5000 tons of displacement give a number from the first book, from 5000 tons to 10000 tons from the second, etc. ...
      Now all numbers are five-digit, but the last "0" is omitted, after modernization or modification the fifth digit goes from 1 to 9, letters are not allowed now, but the designers love to be arbitrary, so there are letters in projects))))
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 February 2021 18: 24
      +1
      Quote: Redfox3k
      I will add project 1144 - as the absence of rules. Although the presence of the number 1xxx, perhaps, classifies the "rank" of the ship.

      It is unlikely: Project 1171 is the second rank, Project 1124 is the third rank, but Project 956 is the first rank.
  5. Antokha
    Antokha 16 February 2021 15: 46
    +2
    The author minus for the lie in the title. This is not morning.ru.
    Title:
    Project 22350 upgraded frigates will receive hypersonic weapons

    The text that supposedly confirms the title:
    It is possible to install hypersonic weapons

    Already tired of this lie - a deliberate distortion, not even facts, but assumptions.
  6. Anton Shtopany
    Anton Shtopany 16 February 2021 17: 31
    -2
    Now the Aug will have to reconsider the strategy, and these are the means, and now after the pandemic it is very difficult given (according to the Supreme Commander) that the Russian Federation has suffered the least than the Western countries will have to reckon with the many times increased forces of the Russian Navy
  7. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 17 February 2021 13: 49
    +1

    Thus, the new frigates will carry 32 missiles.


    FINE!!!

    With so many cells for tactical, anti-ship and opposing missiles, you can really fight against everyone at once.

    Project 22350 increased to maximum armament.

    Now you can start making the destroyer of project 22350M.