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In the US press: the M1A2 Abrams SEPv3 tank can be used in the format of network-centric war

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The American media discussed issues of further options for using the main combat tanks Abrams. In particular, we are talking about the M1A2 SEPv3 version. It is indicated that this tank can be used in the format of network-centric warfare. The possibility is also being considered in which the combat vehicle itself will be used in unmanned form.


It is noted that for this, the newest version of the Abrams tanks has all the capabilities, including new data exchange protocols, systems for receiving and analyzing GPS information, working with changing maps, including displaying intelligence.

American observer Chris Osborne notes that the M1A2 Abrams SEPv3 already at this stage can control air and ground drones in the enemy's line of fire, send robotic vehicles to clear anti-tank ditches and eliminate other obstacles.

An observer from the United States writes that if a major clash with "advanced enemy forces" occurs, then the Abrams tank in its modern version turns, by and large, into the only large platform capable of not only defeating armored (well-protected) goals, but also to fire interaction with other means as part of a network-centric operation.

From K. Osborne's material:

The combat usefulness of the latest "Abrams" is increasing due to the expansion of its technological and software capabilities. One of the most important innovations is the control of unmanned vehicles.

The author believes that over time, a version of the unmanned Abrams tank, controlled by artificial intelligence, may appear.
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  1. APASUS
    APASUS 16 February 2021 08: 32
    -3
    Replacing the M1A2 Abrams tank with a new one is long overdue, and the biggest failure in Iraq confirms this. But the Americans are again investing in advertising, now it is a tank for network-centric war in an unmanned version.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 16 February 2021 08: 35
      +8
      Quote: APASUS
      Biggest failure in Iraq

      Was it the Abrams that failed there, or were they the Iraqi home-grown "Panzermans"?
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 16 February 2021 08: 42
        0
        And if the advanced enemy Peresvet and EW blocks the US satellites, all communication will be blocked, how then will the Super Abrams fight in these conditions?
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 16 February 2021 08: 55
          +2
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          And if the advanced enemy Peresvet and EW blocks the US satellites, all communication will be blocked, how then will the Super Abrams fight in these conditions?
          Did the Iraqi Abrams have such an enemy? You don’t confuse the gift of God with scrambled eggs. The commentary is about some kind of failure in Iraq, and you are about "Peresvet" with some kind of fright.
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 16 February 2021 09: 04
            +1
            Well, actually, my dear Vladimir spoke about the article, not about the comments. smile hi
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 16 February 2021 09: 12
              +1
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              actually, my dear Vladimir spoke about the article, not the comment.
              I'm talking about a specific comment.
              Quote: APASUS
              The biggest failure in Iraq confirms this.
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 16 February 2021 09: 14
                +1
                hi I'm sorry, I didn't immediately understand who they turned to. smile
          2. poquello
            poquello 16 February 2021 19: 40
            0
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            The commentary talks about a certain failure in Iraq

            not some, but specific
            In 2005, 1135 of the 530 Abrams used in Iraq were sent to the United States for factory repair.

            the Soviet auto industry is already laughing loudly from the past
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 17 February 2021 03: 10
              0
              Quote: poquello
              In 2005, of the 1135 Abrams used in Iraq, 530

              I am not a fan of either Abrash or Amertsy in general, but overhaul in the factory after intensive use is carried out, tanks for sure.
        2. Professor
          Professor 16 February 2021 08: 55
          -3
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          And if the advanced enemy Peresvet and EW blocks the US satellites, all communication will be blocked, how then will the Super Abrams fight in these conditions?

          It is not even technically realistic to block all communication. So far, no one has succeeded in blocking satellite navigation, and bourgeois rely less and less on it.

          https://iz.ru/news/536181
          EW troops lose GPS fight
          Russian jamming stations could not prevent the "Americans" from destroying the training facility
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 16 February 2021 08: 58
            +2
            Blocking the entire connection is not realistic even technically

            how many such naive beliefs have been debunked in history - do not count laughing
            1. Professor
              Professor 16 February 2021 09: 01
              -4
              Quote: Ka-52
              Blocking the entire connection is not realistic even technically

              how many such naive beliefs have been debunked in history - do not count laughing

              Yes Yes. "Our Khibiny will drown out all communications of the enemy. Deafen and blind him." Keep on believing.
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 16 February 2021 09: 10
                0
                Yes Yes. "Our Khibiny will drown out all communications of the enemy. They will deafen and blind him."

                that is, do you think that electronic warfare is not an effective means and not a necessary waste of money? Hehe, are you in your self-absorbed style again? laughing that all the actions of your developers are exactly the opposite of this
                https://iz.ru/news/536181
                EW troops lose GPS fight

                and the article was squeezed already in 2012. Apparently they decided to amaze us with information as much as 9 years ago lol seen in your alternate universe, Russian developments have stopped at this level
                1. Professor
                  Professor 16 February 2021 09: 41
                  -1
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  that is, do you think that electronic warfare is not an effective means and not a necessary waste of money? Hehe, are you back in your self-absorbed style? that all the actions of your developers are exactly the opposite of this

                  Did I write that electronic warfare is not needed? Read carefully:
                  It is not even technically realistic to block all communication. So far, no one has succeeded in blocking satellite navigation, and bourgeois rely less and less on it.

                  Quote: Ka-52
                  and the article was squeezed already in 2012. Apparently they decided to amaze us with information as much as 9 years ago.It can be seen in your alternative universe that Russian developments stopped at this level

                  Well, of course, in 9 years the Russian electronics industry has made an unprecedented leap forward and not those that caught up, but also overtook the bourgeoisie. Now, not only are you writing to me now from Russian hardware (processor, memory, etc.), but I’m not from American, but Russian. Moreover, we both have a Russian OS, not an American one. 9 years have not been in vain. lol
                  1. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 16 February 2021 09: 56
                    +1
                    Even technically, blocking the entire connection is not realistic.

                    someone thought that the Maginot Line was inaccessible. Only naive can make such categorical judgments. Countermeasures systems can include a set of measures, and not just "block". You look at the result, it is from it that you need to build on. And you are only looking at the process.
                    Now, not only are you writing to me now from Russian hardware (processor, memory, etc.), but I’m not from American, but Russian. Moreover, we both have a Russian OS, not an American one. 9 years have not been in vain

                    oooh, let's save time and immediately start singing songs here where pensions are bigger and oranges are sweeter. After all, this is a very original way of arguing. Heh, professor, the passage of time has a destructive effect on you - the more stripes you have on the site, the more stupid the comments lol
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 16 February 2021 10: 05
                      -6
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      someone thought that the Maginot Line was inaccessible. Only naive can make such categorical judgments. Countermeasures systems can include a set of measures, and not just "block". You look at the result, it is from it that you need to build on. And you are only looking at the process.

                      OK. Enough lyrics. How will you jam the RFID communication?

                      Quote: Ka-52
                      oooh, let's save time and immediately start singing songs here where pensions are bigger and oranges are sweeter. After all, this is a very original way of arguing. Heh, professor, the passage of time has a destructive effect on you - the more stripes you have on the site, the more stupid the comments

                      That is, for 9 years you have not switched to your hardware and your software? So what is it about, dear? Where is the breakthrough? Lyrics again? Let me remind you that over these 9 years the bourgeoisie have stepped forward and introduced new technologies, produced new hardware, advanced in algorithms and did not sit still at all.

                      What gives you grounds (facts?) To believe that the situation with the jamming failure GPS years ago differs from the current one?
                      1. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 16 February 2021 10: 33
                        +2
                        OK. Enough lyrics. How will you jam the RFID communication?

                        I? neither I nor you are military RF engineers. Therefore, my lyrics are no different from your "finger to the sky". At least in my days I saw what the radar screen looks like in the backlight from interference laughing and you?
                        That is, for 9 years you have not switched to your hardware and your software? ...

                        professor, or whatever you are - don't drag me into this stupid argument. I have a Samsung monitor, not Yahweh. Guided by your logic, I must conclude that the Jews are stupid?
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 16 February 2021 11: 06
                        -2
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        I? neither I nor you are military RF engineers. Therefore, my lyrics are no different from your "finger to the sky". At least when I was staying I saw what the radar screen looks like in the backlight from interference, and you?

                        You are only responsible for yourself. It's Raz.
                        Give an example of the successful operation of Russian electronic warfare. These are two.
                        How will you jam the RFID communication? These are three.

                        Hardware, no lyrics. Come on?

                        Quote: Ka-52
                        professor, or whatever you are - don't drag me into this stupid argument. I have a Samsung monitor, not Yahweh. Guided by your logic, I must conclude that the Jews are stupid?

                        Guided by my logic, you not should shout that the situation 9 years ago is not relevant today. There are two reasons for this:
                        1. You have not moved forward, but rather rolled back even further. Brain drain abroad, retirement of specialists, low salaries in the industry, obsolescence of the material base, unattractiveness of technical specialties in universities, closeness and further down the list.
                        2. Your "partners" have moved forward. The arrival of new specialists from abroad, including from the Russian Federation, high salaries in the industry, the creation of new technologies and developments, new algorithms, etc.

                        PS
                        Are you sure your Samsung was not designed by Jews? wink
                        Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.
                      3. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 16 February 2021 11: 57
                        0
                        How will you jam the RFID communication? These are three.

                        I could give you data from the ceiling and you cannot refute them, because they are not competent make any conclusion. As not competent to make any conclusions about the possibility or impossibility to interfere with the radio signal. Finish this booth already.
                        retirement of specialists, low salaries in the industry, obsolescence of the material base, unattractiveness of technical specialties in universities, closeness

                        blablabla ... I work at the UEC (I hope you know what kind of corporation this is) and for now I will boldly say that not a single supernano-tech Israeli development in the field of turbojet engines has been lying around with our production, which is falling apart on the go laughing
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 16 February 2021 13: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        I could give you data from the ceiling and you cannot refute them, since you are not competent to make any conclusion. As not competent to make any conclusions about the possibility or impossibility to interfere with the radio signal. Finish this booth already.

                        How will you jam the RFID communication? Answer the basic question.

                        Quote: Ka-52
                        blablabla ... I work at the UEC (I hope you know what kind of corporation this is) and for now I will boldly say that not a single supernano-tech Israeli development in the field of turbojet engines has been lying around with our production, which is falling apart on the go

                        1. Israel did not set the task of developing a modern engine. We participate in the international division of labor. However, Israel is a key supplier of aircraft engine blades to companies such as Rolls-Royce, JI. Not you with your "advanced" production, but "backward" Israel.

                        2. Israel supplies equipment for the production of your engines (NEXTEC machines to Rybinsk). Not you to Israel with your "advanced" production, but "backward" Israel. Https://www.nextec-wiz.com/

                        3. Have the Ukrainian turbines from Zarya Mashprokt been able to repeat? A joke, a joke. Do not answer. laughing

                        4. UEC salary. https://moskva.jobfilter.ru/vacancy/61721697

                        Leading engineer up to 63 rubles (2,782 shekels, despite the fact that a worker has a minimum wage in Israel of 5 shekels. The salary of a leading engineer is 300+ shekels). UP TO It's $ 859 ... Well, who is normal in Moscow will go as a leading engineer for that kind of money? In China, a mechanical engineer with 3-5 years of experience earns over $ 3 and this is not even in Shanghai.
                        You can call me a Russophobe as much as you like, but in my opinion a Russophobe is the one who pays the Russian leading engineer in Moscow up to 63. Well, a hungry engineer cannot create normal engines. At least kill me, it can’t. His head is full of others. How to feed a family.
                      5. Strannik96
                        Strannik96 16 February 2021 15: 32
                        -3
                        [quote = professor] [quote = KLeading engineer up to 63 rubles (2,782 shekels, despite the fact that a worker has a minimum wage in Israel of 5 shekels. The salary of a leading engineer is 300+ shekels). UP TO It's $ 859 ... Well, who is normal in Moscow will go as a leading engineer for that kind of money? In China, a mechanical engineer with 3-5 years of experience earns over $ 3 and this is not even in Shanghai.
                        You can call me a Russophobe as much as you like, but in my opinion a Russophobe is the one who pays the Russian leading engineer in Moscow up to 63. Well, a hungry engineer cannot create normal engines. At least kill me, it can’t. His head is full of others. How to feed a family. [/ Quote]

                        This is a non-Lead Engineer position, see the description for your link: Responsibilities:

                        Organization of work to provide departments with the necessary tools and technological equipment;

                        Providing centralized sharpening of all types of cutting tools and equipment repair;

                        Determining the needs of departments in tools and equipment;

                        Participation in the preparation of initial data for the development of projects of long-term and annual plans for instrumental preparation of production, the manufacture of tools and equipment;

                        Drawing up applications for the purchase of tools and equipment;

                        Instrument accounting (receipt and write-off)
                        This is a toolmaker - the job title is written for glamor. People will work, gain experience, show themselves and there will be an appropriate salary. An acquaintance in St. Petersburg receives $ 2000.
                        In Israel, many advertisements write - shift 12 hours, in Russia the same way, if you work harder, you will get more
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 16 February 2021 18: 22
                        +1
                        I can read well. "Leading Engineer" is written in Russian in white.
                        There is also a vacancy for a mechanical engineer. Salary up to 64000 rubles.
                        Requirements:

                        Higher technical education;
                        Knowledge of AutoCAD is desirable;
                        Work experience in a machine-building enterprise


                        Quote: Strannik96
                        In Israel, many advertisements write - it is 12 o'clock change, in Russia the same way, if you work more, you get more

                        Show me where this is written about engineers.
                    2. poquello
                      poquello 16 February 2021 19: 55
                      -2
                      Quote: Professor
                      How will you jam the RFID communication? Answer an elementary question.

                      ) Well, tell me what this garbage is, I'll tell you what they will do with it,
                      By the way, I was already vaccinated for free, what are you doing there?
                      I can write to you from the Russian OS.
                      In Moscow, 63000 is ridiculous money.
                      The technologies of the Russian military-industrial complex in electronic warfare are significantly ahead of the bourgeoisie, ask American pilots in Syria, next to it.
                    3. Professor
                      Professor 16 February 2021 20: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: poquello
                      ) Well, tell me what this garbage is, I'll tell you what they will do with it,

                      Google.

                      Quote: poquello
                      By the way, I was already vaccinated for free, what are you doing there?

                      4,043,321 people were vaccinated. Free, of course.

                      Quote: poquello
                      I can write to you from the Russian OS.

                      Write. Only from domestic iron.

                      Quote: poquello
                      In Moscow, 63000 is ridiculous money.

                      Tell this to the comrade who works there.

                      Quote: poquello
                      The technologies of the Russian military-industrial complex in electronic warfare are significantly ahead of the bourgeoisie, ask American pilots in Syria, next to it.

                      And there is. You don't have your own electronics, you use foreign software, the math school is in the pen, the engineers are starving, but the electronic warfare has suddenly become unmatched in the world.
                    4. poquello
                      poquello 16 February 2021 20: 45
                      -1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Google.

                      what for? the fact that you are broadcasting about some kind of "pprch" is clearly not a reason
                      Quote: Professor
                      Only from domestic iron.

                      it is expensive
                      Quote: Professor
                      Tell this to the comrade who works there.

                      along the way, he is unsuccessfully trying to tell you that the leading engineer is below average in the hierarchy
                      Quote: Professor
                      No electronics

                      Duc, into space only on wood, we drown with curves - we turn
                      Quote: Professor
                      Engineers are starving

                      the country is beguiled, in the USA an engineer is not an engineer, but they live from hand to mouth and a whole crowd
                      Quote: Professor
                      but EW suddenly became unparalleled in the world

                      did not, but was and is, and not suddenly
                2. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 17 February 2021 04: 54
                  -1
                  1. Israel did not set the task of developing a modern engine.

                  dada, what excuses make your stupid girlfriends
                  However, Israel is a key supplier of aircraft engine blades.

                  shoulder blades? You also tell as an argument that you supply 6x45 screws to R&R laughing The further the argument goes, the more your attempts cause laughter
                  2. Israel supplies equipment for the production of your engines (NEXTEC machines in Rybinsk)

                  we are talking about aircraft engines. What does the machine have to do with it?
                  3. Have the Ukrainian turbines from Zarya Mashprokt been able to repeat? A joke, a joke. Do not answer.

                  Our M90FR is more efficient than the Ukrainian DP71
                  And Mashproekt is a company based in Israel? you, like a woman in a kitchen squabble, start pulling everything laughing
                  Leading engineer up to 63 rubles (000 shekels, despite the fact that a worker has a minimum wage in Israel of 2,782 shekels. The salary of a leading engineer is 5+ shekels). BEFORE It's $ 300.


                  yeah, the under-professor from the argued dispute rolled into his favorite pussymetry laughing how much are tomatoes? laughing
                  My salary is enough for me. And our team creates what all sorts of "experts" who mow like Jews write: "but Israel did not set the task of developing a modern engine" laughing
                  Jesters are for entertainment. And thank you, cheer up laughing
                3. Professor
                  Professor 17 February 2021 13: 59
                  -3
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  dada, what excuses make your stupid girlfriends

                  So me you and I tell. fellow
                  Israel does not need the production of aircraft engines, since we are happy to sell the world's best aircraft engines for which we manufacture blades. http://www.btl.co.il/
                  At one time, when there was an embargo against Israel, Israel itself manufactured aircraft engines. https://bsel.co.il/he/ Today they repair engines, make key components and produce engines for the KR.

                  Quote: Ka-52
                  shoulder blades? You also tell as an argument that you supply 6x45 screws to R&R The further the dispute, the more your attempts cause laughter

                  Are you sure you work at the UEC? I should kind of know that the blade is a key element in a modern aircraft engine. Who do you work there? What are you guarding?


                  Quote: Ka-52
                  we are talking about aircraft engines. What does the machine have to do with it?

                  Yes, really what does the machine for the manufacture of turbine blades have to do with it? You wouldn't be a disgrace. fool

                  Quote: Ka-52
                  Our M90FR is more efficient than the Ukrainian DP71
                  Is Mashproekt a company based in Israel? you, like a woman in a kitchen squabble, start pulling everything

                  More efficient? Are you soothing yourself? wink

                  Quote: Ka-52
                  aha, the underprofessional from the argued dispute rolled into his favorite pussymetry, how much are tomatoes?

                  Rudeness from an excess of arguments? It's familiar.

                  Quote: Ka-52
                  My salary is enough for me. And our team creates what all sorts of "experts" who mow like Jews write: "but Israel did not set the task of developing a modern engine"

                  What is it enough for you? Tomatoes? For 60 for Moscow is life from hand to mouth.
                  Is this so angry?

                  Total
                  You merged and could not answer an elementary question: How will you jam the RFID communication?
                  In the UEC, wages are beggarly, and hungry engineers are busy with their daily chores, and not creating breakthrough technologies.
                  Over the past 9 years, the gap between the technical level of the Russian Federation and the West has only grown.
                4. poquello
                  poquello 17 February 2021 20: 08
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  For 60 for Moscow is life from hand to mouth.

                  )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))), before making thoughtful conclusions) ))))))))))))))))), Corsicano pizza with added cheese and chicken barbecue about 800 rubles a box, you can't eat or gobbled up in one mug, you're so hungry .., know how to use a calculator? )))))))))))))))
                5. Professor
                  Professor 17 February 2021 21: 30
                  -2
                  Quote: poquello
                  Quote: Professor
                  For 60 for Moscow is life from hand to mouth.

                  )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))), before making thoughtful conclusions) ))))))))))))))))), Corsicano pizza with added cheese and chicken barbecue about 800 rubles a box, you can't eat or gobbled up in one mug, you're so hungry .., know how to use a calculator? )))))))))))))))

                  I can, my young reader. If you live in a hut and pay only for food, then you can live on 60 in Moscow. However, in Moscow, it is also necessary to pay and dress for housing and communal services. You will understand this when you grow up that in addition to pizza for 000 rubles (800 pizzas for a monthly salary), an adult has to pay for many other things.
                6. poquello
                  poquello 17 February 2021 22: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  an adult has to pay for many more things.

                  for the loss of the Motherland, for example), then you are hooked not childishly ..
                  With a calculator, it became shitty, so read the Muscovites instead of amusing people here, for example
                  Life in Moscow, budget and spending of the middle class
                  https://pikabu.ru/story/zhizn_v_moskve_byudzhet_i_tratyi_srednego_klassa_6815947
                  Dano is a family of two workers

                  And so 90 - 000 rubles / month of standard living expenses, without major purchases. Clothing, annual leave are separate items of expenditure. We don't save much, but we don't allow ourselves too much.

                  hunger in this particular case looks like this
                  Lunch at work - business lunch (plus water, cigarettes) - 500 / day per person. Total 1000 for two, for 20 working days (average) 20 / month
                  We'll take food home for breakfast / dinner 800 / day only on weekdays, about weekends it will be lower (here I want to clarify that we eat in the middle price segment, while premium products such as steaks and red fish can once a month, we buy in a simple network hypermarket, I know the price plug for all products well) Total 16 / month

                  Leisure at the weekend, there will be nothing special here either. We go to the cinema, theaters, visit exhibitions, meet friends in bars / restaurants with an average check of 1500 / person.

                  Quote: Professor
                  life from hand to mouth.

                  )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                7. Professor
                  Professor 18 February 2021 10: 11
                  -1
                  Quote: poquello
                  And so 90 - 000 rubles / month of standard living expenses, without major purchases. Clothing, annual leave are separate items of expenditure... We don't save much, but we don't allow ourselves too much.

                  Well yes. 90-000 is not including the purchase of clothes, and if at 60 we also dress, then there is clearly not enough for food. Although if only macaros ...

                  Why didn't you bring this quote: "Our monthly income is about 150 thousand rubles for two. What remains goes into the piggy bank of holidays, taxes, MOT, OSAGO, CASCO, clothes, help to parents. In fact, we just live in ZERO, over the past couple of years, they have managed to accumulate absolutely nothing. "

                  So 60 is life from hand to mouth. But you will understand this when you enter adulthood.
                8. poquello
                  poquello 18 February 2021 19: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  Well yes. 90-000 is not including the purchase of clothes, and if you also dress with 100, then there is clearly not enough for food. Although if only macaros ...

                  Why didn't you cite this quote: "Our monthly income is about 150 thousand rubles for two. What remains goes into the piggy bank of holidays, taxes, MOT, OSAGO, CASCO, clothes, help to parents. In fact, we just live in ZERO, over the past couple of years, they have managed to accumulate absolutely nothing. "

                  So 60 is life from hand to mouth. But you will understand this when you enter adulthood.

                  jerk off calculator))))))))))))))))))))), adult)))))))))))))))))))))), and the value the words "from hand to mouth".
                  60% of US state school students cannot afford to have breakfast in the cafeteria - this is "half-starving"

                  50% of the lives of 67 million US citizens are standing in line for food stamps. The queue is already formed at 5-6 in the morning.
                9. Professor
                  Professor 18 February 2021 21: 12
                  -1
                  Quote: poquello
                  jerk off calculator))))))))))))))))))))), adult)))))))))))))))))))))), and the value the words "from hand to mouth".

                  With a salary, an engineer can buy one phone wassat
                  https://moscow.shop.megafon.ru/mobile/118196.html
                  I am correcting, it cannot. 60 is dirty, and the phone is clean.

                  Quote: poquello
                  50% of the lives of 67 million US citizens are standing in line for food stamps. The queue is already formed at 5-6 in the morning.

                  And in America, blacks are lynched.
                10. poquello
                  poquello 18 February 2021 23: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  I am correcting, it cannot. 60 is dirty, and the phone is clean.

                  you are in trouble with reality, try to find, not like a Muscovite, a person without a phone, last year I bought a kid to replace a xiaomi redmi 7a for 4500r, the watch for a change this year jet von sp2 is 2300r.
                11. Professor
                  Professor 19 February 2021 08: 39
                  0
                  Quote: poquello
                  Quote: Professor
                  I am correcting, it cannot. 60 is dirty, and the phone is clean.

                  you are in trouble with reality, try to find, not like a Muscovite, a person without a phone, last year I bought a kid to replace a xiaomi redmi 7a for 4500r, the watch for a change this year jet von sp2 is 2300r.

                  You can walk with no telephone, eat macaroni, live at the train station, wear old clothes and live on 60. It all depends on life's needs. If you think that on 000 rubles a young engineer can live in Moscow, feed his family and further down the list, then continue to think so. I have different requests and standards. I have a bicycle that your engineer has been working on for a year and does not have at all.
                  The problem is different. Being an engineer for 60 or even 000 is not karma. The engineer sees what is happening around and sooner or later if he represents something of himself he will go to another sphere or leave for another country where his work will be appreciated and paid for and the Russian engine building will finally die ...
                12. poquello
                  poquello 19 February 2021 19: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  I have a bicycle for which your engineer has been working for a year and does not eat at all.

                  )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                  and what for him your bike, half a lama costs an UAZ patriot and thirty thousand a good scooter on batteries

  2. Ka-52
    Ka-52 20 February 2021 09: 37
    -2
    Israel does not need aircraft engine production

    Yes of course. A pathetic attempt to get off the topic is not counted.
    I should kind of know that the blade is a key element in a modern aircraft engine.

    The paddle is NOT the key element, the chatterbox. One of the key elements is the compressor. The blade is one of the most stressed engine parts. How much are tomatoes, huckster?
    Yes, really what does the machine for the manufacture of turbine blades have to do with it?

    what an amazing logic the underprocessors have laughing ... We are discussing the POSSIBILITY of the production of an AVIAD ENGINE, and instead of this, the non-Russian starts whining about the machines. Why don't you start crowing here about screwdrivers and torque wrenches? After all, it is almost the same as an aircraft engine. fool
    More efficient? Are you soothing yourself?

    come on, stand up that it's not so.
    What is it enough for you?

    well enough for more than you
    Is this so angry?

    angry? request I'm laughing at another clown, what's the pissed off? On the contrary, I am impressed by you on this resource, because such quality jesters are not often found wassat
    In the UEC, wages are beggarly, and hungry engineers are busy with their daily chores, and not creating breakthrough technologies.

    aha, I've already heard these clucking. Find something new to cover your obser laughing
    You have merged and could not answer the elementary question: How will you jam the frequency hopping communication?

    Are you stupid? I immediately wrote that
    I could give you data from the ceiling and you cannot refute them, since you are not competent to make any conclusion. As not competent to make any conclusions about the possibility or impossibility to interfere with the radio signal. Finish this booth already.

    are you a radio frequency specialist? Not. You just pomelo sofa (may one more remark from the admins come to me, but okay). You can't tell a diode from a triode, but there too laughing
    Over the past 9 years, the gap between the technical level of the Russian Federation and the West has only grown.

    only your bird hubbub in tyrnetika intensified. That's for sure laughing
  3. Professor
    Professor 20 February 2021 10: 12
    +2
    Quote: Ka-52
    Yes of course. A pathetic attempt to get off the topic is not counted.

    It does not need, just as it does not need, the production of icebreakers. Not because he cannot create (he did in the past), because he participates in the international division of labor and receives the world's best aircraft engines. I gave the link above.

    Quote: Ka-52
    The paddle is NOT the key element, the chatterbox. One of the key elements is the compressor. The blade is one of the most stressed engine parts. How much are tomatoes, huckster?

    I see from a big mind you go to rudeness? Let the blades of aircraft engines not be the key elements for you. This is not the case with us.
    Ordinary tomatoes at 3 shekels per kg, "Sheri" at 9.

    Quote: Ka-52
    what an amazing logic the underprocessors have. We are discussing the POSSIBILITY of the production of an AVIATION ENGINE, and instead of this, the non-loyalist starts whining about the machines. Why don't you start crowing here about screwdrivers and torque wrenches? After all, it is almost the same as an aircraft engine.

    Are you being rude again?
    Production is impossible without a measuring tool. It's elementary !!! So we sell you three-coordinate measuring machines for your blades, not you to us.

    "nedoevreychik", "crow"? Drink some water and Uzbek, my dear. Well, I poked you into the links and facts. So what? Don't be so worried. You will never die like that. lol

    Quote: Ka-52
    well enough for more than you

    I readily believe that your salary of 60 is enough for you for more than mine. I just have high requests. A couple of times a year in Europe to have a rest, a villa with a sea view and other excesses. However, this is not about that, but about how, with beggarly salaries, it is possible to attract specialists to industry. China pays mechanics $ 000, you $ 3, Israel $ 000. This is how industry is developed, not slogans.

    Quote: Ka-52
    angry? I'm laughing at another clown, what's the pissed off? On the contrary, I impress you on this resource, because such quality jesters are not often found

    Obviously you have an inferiority complex from this and you are rude. You shouldn't be angry with me. As you know, I am responsible only for the lack of water in your tap, Obama is pissing in the elevator, but for the rest of the squalor it is you. fellow

    Quote: Ka-52
    aha, I've already heard these clucking. Find something new to cover your obser

    The link to your favorite UEC with "required" I gave above. In response, you are again rude that I am responsible for the beggarly salaries at your enterprise.

    Quote: Ka-52
    Are you stupid? I immediately wrote that

    That is, you do not know how to drown the connection with the frequency hopping, and am I stupid?

    Quote: Ka-52
    are you a radio frequency specialist? Not. You just pomelo sofa (may one more remark from the admins come to me, but okay). You can't tell a diode from a triode, but there too

    Nevertheless, unlike you, I have experience of working with communication with the frequency hopper, and unlike you, I know how it can be "muffled".

    Quote: Ka-52
    Over the past 9 years, the gap between the technical level of the Russian Federation and the West has only grown.

    only your bird hubbub in tyrnetika intensified. That's for sure

    As you lag behind in technology, you and others like you will become more and more rude from anger and complexes. And this will be a lag and it is not my fault. It's elementary. Look at the competition in your universities for the faculty of physics or electronics and everything will become clear. Well, a smart person will not go to study for 4 years and then receive 60 a month.
  • IL-18
    IL-18 16 February 2021 12: 46
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    we both have Russian OS

    The Americans will bring them to this with sanctions. After 2014, I began to touch with my own hands the instrument and equipment really made in Russia. What can I do, I will even accept your sarcasm about the fact that without sanctions this would not have happened, but nevertheless, there is some movement. Although, a bunch of operating systems, as in pre-dovs times, are not the best option.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 16 February 2021 09: 17
    -1
    So far, the Khibiny has not been used against Israel, as well as the C300 ... there must be good reasons for this. Keep shooting Syria from the Lebanese sky ... It's safer for your flyers this way.
    1. Professor
      Professor 16 February 2021 09: 49
      +1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      So far, the Khibiny has not been used against Israel, as well as the C300 ... there must be good reasons for this. Keep shooting Syria from the Lebanese sky ... It's safer for your flyers this way.

      So far, the S-300 can be congratulated on its first combat experience against Israeli offensive weapons. Defeated the S-300 by shooting down an Israeli suicide drone. We also saw Pantsiri and Buki in action in Syria and Libya. TOR was lit in a battle in the Caucasus. Now you will frighten those who have no analogues in the world of the S-400? S-500? S-600?

      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The satellites will be distributed in the first place, nothing prevents the use of anti-satellite weapons in the event of a global conflict.

      1. I wrote above: "and the bourgeoisie rely less and less on it." Today the Zionists have tested a drone that does not use GPS at all.
      2. It is impossible to shoot down all the satellites. Our friend Musk launches tens of thousands of communication satellites with which geo-location can be carried out.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 16 February 2021 10: 06
        -3
        Max will replace Lord God soon ... believe in him. There is no point in scaring you ... С300, С400, С500, С600, С700 are you coolly put it ... natural circus according to Zhirinovsky. smile
      2. IL-18
        IL-18 16 February 2021 12: 49
        0
        Quote: Professor
        Today the Zionists have tested a drone that does not use GPS at all.

        Biden was scared. This is not a liberal named Trump.
        1. Professor
          Professor 16 February 2021 13: 30
          +2
          Quote: IL-18
          Quote: Professor
          Today the Zionists have tested a drone that does not use GPS at all.

          Biden was scared. This is not a liberal named Trump.

          You cannot rely on satellite navigation alone. Departure from it, or rather duplication, has long been embodied.
          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 16 February 2021 13: 46
            -3
            Quote: Professor
            You cannot rely on satellite navigation alone. Departure from it, or rather duplication, has long been embodied.

            English is not my native language, I would translate at least something ... but in general you are right, our pilots fly without "satellite", and nobody canceled "tablets with a pencil and slide rule". can yours do that?
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          3. IL-18
            IL-18 16 February 2021 19: 54
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Here's your ruler.

            And now give me a logarithmic ruler .. recourse ... Well, I'll measure the length of the pencil for her, of course. Professor! For some reason, it seems to me that this applies to Israel and the rest of the world. But I saw her in the comedian's tablet of young officers. And how is it in your area?
          4. Professor
            Professor 16 February 2021 20: 14
            0
            Quote: IL-18
            Quote: Professor
            Here's your ruler.

            And now give me a logarithmic ruler .. recourse ... Well, I'll measure the length of the pencil for her, of course. Professor! For some reason, it seems to me that this applies to Israel and the rest of the world. But I saw her in the comedian's tablet of young officers. And how is it in your area?

            I have no idea.

            Quote: IL-18
            Her Majesty is inertial. But now the gyroscope is a few microcircuits. And what is their resistance to external factors, to be honest, I do not quite understand.

            If you are on an airplane, then there is already enough electronics. If on a bomb then nothing this electronics is afraid. She's a kamikaze.
    2. IL-18
      IL-18 16 February 2021 19: 40
      +1
      Her Majesty is inertial. But now the gyroscope is a few microcircuits. And what is their resistance to external factors, to be honest, I do not quite understand.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 February 2021 03: 15
    +1

    Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
    Yesterday, 09: 49
    We also saw Pantsiri and Buki in action in Syria and Libya. TOR was lit in a battle in the Caucasus. Now you will frighten those who have no analogues in the world of the S-400? S-500? S-600?
    and what is there with the trash called the iron dome in Israel? Huh? How much did he ask ... overlooked all sorts of blanks made on his knees flying with subsonic? Ac? Or do you only see ours? Pshvnsknaevaya !!!!
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 16 February 2021 09: 21
    -1
    does Russia only have the Khibiny?
    by the way, the Khibiny is not designed for GPS
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 16 February 2021 09: 29
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    "Our Khibiny will drown out all the enemy's communications.

    And where did you get the idea that apart from "Khibiny" we have nothing?
    Are you aware of all our developments in this area?
    1. Professor
      Professor 16 February 2021 09: 54
      0
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Quote: Professor
      "Our Khibiny will drown out all the enemy's communications.

      And where did you get the idea that apart from "Khibiny" we have nothing?
      Are you aware of all our developments in this area?

      I know. Unlike most people here, I am also aware of the principles of electronic warfare. Continue to believe that "electronic warfare is our everything" and "bourgeois without GPS are not capable of fighting."
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 16 February 2021 10: 31
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        I know.

        Where from? belay
        Are you personally informed about secret developments?
        1. Professor
          Professor 16 February 2021 10: 51
          +1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Professor
          I know.

          Where from? belay
          Are you personally informed about secret developments?

          Yeah. Personally. wassat
          All these complexes are advertised every day ...
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 16 February 2021 10: 17
      +1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Quote: Professor
      "Our Khibiny will drown out all the enemy's communications.

      And where did you get the idea that apart from "Khibiny" we have nothing?
      Are you aware of all our developments in this area?


      Actually, what really stands in the troops has long been announced ...

      And any dreams that are supposedly being developed are not in the troops. And in a combat situation - they are not applicable, since they are either projects or projects.

      And yes, everything that stands in the troops - everything is visible on the State Procurement website.
      1. poquello
        poquello 16 February 2021 20: 03
        -1
        Quote: SovAr238A
        And yes, everything that stands in the troops - everything is visible on the State Procurement website.

        tth overexposure you will not prompt?
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 16 February 2021 09: 07
    +1
    The satellites will be distributed in the first place, nothing prevents the use of anti-satellite weapons in the event of a global conflict.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 16 February 2021 09: 22
      0
      GPS are geostationary satellites.
      these are heights of 40 thousand km. until they can finish it off only ...
      in general, no one yet. even those spacecraft that, as it were, can shoot down other spacecraft operate in orbits up to 1 km.
      1. Professor
        Professor 16 February 2021 09: 54
        +3
        Quote: Dodikson
        GPS are geostationary satellites.

        Nifiga they are not geostationary.

        Quote: Dodikson
        lol, article from 2012.
        but nothing that then the whole world complained that Russia in some places clogs the GPS and it does not work there?

        Is it okay that it was just a civil, open signal? Such jammers for a penny:
        https://www.banggood.com/N8-Handheld-8-Band-GPS-Anti-Tracker-CDMA-GSM-DCS-2G-3G-4G-WIFI-BD-Various-Hertz-Country-Customized-p-1486832.html?utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_organic&gmcCountry=IL&utm_content=minha&utm_campaign=minha-il-en-pc&currency=ILS&cur_warehouse=CN&createTmp=1&ID=567186&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_bgs&utm_content=sandra&utm_campaign=ssc-il-all-0624-20lp&ad_id=444281261029&gclid=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSoOnRe3A75kmGiiRrU_DU7eEKfMh6maeZDXlqVOATAtP1QNnnL3M9saAuhGEALw_wcB
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 16 February 2021 14: 03
          -2
          satellites, yes, I was mistaken due to the fact that from memory they are at an altitude of tens of thousands of kilometers, and geostationary ones hang at 40 thousand meters.
          but for 20 thousand they still won't get it.
          but they complained about the clogging of frequencies and the military. see. exercises on the scandinavian peninsula
          1. Professor
            Professor 16 February 2021 14: 14
            0
            Quote: Dodikson
            satellites, yes, I was mistaken due to the fact that from memory they are at an altitude of tens of thousands of kilometers, and geostationary ones hang at 40 thousand meters.
            but for 20 thousand they still won't get it.
            but they complained about the clogging of frequencies and the military. see. exercises on the scandinavian peninsula

            Did someone say that it is impossible to interfere? Of course you can, but ... completely drowning it out is another matter entirely.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 16 February 2021 14: 51
              -1
              it is possible, there is no longer spoofing, but power hammering.
              but the range is relatively small. flashlights up to 100 km
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 16 February 2021 13: 50
      -4
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The satellites will be distributed in the first place, nothing prevents the use of anti-satellite weapons in the event of a global conflict.

      draw how hundreds of satellites will be shot down, how they will reach their orbit ... have fun.
    3. ironic
      ironic 16 February 2021 16: 52
      0
      It remains only to wait for the global conflict and the distribution of satellites ... I'm afraid that something from reality at VO will soon cease to be discussed.
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 16 February 2021 09: 20
    -2
    lol, article from 2012.
    but nothing that then the whole world complained that Russia in some places clogs the GPS and it does not work there?
    so mattresses renew iron to new
    According to American media reports, by the end of this year, the US Army will install anti-jamming GPS equipment on the Stryker armored personnel carrier of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment in Germany. Its main feature will be the availability of a backup copy in case of a failure in the inertial navigation system (INS), provoked by a new generation of Russian GPS jammers.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 16 February 2021 10: 19
      +2
      [quote = Dodixon] lol, article from 2012.
      but nothing that then the whole world complained that Russia in some places clogs the GPS and it does not work there?

      Don't confuse peacetime civil complaints with that. what will happen in a real clash.
      Provided that the complaints may be overly exaggerated.
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 16 February 2021 13: 58
        -3
        1) the military complained, like it interfered with their teachings
        2) point 1 is unconvincing because they can lie, but I myself read a couple of years ago that the mattresses tested new GPS modules with increased noise immunity because the old ones became vulnerable to Russian electronic warfare
        3) there was more than one article about the equipment of the FSO, there were also GPS spoofers, given that the FSO resists not only civilian threats, then spoofers also act on military frequencies
        4) it is difficult to change them at military frequencies, there is encryption, but given that the encryption key on the satellite can be changed just to spit on the supported hardware (there are tens of thousands of GPS GOS) it is problematic to do this. And the key can be hacked (because it is many years old and old standards encryptions are stupidly vulnerable even for a brutus of an average corporation, then for a large state it is not difficult to break it)
        5) even if the encryption key cannot be broken, then you can hammer the frequencies so that they do not pass at all. the only drawback is that a high power of the emitter is needed and it covers an average radius of 100 km, but this is also a lot.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 16 February 2021 12: 31
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Nobody has managed to block satellite navigation yet,

    Ay ay, how did it happen?

    Russia has figured out how to jam US drones in Syria, officials say
    Four US officials said Russia's signal scrambling has seriously affected military operations.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/russia-has-figured-out-how-jam-u-s-drones-syria-n863931
    1. Professor
      Professor 16 February 2021 13: 32
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      Quote: Professor
      Nobody has managed to block satellite navigation yet,

      Ay ay, how did it happen?

      Russia has figured out how to jam US drones in Syria, officials say
      Four US officials said Russia's signal scrambling has seriously affected military operations.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/russia-has-figured-out-how-jam-u-s-drones-syria-n863931

      Ah ah ah. And where does it say that satellite navigation was blocked?
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 16 February 2021 16: 03
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Ah ah ah. And where does it say that satellite navigation was blocked?

        I hope it's not hard for you to notice that these words are not mine.
        1. Professor
          Professor 16 February 2021 18: 23
          -2
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: Professor
          Ah ah ah. And where does it say that satellite navigation was blocked?

          I hope it's not hard for you to notice that these words are not mine.

          Here I am about the same. Not blocked.
  • Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 16 February 2021 13: 40
    -2
    Quote: Professor
    Nobody has managed to block satellite navigation yet,

    well, they never tried ... there was no reason.
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 16 February 2021 09: 00
    +2
    The old fashioned way, like great-grandfathers on Shermans. The main thing is that for all these network-centric bells and whistles the corporations get the loot, but as it is there in battle - this is not their concern.
  • ironic
    ironic 16 February 2021 16: 13
    0
    And where will so many Peresvetov come from, and when was the last time electronic warfare managed to thwart an unmanned attack drone attack?
  • Pereira
    Pereira 16 February 2021 08: 42
    +5
    Good question. It turns out that it doesn't matter what kind of equipment, American or Soviet. It is important who sits inside. It would be necessary to remind about this more often to those who hait Russian tanks.
    1. ironic
      ironic 16 February 2021 16: 54
      -1
      Who sits inside, of course, is important, then in the end the soldier fights. But the Soviet tanks were not calculated on the soldier, for this they are kicked, quite deservedly.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 16 February 2021 09: 06
    -2
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Was it the Abrams that failed there, or were they the Iraqi home-grown "Panzermans"?

    What does the Panzermans have to do with it? The tank is outdated even then.
    Even Americans admit it
    On March 30, no doubt, a sensational article was published on the website of the American newspaper USA Today. In it, for the first time since the start of the current Iraqi campaign, data on the losses of American tanks in Iraq were published. In addition, the author (by the way, the name of this American is Steven Kuznetsov), provided generalized data on how exactly the Abrams were destroyed.
    So, judging by USA Today data, since the beginning of the campaign in Iraq, that is, since the spring of 2003, the Pentagon has lost about 80 Abrams tanks in this country, which is 4,5 times more than the losses in the first Iraqi war, when on the battlefield only 18 cars remained. In fact, for a two-year war and 80 units is quite a bit, but considering that the Iraqis, unlike the Chechen militants, did not use ATGMs against tanks, but fought only with the help of homemade mines and anti-tank grenade launchers, then we will have to seriously doubt the merits "the best tank in the world".
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 16 February 2021 09: 17
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      What does the panzermans have to do with it, the tank is specifically outdated even then
      Where in your comment is there even a word about the obsolescence of Abrams? Only about the weapons of Iraqi resistance and the inflated "merits"))) of the tank.
      Quote: APASUS
      In fact, for a two-year war, 80 units is not much.
      The fact that the platform is not new, so what, the T-72BM3 is now for scrap, for example? Abrasha has already been hung with what is possible, and 120 mm and to this day are not cockroaches sneezes.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 16 February 2021 09: 19
        -3
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Where in your comment is there even a word about the obsolescence of Abrams? Only about the weapons of Iraqi resistance and the inflated "merits"))) of the tank.

        It is strange that I have to draw conclusions for you from the information read.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 16 February 2021 09: 37
          +2
          Quote: APASUS
          It is strange that I have to draw conclusions for you from the information read.
          A completely identical counterclaim.
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 16 February 2021 13: 55
      -5
      Quote: APASUS
      So, judging by USA Today data, since the beginning of the campaign in Iraq, that is, since the spring of 2003, the Pentagon has lost about 80 Abrams tanks in this country, which is 4,5 times more than the losses in the first Iraqi war, when on the battlefield only 18 cars remained. In fact, for a two-year war and 80 units is quite a bit, but considering that the Iraqis, unlike the Chechen militants, did not use ATGMs against tanks, but fought only with the help of homemade mines and anti-tank grenade launchers, then we will have to seriously doubt the merits "the best tank in the world".

      do not forget about the "valor" of the Iraqi military, who simply abandoned their equipment and fled ... but these tanks, too, were taken as "hit" by the Americans.
    3. ironic
      ironic 16 February 2021 16: 57
      0
      The side armor of the Abrams is not the strongest place, therefore, anti-tank grenade launchers in the absence of KAZ could inflict significant damage on them. But this does not mean that the tank has no modernization potential and needs to be drained.
  • poquello
    poquello 16 February 2021 19: 32
    -2
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Quote: APASUS
    Biggest failure in Iraq

    Was it the Abrams that failed there, or were they the Iraqi home-grown "Panzermans"?

    You should be more specific.

    abrams burn well
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 16 February 2021 08: 39
    -3
    The stability of the engineering system is limited by the stability of the weakest link. If in the usual case it is just a tank track, then in the declared one this factor is not predictable at all - from GPS operation to a lousy processor for 2 cents. So go for it, guys, throw in the dough, you have a lot of them. Look, you will sell hundreds of another penguin.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 16 February 2021 08: 45
      0
      Quote: NDR-791
      Look, you will sell hundreds of another penguin.

      Well, what to sell, or rather to make you buy, there is no doubt about that
  • SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 16 February 2021 09: 45
    0
    Quote: APASUS
    Replacing the M1A2 Abrams tank with a new one is long overdue, and the biggest failure in Iraq confirms this. But the Americans are again investing in advertising, now it is a tank for network-centric war in an unmanned version.


    What was the failure in Iraq?
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 16 February 2021 10: 17
      -1
      Probably when the Iraqis from Kalash were picking two abrams on the bridge laughing
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 16 February 2021 10: 37
        -1
        Quote: Cowbra
        Probably when the Iraqis from Kalash were picking two abrams on the bridge laughing


        From Kalash?

        uuuuu ....

        Believe it yourself?
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 16 February 2021 11: 09
          -2
          Google to help, there is a video on the network. If you don't know, you don't have to make fun of yourself.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 16 February 2021 11: 16
        +1
        Quote: Cowbra
        Probably when the Iraqis from Kalash were picking two abrams on the bridge

        From an RPG - I would have believed. From the DShK - unlikely, but let's say he was very lucky, he demolished all the optics and electronics that are outside the tank before the response arrived. But from Kalash - it is extremely doubtful. Moreover, 2.
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 16 February 2021 11: 32
          -1
          They smashed the observation devices point-blank, one tank blindly tried to escape, fell from the bridge - 4 corpses, the second was burned almost by newspapers. After that, buckshot was added to the Abrams' ammunition rack. I have already seen this video even on this site twice.
        2. poquello
          poquello 16 February 2021 22: 26
          -1
          Quote: Nagan
          From DShK - unlikely, but let's say very lucky

          )
          And now the intrepid Mujahideen begin to beat from the "antediluvian" DShK on the additional engine of the ultra-modern "Abrams" with armor-piercing incendiary bullets that reliably pierce two-centimeter armor. DDM fails and lights up. Smoke enters the compartment where the "Negro loader" is located. The Negro is accustomed to the clean air of his native Alabama and therefore jumps out of the tank shouting "Fuck you fucking motherfuckers !!!", which we will not translate, for cultured people. The Mujahideen do not like this either, because the Sharia is categorically against desecrating the environment with bad words. Therefore, they begin to beat at the Negro from the "Kalash", which they have one in each hand and one more "Kalash" behind the back for the show. Despite the assertions of the "experts" that it is impossible to get anywhere from the "Kalash", they still end up in a Negro.

          The original publication source: https://politikus.ru/articles/politics/8346-kak-podbit-abrams-iz-krupnokalibernogo-pulemeta.html
          Politikus.ru
  • Locksmith
    Locksmith 16 February 2021 10: 52
    0
    Duc "where to get shovels for everyone" - there are only 5000 of them made, but 50000 are required :))
  • ironic
    ironic 16 February 2021 16: 10
    0
    And why do they need a new MBT, if there is room for modernizing the existing one, despite the fact that the need for MBT today is falling in terms of quantity indicators?
  • Revolver
    Revolver 16 February 2021 08: 43
    +5
    It is quite possible to automate the mechvod, both the gunner and even the commander. But the loader is not very clear how. Because, if they could, they would have automated it long ago, but, obviously, the automatic loader does not fit well into the existing turret with the existing ammunition rack.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 16 February 2021 08: 49
      +3
      But the loader is not very clear how.
      wassat wassat wassat About they have long been automated wassat
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 16 February 2021 08: 59
        +2
        Black Lives Matter !!!
        tongue wassat
        But seriously, depending on the length of service and rank, a tank crew member receives from $ 23000 (a private, barely trained) and up to $ 65000 (a sergeant with considerable experience). So to put a machine gun instead of any of them would be a big economy. But ... it is evident, or they cannot, or there are considerations besides economic ones.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 16 February 2021 10: 34
          +1
          Quote: Nagan
          Black Lives Matter !!!
          tongue wassat
          But seriously, depending on the length of service and rank, a tank crew member receives from $ 23000 (a private, barely trained) and up to $ 65000 (a sergeant with considerable experience). So to put a machine gun instead of any of them would be a big economy. But ... it is evident, or they cannot, or there are considerations besides economic ones.


          Why would this economy be?
          Well, do you really think that the automatic loader, its development, its production, its integration in the design of a tank is worth nothing?
          Does training repair teams cost nothing to set up an automatic loader?
          Are the extra employees in the repair depots, the extra equipment, the extra parts, the extra logistics, the extra storage space - which is designed to keep the automatic loader working - are they worth nothing?

          Charging with any other VUS - is it not trained? cannot he perform other functions at a time when he is not busy with the tray of shells?
          Caterpillars not trained to change?
          To use the radio?
          Shoot a machine gun?

          And more.
          The autoloader does not allow "playing" with the charges.
          He has a strictly regulated projectile size.

          And with manual loading, you can at least throw a one and a half meter BOPS blank into the barrel ...


          And yes.
          Use in battle as the only combat factor:
          1. Human. which is easy to replace with another.
          2. Mechanical devices that are repaired only under conditions of rembat.
          gives the minimum time delay in the first case and a complete exit from the battle in the second case.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 16 February 2021 11: 04
            +2
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Why would this economy be?
            Well, do you really think that the automatic loader, its development, its production, its integration in the design of a tank is worth nothing?

            Salaries are the most visible part of the cost breakdown. But there is also life insurance, medical insurance (for the entire time of service, and if you serve enough, then life), pension (again, if you serve), payment for higher education at any university (either in absentia during service, or in person if you serve a full contract), all kinds of satisfaction during the service, and most likely a lot of other things that I did not remember or never knew. This is all money, and in total, much more salary. The army currently has over 6000 tanks, so multiply. And the development of an automatic loader is a project for a couple of years for somewhere 3-4-5 engineers, i.e. a one-time waste. Making and installing 6000 machines is also a one-time contract, even for millions. And its maintenance will mainly be by the crew, and what is there to service, except for lubricating the rubbing parts? So it would be economically beneficial. But, again, the command may have different views.
            And again, from the point of view of political correctness, it does not look good to deprive representatives of racial minorities of work. wassat
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Charging with any other VUS - is it not trained? cannot he perform other functions at a time when he is not busy with the tray of shells?
            Caterpillars not trained to change?
            To use the radio?
            Shoot a machine gun?

            At the English-language forum, there was a dispute, which is better, an automatic loader on Soviet / Russian tanks, or a live loader, like on Abrams, Merkava, and what else, and the following argument was made: "If they hit a caterpillar, will the automatic loader help you a lot? Give the loader a sledgehammer, and show him where to hit, and he will do it. " Then, I remember, I replied that in America African Americans are like filth, and in Israel they also exist, they are called Ethiopians, but the Russians do not have them, so we had to develop an automatic machine. For this he was banned for a week for racism. recourse
            1. ironic
              ironic 16 February 2021 17: 02
              -2
              The automatic loader also limits the length of the ammunition ... But rightly banned.
          2. Korax71
            Korax71 16 February 2021 22: 34
            0
            there is one more subtle plus of the presence of a loader. if a tank is hit, the crew has 4 people with four small arms, which increases the chances of survival in case of contact with the enemy good
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 16 February 2021 09: 07
        +3
        Quote: NDR-791
        they have been automated for a long time

        Only now he drinks and eats a lot laughing
      3. Cowbra
        Cowbra 16 February 2021 10: 15
        -2
        We have not seen the unmanned Israeli variant yet ...
        https://twitter.com/i/status/1347755959435726852
        1. ironic
          ironic 16 February 2021 17: 05
          0
          This is a pilot, just a women's project, with the right to test the capabilities of female crews. Infu needs to be given, not misinformation. While it was frozen, in that chils and because you can see it in the frame.
      4. IL-18
        IL-18 16 February 2021 12: 56
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        Declare the loader the tank commander. The rest can be replaced and checked with electronics, like the Soviet contraceptive 10 kopecks. By the way, I didn't let you down
    2. Old tanker
      Old tanker 16 February 2021 08: 57
      0
      Well, the commander should not be automated, of course. Although ... If he controls drones on the ground and in the sky. Then he is no longer a tank commander, but an operator of unmanned vehicles taking the place of a tank commander.
      Their insanity is growing stronger and this cannot but rejoice.
    3. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 16 February 2021 17: 35
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      Quote: Nagan
      It is quite possible to automate the mechvod, both the gunner and even the commander. But the loader is not very clear how. Because, if they could, they would have automated it long ago, but, obviously, the automatic loader does not fit well into the existing turret with the existing ammunition rack.


      The Americans made their first automatic loader back in 1943.
      First by the way.

      then there was the American-German MBT-70 tank, which was considered too powerful and expensive, and was abandoned
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 16 February 2021 08: 50
    0
    driven by artificial intelligence.

    But I'm wondering what will happen to this tank if one single part burns out in this AI. After all, it is possible that he will start to shoot at his own.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 16 February 2021 09: 05
      0
      Quote: Lipchanin
      But I'm wondering what will happen to this tank if one single part burns out in this AI.

      Everything will be duplicated, and some, perhaps, will be repeated. So in this sense - it will be protected from spontaneous breakdowns. And an armor-piercing shell will take out the brains not only of the machine gun, but also of the living crew members.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 16 February 2021 09: 09
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        Everything will be duplicated, and some of them, perhaps, will be repeated

        In space rockets, and not only in them, it is also repeatedly duplicated
        How many missiles and planes crash every year because of electronics failure
    2. ironic
      ironic 16 February 2021 17: 08
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      Switch to non-AI control. Since this year, this one begins to be produced in Israel, called Merkava-4 Barak. Previous versions will be upgraded to it. But this is not an unmanned version, the crew remains.
  • prior
    prior 16 February 2021 09: 12
    0
    To fight the super-duper Abrams, "one pill" is enough - to reset the tankers.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 16 February 2021 10: 35
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      Quote: prior
      To fight the super-duper Abrams, "one pill" is enough - to reset the tankers.


      This also applies to super-duper Armat, and everyone else up to the ZIS-3 ...
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 16 February 2021 09: 14
    0
    sorry for the Houthis ... all sorts of guerrillas with RPGs will not appreciate this ... Abrams burn very well ... and they never participated in serious battles with an echeloned anti-tank gun ...
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 16 February 2021 10: 35
      -1
      Quote: silberwolf88
      sorry for the Houthis ... all sorts of guerrillas with RPGs will not appreciate this ... Abrams burn very well ... and they never participated in serious battles with an echeloned anti-tank gun ...


      Those. tank battles with the T-72 in Iraq - absent?
      1. silberwolf88
        silberwolf88 16 February 2021 18: 28
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        Abrams did not participate in serious battles with echeloned anti-tank guns ...
        in Iraq ... with the betrayal of the command, there was no serious opposition ... most of the tanks were destroyed with the help of aviation ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 February 2021 09: 19
    +4
    The possibility is also being considered, in which the combat vehicle itself will be used in an unmanned version.

    Negro loader, the crew does not count .... cool!
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 16 February 2021 09: 37
    -1
    The possibility is also being considered in which the combat vehicle itself will be used in an unmanned version.

    Well, yes, the mechanic will be removed, the Negro Joe will be left - there is no automatic loader!
    1. ironic
      ironic 16 February 2021 17: 10
      -2
      I think there will be no such thing for Abrams, except for a couple of laboratory specimens, for developing technologies.
  • ironic
    ironic 16 February 2021 16: 42
    -1
    I don't see any sense in the unmanned Abrams.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 17 February 2021 16: 18
    +1
    Fine! BLM will not allow this, since the tank will be "unmanned", but the negro loader will remain, the AZ has never been made! laughing