The truth about Tibet

For many, Tibet is a "paradise with noble monks", "bright religion", "wise rulers" and "infinitely hard-working faithful people." But...


Tibet

Tibet. Western propaganda has driven into the head a strange cliche "occupation of Tibet." The West gently forgot that for almost a thousand years before 1959, Tibet was part of China, and only a few decades of Japanese occupation and civil war was outside the jurisdiction of the central Chinese government.

In short, in 1959, China did not have a special need for "occupation". The need arose when the United States realized that a medium-range rocket, placed at high mountains on 4-5 thousand meters above sea level, turns into a rocket of a very high range .. [more]

And as soon as this discovery was made, Tibet revolted against the central government. Strange, by the way - how can you revolt against someone you disobey? So that you then "occupied"?

However, the "occupation" occurred. But questions remained.
Why did a highland country in which a plain inhabitant suffocated without even physical effort could not resist?
Why did the country of the monasteries not rested in defensive battles for each gorge?
Why for centuries the most powerful fortifications built have not offered any resistance to put it mildly, poorly armed and not very well fed Chinese PLA?

Yes, because there was no one to defend the theocratic regime. A third of the population of Tibet in 1959 were slaves. Third - serfs. Moreover, both slaves and serfs were not cardboard - but the real ones.

The slave was the property. Cattle A slave could and should have been tortured, humiliated, starved and tortured. It was possible to cripple - in Tibet, the lamas were very fond of charms of severed human hands, hands and feet. Worn on the belt. Some specimens were covered with human flesh in several layers.

The serf was no different in legal status. His duty was one - to pay.
When there was nothing to pay, he was turned into a slave.
The debts of the fortress to the monastery were indexed - sometimes under 50-80% per annum (our banks loudly swallowed saliva and licked) and were transferred to children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. The interest debt was taken by human flesh — family members were turned into monastic slaves.

This is not the middle ages. These are the 50 years of the 20 century.

Tibetan lamas were theocratic rulers of a mountainous country. In the millionth of Tibet - 200 thousands of people were monks. The rest are slaves and serfs.

The monks, by the way, were not the highest caste either. Most were powerless and were in the position of practically the same slaves.
Each monastery had its own battle squad, whose task was to maintain the submission of subjects on the monastic land. As you understand, you cannot make a fighter from a punisher - therefore, such an army could not even resist the “occupation”.

Here, in fact, here lies the answer - why the people of Tibet did not stand up to protect their native land from the bloody invaders. It was not their land. It was the land of llamas.
Well, propaganda - yes, she drew a piece of paradise from Shambhala with noble monks, wise rulers and infinitely hard-working faithful people. Who enslaved the bloody conquerors. After all, nobody cares about how it really is when all the knowledge is taken from Jackie Chan films and journal articles about “Buddhist” Steven Seagal.

This "beautiful and mysterious" Tibet ...

Once there was talk about Tibet during the reign of the Dalai Lama and someone was surprised by the story that in the 20 of the last century, trying to find money for war with its neighbors, the spiritual ruler of Tibet, the Dalai Lama, introduced a tax on the ears.

Those. those who wanted his ears to remain with the owner had to pay the tax, otherwise they were cut off. I was exclaimed, "And this is the very free Tibet that the Chinese oppress?"

Well, let's look at how Tibet was before 1959, when slavery was abolished on the "bayonets of the National Liberation Army of China" in Tibet, the last of all the states of the Earth. Those who worry about the Dalai Lama in exile will never publish these photos about Tibetan paradise. See them yourself:

Upper row from left to right: Crafts of Tibetan llamas from the skulls of executed slaves - Wards from severed hands (they should have been worn at the waist) - A slave is dragged on the back of another slave who has his legs cut off for disobeying the master.

Bottom row from left to right: Slave and dog: one bedding for two - Slave in the shoe - Woman slave with severed foot
The truth about Tibet

Left: a slave to whom the master for faults expelled his eyes. Right: Slave Punishment Instruments



Places of residence of slaves. In the distance you can see the white palace complex



Slave holding his hand chopped off by the master



So did the slaves. Left belongings, right family itself



Old dying slave



Slave girl holding her husband's hand, severed before being buried alive



Now a little about what a slave could have been punished for.
There is a case in which the master sent a slave to a remote village with an assignment. He did not have time to return before dark and spent the night in the field. The field turned out to belong to some local landowner and he demanded money from the slave for the night. Naturally, he did not have any money, and then, in punishment, his arm was cut off.

When he weakened returned to his master, he, angry that a healthy, good slave had become an invalid, ordered to cut off his second arm.
Is it not true that this wonderful fairy-tale country deserves all approval from human rights organizations?

Here are more testimonies of people who visited Tibet and about the rules that prevailed there.
French traveler Alexandra David Neel in the book “Old Tibet before the New China” noted: “In Tibet, all the peasants are life-long serfs, among whom you can hardly find someone who managed to get rid of their debts”.

And David MacDonald, who in the 20 of the twentieth century worked as a UK trade representative in Tibet, wrote the following lines in his book “True Tibet”:

“The heaviest punishment in Tibet is the death penalty. Sentenced to death is sewn into a leather bag and thrown into the river. At first such a bag floats to the surface of the river, and after five minutes it sinks under the water. If the person in the bag does not die, then the bag is once again thrown into the river. If he is already dead, he is taken out of the bag, dismembered corpse and thrown into the water. In addition to the death penalty, there is a mass of cruel punishments: breaking hands and feet, poking out eyes, pouring hot oil or boiling water into the eyes, which deprives of sight, etc. After that, even with the preservation of life, the serf becomes an invalid. Criminals and suspects are kept in wet, dark and dirty dungeons until the end of their days. ”

However, not only slaves were bullied. Famous journalist Vsevolod Ochinnikov, who visited Tibet in 50's, recalls:

“It was explained to me that the Red Cap sect has long been developing the ability for telepathic contacts in young lamas. To improve the "roaming" of such a connection, a cruel custom was once used. Under the cornerstone of each new monastic building lay a teenage lama. The young man was introduced to the state of "samadhi", similar to a lethargic sleep, and without his knowledge, the sleeping man was covered forever with a stone slab.
They say that, just as a horse senses the grave of the owner, who was buried several years ago, the corpses of young lamas gave out radiation, which made it easier for telepaths to reach the desired object. In 1990, I talked in Lhasa with a professor of theology at the University of Tibet. Passed as a child to the Ganden Monastery, he was chosen for this sad fate. But he escaped, warned by a mentor who took pity on his student. ”

But maybe this is the agents of Chinese propaganda and brazenly slandering defenseless and kind lamas? Referring to the documents.
Melvin Goldstein, in his book The Snow Lion and the Dragon: China, Tibet, and the Dalai Lama (University of California Press, 1995), writes:

“A few centuries later, the army of the Chinese emperor was sent to Tibet in order to support the Supreme Lama - an ambitious man 25 years old, who later gave himself the title of Dalai (ocean) Lama, the ruler of all Tibet.

His two previous “incarnations” as a lama were retroactively recognized by his predecessors, thus turning the first Dalai Lama into the third Dalai Lama.
This first (or third) Dalai Lama seized monasteries that did not belong to his sect, and also destroyed Buddhist writings that expressed disagreement with his claims of holiness.
The Dalai Lama, who came to replace him, sybaritic, had many mistresses, arranged lush festivities in the company of friends, and in general, behaved in an unbecoming manner for his dignity. For this he was killed by his priests. During the 170 years, despite its recognized sacred status, five Dalai Lamas were killed by members of the clergy or their courtiers. ”

In 1660, a rebellion broke out in the province of Tsang, the stronghold of the rival Kagu sect, led by a supreme lama named Karmapa, during the fifth Dalai Lama. The Fifth Dalai Lama called for decisive action against the rebels, sending the Mongolian army to destroy men, women and children "like eggs breaking on stones ... In short, wipe out all their tracks, even their names."

In 1792, many Kagu monasteries were confiscated, and their monks were forcibly turned into the Gelug sect (Dalai Lama sect). The Gelug School, also known as “Yellow Hats,” did not want to be tolerant of other Buddhist sects.
The traditional sect prayers contained the following words:
“Blessed be you, oh, cruel god of the Yellow Hat teachings, turning into dust the great beings, high dignitaries and ordinary people who pollute and spoil the Gelug doctrine.”

The memoirs of a Tibetan general who lived in the 18th century contain descriptions of the struggle between Buddhist sects — as bloody and merciless as all other religious conflicts. This grim история remains unnoticed by today's followers of Tibetan Buddhism in the West.

Michael Parenti writes "Friendly Feudalism - the Myth of Tibet" (the passage is large, but we give it completely, because of its clarity):

"One 22-year-old woman, herself a runaway serf, reported:
“Pretty serf girls were usually taken by the landlord as domestic servants and used according to the master’s whim. They were just slaves without any rights. ”
To go anywhere, serfs needed permission. Landowners had the legal right to catch those who tried to escape.
One 24 year-old fugitive hailed the Chinese invasion as a “liberation.” He testified that under serfdom he was subjected to continuous harassment, cold and hungry. After the third failed attempt to escape, he was mercilessly beaten up by the landowner’s people, until his nose and mouth were bleeding. Then they poured alcohol and soda on his wounds in order to increase the pain.

The serfs were taxed on marriage, on the birth of every child and on every death of a family member. They paid a tax on planting a tree in their yard and on the maintenance of animals.
There were taxes on religious holidays, public dances and playing the drums; even imprisonment and release from it were taxed.

Those who could not find work paid a tax for being unemployed, and if they went to another village in search of work, they paid a tax on travel. If people could not pay, monasteries lent them money under 20-50%. Sometimes debts were passed on from father to son, from grandfather to grandson. Debtors who were unable to repay their obligations risked being sold into slavery.

Theocratic religious teachings relied on the class order. It was suggested to the poor and oppressed that they themselves brought upon their own misfortunes, because they had sinned in previous lives. Therefore, they had to put up with their bitter lot in present life and accept it as karmic retribution, living the hope of improving their fate in future incarnations. The rich and powerful considered their fortunate fate as a reward for their merits in past and present life.

Tibetan serfs did not always want to put up with the role of karmic victims guilty of their oppressed position. As we have seen, some fled; others resisted openly, often subjected to harsh punishments.
In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye poking, tearing out the tongue, tearing off the limbs — were the favorite types of punishment applied to thieves and runaway or obstinate serfs.

Traveling through Tibet in the 1960s, Stewart and Roma Herder interviewed the former serf, Tseref Wang Tuey, who had stolen two sheep belonging to the monastery. For this offense, both eyes were pulled out to him and they disfigured his hand so that he could not use it anymore.
He explained that he had ceased to be a Buddhist: “When the holy Lama ordered them to blind me, I thought that there was nothing good in religion.” Since the deprivation of life was contrary to the Buddhist teachings, some criminals were severely scourged, and then “left to God” to freeze overnight until death. “The striking similarities between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grünfeld in his book on Tibet.

In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment used by Tibetan rulers.
There were handcuffs of all sizes, including tiny ones for children, tools for cutting noses and ears, breaking hands, and cutting leg tendons.
There were hot stamping devices, whips and special gutting devices.
The exhibition presented photographs and evidence of victims who were blinded, maimed or deprived of limbs for theft.

One shepherd's owner had to pay compensation in yuan and wheat, but refused to pay. Then the shepherd took the cow from the owner. For this he cut off his hands. Another herdsman who resisted having his wife taken away from him and given her to a landlord was broke his hands. Were presented photos of communist activists with cut off noses and torn lips, as well as women who were first raped and then cut off her nose.

As much as we would like to believe the opposite, but feudal-theocratic Tibet was infinitely far from the romanticized Shangri-La, which Western proselytes of Buddhism enthusiastically admire. ”

Impressive evidence for a peaceful and kind religion and its chapter, is it not?

By the way, there is another myth (by the Dalai Lama himself, but also invented) - that the Dalai Lama is the head of all Buddhists. In fact, he is the head of all the Lamaists - the religion of the Tibetan lamas, who incorporated into their practice the terrible savagery - the traditional Tibetan Bon religion and the like.

We give once again the words of M. Parenti:

“For the rich lamas and landowners, communist intervention turned out to be a terrible misfortune. Most of them immigrated abroad, including the Dalai Lama himself, whom the CIA helped to escape.
Some, to their great horror, have discovered that they will have to earn their living by themselves.

Many, however, managed to avoid this sad fate. During the 1960s, the Tibetan emigrant community received $ 1.7 million per year from the CIA, according to documents published by the State Department in 1998 year. After the publication of this fact, the Dalai Lama’s organization itself admitted that it received millions of dollars from the CIA in the 1960 of the year to send armed units to Tibet to undermine the Maoist revolution.
The Dalai Lama received $ 186000 annually. Indian intelligence also financed him and other Tibetan exiles. The Dalai Lama refused to answer whether he and his brothers worked for the CIA or not. The CIA also did not comment on these facts. ”

Such a completely unflattering picture for the Tibetan lamas emerges if judgments are made about Lama theocracy, not on the reports of Western television channels, Hollywood films and the writings of Ms. Blavatsky, Roerich and other theosophists.

It may be objected that, say, the positively mysteriously sacred image of Tibet took shape long before Tibet was annexed to the PRC and the people there who were there did not mention anything like that.
To do this, just look at what the Europeans knew about Tibet in the XIX century, when these myths began to emerge. Yes, nothing, in fact, did not know.

There was a certain mysterious country, high in the mountains, in which, it was said, the wise men lived. In principle, this matrix is ​​quite enough to form a series of pseudo-religious speculations on it (as is well known, the more mysterious the information and the less you give it, the more it delays).

Most of those who shaped the myths about Tibet either have never been there, or were already there after they had formed their very definite opinion about him, and such people would not be dissuaded, even if the lamas were in front of them, started cooking babies. They would find their sacred meaning in it.

It is a pity that the theme of Tibet for many years was given at the mercy of various kinds of fraudsters and rogues of near-religious sense, which resulted in the formation of a kind of flaw of inaccessibility and mysteriousness around it.

Let's be objective - Tibetan Buddhism is no better or more sacred than Indian or Chinese, and Tibetan civilization in the 50 of the 20th century is not a “distinctive and unique education” at all, but a relic of the Middle Ages in the modern world, therefore all claims of lamas and their supporters of a certain exclusivity and the destruction of the unique civilization by the barbarians have about the same right to exist as the claims of neo-Nazis that the Bolshevik hordes destroyed the unique civilization of the Third Reich. Between them, by the way, a lot in common. No wonder the Nazi bosses so tenderly treated Tibet. We felt soul mates.

A characteristic moment, surrounded by the Dalai Lama, is still demanding that China return “what it was,” and we already know very well what it was. I do not think that the descendants of those 4 thousands of slaves who belonged personally to the Dalai Lama, will be terribly overjoyed at the prospect of returning to their ancestral condition. And they themselves talk about it. Yes, the Dalai Lama is still revered there as a spiritual leader, it is indisputable, but no more. It is noteworthy that the Chinese authorities have repeatedly proposed to the Dalai Lama to return to Tibet, as a spiritual ruler, under the current administration, from which he strongly discourages. He needs “everything to be as it was then,” and this is obviously impossible.

So let's recap. Tibet in 1959 is not at all the heavenly Shangri-La, but backward feudal theocracy, whose religious component was no more "sacral" than other currents of Buddhism, and the numerous facts of Tibetan lamas participation in torture and executions of people clearly contradict Buddhist canons. All this splendor was ruled by a handful of lamas and landowners, dazzling with their own permissiveness and impunity.

Two slaves bound together


Dying slave child


Slave, with a hand chopped off by the master


Tibetan slaves at work


Slaves for food (they ate once a day)


This slave is just 35 years old


Slaves begging for food


Slave boy and dog: one bowl of food at all


Blinded by his master slave


Boss chopped off his leg, in punishment for a crime


Dalai Lama's birthday gifts: dried human stomach, 2 heads, human blood, tanned human skin


Dried human skin


Dried baby skin


... So much for Tibet!
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  1. vadimus
    vadimus 24 August 2012 08: 50 New
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    Yes, the country is not rich ... But surely there are pluses there, and the destination is surely own ... But to measure everything with the Western measure of wealth is not a way out ...
    1. valokordin 24 August 2012 09: 17 New
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      here is Tibet, ate words may be false, but where to put the photo. I do not think that this is a photo montage, there is some truth. Fascists, medieval Catholics did the same, Torquemada in Spain burned more than 100 people during the Reconquista. and what European inquisitors did, and medieval civilization in Tibet. And Pol Pot, so I don’t think the article is fiction.
      1. Krasnodar 25 August 2012 01: 58 New
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        Yeah ... Solid romance! Any religion can be perverted if a person is unclean in his thoughts and desires. So much for “don’t kill”!
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    3. Ded_smerch 1 November 2015 16: 59 New
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      read an article or just walked by? By the way, everything is normal there on the topic of Western values, and how they like to love young Padawans in monasteries in the monasteries, they wrote about this a long time ago, and the chopped limbs are very by European standards.
  2. Dmitriy69 24 August 2012 08: 56 New
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    Very informative. So they learned to make white out of black and vice versa. Succeeded in this should be noted.
    1. Sakhalininsk 24 August 2012 10: 29 New
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      And try to put this material on some Western site .... a long story to tell, and the happiness that the people of Tibet will give advanced crap in the form of military bases at strategically important points and cannibalism described above as a great sacred meaning of spiritual freedom and liberation from the damned komunyak laughing
      Everything is as always, nothing new; everything is trite .... everything around is bad and only the west is the real Dartanyan :)
  3. snek
    snek 24 August 2012 08: 57 New
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    A strange article ... well, the author, of course, well done - collected shocked dried babies, a tax on ears, etc. Only in China itself at that time far from the most attractive phenomena took place. Yes, what really happened .. here, for example, what can now be found in the Middle Kingdom:
    http://blog.kp.ru/users/2923501/post105979582/
    But now I’m not saying that all Chinese are sick perverts. The author’s goal is to pour mud on Tibet and whitewash China. The goal of the reader is not to fall for cheap manipulations.
    1. танк
      танк 24 August 2012 12: 58 New
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      With weak nerves, the article on your link is better not to read this pees ... c complete. In the world normal, only we remained ....
      1. Letun 24 August 2012 13: 36 New
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        Quote: tank
        Only we remained normal in the world ....

        Aha wassat
        1. valokordin 24 August 2012 22: 13 New
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          Flyer, take the plane out of a steep peak
      2. Morgan stanley
        Morgan stanley 24 August 2012 15: 54 New
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        Quote: tank
        Only we remained normal in the world ....

        Yes ...
      3. Van
        Van 24 August 2012 21: 20 New
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        Quote: tank
        Only we remained normal in the world ....

        Definitely! hi Another part of the world is just some savages. belay
        1. lotus04
          lotus04 24 August 2012 22: 00 New
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          Quote: Wang
          Another part of the world is just some savages.


          Yeah! Isn't it time for us to go back to the future!
    2. kotdavin4i 24 August 2012 16: 00 New
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      Quote: snek
      from, for example, what can now be found in the Middle Kingdom:
      http://blog.kp.ru/users/2923501/post105979582/

      Good afternoon, Nikolai - about your link, this is fake. here is a good link - take a look (http://odimka.livejournal.com/151311.html) - who posted it to the network and when ...
    3. Gemar
      Gemar 24 August 2012 16: 27 New
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      Plus, Snek +! Koteiko is certainly scary ... Maybe even worse than the Chinese and Tibetans combined.
      Indeed, the article is more like propaganda. The Nazis also offered non-Aryan nations "decent wages, respect for their rights, regular salaries in stamps, etc." What did China bring to the "liberated PRC residents of barbaric Tibet"? The same as the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomy, namely, a bunch of shops opened by the Chinese (as a result, the Tibetans lack the slightest opportunity to compete in the small business), the brutal suppression of those who disagree with the CCP’s course, the Chinese’s unpunished ridicule over attempts to preserve local best of their identity .
      My opinion is that Tibetans are very peaceful people, they never tried to seize the lands of their neighbors. Let us think that Tibetan customs have nothing with universal values. However, they did not "descend from the mountains" in order to "chop off the limbs" to foreigners. On the contrary, they are characterized by self-isolation. The Chinese, on the other hand, dealt with them approximately the same as the Americans did with their savages. Those. tried and are trying to assimilate them, to impose their culture. And further contribute to their complete disappearance from the "traditionally Chinese lands."
      At the very same "cultured" Chinese, in Guangzhou, if you wish and the availability of funds, you can try the soup from a Chinese girl. One pot of such a soup will cost about 30 thousand yuan (160 rubles). As for slavery ... In the poor western province of Guizhou, parents, with great pleasure, will sell you a minor girl for "carnal pleasures" even cheaper. The Chinese jokingly told me that you, foreigners, they say the rich, you can go to Guizhou, buy a cheap bride - local guides will help.
      Why is this attitude towards girls? In China, traditionally, the family should have an heir - the "little emperor". The legislation does not allow giving birth to more than one child for free (the amount is quite small, but the walrus cannot be pulled by the poor). Therefore, in the Chinese "children's homes" you will hardly meet boys. Look, who are childless Americans taking out of China. Almost one girls !!! Ultrasound is prohibited by law so that parents do not have an abortion, having learned the future gender of the child (give the Chinese free rein, they will stamp some boys laughing ).
      Both Chinese and Tibetan culture are alien to us. And our "lack of culture" is known throughout the world. HOWEVER! The author of the article rather one-sidedly described all the advantages of the Chinese occupation.
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 24 August 2012 16: 49 New
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        Z.Y. He worked in YIU (Zhejiang Province), for 2 years he met a Chinese girl of small nationality + wow ... Yes, yes, it was + wow (回族 HUIZU - Chinese Muslims). Well, what can you do, so nationality is called request ... She proudly said that when she gets married, she can give birth to as many children as you want - this, by the way, is one of the few privileges of the indigenous peoples of China. But from the marriage to her I was restrained by a strong desire to help the Motherland soldier , with its demographic crisis. And not China, with its "demographic lawlessness" wassat .
        1. Gemar
          Gemar 24 August 2012 17: 13 New
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          Snek, just now read your link. Probably our Chinese "tsesno" flooded potential customers (the boss and me) about the cost of the dish. I won’t be surprised if a girl really costs 3-4 thousand yuan! am
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            Gemar 24 August 2012 17: 48 New
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            Quote: Gamar
            about the cost of the dish

            Have not tried the dish!
    4. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 24 August 2012 16: 58 New
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      I have already read about this for a long time. That is why I, and against the unification with China, they consider us barbarians and do this with us.
      We need to implement a project of a large Europe and EuroAzes. By unifying Europe under us and returning Soviet territories, we can survive in the crap that will start soon enough.
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 24 August 2012 17: 55 New
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        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        That's why I, and against the unification with China, they consider us barbarians and do this with us.

        Plus to you. Only they do not consider all Han Chinese barbarians. 中国 - Zhongguo - Zhongguo is the Chinese name of the PRC. Zhong is the middle, go is the country. The middle state, there are only barbarians around! With an undeveloped culture.
  4. sergey69 24 August 2012 09: 09 New
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    After reading the article, I somehow felt uneasy. What a horror movie I watched.
  5. Black Colonel 24 August 2012 09: 14 New
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    Another object for introducing democracy.
  6. Kurdalagon 24 August 2012 09: 20 New
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    The article is good, but the source of the article is somehow muddy.
  7. yllo 24 August 2012 09: 43 New
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    For someone who is going to dedicate his life or part of his life to ascetic service to God, having traveled to Tibet, this article will be interesting and relevant. And for the idle observer? In my opinion, the article is not on the topic of the site.
  8. lewerlin53rus 24 August 2012 09: 48 New
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    And the truth, most likely, as usual in the middle .....
  9. танк
    танк 24 August 2012 09: 48 New
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    I have never honestly been interested in Tibet, but all that I read to put it mildly surprised !!! I thought exactly as the author wrote at the beginning that the karate monks live there smile they’re happy to work for themselves. And here it is, it’s hard to believe, the child’s skin simply killed, now when I watch on TV the self-immolation of the ardent opponent of the “Chinese occupiers” of the Tibetan monk I will take it differently.

    Interestingly truthful article, everything is very bad there! With such taxes and cuts, it is strange that they did not raise a riot.
  10. DERWISH
    DERWISH 24 August 2012 09: 57 New
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    in fact, the article is really about tibet! author ++++
  11. Belial
    Belial 24 August 2012 10: 04 New
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    Another example of how any religion can become an instrument of power. By the way, several dozen Tibetans defended Hitler in his bunker in the last battle, the Allies were very surprised when they were discovered, they could not understand what connected them. After reading the article, the picture becomes clearer; fascism and Dalaism have much in common.
  12. Edge_kmv 24 August 2012 10: 05 New
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    wikipedia a crap source, but taxes on noses and ears are also mentioned there
    . The coming to power in Tibet of the PRC government put an end to the slavery of the Tibetan people, which officially existed in Tibet until 1959. This country is the last in the world to destroy its slave system. [12].
  13. SAMEDOV SULEYMAN
    SAMEDOV SULEYMAN 24 August 2012 10: 13 New
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    Chinese propaganda! stop
    1. танк
      танк 24 August 2012 10: 48 New
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      SAMEDOV SULEYMANWhy do you think so, explain? I have not studied this topic, I want to understand
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        SAMEDOV SULEYMAN 24 August 2012 13: 04 New
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        Quote: tank
        танк
        In principle, I did not deeply study this problem (of a regional nature), but even superficially I can say with confidence that China, from the day of its existence, has tried to crush Tibet under itself by all truths and not truths! With respect!
        1. танк
          танк 24 August 2012 14: 52 New
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          I can preliminarily conclude that animals are one and the other, they remove the skin from children, others eat them crying
  14. alauda1038 24 August 2012 10: 21 New
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    Now it’s clear why the Dalai Lama is all hanging around abroad, wants to rule, besides, we must remember that Tibet regularly raided China and didn’t distribute flowers, hence China’s dislike for Tibet, given the fact of slavery and attitude towards slaves in Tibit, is explained not by the ability to the resistance of the Tibetan army to China (the supply and support of the army is carried out by slaves) people living below (on the hierarchical ladder) are well aware of the whole benefit of the PLA coming; moreover, the monks who currently live in Tibet should be added to complain about the difficulties (lack of manpower (slaves) forces work themselves, hence the explanation for the weak dissemination of Lamaism in China
  15. ShturmKGB 24 August 2012 10: 22 New
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    The mute was surprised, suspected that everything was not clean there, but not to such an extent! Thanks to the author, informative article.
  16. Denzel13
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    Interestingly, is there at least one corner on this planet where the United States does not stick its nose? Moreover, by “strange” randomness as their interest appears, human life and health begin to depreciate in the region.
  17. Philer
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    Hmm ... interestingly, I have not heard of anything like this.
  18. Igarr 24 August 2012 11: 08 New
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    "And they called you an earthworm. Yes, a miserable yellow earthworm." ..... "Mowgli," R. Kipling.
    .....
    The article, of course, is furious and ... ear-cutting.
    It seems like Solomon Kane looked. Or, say, The Night Knight.
    Probably true - as much.
    ....
    You have to go yourself. Look.
  19. Gromila555
    Gromila555 24 August 2012 11: 23 New
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    Yeahhh ... Goosebumps .... It’s clear that China is not a paradise of the righteous, but SUCH .... It’s clear that there were no uprisings, the country is small, the system of punishment, the way of millenia ... this is China only thanks can and should be said
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    The author writes: Why for centuries the most powerful fortifications built have not offered any resistance to put it mildly, poorly armed and not very well fed Chinese PLA? The Americans in Korea could not beat China, and then backward Tibet.

    Yes, because there was no one to defend the theocratic regime. A third of the population of Tibet in 1959 were slaves. Third - serfs. Moreover, both slaves and serfs were not cardboard - but the real ones. and other horrors. But why in China for a long time there was no slavery, and here they are "worried"?

    In general, if you read today's Euro-American press, then in Russia, too, the devil is going on. Does this mean that Russia can be occupied? And what prevented the Chinese from “putting things in order” and leaving? (even if leaving the "pro-Chinese" government)

    Why doesn't the author write anything about today's “happy” Tibet? After all, there is an enhanced Sinization of "everything and everything." Maybe because it is possible to draw analogies with the future of the Russian Far East?
    Frankly pro-Chinese article.
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      Charon 24 August 2012 13: 09 New
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      And what prevented the Chinese from “putting things in order” and leaving?

      Great. And then who will maintain this order?
      How long will the pro-Chinese government last if a sabotage war begins against it, as in Syria? No, it is necessary to keep the situation under control.
      1. tan0472 24 August 2012 13: 35 New
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        I meant that China is served under the dressing of the liberator (slavery and other horrors that did not bother them until 1959). Therefore, I wrote - "restore order and leave." And if China considers Tibet to be its territory, then what will prevent them from coming somewhere else (freeing anyone else from the next "horrors")?
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      And what prevented the Chinese from “putting things in order” and leaving?

      Can you give an example from human history on this "topic"? For example, the Spaniards "put things in order" among the unenlightened Aztecs and Incas and left? Or did the noble Anglo-Saxons bargain - bargain black slaves, "enlighten" them on New World plantations, and set off on their own?
  21. Moga 24 August 2012 11: 28 New
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    friends this
    Sorry for my french.
    They opened their eyes.
  22. Hysnik-Tsuzoy
    Hysnik-Tsuzoy 24 August 2012 11: 32 New
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    An excellent article, the facts presented in it, in general, are well known in the circles of orientalists. To these facts, polygamy and Lamaist rites with human sacrifices (for example, the ceremony of the consecration of banners, the evidence of which was left by Baron Ungern) must be added and the picture will be complete.
  23. Oleg1986
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    That would be such articles read by those young people who are zealously passionate about this Tibet and everything connected with it; sometimes they don’t even know the basics of their own history.
    It’s only a pity that our dining room for one visitor today is missing.
  24. satellite
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    An interesting parallel. I saw in a museum in Moscow (in my opinion the Central Museum of the Armed Forces) an entire room dedicated to concentration camps and their prisoners. Among the exhibits are dried human skin, soap from people, etc. ... So the Nazis were also in Tibet. ..
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      Quote: satellite
      So the Nazis were also somehow in Tibet. ..

      ..... And how many knights from Tibetan lamas were in "Ana-Nerbe" ??? .... the information comes down only to the fact that --- were .......
  25. Kshatriy
    Kshatriy 24 August 2012 14: 56 New
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    "Hollywood films and the writings of Mrs. Blavatsky, Roerich and other Theosophists." ---------
    This blunder with Roerich, Blavatsky and other theosophists-- from the category: "I myself didn’t recognize the authors of the entih .... but I consider theirs to be harmful. What I agree with the elder Tauris" Theosphics, mystics, metaphysicians - do not consider socially -political aspect of human life ..... In all other respects, the author has nothing to argue with ... The Chinese do not get in there --- a keen eye --- and a thermonuclear club .... bore vigilant protection of "democratic" Tibet for the good of God’s chosen the people of pin-dos-tan ... !!!!!
    1. Vitaly11 24 August 2012 15: 08 New
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      Theosphics, mystics, metaphysicians - do not consider the socio-political aspect of human life

      not quite so, for this is the same politics, of a parasitic existence on gullible individuals.
      As examples. Devraha Babaji, a yogi who helped the Gandhi family more than once, Dhirendra Brahmachari (who came to train our cosmonauts) - sold weapons; and all sorts of Sai Babas .... are covered by the police, for which they regularly pay tribute to them and trouble-free spreading suckers for money
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    Quote: satellite
    So the Nazis were also somehow in Tibet. ..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_JcwArKItY --Таинственный Тибет 1943 Geheimnis Tibet (c переводом)

    Quote: Hysnik-Tsuzoy
    An excellent article, the facts presented in it, in general, are well known in the circles of orientalists.

    I think it’s worth adding to this that since the time of Tsongkhapa, DalоyLamami: the complete eradication of dissenters, both on their own and with the help of punitive expeditions of the Mongolian, and subsequently Manchu troops, in which not only dissenters and their texts were destroyed, but monasteries were destroyed (as an example, followers of Dolpopa professed madhyamaka-zhentong) , destroyed any manifestations of the study of yoga bypassing officialdom ...

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    And if China considers Tibet its territory

    Did you teach history at school? Tibet was part of the Qing Empire, while Mao Zedong decided to return all the lost territories ...

    Quote: tan0472
    Why doesn't the author write anything about today's “happy” Tibet?

    as far as I know, I could be wrong, the Chinese at the moment began to pay benefits to monasteries

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    That would be such articles read by those young people who are eagerly carried away by this Tibet and everything connected with it.

    take my word for it it won’t help, because the so-called “retreats” brainwashing is in full swing. Although I myself can learn vajra yoga on the basis of the texts, for it is far from the Gelugpian policy of Tibetans
    1. tan0472 24 August 2012 15: 14 New
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      Did you teach history at school? Tibet was part of the Qing Empire, while Mao Zedong decided to return all the lost territories ...

      Tell the ignoramus: how did Tibet join China? (That is, in what year was the referendum on accession to China in Tibet?) wink
    2. Gemar
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      All that we know about Tibet came mainly after rewriting the history of the next Chinese emperor "for himself." According to the OFFICIAL version of the history of China, the entire Far East belonged to the Chinese (not Mohe, Su-ma, Gao-li and other nationalities of the future Bohai state). Note that all these names are in the Chinese manner (I refer to those who own Chinese), i.e. nothing left of their culture! Even their own names! There is a good book, “Deep into the Ages” (S.V. Kabelev, D.V. Usataya, R.A. Podobedov, I.A. Sakai) based on geological excavations and the stories of those few representatives of the indigenous population left after assimilation. By the way, Sakai is my old friend. We met him in Dalian.
      Look at your map, Sakhalin - Chinese? Mao Jie Dong decided to return the "lost territory"? So he believed that if he sleeps with 1000 girls, he will be immortal!
      1. Vitaly11 24 August 2012 18: 21 New
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        "The Blue Chronicle" by Goy Lotsawa Shonnupel (1342-1481)
        Gendun Chopel also did a lot of work, not looking for manuscripts with corrected history in Beipin, but collecting historical facts from the monastery libraries, for which he paid the price to the top leadership (DalоyLam13) was not needed
        Rutracker has some more material on the history of Tibet.

        the map of the times of the Qing empire that it was possible to pick up Mao there for himself, then he picked it up (in particular, those who were weaker at that time period), the rest will be picked up by descendants, because with our corrupt government this will not be a big deal for them - or you Do you want to say that the Chinese have decreased territorial appetites?
        And Mao not only slept with the virgins (Chiang Kai-shek fought with the Japanese, Mao felt the devak in the mountains), but also took baths in human milk - well, he read Taoist treatises, with whom it never happens wassat

        but in general, I agree with you, the Chinese distorted the story for themselves, as in other states
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          Quote: Vitaliy11
          the Chinese distorted the story for themselves, as in other states

          You can even say how all states.
          Quote: Vitaliy11
          or do you want to say that the Chinese have decreased territorial appetites?

          What do you! The Chinese, they grow every year more and more. The fact is that most Chinese are uneducated and stupid in nature (i.e. in Russia there are stupid, uneducated people, but their minority). Remember the Viagra band with its song Souvenir. "Gave a heart for a long memory"? Somewhere in 2004-2005. the Chinese remade this song for themselves in Chinese. A fellow student and I told them about this, I almost got to a fight. Real jingoists (in their case, jiayou-patriots - jingo in Chinese smile ) will never believe that China copied something from others. Even the Shenyang J-11 aircraft is considered by these "jiayou patriots" to be "originally their own." Some of these "aviation specialists" told me that our Su-27 \ 35 \ 37 was copied from "Chinese engineering thought." This is what ... Now ours, in the eyes of the Chinese, look like "arrogant technology thieves" due to the fact that the T-99 in China came out earlier. And none of them will even bother to check - is there any similarity in appearance, TTX? Those who understand military equipment know how much ... However, try an educated Chinese to tell his illiterate Chinese friend that it was China who copied something, the first will immediately become an outcast in the eyes of numerous second ones.
          1. Gemar
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            China has quite serious intentions regarding the Far East. Now try to prove to them that:
            "During this period, China was defeated by England, France and the United States in the second opium war of 1856-1860. The country was in a fierce peasant war (Taiping uprising of 1850-1864). The Qing court escaped from the capital, and for negotiations with Prince Gong was left the victor. He turned to the representative of Russia for mediation. Skilfully playing on the contradictions between the British, French and Americans in China, as well as on the fear of the Qing dynasty, Nikolai Ignatiev achieved a ceasefire and the British-French expeditionary command refused Opposition from the storming of the Chinese capital.Taking into account the services provided by the Russian envoy in the settlement of the war with the Europeans, the Tsins agreed to satisfy the requirements for the complete transfer of the Russian Empire to the Ussuri Territory.The Beijing Treaty was signed on November 2, 1860. It established the final border between China and Russia in Amur, Primorye and west of Mongolia. "
            Hearing such an impudent statement "in relation to the Chinese", our "brothers forever" will accuse you of distorting and ignorance of history. What can I say, if many Chinese people have not heard anything about the shameful invasion of the Chinese army in Vietnam. The same "cheers-patriots" in China have long forgotten how Soviet soldiers liberated them from the Japanese invaders. During my stay in China, I saw a lot of films where "valiant communist Chinese" are wet with hundreds, thousands of insidious Japs. As one lover of patriotic Chinese militants once said, the equipment of the Chinese army left much to be desired. So he stated that this was not true. That the Chinese army was armed to the teeth. Just a traitor, in the person of Chiang Kai-shek, specifically wanted to lose to the Japanese! Apparently the Chinese patriot did not know that at that time the Chinese commies were sitting in the Changbai Mountains, where they ate each other due to lack of food. But Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek really tried to resist the invaders.
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              Quote: Gamar
              What can I say, if many Chinese people have not heard anything about the shameful invasion of the Chinese army in Vietnam.


              this is generally a song lol because they like to remember the “victorious” Chinese army during the Korean War here, without saying a word how many of these “victorious” there died, while the Vietnamese survived the pin-dos war, before that there was a war with the French, tobish should have been exhausted, but no survived!

              if memory does not change P. Badmaev once said: "The Chinese willingly submit to force, but destroy the weak"

              Tibetans website about Dalai Lama 14 and its administration http://shugdan.narod.ru/index.html
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    Quote: tan0472
    Tell the ignoramus: how did Tibet join China? (That is, in what year was the referendum on accession to China in Tibet?) wink


    so I wrote, the helmsman decided to return the former territories of the Qing empire, the Qing itself as well as the Yuan empire can only be considered formal, in fact they were "eaten" during life, by the Han civilization.
    It’s not clear why in the Middle Ages a strong state was racking its brains about a referendum, seized (or surrendered themselves) - that’s the whole referendum, request what they didn’t capture were vassals, like Korea for example. Tibet, with the coming to power of the Gelug Lama, was constantly dependent on China, it was Chinese territory that recognized whether the newly made Dal was right or not.оyLama, the same situation is with other politicians at the top in Lamaism, tobish with the Karmapas, Panchen Lamas - at the moment there are both Chinese and "Tibetan" Karmapas. Lamas, in turn, intervened in the theogeopolitics of nearby territories.

    As for the referendum, IMNO, of course, but pay attention to the Daloy Lama-14 for China as a separatist, but why have the Chinese still not eliminated it, like bin-Laden pin-dos? Is this not a conspiracy of the CCP and the Gelugpa regarding the future capture of the northwestern part of India where the inhabitants of China (Tibetans) live? because there is a problem of disputed territories in the north-eastern part of India wink
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      captured (or surrendered themselves)

      Vitaly, who is it interesting himself surrenders to the invaders ?. So captured. And if so, they have the right to independence. For all. And the fact that llamas mocked them (the people) does not mean that China has the right to seize them. hi
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        I can be mistaken, but in the modern territory of China “Inner surrender” can be attributed to Inner Mongolia ... and even China itself did strongly resist Genghis Khan, the descendants of the Chjurjen, Japanese and Vietnamese pirates constantly surrounded the coastal regions, and the Tibetans themselves more than once made raids on the border Han land tenure ... and all these movie heroes of ushuists - crap, thanks to these ushuists there was just a triad, and not defenders of something there

        I don’t deny the right to independence of Tibet, but in connection with the situation there, he will be under someone for a long time, will not be under China, he will be dependent on the arrogant Saxons. And not all lamas mocked the people so much, before the arrival of the Gelugpa, they earned money honestly on their skills, for example, drove away hail from crops, which is important for peasants in that region

        since history is a cyclical thing, I still hope the attempts of Peter Badmaev, G. Tsybikov .. were not in vain and Tibet will become part of Russia fellow
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          I hope the attempts of Peter Badmaev, G. Tsybikov .. were not in vain and Tibet will become part of Russia

          I don’t know Tsybikov. (poorly studied at school)
          crying
          I wonder how Tibet will become part of Russia if you stand for Chinese Tibet? Isn’t it easier to enter the “composition” of being independent? (e.g. South Ossetia)
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            Quote: tan0472
            Isn’t it easier to enter the “composition” of being independent? (e.g. South Ossetia)

            the arrogant Saxons will not allow this, for this you need the desire of the political elite of Tibet, and she again looks in the direction of the arrogant Saxons, fascist Germany was also denied access to Tibet precisely by the naglits, everything turned out by chance because of what they later regretted, because the Germans started make contacts with Tibetans
            By and large, it was not possible to annex Tibet to Russia in one case because of the First World War imposed on us, and secondly because of the coup in 1, although the above-mentioned comrades did a great job at the time.
            We also need to take into account the "friendship" of Russia with the Chinese, because of which Russia is unlikely to be able to take further steps in this direction, unless the special services establish contacts with the Tibetans.

            I wonder how Tibet will become part of Russia if you stand for Chinese Tibet?

            khe-khe .. I do not advocate for Chinese Tibet, this is just common sense, in my opinion the place of the Chinese should be as it was before 1911.

            Let’s see what will happen to China if its pin-dos are drawn into a war with its southern neighbors, otherwise the inner Mongols, Uighurs, and Tibetans will not see “independence” ...
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    OH ...... EAT !!!!! I didn’t even suspect about this! Here you have Tibet, a country of good and wise lamas !!! HORROR!!!!
  29. Alexey Prikazchikov
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    The fact that Tibet was under China does not say anything. He was once free and freedom must be returned to him.
  30. Vitaly11 24 August 2012 17: 35 New
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    Alexey Prikazchikoв
    maybe it doesn’t say anything. but how do you explain this to the Chinese lol
    to be free, one must be strong! otherwise you will get another from one yoke, not the fact that it is less cabal. Gelugpa, on the other hand, almost constantly undermined its own sovereignty, relying on the strength of its neighbors, thanks to this sect, the Tibetan monarchy was destroyed in its time. So no matter how much freedom they see as their ears, Tibet will soon become part of Russia than gain independence, especially since attempts in this direction in the last century have already been
    it is true that Gelugpa has great successes in geogeopolitics, there are no physical slaves, spiritual slaves have been riveted
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      By force of arms and money, comrade.
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      I completely agree with this comment! +
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      Gelugpa has great successes in geogeopolitics, there are no physical slaves, spiritual slaves are riveted

      Wow, as said!
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      So neither see them as freedom as their ears

      Fact.
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      relying on the strength of neighbors

      Not only strength, but also decency.
  31. ward 24 August 2012 18: 19 New
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    Well, by the way, I also thought that Tibet is solid spiritual ... and if you think about it, they just stayed in the past ... and in the past Europe has something to remember ... if you think about it, I know families where husband and wife work and eat pasta on the water ... it is also actually slavery ...
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    some animals, not people ...)))) Well, they have laws ..... just HORROR ..))) If you chop off your hand, how will it work ... ???)))
  33. kulpin 24 August 2012 19: 47 New
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    The Strugatsky have a key phrase in TBB. "Blacks always come for grays." Behind all "colored" pseudo-idyllic demagogy there is always a cannibal obscurantism and undisguised money-grubbing of the powerful.
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    Only he is worthy of life and freedom, who every day goes for them to fight. Goethe
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    I honestly did not know what the past was in Tibet. I also thought that China Skyy occupied this country.
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    This is stupid Chinese propaganda. It is necessary to learn history and not such "clearance. Bulletins". Then Tibet will remain Tibet, China by China and Russia by Russia.
    As for the article, other facts are revealed here and where the legs grow from: - http://savetibet.ru/2013/03/17/shambala.html
    As for religions ... - they are all wonderful (especially when you understand them well and look into history. There are many interesting facts about Christianity and Buddhism, etc.).
    In short - you need to operate on facts and not crap that is shoved into your ears from all sides.
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    and they said the world is a riddle, sacred secrets, etc. blah blah blah but were worse than the Nazis, then Hitler sent expeditions to the experience there?
  38. Andreymost 12 November 2015 13: 42 New
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    Let's take an objective look at this article!
    The first question for the author is - have you ever been to Tibet?
    The second one. Why is the article using photos from Chinese sites? Do you have non-Chinese archival photos?
    Want to know the truth, go to Tibet and yourself will understand everything;) and better in the outback!
    I have been there and my opinion about the article is a blatant lie!
    Who wants to know the truth, gather more information about Tibet (do not be lazy) and you will find that Tibet did not belong to China in the 15th, 18th or 19th centuries! True, new textbooks already say that Tibet has always been part of China! And also, there have long been manuals for the Chinese on how to "develop new territories" especially in Russia .... At first, you quietly settle peacefully somewhere in the Far East, Siberia ... you work quietly, you marry Russian girls, then you go on, open their trading quarters, etc. ... find read, I think it will be interesting to you;)

    And chat with the Tibetans themselves, who are now 60-80 years old ... the truth is that they will not survive soon and then you can write and say anything and distort history as it suits you! So, if you want to know the truth, hurry up.
  39. Oleg111 12 November 2015 19: 12 New
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    http://asiarussia.ru/buddhism/9028/
    Exposing this fake about Tibet