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Stalinist political processes in the postwar 40s

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The "great purge" of the higher party and state apparatus carried out in the 30s after the war continued in a substantially curtailed form.


Stalin, having made the country a superpower, carefully monitored the formation of personnel in all areas - in industry, army, ideology, science and culture. He understood that the success of the business largely depends on personnel. And he was convinced of this 20-e и 30-ewhen he outplayed all his opponents.

Stalin proceeded from the fact that cadres do not appear on their own. They must be educated and kept in good shape, uprooting any attempts to deviate from the general line, which was determined by the leader himself.

Cultural and scientific campaigns


For all his busyness, Stalin always found time to read and get acquainted with novelties in the field of literature and art. From his youth, interested in and deeply knowing Russian and foreign literature and culture and constantly monitoring trends in Soviet art, he noticed that an unhealthy situation had developed in the country after the war on the cultural front.

He believed that one of the reasons for this situation was the weakening of the party's control over processes in literature, cinematography, drama and science. This led to the appearance of works that were frankly alien to the Soviet way of life, causing, from his point of view, serious harm to the development of Soviet society.

In addition, the Soviet people, liberating Europe, saw with their own eyes that they still live better there. And we would like the same changes in our country.


Stalin conceived a series of campaigns designed to cover the most important areas of the spiritual life of society. He began with literature. From his youth, he always read a lot. His erudition and erudition manifested itself in speeches and conversations with people of completely different circles. He knew Russian classical literature well, loved the works of Gogol and Saltykov-Shchedrin. In the field of foreign literature, he was well acquainted with the works of Shakespeare, Heine, Balzac, Hugo.

In 1946, Stalin formulated his main thesis on this issue, that in recent years dangerous tendencies, inspired by the pernicious influence of the West, have been seen in many literary works, and that Soviet people are increasingly depicted in caricatures on the pages of Soviet works.

In August, the Central Committee issued a decree "On the magazines" Zvezda "and" Leningrad ", which attacked entire literary movements and individual writers deserving severe condemnation.

The writer Zoshchenko and the poet Akhmatova, whose works were published on the pages of the Zvezda magazine, were especially harshly condemned.

Zoshchenko was accused of preparing works that were unprincipled and ideologically alien to Soviet literature.

And Akhmatova was called

"A typical representative of empty, unprincipled poetry, alien to our people."

The decree ordered to terminate access to the Zvezda magazine for the works of Zoshchenko, Akhmatova and the like. And the magazine "Leningrad" was completely closed. Here he showed himself to be an extremely tough, picky and irreconcilable censor. He did not spare the harshest epithets when evaluating works that, in his opinion, were politically harmful. And they contradicted the party's course in the field of spiritual life.

This is how Stalin understood ideology in literature and defended it.

He certainly loved and highly appreciated the art of cinema, theater and music. This is recognized by everyone who came across him. He loved concerts, especially with the participation of vocalists such as Kozlovsky. He listened to classical music with enthusiasm when such an outstanding pianist as Gilels was sitting at the piano.

Stalin believed that one of the important reasons for the major shortcomings in the repertoire of drama theaters is the unsatisfactory work of playwrights who stand aside from contemporary issues, do not know the life and needs of the people, and do not know how to portray the best features and qualities of the Soviet person. Politics in the field of theater found the most concentrated expression in the resolution of the Central Committee of the party "On the repertoire of dramatic theaters", issued in August 1946.

The decree declared the state of the theaters repertoire unsatisfactory. Plays by Soviet authors were ousted from the repertoire of the country's theaters. And among the small number of plays on modern themes, there were many weak and unprincipled.

Stalin also assigned a great role in shaping the spiritual image of Soviet society to cinematography. On his initiative, a shift towards historical topics dedicated to prominent figures in Russian history - generals, scientists, cultural workers.

He recommended that filmmakers return to assessing the personality and historical role of Ivan the Terrible as a national tsar defending Russian national interests from foreign influence. The leader wanted the audience to see in Ivan the Terrible a tough but just ruler, as he imagined himself.

Stalin's intervention in the scientific community was far from successful.

This was especially evident in the rise of a rather mediocre and illiterate biologist Lysenko, who inspired the leader that his "research" in the field of grain production could bring fabulous harvests.

In the late 40s, this led to the prosperity of "Lysenkoism", which subjected (under the pretext of the struggle against "Weismanism - Mendelism - Morganism") the defeat and defamation of the Soviet school of genetics. By the summer of 1952, Stalin was convinced that with the rise of Lysenko and the establishment of his monopoly in the field of biological science, he was grossly blundered. And he gave instructions to put things in order here.

Fight against cosmopolitans and the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee


The theme of the fight against cosmopolitanism encompasses many different aspects, interconnected with each other.

The beginning was laid by the editorial of the newspaper Pravda on January 28, 1949, "On one anti-patriotic group of theater critics."

It emphasized that there are people infected with the remnants of bourgeois ideology, trying to poison the creative atmosphere of Soviet art with their pernicious spirit and damaging the development of literature and art. The article indicated by name

"Rootless cosmopolitans"

mainly of Jewish nationality and the task was

"Do away with liberal nonentities",

deprived of a healthy feeling of love for the Motherland and for the people. As for the liberals, it is still relevant today.

Everywhere in creative organizations, meetings began to be held condemning rootless cosmopolitans. All of them were subjected not only to criticism, but to vicious ridicule and characterized as criminals. The campaign concerned not only persons of Jewish nationality, it was universal in nature, affecting different layers of the creative intelligentsia. Gradually, the fight against cosmopolitanism became the responsibility of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee.

The origins of this case lie in 1944, when the leaders of the JAC applied through Zhemchuzhina (Molotov's wife) with a letter to the government on the establishment of a Jewish Soviet Socialist Republic on the territory of Crimea. The letter stated that the creation of a republic in Crimea would contribute to the elimination of anti-Semitism in the country.

And Crimea is the most consistent with the requirements for spaciousness for the Jewish people. The Tatars were then evicted in Crimea. And this territory was relatively free.

The idea did not find support from Stalin and gradually died out.

The committee unanimously launched its activities in the country. And he began to assume the functions of the chief commissioner for the Jewish population.

The Ministry of State Security, in a report to Stalin at the end of 1947, made a proposal to liquidate the JAC, whose actions incited nationalist sentiments among the Jews of the Soviet Union. The Zionists used these people to stir up dissatisfaction with the policies of the authorities, and this became especially noticeable after the formation of the State of Israel in May 1948.

The USSR was the first to de facto recognize Israel's independence in May 1948. Stalin agreed to this, since there were many emigrants from Russia living in Israel. The ideas of socialism were quite popular there. And the leader was going to make Israel an outpost of socialism in the Middle East. However, these geopolitical calculations by Stalin did not materialize. Israel's ruling circles soon turned to face the West. And he had to pursue a different policy.

Stalin reasonably regarded the JAC as the center of gravity for pro-Ril sentiments. And in November 1948, the Ministry of State Security was instructed to dissolve the committee. And to prepare a trial on accusations of the EAK leadership of working for foreign intelligence services.

The most active part of the EAC was selected for this scenario. It includes representatives of the Jewish intelligentsia widely known in the country - diplomats, scientists, artists, poets, writers and public figures.

An accusation was also brought against Molotov's wife, Pearl. She was accused of meeting with Israeli Ambassador Golda Meir, establishing permanent contacts with representatives of the JAC and Mikhoels, supporting their nationalist actions and passing on classified information to them.

According to one version, she provided secret information that she accidentally heard during a conversation between Stalin and Molotov. At the end of December, Zhemchuzhina was expelled from the party and arrested a month later. At a meeting of the Politburo, Stalin accused Molotov of sharing with his wife the issues discussed at the Politburo, and she passes information to the members of the JAC.

The trial in the JAC case took place in May-July 1952. The pearl did not pass through it. In December 1949 she was sentenced to five years of exile by a special meeting.

The military collegium of the Supreme Court in the JAC case sentenced 13 people to death and two to imprisonment. The head of the committee, Mikhoels, who had extensive contacts abroad, before the trial in January 1948, was liquidated in a rigged car accident.

In 1948-1952, in connection with the JAC case, 110 people were arrested and prosecuted on charges of espionage and anti-Soviet activities - party and Soviet workers, scientists, writers, poets, journalists and artists, of whom 10 were sentenced to death.

Military trials


Stalin did not forget to keep the military in good shape.

Despite their achievements during the war, they must have felt that at any moment their fate could change dramatically.

According to false information from his son Vasily, an Air Force general, he ordered Abakumov to investigate the so-called "case of aviators."

In April 1946, the MGB fabricated a case that the former people's commissar aviation industry Shakhurin, former Air Force commander Novikov and a number of other persons allegedly deliberately harmed the air force. They supplied aircraft with defective or with serious design flaws, which led to accidents and death of pilots.

In fact, there was a poor-quality supply of aircraft to the troops. Since the front required a large number of aircraft, they simply did not have time to produce and deliver them properly.

During interrogation, arrested leaders of industry and aviation began to falsely testify and slander themselves and others, which led to additional arrests. Abakumov convinced Stalin that this was deliberate sabotage.

But he did not trust these accusations. And additional checks showed that due to the tight deadlines there were cases of the release of unfinished aircraft. In the "case of aviators" the court in May 1946 sentenced the defendants to various terms of imprisonment for poor-quality production and concealment of these facts.

Malenkov also suffered indirectly in the "aviator case", since he was in charge of the aviation industry. And against Marshal Zhukov, false testimonies were received from Novikov that during the war he conducted anti-Soviet conversations, criticized Stalin, claiming that the leader was jealous of his glory, and that the Marshal could lead a military conspiracy. Abakumov also presented written statements from the military, in which they accused the marshal of arrogance, humiliation and insult of subordinates, and often of assault.

At this time, the MGB was investigating a "trophy case", in which Zhukov was also involved.
At a meeting of the Supreme Military Council in June 1946, Zhukov was charged with misappropriating trophies and inflating his merits in defeating Hitler. During the meeting, Zhukov was silent and did not make excuses, the top military leaders supported the marshal, but members of the Politburo accused him of "Bonapartism", dismissed him as Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces and transferred him to the command of the Odessa Military District.

As part of the "trophy case" (1946-1948), Stalin instructed Abakumov to figure out who from the generals took out more than reasonable limits from Germany and punish them in the name of stopping the decomposition of the army. As a result of the investigation, three generals - Kulik, Gordov and Rybalchenko were shot on a combination of crimes related not only to the "trophy case", and 38 more generals and admirals received various prison sentences.

At the end of 1947, the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Admiral Kuznetsov, his deputy, Admiral Haller, and Admirals Alafuzov and Stepanov, were also repressed. They were presented with a far-fetched charge of transferring classified information about the weapons of naval ships and secret sea charts to Great Britain and the United States in 1942-1944.

The Military Collegium of the Supreme Court in February 1948 found them guilty of the charges. But, given the great merits of Kuznetsov, she decided not to apply criminal punishment to him. He was demoted to Rear Admiral. The rest of the accused were sentenced to various terms of imprisonment.

The artillery commanders also fell under repression. In December 1951, Deputy Defense Minister Marshal of Artillery Yakovlev and Head of the Main Artillery Directorate Volkotrubenko were unjustifiably dismissed from their posts. In February 1952, they were arrested on charges of sabotage in the development of 57mm automatic anti-aircraft guns. Immediately after Stalin's death, the charges were dropped. And they were restored to their rights.

Being engaged in the military, Stalin did not forget about the purges of the MGB. In May 1946, the head of the department, Merkulov, Beria's man, was replaced by Abakumov. And the ministry itself has been shaken up. And in September 1947, Beria, who was in charge of the MGB, was replaced by the Secretary of the Central Committee Kuznetsov.

Struggle of Stalin's associates


Stalin, due to his suspiciousness, suspicion and thirst for one-man power, as well as the possible mental disorder that persecuted him for many years, hardly anyone from his environment seriously trusted. A feature of Stalin's tactics and strategy in relation to his comrades-in-arms was that he constantly shuffled the cards, confusing them. And none of them had a reliable guarantee against unexpected disgrace or even execution.

He was well aware of the internal relationship between his comrades-in-arms, where a tough struggle was unfolding between them for the favor of the leader. A recent favorite could suddenly find himself in disgrace and instead of being promoted to fear for his life.

At the end of the war, Molotov enjoyed the greatest disposition of Stalin. But at the end of 1945, a crushing blow fell on him. Stalin accused him of serious international blunders, compliance, liberalism and softness, which led to the publication in the Western press of slanderous fabrications in relation to the Soviet regime and Stalin personally. In his telegram to the members of the Politburo, he actually sentenced Molotov, writing that he could no longer consider him his first deputy. And no excuses from Molotov helped. A few years later, Molotov received another blow related to the participation of his wife in the trial of the JAC. And he really faced serious disgrace.

The same threat hung over Malenkov, who in 1946 was involved in the "case of aviators". He was under house arrest. Then he was removed from the secretariat of the Central Committee and thrown into grain procurements in Siberia. And only in July 1948 he was reinstated as the secretary of the Central Committee.

The fate of Beria was not so unambiguous.

After his strengthening at the end of the "great purge" of the 30s, Stalin in 1945 relieved him of his post as head of the NKVD, leaving him to oversee the atomic project. And in 1947, he pushed him away from the supervision of this special service, replacing him with Kuznetsov. After the successful completion of the atomic project, Beria's influence increased again.

In October 1952, at the XNUMXth Party Congress, Stalin unexpectedly subjected Molotov and Mikoyan to harsh and derogatory criticism, which stunned his comrades-in-arms.

By 1948, Stalin's entourage formed two groups.

On the one hand, the powerful "Leningrad group" promoted by the leader, which included a member of the Politburo and chairman of the State Planning Committee Voznesensky, secretary of the Central Committee Kuznetsov, member of the Politburo and deputy chairman of the Council of Ministers Kosygin, first secretary of the Leningrad regional committee Popkov and head of the Council of Ministers of the RSFSR Rodionov. In their activities, young leaders showed initiative and independence in solving economic and organizational problems.

In this group, Voznesensky stood out, who, occupying one of the key posts in the government, was recognized as one of the country's best economists and experts in the military economy. At the same time, he suffered from ambition, arrogance and rudeness even towards members of the Politburo. In addition, he was a chauvinist, Stalin called him

"A great-power chauvinist of a rare degree."

They were opposed by the "old guard" in the form of an alliance of the Politburo members Malenkov, Beria, Bulganin and the secretary of the Central Committee, Khrushchev, appointed in 1949.

Between the groups there was a constant undercover struggle for influence over the leader, which ended in 1950 with the physical destruction of the "Leningraders" and the dominant position of Malenkov's group at the top of power.

Stalin himself provoked this process. He always strove to maintain an atmosphere of envy and distrust among his comrades-in-arms and on this basis to strengthen his personal power. In a close circle of associates, already in 1948, he expressed considerations that he was already old. And we need to think about the successors. They must be young. And as an example, he cited Kuznetsov, who could replace him in the party leadership, and Voznesensky as the head of government, since he is a brilliant economist and an excellent manager.

Such statements by the leader could not but alert Malenkov's group. And this became a kind of spring that set in motion the mechanism for launching the "Leningrad case".

The "Leningrad affair" was fabricated. And it was caused by the incessant struggle between the two groups, the desire of the old comrades-in-arms, not disdaining by any means, to destroy the Leningrad grouping and strengthen their power.

They were afraid that the young Leningrad team would replace Stalin and sweep them off the political Olympus. This was one of Stalin's biggest blunders. He increasingly lost control over his actions. And he was unable to resist the provocative denunciations that Beria and other close associates supplied him with, skillfully playing on his feelings.

The reason for fabricating false accusations against the "Leningraders" was the All-Russian Wholesale Fair held in January 1949 in Leningrad. Malenkov charged them with holding the fair without the knowledge and bypassing the Central Committee and the government. They were accused of opposing themselves to the Central Committee, trying to fence off the Leningrad organization from the party, and supposedly even intended to create the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in order to strengthen their positions in the struggle against the center, that is, against Stalin.

On the instructions of Stalin, on February 15, 1949, the Politburo considered the anti-party actions of this group and decided to release them (except Voznesensky) from their posts. Voznesensky was tied to this case later on Beria's statement that Voznesensky deliberately misled the government about the industrial production plan. By a decision of the Politburo on March 5, 1949, Voznesensky was relieved of his post as chairman of the State Planning Commission. These decisions served as the factual basis for starting the development of the "Leningrad case".

This group in a narrow circle really discussed the possibility of creating a Communist Party of the RSFSR, seeing nothing wrong with it. In addition, they knew that Stalin did not rule out the possibility of promoting Voznesensky and Kuznetsov to top positions in the state. And it flattered their pride.

But the leader did not forget about Zinoviev's actions to create opposition to his course in Leningrad in 1925-1926. And the very thought of a possible repetition of this process was unacceptable for him, since he saw in their reasoning an attempt on his sole power.

For the suspicious Stalin, such a turn meant a lot. And this was quite enough to start the implementation of the plan to defeat the Leningrad "opposition".

In July 1949, Abakumov fabricated materials about Kapustin's connections with British intelligence. And he was arrested. And in August, Kuznetsov, Popkov, Rodionov and Lazutin were arrested on charges of counterrevolutionary activities. Voznesensky was also arrested in October.

After a long trial and interrogation with passion, everyone except Voznesensky admitted their guilt. And in September 1950 by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court, they were sentenced to death.

After the massacre of the "central group", trials took place over the rest of the participants in the "Leningrad case". 214 people were subjected to severe repressions, most of them were close and distant relatives of the convicts.

Trusting the machinations of Malenkov's group and destroying the Leningrad group, Stalin made a serious political mistake, removing from the political field his loyal comrades-in-arms who did not quite deliberately talk about possible alignments in the political leadership. And he left next to him the hardened politicians who dreamed of seizing power.

Doctors case


The doctors' case was unleashed amid Stalin's grave illness and his constantly growing suspicion, artificially whipped up by his associates. First of all, Beria's systematic reports on the disclosure of conspiracies.

At the same time, the "Mingrelian affair" was unleashed against Beria. Since he was a Mingrelian and supervised the situation in Georgia.

In November 1951, the Politburo adopted a resolution on bribery in Georgia and on the Mingrelian anti-party group Baramia, which (in addition to patronizing bribe takers) pursued the goal of seizing power in Georgia.

The impetus for the unwinding of the doctors' case was a letter in August 1948 from the doctor of the Kremlin hospital Timashuk to the head of security Vlasik and Kuznetsov, in which it was stated that during the treatment of Zhdanov he was given the wrong diagnosis and prescribed treatment that led to his death.

At the instigation of Beria and Malenkov, investigator Ryumin wrote a letter to Stalin in July 1951, in which he accused Abakumov of covering up the pest doctors who killed Zhdanov and the candidate for membership in the Politburo Shcherbakov. Stalin reacted instantly. Abaumov was dismissed from office and brought to trial.

The MGB resumed the investigation into the terrorist activities of doctors. And at the end of 1952, at Stalin's direction, it began to spin in a different direction. In January 1953 Malenkov summoned Timashuk and informed her about the award of the Order of Lenin.

A TASS report was immediately published. It said that a terrorist group of doctors had been discovered, who set as their goal, by means of wrecking treatment, to reduce the lives of the country's leaders. The investigation found that the members of the terrorist group, deliberately villainously undermined the health of the latter, gave them wrong diagnoses, and then killed them with the wrong treatment.

The criminals admitted that they reduced the lives of Zhdanov and Shcherbakov, using potent drugs in their treatment and establishing a regime that was detrimental to them, thus bringing them to death. They also tried to undermine the health of the Soviet leading military personnel - Vasilevsky, Govorov, Konev and weaken the country's defense. However, the arrest upset their villainous plans.

It was established that all the killer doctors were agents of foreign intelligence and were associated with the international Jewish bourgeois-nationalist organization "Joint".

All propaganda organs were filled with materials about the killers in white coats. The campaign was anti-Jewish, which caused deep and well-founded alarm among the Jewish population. There was something like mass hysteria in the country. The Soviet people with anger and indignation branded the criminal gang of murderers and their foreign masters.

Rumors began to spread among people of Jewish nationality about their forthcoming forced eviction to remote areas of the country. The situation was heated to the limit. The whole country anxiously awaited further developments. But they did not follow. And there was only one reason - the death of the leader himself. She put an end to this campaign.

The leader died of his own death, burdened with a whole range of diseases. Although there is a version that Stalin was helped to die.

Perhaps this is so. But nothing confirms this version, except for the far-fetched fabrications of some Russian historians.

Be that as it may, the era of Stalin is over.

And the "old guard" was consolidated. And she began the battle for the Stalinist legacy.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 04: 35
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    Stalin, due to his suspiciousness, suspicion and thirst for sole power, as well as the possible mental disorder that persecuted him for many years, hardly anyone from his environment seriously trusted
    The most shameful anti-Soviet, and therefore Russophobic stamp! Even without examining the lie about the "lust for one-man power", the stupidity and falsity of the assumption of "mental disorder" is obvious, if the disease or disorder is not treated, then it develops, and where is the development of this in Stalin?
    1. Far B
      Far B 18 February 2021 04: 48
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      In addition, the Soviet people, liberating Europe, saw with their own eyes that they still live better there.
      Another very stupid cliche. Soviet people did not walk in festive Europe - liberated Eastern Europe, with rare exceptions (Krakow, Vienna), lay in ruins no worse than our cities. So there was nothing to envy. From the word "absolutely".
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 05: 00
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        Quote: Dalny V
        the liberated Eastern Europe, with rare exceptions (Krakow, Vienna), lay in ruins no worse than our cities. So there was nothing to envy. From the word "absolutely".

        It is very controversial, not every town, not to mention the villages, was taken with a fight, about "Europe in ruins" is clearly too much. And the memoirs of Soviet veterans directly indicate this, something like: "We lived richly, why the hell did they come to us?"
        1. Far B
          Far B 18 February 2021 06: 29
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          Are you sure about Eastern Europe? Do you think that in Poland and Romania, the standard of living before the war was on average much higher than in the USSR? (Of course, we will not take the boyars and gentry into account). And the war even leveled the differences altogether - such a property of war.
          the memoirs of Soviet veterans directly indicate this, something like: "We lived richly, why the hell did they come to us?"
          Please acquaint yourself with a couple (at least) of such memories, where it is said about rich the lives of ordinary Romanian / Polish / Slovak peasants or townspeople? And why, if their wealth was so conspicuous for our soldiers, did we provide them, as well as the Germans, with food assistance immediately after liberation?
          1. tasha
            tasha 18 February 2021 07: 02
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            The life of ordinary Romanian / Polish / Slovak peasants Soviet soldiers could see even before the war.
            The article deals with Europe in general, for example - Germany, Austria, East Prussia ...

            “The first thing that soldiers and officers note in letters from East Prussia is the roads. Especially surprising were the presence of roads and sewerage systems even in small settlements. Many letters note the abundance of cattle, the good equipment of peasant farms with machinery and equipment, and the quality of buildings. well-to-do and profitable. "
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 18 February 2021 07: 28
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              Quote: tasha
              The first thing that soldiers and officers note in letters from East Prussia are roads.

              Well, you will not assure that Hitler built it from scratch? Even before the PM, all this was much better than in RI ..
              Quote: tasha
              good equipment of peasant farms with machinery and equipment,

              Can this be achieved without a developed industry?
            2. Far B
              Far B 18 February 2021 07: 48
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              The article deals with Europe in general, for example - Germany, Austria, East Prussia
              Well, yes, East Prussia was trying to get rid of the Soviet troops without exception under the influence of propaganda. "In Tilsit, after the fighting, only 25% of the housing stock remained"; about Konigsberg, too, I think everyone knows. In the rest of the towns of East Prussia, it must be understood, it was no better. The fighting on the territory of Germany itself was generally fierce. And in Austria, not much better. So there was nothing to envy there (if the houses of the bourgeois nobles are not taken into account, and I still compare the lives of average residents).
              “The first thing that soldiers and officers note in letters from East Prussia is the roads. Especially surprising were the presence of roads and sewerage systems even in small settlements. Many letters note the abundance of cattle, the good equipment of peasant farms with machinery and equipment, and the quality of buildings. well-to-do and profitable. "
              About the abundance of livestock - well, what a great achievement, especially when you consider how many livestock they stole from the USSR. What is easy to believe - good roads. Well, we have this constant trouble, sadly. You can also believe in the abundance of technology, since Germany was highly developed industrially. Only now, again, it was more convenient for the refugees to flee just on the equipment, and they left it for some kind of devil. And - yes, where does the quote come from, let me be curious? I would like to see exactly such letters of soldiers and officers (how, I wonder, they were not subjected to perlustration ?!)
              1. tasha
                tasha 18 February 2021 07: 51
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                I do not understand. What do you want to prove? Search, read, memoirs and memories the Internet is full of. Artyom Drabkin did a great job, for example ..
                1. Far B
                  Far B 18 February 2021 08: 02
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                  The first thing that soldiers and officers note in letters from East Prussia
                  This is the quote you quoted. letters are not memoirs or memories. Letters from the front are subject to mandatory military censorship. It is unlikely that admiration for the enemy economy would have gone through perlustration. In any case, not from privates and junior and middle officers.
                  What do you want to prove?
                  I want to prove that by the time our troops arrived, there was no trace left of all this notorious "wealth". There was nothing to admire. Ruins, perhaps, feeling a sense of satisfaction from the accomplished vengeance.
                  1. tasha
                    tasha 18 February 2021 08: 22
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                    It is unlikely that admiration for the enemy economy would have gone through perlustration. In any case, not from privates and junior and middle officers.
                    The quote I have cited is just the results of the work of the military censorship.

                    Michael, read more ...

                    “But as soon as we crossed the border with Poland, we saw magnificent peasant houses instead of our thatched huts, we saw that they were living better.
                    - It was striking that they live better than us, especially the Bauers in the mountainous part of Austria. Big houses, where they already had wind turbines to generate electricity.
                    - It seemed to me that Hungarians live richer than Czechs, but they live more cultured, I suppose. And even in Romania, it seemed to me that people lived better than ours. And even those who worked for the owners did not complain. And in Hungary in general there was an abundance of everything, they lived in grand style ... "
                    1. Far B
                      Far B 18 February 2021 08: 43
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                      Again twenty-five ... These are, excuse me, not letters. These are memories. Written strongly after the end of the war and Stalin's death. And the quote you quoted first is preceded by a rather strange phrase for a Soviet officer: "The funny thing is, we always thought we were free."... And this phrase somehow immediately lowers the level of trust in everything that is said next. It smells too much of a political order. In the Khrushchev and Gorbachev times, this was often practiced.
                      I ask you to cite excerpts from the letters, since you are referring to them (The first thing that soldiers and officers note in letters, etc.).
                      1. tasha
                        tasha 18 February 2021 08: 48
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                        You yourself will decide what you want ...
                        Please share with a couple (at least) such memories,

                        Read, search ... Give something to you if you do not want to read and understand.
                        And by the way, "Letters from the front are subject to mandatory military censorship. It is unlikely that admiration for the enemy's economy would have gone through perlustration."
                      2. Far B
                        Far B 18 February 2021 09: 16
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                        So why do you quote such quotes: "The first thing that soldiers and officers note in letters from East Prussia ", if you can’t cite an excerpt from such letters, but even indicate the source of the quote?
                      3. tasha
                        tasha 18 February 2021 09: 34
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                        My mistake, I agree. But I corrected it and gave you excerpts from memories. Good luck!
                      4. igor67
                        igor67 18 February 2021 11: 34
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                        Quote: Far In
                        So why do you quote such quotes: "The first thing that soldiers and officers note in letters from East Prussia ", if you can’t cite an excerpt from such letters, but even indicate the source of the quote?

                        My grandfather and grandmother Second Ukrainian, Grandfather is an artilleryman, grandmother of a traffic controller, they said that the Europeans really lived fine, there was conservation in the basements and there were smokes, the first time they were full and not bad, they said that they did not go to the field kitchen, there was food in the houses when they were returned to the Union at the end of 45, there was something to compare to famine and devastation.
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 18 February 2021 12: 46
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                        Quote: igor67
                        they said that they did not go to the field kitchen, there was a lot of food in the houses, when at the end of 45 they were returned to the Union, there was something to compare to famine and devastation.

                        In the same way, I can give examples of the First World War, when the peasants suddenly saw that they live much better in East Prussia than in Tsarist Russia. And as a result, soldiers from all fronts, sawing off trunks and butts from mosinki, flooded to their native places, where for some reason they were not particularly happy with them.
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 08: 44
      -5
      Quote: Far In
      Are you sure about Eastern Europe? ... rich life of ordinary Romanian / Polish / Slovak peasants or townspeople
      And what else did our troops go through? And let me remind you that post-war Eastern Europe is East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and not only Poles with Romanians, and yes, Soviet troops still liberated Austria, so Romanians (you would have dragged gypsies) and Poles are far from all Eastern Europe, to put it mildly.

      Quote: Far In
      as well as the Germans, food aid was provided immediately after liberation
      What kind of help is it IMMEDIATELY after release? 46-49 is not immediately after.
      And do not confuse general prosperity with the post-war food situation. The farm and the peasants were knocked out not only here.

      Quote: Dalny V
      Please acquaint yourself with a couple (at least) of such memoirs, where it is said about the rich life of ordinary Romanian / Polish / Slovak peasants or townspeople?
      Why would you? Here's about the Czechs, Hungarians and Germans, please. Or will you deny that they are in Eastern Europe?
      1. Far B
        Far B 18 February 2021 09: 07
        -9
        Let me remind you that post-war Eastern Europe is East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary
        Prussia - destroyed into wood, the population fled ahead of their own screeching under the influence of propaganda. East Germany: Berlin - in chips, Breslau (then part of the Reich) - in chips, in Dresden, Leipzig - the allies frolicked. The Germans fought for their territory seriously (against us; it was possible for the Allies to surrender in batches). Hungary - to pieces (until recently it remained a satellite of Germany, already under Salashi). It was on the territory of Hungary that the last major counterattack of the Nazis took place. There was nothing to envy there. Perhaps the only exception is Czechoslovakia. There were no such fierce battles as in the rest of Eastern Europe.
        What kind of help is it IMMEDIATELY after release?

        Well, e-my ... "On April 28, 1945, order No. 1" On the transfer of all power in Berlin into the hands of the Soviet military commandant's office "was published, signed by Berzarin ... As a city commandant, he advocates for the restoration of order, creates the city police and provides orders to supply the population". Immediately - this immediately. Inquire for the sake of interest, why Berzarin is still an honorary citizen of Berlin.
        Well, there was nothing to arouse admiration as an example of the thesis "they lived richly" in 44-45 years! The national economy in all these "republics of people's democracy" was then restored for many years. Moreover, with the active help of the USSR. Admired, how ...
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 09: 46
          -1
          Quote: Dalny V
          Prussia - destroyed into firewood

          Quote: Dalny V
          Hungary - to pieces

          Quote: Dalny V
          Berlin - chips, Breslau (then part of the Reich) - in chips, in Dresden, Leipzig - the allies frolicked
          Can you understand that big cities are not the whole country? And that even Prussia was not all "rolled out"?

          On the one hand, they are downright royal villas. And there and then a beggar railwayman in the public service, torn off, in bast shoes, one uniform cap on his head. The Hungarians lived well. We were treated with caution, but without aggression.

          Have you noticed something abroad?
          Of course, the difference in living standards immediately caught my eye.... Order,
          a level of management that was incomparable with ours. I remember in one
          In the town we went into the pigsty. .... I also remember that in almost every house there were many
          "Twists"
          , and we did not have it then. But in Berlin had everything
          conversely
          , there was not enough food, and hungry Germans often asked us for something
          any of the products ..

          six people were arrested, and we took the pig with us. The hostess stood by and
          cried. Either she felt sorry for the pig, or us. I do not know. Interrogated us
          found out that I was shooting.
          This is only one book from the series "The War and We" did not go far for everyone, Hungary and Germany lived well in the countryside, and Poland, too, did not live in poverty, they just do not write directly, but treats and sprinkling with sweets, immediately after the occupation, say a lot !
          Read Drabkin and the War and Us series.

          Quote: Dalny V
          On the transfer of all power in Berlin into the hands of the Soviet military commandant "... As a city commandant, he advocates the restoration of order, creates a city police and provides orders for supplying the population."

          It is a pity, but you did not understand the simple thing in this case, this is a huge city right after the battles with destroyed shops and transport routes, otherwise you would not have cited it as an example. Here is an example, and it is about the same Germany, at about the same time:
          I also remember that in almost every house there were many
          "Twists"
          , and we did not have it then. But in Berlin had everything
          conversely
          , there was not enough food, and hungry Germans often asked us for something
          any of the products.
          .

          This is not for my comments.
          Quote: Dalny V
          Admired, how ...
      2. bubalik
        bubalik 18 February 2021 12: 54
        +7
        What kind of help is it IMMEDIATELY after release? 46-49 is not immediately after.

        ,,, the war was still going on, and already the grain and equipment were sent to Europe. And not only to Germany.





        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 13: 07
          -3
          Quote: bubalik
          the war was still going on, and already the grain and equipment were sent to Europe. And not only to Germany
          Is this an indicator of the greater prosperity of Soviet Russia? In my opinion, these are the fundamental elements of Stalin's policy to create pro-Soviet governments in liberated Europe. Yes, to the detriment of the population of our country, but this is not a long-term job.
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 18 February 2021 13: 18
            +8
            ,,, I gave an example that help was provided.
            Yes, to the detriment of the population of our country, but this is not a long-term job.
            ,,, for the future ... what when in the villages they ate swan, and in Poland they drove grain in wagons and gave milk to children in Berlin.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 13: 57
              -1
              Quote: bubalik
              I gave an example that help was provided.
              Seed material, and the Polish Army was generally an ally.
              Quote: bubalik
              for the future ... what when they ate swan in the villages, and in Poland they drove grain in wagons and gave milk to children in Berlin.
              This is very bad, but the creation of allied governments and then the Warsaw Pact was simply impossible without such measures. And who knows how many Soviet lives it saved "in the future."
              1. DrEng527
                DrEng527 18 February 2021 15: 39
                +3
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                who knows how many Soviet lives it saved "in the future."

                see reality - they are all in NATO, and the monuments to our soldiers in the same Poland are forgotten request
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 16: 11
                  0
                  Quote: DrEng527
                  see reality - they are all in NATO
                  Is this a complaint against Stalin? And they joined NATO more than 40 years later.
                2. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 19 February 2021 12: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Is this a complaint against Stalin? And they joined NATO more than 40 years later.

                  Having drank socialism, all the countries of Eastern Europe wanted to escape ... Let me remind you of the uprisings in the GDR, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, the special position of Romania, the withdrawal of Albania request
                3. hjvtp1966
                  hjvtp1966 21 February 2021 00: 57
                  0
                  This is "perspective". State leaders must plan with a horizon of 20-50 years.
              2. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 16: 23
                +1
                Quote: DrEng527
                see reality - they are all in NATO, and the monuments to our soldiers in the same Poland are forgotten

                More than 40 years of loyalty from half of Europe is a very good prospect for a war-torn country. Considering the 20-year race for at least parity with the United States, it's just a great prospect. Sorry for the addition, but the comment did not have time to fix.
              3. DrEng527
                DrEng527 19 February 2021 12: 41
                -2
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                More than 40 years of loyalty from half of Europe is a very good prospect for a war-torn country.

                Seriously? we supplied them with grain when they were hungry! Then resources for almost nothing!
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 18 February 2021 16: 04
            +20
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            and the Polish Army was generally an ally.

            the one who is the army, and that is the population of Poland.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 16: 13
              -1
              Quote: Overlock
              the one who is the army, and that is the population of Poland.

              In your opinion, the army of an ally is kept in loyalty by the famine of fellow citizens?
            2. Overlock
              Overlock 18 February 2021 16: 17
              +22
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              In your opinion, the army of an ally is kept in loyalty by the famine of fellow citizens?

              and keep their own in hunger? Or is an ally more important than your own? Or maybe this is not an ally, but a partner?
            3. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 16: 20
              -1
              Quote: Overlock
              and keep their own in hunger? Or is an ally more important than your own? Or maybe this is not an ally, but a partner?
              And if there is a nonzero probability that in case of famine of his fellow citizens, this ally will turn his weapon against you? Questions and assumptions can be thrown around for a long time.
            4. Overlock
              Overlock 18 February 2021 16: 25
              +19
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              And if there is a nonzero probability that in case of famine of his fellow citizens, this ally will turn his weapon against you?

              Is there a possibility that there might be food riots? How many died of hunger?
            5. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 16: 32
              -2
              Quote: Overlock
              Is there a possibility that there might be food riots? How many died of hunger?
              There were speeches on how not to be and a lot of people died of hunger, but I will repeat once again the creation of a powerful belt of loyal countries undoubtedly saved the USSR from much more terrible consequences than the post-war famine. Let me remind you of the overwhelming economic and technical superiority of the West until the mid-60s, at least.
  • ivan2022
    ivan2022 26 March 2021 18: 35
    0
    Quote: bubalik
    when in the villages they ate swan, and in Poland they drove grain in wagons and gave milk to children in Berlin.


    THIS is, sorry, propaganda, designed for the "national characteristics" of your psyche. DAMAGES ALWAYS SEE THAT THEIR ONE TIME ON ....... LIE. Because deep down they agree that they are very good for this
    For mental health, I strongly advise you to read the book of the historian A. Shirokorad "The Great Contribution" (2015). Germany and its allies in the post-war years were plundered to the bone. This explains the historical fact of the rapid restoration of the USSR already in the first half of the 50s!

    At first it was "inconvenient to talk about it in front of the Germans," and then, after the collapse of the USSR, it became very convenient to bury the ... heads of the Russians.
    That is life !
  • yehat2
    yehat2 18 February 2021 15: 40
    +2
    interestingly, everyone in the west knows how the Americans flew to feed Berlin
    but no one knows that the Germans in Berlin for about 2 years ate mainly from Soviet soldiers' camp kitchens and distribution of food from the Soviet commandant's offices.
  • Overlock
    Overlock 18 February 2021 16: 03
    +19
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    but this is not a perspective job.

    and what about the perspective? Happened?
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 16: 16
      -3
      Quote: Overlock
      and what about the perspective? Happened?

      More than 40 years of loyalty from half of Europe is a very good prospect for a war-torn country. Considering the 20-year race for at least parity with the United States, it's just a great prospect.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 18 February 2021 09: 14
    +18
    Quote: Dalny V
    rich life of ordinary Romanian / Polish / Slovak peasants or townspeople?

    And except for the "simple" there was no one? There was a stratification there and one should not forget about other "classes".
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 February 2021 08: 22
    +1
    Quote: Dalny V
    Another very stupid cliche. Soviet people did not walk in festive Europe

    This picture was seen by our soldiers, a picture of Victory, a beautiful picture of the defeated Berlin.
    1. Professor
      Professor 18 February 2021 11: 00
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Dalny V
      Another very stupid cliche. Soviet people did not walk in festive Europe

      This picture was seen by our soldiers, a picture of Victory, a beautiful picture of the defeated Berlin.

      Frankfurt was also wiped off the face of the earth and Hamburg, but no one bombed small towns and villages and they remained untouched.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 18 February 2021 11: 05
        +2
        These whole small towns and villages were seen by our military and concluded that Europe lives richer than the USSR.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 18 February 2021 15: 38
          +4
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          whole small towns and villages saw our military and concluded that Europe lives richer than the USSR
          At political studies, they were told that the consequences of the intervention in the Civil War were more devastating than the consequences of the 1st World War.
          American, Japanese, British and French interventionists barbarously devastated the territories of the Soviet state occupied by them in the North, the Far East, Ukraine, Belarus, the North Caucasus and Transcaucasia, the Don, the Middle Volga and Siberia, Central Asia, in Crimea. They destroyed a huge number of industrial enterprises and industrial equipment, entire cities, a lot of settlements, villages and villages. Foreign invaders caused colossal damage to Soviet transport, both rail and water.
          Up to two-thirds of the Russian railway network was in certain periods in the hands of the interventionists and their mercenaries, who, when retreating under the blows of the Red Army, blew up and destroyed railway tracks, bridges, guiding structures and residential buildings, workshops, depots and rolling stock.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 February 2021 11: 11
        -4
        Quote: Professor
        Frankfurt was also wiped off the face of the earth and Hamburg, but no one bombed small towns and villages and they remained untouched.

        And let I.V. Stalin that they did not wipe them off the face of the earth, as they did with our villages and towns.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 18 February 2021 14: 57
          -5
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And let I.V. Stalin that they did not wipe them off the face of the earth, as they did with our villages and towns.

          Why should the Red Army destroy German settlements? What to restore them later during the occupation?
      3. yehat2
        yehat2 18 February 2021 15: 44
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        however, small towns and villages were not bombed and they remained intact

        Are you right that small towns and villages, of which there were a lot in Germany, are important, but untouched?
        several armies passed - they feed mainly at the expense of local
        requisition of transport and property in favor of the Wehrmacht
        shelling and bombing, marauder, conscription, disease and other losses during the war
        Yes, they were not destroyed as in Belarus under zero hundreds, but they also got it.
    2. DrEng527
      DrEng527 18 February 2021 15: 39
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      , a picture of Victory, a beautiful picture of the defeated Berlin.

      the allies bombed it ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 February 2021 17: 12
        0
        Quote: DrEng527
        the allies bombed it ...

        Whoever is bombing, but I like the sight of a stricken Berlin. This is for "Burnt Smolensk and burnt Rostov, burnt Russian huts .." I know liberals and Goebbels' followers will not like my words.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 18 February 2021 18: 24
          +24
          Quote: tihonmarine
          I know the liberals and Goebbels' followers will not like my words.

          The address was not mistaken?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 18 February 2021 20: 29
            +1
            Quote: Overlock
            The address was not mistaken?

            And in your opinion there are none?
        2. DrEng527
          DrEng527 19 February 2021 12: 45
          +3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          This is for "Burnt Smolensk and burnt Rostov, burnt Russian huts .."

          one might think it restored Smolensk or revived the dead ... request
          Quote: tihonmarine
          I know the liberals and Goebbels' followers will not like my words.

          you have strange thinking - do you like the grief of people? yes, the Germans suffered for the cause of following Hitler, but we also had a far from humanist at the head of the country ... should we boast ...
  • New Year day
    New Year day 18 February 2021 08: 59
    +25
    Quote: Dalny V
    So there was nothing to envy.

    This is certainly true! But what "trophies" were the mentioned persons and ordinary soldiers carrying in wagons?
    People saw wealth that was not at home.
    1. Far B
      Far B 18 February 2021 09: 25
      -5
      People saw wealth that was not at home
      Yeah, but many people already didn't have a home as such, because the German destroyed it. And then, the trophies were drawn as a winner, rather as funny trinkets or as a memory of the war. It was not for nothing that they were then kept by the veterans, even when they were no longer of any use on the farm. And then - what trophies could you take from the average Berliner, when in 45 he stood with a bowl at the field kitchen for a dose of Soviet soldier's porridge? The property of the bourgeoisie and other gentlemen, who, indeed, lived beautifully, went into trophies. But I initially did not take them into account. Because in the USSR, the property of such citizens was, for the most part, nationalized and transferred to museums, special depositories, archives and wherever. And this property (as well as many other things) the Germans during the occupation also did not hesitate to take out in echelons. Envied too?
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 18 February 2021 11: 59
        +24
        Quote: Dalny V
        Yeah, but many people didn't even have a home as such, because the German destroyed it.

        pay attention to the houses


        1. yehat2
          yehat2 18 February 2021 15: 46
          +3
          the main difference is that the Germans have industrial building materials - boards and bricks
          and in the villages of the USSR, basically what can be obtained nearby - logs, limestone, etc.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 18 February 2021 17: 26
            0
            Quote: yehat2

            0
            the main difference is that the Germans have industrial building materials - boards and bricks

            The stones were also burning, this is Smolensk.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 February 2021 17: 22
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          pay attention to the houses

          I noticed, and now you pay attention.


          1. yehat2
            yehat2 18 February 2021 17: 30
            0
            after the war, it turned out that about 7 million inhabitants of the USSR were homeless
            badly needed housing normalization around 20.
            the post-war building program had to correct this.
            The Khrushchevs (although it was planned before him) were part of the modernization and improvement of the housing stock.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 18 February 2021 17: 32
            +22
            Quote: tihonmarine
            and now you will notice.

            ....and...? What does this have to do with the prosperity of damned Europe?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 18 February 2021 17: 36
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              ....and...? What does this have to do with the prosperity of damned Europe?

              The same as your exhibited photos. You put yours out, I mine. Or mine are not very to your liking?
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 18 February 2021 18: 31
                +23
                Quote: tihonmarine
                The same as your exhibited photos. You put yours out, I mine.

                if you understood what it was all about, then you probably caught the meaning - straw on the roof we have and tiles from nemtsev.Dom is a reflection of the standard of living and prosperity in Europe.
                It's that simple, look at the root
          3. Avior
            Avior 18 February 2021 22: 42
            +3
            Anything has happened. War:((
            BETTER OF THE HIGH COMMAND

            ORDER
            November 17 1941 Year No. 428

            ON THE CREATION OF SPECIAL TEAMS FOR THE DESTRUCTION AND BURNING OF POPULAR ITEMS IN THE REAR OF THE GERMAN Fascist Troops
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 18 February 2021 15: 03
        +1
        Quote: Dalny V
        And then - what trophies could you take from the average Berliner,

        By the resolution of the Military Council 1 BF from March 1945, it was officially allowed to complete trophy parcels for Red Army soldiers who perform well on a monthly basis with sugar or confectionery up to 1 kg, soap - 200 g, three to five items from the list of consumer goods (socks, stockings, razors, blades, , toothbrushes, braces, baby items, buttons, cologne, office supplies). During demobilization, each private could count on a valuable item from the command - a razor, a clock, a radio, an accordion, a camera. Each large item relied on a document of donation by the command or acquisition by law. The military councils were recommended to give out gifts and sell things for a fee, taking into account the individual approach to the merits of the fighters and their marital status. Home to civilian life, the Red Army soldiers were carrying, in excess of all, ten kilograms of flour, two kilograms of sugar, two XNUMX gram cans of canned meat. For the hungry USSR, this was real wealth.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 February 2021 17: 15
        -2
        Quote: Dalny V
        And this property (as well as many other things) the Germans during the occupation also did not hesitate to take out in echelons. Envied too?

        These liberals do not understand this, and do not want to understand, for them Europe is like an icon in a church.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 18 February 2021 17: 36
          +21
          Quote: tihonmarine
          These liberals do not understand this, and do not want to understand, for them Europe is like an icon in a church.

          Brain cancer! Leave the stamps, return from it damned home, you are our patriot
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 18 February 2021 17: 47
            -3
            Quote: Silvestr
            Brain cancer! Leave the stamps, return from it damned home, you are our patriot

            Even though I do not live in Russia, but you are in Russia, I don’t see your love for your Motherland, but you are more drawn to Europe.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 18 February 2021 17: 51
              +23
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Even though I do not live in Russia, but you are in Russia, I don’t see your love for your Motherland, but you are more drawn to Europe.

              Lermontov also aspired to Europe? Remind him of his words? This is your love for Putin = Russia. However, for Russians abroad, this is the standard
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 18 February 2021 20: 23
                -2
                Quote: Silvestr
                This is your love for Putin = Russia. However, for Russians abroad, this is the standard

                You are right here.
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 18 February 2021 17: 35
        +20
        Quote: Dalny V
        Envied too?

        You have deviated from the topic of discussion. Envy has nothing to do with it - just a statement
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 18 February 2021 09: 37
      0
      Quote: Silvestr
      People saw wealth that was not at home.

      There is such a movie - "It was the month of May" ... it shows how this "wealth" was achieved ...
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 18 February 2021 12: 51
        +21
        Quote: mat-vey
        There is such a movie - "It was the month of May"

        The film is good, only because there was wealth and not only from slaves. How the German economy grew under Hitler! It was economic growth that allowed him to fool his brains
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 18 February 2021 12: 59
          -2
          Quote: Silvestr
          How the German economy grew under Hitler!

          Germany was even ahead of Hitler.
          Quote: Silvestr
          only because there was wealth and not only from slaves

          Well, they also pulled from Europe for several years .. and from the USSR too.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 18 February 2021 13: 01
            +20
            Quote: mat-vey
            Well, they also pulled from Europe for several years .. and from the USSR too.

            It's about the period before World War II. And when it began, then "everything for the front ..." they also began. It is enough to see how the Reichsmark collapsed at this time
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 18 February 2021 13: 09
              -2
              Quote: Silvestr
              It's about the period before World War II.

              Well, at first, what the soldiers saw was discussed, so I, as they say, "summed up" the total by that time .. And from the USSR, they even pulled the "army self-support" program.
              All the same, generations of German skilled workers, despite all the events, remained with them, and the USSR had to train a lot of personnel - the USSR bought machines and equipment from Germany, not vice versa ... well, the Germans at that time had the most developed chemistry, including production fertilizers ..
    3. Professor
      Professor 18 February 2021 11: 12
      +1
      Quote: Silvestr
      Quote: Dalny V
      So there was nothing to envy.

      This is certainly true! But what "trophies" were the mentioned persons and ordinary soldiers carrying in wagons?
      People saw wealth that was not at home.

      Especially they brought a wrist watch that a simple Soviet citizen could not afford. In many memoirs, locals from Eastern Europe are referred to as Soviet soldiers in EVERYONE the counter was asked if he still had a watch. An elderly Hungarian told me about this personally. Also, the story of the clock is described by Shukshin.

      And there really was wealth. By the way, quite a few Soviet soldiers remained in the West. Again, I personally know such a family. A Russian soldier married a German woman and stayed in Germany. Another example is the singer's father Cher, who also "did not return" from the war. It would be interesting to read the statistics of such "losses", but I have not found it anywhere.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 18 February 2021 11: 44
        +20
        Quote: Professor
        Especially they brought a wrist watch that a simple Soviet citizen could not afford. In many memoirs, locals from Eastern Europe are referred to as Soviet soldiers who asked EVERYONE they met if they had another watch.

        the most colorful example! Outstripped
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 18 February 2021 12: 48
          +3
          Quote: Silvestr
          the most colorful example! Outstripped

          After the war, the watch industry in the USSR was mainly made.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 18 February 2021 12: 49
            +23
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            After the war, the watch industry in the USSR was mainly made.

            Yes, a lot of things were taken out of Germany
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 18 February 2021 17: 55
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              Yes, a lot of things were taken out of Germany

              They drove who had time, but those who were demobilized did not carry much. But those who worked at the GOSVG, they could very much, and it is not very bad to buy goods for their salary, and officially with a check in hand.
          2. mat-vey
            mat-vey 18 February 2021 13: 28
            +2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            After the war, the watch industry in the USSR was mainly made.

            The second Moscow Watch Factory was opened in 1924. The factory was formed as a result of the merger of Moscow watch workshops with a radiotelegraph factory. In 1927, the Labor and Defense Council adopted a resolution "On the organization of watch production in the USSR." Equipment for the organization of production was purchased from the USA. The Dueber Hampden watch factory with a capacity of 200-250 thousand hours per year was purchased on a turnkey basis and became the basis for the creation of the 1st watch factory. In 1940, watches produced by the 1st GCHZ became a regular accessory of the officers of the Red Army. From 1930 to 1940 the plant produced 2,7 million pocket and wristwatches. At the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, the plant was evacuated to the city of Zlatoust. In Moscow he resumed work in 1942 and produced products for the front. During the Second World War, the production of watches was transferred to Chistopol, which after the war served as the basis for the opening of the ChChZ - Chistopol Watch Factory.
            On May 5, 1940, the People's Commissariat of General Machine Building issued an order on the formation of the Penza 3rd State Watch Factory. ZIF watches received a new name: Zvezda.
            Since the Swiss companies refused to provide assistance to Russia in organizing watchmaking, the Soviet delegation negotiates with the LIP firm to purchase documentation for a T-18 wristwatch. As intermediaries, the French ensure the purchase of the necessary equipment in Switzerland and provide technical assistance in mastering the production of watches. By the end of 1938, 1012 watches of the T-18 brand ("ZIF") were manufactured.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 18 February 2021 13: 37
              -1
              And in the 70s there were already about 20 factories, with an output of about 70 million per year.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 18 February 2021 13: 40
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And in the 70s there were already about 20 factories, with an output of about 70 million per year.

                Almost all watch factories in the USSR are descendants of the 1st and 2nd watchmakers. Some were formed on the basis of the production of high-precision technical stones with the involvement of specialists from the 1st watchmaker ..
                At "Vostok" (ChChZ), the production of tank and air watches was established. Also watches for light divers. In Uglich (a descendant of PChZ) watches for heavy divers (on the mechanisms "Poljot" 1st watch factory).
            2. bubalik
              bubalik 18 February 2021 16: 26
              +4
              mat-vey
              Today

              In Kuibyshev (Samara) Maslennikov's plant was still in operation.
              In 1937, the company mastered watch production, which subsequently produced up to 2,5 million watches per year, including under its own ZiM logo.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 18 February 2021 16: 36
                +1
                Quote: bubalik
                In Kuibyshev (Samara) Maslennikov's plant was still in operation.
                In 1937, the company mastered watch production, which subsequently produced up to 2,5 million watches per year, including under its own ZiM logo.

                During the war years, watch factories produced fuses and sights - mostly.
                1. bubalik
                  bubalik 18 February 2021 17: 35
                  +5
                  In 1909, the Temporary Economic Commission for the construction of the Samara Pipe Plant was created on the basis of the Decree of Nicholas II of 1906 on the construction of military factories using state funds.
                  The plant planned to produce aluminum tubes and capsule sleeves for three-inch rapid-fire guns.
                  During the Great Patriotic War, the Maslennikov plant mastered the production of shells for the famous Katyushas, ​​as well as ammunition for all combat arms.
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 18 February 2021 17: 42
                    0
                    Samara is generally a powerful city in industrial terms ... It's a pity that the confectionery went to Nestlé ... What a smell came from it ...
              2. Richard
                Richard 18 February 2021 22: 57
                +4
                bubalik: In Kuibyshev (Samara) Maslennikov's plant was still.
                In 1937, the company mastered watch production, which subsequently produced up to 2,5 million watches per year, including under its own ZiM logo.

                The younger brother of my great-grandmother in the Baltic went through the whole war with such people. His wife gave him before the war. The clock survived the war, Khrushev's times, and his entire family died in the blockade. Uncle Semyon wore them until his death

      2. RUSS
        RUSS 18 February 2021 15: 13
        -8
        Quote: Professor
        In many memoirs, locals from Eastern Europe are referred to as Soviet soldiers, EVERYONE they met was asked if he had another watch

        Yevgeny Khaldei's photo shows a Soviet soldier with two wristwatches.
        1. Professor
          Professor 18 February 2021 16: 59
          -6
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Professor
          In many memoirs, locals from Eastern Europe are referred to as Soviet soldiers, EVERYONE they met was asked if he had another watch

          Yevgeny Khaldei's photo shows a Soviet soldier with two wristwatches.

          Now the Pytrety "claim that it is a compass.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 February 2021 16: 27
      +1
      Quote: Silvestr
      This is certainly true! But what "trophies" were the mentioned persons and ordinary soldiers carrying in wagons?

      Until 1947. Even the camera was taken away from ordinary people, and then everything was taken away from everyone.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 18 February 2021 12: 04
    +4
    Quote: Far In
    In addition, the Soviet people, liberating Europe, saw with their own eyes that they still live better there.
    Another very stupid cliche. Soviet people did not walk in festive Europe - liberated Eastern Europe, with rare exceptions (Krakow, Vienna), lay in ruins no worse than our cities. So there was nothing to envy. From the word "absolutely".

    Vienna did not lie in ruins
    They saw a Hungarian village and a German village unbombed
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 February 2021 16: 45
      0
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Vienna did not lie in ruins

      Our grandfathers and fathers took pity on the Austrians.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 February 2021 07: 31
    -5
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    The most shameful anti-Soviet, and therefore Russophobic stamp!

    What to expect from dill? It’s easy to become a hoaryan, grab more for yourself and understand that everyone around is like that. Hence the concept "lust for personal power", but how else can it be. fool The author is an unambiguous Russophobe of the local spill.
  • Bar1
    Bar1 18 February 2021 09: 26
    0
    The impression from the article is that Stalin was always alone and always against everyone. No matter how many such historical investigations of that time took place, but a clear understanding of what was happening then was not happening.
    On the one hand, Stalin always made decisions alone against political upstarts like Malenkov and Khrushchev, on the other hand, the same Malenkov and Khrushchev did not allow Stalin to retire. This is not clear.
    1. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 18 February 2021 10: 14
      +4
      Reading the article, one gets the impression that they are all like spiders in a jar, squabbling among themselves. They thought not about the country and the state, but about their political ambitions.
      But this is always probably (or often) happens in politics. Politics has always been a dirty business.
      1. place
        place 25 February 2021 19: 25
        0
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        Reading the article, one gets the impression that they are all there like spiders in a bank, squabbling among themselves


        So the authors are paid for this impression and money! Or do you think that in our age of universal corruption, journalists are pure like angels and receive royalties for the search for the Highest Truth? For example, can you estimate what a penny cost our country the anti-Stalinist campaign that has been running under all the authorities for 60 years? Do you know how much it costs to stage a feature-length film alone?
        And this is all in order to show you the pure truth?
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 February 2021 09: 36
    -2
    Apukhtin Yuri Mikhailovich was born in 1948
    My grandmother at 90 years old, Eugene Onegin taught, God forbid, and so I, but here is another case. Victim of the Ukrainian Holodomor?
    An accusation was also brought against Molotov's wife, Pearl. She was accused meetings with Israeli Ambassador Golda Meir, establishing permanent contacts with representatives of the JAC and Mikhoels, support for their nationalist actions and transfer of classified information to them.
    According to one of the versions she gave classified information, which she accidentally heard during a conversation between Stalin and Molotov. At the end of December, Zhemchuzhina was expelled from the party and arrested a month later. At a meeting of the Politburo, Stalin He accused Molotov that he shares with his wife on issues discussed at the Politburo, and she passes the information to the members of the EAK.
    That's right, "you have to answer for the market."
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  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 18 February 2021 11: 52
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    The most shameful anti-Soviet, and therefore Russophobic stamp! Even without examining the lie about the "lust for one-man power", the stupidity and falsity of the assumption of "mental disorder" is obvious, if the disease or disorder is not treated, then it develops, and where is the development of this in Stalin?

    As the founders of the USSR and socialist ideas in general said in their own language - רוסופוביא - שמוסופוביא (Russophobia - Schmusophobia).
    On business:
    Stalin's intervention in the scientific community was far from successful

    For the timely creation of a vigorous loaf that provided us with a peaceful sky overhead, this is forgivable for him
    The USSR was the first to de facto recognize Israel's independence in May 1948. Stalin agreed to this, since there were many emigrants from Russia living in Israel. The ideas of socialism were quite popular there. And the leader was going to make Israel an outpost of socialism in the Middle East. However, these geopolitical calculations by Stalin did not materialize. Israel's ruling circles soon turned to face the West. And he had to pursue a different policy.

    Nonsense. In the USSR, the Israelis before the start of the doctors' case saw an Ally, in their country - "a bridge from Asia to Africa for the invincible Red Army." There are simply too many Soviet officers participating in the Second World War, incl. pilots, artillerymen and tankers wrote requests to release them to Israel to fight the "fascist feudal Arab regimes." And since It was strictly Haram to leave the socialist homeland, Stalin could not like it. Source: book "The Middle East" by Primakov
  • Artyom Karagodin
    Artyom Karagodin 18 February 2021 11: 54
    +2
    The author, of course, went too far about mental disorder. Stalin's extremely well-considered actions as a politician (even in carrying out repressions) do not give grounds to suspect that he has a mental disorder.

    As for the thirst for personal power, I would also say differently. Power, reaching the point of complete intolerance to objections - this feature in Stalin was noted by many. But it is precisely the lust for power that is a feeling characteristic of unbalanced natures. And Stalin is just an icon of self-control and composure, no matter how anyone treats him.

    However, this, of course, does not exclude suspicion. But for this very suspicion, frankly, there were enough reasons. Considering at least the path that Stalin traveled on the way to power. So I agree with your statements, colleague.
  • FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 18 February 2021 15: 00
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Stalin, due to his suspiciousness, suspicion and thirst for sole power, as well as the possible mental disorder that persecuted him for many years, hardly anyone from his environment seriously trusted
    The most shameful anti-Soviet, and therefore Russophobic stamp! Even without examining the lie about the "lust for one-man power", the stupidity and falsity of the assumption of "mental disorder" is obvious, if the disease or disorder is not treated, then it develops, and where is the development of this in Stalin?

    The "guys from Leningrad" went crazy ... They were Stalin's favorites, but at some point they decided that they were omnipotent and could solve problems of a universal scale ... In the end, they paid for this.
    The leader died a natural death

    The leader lay for two days ... without medical assistance. `` By his own death '' ..............
    Provide him with timely emergency medical care, who knows, maybe the `` corn man '' would not have come to power.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 18 February 2021 16: 09
      +19
      Quote: FIR FIR
      "The guys from Leningrad" went crazy ...

      The most interesting thing is now also guys from Leningrad
      1. FIR FIR
        FIR FIR 18 February 2021 16: 10
        +2
        And also from the coils ..............
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 18 February 2021 15: 35
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    The most shameful anti-Soviet, and therefore Russophobic stamp!

    you! Soviet-means Russophobic by definition! The article shows how Voznesensky's slightest departure from Russophobia was perceived as Great Russian chauvinism ... hi
  • yehat2
    yehat2 18 February 2021 15: 38
    +1
    I agree, this stamp has just set the teeth on edge.
    and he is being dragged into the world by people who did not know Stalin at all. I don't know him either, but I know what he left behind - books, articles, notes in books, speeches, other people's memories of him.
    nowhere did I see a thirst for power, but there was a lot of suspiciousness and suspicion in him, and there were reasons for that - an example of hundreds of well-known cases where Stalin understood and they wanted to deceive him.
    And it began with his organization of defense during the civil war somewhere in the south (I think Nikolaev). There he believed in responsible people and this led to a great tragedy. After that, Stalin became suspicious.
  • Semyon Mikhailov
    Semyon Mikhailov 16 May 2021 08: 41
    -1
    "The most disgraceful anti-Soviet, which means Russophobic stamp!" your cynata. What is the basis of the Russian idea? ORTHODOXY! Who destroyed ORTHODOXY with fire and sword? Soviet power, especially during the period when the country was led by I. Dzhugashvili. So anti-Soviet rhetoric and Russophobia have NOTHING IN COMMON. And the truth about those events should be published, and not "covered up" with propaganda cliches, so that God forbid, this does not happen again!
  • New Year day
    New Year day 18 February 2021 04: 40
    +32
    The figure is controversial. Remembering the obvious merits, one should not forget about the price of these merits, very often, of innocent victims.
    And the harder life is now, the more often they remember Stalin, assessing his importance in the development of the state. Saying "Stalin to you," people first of all think about the transcendental corruption, the place of the country in the world.
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 18 February 2021 05: 56
      +16
      Quote: Silvestr
      And the harder life is now, the more often they remember Stalin, assessing his significance in the development of the state.

      Well, that's right - after such a terrible war, the country rose, and in 30 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, where did we climb, to what heights? So people compare, so they remember Stalin every year in all polls better and better.
      1. tasha
        tasha 18 February 2021 06: 02
        +3
        Did you live under Stalin? I - no, I cannot compare.
        I agree with you that more could have been done in 30 years. Well, did you ask yourself the question, what and how? I am more interested in your answer, what methods and ways you plan to climb to the heights.
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        2. Destiny
          Destiny 18 February 2021 07: 38
          +13
          I will not be original here - I see the main evil in corruption and theft, and Stalin's methods are perfect for solving these problems - Stalin's experience teaches: there should be no "untouchables" in the fight against corruption. And if billions (from 1994-2018 from Russia has withdrawn assets, the total value of which may currently exceed $ 1 trillion, experts from Bloomberg Economics have calculated.) If they will stop exporting them themselves, then you can imagine what heights the country would have risen to, the whole world for children to collect money for operations for sure wouldn't have had to then.
          1. tasha
            tasha 18 February 2021 07: 47
            +7
            Thanks for the answer. This is all good and correct, but alas, not specific ...
            In China, for example, they shoot. But still they steal and corruption blooms. By the way, corruption in China is one of the elements of the economy. It is often easier to pay an official than to go the legal way ...
            1. Nazar
              Nazar 18 February 2021 08: 29
              +9
              taskha - In China, they are "shooting" and in many respects this is precisely why in China, even in 2020 (covid), GDP growth, just like in the "crisis" of 2008 and 2009, there was also a growth in GDP, and we had a complete failure. Well, they don't "shoot" here, they allow us to steal with impunity - hence all our "achievements".
              Don't like the example of China? Remember Singapore, their economy jumped forward after that. how all thieves and grabbers were jailed. More examples? South Korea, they do not hesitate to plant presidents there, even though the president is not "steal".
              1. tasha
                tasha 18 February 2021 08: 38
                +6
                Igor, they sit down with us. But plantings and executions alone will not help matters.
                I am not asking out of malice. I don’t know about you, but it’s very interesting and important for me to know what people think and what they offer. And we will leave empty criticism for a certain category of VO readers ...
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 18 February 2021 11: 07
                  +1
                  In Korea, presidents are jailed, but we have complete freedom for presidents (even former ones). Maybe that's why Korea is a highly developed economy?
                2. Overlock
                  Overlock 18 February 2021 16: 10
                  +21
                  Quote: tasha
                  and we sit down ...

                  ... switchmen
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 18 February 2021 15: 21
              +20
              Quote: tasha
              In China, for example, they shoot. But still they steal and corruption blooms

              But the country is developing!
              It cannot be said that executions motivate embezzlers to steal laughing
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 18 February 2021 08: 55
          +23
          Quote: tasha
          Did you live under Stalin?

          My grandmothers and parents lived under Stalin. Their stories are clearly not ordered. In addition, there is a lot of information - only a head is needed to analyze
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 18 February 2021 07: 54
        -5
        Quote: Destiny
        to what heights? So people compare, so recalled Stalin


        remember can only those who today about 85 years years, and they have something to compare:

        -Today Russians' consumption of meat, fish, sugar, clothing and so on - THREE times more than in 1950 (and with 1940 the difference is even greater), they live on TEN years longer, and housing per person is FIVE times morethan in 1952.

        So we lived hard, hungry, especially peasant majority population of Russia, devoid of state old-age pensions (but who pays taxes!), sick leave, passports, decent wages (compared to the city) and basic amenities, even .... electricity (70% of the peasants of the Pskov region and in 1965 did not have it).

        And all this in an informational environment filled with crazy deeds of doctors, "pests", Leningraders, etc. and uryakalstvom.

        в sound You cannot initiate and write this to your mind:
        TASS report in Pravda newspaper No. 13 (12581) and other central newspapers on January 13, 1953.

        PEST DOCTOR GROUP ARREST

        Some time ago, the state security authorities disclosed a terrorist group of doctors who set themselves the goal of reducing the lives of active leaders of the Soviet Union through destructive treatment.

        Documentary data, research, conclusions of medical experts and confessions of those arrested established that the criminals, being hidden enemies of the people, carried out harmful treatment of the sick and undermined their health.

        The investigation established that the members of the terrorist group, using their position as doctors and abusing the trust of patients, deliberately wickedly undermined the health of the latter, intentionally improper treatment destroyed them.



        etc.
        fool
        and all this without trial or anything else.

        All this, of course, turned out to be complete nonsense and already Beria immediately after the death of the leader released all the survivors including Molotov's wife.

        Leningraders suffered because they reminded that Russia and the Russians have no less rights than the other republics that it feeds at its own expense ...

        Article plus.
        1. Alf
          Alf 18 February 2021 08: 06
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          Today Russians' consumption of meat, fish, sugar, etc. is THREE times more than in 1950

          Then they ate PRODUCTS, and now the products of the chemical industry.
          Quote: Olgovich
          consumption today ... clothes

          Then someone went naked? Or did they not each have five pairs of jeans?
          Quote: Olgovich
          Leningraders suffered because they reminded that Russia and the Russians have no less rights than the other republics that it feeds at its own expense ...

          And if you remember how many goods were stolen during this very fair and WHO was involved in this?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 18 February 2021 08: 29
            -1
            Quote: Alf
            Then they ate PRODUCTS, and now the products of the chemical industry

            yeah: In the 1980s, the USSR was the world leader in this, he produced 2/3 of the world produced by PAPRIN. How the raw materials were used oil refining waste-PARAFFINS... They were fed to animals and, accordingly, us.
            How do you paraffin the taste?
            Quote: Alf
            Then someone went naked?

            according to you and Adam with a leaf ... dressed lol
            Quote: Alf
            And if you remember how many goods were stolen during this very fair and WHO was involved in this?

            Leningraders suffered for the fact that reminded that Russia and the Russians have no less rights than the other republics that it feeds at its own expense ...
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 18 February 2021 08: 54
              0
              In the 1980s, the USSR was the world leader in this - it produced 2/3 of the world production of PAPRIN. Waste of oil refining-PARAFFINS was used as a raw material. They fed animals and, accordingly, us.
              How does paraffin taste to you?

              How do you taste methanol or methane? In the USSR, feed yeast was mainly made by growing yeast in a paraffinic medium. In other countries, in addition to paraffin, methanol and methane were used for this.
              I will tell you more, now yeast using this technology is used not only as a feed additive for livestock, but also as isolates in food.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 18 February 2021 10: 26
                -3
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                In the USSR, feed yeast was mainly made by growing yeast in a paraffinic medium. In other countries, in addition to paraffin, methanol and methane were used for this.

                it was the USSR that produced this feed chemistry much more than ALL countries in the world combined.

                At the same time, many MILLIONS of hectares of pastures and meadows (more than any country) are overgrown with forest and bushes and millions of centners of the most valuable
                NATURAL grasses went under the snow - there was no one to harvest it.
                1. Foul skeptic
                  Foul skeptic 18 February 2021 11: 37
                  +3
                  it was the USSR that produced this feed chemistry much more than ALL countries of the world combined

                  Does it bother you that now all the countries of the world together produce more BVK than the USSR produced? Or the fact that in the 80s the same Finland bought from us both paprin and gaprin? Does it bother you that from the beginning of the 90s, when nothing remained of the agricultural sector and until the mid-90s, when the factories sawed almost all of their products, Turkey, Israel, Malaysia, Bulgaria were buying up? Does it bother you that Norway in 1990 agreed to buy a license from the USSR, like Denmark? Does it bother you that the opening of such factories is now being presented in the Russian press as a revolution and a leap into the future? Does it bother you that in 1977 the CIA even dedicated a separate report to the technology for the production of BVK from hydrocarbons?

                  At the same time, many MILLIONS of hectares of pastures and meadows (more than any country) are overgrown with forest and bushes and millions of centners of the most valuable
                  NATURAL grasses went under the snow - there was no one to harvest it

                  Everything is elementary, in kg of meadow hay - 50 grams of protein digestible by cattle, in a kilogram of BVK - 700-800 grams of digestible protein. The need for digestible protein for a non-milking cow is 500–800 g / day, a dairy cow - up to 1500, a young sow - up to 500 g / day. You will remove a ton of herbs from a hectare. If you carry out simple arithmetic operations, you will understand why in the 21st century, in comparison with the 20th, the proportion of BVK in the diet increased from 3 to 15%.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 February 2021 12: 28
                    -4
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    Does it bother you that now all the countries of the world together produce more BVK than the USSR produced?

                    No, I am not embarrassed that the misanthropic capitalists do not care about the people, what can we take from them, the damned xplutators?

                    But the fact that your people care workers did it, yes, it is embarrassing.
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    Everything is elementary, in kg of meadow hay - 50 grams of protein digestible by cattle, in a kilogram of BVK - 700-800 grams of digestible protein. The need for digestible protein for a non-milking cow is 500–800 g / day, a dairy cow - up to 1500, a young sow - up to 500 g / day. You will remove a ton of herbs from a hectare. If you carry out simple arithmetic operations, you will understand why in the 21st century, in comparison with the 20th, the proportion of BVK in the diet increased from 3 to 15%.


                    since you owls. OIL PARAFFINS - delicious? You never answered, yes.


                    with the West, everything is clear, there are NO meadows, and people need to feed a BILLION.

                    And in the USSR, even eat meadows, but their area is in Russia decreased by 1989 TWO times.-No one to work

                    And instead normal food, livestock (and we, respectively), ate derivatives of paraffions

                    And yes, I very much doubt that the cost of a ton of protein from meadow grasses is more than the cost of protein from energy-consuming technology of oil, so delicious to you, protein.
                    1. Foul skeptic
                      Foul skeptic 18 February 2021 12: 53
                      +2
                      No, it doesn't bother me that misanthropic capitalists don't care about the people.
                      But the fact that your people care workers did it, yes, it is embarrassing.

                      This is from your misunderstanding of the topic.
                      since you owls. OIL PARAFFINS - delicious? You never answered, yes.

                      This could only blurt out the one who did not master the chemistry further than the title on the cover of the textbook.
                      And in the USSR, at least eat meadows, but their area in Russia has decreased TWO times by 1989.

                      This is also due to your misunderstanding of the topic.
                      And instead of normal food, cattle (and we, respectively), ate derivatives of paraffions

                      This could only blurt out the one who did not master the chemistry further than the title on the cover of the textbook.
                      And yes, I very much doubt that the cost of a ton of protein from meadow grasses is greater than the cost of protein from the energy-consuming technology of oil, so tasty to you, protein.

                      And this, as before, is due to your misunderstanding of the topic.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 18 February 2021 13: 25
                        -4
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        This is from your misunderstanding of the topic.

                        said ignoramus
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        This could only blurt out the one who did not master the chemistry further than the title on the cover of the textbook.

                        This could only blurt out an overeating derivatives of the processing of waste oil-paraffins
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        This is also due to your misunderstanding of the topic.

                        Again ignorance taxis
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        This could only blurt out the one who did not master the chemistry further than the title on the cover of the textbook.

                        This could only blurt out an overeating derivatives of the processing of waste oil-paraffins
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And this, as before, is due to your misunderstanding of the topic.

                        - said the ignoramus.

                        again you have an empty one chatter ....
                      2. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 18 February 2021 16: 34
                        0
                        I answer and finish the conversation. It's useless to talk to you.
                        since you owls. OIL PARAFFINS - delicious? You never answered, yes.

                        1) BVK manufactured according to the standard established in the USSR did not contain alkanes in quantities (not more than 0,1%), affecting the taste of meat of the cattle fed with these BVK.
                        2) Why ask me about the taste of paraffins? You yourself should know. You eat them every time you consume confectionery.
                        And in the USSR, at least eat meadows, but their area in Russia has decreased TWO times by 1989.

                        3) A reduction in meadow area is not the same as a reduction in forage area. The first is shrinking, if only because the arable area is increasing. On which forage grasses continue to be planted. It is more efficient. The area for forage grasses increased, and the collection of forage grasses also increased. In the 80s, they are more than in the 60s and 70s.
                        And yes, I very much doubt that the cost of a ton of protein from meadow grasses is greater than the cost of protein from the energy-consuming technology of oil, so tasty to you, protein.

                        Doubt your health.

                        This is a man for those who doubt, back in the 60s, he justified the economic feasibility of using BVK created by the methods of chemistry of organoelement compounds. The cost of meat obtained is 4-5 times lower than the cost of meat obtained by traditional feeding.
                        And instead of normal food, cattle (and we, respectively), ate derivatives of paraffions

                        Research by Pokrovsky, Grigoryan, research by the British, Japanese, the conclusions of a joint working group of Soviet and American scientists, voiced at a conference at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology held on March 24-26, 1976, the above-mentioned CIA report, which brought together scattered information - they say (translated from English )
                        hydrocarbon BVK have a relatively high biological value in the complete absence of carcinogenicity, mutagenicity and teratogenicity.

                        hydrocarbon yeast BVK, meeting the criteria established by the USSR Ministry of Health, a highly satisfactory food supplement for livestock at a level of up to 15% of the diet

                        studies confirmed that these foods were very nutritious and delicious, and that there were no adverse effects from eating them.

                        No, it doesn't bother me that misanthropic capitalists don't care about the people.
                        But the fact that your people care workers did it, yes, it is embarrassing.

                        Capitalism here manifested itself only in the fact that the capitalist does not need a lot of meat, this drives down the price, soybean tycoons do not need a competitor in the feed market, etc. The fate of the BVK from hydrocarbons was shattered by the methods of dirty competition and the lobby of the concerned. Or do you think that British Petroleum broke the contract with the USSR for the construction of a BVK plant with a capacity of 1974 tons in 100? The factory for the Italian CTIP, already built and launched in Italy, was simply closed by the government in 000 (freedom of competition in all its glory then manifested itself). The Soviet industry was also purposefully strangled. Read the memoirs of the Minister of the Microbiological Industry (yes, imagine, this industry even had its own ministry, it was so strategically important) Bykov. He directly accuses Yakovlev and Gorbachev of liquidating the industry to please overseas partners.
                      3. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 18 February 2021 21: 23
                        -4
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        A reduction in meadow area is not the same as a reduction in the area under forage grasses. The first is shrinking, if only because the arable area is increasing. On which forage grasses continue to be planted. It is more efficient. The area for forage grasses increased, and the collection of forage grasses also increased. In the 80s they are more than in the 60s and 70s.

                        since the 1960s, the area of ​​arable land, meadows, and pastures has also declined.

                        The meadows are ABANDONED, there is nothing to feed, and instead of meadows, on the arable land, where grain and silage crops were planted before, they began to plant ... forage grasses
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Here's a man for the doubters yet in the 60s aboutled the substantiation of the economic feasibility of using BVK, created by methods of chemistry of organoelement compounds. The cost of meat obtained is 4-5 times lower than the cost of meat obtained by traditional feeding.

                        Aren't you ashamed to poke this old nonsense, calculated on practically free fuel and energy?
                        to obtain forage from meadows, the grasses must be mowed and transported.

                        BVK needs factories, equipment and energy with qualifications. labor.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        th 24-26 March 1976

                        In farm animals fed with paprine, hormonal metabolism and water-salt balance disorders were observed, leading to edema. An accumulation of abnormal amino acids was noted in their meat. The consumption of such meat could provoke exacerbations of chronic diseases. Other problems concerned energy consumption and environmental hazard the process of paprine production, in particular, the morbidity of workers of manufacturing enterprises and residents of adjacent territories with bronchial asthma and candidiasis. As a result, in the early 1990s, the production of paprine was phased out in favor of the production of feed yeast from plant raw materials

                        Special warnings related to the possible exacerbation of certain chronic diseases. Other problems related to the danger of the production process itself, in particular, the occurrence of some characteristic diseases among workers of enterprises and residents of the surrounding territories, since yeast of the genus Candida is conditionally pathogenic and can cause fungal diseases in humans (candidiasis). In addition, fine yeast dust is a strong allergen.

                        As a result of these problems, production dropped dramatically. For environmental reasons and health advice interest in this industry has also decreased worldwide... Now the limited use of paprine is found only in the diets of fur animals.
                        (C)
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        The Soviet industry was also purposefully strangled.

                        strangled economic and ecological inexpediency.

                        point.
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 18 February 2021 12: 41
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          Leningraders suffered for reminding them that Russia and the Russians have no less rights than the other republics that it feeds at its own expense ...

          Andrei, to be honest, Leningraders suffered from the death of Zhdanov, and a rival firm in the person of Malenkov and Beria fabricated the Leningrad case in a desire to approach Stalin's body! Zhdanov raised the topic of the Russian Communist Party of Bolsheviks! hi
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 19 February 2021 13: 31
            0
            Quote: Serg65
            Leningraders suffered due to the fact that Zhdanov died,

            Good day. Did you die or did you help?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 19 February 2021 13: 36
              +4
              Quote: tihonmarine
              whether he died or helped?

              Died, Valera, died a natural death. An intellectual, he could not stand the Stalinist working rhythm.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 19 February 2021 13: 57
                0
                Quote: Serg65
                Died, Valera, died a natural death. An intellectual, he could not stand the Stalinist working rhythm.

                And Shcherbakov too.
        3. Alf
          Alf 18 February 2021 15: 06
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Alf
          And if you remember how many goods were stolen during this very fair and WHO was involved in this?

          Leningraders suffered for reminding them that Russia and the Russians have no less rights than the other republics that it feeds at its own expense ...

          Follow the link .. https://nstarikov.ru/leningradskoe-delo-kak-stalin-borolsya-s-korruptsiej-98651
        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 February 2021 13: 27
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          In the 1980s, the USSR was the world leader in this - it produced 2/3 of the world production of PAPRIN. Waste of oil refining-PARAFFINS was used as a raw material.

          Here you have written correctly - Fodder yeast is biomass of yeast based on waste of pulp and paper and starch and syrup production and non-plant raw materials (petroleum fractions). Yes, and vodka was made from this rubbish in Novaya Ladoga, she endured brains even with the Ukrainian "beetle" cannot be compared.
      3. Moskovit
        Moskovit 18 February 2021 08: 44
        +1
        Did you live then? Have you tried those products? Maybe they were in part better than modern ones, but only they were not available. They dressed somehow. Ask your parents and grandparents. It was a very hard life. And before the war too, if you take the war as an argument. Whether the current lovers of Stalin would want to walk in only pants for 10 years and eat meat once every two weeks is a big question. I am already silent about cars, TVs, telephones ..
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 18 February 2021 10: 36
          +3
          I lived in those days and there was no need to "go too far", but they did not live richly, but there were no fashionable clothes and shoes, and it was difficult to buy meat in a store, but there were cooperative shops and a bazaar, where it was more expensive, but you could buy everything. But the fish was not sold at a high price and always, in our country, for example, (southern Siberia), shops were filled up with squid.
          By the way, any canteens (even school ones, even factory ones) always offered meat dishes.
          It was a very hard life.
          My grandfather lived at the time of the revolution, the provisional development, the Makhnovists and Petliurists - that's when, yes, life was hard, but under Brezhnev we already lived well.
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 18 February 2021 12: 21
            -1
            Did you live under Stalin? I'm talking about those times. Under Brezhnev, I lived a little.
            There were groceries in the corporate stores. But what were the prices! Let's say butter and sausage cost 10 rubles per kg. It's like 3000 tons now. Do you buy a lot at these prices?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 February 2021 14: 00
          0
          Quote: Moskovit
          Did you live then? Have you tried those products? Maybe they were partly better than modern ones, but only they were not available.

          Lived, and somehow did not starve. There was no pickle, but the taiga provided everything we needed.
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 20 February 2021 06: 37
            0
            But what about those who do not have taiga?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 20 February 2021 11: 58
              0
              Quote: Moskovit
              But what about those who do not have taiga?

              The village lived off a cow and pigs with chickens, also from its own garden, the city was worse off.
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 08: 52
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      -Today Russians' consumption of meat, fish, sugar, clothes, etc. is THREE times more than in 1950 (and since 1940 the difference is even greater), they live TEN years longer, and they have FIVE times more housing per person than in 1952.
      Olgovich, to compare the three post-war years and the present time, what kind of moral type should you be?

      Quote: Olgovich
      So they lived hard, especially the peasant majority of the population of Russia, deprived of state old-age pensions (but paying taxes, hoo!), Sick leave, passports, decent wages (compared to the city) and basic amenities, even ... electricity (70% of the peasants of the Pskov region and in 1965 did not have it).
      Well, Olgovich, give the coverage of the pension provision of the rural population of Russia in 1913, at least.
      Or the electrification of the village in the same year? Do not sparkle with intellectual squalor.

      Quote: Olgovich
      Leningraders suffered because they reminded that Russia and the Russians have no less rights than the other republics that it feeds at its own expense ...
      What a shame, post-war Leningrad was the most cosmopolitan city in the USSR.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 18 February 2021 09: 23
        -4
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Olgovich, to compare the three post-war years and the present time, what kind of moral type should you be?



        Especially for such he wrote (see above): Before the war, they ate and dressed much worsee than in 1953
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Well, Olgovich, give the coverage of the pension provision of the rural population of Russia in 1913, at least.
        Or electrification villages in the same year? Do not sparkle with intellectual squalor.

        FIFTY years have passed since the Thief, and in EUROPE (Smolensk region, Pskov region, etc.) 50-70% of the peasants live at LUCHINA and kerosene stoves I personally found these times!

        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        What a shame, post-war Leningrad was the most cosmopolitan city in the USSR.


        Shame on taking care of ... Russia? belay

        Shame to take away from working Russians they worked and distribute to Africans and other republics.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 10: 19
          -3
          Quote: Olgovich
          Especially for such he wrote (see above): Before the war, they ate and dressed much worse than in 1953
          Come on, what to lie then:
          Quote: Olgovich
          - today the consumption by Russians of meat, fish, sugar, clothes, etc. - is THREE times more than in 1950 (and since 1940 the difference is even greater),


          Your moral ugliness only emphasizes this, to demand from the country after a cruel war the European level of comfort!
          Quote: Olgovich
          FIFTY years have passed since the Thief, and in EUROPE (Smolensk region, Pskov region, etc.) 50-70% of the peasants live at LUCHINA and kerosene stoves I personally found these times!
          Balabol you are Romanian or Moldavian, no difference.

          Quote: Olgovich
          What a shame, post-war Leningrad was the most cosmopolitan city in the USSR.
          It's a shame to take care of ... Russia
          It's a shame to drag in Leningrad as an example of caring for Russia, knowing nothing about him or about his leadership.

          Quote: Olgovich
          It is a shame to take away from working Russians what they have done and give it to Africans and other republics
          The tears of the monarchist are delivered. Kshesinskaya knows who she is?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 18 February 2021 12: 03
            -4
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Come on, what to lie then:
            Quote: Olgovich
            - today the consumption by Russians of meat, fish, sugar, clothes, etc. - is THREE times more than in 1950 (and since 1940 the difference is even greater),

            CSB report 1955 (left) and Rosstat data 2016 (right) per person / year:

            - meat - 26 kg (CSO 55 years old) and 88 kg (Rosstat)

            - fish - 7 kg and 22 kg

            - eggs 60 pcs and 229 pc.

            - vegetable oil 2,7 l and 11 liters

            etc. - three to five times more people eat today1

            Oh, I forgot!

            -potatoes -241 kg and ..... 60 kg lol

            Has it come now, you know-it-all?

            here YOU would be on that potato diet-with life in length 63 years in shorts for years on 5 m2 of area-WITHOUT passport, sick leave , with monetary and nature taxes on everything (after payment of which only dung remains from the "profits from the cow) and payment of" labor with sticks, while it is necessary to shout joyfully "Hurray!"
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Your moral ugliness only emphasizes this, to demand from the country after a cruel war the European level of comfort!

            again it didn't come: WITHOUT war in built socialism 1937 years people dying of hunger- see Istmat
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            It's a shame to braid Leningrad as an example of caring for Russia, not knowing nothing about him, nor about his leadership.

            lol My ancestors lived in Petersburg back in 18 century is THREE centuries ago, and it's not for you to talk about it, as well as about the Leningrad case, for you, as shown above, are ZERO in the knowledge of elementary
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Balabol you are Romanian or Moldavian, no difference.

            It was yours who raped the Russian Bessarabia in the so-called. moldavia - don't forget, yes
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 13: 30
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              CSB report 1955 (left) and Rosstat data 2016 (right) per person / year:
              Naturally you are a degenerate, why don't you compare it with 55 from 1913 or 2016 from 1980 for example?

              Quote: Olgovich
              Has it come now, you know-it-all?

              It's ridiculous to see this from a moral monster and a liar.
              Quote: Olgovich
              here YOU would be on that potato diet-with a life of 63 years in shorts for years on 5 m2 of area-WITHOUT passport, hospital
              What is it, Olgovich? Tell us about the wonderful life in 1896 in Russia, for example, that you are not sending me there, that you are comparing this post-war USSR with the Russian Federation in 2016? Or was the sick leave in tsarist Russia introduced?
              Quote: Olgovich
              WITHOUT war, in built socialism in 1937, people were dying of hunger
              Without war, tsarist Russia died of hunger every year, so what? In 1947, without war, they were dying of hunger in the USSR, what does this prove? Well, the dumbest lie about "built socialism" shows your level once again.

              Quote: Olgovich
              My ancestors lived in St. Petersburg back in the 18th century - THREE centuries ago
              Did you wirelessly transfer the genetic memory from them to Bessarabia? What relation do they have to post-war Leningrad?

              Quote: Olgovich
              for you, as shown above, are ZERO in the knowledge of the elementary
              I am zero in your Russophobic logic and your clumsy juggling with twisted and twisted facts.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 18 February 2021 15: 35
                0
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Naturally you degenerate, why not compare with 55 from 1913 or 2016 from 1980 for example?

                Maladets, yeah lol

                but I compared it because Vova LITTLE here ::
                Vladimir_2U (Vladimir)
                Today, 10: 19

                Come on, what to lie then:
                Quote: Olgovich
                -Today Russians' consumption of meat, fish, sugar, clothes, etc. is THREE times more than in 1950 (and since 1940 the difference is even greater)


                into which he was shamefully poked in numbers lol
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                It's funny to see this from the moral urroda and a liar.

                wondering how the filter missed your pearls?

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                , what is the post-war USSR with the Russian Federation of 2016 comparing? Or was the sick leave in tsarist Russia introduced?

                1953 is the year of the best achievements of the Stalin era.

                And if you compare the pre-war, non-war USSR, then the situation is even more sad, in terms of the consumption of food and clothing and housing compared to 1955: tie it up in a knot.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Without war, tsarist Russia died of hunger every year, so what? In 1947, without war, they were dying of hunger in the USSR, what does this prove?


                In Russia, not only did they not die of hunger before the war, but during WWI it was the only one where there was NO famine (in Germany, 800 people died of hunger).

                But in 1947, hundreds of thousands died. that millions of poods of grain drove past the dying to the west - Romania, France, etc.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Did you wirelessly transfer the genetic memory from them to Bessarabia? What relation they have that to post-war Leningrad.

                such that this city and everything connected with it is especially interesting
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                I am zero in your Russophobic logic and your clumsy juggling with twisted and twisted facts.

                all numbers are in the specified sourceswhere are you and, um, yeah lol

                ps behave yourself, don't be so nervous of impotence lol
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 16: 07
                  -2
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  what is the post-war USSR with the Russian Federation in 2016 compare? Or was the sick leave in Tsarist Russia introduced?
                  1953 is the year of the best achievements of the Stalin era
                  That's how nice, 8 years have passed after the cruel war, and for some reason a comparison with the 16-year PEACEFUL period, so only a degenerate can compare. And what about the sick leave? From whom did the modern Russian Federation get it?

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  1953 is the year of the best achievements of the Stalin era
                  That's how cute, everything in 1953. Is the USSR over? Yes, this is pure idiocy!

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  In Russia, not only did they not die of hunger before the war
                  This is what a nonsense you have to be to write this, although it is clear how, such as you, Olgych!

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  During WWI, she was the only one where there was no hunger

                  Another survey covered 435 counties in the country. It was also carried out in October 1915. Here are its results: a shortage of wheat and wheat flour was reported by 361 counties, or 82% of the total, a shortage of rye or rye flour - 209 counties (48%).

                  Of particular concern is the fact that the lack of bread is already recorded in the fall, immediately after the harvest. "Do novi", as we remember, did not reach a significant number of peasant farms (and in the first study we are talking about cities in general), but if there was not enough grain already in October ...
                  The fact that there was no famine in the cities still says nothing about the situation in the countryside, the Bolsheviks did not come up with the surplus allocation at all ...

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  But in 1947, hundreds of thousands died. that millions of poods of grain drove past the dying to the west-Romania, France
                  It is a regrettable fact, only it does not cancel the export of grain to the same France past the same hundreds of thousands dying in the second half of the 19th century, only at the same time half of central Russia was not destroyed, Ukraine and Belarus and more than 20 million fellow citizens were not killed, and the allied governments on the background of the nuclear threat did not need help. But such a moral degenerate like you, Olgych, does not care about these little things.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  all the numbers are in the indicated sources, where are you and, um, yes
                  As you "sources" indicate, your "undoubted nobility" betrays, there is nowhere to put samples.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 February 2021 21: 47
                    -1
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    That's how nice, 8 years have passed after the cruel war, and why is that comparison with the 16 year PEACEFUL period,

                    I repeat for the THIRD time: in 1937 the non-war pre-war year, they ate and dressed more. than three times worse and even people were dying of hunger, yes.
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    This is what a nonsense you have to be to write this, although it is clear how, such as you, Olgych!

                    it's true.
                    and in the Second World War, so that they knew, they were dying of hunger and not only in besieged Leningrad, but, for example, in Bashkiria
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    The fact that there was no famine in the cities still says nothing about the situation in the countryside, the Bolsheviks did not come up with the surplus allocation at all ...

                    lol in the village even more so it was not.
                    in Russia there was no famine in PMV-there was no-tie yourself with a knot as a keepsake
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    It is a regrettable fact, only it does not cancel the export of grain to the same France past the same hundreds of thousands who died in the second half of the 19th century,

                    not taken out by, take an interest in the geography of the famine 1891
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    only half of central Russia was not destroyed, Ukraine and Belarus, and more than 20 million fellow citizens were not killed, and the allied governments did not need to help against the background of the nuclear threat.

                    belay fool lol
                    that is, after such losses of OWN citizens, it is necessary, at their expense, to feed the Romanians, Hungarians, etc., who just killed them?
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    degenerate

                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    idiocy

                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    degenneratu like you, Olgych

                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    You idiotic


                    you do not know how to behave.

                    Go-ka you-ignore, yeah negative

                    fuuuu ..
                  2. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 04: 07
                    0
                    It's just amazing bestiality to compare 1955 with 2016 and after getting the tinsel to jump to 1937. This is bestiality, dear olGYCH
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    That's how nice, 8 years have passed after the cruel war, and why is that comparison with the 16 year PEACEFUL period,
                    I repeat for the THIRD time: in 1937 the non-war pre-war year, they ate and dressed more. than three times worse and even people were dying of hunger, yes.

                    And what is there in 1937? According to the documents of the NKVD, as far as I remember, we are talking about a small number of cases of famine in SEPARATE districts, and by sorting out the stupidity and arrogance of the local leadership, such as you olGYCH, stupid and arrogant.

                    Quote: Olgovich
                    in the village even more so it was not.
                    in Russia there was no famine in PMV-there was no-tie yourself with a knot as a keepsake
                    In the pre-war years there was famine in the countryside, but suddenly it was gone in the military?
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Another survey covered 435 counties in the country. It was also carried out in October 1915. Here are its results: a shortage of wheat and wheat flour was reported by 361 counties, or 82% of the total, a shortage of rye or rye flour - 209 counties (48%).
                    Of particular concern is the fact that the lack of bread is already recorded in the fall, immediately after the harvest. "Do novi", as we remember, did not reach a significant number of peasant farms
                    An inconvenient fact is understandably more comfortable to ignore, this is your style, yours and your hostesses behind a puddle.

                    Quote: Olgovich
                    not taken out by, take an interest in the geography of the famine 1891

                    As usual with you, OGYCH, an angry bubble in a puddle. Because after asking, unpleasant things come out, for you and your hostesses:
                    In the spring of 1891, Alexei Ermolov, director of the department of unreported fees, drew up a note to the Minister of Finance Ivan Vyshnegradsky, in which he warned of the threat of famine. The government audited grocery stores. The results were frightening: in 50 provinces they were filled by 30% of the norm, and in 16 regions, where the harvest was the lowest, by 14%..
                    ... ..... The export of grain continued throughout the summer months. Russia sold almost 3,5 million tons of bread that year.
                    When it became clear that the situation was really critical, the government ordered a ban on grain exports. But the ban lasted only ten months: large landowners and businessmen, who had already bought up grain for export abroad, were indignant, and the authorities followed their lead.
                    The next year, when famine was already raging in the empire, the Russians sold even more grain to Europe - 6,6 million tons.


                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, and more than 20 million of their fellow citizens were not killed, and the allied governments, against the background of the nuclear threat, did not need help.
                    belay fool lol
                    that is, after such losses of OWN citizens, it is necessary, at their expense, to feed the Romanians, Hungarians, etc., who just killed them?
                    It's easy to pretend to be a fool and an idiotic, isn't it so, but we know that you are just a moral monster, so I'll chew for you: in almost all defeated and liberated countries, regimes loyal to the USSR were established, and in order to support them, Stalin HAD to take bread from their fellow citizens, otherwise the second war of the whole of Europe, but with the support of Britain and the United States with nuclear weapons against Russia, could not be avoided. Stalin had to choose the lesser evil.

                    Quote: Olgovich
                    degenerate
                    idiocy
                    degenneratu like you, Olgych
                    You idiotic

                    I apologize to olGYCH, in principle it is already clear that you are either a moral monster, or just a talking head in the service of stupid hostesses because of a puddle, and pretend to be an idiotic only when it is profitable.
                    The justification for my confidence is as follows, only a moral monster will compare 1953 with 2016 in terms of living standards of the population of Russia.
              2. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 18 February 2021 17: 31
                +1
                consumption of food and clothing and housing compared to 1955: tie yourself a knot.

                Aaaaa, all the 1955 note, keep pounding? A question for you that is directly related to this note. Please give me two numbers - the population in 1913 and 1940.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 18 February 2021 16: 05
              0
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Naturally you degenerate, why not compare from 55 from 1913 or 2016 from 1980 for example?

              you are not at your communist meeting, no need to be so angry about your ignorance. lol

              and compared, because you LIED here
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              come on, what to lie then:
              Quote: Olgovich
              -Today Russians' consumption of meat, fish, sugar, clothes, etc. is THREE times more than in 1950 (and since 1940 the difference is even greater)

              what they were poked at lol
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              why not compare with 55 from 1913

              why compare them? belay Food, clothing, housing in the city is practically the same
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              It's funny to see this from the moral urroda lol and the liar

              see above
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Without war, tsarist Russia died of hunger every year, so what? In 1947, without war, they were dying of hunger in the USSR, what does this prove?

              in Russia, not only did NOT die of hunger before WWI, but during it, they did NOT die: Russia single a warring country in Europe, where there was no hunger (in Germany, 800 corpses from hunger).

              In 1947, people were dying in Moldova and Little Russia, and millions of poods of grain marched past them to the west in echelons to ruinia, France, etc.

              Here such difference.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Well dumbest lies about "built socialism" your level once again shows

              dunno, read the reports of the NKVD for 1937 about the many deaths from hunger
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Did you wirelessly transfer the genetic memory from them to Bessarabia? What relation do they have to post-war Leningrad?

              we are especially studying the city.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              I am zero in your Russophobic logic and your clumsy juggling with twisted and twisted facts.

              and you ... refute the PRIMARY SOURCES-forward lol
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 18 February 2021 16: 09
                -1
                Are you an idiotic to duplicate a comment twice, just in slightly different words?
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 18 February 2021 10: 44
        +4
        I can also confirm the poor life before the war. My father is from the Tula region, he talked about poverty and hunger, they did not eat enough bread. And the houses in their village had earthen floors. Therefore, I want to shame the liar who tried to assure in the comments above that our population lived no poorer than Europeans. Lie: we lived much poorer.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 February 2021 14: 06
          0
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Lie: we lived much poorer.

          Yes, the village is in the Republic of Ingushetia, in the Soviet Union, which has now always lived in poverty. Now the truth is no longer a village, but rather a farm.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 February 2021 14: 04
        0
        Quote: Olgovich
        FIFTY years have passed since the Thief, and in EUROPE (Smolensk region, Pskov region, etc.) 50-70% of the peasants live at LUCHINA and kerosene stoves I personally found these times!

        In 1961, they came from Transbaikalia to Smolensk region, a karassin "seven-line" lamp, in 1962 they supplied electricity from the Dorogobuzhskaya GRES.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 18 February 2021 09: 18
    +23
    Quote: Destiny
    after such a terrible war

    And before this war?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 February 2021 08: 26
    +2
    Quote: Silvestr
    Saying "Stalin to you," people first of all think about the transcendental corruption, the place of the country in the world.

    After Stalin, and until now, the highest government officials are not subject to jurisdiction. Permissiveness depraves people, they no longer serve not the state, not the people, but the "golden calf", there is no need to give examples, there will not be enough comments, everyone knows them by their first and last names.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 18 February 2021 10: 46
      +1
      Vlad, I am surprised at your comment, you have always here "drowned" for power?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 February 2021 11: 01
        -2
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Vlad, I am surprised at your comment, you have always here "drowned" for power?

        Power is power, and officials are thieves under any power, so I approve of J.V. Stalin's actions towards high-ranking officials.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 18 February 2021 18: 33
          +21
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Power is power, and officials are thieves under any power, so I approve of J.V. Stalin's actions towards high-ranking officials.

          and encourage Putin's actions towards his officials laughing
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 18 February 2021 20: 32
            -1
            Quote: Silvestr
            and encourage Putin's actions towards his officials

            To all high-ranking officials, actions should be the same as those of J.V. Stalin.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 18 February 2021 21: 35
              +19
              Quote: tihonmarine
              should be like that of J.V. Stalin.

              laughing
              Disingenuous. After all, you know that in life now the attitude is completely different- '
              "we do not abandon our own"
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 18 February 2021 21: 41
                -2
                Quote: Silvestr
                Disingenuous. After all, you know that in life now the attitude is completely different- '
                "we do not abandon our own"

                I have no reason to dissemble, I express my thoughts, not Putin. His attitude towards them is his problem. But on the international stage, I like his behavior, as well as the revival of the army. So we who live over the hill like him too. And you (not only you personally) have your own questions and claims to him.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 18 February 2021 15: 14
    +4
    Quote: Silvestr
    The figure is controversial. Remembering the obvious merits, one should not forget about the price of these merits, very often, of innocent victims.

    Joseph Dzhugashvili is just a man. One person who, to the best of his knowledge and experience, took power into his own hands and solved the problems of the state by virtue of his worldview.
    How many victims were there? Many. How many innocents? Nobody knows. And he never will. Why? Yes, because in difficult years of trials and one person has an internal struggle in his soul, what can we say about the state ...
    And the years of Stalin's rule cannot be called calm and simple ...
    And it is customary to judge any business by the end result. What has the USSR become after 29 years of the Leader's rule? A question that is unnecessary to answer.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 18 February 2021 04: 48
    +5
    Rarely does anyone pass the exam in power ... A long stay in power like a drug and alcohol ... I want more and more ... Higher and higher. And when you reach the top you want to be there always ... you want to become immortal. It's so good that Mother Nature limited a person's life, otherwise he would turn the world around him into a nightmare. Stalin's life story repeats the life of emperors, pharaohs, sultans of ancient Rome, Egypt, Byzantium, Turkey, the Golden Horde ... there is nothing new in it.
    1. Until Ger
      Until Ger 18 February 2021 18: 22
      +1
      And the history of GDP is nothing
      repeats?
      Grabbed the chair
      all limbs ...
  • tasha
    tasha 18 February 2021 05: 34
    +12
    The article turned out, in my opinion, very balanced. It is clear that not everything stated above is true, much is debatable, but still, the author did a good job. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin was a man with his own merits and demerits.

    "The masses are inert and lazy, Hitler said and even wrote. They do not like to read. To think too. They must see one enemy in front of them and know one God."
    M. Romm "Ordinary Fascism".
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 18 February 2021 05: 52
      +13
      I also liked the article. The author did not rush from one extreme to another as a "bloody ghoul" or "a god on earth", like any historical person, Stalin had both positive and negative sides.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 February 2021 08: 28
      0
      Quote: tasha
      It is clear that not everything stated is true, much is debatable

      Rather not fully covered. But no one will miss the correct article.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 18 February 2021 06: 06
    -3
    With all the merits of the USSR in the social and scientific spheres. What is this Zhiguli a citizen could buy for 5500r and in 10 years and faster for 3 prices and more. And abroad where our cars were exported, a foreigner bought a Zhiguli for 2000r and immediately at that dollar rate plus there were no problems with rubber and original Soviet spare parts.?
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 18 February 2021 10: 52
      -2
      And this is already politics, the attitude towards foreigners has always been kinder than towards their own population. Now isn't it? That is why I do not like our government.
  • nnm
    nnm 18 February 2021 06: 53
    0
    This was especially evident in the rise of a rather mediocre and illiterate biologist Lysenko

    It may be unusual to hear this, but it is Lysenko who is the author and performer of the idea of ​​creating a global system of irrigation facilities in the Asian and steppe parts of the USSR.
    So it's probably not worth portraying him as an idiot ..
    With regard to anti-Semitism, a somewhat simplified vision is also given. Stalin made it clear that he agreed to the creation of a national republic in Crimea and it was with this idea that he sent Mikhoels on a Western tour. And it was the Crimean card that he played in negotiations with the British. In addition, the issue of the supply of Soviet weapons to Israel for protection, Israel's refusal to side with the USSR or accept neutrality in the Berlin crisis has not been disclosed. And Molotov's wife is a trifle in comparison with the strange death of Mikhoels.
    1. nnm
      nnm 18 February 2021 07: 08
      0
      With regard to Zhukov, a complete simplification. The reason for his internal conflict with Stalin regarding the refusal to execute Stalin's order has not been disclosed. Not mentioned is the fact that a few months before his death, Stalin repeatedly communicated with Zhukov and the matter went to the return of the marshal to Moscow. In order to artificially combine the business of the aviators with the trophy, they "pulled" the last 2 years. Apparently, the chronology did not fit, but I really wanted to ...
      Stalin, based on his suspiciousness, suspicion and thirst for sole power, as well as the possible mental disorders

      If up to this point it was still possible to read, albeit with a pencil in hand, then further it becomes a useless exercise. I would like to ask the author - from what reliable primary source did he get this statement? !! What nonsense! ??
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 18 February 2021 07: 37
        -2
        Quote: nnm
        If up to this point it was still possible to read, albeit with a pencil in hand, then further it becomes a useless exercise. I would like to ask the author - from which reliable primary source he got this statement ?! What nonsense! ??

        The author does not need this, he has one source: "Yes, everyone knows." fool
    2. Far B
      Far B 18 February 2021 07: 52
      +1
      Lysenko was categorically against the plowing of the virgin lands of Kazakhstan without planting windbreak strips and other related ones. But Khrushch had his own view of things. As a result, the glory of the people's academician was blown away from Lysenko, and the fertile layer was blown off the virgin soil. Both are clearly undeserved results.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 23 February 2021 14: 38
        -1
        Khrushchev treated Lysenko better even than Stalin. Despite the rehabilitation of Vavilov, Lysenko's merits were written up to the removal of Khrushchev. Trofim Denisovich was Nikita Sergeevich's favorite.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 February 2021 08: 34
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      It may be unusual to hear this, but it is Lysenko who is the author and performer of the idea of ​​creating a global system of irrigation facilities in the Asian and steppe parts of the USSR.

      I remember how it went ..... t grass field systems spread rot, even "Yaroslavl guys" sang -
      The grass-law system is good enough
      Flowers grow in the fields, but not a lot in the barns.

      And with Lysenka's handouts, they began to plow virgin lands. A man without education (Baku Agricultural School), he imagines himself an academician. Khrushchev needed him, "two boots."
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 18 February 2021 09: 25
        +18
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And with Lysenka's handouts

        Destroyed genetics. Decades behind
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 February 2021 08: 48
      -1
      Quote: nnm
      And it was the Crimean card that he played in negotiations with the British. In addition, the issue of the supply of Soviet weapons to Israel for protection has not been disclosed.

      The issues of "Crimean California" and the role of OZET in this matter, as well as the role of Stalin in the creation of the Zionist state in Palestine, have not been disclosed.
      Although no one will miss such an article.
    5. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 18 February 2021 09: 27
      +6
      Quote: nnm
      With regard to anti-Semitism, a somewhat simplified vision is also given. Stalin made it clear that he agreed to the creation of a national republic in Crimea and it was with this idea that he sent Mikhoels on a Western tour. And it was the Crimean card that he played in negotiations with the British. In addition, the issue of the supply of Soviet weapons to Israel for protection, Israel's refusal to side with the USSR or accept neutrality in the Berlin crisis has not been disclosed. And Molotov's wife is a trifle in comparison with the strange death of Mikhoels.

      I will start in the order of the theses you put forward.
      The fact that the Crimean Jewish autonomy was never created is explained, first of all, by the fact that in the spring of 1927 the resettlement of Jews to the Far East was chosen as an alternative. This option for solving the Jewish question in the USSR then seemed to the Stalinist leadership to be optimal, especially in terms of propaganda.


      The Crimean project was practically closed in the 1930s, however, during the war, it again became the object of attention of Jewish public figures and authorities. Although members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee had permission from Vyacheslav Molotov to negotiate material support for Jewish resettlement to Crimea after the Nazis were expelled from there, Mikhoels from the EAK in 1943 traveled to the USA, Canada, Mexico and Great Britain with propaganda assignments to organize financial support for the military actions of the USSR, and at all not according to the Crimean project. This was the initiative of the Soviet leadership: "The involvement of the Jewish masses in the fight against fascism throughout the world" ... The JAC brought from there more than $ 20 million for the needs of the USSR.

      On February 15, 1944, Mikhoels, Fefer and Epstein sent a letter to Stalin with a proposal to create a Jewish Soviet Socialist Republic in Crimea. The letter was edited by Solomon Lozovsky. The arguments for the creation of a Jewish republic were the reluctance of Jews to return to places of mass death of the Jewish population, the need to preserve the Jewish intelligentsia in the face of a decrease in its demand in the national republics, and new outbreaks of anti-Semitism. At the same time, the Birobidzhan project was rejected due to its extreme remoteness from the places of residence of the "main Jewish laboring masses."
      Nevertheless in 1944 this proposal did not find the support of the Soviet leadership and became one of the reasons for the deterioration of the attitude towards the JAC, which, according to the curators from the Central Committee of the CPSU (b), was not doing what it was created for.

      After the fabrication of the "Zionist conspiracy" by the Ministry of State Security in 1948, this letter was attached to the case and presented as evidence of criminal plans. Lozovsky was expelled from the Communist Party with the wording "conspiring behind the back of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) with the anti-fascist Jewish committee on how to fulfill the plan of American capitalist circles to create a Jewish state in Crimea." Similar charges were brought against the arrested EAK members in 1952. In total, 125 people were repressed in the JAC case, including 23 were shot and 6 died during the investigation.

      I will not in any way detract from the merits of the USSR in the creation of a Jewish state. From the 33-s states voted "FOR" - 3 voices were from the USSR and 2 from its satellites. However, it should be understood and another side of this issue. The creation of Israel naturally squeezed Britain from a strategically important region and could enable the USSR to take its place. The words of Stalin are widely known:
      “Let's agree with the formation of Israel. It will be like an awl in the ass for the Arab states and will make them turn their back on Britain. Ultimately, British influence will be completely undermined in Egypt, Syria, Turkey and Iraq. ”

      After the end of World War II, Great Britain could no longer hold its colonies, and many of them gained independence. Palestine is no exception. Whether the UN would vote for partitioning or not, the Jewish state already existed by that time.

      There has never been any direct supply of weapons from the USSR to Israel. Joseph Vissarionovich graciously allowed Czechoslovakia to supply weapons to Israel, but they were not decisive. Deliveries were limited to two dozen converted Messerschmitts at astronomical prices and small arms. Avia S-199 were delivered to Israel - at a price of $ 180 per plane. For comparison, the Americans sold fighters for $ 000 and bombers for $ 15 per plane. The Palestinian Air Service purchased from different countries medium-sized C-000 Commando transport aircraft for $ 30, C-000 Constellation four-engine transport aircraft for $ 46 apiece, and B-5 heavy bombers for $ 000.

      On November 29, 1947, the UN adopted a plan for the partition of Palestine, and on January 12, 1948, Solomon Mikhoels was killed by employees of the USSR Ministry of State Security, followed in Czechoslovakia by the Slansky Case, inspired by the USSR (Rudolf Slansky and 13 other high-ranking party and state leaders, 11 of whom were Jews, were arrested at the end of 1952 and charged with a "Trotsky-Zionist-Tito conspiracy" and executed, accused of high treason, giving up military secrets, subversive activities, economic sabotage and sabotage, preparing attempts on the life of party and state leaders, and etc. There, among other things, they will be blamed for that weapon for Israel), "The Doctors' Case", "The Struggle Against Cosmopolitans", every single school where teaching was conducted, including in the Hebrew language, theaters, newspapers, magazines, publishing houses ...
      I often repeat that Israel has never feared domestic anti-Semitism. On the contrary, the more household workers put pressure on Jews, the more they come to Israel. Israel has always feared state anti-Semitism. All this could not please the young Jewish state, and for all its socialist nature (yes, Israel was created by idealist socialists, there was a very strong Communist Party and trade unions there at that time), went under the wing of the West, and the USSR began to help the Arab countries. Alas...

      PS As for the "Berlin Crisis" - economic protests of workers in East Berlin, which grew into a political strike against the GDR government throughout the country, it happened in June 1953 after the death of the Father of Nations and has nothing to do with our topic. However, if you have any facts about Israel's actions these days - "Israel's refusal to take the side of the USSR or accept neutrality in the Berlin crisis", etc., I will listen to them with interest. hi
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 February 2021 09: 50
        -1
        Quote: A. Privalov
        The Crimean project was practically closed in the 1930s, however, during the war, it again became the object of attention of Jewish public figures and authorities.

        Sorry, but with all due respect to you, but this is not so, and you know this perfectly well, and you do not need to keep us for being stupid. And we don't need to rub in OZET propaganda. These were flowers in the 30s, and Stalin managed to quickly turn them into berries with the capital in Birobidzhan. But after the Tekgeran conference, these were certainly the berries of "Crimean California". You know perfectly well how these berries were picked. The state project on Mount Zion worked. And for your joy, and we are not a burden. Live and rejoice, and I really like Israel.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 18 February 2021 10: 13
          +6
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Sorry, but with all due respect to you, but this is not so, and you know this perfectly well, and you do not need to keep us for being stupid. And we don't need to rub in OZET propaganda. These were flowers in the 30s, and Stalin managed to quickly turn them into berries with the capital in Birobidzhan. But after the Tekgeran conference, these were certainly the berries of "Crimean California". You know perfectly well how these berries were picked. The state project on Mount Zion worked. And for your joy, and we are not a burden. Live and rejoice, and I really like Israel.

          The issues of "Crimean California" and the role of OZET in this issue have not been disclosed.

          In May 1938, OZET was liquidated by a special decree of the Central Executive Committee. In the course of mass repressions, a significant part of the OZET leadership was destroyed. In the same year, all previously created Jewish national districts and village councils were disbanded, and Jewish schools in them were turned into Russian ones.

          I can only repeat: after 1944, the question of resettlement of Jews to Crimea was never again raised.
          "Crimean California" is a myth.


          I beg your pardon, but I am not in the habit of discussing with adherents of world conspiracy theories. Sorry for the time. hi
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 18 February 2021 10: 54
            -3
            Quote: A. Privalov
            "Crimean California" is a myth.

            You have been feeding us this for a long time. OZET was liquidated, but his business lived on, and it turns out that it still lives on. And I also do not like to discuss with their adherents.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 18 February 2021 06: 58
    +1
    Of course, Stalin could not foresee that what he was fighting against would become prohibitively aggressive in the future. Starting with pure art and ending with biology. Everything that we now see in the movies, we consume as food, everything has become ersatz, not real. Only real thinking will save our people. people.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 February 2021 08: 36
      -6
      Quote: nikvic46
      Of course Stalin could not have foreseen that what he was fighting against would become prohibitively aggressive in the future.

      Stalin's words "The closer to socialism, the stronger the class struggle becomes."
      And try somebody to refute it.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 18 February 2021 09: 27
        +23
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The closer to socialism, the stronger the class struggle becomes. "

        And what kind of class struggle was there in the USSR?
        In my opinion, complete unanimity.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 February 2021 09: 58
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          And what kind of class struggle was there in the USSR?

          I don’t know, I don’t know, but for some reason now in Russia capitalism, with "complete unanimity". The class struggle of the working class against capitalism ended with the victory of capitalism.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 18 February 2021 10: 09
            +20
            Quote: tihonmarine
            now in Russia capitalism, with "complete unanimity."

            Thus, according to Lenin, there are no classes, no Iskra. Therefore, unanimity ... for now
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 18 February 2021 11: 04
              -4
              Quote: Silvestr
              Thus, according to Lenin, there are no classes, no Iskra.

              But Comrade Stalin did not think so, for not all bourgeois elements were destroyed.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 18 February 2021 13: 08
                +20
                Quote: tihonmarine
                for not all bourgeois elements were destroyed.

                and what is the result?
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 18 February 2021 14: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  and what is the result?

                  Capitalism outside the window blooms and smells.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 18 February 2021 07: 31
    -3
    The article is rather naive, -... Stalin knew everything, understood everything and kept everyone in good shape, as the article says and, more than once - in good shape. Kuznetsov or Rybalchenko, etc., such a tone turned out to be excessive.
    1. tasha
      tasha 18 February 2021 07: 49
      +1
      Vladimir, Stalin died - and everything fell apart .. How so?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 18 February 2021 08: 03
        +4
        Quote: tasha
        How so?

        Because everyone was tired of the continuous tone, speaking in the author's language. The system of power under Stalin was built in such a way that enemies were needed, even if they were not there, who had to be constantly shot.
        After Stalin's death, the whole system collapsed rather quickly, because everyone was tired of this and the point here is not in Khrushchev, and the other behaved the same way, which would have had its own XX Congress.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 18 February 2021 08: 43
          -7
          Quote: bober1982
          Stalin was built in such a way that enemies were needed, even if they did not exist,

          Stalin's flaw, planted a little ...

          Quote: bober1982
          who had to be constantly shot.

          Have you heard enough of the liberals?


          This data is taken from from 1921 yearwhen Stalin was not in power and even those assigned to him were not enough to call him a bloody dictator ...

          642980 - and this is taking into account the consequences of the war: Bandera, green brothers, Vlatsovtsy, policemen and other traitors, plus brutalized bandits from impunity: murderers, rapists, gopstopniks, and so on.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 18 February 2021 09: 17
            +4
            Quote: Boris55
            Have you heard enough of the liberals?

            Not quite so, the state security also heard a lot of anti-Soviet conversations (on wiretapping), including.
            There is an inaccuracy in the article, by the way, there are a lot of them, but for example, Generals Gordov and Rybalchenko were shot not for a trophy case, but for terry anti-Soviet conversations, they were tapped in hotels and even in the bedroom with their wives.
            The essence of the generals' conversations was as follows (and the authorities and Stalin did not like these conversations) - there was hunger all around, only empty conversations, this could no longer continue, sycophancy is everywhere, this, then Stalin is mentioned ......., swearing at him etc.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 18 February 2021 10: 18
              -3
              Quote: bober1982
              The essence of the generals' conversations was as follows (and the authorities and Stalin did not like these conversations) - there was hunger all around, only empty conversations, this could no longer continue, sycophancy was everywhere

              How do you feel about Navalny? He also conducts anti-Russian conversations.

              During the war, many Bolsheviks laid down their heads and many Trotskyists in the rear did not climb out ... The fact that the Trotskyists rehabilitated them in 1957 speaks volumes.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 18 February 2021 10: 21
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                The fact that the Trotskyists rehabilitated him in 1957

                Name these very Trotskyists, at least a few names, it is curious.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 18 February 2021 10: 22
                  -2
                  Quote: bober1982
                  at least a few surnames

                  Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin.
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 18 February 2021 10: 25
                    +5
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin

                    Yes, you, my friend, are talking. Well, business.
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 18 February 2021 10: 35
                      -6
                      Quote: bober1982
                      Yes, you, my friend, are talking. Well, business.

                      "Judge them according to their works"
                      Trotskyist Khrushchev did not manage to send the USSR along the capitalist path by force (executions - Novocherkassk), Brezhnev was installed, during his stagnation all the Stalinist administrative cadres were replaced on the ground (during the collapse of the USSR, no one bastard raised the people to fight the Trotskyists), sent to Switzerland, the young reformers - Chubais, Gaidar, Burbulis, etc., who, after their return, moved to the active phase of the USSR's turn towards capitalism .... Also during this time the people deliberately developed a negative attitude towards the leadership ... and so on. ...
                      1. bober1982
                        bober1982 18 February 2021 10: 39
                        +4
                        Quote: Boris55
                        during the collapse of the USSR, no one bastard raised the people to fight the Trotskyists

                        All were all around Trotskyites-scum, there was no one to raise and no one.
                        You can get confused.
                  2. bober1982
                    bober1982 18 February 2021 10: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin

                    Yeltsin, exactly in 1957, became the foreman of the construction administration of the trust, and only in 1961 he joined the CPSU.
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 18 February 2021 10: 41
                      -6
                      Quote: bober1982
                      and only in 1961 he joined the Communist Party.

                      The Trotskyists announced their victory in the confrontation with the Bolsheviks during Stalin's lifetime, in 1952 to the whole world by renaming the CPSU (b) into the CPSU. In the abbreviation of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the Bolsheviks were no longer there, over time they did not become in the party, including. Yeltsin joined a party completely controlled by the Trotskyists.
                      1. bober1982
                        bober1982 18 February 2021 10: 42
                        +2
                        Okay, so be it, I've had enough.
            2. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 18 February 2021 10: 59
              +1
              So the mention of hunger and empty talk is anti-Soviet talk?
              1. The comment was deleted.
            3. New Year day
              New Year day 18 February 2021 11: 47
              +22
              Quote: bober1982
              precisely for terry anti-Soviet conversations, they were tapped in hotels and, even in the bedroom with their wives

              and is it ok?
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 18 February 2021 11: 55
                0
                Quote: Silvestr
                and is it ok?

                Yes, beyond praise, it speaks of the strength of the special services.
                Both generals were, as they believed, undeservedly offended by the authorities, I repeat - they thought so, hence such frankness, as it happens in such cases.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 18 February 2021 12: 28
                  +23
                  Quote: bober1982
                  Yes, beyond praise, it speaks of the strength of the special services

                  those. Have you crawled into bed and are you well? request
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 18 February 2021 12: 31
                    -4
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    those. Have you crawled into bed and are you well?

                    This is the work, and any work must be done in good faith.
                    And it’s better not to start such conversations with your wife.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 18 February 2021 12: 43
                      +20
                      Quote: bober1982
                      And it’s better not to start such conversations with your wife.

                      request
                      1. bober1982
                        bober1982 18 February 2021 12: 52
                        +2
                        And, I'm about the same, I support.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 18 February 2021 09: 29
          +21
          Quote: bober1982
          the point here is not Khrushchev, and the other behaved the same way, who would have had his own XX Congress.

          I am sure that he is still ahead!
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 18 February 2021 09: 35
            +2
            Quote: Silvestr
            I am sure that he is still ahead!

            I did not understand, after all, the XX Congress, these are the very jackals who began to shake the name and memory of Stalin.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 18 February 2021 09: 27
        +19
        Quote: tasha
        Stalin died - and everything fell apart ..

        And after Brezhnev, crumbled
      3. hjvtp1966
        hjvtp1966 21 February 2021 09: 16
        0
        And what is wrong? All great empires collapsed after the rulers who built a rigid system around themselves. Qing Shi, Chinggis, Timur, Charlemagne, Ivan IV. You can also remember to prove the pattern.
        In general, an excellent article, balanced.
  • OlegVK
    OlegVK 18 February 2021 07: 36
    -4
    Where is the story? Blah blah blah on stamps, mostly false.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 18 February 2021 07: 50
    +1
    In general, when considering the entire post-war activities of Stalin, one should take into account the assumption that he suffered several heart attacks and strokes. Although now they will pounce on me and say how dare I trample on the image of the leader, but still it is stupid to make him a superman. In addition, it is necessary to take into account the number of days that Stalin generally spent at the workplace - this figure was decreasing by the time of his death. I remember that his associates generally had a facsimile with his signature, so he could not exactly control the undercover games.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 18 February 2021 08: 02
      +4
      I remember that his associates generally had a facsimile with his signature,

      The source of this statement, plz.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 18 February 2021 09: 35
      +23
      Quote: Deniska999
      the assumption that he suffered several heart attacks and strokes.

      Suffice it to recall Stalin's age, the level of development of medicine in that period and the average life expectancy. Cerebrovascular disease, a companion of atherosclerosis, inevitably causes mental disorders without strokes. And after a stroke, even more so. This is human physiology and no one can escape the laws of biology, not even Stalin. And so much has been said about his love for doctors!
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 18 February 2021 08: 09
    +3
    The writer Zoshchenko and the poet Akhmatova, whose works were published on the pages of the Zvezda magazine, were especially harshly condemned.

    Zoshchenko was accused of preparing works that were unprincipled and ideologically alien to Soviet literature.

    And Akhmatova was called

    "A typical representative of empty, unprincipled poetry, alien to our people."

    If we take those things for which Zoshchenko and Akhmatova are criticized, it turns out that everything was done correctly in relation to them. In "The Tale of the Monkey" Zoshchenko said that she was much more comfortable in a cage than without a cage, which was an obvious challenge to all Soviet people and another fig in her pocket. This is what the "creative intelligentsia" was doing from 1956 to 1991 inclusive. Akhmatova at that time wrote poetry on the theme "Oh, did I give that one." In the ZhZL series, a book about Zhdanov was published several years ago, the author is Volynets, everything is analyzed in great detail.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 18 February 2021 09: 37
      +22
      Quote: Aviator_
      "Oh, did I give that one?"

      Do you know about the unpublished poems of Pushkin and Lermontov?
      They will be worse
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 18 February 2021 18: 40
        +3
        Neither Pushkin nor Lermontov received money for their unprintable works. Like Barkov, a student of Lomonosov. And these "creative intellectuals" lived only by this. For example, there was such a writer - Zoshchenko, and there were writers Ilf and Petrov. We lived at the same time, wrote about the same thing, for example, about a communal apartment. But Ilf and Petrov murderously sarcastically described the "Crow Slobodka" with its inhabitants, and one wants to hang from the works of Zoshchenko. In my opinion, for reading Zoshchenko's works you have to pay extra and give out milk.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 18 February 2021 21: 39
          +19
          Quote: Aviator_
          you have to pay extra for reading Zoshchenko's works

          At one time, after Zadornov, depression began - after all, how right he was, but it's better not to know. And now life shows him right
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 February 2021 08: 37
    -4
    Despite their achievements during the war, they must have felt that at any moment their fate could change dramatically.
    Posted by fool fool fool
  • Professor
    Professor 18 February 2021 09: 40
    +3
    An article on a weak C grade. negative Much is turned upside down and causes are confused with effects.
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    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 18 February 2021 11: 42
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      Quote: Operator
      The case of the Kremlin doctors had an objective basis - since the 1920s, the medical staff of the Kremlin medicine was selected exclusively for the pull of Jews among Jews, an excessive number of medical staff with a narrow circle of patients led to the degradation of the qualifications of Kremlin doctors.

      Typical anti-Semitic excuse.
      In fact, Stalin demanded from the MGB the maximum development of a version about the Zionist nature of the conspiracy and about the conspirators' connections with British and American intelligence through the Joint.
      On December 1, 1952, Stalin declared:
      “Any Jewish nationalist is an agent of American intelligence. Jewish nationalists believe that the United States saved their nation ... There are many Jewish nationalists among the doctors. "

      Stalin not only supervised, but also personally directed the investigation into this case, demanding to "disclose" not so much the harmful treatment as espionage and terror.

      The anti-Semitic background of the campaign is visible to the naked eye. It started on January 13, 1953 with the publication of a TASS report.
      “Most of the members of the terrorist group (MS Vovsi, BB Kogan, AI Feldman, AM Grinshtein, Ya.G. Etinger and others) were associated with the international Jewish bourgeois-nationalist organization“ Joint "Created by American intelligence. Other members of the terrorist group (Vinogradov V.N., Kogan M.B., Egorov P.I.) turned out to be long-standing agents of British intelligence. The investigation will be completed in the near future. "
      Two of the aforementioned “killer doctors” had already died by that time. These are Yakov Eitinger (died in Lefortovo prison on March 2, 1951) and Mikhail Kogan (died in November 1951).
      Stalin could not help but understand that the campaign against doctors with intricate surnames would inspire the latent pogromists, and the Jews, regardless of their attitude towards the medical class, would have a hard time ...

      The article sounded menacing. Pravda again reminded us that, in accordance with the teachings of Comrade Stalin, the class struggle only intensifies as we succeed in socialist construction. This means that we only dream of peace. Having unmasked the spies, Pravda also condemned the homegrown rotozey - those who had dulled their vigilance, who allowed the "killer doctors" to operate in accordance with their devilish plans ...
      Stalin personally edited this article. The original name - "Spies and killers under the guise of doctors" was changed to "Dastardly spies and killers under the guise of medical professors." The clause about professors is not accidental. The leader of the peoples understood that one should not put a stigma on all doctors, and ordinary Soviet people still rarely meet with professors ...

      Unlike the previous campaign against "cosmopolitans", in which Jews were usually implied rather than directly named, now the propaganda directly pointed to Jews.
      On February 8, Pravda published a setting feuilleton "Simpletons and Rogues", where Jews were portrayed as swindlers. Following him, the Soviet press was swept by a wave of feuilletons devoted to exposing the true or imaginary dark deeds of persons with Jewish names, patronymics and surnames. The most "famous" among them was Vasily Ardamatsky's feuilleton "Pinya from Zhmerinka", published in the magazine "Crocodile" on March 20, 1953.

      Within days of Stalin's death, Delo collapsed, and the anti-Semitic press campaign was curtailed. All those arrested in the "Doctors' Case" were released (April 3) and reinstated in their jobs.
      Already on April 4, 1953, a message from the Ministry of Internal Affairs was published in central newspapers:
      “The USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs conducted a thorough check of all materials from the preliminary investigation and other data on the case of doctors accused of sabotage, espionage and terrorist actions against active leaders of the Soviet state. As a result of the check, it was established that the involved in this case Professor M. Vovsi, Professor V. N. Vinogradov, Professor M. Kogan, B. B. Kogan, P. I. Egorov, A. I. Feldman ., professor Etinger Ya.G., professor Vasilenko V.Kh., professor Grinshtein A.M., professor Zelenin V.F., professor Preobrazhensky B.S., professor Popova N.A., professor Zakusov V.V. , professor Shereshevsky I.A., doctor Mayorov G.I. were arrested by the former USSR Ministry of State Security incorrectly, without any legal basis. "


      It was also said that the investigation obtained confessions by illegal methods. MGB Lieutenant Colonel Mikhail Ryumin, who was developing the case with particular zeal, was dismissed from the authorities and himself was under investigation. Timashuk has no awards. The scandalous case, which was just being brewed, forever passed into the field of gossip and speculation ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 18 February 2021 15: 06
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        Khrushchev began the process of rapprochement with the West, so he canceled Stalin's plan to deport the Jewish diaspora to sunny Birobidzhan.

        The top of the Jewish diaspora in the USSR was the Zionist resettlement and intelligence organization "Joint", extremely chauvinistic and Russophobic. Only one so-called. The "Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee" was worth what - its members continued to claim the existence of this organization even three years after the total defeat of fascism. After the war, the JAC clearly performed the functions of the Joint branch.

        Khrushchev's successor, Brezhnev, was forced to purge subversive Jewish elements at all levels of Soviet society, eliminating nepotism and cronyism. That does not negate the transition of the minority of Soviet Jews to the position of internationalism - Andropov, participants in the Atomic Project, etc.
  • meandr51
    meandr51 18 February 2021 10: 58
    -4
    Eh, Stalin is not on you ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 18 February 2021 11: 48
      +20
      Quote: meandr51
      Eh, Stalin is not on you ...

      laughing
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 19 February 2021 19: 13
        -1
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: meandr51
        Eh, Stalin is not on you ...

        laughing

        It's terribly annoying when Putin is introduced to the Motherland and Stalin ..
  • Vlad world
    Vlad world 18 February 2021 11: 10
    -1
    Oddly enough, all the leaders of the USSR had both suspiciousness and suspicion and a thirst for sole power. And it is not necessary to single out Stalin in these matters.
    1 The Leningrad affair is a thorough weeding of any hint of the Equality of Russians in the economic and political field of the USSR. Everything is in the spirit of the policy of Lenin Trotsky and the Party as a whole.
    2 About Zhukov. This "butcher" - the nickname of the private and junior command staff at the front - skillfully appropriated other people's achievements and was allowed to do so, sat on a big hook for the rout for 41 years. What is his direct fault as chief of the General Staff. But he jumped off and framed the others. He knew how to substitute for others. Well, he was encouraged for his loyalty to the Party. Cerberus will come in handy. In relation to the subordinates, he was paramount. About all sorts of conversations - when the Wiretap appeared. And you think that the military did not listen.
    3 About the intelligentsia. Well, it's as usual - where he eats and shits. In her spirit. Intellectuals are not concerned.
    4 About the affairs of the Jews. In tsarist Russia, 3% of the population gave 50% of revolutionaries, 100% of counterfeit drugs, 80-90% of organized crime. So Stalin worked with them and knew them. He pushed them out of the repressive organs by the year 37 (the howl is still standing), but in culture and in other things, they were pushed out weakly and without desire from the captured positions.
    Well, they wanted more, their separate kingdom in Russia. This is apart from Israel. In which Stalin invested - he was promised a further "revolution" by Israel. Well, as usual Thrown. Well, the answer began to arrive for non-compliance with the promised.
    And the howl is still standing. - and we are for what.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 18 February 2021 15: 13
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      Quote: Vlad-world
      he was promised a further "revolution" by Israel.

      Nobody promised him any Jewish revolutions in the GI. And it is difficult to find a more caricatured organization than the Communist Party of Israel.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 18 February 2021 16: 58
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        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        And it is difficult to find a more caricatured organization than the Communist Party of Israel.

        Oh, you're wasting it. It is there today practically only Arabs, and in the late 40s the Palestinian Communist Party was a very serious force in those parts. In 1948, it was renamed the Communist Party of Israel and, acting in line with the traditional pro-Soviet policy, demanded the implementation of the UN resolution on the division of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state, and of the 32 persons who signed the Declaration of Independence in May 1948, Meir Vilner was a communist. The party consisted of such impenetrable communoids that the main ideologist of the CPSU, Suslov, in comparison with them, might seem like a small child. hi
      2. Vlad world
        Vlad world 18 February 2021 20: 31
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        The brackets have been seen. By "revolution" is meant support for the USSR in whatever form they could do. Well, it was too lazy to unfold. And what is more, the Communist Party of Israel. There, more serious people were meant.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 February 2021 08: 50
          -1
          Quote: Vlad-world
          The "revolution" means

          Revolution always means revolution
          Quote: Vlad-world
          Well, it was too lazy to unfold.

          And you do not be lazy to express yourself clearly.
          Quote: Vlad-world
          There, more serious people were meant.

          Is it possible to name these people without conspiracy?
          1. Vlad world
            Vlad world 19 February 2021 13: 35
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            1 Read what the quotation marks are for.
            2 Are you Never lazy !!! Then I'm happy for you.
            3 Study the history of Israel's formation. All the undercurrents of this phenomenon. I am not interested. Just at the peak of his power, "Uncle Joe" (Stalin) simply did not give permission or consent.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 February 2021 14: 07
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              Quote: Vlad-world
              Study the history of Israel's formation.

              So use your advice before you write nonsense.
              Quote: Vlad-world
              I am not interested.

              Clearly, I won't hear the names. Expected.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 18 February 2021 11: 26
    +1
    After every meal
    Spiders in the Kremlin bank
    The main thing, Comrade Stalin -
    Close the jar tightly!

    (magazine "Red Arachnologist", 1948)
  • Laurus
    Laurus 18 February 2021 11: 34
    -7
    When they finally die out, all these "exposers" of Stalin, fed by Goebbels, Solzhenitsyn, "Memorial" and other foreign agents. Tired of my delirium.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 18 February 2021 12: 12
      +6
      Quote: Laurel
      When will they finally die out

      Soon. Together with the Stalinists. A generation has grown up that do not care about Stalin and the fuss around his name. For them, it is just a name in history, in a line of many, and not a totem pole for worship. This is our national mental deficiency - a fanatical, hysterical and revisionist attitude towards our history. And a constant desire to fix something in the past.
      1. Laurus
        Laurus 18 February 2021 13: 40
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        Slanderers and slanderers against Ivan IV have not yet died out, although how many centuries have flown by.
        And counting on the fact that such a great person as Stalin will be forgotten is completely stupid.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 18 February 2021 14: 48
          +1
          Quote: Laurel
          Slanderers and slanderers against Ivan IV have not yet died out, although how many centuries have flown by.

          So what? Momentary interest in Grozny has absolutely no effect on anything. As well as value judgments about his era. Are there idiots with posters 'Return Ivan the Terrible'?
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 18 February 2021 11: 51
    -1
    the article is full of distortion of facts, half-truths and distortions ... in general, very harmful and not deserving of serious analysis ... full of masterpiece cliches from the times of Khrushchev and the activities of various short people from the 90s
  • Shahno
    Shahno 18 February 2021 15: 27
    +3
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: tasha
    In China, for example, they shoot. But still they steal and corruption blooms

    But the country is developing!
    It cannot be said that executions motivate embezzlers to steal laughing

    They don't motivate, of course ... They just raise the price of the issue.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 18 February 2021 18: 27
    -2
    Probably, Solzhenitsyn is Apukhtin's favorite author. It really smells like "Solzhenitsynovism".
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 18 February 2021 19: 17
    -2
    Colleagues, I've had enough of Apukhtinskaya anti-Sovietism!
    I am far from being a fan of Stalin, but still I have to think about what to write about: either the author Lenin is some kind of anti-Russian maniac, then Stalin is some kind of paranoid and the whole Central Committee is a bunch of spiders in a bank.
    I WILL NOT READ MORE THIS! And I urge others: "FORGET"
    Besides Valery and Vyacheslav Olegovich, THERE IS NO ONE TO READ!
  • Unknown
    Unknown 19 February 2021 07: 59
    0
    He piled up all sorts of nonsense in the article, mixing myths and gossip rumors into a bunch. The so-called Leningrad case, everything is clear and understandable ....... "Numerous facts of illegal spending of public funds have been established": the Ministry of Finance against the Leningrad City Council

    The use of official position for personal gain became one of the charges. The verdict stated that A. A. Kuznetsov, P. S. Popkov, N. A. Voznesensky, Ya. F. Kapustin, P. G. Lazutin, M. I. Rodionov and others were an "enemy group" and conducted "Sabotage and subversive work in the party." The latter, in particular, consisted “... in the political and moral beating of honest communists in the leadership of the Leningrad organization and their removal from their posts, replacing them with politically decayed, anti-party and anti-state people in order to impose on the Leningrad organization as its leaders corrupted people - drunkards and thieves who robbed the party and the state, and make the Leningrad organization completely obedient and pleasing to them. " The verdict clearly indicated corruption ":" Kuznetsov, Popkov, Kapustin, Lazutin, Turko, Zakrzhevskaya and Mikheev plundered large state funds and used them for personal enrichment "[9. C. At the present time, robbing the state, rigging elections is in the order of things, but in those days, you can pay with your head for this. These fables, they saw how Europe lives, life there is richer, constantly endured by all kinds of liberals, etc. Tsar Nikolashka the first, they wanted to throw off, they saw how Europe lives, after the Second World War. again, the old song about what he saw tired. Well, we will not have it because there, really does not reach. During the Soviet era, too, many guys served in the GDR, and they said, damn the Germans live, and what? After demobilization, having arrived home in the village, he did not make a toilet in the hut, as he went to the courtyard in need and walks. We are different and live like Germans, Czechs, Hungarians, we will not understand how. All detractors of the Soviet regime blame her for not doing what others took centuries to do in her little twenty years.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 19 February 2021 14: 16
    0
    "The forest is being cut, the chips are flying!" This is how Stalin reasoned when he trained the repressive apparatus into groups of people of his choice.
    And if there were no such "cleansing" life would definitely be "better and more fun" hi (IMHO)
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 20 February 2021 21: 42
    -1
    Another. The hanger. Papers ...
  • hjvtp1966
    hjvtp1966 21 February 2021 09: 33
    0
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Quote: Laurel
    Slanderers and slanderers against Ivan IV have not yet died out, although how many centuries have flown by.

    So what? Momentary interest in Grozny has absolutely no effect on anything. As well as value judgments about his era. Are there idiots with posters 'Return Ivan the Terrible'?

    laughing laughing laughing good