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Le Ma: revolver with two barrels

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Le Ma: revolver with two barrels
Capsule revolver Le Ma of the first model. It is easy to recognize, since its trunk is half round, and then it is octahedral. Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be


Caliber - easy to get scared
Lose peace for good
By eye - thirteen millimeters,
More precisely - twelve and seven ...
Half an inch - make you shiver
A creature of heaven and earth,
Half an inch of everything is separated
From the death of your enemy!
Adam Lindsay Gordon

Weapon and firms. Today we will tell you the long-promised history revolver Le Ma. The revolver is very original in design and, nevertheless, would have remained, most likely, simply unnoticed, if not for the North-South civil war in the United States.

It was she who made him pay attention to him, made him popular and helped to replicate in large numbers.

During the Civil War, most of the fighting was fought at a distance of 50 to 100 yards (about 90 m), with cavalry being widely used, which had to fire at even closer range.

At the same time, the average soldier shot rather badly than well, since many of them did not even own firearms before the outbreak of hostilities. In addition, most of the soldiers had to use outdated smoothbore rifles and the same single-shot primer pistols.


Francois Alexandre Le Ma

Therefore, when Le Ma's revolver fell into the hands of such a soldier, he would tell almost legends about it. Because for him it was an extremely high level of development of military technologies.

However, judge for yourself.

The Le Ma had a .42 top barrel and a nine-round drum — larger than the Colt's more or less famous revolvers at the time. And the lower smoothbore barrel of 0,63 caliber (caliber 16), loaded with large buckshot.

The shooter chose which barrel to shoot by manually setting a rotating drummer on the trigger. The weapon itself had no effect on any battle of the conflict. But it was a powerful firearm, literally radiating confidence in its power.

At close range, he had no equal in the number of charges in the drum. Not to mention the fact that a buckshot shot from a barrel was extremely dangerous for everyone who fell under it. No wonder they called him

"Revolver with a shotgun."

And, perhaps, you cannot say more precisely.


Le Ma's patent for his revolver

About 2900 revolvers of this type were produced. And about 2500 of them were in service with the Confederate army.

Due to its high cost, it was usually not given to privates. Therefore, Le Ma, being in the hands of a general or a colonel, was usually more of a status weapon than a combat one.

It was produced in 1856-1865 in France, Belgium and England. And originally had a .42 caliber and a 20-gauge smoothbore barrel for grapeshot shooting. At the end of the Civil War, a lighter .35 or .36 caliber version with a 28 caliber buckshot barrel appeared.

It was believed that there was no point in shooting beyond 25 yards from Le Ma. However, he was preferred by the famous cavalryman JB Stewart. And he was prized by southerner generals such as Braxton Bragg, Richard H. Anderson, and Major Henry Wirtz.


Revolver of General Beauregard. Confederate Museum, Richmond, Virginia

Francois Alexandre Le Ma


Well, now let's get to know the very creator of this revolver - Mr. Francois Alexander Le Ma.

He was born in Bordeaux on April 15, 1821, at nine o'clock in the morning. And his parents Jean and Jeanne (née Pommeuse) were bakers.

François studied at the theological seminary in the same place in Bordeaux and was preparing to become a priest. But medicine interested him much more. So he ended up becoming an intern at the Saint-André hospital. In 1840, he took the Hippocratic Oath at the Faculty of Montpellier and became an assistant surgeon at a military hospital in Bordeaux. Then he retired on November 12, 1843 and went to America, to New Orleans, where he wished to study the infectious diseases common there. The young French doctor in Louisiana was not doing well. Moreover, he received permission to practice from the medical committee of New Orleans only on April 28, 1849.


General Pierre Gustave Tonand Beauregard

True, he then became the head physician of the Sagrada Familia hospice and received a rich clientele in his private practice.

And then he further consolidated his position in good Louisiana society by marrying Justine Sophie Lepretre, a native of New Orleans and grand-niece of the Marquis Sebastian Lespretre, better known as Vauban (1633-1707). Yes, the same one - Marshal of France and General Commissioner of the fortifications of King Louis XIV.

By this marriage, Le Ma also linked himself with the Beauregard family.


The trigger of the Le Ma revolver of the first model. Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Le Ma was distinguished by a penchant for invention, and in many areas. First of all, in the field of medicine, where he received a medal at the World Exhibition in London in 1862 for the surgical instrument he developed.

He also received several patents in the field of weapons, with one in 1859 for an automatic bolt for field guns.

Revolver Le Ma


But even earlier, on October 21, 1856, he received his first patent, No. 15925, for his twin-barrel revolver. And then the first European patent No. 5173 in Brussels on October 30, 1857 was for him.


The second model of the La Ma revolver, reduced caliber. The lever for tightly driving the bullet into the drum is clearly visible. The ramrod was inside the lever for tight bullet driving. Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Well, Beauregard, then a major in the US Army, decided to help a relative with his promotion in the army.

As a result, the revolver was presented to the army commission and fleet in New Orleans and she gave it a positive rating. Nevertheless, the army was in no hurry to buy it, and the partners did not have the money to produce the novelty on their own.


Disassembled revolver (2nd model). Faceted barrel. Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

In February 1861, Le Ma's cousin, who had by this time been promoted to Colonel of the US Army, attended the proclamation of the Confederate States of America with Beauregard in Montgomery, Alabama.

Taking the opportunity, he immediately signed two major contracts with the southern government for his brother: the navy ordered 3000 revolvers, and the army 5000.

By the way, on the morning of April 12, 1861, when the war began, the lighting and incendiary shells of the Le Ma system were the first to fly at the northerners. And fired from Beauregard's cannons.


The rear of the drum of Le Ma's capsule revolver. Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Appointed as an agent of the War Department, Colonel Le Ma made numerous trips to Europe, Belgium, France and England to purchase weapons and ammunition. And in addition, he placed orders for revolvers in Europe, where they were produced until 1865.


Revolver Le Ma of the third model chambered for centerfire. Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Interestingly, his revolver cost $ 35. That is, more than twice the price of the Colt (and almost three times the monthly wage of a private), which made it inaccessible to the lower ranks.

It is believed that approximately 900 revolvers were sent to the Confederate army and 600 to its navy through Bermuda to avoid a naval blockade.

It is also assumed that out of almost 2900 manufactured revolvers, 2500, despite the blockade of the Union, still ended up in the South, where they entered service with the Confederate army.

Modifications



Revolver Le Ma of the third model chambered for centerfire. The bolt device of the central barrel is clearly visible. Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

There are three known modifications of this revolver, which were then produced sequentially. The first is the traditional capsule revolver. And in it, a nine-charge drum rotated on an axis, which was used as a barrel of a larger caliber, and its ignition was also primer.


Two strikers on the trigger. Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

A hinged ramrod (mounted on the right side of the body) could be used to charge both barrels.

Later (during the American Civil War), a lighter .36 caliber version with a second .55 caliber (28 caliber) barrel was produced.

But, since at that time it was non-standard ammunition, the owners of the revolver had to cast bullets for them and glue the cartridges themselves, and not receive them from military warehouses. Which was, of course, inconvenient.

The latest Le Ma models were available in either .36 or .44 calibers. Apparently, in response to the desire to have standard ammunition for it. However, too few of them managed to overcome the blockade by the Union for them to have any real use in the army of the South.

The tactical and technical characteristics of the revolver were as follows:

Overall length: 13,25 inches (356 mm)
Barrel length: 6,75 inches
Weight (without charges): 3,1 lbs (1,41 kg)
Caliber: .36 or .44 round bullets, or 16 or 20 smooth barrel - buckshot
Ammo: .42 (.44) or .36
Rate of Fire: 9 fps / min
Bullet muzzle velocity: 620 ft (190 m / s)
Effective firing range: 40 yards (37 m)
Maximum firing range: 100 yards.


Bullet of Le Ma's revolver. Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Interestingly, General Beauregard's personal engraved revolver Le Ma, which he carried with him throughout the war, has survived to our time. And it is now in the Confederate Museum in Richmond, Virginia.


Set of two Le Ma revolvers with accessories. Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

After the advent of firearms that shoot cartridges, a model of this revolver appeared, in which cartridges were loaded into the drum. But the central barrel still had the ignition of the charge from the primer.

In later years, Belgium produced a 12 mm version chambered for Perrin or 11 mm Chamelo-Delvin and with a smooth 24 caliber barrel. This model sold better than the previous ones. However, she did not wait for real commercial success either.

Also produced was "Baby Le Ma" .32 caliber. But only 100 of them were produced.


In 1868-1871. about 200 Le Ma carbines were fired for centerfire cartridges with a hammer switch on the trigger. The caliber of the revolving barrel was .44, and the shot was chambered for the short 20-caliber cartridge. The Le Ma "Vacheri" carbine was at one time a fashionable high-class weapon. And it was not intended for mass production. Each carabiner came in a polished pecan box with an Oak Valley plantation on the lid. And it was accompanied by a certificate of authenticity signed by Le Ma himself. In addition, many owners paid lavishly for custom engraved models. Photo by Rock Island Auction Company

After the civil war, Dr. Jean François Alexandre Le Ma decided to return to his native France.

There he continued to improve the design of his revolver.

At the same time, he thought about creating a carbine on its basis, but already chambered for centerfire.

His carbines were powerful weapons. In the United States, they could not compete with the lever action rifles that became popular in the United States, or the bolt action rifles, which offered convenient reloading with much more powerful cartridges.

Nevertheless, Le Ma was engaged in military construction for a long time.

And then he also became interested in aeronautics.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 23 February 2021 04: 31
    +16
    The Le Ma revolver is simply legendary, a "favorite" among weapon collectors (the prices for original revolvers bite, on average $ 30-60 thousand), in fact, during the US Civil War, it was a source of pride and a welcome trophy. Well, the most recognizable Confederate revolver.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich - Thank you for a well-written and beautifully illustrated article hi
    Happy Friends to everyone soldier My Militarist Greetings to you and best wishes!
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 February 2021 06: 07
      +13
      The article about the legendary revolver has arrived! Thank!
      All a happy holiday !!!
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 23 February 2021 06: 33
        +7
        Vladislav hi Indeed a Legend! By the way, Le Ma is one of the sales leaders on the modern replica market, the Italian company Pietta produces Le Mat in three modifications: Cavalry Model, Navy Model, Army Model.
        Le Ma are very popular in countries where blackpowder weapons are allowed. The price for replica Le Ma revolvers made by Pietta is about $ 1. I don't even dream of buying an "original" revolver, I would be happy to own a "replica". Eh ... dreams are dreams hi
        1. Mik13
          Mik13 23 February 2021 12: 52
          +6
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Indeed a Legend!

          The revolver is presented in great detail in the feature film "The World of the Wild West"
          1. John22
            John22 23 February 2021 18: 14
            +1
            Yes, a very informative clip about Le-Ma. Thank. And the film is apparently entertaining.
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 23 February 2021 18: 17
            0
            Quote: Mik13
            The revolver is presented in great detail in the feature film "Wild West

            is this standard charging procedure?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 23 February 2021 18: 29
              0
              Quote: Flood
              is this standard charging procedure?

              Here the bearded Swede loads the capsule. Little, however, is shown.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 23 February 2021 18: 32
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Here the bearded Swede loads the capsule

                savory, tastefully removed weapons
                and the film is not bad
            2. Samoylenko Sergey
              Samoylenko Sergey April 15 2021 13: 02
              0
              No, this is not a standard procedure for charging Le-Ma's revolver. This is what the filmmakers decided to show. In the 9th photo you can clearly see how it is, in principle, charging. A large barrel like the Wendl lock, small barrels approximately like the Nagant.
          3. Samoylenko Sergey
            Samoylenko Sergey April 15 2021 12: 56
            0
            It seems that Le-Ma has a capsule, and loads with cartridges of the central battle. But like a capsule, it loads. So believe after this to filmmakers.
      2. kalibr
        23 February 2021 06: 53
        +12
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        All a happy holiday !!!

        In turn, I congratulate all VO "clients" on the holiday and wish you all health and success in their affairs.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 23 February 2021 13: 10
          +3
          Thanks for the congratulation. I, in turn, congratulate you and hope that you Le Ma is not the last highlight.
          I could not even imagine that there were such revolvers. I heard about carbines, but revolvers ... this is the first time I hear
          PS. Q. Oh, you have no case of machine guns in the "clip"? Then Kostya and I wanted to know about Madson's machine gun: whether he participated in the RYAV or did not have time
          1. kalibr
            23 February 2021 14: 13
            +2
            Quote: vladcub
            Q. Oh, you have no case of machine guns in the "clip"? Then Kostya and I wanted to know about Madson's machine gun: whether he participated in the RYAV or did not have time

            Perhaps Madsen? On VO I had a whole series of articles about machine guns of the First World War: Madsen, Salvator-Dormus, Maxim, Hotchkiss ... And also Lewis, Brno-Enfield ... We must climb up to the profile and look closer to the beginning. There, of course, 24 pages, but ... I won't say more precisely.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 23 February 2021 14: 22
              +3
              It's a pity I didn't pay attention, probably for a long time?
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 23 February 2021 18: 36
            0
            Quote: vladcub
            Then Kostya and I wanted to know about Madson's machine gun: whether he participated in the RYAV or did not have time

            there is information about this in the public domain
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 24 February 2021 15: 12
              0
              It was created before the RYAV, but was it in the Russian army in Manzhuria?
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 24 February 2021 15: 18
                0
                Quote: vladcub
                It was created before the RYAV, but was it in the Russian army in Manzhuria?

                there are some hints here that can make it easier to find information
                https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5de0eb8be1b7bd6ac9c56cf1/chertova-balalaika-kotoraia-slujit-uje-bolee-100-let-5ef4542c62346a31ca588aee
              2. Flooding
                Flooding 24 February 2021 16: 01
                0
                Quote: vladcub
                It was created before the RYAV, but was it in the Russian army in Manzhuria?

                write that the photo was taken in Manchuria
                http://rufort.info/index.php?PHPSESSID=3aedc4a764e7e08f53ae5638b0252df7&topic=419.msg37939#msg37939

                there are converse statements on Tsushima
                http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=1336526#p1336526
                1. vladcub
                  vladcub 24 February 2021 19: 36
                  +2
                  "The construction of a machine-gun factory in Kovrov" actually was not in Kovrov, but Podolsk was building a plant. Subsequently, on the basis of that plant, they launched the production of a sewing machine: "Podolsk", one of the models: "Singer".
                  It says that in the guards units, but did the guards cavalry participate in the RYAV? Ignatiev in his book "Fifty Years in the Service" wrote something like: when the war ended then the machine gun appeared.
                  However, Ignatiev, when writing the book, a little "heard the colors"
                  ,
      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 23 February 2021 08: 27
        +3
        And I, in general, first learned about this! I thought the "revolver" would start, and then there was such a miracle - Yudo!
        Vyacheslav Olegovich knows how to dig out novelty ...
        1. kalibr
          23 February 2021 09: 43
          +6
          Nazarius! The material on Nagan is, in principle, collected. But you have to sit down and write. But most likely in front of him will be a couple more materials about ... unusual.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 23 February 2021 10: 40
            0
            In! Have you already been "released"? Just in time for the holiday, with which I congratulate)) laughing
            I know from myself - once a month "imprisonment", once half a year ...
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 23 February 2021 13: 13
              +3
              In my "first life" I turned gray in "quarantine" and I don't want to
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 23 February 2021 13: 11
            +4
            Let's get more unusual
      4. vladcub
        vladcub 23 February 2021 12: 22
        +2
        Namesake, would you like to have one in your collection?
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 February 2021 12: 59
          +4
          I think no one has given up on this!
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 23 February 2021 13: 15
            +4
            "beast" is a rare fact
      5. Fat
        Fat 23 February 2021 15: 26
        +1
        Well, yes, about the Colt Revolts they found out before, an amazing machine undoubtedly ...
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 23 February 2021 20: 13
      +9
      Prices for original revolvers bite, on average, vary from $ 30 - 60 thousand
      The price is strongly influenced by the past owner of the revolver.

      This one, whose owner is unknown, costs $ 25.

      And this one, which belonged to General de Beauregard - $ 225.
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 23 February 2021 21: 12
      +2

      All Happy Holiday Soldier Friends My Militarist Greetings and Best Wishes to you!
      Mutually... hi drinks
  2. Destiny
    Destiny 23 February 2021 05: 11
    +16
    Thank you for the interesting article! Happy Holidays, everyone!
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 23 February 2021 05: 53
    +9
    Taking the opportunity, he immediately signed two major contracts with the southern government for his brother: the navy ordered 3000 revolvers, and the army 5000.

    Corruption in its purest form. smile
    Surgeon doctor and weapon inventor ... belay it is beneficial to combine the profession of a doctor with the profession of an inventor of weapons ... there will never be an end to patients from the battlefield.
    Well, of course, the revolver was just a delight for that time ... nine quickly fired bullets and buckshot in the appendage ... plus almost 1,5 kg of metal on the enemy's skull ... clients are ready to be carried to the surgeon.
    Thank you Vyacheslav for a fascinating article not only about weapons, but also about a doctor who combined the profession of a healer and a gunsmith hi .
    1. kalibr
      23 February 2021 06: 54
      +6
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Surgeon doctor and weapon inventor ...

      What is there to be surprised at? By that time he was an educated person!
      1. Mister X
        Mister X 23 February 2021 09: 11
        +6
        Quote: kalibr
        What is there to be surprised at?

        hi
        I read an amazing moment about General Beauregard.
        He greatly appreciated the Le Mat revolvers.
        Therefore, he went into battle with him in his hands,
        and eight (8) loaded revolvers he carried in a bag tied to his saddle.
        So I translated from French.
        Do you know something about this issue?
        1. kalibr
          23 February 2021 09: 44
          +5
          I don’t know anything, but I’m not surprised ... I don’t like to translate from French, as well as from German, because 100% dependence on Google oppresses ...
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 23 February 2021 16: 23
            +4
            Quote: kalibr
            I don't like to translate from French as well as from German

            I try to get the data from primary sources first.
            When I wrote about the Ichimoku Indicator, I first used Japanese materials.
            And about the frigate Mărășești - I used primarily Romanian sources.
            Quote: kalibr
            100% dependence on Google oppresses ...

            Have you tried Yandex.Translate?
            Also translates the draft completely.
            It is even built into the mail, you can scribble simple answers on the fly.
            1. kalibr
              23 February 2021 16: 38
              +2
              Quote: Mister X
              Have you tried Yandex.Translate?

              I got used to google translator. But judging by the way he translates from English and how I then have to "clean up" his translations, it is the same with German and French. But here it is more difficult for me to "clean".
              1. Mister X
                Mister X 23 February 2021 17: 07
                +2
                Quote: kalibr
                But here it is more difficult for me to "clean".

                This is a kind of content manager's job.
                I got my hands on it a long time ago, and I work in 2 stages: draft (all text) and individual words.
                The result is literary translation.
                1. kalibr
                  23 February 2021 22: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: Mister X
                  the literary translation is obtained.

                  Well, I do the same. But I don't like messing around with texts in languages ​​I don't know.
              2. Mister X
                Mister X 23 February 2021 21: 33
                +4
                Loading scheme and operation of revolver mechanisms

        2. vladcub
          vladcub 23 February 2021 13: 19
          +4
          However, the man is in hiding: "8 loaded revolvers" and each charge is in store
  4. Simargl
    Simargl 23 February 2021 07: 27
    +5
    Yeah ... the only revolver relatively available to us is the MC-255
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 23 February 2021 07: 38
      +4
      Quote: Simargl
      Yeah ... the only revolver relatively available to us is the MC-255

      By the way, it's quite good in 20 caliber. TsKIB - especially in the Soviet period, made high-quality weapons!
  5. Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 23 February 2021 07: 28
    +10
    Good morning, colleagues. Today is February 23, Defender of the Fatherland Day.
    Officers, there can be no army without you. I wish you that you only hear blank shots.
    Glory to the officer corps of the Russian army!
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 23 February 2021 08: 06
      +9
      Vera! That's even a shame, really! And we? Without us, privates and sergeants, could there be an army? recourse
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 23 February 2021 08: 10
        +3
        Sergei, to console you: "the last private and the first general are called a soldier"
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 23 February 2021 08: 20
          +8
          Nda! recourse Something tricky! I do not understand you. No.
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 23 February 2021 14: 36
            +1
            Which is simpler: a real officer or a general - a soldier of his homeland.
            It seems that Napoleon said: "a bad soldier who does not want to become a marshal"
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 23 February 2021 19: 48
              +3
              Faith! This holiday is one, one for all, all who served. It doesn't matter a soldier / sailor /, officer or general / admiral /.
            2. Undecim
              Undecim 23 February 2021 20: 58
              +3
              It seems that Napoleon said: "a bad soldier who does not want to become a marshal"
              He didn't say that.
              1. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 24 February 2021 12: 49
                +2
                Victor Nikolaevich, as a child I watched a movie and remembered this phrase. And then I did not claim that it was Napoleon
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 24 February 2021 12: 50
                  +3
                  Napoleon, but a little different.
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 24 February 2021 15: 16
                    +3
                    Napoleon, but a little different.

                    "In the knapsack of every soldier lies a field marshal's baton." Is that what he said? Or have I messed up something too? hi
                    Colleagues - a little belated, everyone - Happy Holidays! Will live! drinks
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 24 February 2021 15: 23
                      +4
                      In fact, no one knows for sure whether Napoleon said so or not. These words are attributed to Napoleon by E. Blaz in the book "Military Life in the Time of the Empire".
      2. Richard
        Richard 23 February 2021 18: 59
        +3
        Vera! That's even a shame, really! And we? Without us, privates and sergeants, could there be an army?

        As a former sergeant-conscript, as well as someone else, I felt a little offended.
        Let's listen to the classics:
        Nikolay 1:"The backbone of the Russian army is not the generals and officers, but its glorious non-commissioned officers"

        Mikhail Ivanovich Dragomirov:"When you look at soldiery as the lowest degree of great military comradeship; do not forget the holy words of Suvorov that" a soldier is a common name, famous, that both the first general and the last private are called a soldier. "

        Let's not condemn the respected Vera, she wholeheartedly wanted what was best, but she did not formulate it that way.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 23 February 2021 19: 46
          +4
          You are right Dmitry! I think that there is simply no need to divide into categories. There is one holiday for everyone, everyone who served and is serving now, for those who will serve.
          It's just that the respected Vera got it a little awkward.
          Well, it happens.
          1. Richard
            Richard 23 February 2021 19: 53
            +3
            The holiday is one for everyone, everyone who served and is serving now, for those who will serve

            Perfectly formulated. It couldn't be better.
            1. Richard
              Richard 23 February 2021 20: 00
              +3
              Lyudmila Yakovlevna spoke out remarkably on another branch - she called to remember on this day all who died defending our Motherland.
    2. kalibr
      23 February 2021 08: 26
      +6
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Glory to the officer corps of the Russian army!

      And spies, Astra! My ticket read: "use during the war years on the territory of a potential enemy."
      1. nnm
        nnm 23 February 2021 08: 42
        +6
        Colleague, the military commissar's hands need to be ripped off for such filling. That's right - put VUSovka, but indicate the letter in front of it, which will prompt the use case for knowledgeable people without attracting too much attention.
        1. kalibr
          23 February 2021 08: 47
          +5
          Well, then, probably because of this, they took him away from me.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 23 February 2021 10: 12
        +8
        Vyacheslav, hello and thank you for the story about the cannon of this outstanding bone-setter-gunsmith. good
        And about the VUS, you need to keep the immortal French tape "In the networks of espionage" on the "honorary" shelf in the bookcase, from preschool age I remember this, I'm not afraid to say, a thriller. wink

        Spies and Beauties.
        1. kalibr
          23 February 2021 10: 40
          +6
          I really like "Always Hit Fredy First!"
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 23 February 2021 10: 44
            +6
            I saw it, but I don't remember the content at all. request
        2. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 23 February 2021 14: 41
          +2
          Konstantin, what is this movie?
          1. kalibr
            23 February 2021 15: 33
            +4
            Swedish. A parody of 007, but very funny ...
            1. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 23 February 2021 15: 52
              +3
              I will look, I will see
              1. kalibr
                23 February 2021 16: 39
                +3
                Only don't watch the second episode IN ANY CASE. Only the first!
                1. Astra wild2
                  Astra wild2 23 February 2021 17: 22
                  +1
                  Second episode, dark?
                  1. kalibr
                    23 February 2021 18: 20
                    +4
                    If gloomy ... - STUPID! And the first one is a parody. But somehow ... and the second. Can't recommend a stupid movie.
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 23 February 2021 22: 20
            +4
            The film is French and was released just before the start of World War II (1938) and tells about the events of the First World War.



            Vyacheslav writes about a later, color comedy film (1965).

            1. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 24 February 2021 12: 57
              +3
              Thanks for the consultation. I don't like dark films: there is too much negativity in life to watch. And stupid: I don't want to be stupid. Whether we like it or not, films affect us
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 24 February 2021 13: 40
                +2
                In "The Networks" everything ends well, and "Freddie", although stupid, is funny.
                1. Astra wild2
                  Astra wild2 24 February 2021 13: 50
                  +3
                  Konstantin, I will ask you and Vyacheslav Olegovich about the films. You know me more
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 24 February 2021 14: 00
                    +3
                    Then watch "Chasing Two Hares" with Oleg Borisov, we review it regularly, you can quote any phrase there. Borisov played almost all the scenes podshofe, otherwise it was simply impossible. laughing
                    1. Astra wild2
                      Astra wild2 24 February 2021 17: 00
                      +1
                      Seems to be looking, something familiar
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 24 February 2021 18: 23
                        +2
                        Perhaps this shot will help you remember this excellent film, no?

                        Then ... then it is necessary, no, it is necessary!
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 24 February 2021 18: 31
                        +1
                        It's impossible to forget this film !!! good
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 24 February 2021 18: 36
                        +1
                        Greetings Konstantin! I, too, almost understood how it CAN be forgotten?!? Even if it seems. It's just the GOLDEN FOUNDATION of Soviet cinema. Confusion ... belay
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 24 February 2021 18: 45
                        +1
                        Hello, Sergey! Take it higher - this is the world Gold Fund. smile
                  2. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 24 February 2021 20: 01
                    +1
                    “I thought it would squirt your heart, otherwise your cigarette was squalling” (c).
                  3. Astra wild2
                    Astra wild2 25 February 2021 08: 13
                    0
                    I SAW.
                    - I have the honor to be recommended - Galakhvastov.
                    Someone said that there is another adaptation of this play
                  4. Phil77
                    Phil77 25 February 2021 08: 31
                    0
                    Yes, Vera, there is. In 2003, Maxim Papernik shot a musical with Pugacheva and Galkin. What happened? Well ... it's better to remain silent. And this is a classic!
                  5. Astra wild2
                    Astra wild2 25 February 2021 10: 12
                    0
                    The latest film adaptation featuring
                    I turned off Galkin. I respect Alla Borisovna, but her or his feint with Galkin I can't find a definition
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 23 February 2021 14: 39
    +2
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, for God's sake do not spread, otherwise "the enemy does not sleep"
  • Richard
    Richard 23 February 2021 19: 24
    +3
    My ticket read: "use during the war years on the territory of a potential enemy."

    use strictly before the expiration date of the packaging laughing
    It's like an anecdote about a bespectacled conscript with extremely weak eyesight, who was recognized as suitable in the military registration and enlistment office - ... exclusively for close combat laughing
    The military commissars here clearly screwed up - their business is to put only the VUS
    Happy holiday, Vyacheslav !!! drinks
    1. kalibr
      24 February 2021 11: 35
      +3
      Quote: Richard
      Happy holiday, Vyacheslav !!!

      Thank you!
  • Catfish
    Catfish 23 February 2021 09: 59
    +10
    Hmmm ... Well, congratulations - so congratulations ... laughing
    Just think for a minute what your officers will do without us, sergeants and privates. negative
    It's like if we, men, from all the variety of women, congratulated only virgins on the Eighth of March, we would laugh. laughing
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 23 February 2021 11: 03
      +6
      Let's command Friend - Friend soldier laughing
      Happy Holiday Constantine!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 23 February 2021 11: 05
        +7
        Lyosha hello and my congratulations! soldier drinks
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 23 February 2021 11: 11
      +7
      It's only in the movies that generals and marshals like to call themselves - soldiers. Like an old soldier! And in real life? Oh my God! laughing
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 23 February 2021 11: 19
        +5
        Sergei hi Happy Holidays! Marines are even more interesting laughing You can call yourself - I am an old Sailor And an old Soldier ... to choose from !!! laughing drinks Army ranks start after Senior Sailor!
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 23 February 2021 11: 30
          +5
          Happy Holidays, Alexey! There is a choice, they are sailors at sea, soldiers are already on land.
    3. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 23 February 2021 14: 51
      +4
      Konstantin, I just remembered our words; "bati": "the army is based on discipline and officers." He kept repeating this to the officers.
      And about: "congratulated so congratulated", do not consider it a work and look at my today's comments: "all those involved in the army"
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 23 February 2021 22: 24
        +4
        With all due respect to your baht, but any army is supported by non-commissioned officers, it is not for nothing that a sergeant with seniority gets more than another general in the US army.
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 24 February 2021 12: 44
          +1
          Urgently become the American army? I can not
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 24 February 2021 13: 38
            +2
            In order for the head to work normally, it does not have to be American.
            1. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 24 February 2021 13: 51
              +2
              I agree here
  • Undecim
    Undecim 23 February 2021 13: 38
    +9
    the officer corps of the Russian army
    The officer corps of the Russian army, this is about him and about all the soldiers of his country. Sergey Orlov.
    He was buried in a terrestrial ball,
    And he was only a soldier,
    In total, friends, soldiers are simple,
    Without ranks and awards.
    Him like a mausoleum of the earth -
    For a million centuries,
    And the Milky Way is dusting
    Around it from the sides.
    On the red rays the clouds are asleep,
    Metelitsy sweep,
    The thunder of heavy thunder,
    Wind take a take.
    Once upon a time the battle is over ...
    Hands of all friends
    Put a guy in the ball of the earth,
    As if in a mausoleum ...
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 23 February 2021 14: 57
      0
      Thank you for reminding me, once read
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 23 February 2021 08: 17
    +6
    Vyacheslav hi Congratulations on leaving the "bathhouse", and do not get there again hi Just like everyone else from February 23 drinks The question is, how with recoil when firing, the pistol did not fly out of hand, especially when firing buckshot? And the speed of the bullet is low, didn't they think of, for example, lengthening the barrel to increase the speed of the bullet? After all, her destructive power at a distance of 100 meters was already close to zero!
    1. kalibr
      23 February 2021 08: 27
      +5
      Quote: Thrifty
      Didn't you think of, for example, lengthening the barrel to increase the speed of the bullet?

      Think of it! Made a carbine!
  • Catfish
    Catfish 23 February 2021 10: 42
    +8
    However, he was preferred by the famous cavalryman JB Stewart.


    It became interesting, I read something about General Stewart, the head of the cavalry reconnaissance General Lee. Le Ma was not mentioned anywhere. And that's what I found, judge for yourself. On both canvases, General Stewart.




    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 23 February 2021 11: 15
      +7
      Hmm ... I had the patience to see belay I've never looked for it - I saw very little information about the effectiveness of the Shot Barrel, and in modern videos I only found the maximum firing range of 10 meters. But I found the most "expensive" Le Ma - the cost at one of the Mattress auctions - $ 145 thousand recourse a rare variant of the Baby Le Mat compact revolver.
      1. Fat
        Fat 23 February 2021 16: 44
        +2
        Twentieth caliber is generally a mockery of a shotgun. A friend has a female shotgun.
        Buckshot does not fit there roughly. Bullets,
        The author showed the option.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 23 February 2021 17: 59
          +3
          Andrey, that's completely in vain, so about 20 gauge yes Buckshot fits perfectly there ... My favorite shotgun MTs-20/105, single-barreled shotgun TsKIB. 76 cartridges (magnum) are very close to 12 gauge in terms of shot weight, and the ability to shoot a bullet is much higher. Great Weapon - I speak as Stand and Trench.
          Happy holiday drinks
          1. Fat
            Fat 23 February 2021 19: 12
            +2
            Thank you. Bro, four bullets never arguments in a drum arguments are stronger drinks
          2. Undecim
            Undecim 23 February 2021 21: 42
            +3
            Great Weapon - I speak as Stand and Trench.
            And a lot of stand shooters use 20 gauge?
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 23 February 2021 21: 49
              +4
              Quote: Undecim

              And a lot of stand shooters use 20 gauge?

              A lot, for training, of course ... the difference in the cost of the ammunition and the Big "soft" work.
              Ps specifically My shotgun was made for the Olympic Skeet Champion as a "training" shotgun, had the honor to be his student (having the same parametric data - it was perfect).
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 23 February 2021 21: 59
                +4
                I'm not a stand-up, but we had several stand-up guys in our group, we often came to them to "pamper", they came to us "for a gun." They used a gun with two pairs of barrels, 12 and 20. No one used different guns.
                1. Hunter 2
                  Hunter 2 23 February 2021 22: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: Undecim
                  They used a gun with two pairs of barrels, 12 and 20. No one used different guns.

                  Well this is frank delirium laughing Different pairs of barrels - can differ only in the drill of the barrel but not in the caliber (for a smooth cartridge) in the rifled version, variations with the caliber are possible. You are really confused something.
                  I have two pairs, a check - half and a Russian bell. I want a third pair - 20/76 and 7.62 / 54.
                  They use it all the time, Different guns. Periodically I shoot from a self-loading Benelki, MC - 8 (with two pairs).
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 23 February 2021 23: 19
                    +3
                    Different pairs of barrels - can differ only in the drill of the barrel but not in the caliber (for a smooth cartridge) in the rifled version, variations with the caliber are possible.
                    Here you are greatly mistaken.
                    Using different weapons in training and competition is not good, low class.
                    The production of shotguns with replaceable barrels dates back to the XNUMXth century. And for athletes to order such a gun is no problem.

                    Otto Reif shotgun. One block and three barrel blocks - 12, 16 and 20 gauge.
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 23 February 2021 23: 28
                      +4
                      PS So with "frank delirium" you got excited.
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 23 February 2021 23: 44
                        +4
                        PPS In the photo - Yuri Filaretovich Tsuranov.

                        On his shoulder was MTs8-03-3-E, which had three blocks of barrels, two 12 cal. and training 28 cal. At the same time, the balance of the gun with any block did not change.
                    2. Hunter 2
                      Hunter 2 24 February 2021 01: 04
                      +3
                      The fact that you have found the Otto Reif “gift” set does not in any way translate it into the category of sporting guns, it is rather an exception, the so-called weapon exotic. Yes, there are such weapons - quite rare. Now pay attention to your photo. All three blocks have different lengths and, accordingly, their mass, that is, with the installation of a different block in caliber, it changes the entire geometry of the weapon. And then what is the difference between using different-caliber blocks from using another gun? Photo of Tsuranov from MC 8, also from the same series. I have this gun (two blocks in one caliber with different drill holes). I perfectly know all its features and you are completely wrong with the statement that installing a block of a different caliber does not change its balance. This gun (Tsuranova) was made by TsKIB specialists in almost a single copy as a Gift to the athlete. The weapon geometry does not change only when replacing a Block with a Block of the same caliber of another drill.
                      Now check out the Top shotguns for stand or sporting ... what place do guns with different barrel blocks take up ??? My answer is - None! These are just funny examples of weaponry.
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 24 February 2021 08: 36
                        +4
                        Okay, let's be, as the English say, step by step.
                        At first you denied the existence of rifles with interchangeable shot barrels of different calibers.
                        Now you agree that there is, but "exotic".
                        There was no exotic in such guns, especially at the time that I was talking about, that is, the 70-80s.

                        Krieghoff Model 32 "Skeet Barrel (28, .12,20,28).
                      2. Undecim
                        Undecim 24 February 2021 08: 42
                        +3
                        Today, progress has stepped forward, so you can just buy a gun with a set of liners.

                        HA2359 Perazzi.
                      3. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 24 February 2021 11: 09
                        +3
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Today, progress has stepped forward, so you can just buy a gun with a set of liners.

                        Actually, he didn't step too much, liners (inset barrels in Russian) have existed for a long time, they are not popular with shooters, mainly in the rifled version of the liner for smooth barrels. In the USSR, inserts from PPSh tables were massively confiscated from poachers.
                      4. Undecim
                        Undecim 24 February 2021 11: 41
                        +3
                        Let's just say, the insert stem is from the USSR and the modern one is distant relatives. Therefore, I did not mean that they were recently invented, but what level they reached.
                        As far as my memory serves me, to my father's IZH-B-47, with which I also managed to hunt, a barrel under 5,6 mm was included. Somewhere by the end of the 60s, he passed it along with two TOZ-12.
                      5. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 24 February 2021 11: 50
                        +3
                        Why only from the USSR? Inserted barrels were invented long before the USSR.
                        I wrote to you about something completely different, Athletes do not use these devices ... the insert barrel also changes the Weapon !!! First of all, its mass, a completely different shot spread, when the result is obtained at the work of the subconscious and reflex memory - this is a specific minus! It's easier to "retrain" the brain to use different types of weapons. At the sight of which, respectively, a different message for the brain. Believe it or not, the loss (for various reasons) of the Athlete of faith in his weapon is one of the main indicators of a decrease in performance ... and, accordingly, the replacement of the gun and the beginning of getting used to the next one.
                      6. Undecim
                        Undecim 24 February 2021 11: 53
                        +3
                        Believe it or not, the loss (for various reasons) of the Athlete of faith in his weapon is one of the main indicators of a decrease in performance ... and, accordingly, the replacement of the gun and the beginning of getting used to the next one.
                        Why I don’t believe - I will. True, I did not reach high peaks due to laziness, I did not rise above the CCM, but I understand the meaning of the weapon for the shooter.
                      7. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 24 February 2021 12: 01
                        +3
                        Quote: Undecim

                        Why I don’t believe - I will. True, I did not reach high peaks due to laziness, I did not rise above the CCM, but I understand the meaning of the weapon for the shooter.

                        I got to the MC, even went to several International competitions ... and then the Country changed, free cartridges and plates from DOSAF stopped appearing, and the "crow's feet" were only enough for minimal shooting, and even then they stopped changing them for cartridges sad
                        So now I have to independently pay for my son's (9 years old) shooting classes, the Kid is talented, and the skills were revealed much earlier than mine.
                      8. Undecim
                        Undecim 24 February 2021 12: 26
                        +3
                        My youngest daughter also started at the age of 10 and progressed quickly, especially since the sports school is near my home and the coach is good. But as quickly it progressed, so quickly and cooled.
                      9. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 24 February 2021 12: 37
                        +3
                        So I'm trying to restrict access to Tik Toks - switching to Sports! The only son that did not support Sporting, he is calm - he liked the bullet shooting more. I use my "official" position - even though I don't pay for the shooting range, now the truth is another problem arose - cartridges, Lapua disappeared from sale due to sanctions. But with the coaches, we were lucky that I could not convey I - they inform PROFI, the Tyumen region is a base for Russian biathletes, and they are trained by real Champions - for example Albina Akhatova ZMS, Olympic Champion, 4-time World Champion, Excellent person and Teacher (TSU teacher).
                      10. Undecim
                        Undecim 24 February 2021 12: 48
                        +4
                        I'm already dealing with my grandson. Eight years.
                      11. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 24 February 2021 12: 51
                        +4
                        Well, you implement all the Settings "by tradition" laughing ... Grandparents - Revenge on Children through Grandchildren drinks
                      12. Undecim
                        Undecim 24 February 2021 12: 56
                        +2
                        Grandparents - Revenge on Children through Grandchildren
                        Why should children take revenge? And not at all. And grandchildren are a vaccine against old age.
                        Find the last poem by Leonid Filatov.
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 24 February 2021 10: 47
    +3
    Let's get back to the beginning of the conversation, The question was - do Athletes use 20 gauge, I answered - do they use it, especially in training. Then you pointed to the option "your stand-guns" use interchangeable shotguns of 12 and 20 calibers - I indicated that this is Brad (I sign these words), multi-caliber blocks - significantly change the very geometry of the weapon (weight and dimensions). There is no Sport (I emphasize Sport again) weapons with this arrangement, there is simply no elementary logic in this, that is, we were not talking about the existence of such weapons in nature, he explained that the Sane use of different blocks is only on rifled barrels. I was too lazy to write, so I just kept silent about the Different disciplines of clay pigeon shooting, I will explain - I was engaged in a trench, The weapon for the ladder is different from the weapon of the Circle, and even more so Sporting ... the stand is a very broad concept. Accordingly - keeping in shape, not preparing for serious competitions (and I stopped participating in them already for 22 years, the ladder - the beginning of my shooting career - then switched to bullet shooting, having passed the appropriate standards with One gun) - it is quite logical to use Different guns. I shoot in all bench disciplines, now mainly in compact sporting, I only compete in the competition for hunting for prize licenses.
    These shotguns (shotguns of various sizes) are Exotic. Athletes did not speak with them because of the word Completely. The photo that you are sending is a gift - exhibition - status weapon, which has nothing to do with sports.
    Krieghoff - I liked it, I even thought about purchasing a tee from this manufacturer, the weight is alas significant, so from the combined weapon I stopped at the Merkel B3 20/76 - 223. Well, for the MTs 105 / 20M - I decided to buy the barrel 20/76 - 7.62 / 54 ( TsKIB has old stocks of barrels), but due to the coronavirus, I am not able to carry out an accurate fitting of the block at the factory.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 24 February 2021 11: 50
    +3
    I indicated that this is Brad (I subscribe to these words), multi-caliber blocks - significantly change the very geometry of the weapon (weight and size).
    And if you use two different shotguns, say the Krieghoff K-80 and K-20, then the weight and dimensions will not change.
    I stopped participating in them for 22 years
    Eh, time flies, I stopped 42 years ago.
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 24 February 2021 11: 53
    +3
    I'm only well, or already 44 hi it turned out interesting "conversation" You are a very stubborn comrade! wink
  • Undecim
    Undecim 24 February 2021 11: 58
    +3
    You are a very stubborn comrade!
    It is what it is. There is such a disadvantage. Actually, what am I resting on. I am familiar with weapons, including smooth-bore weapons, and not only as a user. I worked a little more in the weapons workshop, or rather, moonlighting. Therefore, the replacement of a block of barrels with the replacement of one gun for another should not be confused.
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 24 February 2021 12: 10
    +4
    I still work, it's just that My skills in using the Phone and Tablet are an order of magnitude inferior to yours, I still haven't learned how to insert pictures and Videos, and my syllable is not so easy ... nothing, I will learn. I really want to write an article about "toy" weapons, miniatures of artillery, My Son and I are collecting soldiers - just recently we bought the first artillery battery, ordered the second and the third ... experienced it - I got back to my childhood again, an interesting topic, a lot of stories in children seemingly toys! I will ask the comrade to post a video of our first shooting.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 23 February 2021 13: 39
    +4
    Kostya, I don’t know about you, but I’m in thought: on the one hand, I’d like him to: "I’m poking around. Maybe an optical illusion" (c). If you plant buckshot at a short distance, then it will not seem a little. But on the other hand, wearing 1,5 kilos of iron, which can fail. Better for safety net, something ordinary
    1. Fat
      Fat 23 February 2021 17: 56
      +3
      No Bro, 20 and 22 are frankly not acceptable. The sophistication of the gunsmiths but only the effect is almost zero. Enough for a pigeon. There is no more on Teterka ((((((
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 23 February 2021 22: 12
      +2
      So Stewart was a cavalryman, it was not he who carried all the iron on himself, but the evoy mare carried everything together, there was at least a kilo of iron, at least ten - no difference. smile
  • Richard
    Richard 24 February 2021 01: 48
    +3
    Sea Cat (Constantine): It became interesting, I read something about General Stewart, the head of the cavalry reconnaissance General Lee. Le Ma was not mentioned anywhere

    Especially for you, Konstantin, as a weapon expert recognized at the VO:



    Personal posthumous belongings of Major General James Ewell Brown "Jeb" Stewart of the Confederate Army at the Confederate Museum in Richmond
    Google Translate: Personal belongings of Confederate Army Major General James Ewell Brown "Jeb" Stewart. Confederate Museum in Rinda

    the museum itself

    link:https://www.tripadvisor.ru/Attraction_Review-g60893-d108305-Reviews-White_House_of_the_Confederacy-Richmond_Virginia.html#photos;aggregationId=&albumid=101&filter=7
    On this page there are 414 photos from the museum. Lots of weapons. You might be curious to see this.
    Best regards
    Dmitriy
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 24 February 2021 07: 04
      +4
      Thank you, Dima, of course curious. smile
      By the way, the same Le Ma is lying next to the hat. good
  • Alien From
    Alien From 23 February 2021 10: 58
    +6
    Thanks to the respected author, the article is on fire as always! hi all a happy holiday soldier
  • Abram Ivanovich
    Abram Ivanovich 23 February 2021 11: 19
    +6
    Wildly funny mechanism, real crankpunk. Especially the third model - have not seen how to unsee now? And the bullet ... Hmm. Doctors burned with napalm in those years - both Le Ma and Gatling, beacons of humonism.
    Interestingly, no one then accidentally thought of a cool perversion ... in the sense of true bicaliberism, like Taurus Judge and Raging Judge?
  • vladcub
    vladcub 23 February 2021 12: 06
    +7
    Comrades, happy holiday for us!
    Let's live and rejoice, and there will always be a reason for joy, however, for the press too.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 23 February 2021 13: 22
    +6
    Quote: Phil77
    Nda! recourse Something tricky! I do not understand you. No.

    From the RIA Charter. In other words, that the private, that the general - all the soldiers of the Fatherland
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 23 February 2021 13: 33
      +5
      Well, yes, well, yes, only some - * gentlemen officers *, and others - * comrade soldiers *. Oh, okay! This has always been, is and will be.
      Happy Holiday Svyatoslav! All the best!
  • Undecim
    Undecim 23 February 2021 13: 46
    +4
    And the lower smoothbore barrel of 0,63 caliber (caliber 16), loaded with large buckshot.
    0,63 inches is somewhat below the 16 caliber and it makes no sense to load such a barrel with a really large buckshot, since no more than 7 pieces will fit in there. Better than average, up to 6,2 mm.
    And if the barrels are 20 or 28 caliber, then 5,25 mm.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 23 February 2021 14: 07
      +2
      Quote: Undecim
      the lower smoothbore barrel of 0,63 caliber (16 caliber), loaded with large buckshot.
      0,63 inches is somewhat below the 16 gauge and it makes no sense to load such a barrel with a really large buckshot, since no more than 7 pieces will fit in there.

      What about the "lower" barrel in caliber 0.58? They assure that there were such!
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 23 February 2021 14: 09
        +5
        0.58 is less than 0,63.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 23 February 2021 14: 52
          +1
          Quote: Undecim
          0.58 is less than 0,63.

          So what ? It can be seen, each of us about his own ...
    2. Bormanxnumx
      Bormanxnumx 23 February 2021 15: 55
      +1
      Quote: Undecim
      And the lower smoothbore barrel of 0,63 caliber (caliber 16), loaded with large buckshot.
      0,63 inches falls slightly short of 16 gauge

      0.63 "is a US 20 gauge.
    3. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 23 February 2021 18: 23
      +4
      Quote: Undecim

      And if the barrels are 20 or 28 caliber, then 5,25 mm.

      In general, there are a lot of options for shot charges, everything larger than 4 mm (fraction 1 according to our classification) is already a danger to humans. There are also a lot of options for coarse shot (buckshot), these are 5,9 mm, 6,5 mm, 7.15 mm - Perfectly placed in 20 caliber. Shot cartridges 5.9 and 6.5 - I consider it universal, they cover the entire line of game and beast (excluding the Elk and the Bear, although they can be killed if desired), a sufficient number of pellets in the cartridge, and excellent dispersion and hydrodynamic shock when using them. 8mm is the maximum diameter for use in a 20 gauge.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 23 February 2021 19: 54
        +4
        anything larger than 4 mm (fraction 1 according to our classification) is already a danger to humans
        Even bekasin is a danger to humans. It all depends on the distance.
        The minus is not mine.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 23 February 2021 14: 24
    +4
    Quote: Phil77
    Well, yes, well, yes, only some - * gentlemen officers *, and others - * comrade soldiers *. Oh, okay! This has always been, is and will be.
    Happy Holiday Svyatoslav! All the best!

    Don't argue with that
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 23 February 2021 14: 41
    +4
    Somehow. about "modifications" is not quite correctly said ... "modifications" were "full" (the trigger "bent" at a different angle - here's the "modification" for you!); and there are three "models" (varieties, type ...): 1. capsule "muzzle-loading"; 2. hairpin "breech-loading"; 3. central ignition breech-loading ... Yes ... for a long time the central ("lower") shot barrel was loaded from the muzzle and was primer, even in the hairpin and "centro-capsule" Le Ma ... but not "forever"! Finally, Le Ma revolvers with breech-loading hairpin and center-firing "shotguns" appeared! It should be noted that Le Ma's "clones" were also produced by "third-party" workshops! Once I met the statement that Le Ma revolving carbines with 2 rifled barrels were produced! (I did not find confirmation of this ... perhaps a "mistake"!)


  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 23 February 2021 14: 53
    +2
    Nu shto tut skazat.
    Ochen interesniy personazh, dazhe tyanet na renesanciu.
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 24 February 2021 00: 17
    +2
    Great article! Just an ode to beautiful weapons.
  • Dimide
    Dimide 25 February 2021 16: 10
    -1
    One way to leave your name in history is to invent weapons.
    Respect to the author and commentators!
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 4 May 2021 18: 04
    0
    He was an interesting guy, he did not suffer from the absence of a brain.