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Speed ​​and pressure: the first high-speed tanks in battle

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Tank Mk A "Caesar II" in the tank museum in Bovington. Also, in its own way, a hero tank, but still not as famous as the "Music Box"


First english Tanks were still rather slow. It was obvious that they needed a faster tank. And such a tank appeared soon!

“And another horse came out, a red one; and it was given to him who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and to kill one another; and a great sword was given to him. "
(Revelation of John the Divine 6: 3,4)

Tanks of the world. The British noticed that the Mk IV tanks in the battle of Cambrai were too fast for the infantry accompanying them, but not fast enough to interact with the cavalry. For this, another tank was needed. It was then that it turned out that they already have such a tank. Tank "Whippet" ("Greyhound") or Mk A was ready in December 1916, successfully passed all tests in February 1917, then in June an order was issued for 200 vehicles, and in March the first tanks were ready. It is clear that they did not get into the army right away. Then it took some time to train their crews, in a word, it took time to accumulate a certain number of fully combat-ready vehicles.


Speed ​​and pressure: the first high-speed tanks in battle
Interesting pencil drawings of the Whippet tank, made during its tests, have come down to us. Imperial War Museum, London

The tank had many innovations. First, it had not one, but two engines, each of which set its own track in motion. The control was carried out by an ordinary car steering wheel by changing the rotation speed of one track in relation to the other. But for tight turns, the braking mechanism could be used. True, the suspension was still stiff, the reliability of the track chains was low, which limited the tank's tactical mobility. But its speed was 12 km / h with an armor thickness of 12 mm. Due to the fundamentally different shape of the tracks, the Whippet could not overcome anti-tank ditches, but these tanks were no longer assigned such a task. The first to attack were Mk IV tanks with fascines on their roofs. They had to fill up the ditches, after which the "Whippets" were able to get ahead and go into the rear of the enemy.


Another drawing in this series. Imperial War Museum, London

Interestingly, the tank was originally supposed to have a rotating turret with one machine gun. But for some reason, it was not possible to create such a tower that was perfect enough, for some reason they did not put the tower on the tank from armored vehicles. And since the car was required urgently, instead of the tower, they put a wheelhouse for three people, which was armed with three Hotchkiss machine guns, which had a 360-degree shelling. It is believed that the design of the tank was primitive, but it coped well with the tasks assigned to it. Perhaps the best example of the effective "work" of the Whippet tanks can be considered the raid of an English tank of this type called the "Music Box" (literal translation or "Music Box" - a variant of a literary translation).


This was supposed to be Mk A initially, but did not!

He went into battle on August 8, 1918, on the very first day of the famous battle of Amiens, called the "Black Day of the German Army." For 10 hours, this tank was in the rear of the German troops and inflicted significant damage to them in manpower, not to mention the panic it sowed. This tank was listed in company B of the 6th tank battalion. The tank was commanded by Lieutenant Arnold, in addition to whom the crew included two more tankmen: Private Ribbans (shooter) and Carney (driver).


And this is a photo of a production car.

Now let's get to know history tank "Music box". It began on the morning of August 8, 1918 at 4:20 am - hour "X", when British troops, tanks and infantry headed towards the town of Willers-Bretonne. According to the memoirs of Lieutenant Arnold, his tank crossed the railway and passed through the lines of the Australian infantry, moving under the cover of heavy tanks Mk V.


Tank models from the First World War were not as popular as they are now. But today they are produced by many companies on a wide variety of scales. And some collect them and paint them to order. Today we will just take a look at the model of the Whippet tank made by the D63 studio. As you can see, the model looks very impressive in the photo, exactly as the models of armored vehicles should be made. Traces of exploitation, dirt and soot are visible on it - in a word, this is a small artistic "picture". But, in my opinion, the modeler, the barbed wire is a little out of scale ...

But soon Arnold was alone in his tank. The fact is that right in front of the British vehicles was a battery of German field guns, which opened devastating fire on the tanks. True, there were only four of these guns, but since their rate of fire was very high, they sent shells one after the other and with such high accuracy that both Mk V tanks, marching next to Arnold's tank, were knocked out. But Arnold did not lose his head, turned sharply to the left, developed maximum speed and went to the battery, moving diagonally to shoot at it from two machine guns at once. The distance to it was about 600 yards, but, apparently, the Germans had no experience of shooting at such a fast moving target, so they never hit his tank. Meanwhile, the "Music Box" reached a group of trees and, standing behind them, became invulnerable to the fire of this ill-fated battery. Then he flanked her and attacked from the rear.


Tank Mk A passes along the street of an English city

It looks like he managed to catch the Germans by surprise, because they did not have time to deploy their guns. They did not even have time to hide, when an English tank appeared in their rear, Ribbans and Arnold shot them with their machine guns. Having destroyed the battery, Arnold's tank moved on, and the Australian infantry went forward and took up a position 400 yards in front of the shot battery. It was possible, probably, to go further, but something apparently prevented them. The main thing is that no one fired at the infantry anymore.


A feature of the tank was its coloring - large red and white cockades for identification from the ground and from the air, and the whimsical outlines of the conning tower. The commander - he is the shooter, was in the ledge in front, but the driver was to his right, and the commander could always hit him on the shoulder and indicate the direction of movement. A hatch was provided over the commander's seat. The third member of the crew - a shooter, served two machine guns at once - on the left and right in turn. Whippet tank model made by D63

Arnold got out of the tank and turned to the Australian lieutenant, they say, does he want any more help? But in war as in war, and just at the moment of this conversation, a stray bullet hit the Australian in the shoulder. Arnold quickly climbed back into the tank and moved further towards the German positions. In a narrow hollow, an ammunition depot was marked on his map (apparently, aerial reconnaissance tried), and there really were a lot of boxes and people. He and the shooter opened fire on them, and then stopped at the edge of the ravine, and Ribbans went to count the dead and counted about 60 people!


The tank had no fenders. They were replaced by tarpaulins, but it's hard to say how useful they were. Whippet tank model made by D63

Then there was another German trench ahead, and Arnold's tank moved along it, firing from a distance of 200 to 600 yards. Noting in the combat log that the enemy had suffered losses, the tank commander decided to move on.


Size comparison: British tank Mk IV on the left and Mk A on the right

He noticed that the English cavalry patrol was leaving, that is, there were only Germans further, but decided to continue moving. At the same time, his tank was constantly fired upon from rifles, bullets clicked on the armor like hail, but it was not pierced. But what turned out to be bad: it occurred to someone to hang cans of gasoline on the tank. In reserve. As if this man did not understand that in battle they would certainly be pierced by bullets, and gasoline would flow out of the canisters. And so it happened. Gasoline from the punctured canisters flowed, began to evaporate and ... it made staying in the tank just disgusting. The tankers had to put on gas masks, the cartridges of which had a duration of about 10 hours.


One of the advantages of the Whippet tank was the rear door, which saved many lives!

Whatever it was, but even in gas masks, Arnold's tankers were eager to continue the battle and drove on. Then they saw a large airfield with cars standing on it and began to shoot at them, and then they noticed a balloon in the sky, in the basket of which there were two observers. Then the British fired at him. He was blown away, the basket with the observers fell to the ground from a great height and, of course, both of them crashed. Having thus deprived the Germans of aerial reconnaissance, the "Music Box" continued to move ...


The tank had four ball mounts, but three machine guns, one of which, if necessary, could be inserted into the rear door mount. Some people ask the question: was it possible to fire simultaneously from two machine guns simultaneously? Thanks to the special shape of the felling, you can. And Lieutenant Arnold writes more than once in his memoirs that he and his shooter fired such a fire every now and then. By the way, the wooden parts between the tracks are removable lugs on the tracks to increase cross-country ability. Whippet tank model made by D63

There was a road nearby, and a truck was moving along it, which the tank shot. Then a railway appeared, and on it there was a train into which the German infantry was loaded. The tank approached him at a distance of 400 to 500 yards and began firing, causing significant damage. Panic broke out, the soldiers ran to hide in the fields. Meanwhile, the British tank continued to move, periodically opening fire on the retreating German troops, as well as on cars and horse-drawn vehicles moving along the highway.


The "Hotchkiss" machine gun has proven itself very well as a tank gun!

There were many troops here, so the tank was heavily shelled. The Germans managed to damage the ball mount of one of the machine guns. But it should be noted that for a nine-hour stay under enemy fire, such damage could not be considered as serious. But the lieutenant had clearly forgotten that it was not necessary to test fate for too long - the gasoline flowing from the punctured canisters finally caught fire. Driver Carney tried to turn the burning tank against the wind, but then two German shells hit him one after the other.

It was good that the fighting compartment of the tank was in the stern, and a rather large door led out of it. First, Carney and Ribbans got out of the tank, but immediately collapsed to the ground, and Arnold had to drag them away from the tank, because a trickle of burning gasoline streamed in their direction. Fortunately, the fresh air had a life-giving effect on them, and they were able to get up and ran away from the tank, but just at that moment Carney received a fatal bullet in the stomach.

Then the Germans began to run up to the tankers with rifles with bayonets attached. Arnold grabbed one of them and received a wound in the forearm. Then he was hit on the head with a rifle butt, and he fell, and the German soldiers gathered around him, as Arnold later recalled:

"Everyone who could get to me tried to hit me."

But still, no one pinned him with a bayonet, and for this it was necessary to give them their due. In addition, his clothes, soaked in gasoline, were still smoldering on him, so these blows were even useful, since they finally knocked out the fire from him.


Lieutenant Arnold in German captivity. He looked good there, didn't he?

Arnold was led past the field kitchen, and then he showed by signs that he was hungry. And no wonder, since he hasn't eaten in 10 hours. When questioned by a senior officer, Arnold replied:

" - I dont know.
“You mean you don’t know, or you won’t tell me?”
- As you want, understand it! "

For this, the officer punched him in the face and left. However, they fed Arnold, bandaged his wounds and again began to interrogate - he again did not say anything, then he was locked in a room without a window for five days, and was given only a little bread and soup. Arnold said that he would report how he was interrogated by the officer, senior in rank - for some reason this threat made a truly terrible impression on the German. He immediately stopped tormenting him and sent him to a prisoner of war camp, where he met his brother, who had been captured before Arnold, and then, in January 1919, in a repatriate camp - the surviving rifleman Ribbans.

After the war, it was calculated that the "Music Box" was in a combat situation from 4:20 in the morning until 15:30 in the afternoon. Well, as for the losses that this tank inflicted on the enemy, it turned out that a whole infantry brigade could inflict them on the Beauches ... having lost up to half of its personnel!


Distinguished Service Order

Lieutenant Arnold was awarded the Distinguished Service Order on his return to England in 1919. And usually to get it, you had to have the rank of major and above. It was given to junior officers only in the most exceptional cases. This time it was just such a case!


After the end of the war, to whom only the British did not transfer and did not sell their tanks, starting from our White Guards and ending with the overseas Japanese. In this photo, the Mk A tank, for example, belongs to them!

Literature Used: "Battle Tanks - A Story of the Royal Armored Corps in Action 1916-1919", 1929 publication edited by G. Murray Wilson.

PS The author and the site administration would like to thank the D63 studio for permission to use the photographs of the model of the Whippet tank they made.
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  1. Cowbra
    Cowbra 20 February 2021 05: 58
    +10
    To be honest, whenever I come across a description of a feat. and this is really a feat ... I remember that, after all, Greyhound is a tankette, and I remember how the Italian tankettes in Africa, armed with spears and arrows, were successfully destroyed by savages. Throwing smoldering grass - nicherta is not visible, it is also impossible to breathe, so we climbed pasta into the fresh air. And the Germans could do nothing for 10 hours with one such tankette
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 20 February 2021 06: 38
      +13
      Agree hi The crew showed themselves very worthy, and therefore this episode comes to mind after more than a hundred years! Life is finite, Glory is Immortal (s).
      Vyacheslav Olegovich deserved Respect for the continuation of the "Tank" Series of articles good ! Best wishes to the "banned author" laughing , return to "freedom" and early participation in discussions of copyright articles. Feedback from your readers - Shpakovsky's corporate identity hi
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 20 February 2021 09: 23
        +7
        I agree on all points. But I would like to develop the idea a little: "the crew has shown themselves worthy" high professionalism and "teamwork" of the crew. All the same, 10 hours of continuous march and battle is not for everyone on the shoulder
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 February 2021 06: 50
      +10
      The greyhound had one very big drawback - the lack of a rotating turret. The rest is all secondary.
      Vyacheslav Olegovich thanks for the continuation of the tank theme!
      Question to the members of the forum, does anyone know how many Taylors (greyhounds) were in service with the Red Army following the results of the Civil War?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 20 February 2021 09: 30
        +9
        The greyhound had one very big drawback - the lack of a rotating turret.
        The initial version of the tank, which was called
        The Tritton Chaser just had a revolving turret.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 11: 04
          +4
          Quote: Undecim
          The original version of the tank had a rotating turret.

          But this is also mentioned in the article ... and there is such infa on the Internet!
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 20 February 2021 11: 29
            +7
            But this is also mentioned in the article ... and there is such infa on the Internet!
            I liked the photo.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 11: 46
              +5
              Quote: Undecim
              I liked the photo

              Photo ... yes! Cool! good I came across a much worse quality!
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 20 February 2021 11: 57
                +5
                In addition, it clearly shows the nickname of the Tritton Chaser tank - Whippet, written on the armor, which later became its official name.
        2. yehat2
          yehat2 20 February 2021 11: 58
          +5
          well, 3 machine guns covered almost 360 degrees
          so they didn't really suffer from the lack of a tower
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 February 2021 16: 00
            +2
            Quote: yehat2
            well, 3 machine guns covered almost 360 degrees
            so they didn't really suffer from the lack of a tower

            And if without a syllabic declension. In ball mounts, Borzoi machine guns had the ability to fire horizontally 70 degrees each. Thus, 70 is multiplied by three machine guns, receiving 210 degrees. 210 is far from the 360 ​​that a rotating tower would give.
            In addition, fire on the move and simultaneous aimed firing from two machine guns was rather difficult. The crew members banal interfered with each other.
            Regards, Kote!
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 20 February 2021 16: 15
              +2
              yes, it is, but everything was not so sad that there was no way without a tower.
              however, one must note the fact that then the impudent avoided the installation of machine guns in every possible way without equipment for convenient guidance. Unlike the French, the USA or the USSR, to whom course or very limited machine guns were directly smeared with honey.
            2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 17: 21
              +3
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              Thus, 70 is multiplied by three machine guns, receiving 210 degrees. 210 is far from 360,

              Not certainly in that way. In addition to the three installed machine guns, the ammunition also included a fourth reserve, which could be installed in a ball mount in the door and serve as a stern machine gun. So yes, technically 360 °)
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 February 2021 19: 04
                +2
                No Bro, not like that!
                210 degrees plus 60 degrees at the aft door equals 270 degrees. To receive shelling in a circle, you need to maneuver the body of the machine.
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 21: 15
                  +1
                  Well, in general, yes. In addition, due to the tightness of one shooter, as you know, they threw out, and it is difficult to maintain four machine guns together.
                2. aglet
                  aglet 21 February 2021 08: 58
                  +1
                  "No Bro, not like that!
                  210 degrees plus 60 degrees at the aft door equals 270 degrees. To receive shelling in a circle, you need to maneuver the car body "
                  but you must? completely surrounded, tanks fight very rarely, and very shortly
                  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                    Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 February 2021 10: 45
                    +2
                    Maneuvering fire when moving is much more preferable than running from one ball mount to another. By the way, the volume of the cabin was still small and it did not allow aimed fire from nearby machine guns.
                    The comrades not in vain noted that Arnold took only one machine gunner instead of two into his "music box".
                    However, the concept of a trench tank had its continuation - these are the English "Mediums" and "Viscars 6 tons". The first had from 4 to 6 machine guns sticking out in different directions, and the second had two turret layout. Domestic "deja vu" - T-26! However, even in the more spacious TG, the onboard machine guns interfered with the crew more.
                    By the way, the only tank battle, where Greyhounds appeared, ended not in their favor due to the low awareness of the crews. The only German tank, using the fog, while in a dark sector, shot four Mk.A out of seven.
                    All tankettes, from Italian and Polish to our T-27 and Komsomolets tugs, turned out to be similarly flawed. Unable to maneuver with fire, they suffered heavy losses.
                    Italians, the Africans corny deduced history by sticking wooden spears into the chassis. Then they threw it in hay and firewood and set it on fire.
                    1. aglet
                      aglet 22 February 2021 08: 08
                      +1
                      "Komsomolets tugs"
                      AT 20 "Komsomolets", was conceived as an artillery tractor, the fact that it was used for other purposes is not his fault. and tankettes were also conceived for reconnaissance and communications, but they were used as needed, including instead (and together) with tanks. and, for example, the Vickers Carden-Loyd Mk.VI, found its niche, and was successfully used as a small armored personnel carrier, although it carried guns
                      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                        Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 February 2021 11: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: aglet
                        Vickers Carden-Loyd Mk.VI, found its niche, and was successfully used as a small armored vehicle

                        I am writing about this, that he could not prove himself as a wedge, as well as the T-27, TKS and TK-3 made on its basis.
                        For small armored personnel carriers, the Viscars were definitely worse than the Komsomolets, as well as the anti-tank artillery towers.
                        Although the Komsomolets itself appeared as an anti-tank self-propelled 57mm gun. However, we also used the T-60 with the T-70 for towing artillery.
                      2. Samoylenko Sergey
                        Samoylenko Sergey April 5 2021 20: 16
                        0
                        Why do you have "Whiskars" and not "Vickers"? The combination of "C" and "K" in English reads like a stressed "K". Double "K".
          2. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 20 February 2021 20: 58
            +1
            You forgot about the fourth.
            The tank had four ball mounts, but three machine guns, one of which, if necessary, could be inserted into the rear door mount.
          3. ecolog
            ecolog 20 February 2021 22: 06
            +3
            The tower is of course preferable. Here the lack of anti-tank weapons by the Germans played for the tankers. Plus, they rolled around the rear and the surprise effect was an added bonus. I wonder what ammunition was in the tank. All the same, 3 machine guns are rather gluttonous.
      2. Richard
        Richard 20 February 2021 16: 28
        +5
        Good afternoon, Victor Nikolaevich hi
        After a 1-hour raid of the music box "Whippet" seemed very successful to the British, as it was able to break away from his infantry and operate in the operational rear of the enemy. Therefore, the command of the British tank forces, confident that the war would continue in 1919, decided to engage in mass production of medium-sized vehicles. J. Fuller, the head of the Royal Tank Corps, and later a general and a well-known theoretician of tank warfare, stood up especially for them. As a result of the efforts of the designers, the Mk.B and Mk.C Hornet (Bumblebee) tanks were produced, which differed from their predecessor in that they were very similar to the earlier British heavy tanks.
        1. Richard
          Richard 20 February 2021 16: 29
          +5
          Mk.C, thanks to the presence of a 150-horsepower engine, developed a speed of 13 km / h, but in general it had no advantages over Mk.A. The project of this tank with a 57-mm gun and three machine guns remained unfulfilled, although it was this tank, in fact, that was the machine that the British military demanded from the engineers at the very beginning of the war. Its dimensions, it only slightly exceeded the Mk in height, but structurally it was simpler and cheaper and, most interestingly, it had one cannon, not two. With the casemate arrangement of the 57-mm gun on the Mk.C tank, its barrel would not have to be shortened, which means that it would deliberately damage good naval guns. There was only one step from the casemate to the turning tower, so if the British decided on such a development, they could very quickly get a completely modern tank, even by today's standards. However, with a casemate arrangement of the gun in the wheelhouse, this tank had a large depression angle of the gun, which was important in order to fire at targets in the trenches directly in front of the tank, and along the horizon it could fire 40 ° to the left and 30 ° to the right of the center that at that time it was quite enough.
          But the British made very few of these tanks: 45 MK B (out of 450 ordered) and 36 MK C (out of 200), which were released after the signing of the armistice on November 11, 1918.
          1. Richard
            Richard 20 February 2021 16: 37
            +4
            Realizing that the Mk.A was not entirely satisfactory to the British Army, Lieutenant Engineer Walter G. Wilson (who two years earlier, together with Tritton, had developed the world's first mass-produced heavy tank Mk.I) proposed an alternative project. In his opinion, the medium tank should have had the speed qualities of the Mk.A and the terrain maneuverability of the "diamond-shaped" tanks. It was decided to combine all these qualities in a model called the Medium Tank Mark B (Mk.B).
            The Mk.B prototype was completed in September 1918. The tank was assembled by the Tritton Metropolitan Carriage and Waggon Company - despite some competition, the delays in the assembly of the vehicle were minimal. Outwardly, the Mk.B tank was quite reminiscent of the Mk.V * with an elongated hull, but had smaller geometric dimensions.
            Without waiting for the prototype to be built, the British War Department ordered the construction of 450 Mk.B medium tanks, and this figure was soon increased to 700 units. The production of tanks was planned to be organized at the North British Locomotive in Glasgow, Coventry Ordnance Works and the Patent Shaft and Axletree Company. Strange as it may seem, the serial designation of this vehicle was supposed to be the Mk.A "Whippet". Probably, in this way the British tried to preserve the continuity of these completely different designs.
            Despite the rapid deployment of mass production, none of the Mk.B took part in the 1st World War.
          2. Richard
            Richard 20 February 2021 16: 42
            +4
            MK-S with 57mm cannon armament
            1. Richard
              Richard 20 February 2021 16: 46
              +4
              Medium Tank Mark B

              Combat weight: 18 t
              Crew: 4 people
              Manufacturer: Gb.png UK
              Issued: 45 - 103 pcs.
              Years of operation: 1918 - 1930
              Body length: 6 mm
              Case width: 2 mm
              Height: 2 600 mm
              Armor Type: Rolled Steel
              Machine guns: 4-7 × 7,7mm Hotchkiss Mk.I machine guns in superstructure and onboard sponsons
              Engine type: Ricardo, carburetor, 6-cylinder, 150 hp;
              fuel tank volume - 320 liters
              Highway speed: 10 km / h
              Pendant Type:
              Tough
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 21: 18
          +2
          Quote: Richard
          Hornet (Bumblebee),

          I would say 'hornet'.
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 09: 38
      +5
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      how many Taylors (greyhounds) were in service with the Red Army at the end of the Civil War?

      Somewhere I have met such numbers! That is, how many tanks were in service with the Red Army after the Civil War and the number by type ... But, alas, then I did not attach importance to this (attention) and I do not remember what kind of article it was ... But. given the fact that there is such an article, you can search the internet ...
    4. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 10: 13
      +4
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      how many Taylors (greyhounds) were in service with the Red Army at the end of the Civil War?

      I managed to find something in my "archive" ... 12 pieces ... recourse
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 February 2021 16: 00
        +3
        Thank you Nikolaevich!
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 20: 15
          +1
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Thank you Nikolaevich!

          Yes, not at all! I provided data from one article, but other data from another have already appeared on today's page ... You need to check-recheck! request
    5. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 20 February 2021 10: 59
      +6
      I agree. With a turret, he would be a real tank. Practically, the prototype of the "merkava")))
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 February 2021 15: 51
        +4
        Well, perhaps the First Matilda!
    6. BAI
      BAI 20 February 2021 14: 31
      +3
      how many Taylors (greyhounds) were in service with the Red Army at the end of the Civil War?

      According to Svirin - 6.
      The heavy flotilla consisted of four divisions of four of the same type Mk V "Ricardo" heavy tanks, while the light flotilla consisted of three divisions: a light maneuverable division (its name is also found "cruising division"), consisting of six tanks of type "C" (Mk A. "Taylor"), a light fighter battalion of six Renault tanks with cannon armament and a small tank battalion. containing six Renault tanks with machine-gun armament.

      M. Svirin Tank Power of the USSR Part I Overture
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 19: 10
        +1
        Quote: BAI
        According to Svirin - 6.

        Anything can be! I came across an article with the statement that 12! request
        1. BAI
          BAI 20 February 2021 20: 14
          +1
          There were only 17 of them in Russia. 12 - too large percentage of survivors and serviceable.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 20: 59
            +1
            Quote: BAI
            There were only 17 of them in Russia. 12 - too large percentage of survivors and serviceable.

            Only 17 in Russia? And "burnt" and drowned, so that the red would not get it?
            And what do you say about such infe?
            According to the "Certificate on the presence of tanks of old systems", on January 30, 1931, the Red Army had the following number of vehicles during the Civil War:




            Ricardo:




            1. A separate training tank regiment - 12 pcs.




            2. Warehouse No. 37–28 (of which 6 are on the move).




            3. Armored command courses - 1 pc.




            4. Military Technical Academy - 1 pc.




            5. Oryol tank school - 1 pc.




            6. Scientific testing ground - 1 pc.




            Total 44 pcs. (9 of them were removed from service by the RVS Decree).




            Note. From the number of "Ricardo" in the warehouse, it is necessary to issue 5 pieces. polygons and parts.




            Taylor:




            1. Warehouse No. 37 - 8 pcs.




            2. Military Technical Academy - 1 pc.




            3. Oryol tank school - 1 pc.




            4. Armored command courses - 1 pc.




            5. 11th Air Brigade - 1 pc.




            (((A total of 12 pieces (removed from service) ...)))





            Note. From the number of "Taylor" in the warehouse number 37 must be given 8 pieces. polygons and parts.




            Renault -Russian:




            1. Armored command courses - 1 pc.




            2. Civil universities - 9 pcs.




            3nd tank regiment - 2 pc.




            4. Military Technical Academy - 2 pc.




            5. Oryol tank school - 1 pc.




            6. VEO CLPS. - 1 PC.




            Total 15 pcs. (removed from service).




            Renault - French:




            1. Civil universities - 1 pcs.




            2. Oryol tank school - 1 pc.




            3. Osoaviakhim - 5 pcs.




            4. 11th Air Brigade - 1 pc.




            5. Scientific testing ground - 1 pc.




            6. Warehouse No. 37 - 3 pcs. (one of them is for training command personnel).




            Total 13 pcs. (removed from service).




            Note. Of 3 pcs. "Renault" - French, in stock, must be issued to landfills and parts - 2 pcs. "
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 21: 27
              +1
              PS "Tanks in the Civil War": Appendix 4

              List of side numbers of British tanks used during the Russian Civil War and captured by the Red Army in 1919-1921.

              MK-V: 9003, 9007, 9020, 9024, 9028, 9033, 9034, 9038, 9040, 9050, 9056, 9066, 9074, 9075, 9079, 9085 [2], 9113, 9118, 9122, 9137, 9139, 9141 , 9146 [3], 9148, 9152, 9153, 9159, 9185, 9186, 9192, 9195, 9199, 9274, 9275, 9277, 9293, 9300, 9301, 9302, 9303, 9324, 9330 [4], 9335, 9336 , 9340, 9344, 9353, 9358, 9373, 9374, 9376, 9381, 9386, 9387, 9416, 9417, 9418, 9431, 9436.

              MK-A: 242, 261, 268, 283, 288, 294, 315, 323, 326, 328, 245, 346, 356, 358, 360, 371, 388.

              MK-B: 1613 [5]
              Count MK-A by numbers! These are just trophies!
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 21 February 2021 13: 28
        0
        "Svirin:" tank power "my son only Kolomiytsa recognizes and a couple of translations, and he does not recognize the rest.
        1. Fat
          Fat 21 February 2021 15: 30
          0
          To, Olegvich and his comrade, a recognized artist of the War machines. They'll put it on the rails quickly.
          I'm kidding, of course. In fact, while gasoline, the solarium will not smell and will be an expert - an authority for a handful of people
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 21 February 2021 21: 07
            0
            Here you are, as they say: "past the cash desk", he is a cadet of an armored school
            1. Fat
              Fat 21 February 2021 22: 32
              0
              No, Vera, he is a builder, very successful. She still works and manages in the editorial office of a prominent magazine.
              1. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 22 February 2021 07: 48
                0
                I'm talking about my son
    7. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 21: 37
      +1
      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

      how many Taylors (greyhounds) were in service with the Red Army at the end of the Civil War?

      According to the "Certificate of the presence of tanks of old systems", on January 30, 1931, the Red Army had the following number of vehicles during the Civil War: "Taylor":

      1. Warehouse No. 37 - 8 pcs.

      2. Military Technical Academy - 1 pc.

      3. Oryol tank school - 1 pc.

      4. Armored command courses - 1 pc.

      5. 11th Air Brigade - 1 pc.

      Total 12 pcs. (removed from service).
  2. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 10: 48
    +6
    "Greyhound is a wedge heel"? belay Wow, a 14 ton wedge! Moreover, the name "medium" was finally established for "Whippet"! stop
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 20 February 2021 12: 00
      +5
      and armor of 12 mm is already very decent for that time.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 13: 18
        +3
        Quote: yehat2
        and armor of 12 mm is already very decent for that time

        The frontal armor, in my opinion, was up to 14 mm, even ...
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 20 February 2021 13: 52
          +4
          yes there the engine itself added armor in general, easily up to 30mm.
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 February 2021 16: 08
      +3
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      "Greyhound is a wedge heel"? belay Wow, a 14 ton wedge! Moreover, the name "medium" was finally established for "Whippet"! stop

      English tank industry is difficult to qualify and systematize! If we consider everything with machine-gun armament as a wedge, what are we going to do with the “female” Mk 1-5. If we play from the tower, where do we attach the Greyhound? Before World War II, the British fired Matilda, who, with anti-cannon armor, had one rifle-caliber machine gun in the turret!
      Surprisingly, along with France, they were the trendsetters of tank fashion for a long time! One concept of infantry and cavalry tanks was worth what !!!
      Although at the same time Valentine is handsome!
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 19: 08
        +2
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        English tank industry is difficult to qualify and systematize!

        Duc, who prefers beer, and someone kvass ... someone loves Krakow sausage, and someone pork cartilage! The German "Panther" is a heavy tank by weight (this is in Soviet style ...), but for a German it is a medium (!), Because the caliber of the gun is 75 mm!
  • kuzimka
    kuzimka 20 February 2021 06: 09
    +16
    Many thanks to the author for the interesting article. It is always great to read about technology and its combat use, but if it is also such outstanding actions of tankers, it is doubly pleasant. A very good example of an article for VO. Thanks again.
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 20 February 2021 08: 20
      +13
      Yes, an interesting article, I knew nothing about this feat, thanks to the author!
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 February 2021 09: 24
        +10
        Well, what do we expect from the author of the description of tank duels of the First World War! good
        1. Fat
          Fat 20 February 2021 11: 28
          +4
          What happened? So that armor with armor, gasoline stench, soot and fumes ...
          Until you noted, it was even difficult to imagine.
          Then - we are waiting.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 February 2021 16: 10
            +4
            Historians single out two whole tank battles! I will not anticipate Vyacheslav Olegovich.
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 12: 14
          +4
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          descriptions of tank duels of the First World War!

          Oh, the battle at Villers-Bretonne and Kasha on April 24, 1918 is a song)
          First, one-on-one Biltz in the A7V and Mitchell in the Mk IV. Mitchell maneuvered, Biltz bluntly thrashed from a place, until the Englishman killed his gunner and injured five crew members. Only then did Biltz crawl out of the battle and stalled after a couple of kilometers.
          And at Kashi's two A7Vs, four of the seven "Whippets" were contradicted. The funny thing is that the British did not understand who was knocking them out, although the German tanks were only 300 meters behind the fog.
          1. Fat
            Fat 20 February 2021 16: 30
            +3
            Bro. You are not a good commentator.
            Have a story to tell - make an article for us
            True! It became terribly interesting and I'm already looking for - looking for info
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 16: 56
              +4
              No, let Shpakovsky write, since he saddled the topic)
              1. Fat
                Fat 20 February 2021 17: 18
                +5
                Shpakvsky is a pro. An experienced modeller and collector of oddities.
                You .. Well done!
                Highly your "pearls" I appreciate very much
                And you are hiding under the "Paragraph" And on all the pills.
                Is not it so?
                1. Astra wild2
                  Astra wild2 21 February 2021 13: 02
                  +2
                  Colleague Tolsty, Vyacheslav Olegovich is now "dumb" and I on his behalf say: "thank you"
                  Vyacheslav Olegovich, of course, is a kind of person, sometimes I regret that I cannot bite him, but I did not see him being rude or swearing, and therefore I do not understand what is his fault?
                  1. Fat
                    Fat 21 February 2021 13: 51
                    +1
                    Oh, Olegovich can sometimes speak so without rudeness so that it turns out to be in abundance.
                    1. Astra wild2
                      Astra wild2 21 February 2021 14: 00
                      +1
                      Viktor Nikolaevich demonstrates this
                      1. Fat
                        Fat 21 February 2021 14: 47
                        +1
                        So VN is not with the first nickname with us
      2. Proctologist
        Proctologist 21 February 2021 00: 15
        +1
        Are you kidding me ?!

        Yes, here is an article from 2017 by the same author and partially with the same illustrations even!
        https://topwar.ru/120323-frontovye-priklyucheniya-muzykalnoy-shkatulki.html

        On the contrary, I read the article (it is wonderful!) And could not get rid of the feeling that I didn’t just know something, but with the very same words the story was emerging ...
        1. Fat
          Fat 21 February 2021 13: 30
          +1
          Not funny even once.
          Shpakovsky has a recognizable manner of presenting information.
          He works not only for VO.
          I am grateful to the site that I can see his articles often enough.
          Something like this, Bro))))
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 20 February 2021 06: 11
    +6
    New weapons, new opportunities ... Those who are not ready to use them bear great losses ... a classic.
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 20 February 2021 06: 36
    -7
    In the place of the German soldiers, I would have stabbed at once, and would not have taken prisoner. In retaliation for the loss.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 February 2021 09: 20
      +1
      Eco, what a bloodthirsty you are!
      laughing
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 20 February 2021 10: 20
        0
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Eco, what a bloodthirsty you are!

        What? He killed dozens of my comrades! For that I would gladly have stuck a bayonet in his belly.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 10: 45
          +5
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          What? He killed dozens of my comrades!

          it is in his post-war memoirs that he struck dozens of boshes. However, in the homeland of the author of "Alice in Wonderland" they know how and love to write fairy tales, this is an indisputable fact.
          The Germans confirm the fact of the unexpected shelling of the gun servants from the rear, which led to a temporary halt by the battery of fire. Immediately after this, the "Whippet" was set on fire, and the crew was captured. The German gunners had no reason for the bloodthirsty rage, I suppose. The rest of the whippet's epic raid is heroic fiction. After the Great War, some of the venerable English writers complained that the bookstores were flooded with the mediocre pulp of memoirists, which publishers were happy to stamp - there was a demand for "memories".
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 20 February 2021 12: 19
            -2
            That is, it is normal for you when your friends are killed in hundreds? I would kill such an ENEMY on the spot!
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 12: 31
              +6
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              That is, it is normal for you when your friends are killed in hundreds?

              no, I do not consider war to be something "normal", if that's what you mean. According to Arnold himself, he mowed two companies of the Germans. He could have written about a couple of battalions too.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 20 February 2021 15: 05
              +5
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              That is, it is normal for you when your friends are killed in hundreds? I would kill such an ENEMY on the spot!

              An effective captured enemy will deliver you a lot of useful information that can save the lives of thousands of your comrades. Keeping the enemy in captivity should be more than worthy - leaning back, he will tell you that it is not scary to sit in a camp / prison with Russians / Yahuds / others, where he ended up, of course, only after a severe concussion / running out of ammunition, etc. lol
              Such information also greatly contributes to the surrender of young and inexperienced soldiers of the enemy / fighters for the freedom of Judea from Jews / militants of organizations banned in the Russian Federation, etc.
              Which, in turn, again saves a bunch of lives of your colleagues hi
        2. Mordred79
          Mordred79 20 February 2021 23: 47
          0
          It was for such feats that your brothers in mind were then hanged according to the results of the Nuremberg and Tokyo trials
  • Catfish
    Catfish 20 February 2021 06: 42
    +14
    "And again tanks, tanks in Paris ..." (c)
    Thank you Vyacheslav for the interesting story, these guys with their "Music Box" are really heroes, but the question for the Germans is, did they have hand grenades?
    But the name of the town of Villers-Bretonne somehow inspired another, very similar - Villers-Bocage, where in one battle Michael Wittmann's "Tiger" destroyed 13 tanks and 20 armored personnel carriers from the reconnaissance company of the British 7th Panzer Division.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 20 February 2021 09: 31
      +6
      Vitman arranged a "rainy day" for the 7th Panzer Division. Did Vitman know about the "music box"?
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 20 February 2021 09: 43
        +4
        He had good teachers, he probably knew, they studied the history of World War I tanks, and it would be strange if they did not do this.
        1. Fat
          Fat 21 February 2021 14: 01
          0
          Bro, he had a proven 88 mm and experience and the head worked, so it is not surprising that self-confident tourists sipped all 5 stars in full measure.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 10: 47
        +4
        Quote: vladcub
        Did Vitman know about the "music box"?

        if he knew, he laughed at the gentleman's fantasy.
        And what is in common between Wittmann's ambush tactics and this literaryism?
    2. Mister X
      Mister X 20 February 2021 11: 35
      +8
      Quote: Sea Cat
      And again tanks, tanks in Paris

      And hello again! hi
      I would like to add to the author's story.
      Tank Mk A "Caesar II" in the tank museum in Bovington. Also, in its own way, a hero tank, but still not as famous as the "Music Box"
      The author: Vyacheslav Shpakovsky


      British tank Whippet, named "Caesar II" # A 259.
      One of the 5 surviving tanks of this series.
      Exhibited at the Tank Museum (Bovington, Dorset, UK).
      On this vehicle, British tanker - Lieutenant Cecil Harold Sewell received the Victoria Cross (Britain's highest military award) for rescuing the crew of another Whippet tank.

      Born January 27, 1895 in London. He was educated at Dulwich College in 1910.
      Served with the Royal West Kent Regiment in the Mk A Whippet medium tank battalion.
      Killed in battle on August 29, 1918 in France (at age 23).

      On that day, Lieutenant Sewell, in his Mk A Whippet tank, fought as part of a unit.
      During the battle, he saw that one of the tanks fell into a crater, turned over and caught fire.
      The crew of the burning tank could not leave the car, as the crater slope prevented it.
      Then Lieutenant Sewell, under heavy machine gun fire, crossed the open area, dug under the door of the burning tank and released the crew.
      After releasing the crew, he saw that one of his own crew members was wounded and was lying near the tank.
      The lieutenant hurried to his aid.
      Lieutenant Sewell was mortally wounded while assisting.
      * There is a version that he was wounded several times, and the last one was fatal.
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 12: 16
      +4
      Quote: Sea Cat
      But the name of the town of Villers-Bretonne somehow inspired another, very similar

      Actually, Villers-Bretonne is a place the first ever tank battlethat happened on 24.04.1918
    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 20 February 2021 15: 07
      +4
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Villers-Bocage, where in one battle Michael Wittmann's Tiger destroyed 13 tanks and 20 armored personnel carriers from the reconnaissance company of the British 7th Panzer Division.

      The funny thing is that the Canadians banged Vitman with his Cat laughing
      Greetings, Constantine! hi
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 16: 54
        +4
        Quote: Krasnodar
        The funny thing is that the Canadians banged Vitman with his Cat

        What exactly is funny? And why Canadians? Like, Northamptonshire.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 20 February 2021 17: 44
          +3
          It's funny that after the meat grinder on the Eastern Front, it was the Canadians with minor combat experience who destroyed the tank ace. According to the memoirs of Kurt Meyer, they are.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 18: 04
            +4
            Quote: Krasnodar
            It's funny that after the meat grinder on the Eastern Front, it was the Canadians with minor combat experience who destroyed the tank ace.

            The tank ace, to whom everyone is tipping the laurels of a tactical genius, went straight into an ambush of the Shermans on the highway in Sinthier. Whoever killed him — the Sherbrooke Fusiliers or the Northamptonshire — had learned the lessons of ambush tactics well from the Panzerwaffe teachers.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 20 February 2021 18: 13
              +3
              Well, yes, his group of Tigers was the first. There were already survivors in the second group laughing
          2. Fat
            Fat 20 February 2021 18: 59
            +4
            Albert is trying to write to you in a personal note. Unsuccessfully. With respect.
            Has anything arrived? Interesting.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 20 February 2021 20: 00
              +2
              No, Andrey Borisovich
              Take my contacts from Anton
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 20 February 2021 20: 28
                +5
                Throw it off, once again the soap on WhatsApp, I will pass it on.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 20 February 2021 20: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  Throw it off, once again the soap on WhatsApp, I will pass it on.

                  Thank you, you have
                  1. Fat
                    Fat 20 February 2021 21: 06
                    +3
                    Scimitars whistle, And evil Ottomans
                    [lease and lease and lease cities ...
                    Steel wanted blood to drink
                    The steel wheezed - we go east
                    Shvh! And the body on a slippery board [

                    Max Pokrovsky, but there are doubts
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      2. Catfish
        Catfish 20 February 2021 22: 47
        +2
        Good evening, Albert! hi
        I heard another version that Vitman's "Tiger" was destroyed by a missile from the air, either from the Typhoon, or from the Thunderbolt, i.e. Yankees or British.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 20 February 2021 23: 40
          +2
          Good evening! hi
          I also read, but in the end
          It was believed that Wittmann's Tiger was destroyed by a missile launched from a Hawker Typhoon Mk.1B attack aircraft of the Royal Air Force. However, it was later revealed that the RAF did not fly to the area that day. In the West, the main version is the defeat of Wittmann's "Tiger" by the fire of British or Canadian tanks
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 20 February 2021 23: 53
            +2
            ... In the West, the main version is that Wittmann's Tiger was defeated by British or Canadian tanks.


            Oh ... something "men are summing up", it would be flattering for them if everything was exactly like that, that is. not "from around the corner and in the back," but sort of like on equal terms in a fair fight, got even for the observer near Villers-Bocage. Although, who knows how it really was. Historians lie on both sides.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 21 February 2021 00: 27
              +3
              There was not much biting there - they missed the German attack, lost equipment, half of which were without crews, while they managed to inflict quite serious losses on the Germans - 5 tigers (for the first time in the history of Wittmann's 101st tank battalion, including its damaged tank, such losses were in just a few hours), plus fours. The Nazis managed to occupy the city, but the next day it was bombed, two weeks later it was wiped out by hundreds of Royal Navy bombers, and after a month and a half the area (location n / a) was again taken by the commonwealth troops.
              According to the memoirs of Brigadenfuehrer of the 12th SS Panzer Division (youngsters) Kurt Meyer, to which the 101st battalion was attached, the Canadians slammed Vitman. From the memoirs of the participants in the battle:
              We drove along the highway, Michael with four other tanks in one lane, and I and Heinz von Westerhagen's brother in the other. After 800 meters on the right, a grove began, and it seemed suspicious to me. It was there that everything was decided. We did not have time for reconnaissance. After a couple of kilometers, I received a message from Michael, and it confirmed my worst fears. There was only: "strong anti-tank fire from the right" - and everything broke off. I got out to look and see: Michael's tanks stopped. He did not answer my call signs. Then we were hit by direct fire, the tank caught fire, and we had to get out. We ran with all legs. ”I was horrified to notice that in total we had lost five" Tigers ". Tank Michael's shell hit the turret. It was immediately clear that no one had survived.

              By the way, what's wrong with destroying a tank by aircraft? A couple of years ago, I boxed relatively decently, but with the task of destroying a person of Tyson's level, having an assault rifle, in war I would prefer to shoot him from 25 meters in the back. Even if my skill would have approached the ZMS-who, I am perfectly aware of the consequences of at least one missed hit from the heavyweight champion and I hardly began to indulge laughing
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 21 February 2021 00: 56
                +2
                Panzermeier, I have not read that before being stabbed in the back, I do not mind if it is good for the cause, but it looks more beautiful when the tankers themselves have recouped for the past embarrassment. And about Bocage and German losses ... so on hearing more about the success of Vitman, and he seems to have returned his wrecked "Tiger", and to fight tanks with complete air supremacy of enemy aircraft, this is the right way to the next world that allied aviation and proved that the Germans, basically, only crawled out of their holes at night.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 21 February 2021 13: 29
                  +1
                  So the German propaganda made Wittmann a super-race precisely after this battle - all sober-minded Germans began to understand that after numerous failures on the Eastern Front, the successful landing of the Anglo-Saxons would quickly finish them off. Therefore, the Reich press paid so much attention to this skirmish. During the Cold War, each side of the confrontation exposed the blunders of their yesterday's allies in accordance with the canons of ideological struggle. Many such episodes of successful German operations on the Eastern Front, which remained unknown to anyone, because were, in principle, a routine. In the Union, and in the world, they were not mentioned at all.
              2. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 21 February 2021 12: 32
                +1
                "Shoot him from 25 meters in the back," but is it closer?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 21 February 2021 13: 31
                  +2
                  The initial range of sighting of an assault rifle at shooting ranges in the IDF.
                2. Fat
                  Fat 21 February 2021 14: 26
                  +1
                  There is no reason to wait when, say, the heavyweight champion will smile at the average fighter, he is not for my autograph pad here, but for my sinful soul, well if the store is not discharged earlier.
                  Somehow. so, kamarade Astra
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 21 February 2021 14: 34
                    0
                    Anyway, only the world champion in freestyle wrestling and the world champion in long-distance running can get away alive from the wrath of a world boxing champion.
                    1. Fat
                      Fat 21 February 2021 14: 44
                      +1
                      Thanks for the addition, Albert, I was a CCM at the middle distance))) so maybe a hand-face is more an exception than a habit ....
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 February 2021 14: 53
                        +1
                        Whoa! Would have stayed alive too hi ))
                      2. Fat
                        Fat 21 February 2021 14: 57
                        +1
                        And I advise you. And then the wings & hands when the main thing is speed)))))
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 February 2021 15: 14
                        0
                        With a stainless steel implant in the spine and after a heart attack, I fight and run equally well laughing
                      4. Fat
                        Fat 21 February 2021 16: 46
                        +1
                        Sorry, Albert (((((
                        I also live not at all with what I received from my parents (((
                        I will only note that a steel crutch is always better than duralumin, it breaks, so that the classics do not tell us
                        Regards, Bro.
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 February 2021 16: 55
                        0
                        Come on, except for sparring with a prepared opponent and drinking, I'm okay))
                      6. Fat
                        Fat 21 February 2021 17: 10
                        +1
                        Father, take in your hand a children's rapier from selmag and a worker with a "Belgian * handle.,
                        Real people don't stick out of shit
                        Thank you back
  • Hwostatij
    Hwostatij 20 February 2021 07: 20
    +9
    It's good when there is a cheat for endless ammo
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 20 February 2021 08: 01
      +8
      Yes, I also thought about it, although this model of "Hotchkiss" has a combat rate of fire of 500 rounds / min., But still, the cartridges should have run out sometime, nevertheless ten hours of continuous and intense combat.
    2. AUL
      AUL 20 February 2021 08: 35
      +9
      Quote: Hwostatij
      It's good when there is a cheat for endless ammo

      And gasoline for 10 hours of work.
  • ohka
    ohka 20 February 2021 08: 17
    +4
    In Russian there is an expression "coffin with music" ... wink
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 February 2021 09: 22
      +5
      In the historiography of armored vehicles, the definition of "coffins" was assigned to Italian tanks from the Second World War!
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 20 February 2021 13: 42
        +4
        Do you know how the Germans joked during WWII?
        What is the difference between German and Italian tanks?
        In German, there are four gears forward and one back, and in Italian - the opposite!)) laughing
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 February 2021 16: 14
          +4
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Do you know how the Germans joked during WWII?
          What is the difference between German and Italian tanks?
          In German, there are four gears forward and one back, and in Italian - the opposite!)) laughing

          Well, Arieti fought well in Africa under the leadership of Rommel.
          The truth here, too, must be able to. The first plane shot down by Italian anti-aircraft gunners in the African company belonged to their chief !!! love
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 20 February 2021 16: 17
            +4
            Of course, the main thing is not iron, but "content")))
  • mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 20 February 2021 08: 42
    +5
    Well, just a terminator, 60 shot from a machine gun, somehow a bit too much.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 11: 54
      +4
      Quote: mr.ZinGer
      Well, just a terminator, 60 shot from a machine gun, somehow a bit too much.

      in fact, upon his return from captivity, Arnold said that he had shot about 200 German soldiers)
      To lie so to lie, why really ...
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 20 February 2021 21: 34
        0
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        To lie so to lie, why really ...

        "Why pity the basurman? Write more!" (from) laughing
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 09: 49
    +11
    as Arnold later recalled:

    "Everyone who could get to me tried to hit me."


    German officer Ritter Ernst von Maravitz saved the brave British lieutenant and his rifleman from the lynching of the angry Zoldates. For which the grateful Englishman presented that watch, which, in turn, received from his father for his 21st DR. Maravitz and Arnold did not lose their contacts even long after the war. Here is a photo of them from 1930:
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 20 February 2021 11: 20
      +11
      Maravitz and Arnold did not lose their contacts even long after the war. Here is a photo of them from 1930:

      An unusual (and tragic) incident occurred in the Zinoviev family - the owners of the Grevov estate in Koporye. The son of the owner of the estate, Alexander Zinoviev, went to the Russian-Japanese war, and died there.
      Fulfilling the task, the centurion Zinoviev, having already sent an important report to the headquarters, on May 10 was in the rear of the Japanese troops at the foot of a high wooded hill. He climbed to the top of the hill, hoping to spy out the movements of the Japanese units from there. But he was noticed by the Japanese, who surrounded the hill and wanted to take it prisoner. Not wanting to surrender, he began to shoot back from a revolver, but was wounded in the leg. Rising up, at a distance of 20 meters, he seriously wounded the nearest Japanese soldier. He, despite being wounded, began to shoot and hit Zinoviev in the heart.
      After the war, the father looked for his son's grave, and through various channels (including diplomatic) he was interested in the last minutes of his life. We received a map of the place of death through the British embassy. And suddenly ... an unexpected letter came from Japan! It was the soldier Sataro who wrote - the one who was wounded by Zinoviev and who killed him. The incident so stunned the Japanese that he turned to the priest of the Orthodox Church. He obtained the contacts of Zinoviev-father. Correspondence ensued. Despite all the revolutions, wars and other social upheavals, correspondence with Zinoviev's descendants continued almost until the 50s. Sataro himself ordered services for the murdered in the Orthodox church every year. hi
    2. Couchexpert
      Couchexpert 20 February 2021 15: 07
      +2
      Reminded:
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 20 February 2021 15: 12
      +6
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

      the grateful Englishman presented him with a watch, which, in turn, he received from his father for his 21st DR. Maravitz and Arnold did not lose their contacts even long after the war. Here is a photo of them from 1930:

      Butch's clock laughing
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 20 February 2021 15: 50
        +9
        Butch's clock

        - Are you okay?
        - No, man. I'm not okay at all.
        - What next?
        - What's next? I'll tell you now. I'm going to call a couple of cool freaky niggas with blowtorch and tongs to take care of these clowns.


        Sorry, I cut out some words for censorship reasons! drinks and so you're right - it reminded me too! laughing
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 20 February 2021 16: 18
          +6
          - Whose motorcycle is this?
          - This is not a motorcycle, this is a beast
          - Whose animal?
          - Zeta
          - And where is Zet
          - And Zeta is no more
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 20 February 2021 18: 20
            +7
            - And Zeta is no more

            And all because of one lady who forgot her watch!
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 20 February 2021 19: 55
              +4
              She is an intellectual
              More intelligent than Mia
              By the end laughing
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 20 February 2021 20: 16
                +6
                By the end

                The most intellectual out there is Samuel L. Jackson, of course. laughing
                Pretty boy! drinks

                But, excuse me, the picture is a little not tolerant: wink
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 20 February 2021 20: 42
                  +5
                  The most intellectual out there: Mr. Wolfe, a problem-solving specialist.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 20 February 2021 20: 49
                    +5
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    The most intellectual out there: Mr. Wolfe, a problem-solving specialist.

                    Is it written on my garage "Dead African American Warehouse"? laughing
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 20 February 2021 21: 03
                      +6
                      No, this phrase is uttered by the character of Tarantino.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 20 February 2021 21: 18
                        +4
                        Quite right. Who called Wolf laughing
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 21 February 2021 01: 04
                        +5
                        Quite right. Who called Wolf

                        Wolf was stupidly giving specific instructions to shabby gangsters! good from the side you know better! drinks
                  2. Astra wild2
                    Astra wild2 21 February 2021 12: 22
                    +3
                    Good day. Here you can draw and write whatever you want, the blacks are far away, and in the USA your garage and house were burned down, and you were forced to repent
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 21 February 2021 12: 44
                      +2
                      Well yes. Butch almost repented to Marcelas. Those. preconditions arose already then hi
                    2. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 21 February 2021 16: 25
                      +5
                      Good day. Here you can draw and write whatever you want, the blacks are far away, and in the USA your garage and house were burned down, and you were forced to repent

                      Vera, in that case, I would call Albert-Krasnodar, and he would find me a local gang of Jewish gay outlaws through tenths of a hand. Invading my privacy in Nigeria, we have not only stopped, but also "punished by Zedd method". laughing drinks
                      During the riots over the drug addict Floyd, there was a case when the Arabs - the owners of the shop came to him with weapons in their hands, and did not allow him to be robbed and burned. The niggas were very indignant about this. Like, "how is it, we are not allowed to do our favorite entertainment"? belay
                    3. Astra wild2
                      Astra wild2 21 February 2021 20: 50
                      +2
                      How evil you are. However, I myself think that blacks rage where they do not give back. There was a report that the former inhabitants of a town with rifles took up positions on the rooftops and crossroads. The negroes jokingly passed through the city and further, and they planned to arrange a rally which smoothly turns into street riots
                    4. Phil77
                      Phil77 21 February 2021 21: 00
                      +3
                      They are friendly, humorous, intelligent. But it’s interesting with us, no? fellow
                    5. Astra wild2
                      Astra wild2 21 February 2021 21: 04
                      +1
                      Am I against what I said?
                    6. Phil77
                      Phil77 21 February 2021 21: 08
                      +3
                      * How evil you are. * No.
                    7. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 22 February 2021 14: 47
                      +1
                      Am I against what I said?

                      And here we are with Phil you - just love! wink And you sinister us ... But with us it is good and fun! love
        2. Korsar4
          Korsar4 22 February 2021 08: 46
          +2
          Favorite episode.
    4. Catfish
      Catfish 21 February 2021 14: 42
      +3
      More intelligent than Mia


      And she doesn't need it.


      laughing

      Although both have a decent bust.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 21 February 2021 14: 50
        +3
        Thurman is not my type - I like girls with regular facial features up to 1,64)).
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 21 February 2021 14: 58
          +3
          Yes, "pocket girls" do any guy in a winning way. You don't care about your height, but they adore men much larger than them.
          Like this French "meter with cap".

          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 21 February 2021 15: 15
            +2
            Now closer to the topic. Also comfortable wink
          2. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 21 February 2021 21: 02
            +2
            Konstantin, I don't know about you, but I liked the first photo: a good face
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 21 February 2021 21: 04
              +2
              This is the same woman - the actress Pascal Petit, a movie star of the 50-60s. And I like it too.))
            2. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 21 February 2021 21: 12
              +2
              Imagine, but I discerned that this is the same woman. Just in the top picture, she has a good face
            3. Phil77
              Phil77 21 February 2021 21: 15
              +2
              And on the bottom, it's already bad. laughing laughing laughing
            4. Catfish
              Catfish 21 February 2021 21: 33
              +1
              But everything else is very good for her, so the pain during her growth.
            5. Phil77
              Phil77 21 February 2021 21: 36
              +2
              Yes, I liked this Pascal in both pictures. I can see it * humor * .... unsuccessful. repeat
            6. Catfish
              Catfish 21 February 2021 21: 56
              +2
              Then hold the third one. smile
            7. Phil77
              Phil77 22 February 2021 09: 30
              +2
              Wow !!! Good !!! Well !!! Just alone - !!!!!!!
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 19: 15
    +4
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    I'll tell you now. I'm going to call a couple of cool freaky niggas with blowtorch and tongs to take care of these clowns.

    I liked this movie then! I think it will be worth seeing again soon!
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 20 February 2021 19: 55
      +6
      I think it's worth seeing again soon!

      And I ... the Negro ... sorry .... crying Interestingly, in America, this film has not yet been banned due to the intolerant attitude towards Marcellus? laughing the only raped character in the film is a negro! lol But how he played!drinks
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 20 February 2021 20: 54
        +2
        Quote: Pan Kohanku
        I think it's worth seeing again soon!

        And I ... the Negro ... sorry .... crying Interestingly, in America, this film has not yet been banned due to the intolerant attitude towards Marcellus? laughing the only raped character in the film is a negro! lol But how he played!drinks

        Well, yes, then his wife almost did Tarantino,
        Then he was loved by two perverts
        And slandered after all
        Allegedly, he threw a friend out of the window just for that
        That he massaged the heel of Umma Thurman
        Size 41, by the way
        I would not massage Umma Thurman's foot for money
        Although for the money that Umma Thurman has ... what
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 21 February 2021 01: 02
          +2
          Although for the money that Umma Thurman has ...

          "Capitalism will go to any crime any caresses for 300% of the profit! " (bearded KarlaMarx) laughing drinks I dont venture to guess what you and I would do for her money ... laughing
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 21 February 2021 12: 44
            +2
            I would kill Bill
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 21 February 2021 14: 44
          +2
          I would not massage Umma Thurman's foot for money


          Something reminded me: "I wouldn't put a finger in his mouth" (c) smile drinks
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 21 February 2021 14: 51
            +3
            In-in, quite right laughing drinks
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 21 February 2021 12: 25
    +1
    Nikolay, what is this film?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 February 2021 12: 52
      +3
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Nikolay, what is this film?

      Let me answer for Nikolai:
      Shattering the entire deceitful essence of the American Government Drama by progressive director Tarantino.
      It's called the Criminal Chtiao.
      Immediately after watching the film, I recommend watching the film "From Dusk Till Dawn" by the Latin American director Rodriguez (and Tarantino), showing the struggle of the oppressed people of Mexico against American imperialism.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 21 February 2021 13: 51
        +4
        Probably among blacks he is not considered the most progressive
        Thank you for saying what kind of films they are. I prefer to watch for fun, to disconnect from problems. Besides, I'm not happy with how black people are rowdy, I am probably a racist?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 21 February 2021 14: 01
          +3
          Yes, let them row. This is the fault of those who allow them to row, not the blacks themselves.
          For distracting viewing and relaxation, I advise you to watch both films.
          The first is comedy, the second is horror.
          Made with humor, looks in one go good
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 21 February 2021 21: 14
            +1
            I don't like horror stories
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 21 February 2021 21: 27
              0
              There's more comedy than horror))
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 21 February 2021 15: 02
          +4
          Of course a racist. You deny the right of protest to the oppressed people of the USA. Where are your * left * beliefs? Where are internationalism and tolerance? You were in the Komsomol? And in general- * Freedom to Angela Davis! *. laughing
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 21 February 2021 15: 16
            +4
            "We are people too, we also love, even though our skin is black" (c) fellow drinks
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 21 February 2021 15: 30
              +3
              * Chunga-changa has fun
              Chunga-changa sings a song ... *

              Probably banned in the States? laughing
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 21 February 2021 15: 52
                +5
                No, but to Catholics, in all seriousness, the Pope generally advised showing children exclusively Soviet cartoons)).
          2. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 21 February 2021 21: 22
            +1
            The Komsomol wanted to join when I was 10, and then the Komsomol collapsed. I saw the portrait of Angela Davis, my grandmother had old newspapers, to be honest, I don't know her biography.: Why there was boron cheese, but I met information that she was disillusioned with the left movement and left politics
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 21 February 2021 21: 32
              +2
              Well ... wanting and being able, these are two different things. You would not be accepted there at 10 years old. I * decorated * the ranks of the Komsomol. Let me ... at 14? It seems. And the name of Angela at one time thundered over the vast expanses The USSR, rallies, meetings, angry condemnation of the reactionary decisions of the US authorities. Like, let's not forget, we will not forgive. Now she is a philosopher.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 22 February 2021 08: 51
                +3
                "The Soviets decorated them with" Crosses "" (c).
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 22 February 2021 09: 34
                  +1
                  No, not at all. I will not say that I was ideological. But ... I thought so, maybe it will come in handy someday? Nope. It didn’t come in handy at all, I only paid membership fees, but I wore a badge on my school uniform. Sometimes ... stop
                2. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 22 February 2021 09: 49
                  +2
                  Already caught the agony of the organization.
                  And there was a time: when not yet a pioneer, and did not enter anywhere.
                  There was nothing to shame.
                3. Phil77
                  Phil77 22 February 2021 13: 41
                  +2
                  In general, Sergei, these were just the rules of the game / peculiar /, if ... if not to take into account the ideological ones. There were such. And there are. And there will be.
                  * both now and ever, and forever and ever. Amen. * bully
                4. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 22 February 2021 16: 00
                  0
                  Probably, epochs when the rules changed are interesting from afar.
      2. Siberian54
        Siberian54 27 March 2021 07: 41
        0
        There, the "black panthers" frolicked, went for patrols (at that time not tolerant white and sexist), so they got tired of accepting them, it came to shootings and the black panthers were cleaned out ..
  • Catfish
    Catfish 21 February 2021 15: 11
    +2
    Besides, I'm not happy with how black people are rowdy


    How, and not only blacks! bully


    The main characters defend the honor and dignity of their black comrade.
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 21 February 2021 21: 24
      +1
      And this is noble
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 February 2021 21: 32
        -1
        Yeah, I also liked these true fighters for fairness and purity of relations.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 21 February 2021 15: 06
    +3
    Immediately after watching the film, I recommend watching the film "From Dusk Till Dawn" by the Latin American director Rodriguez (and Tarantino), showing the struggle of the oppressed people of Mexico against American imperialism.

    Albert, this is zvizdets, I would not have been able to think of such a license even after a liter. good laughing drinks wassat
    The height of the struggle:
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 February 2021 15: 18
      +2
      Salma Hayek drinks By the way, Rodriguez's wife, aka Elota Wajaina from the movie with Myers laughing
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 February 2021 15: 22
        +2
        What movie?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 21 February 2021 15: 49
          +3
          Austin Powers))
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 21 February 2021 15: 19
      +3
      What? Albert is right, Bondarchuk's * Red Bells * would have been a little more!
  • Catfish
    Catfish 21 February 2021 14: 17
    +2
    Epitaph, good afternoon. hi
    What is the form on the fritz? It looks very much like the Protectorate uniform, but it appeared after the occupation of Czechoslovakia, and in the 30th year the Nazis did not have such a uniform and could not have.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 15: 19
      +3
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Epitaph, good afternoon.

      Salute, Kostya.
      Quote: Sea Cat
      What is the form on the fritz? It looks very much like the Protectorate uniform, but it appeared after the occupation of Czechoslovakia, and in the 30th year the Nazis did not have such a uniform and could not have.

      Elementary, Kostya is a Fritz in RAD Arbeitsfuehrer uniform. This is the uniform of the Reichsarbeitsdienst, the Imperial Labor Service (abbreviated RAD)
      On the cap - "robingood" - the emblem of the organization. hi
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 February 2021 15: 43
        +2
        I see. Thanks. hi It's just that I somehow came across a photo of Heydrich in a similar cap, he had nothing to do with RAD at all. Although, when he flew to shoot down the British, he dragged the Luftwaffe uniform.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 15: 54
          0
          Quote: Sea Cat
          I just came across a photo of Heydrich in a similar cap.

          I did not see Heydrich in the "robingood". In Bergmütz - yes, I did.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 February 2021 15: 57
            +1
            I just rummaged. but I could not find it, but I saw it for sure.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 09: 56
    +14
    Of course, the heroic pulp about the devastating raid of the gallant British lieutenant, set forth in his cheating memoirs, can cause nothing but skepticism. I was especially pleased with the shot down balloon. Why not an airplane is not clear. Decided it would be too much?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 10: 53
      +6
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Why not an airplane is not clear

      And so that he does not fly away too quickly, you scum! That's why a tethered balloon!
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 10: 56
        +5
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        And so that he does not fly away too quickly, you scum! That's why a tethered balloon!

        Hmm ... Then zeppelin should be - everything is more impressive. Although - 1918 ... what zeppelins. Well, something slow and low flying. Let's say "gotu".
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 10: 09
    +7
    Another Amiens episode with the Whippet:

    Cecil Sewell's Whippet crew came to the aid of the Mark IV crew, which had fallen into the crater. Under heavy gunfire from the Germans, Sewel dug out the door and the diamond crew was able to get out. The lieutenant was wounded several times, the last wound was fatal. Of the five Sewell brothers who left for the Great War, three did not return, including Cecil.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 20 February 2021 10: 26
      +1
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Of the five Sewell brothers who left for the Great War, three did not return, including Cecil.

      I would not shed tears for them. Are you aware that the general conscription in Britain did not begin until May 1916?
      For various reasons, in the early stages of the war, many people decided to volunteer in the ranks of the armed forces of the empire, so, on September 5, 1914, their number exceeded 225. As the fighting progressed, recruitment figures were influenced by many factors, such as the parliamentary recruitment committee that distributed campaign posters; reduced employment opportunities; and even a desire by some to avoid daily routines. Particularly popular were the so-called "friend battalions", recruited from residents of one region (for example, a battalion of the Glasgow tram corporation). Scotland and Wales were most active in recruiting offices, while recurrent political tensions in Ireland and Wales had a detrimental effect on recruitment rates.

      The recruitment process for recruits and reservists was fairly stable in 1914 and early 1915, but declined sharply in subsequent years, especially after the Somme campaign, which killed 500 people. In this regard, in January 000, a general conscription was announced, to which single men were subject, and from May in general all men from 1916 to 18 years old. The Law on Military Service, as amended in January and June 41, defined this age group and category of the population as subject to compulsory conscription.

      Prior to that, for TWO years, only volunteers fought in the British army.
      Here is a British poster from those years calling on the men of the colonies to be recruited into the army:
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 February 2021 10: 35
        +2
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        I would not shed tears for them.

        Silly remark. Do not pour, business
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        Are you aware that the general conscription in Britain did not begin until May 1916?
        Prior to that, for TWO years, only volunteers fought in the British army.

        Well? What exactly did they want to say?
        1. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya 20 February 2021 21: 39
          0
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Well? What exactly did they want to say?

          Specifically, I wanted to say that they were most likely simply mercenaries who had recruited to kill people for money. In fact, they were no different from the SS, since the SS troops were also formed from volunteers, and not by conscription like the Wehrmacht. Therefore, by the way, the SS was recognized as a criminal organization, and mercenaries around the world are not taken prisoner. Or they take and shoot after interrogation.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 February 2021 11: 22
            -1
            Quote: Kot_Kuzya
            Specifically, I wanted to say that they were most likely simply mercenaries who had recruited to kill people for money. In fact, they were no different from the SS.

            Enchanting. I am always sincerely pleased with the mental diversity of VO commentators.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 21 February 2021 15: 56
              +1
              Enchanting.


              This comrade is always unambiguous. request
            2. Kot_Kuzya
              Kot_Kuzya 21 February 2021 19: 09
              -2
              So you deny that Britain fought only with the help of mercenaries for two years? In fact, these were land pirates, privateers, recruited for salaries and booty.
      2. Fat
        Fat 20 February 2021 11: 50
        +6
        How familiar!
        Brave men nied for crisis management
        The game "devoid of honor" (Disonored)
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 20 February 2021 11: 40
    +7
    Thanks to the Whippet, the British were very interested in the development of medium tanks! Mark B and Mark C "Hornet" appeared after Mark A ... The last 2 types managed to produce a certain amount before the end of WW1 ... But, for some reason, the British, having made a "step forward" with "Whippet", hastened to make "step back" with "marks" B and C, producing them in a "diamond" shape, like Mark IV, but in a smaller size! Mark V is also interesting because: 1. that originally the British War Office intended to adopt it in service as a modification of the "Whippet"; but "changed their minds" (apparently the developers of "type B" ... Major [Wilson?]> ... and the developers of "type A" Tritton were indignant ...) 2. Mark B tanks were in service with the British Expeditionary Force in Russia and were transferred to the White Army ... 1-2 tanks of this type were in the tank units of the Red Army until the beginning of the 30s under the name "tank with a Crossley engine", although the tanks were equipped with "Ricardo" engines, if my memory serves me!

    Mark B
  • vladcub
    vladcub 20 February 2021 14: 43
    +6
    Q Oh, thanks for the story. I wish you an early exit from the "quarantine". I am sure that you carefully collected the material, but still, did you think that Arnold is from the "Munchausen clan"? Perhaps the higher command did not double-check his story?
  • yehat2
    yehat2 20 February 2021 16: 20
    +5
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    Although at the same time Valentine is handsome!

    Valentine is a weak tank because of the tower and the chosen weaponry. It was better than the T70 and was well armored, this was its main advantage. but as a tank, it was still inferior to both the T4 and T34 with the nut of the late '42. But the crusaders and some other cruising cars dragged the war in Africa until the Shermans gave a lift.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 February 2021 19: 17
      +4
      According to the memoirs, the Germans noticed the British tanks only once, when they received a blow in the rear with an armored fist from 50 Matildas during the siege of Tobruk.
      The rest of the sophisticated British genius did not go further than frontal attacks by scattered tank brigades. The next study was the appearance of the American tank industry. First Grands and Lee, then the Shermans.
      Considering what Romel fought, it's amazing how he was not slammed in the first year of the war.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 20 February 2021 20: 45
        +1
        Well, if I say so - even 5 Churchill7 were able to knock out one famous tiger standing in Bovington, only intensively firing at it and only jamming the tower, so the Germans generally held the Britons for the boys to fight. Nevertheless, cruiser tanks, despite their weaknesses, turned out to be successful and useful vehicles.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 February 2021 07: 12
          +2
          Quote: yehat2
          Nevertheless, cruiser tanks, despite their weaknesses, turned out to be successful and useful vehicles.

          Helpful in what? I strained my memory and recalled only two unsuccessful attempts to bypass the flanks of the Germans in the African company. To call it a triumph of the British concept of a cruiser tank, one cannot deny it. In nine cases out of ten, the British threw their tanks head-on at the anti-tank and anti-aircraft guns of the Desert Fox.
          Someone from the Kamrads was already joking - the British fleet won a victory over General Romel!
      2. Fat
        Fat 21 February 2021 00: 13
        +2
        So this ... From here and Desert Fox there
        first variations 4 - tested
        The comrades went over to chonit against in Ty9. And toya
        I'm just bastard from my own words